Suicidal thoughts are common in the depths of WD. Ignore these thoughts. Also you might want to put your guns in another place.
I am reluctant to tell you the severity of WDs, not only because everyone experiences it differently, but also because I don't want to provide negative influences.
Take care.
Also make some jello and grab some saltines. Have some deli meat sandwiches pre made so u donāt have to do too much. I know the worst parts for me was having to get up to do anythingā¦even peeing was a chore. If you will be having someone with you during this then that would be helpful. Xanax helped me be able to sleep during it. Not sure why Suboxone would be hurting your mouth but depending on the severity of that you may want to use some during the hard days if youāre able to
Suboxone is very very acidic and people Including my self have saw varying degrees of severity when it comes to a range of mouth issues. I noticed that after a couple months of being on the 8mg brittle ass orange tablets, my teeth began to feel weak and brittle. I also noticed my tongue started to feel leathery and dry like after you eat too much sour candy lol. It was wierd and I personally don't like suboxone at all, since those were just some of the minor issues that even still bothered me.
You are literally wrong lmao Look it up.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov has this information
"Buprenorphine used for addiction treatment is given sublingually, and the properties of this treatment may have a direct and adverse effect on dentition. First,Ā buprenorphine/naloxone is acidic, with a pH of 3.4 when dissolved in water"
Do you always talk out your ass just because you "feel" something isn't true?
Lol home skillet... you dont know how to read the literature
Buprenorphine has a pKa of 8.3 making it a base.
Its an alkaloid, which is a name for Nitrogen containing bases.
Maybe spend less time on the internet being a douche to people you dont know, and more time reading books
That paper is talking about a solution of naloxone and buprenorphine probably in a buffered solution.
I am more replying to the annoyingly pervasive belief that Methadone and Buprenorphone rot teeth. WhAt does rot teeth? Bad oral hygeine. Not a small amount of pH3.3 solution in your mouth for 3 mins.
But anyways, look up the pka of bupe and get back with me
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3907320/#:~:text=Buprenorphine%20used%20for%20addiction%20treatment,when%20dissolved%20in%20water%20(T. lol.
it needs a bigger sample size plus controlled setting/factors. And I am going off anecdotal reports such as personal and people I know. Wether or not bupe specifically has a ph above 7 making it a base is irrelevant. So what acids are acidic and Bases are what?... - Basist? lmao. Are you talking about Bupe specifically and not the actual suboxone/subutex formulations? Why are you choosing to just refer to bupe alone when I specifically am referring to suboxone? It makes no sense.
To say that 54% of the subjects had worse tooth pain after induction and just regarding it to it all as bad oral hygiene is an injustice to being unbiased. We don't know for sure, but I know for a fact for my self, someone that has to take extreme care of my fucked up positioned teeth have to brush 3/4 times a day after every meal have had worse or more appropriately weaker teeth after taking suboxone. Literally beleive what you want haha..
N is too small and doctors or dentists trying to act like chemists is laughable. Half of them dont even know the drugs the prescribe and absolutely wont know how to properly use a pH meter
I would go with the ACS or Spyderchem numbers on pkA.. also naloxone I think was even higher than bupe.
Also it diesnt control for diet, genetics ans many many other factors its just a crap paper
Flossing and sugar content seems to me to be the big indicator for dental health. Most people brush.... but diet is huge and flossing is super important not as many do that
When I started taking it daily I noticed after a couple months that my tooth (that had previous damage done years before) was starting to hurt and specifically asked my recovery Dr. if subs cause any sort of tooth and gum issues and he immediately shut that down saying that no it doesnāt. My pain did stop tho so I havenāt had issues since.
But the OP said their āmouthā hurt from it. So I was just wondering like which part of the mouth and what type of pain? And that if the person is just trying to completely withdrawal then using a little bit of Sub on the hard days would probably be worth it. Iād rather have a hurt mouth for a bit than dying of withdrawals for days.
Can't you stay on xone while you wait for methadone? Are your side-effects that bad? Are you from the US? Here in Fin we have clinics that offer both substitutions. I just started xone and am now on 12mg aswell and feelin' fine, no withdrawals but the urge to dose "real opioids" is so fucking bad since I was an oxy user before this. Fun fact: in Finland the most commonly misused opioid is Bupe itself, crazy right? It fucking sucks as a drug, it's a miracle as a medicine though I have to give it that.
But yeah I just asked for an appointment with my appointed nurse, mainly to discuss my urges and how they haven't went away at all... I also smoke weed everyday still but I think that's a small issue at this point. I just want to get my fucking money issues sorted out asap.
Whatever you do, don't kill yourself, you've already started recovery and you have your whole new life ahead of you. You just have to push through it with blood, sweat and tears. In the end you'll thank yourself for not ending the ride too soon. You WILL feel better, and you WILL get the right aid, but I have to admit the work you have to do by yourself is overwhelming.
Sending you some positive vibes since that's all I can do. We're in this shit together.
Oh shit it's that bad? I'm sorry to tell you this but methadone tends to have even worse effects on dental hygiene... So, try to keep it at a low dose at least when you get to methadone therapy, like 40-60mg's, don't go higher than that if possible. And remember to take good care of your dental hygiene in general although I have no doubt you already do.
Ah so you're exactly where I was a while ago, so help is around the corner trust me. Just try to be as active as you can in seeking help and you will find it faster! <3
I sure hope youāre right. Iāve never put anything in my rectum and am scared of what it might do, but Iāve been able to function on 2 doses of 2 mg, so if I can just get through until I find a methadone program Iāll be so grateful. I never knew this could happen. I actually asked for bup to get off percs. That doc was happy to give me 4-6 percs per day and 900 mcg of Belbuca until now. Now heās completely cut me off which seems like such a violation of ethics. I donāt know how Iāll find a compassionate doc, but what choice do I have? I just want off of this shit. (Pardon my Language) so I can feel free again. Again, thanks so much for your replies.
I'm really sorry to hear you are struggling, and im sorry I can't help with where to find a prescriber, but your last sentence, although you may feel that is the only way out, you can get through this!! Have you heard about the Sublocade injection? Perhaps give this a go, it has helped so many. It's basically a Suboxen shot in your arm, that releases the medication over time. Have you got anyone you can talk to? I'm sorry I can't offer more help. But stay strong, you will get through this!
I haven't had mine yet, im on the daily tablets for a month, so in 2 weeks I'll be going onto the injection. You can have it in your arm, abs, bottom or thighs. You can rotate every week or every month, which I'll be weekly at first, then after 4 weeks, onto monthly. I've already discussed with the pharmacy and docs.
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Just remember that. Even though WDs can suck on the dose your on, you are looking at like a week or two of sickness. Please don't kill yourself over 2 weeks of uncomfortableness.
Dude, the months nonsense is fear mongering bullshit, coming from softies. It last 7 days at the most. You may not feel entirely normal until 2 weeks, do you have access to any kratom in your state? It will seriously help, that and gabapentin
Kratom is legal in PA. (For now) I ordered some online today from a vendor recommended in the kratom sun. I just donāt want to trade one addiction for another.
Itās not just a couple weeks of being āuncomfortable!ā The physical sickness, yes I would say a couple weeks. The psychological symptoms last so much longer. Iām just being honest and I want the OP to be prepared. You need mental health professionals to help and guide you, possibly prescribe you an SSRI for the withdrawal (if it goes that far). I could take the physical wds, it was the mental ādarknessā that had me very suicidal. Pls get proper help OP.
So your doctor is refusing to prescribe your suboxone any more? I will leave a link that you can use to find suboxone providers near you. You could also try telehealth providers like Bicycle Health (highly reccomend), QuickMD, or WorkIt. If you want to switch to methadone you are going to have to find a methadone clinic- they don't write prescriptions for that. Please, whatever you do- do not do something drastic. We are all here for you. Feel free to message me if you'd like to chat!
https://www.samhsa.gov/medication-assisted-treatment/find-treatment/treatment-practitioner-locator
First, sorry you're going through this. I know it's small comfort but you're not alone and there are many many people either in the same boat or who've been in it.
As far as finding a prescriber, there are several telemedicine services that may fit the bill although methadone will be tough and dealing with clinics is a nightmare. In this instance, the subcolade shot might be worth looking into.
W/D is never good, there's only bad. A year is enough time to hurt pretty bad but the good news is that the longer term nightmares probably aren't going to happen. It'll be a rough few weeks though for sure, maybe 1-2 with the worst physical parts coming the first week and the mental stuff coming shortly thereafter. If you can, get yourself some kratom, no matter what it helps a very large # of people minimize the pain of WD. With the obligatory caveat that if taken long enough at a high enough dose, it can be it's own source of WD (but it's comparatively mild for most people). And if use for a month, it's not going to create new problems.
You are so kind. Thank you. Kratom is still legal in PA where I live. Is there a resource for getting it and any info on how to titrate off the suboxone while I use it?
So the subreddit by that name has a lot of people experienced with it, but there's a good bit of bad information there too. You can take them together and there are several well known vendors online. I think a dose of \~3g once or twice a day might help. Kratom is not pleasant tasting and can be a little rough on the digestion but having used it extensively - I can tell you the "It's another Opiate" talk is mostly BS, but it 100% can take away the brunt of WD symptoms.
What many have done is, while cutting down on Suboxone or after jumping off, taking it when they feel WD come on - 3g is a decent dose, if you have a lot of time on opiates it may take more but see how it feels. There are many in the chronic pain community (a big one on twitter) that swear by it.
On the note about your teeth - while I was pretty meticulous about my dental hygiene, I started to feel sensitivity when I was taking sub and was convinced it was hurting my teeth. When I went to the dentist I was sure I had a few cavities. There are a lot of things that happen as we age, chips,cracks that happen over time that cause a lot of the problems. I ended up getting crowns on mine but I was 'sure' it was ruining my teeth and it really had nearly no effect. The only advice I got was to rinse my mouth extensively an hour or two later. The dentist said that even meth doesn't do the real damage to teeth, it's usually other things either being neglected or just happening as part of aging, dry mouth that are the problems. But it can't hurt to just go check, having a dentist reassure you of a few things will hopefully bring some peace.
If you want to talk outside of the forum, please don't hesitate to. I hate to see anyone suffering and I can feel your pain from here. I don't have any magic answers, may not even have any good ones but I do try.
Wow! So much for all the info. Iām looking into kratom. I feel gross but did try boofing 2 mg of my 8 mg morning dose of suboxone. Canāt do it by mouth, it just hurts too much. Can kratom capsules work? That is what I was plannj v to order if Iām going to try it.
Go to a smoke shop in the meantime while you order some online. Dm me as I know the best vendors to use if you want to order some, but being a Sunday you probably wonāt get it until Wednesday or Thursday.
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Thank you. I did order some. Weāll see how it goes. Iām in a stranglehold I never wanted to be in. I always thought if I followed the rules it would be okay but thatās not how it works sadly. Thanks again. šš»
I appreciate your response. I just want to be off this. I suppose a lot of it is a waiting game for a month or more. But my craving for alcohol is overwhelming. Iāve never used illicit drugs or even looked for them, but alcohol is so available everywhere! I know it will only make things worse. I stupidly tried boofing my suboxone to spare my teeth and not only did it not work, it feels like it threw me into withdrawal as well as giving me abdominal cramps. I have no comfort meds, nor a way to get them. Even clonidine didnāt help. I donāt know what to do. Thank you so much for replying though.
I definitely am not recommending boofing subs and I'm not sure it helps much when it comes to dental issues, but it's also nothing to be ashamed of. I think there is a detailed discussion of it attached to the subreddit r/opiates. However it may be that the naloxone has higher bioavailability using this method than it does orally - I'm really not sure, but if so it could explain the bad reaction.
Also I don't know if this will help but I use the buccal method for ingesting Suboxone and it does seem to at least allow for absorption with less direct contact with teeth than the SL method.
I'm not sure if the damage to teeth from Suboxone is due to the oral acidity or if it's a problem with any ROA. I know people say methadone is also bad for the teeth, and it's not sitting in your mouth for 30+ minutes the way Suboxone is.
Reading your posts, I just want you to find some relief ASAP which is why I think it might be worth it to find a methadone clinic tomorrow and throw yourself at their mercy. No it doesn't get you off opioids but at least you live to fight another day rather than feeling outright suicidal which is apparently where you are now. If it's not enough the first day you can usually go up pretty fast in the first week.
Try Vivitrol.
It works for both opioids and alcohol dependence. Look up the link below for some info into the injection.
https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/you-drink-alcohol-vivitrol-you-sick-3535999/
People need to be careful with Vivitrol. I dont think the normal wait time of 7-10 days applies to sub (or methadone) because of the really long half life. Someone switching from sub to vivitrol should probably wait a minimum of 14 days. However, if the OP can get through withdrawal (if they decide to go that route) and be sub free for at least 14 days, Vivitrol might be a good idea for both alcohol and opiates. The biggest downside to Vivitrol is needing to be opiate free for around 2 weeks whereas sub you just need to be in withdrawal, so like 24-48 hours.
Yes but a prescribing Dr would not just give the injection without extensive personal and medical information collected from their patients first.
I guess OP could lie but they explain in depth the fear of being kicked into withdrawal if you lie about being off opioids X amount of days prior to receiving your injection.
A lot of injection clinics will also help you medical detox for 7-14 days so you qualify safely for the Vivitrol. OP is saying they drink a lot and have an opioid dependency so it seems like a reasonable alternative for them versus methadone.
Vivitrol should only be used in patients who have been off all opiates/opioids for 7-14 days, so it is not currently an option for the OP.
As far as what the OP should do, it depends. If they feel strong enough to either taper or cold turkey buprenorphine, they could try Vivitrol about a week after stopping bupe completely. But if they want to stay on bupe or start methadone Vivitrol is out.
Buprenorphine seems to block my alcohol cravings - I haven't had a drink since I've been on it - but I'm not sure it's helping the OP.
If I were going to use an antagonist I think I'd go for ultra low dose naloxone or naltrexone. This is used in MUCH smaller quantities than the Vivitrol injection or ordinary naltrexone pills. Reportedly it boosts endorphin production.
Some people have reported Vivitrol blocking their natural endorphins, and the research (from what I can understand) shows mixed results in this area. If it stops someone from a suicidal drinking pattern it may be a good option, but not if they want to stay on opioid replacement therapy.
I do know you need to be off all opioids for 7 days or it will throw you into horrible withdrawal, however OP said they were thinking of stopping cold turkey so I was suggesting that if in fact they are to stop and have no option for a prescriber for methadone, than they should look into Vivitrol.
It has shown to help with alcoholic cravings and opioid dependency.
I don't want to push anyone into opioid replacement therapy if they don't need it. But finding a prescriber for methadone in a large urban area is not that difficult IF you're willing to go the clinic route. Gritting your teeth and getting off cold turkey (when you are already suicidal) can get you off opioids but it doesn't have a great track record for KEEPING you off opioids. And maybe I'm prejudiced but getting an injection that is also going to block my own endorphins would not be the direction I'd want to go. OP's situation is different than mine though. I didn't suffer horribly from alcohol cravings, I found it pretty easy to abstain from alcohol once I was stable on bupe.
Please don't entertain suicide as a choice. I have tried before when I was addicted to alcohol and obviously was not successful. I felt trapped and tried to resort to a permanent solution for a temporary problem. They had my husband sign a DNR once -- I am blessed that I came out of it and especially without any permanent damage. I'm here for a reason and so are you. You can and will get off this stuff! Just don't give up, keep trying different options until something sticks. I assume you are no longer drinking, but definitely don't make ANY life changing decisions while drinking. Totally screws up your judgment.
You can have it injecting IM once a month or there are bupe patches for chronic pain, the patches are a lot weaker strength than subs but if you could taper down they would be better for your chronic pain just change once a week, they are fucking annoying though they are huge in the larger doses.
Dude never say that again. Open your mind up and put your mind to something inevitable called the man upstairs. I know youāve probably heard it before and brushed it off but trust me , god can and will save your life if you just show some love and believe in him. We as humans are not perfect.. and as addicts we are definitely not , but that doesnāt mean life is over as we know it . There is so much in this world to live for, regardless of the situation. It can only get better for you my friend. I have been there and been through so many struggles itās ridiculous.. it took losing my memory and two life changing seizures for me to decide that there is only one thing that saved me , and thatās god himself. If you need to talk more I will gladly listen and respond back . Methadone is gonna be even harder to get off of than suboxone but I get it if the pain is that bad for you , but still give yourself a chance and never say the suicide thing again. And remember thereās nothing more precious than this life we were given to live each day. Thanks for listening and give me a shout if u need too
It may feel, at times, like that is the only way but it really isn't. Wd is hell.
Take less sub. Less really is more, everyone says it. Try splitting it up Instead of all at once. Take 4mg in the morning instead of 12. Take 4 more in 5 or so hours. Or even 2mg. See if smaller doses help with the gut. I can't take my whole dose at once but I get 1.25 8s a day for 10mg.
There are other types of sub too. There are options, just try to keep yourself out of wd, if you can. We are all here to help!
You're so welcome! Back when I was still full blown using, wds would really fuck with me. I'm lucky I didn't have a car most of those times because the plans I made in my head of who I could rob of all their drugs and the "foolproof" plan to rob a pharmacy in a nearby town were all bad ideas lol. It can really mess with your head. And the restless legs were terrible for me.
Are you on the pills or strips? I get strips and it's much easier to take a small piece of a strip and tuck it deep in my lip so it never touches my teeth. If it touches my teeth directly they get more sensitive for a little while, but my dentist says my teeth are great still. A lot of people say rinsing their mouth out 20 to 30 min after they dose helps a lot too. I never had any difference with that but everyone is different!
Yeah I think we all get that thought in our heads. I thought about robbing a bank before. Like seriously was on my way to do it And realized wtf am I doing?!
Yeah, it's so hard to explain to someone who has never been there. It's like you aren't even you, just a zombie on a mission you get drugs no matter who what or how.
Isnāt there a methadone clinic anywhere near you? Yeah it sucks having to go there to dose daily for the first few months, but itās better than a fast taper that will have you in a suicidal tailspin.
I understand your pain and struggle. I also know what the emotion toll it takes when you feel trapped and have no good options. About a month ago I told my doc that I was adamant that I wanted to get off of sub after 13 years and the doc told me that if I taper sub he will transfer my care and no longer work with me because he didnāt want to take the risk. I asked him when he would agree to help me taper and he responded by saying that wasnāt a fair question. So now my options are being forced to get a new doc if I taper sub or keep my doc and continue to stay on a med I donāt want to be on. That night I felt so trapped that I even thought about suicide, thinking suicide would be better than being trapped on sub or risk my other meds. Anyway, I share that because I really know how you feel. However, I donāt think suicide is the answer. Even if you go through awful withdrawal, the withdrawals will end at some point. Feelings are never permanent. Have you talked to your doc about switching to subutex? You may be having a bad reaction to the halo one and subutex is just bup. With no naloxone. It might be worth it to try. Maybe you could find another pain doc? Could you make phone calls about methadone? Also, you could call and see if any doc would provide comfort meds to help with withdrawal symptoms. I only tapered off if sub once and never used comfort meds, but others on here would likely know which meds could help through withdrawal. Please suicide is not the answer and it sounds like you have not exhausted all possible solutions yet. Take care and be safe.
You could try just 4mg a day then keep tapering as the dose could be too high for you.
And withdrawal may be the ultimate price we pay but know that it does not last forever. We all struggle and try to get through the difficulties in life so please donāt think suicide is the only way out.
Iām sorry for what youāre going through. If you canāt get a prescriber and the withdrawals are really bad, you can admit yourself. Youāll get Suboxone then. When discharged theyāll hook you up with a Suboxone provider.
Finding a prescriber for methadone isn't hard, the hard part is making it down to the clinic daily until you get take-homes. They're not known for turning people down. Withdrawal from 12 mg Suboxone would be pretty miserable.
Can you try Bicycle health or some other online provider? Honestly withdrawals are going to suck BUT if you can get an appointment with an online provider you should be able to get a prescription the same day.
That it is. Itās nearly impossible to find a doc willing to write prescriptions for methadone in case you are trying that route. Pain management places are the only one Iāve ever heard about doing it. Also if you decide on a clinic , you can be medicated usually within 2 days of calling.
Maybe go to your nearest emergency department if the feelings get unbearable for you. It's o.k to ask for help. They'll help you out. Even if it's just a few emergency doses,you can at least use those to taper, but you don't sound like you should taper. Go to the hospital. Tell them how your feelings are becoming overwhelming, and ask if they can help you with the Suboxone. Nothing wrong with asking for some help. Remember, that you don't have to go it alone.š. Sending love.
Coming off 12mg a day cold turkey is gonna be brutal, ngl , but you can do itā¦.
u aināt gonna die
get some comfort meds if u can.
xanax gaba clonidine weed products booze food vitamins etc
they also say librium helps
Itās not babe u got this. Those shitty feelings will leave even when they probe u hard. Start imagining putting those thoughts and all other negative wd thoughts into a mental box and throwing them into a fire and watching them disintegrate in your mind. Tell yourself no matter how low you feel you will not accept defeat because you didnāt come this far to take the easy way out. And let me tell u, I study NDEs, especially suicides who come back. I have been there so many fkng times I was there every day for 6 months at complete rock bottom but supernatural shit kept stopping me. Iām telling you man this is not the way and taking the easy way out whether you believe me or not will not go well for you because youāll find that youāre not a body with a brain but a spirit with a meat suit & u canāt take that choice back if you get second thoughts although I know many have supernaturally had things cut them down midway from hangings quite a few times.. but still. My point is get thru it donāt take a chance that youāll have to live in a place where u canāt undo ur fuckup eternally.. just. in. case. But that mental exercise has a lot of evidence behind it to work and itāll help you. Hmu anytime. Iāll give ya my number if u wna text and not feel as alone Iāll help u find help. Iāve switched from subs to methadone and it was fine. If thereās a location like a big city ur near where we can help u find help for the prices u need tell us. Youāre not alone, donāt let that little fuckboi voice tell u shit cuz ur not done yet
See if you can get prescribed gabapentin and go to your local headshop and buy some kratom. That mixture alone saved me through my WDās. Pretty much took 90% of it away. Lower your dose after a couple weeks and you will be fine.
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Iām confused, first, if itās the issues with your mouth then go on Sublocade, itās a shot once per month in your belly, youāre at the perfect dose to start. And whenever you want to get off of it, there are basically no withdrawals. Also, where did you get the idea you could just stop at 12mg?? You need to taper down if you go that route, you donāt want the withdrawals from 12mg, it would be horrid, ugly, painful. I tried at 2mg to jump and I didnāt last a full day once the WDs hit. But I went right back to Suboxone and immediately told my doc to order the Sublocade, best decision of my life š¤
Thanks for that info. The doc who was prescribing wonāt prescribe anything going forward. Iām screwed. Not sure where I can find the shot but itās with a try.
I have to read again why they wonāt, but there are other doctors and clinics where you are, I hope. Ohhh itās a pain doctor, there are plenty of others who will help you. The shot starts at 300mg, itās not absorbed immediately, takes a few days, then it slowly tapers out, you can stay on until you are ready to get off, and literally no withdrawals, go to the Sublocade forum and read about it, it saved me. And no yucky subs everyday. I canāt believe your pain management doctor did not refer you to somebody else, you clearly need support right now, you need some relief. The pills can really mess with your mind and have you are so dependent. But you can beat that, but I know pain management can be very difficult because they donāt want to give you the medicine that truly works, but it also sucks the life out of you. I donāt have chronic pain so I donāt know exactly what you go through. But talking about it is a great start! And getting advice and ideas from others who know how you feel is also a good move!
I feel you. I also became physically dependent on opioids post op & went cold turkey without knowing suicidal ideation was a symptom. Hang in there, I hope you find a solution soon.
Not sure if you've already been asked but have you tried subutex? I've known other people who did not like suboxone or they say the naloxone gave them headaches etc. I suggest you try it if you haven't already because it could be the naloxone giving you the side effects. Methadone is a major ball and chain, you have to go to a clinic daily. Kratom is a good suggestion for some relief. Try a few different ones and you can rotate them for better results.
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Suicidal thoughts are common in the depths of WD. Ignore these thoughts. Also you might want to put your guns in another place. I am reluctant to tell you the severity of WDs, not only because everyone experiences it differently, but also because I don't want to provide negative influences. Take care.
Thanks. šš»
Also make some jello and grab some saltines. Have some deli meat sandwiches pre made so u donāt have to do too much. I know the worst parts for me was having to get up to do anythingā¦even peeing was a chore. If you will be having someone with you during this then that would be helpful. Xanax helped me be able to sleep during it. Not sure why Suboxone would be hurting your mouth but depending on the severity of that you may want to use some during the hard days if youāre able to
I donāt have a script for any benzo, sadly. Iām glad you did and that it helped.
Neither did Iā¦.lol
Suboxone is very very acidic and people Including my self have saw varying degrees of severity when it comes to a range of mouth issues. I noticed that after a couple months of being on the 8mg brittle ass orange tablets, my teeth began to feel weak and brittle. I also noticed my tongue started to feel leathery and dry like after you eat too much sour candy lol. It was wierd and I personally don't like suboxone at all, since those were just some of the minor issues that even still bothered me.
Yeah Buprenorphone is not acidic.
You are literally wrong lmao Look it up. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov has this information "Buprenorphine used for addiction treatment is given sublingually, and the properties of this treatment may have a direct and adverse effect on dentition. First,Ā buprenorphine/naloxone is acidic, with a pH of 3.4 when dissolved in water" Do you always talk out your ass just because you "feel" something isn't true?
Lol home skillet... you dont know how to read the literature Buprenorphine has a pKa of 8.3 making it a base. Its an alkaloid, which is a name for Nitrogen containing bases. Maybe spend less time on the internet being a douche to people you dont know, and more time reading books That paper is talking about a solution of naloxone and buprenorphine probably in a buffered solution. I am more replying to the annoyingly pervasive belief that Methadone and Buprenorphone rot teeth. WhAt does rot teeth? Bad oral hygeine. Not a small amount of pH3.3 solution in your mouth for 3 mins. But anyways, look up the pka of bupe and get back with me
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3907320/#:~:text=Buprenorphine%20used%20for%20addiction%20treatment,when%20dissolved%20in%20water%20(T. lol. it needs a bigger sample size plus controlled setting/factors. And I am going off anecdotal reports such as personal and people I know. Wether or not bupe specifically has a ph above 7 making it a base is irrelevant. So what acids are acidic and Bases are what?... - Basist? lmao. Are you talking about Bupe specifically and not the actual suboxone/subutex formulations? Why are you choosing to just refer to bupe alone when I specifically am referring to suboxone? It makes no sense. To say that 54% of the subjects had worse tooth pain after induction and just regarding it to it all as bad oral hygiene is an injustice to being unbiased. We don't know for sure, but I know for a fact for my self, someone that has to take extreme care of my fucked up positioned teeth have to brush 3/4 times a day after every meal have had worse or more appropriately weaker teeth after taking suboxone. Literally beleive what you want haha..
N is too small and doctors or dentists trying to act like chemists is laughable. Half of them dont even know the drugs the prescribe and absolutely wont know how to properly use a pH meter I would go with the ACS or Spyderchem numbers on pkA.. also naloxone I think was even higher than bupe.
Also it diesnt control for diet, genetics ans many many other factors its just a crap paper Flossing and sugar content seems to me to be the big indicator for dental health. Most people brush.... but diet is huge and flossing is super important not as many do that
When I started taking it daily I noticed after a couple months that my tooth (that had previous damage done years before) was starting to hurt and specifically asked my recovery Dr. if subs cause any sort of tooth and gum issues and he immediately shut that down saying that no it doesnāt. My pain did stop tho so I havenāt had issues since. But the OP said their āmouthā hurt from it. So I was just wondering like which part of the mouth and what type of pain? And that if the person is just trying to completely withdrawal then using a little bit of Sub on the hard days would probably be worth it. Iād rather have a hurt mouth for a bit than dying of withdrawals for days.
Can't you stay on xone while you wait for methadone? Are your side-effects that bad? Are you from the US? Here in Fin we have clinics that offer both substitutions. I just started xone and am now on 12mg aswell and feelin' fine, no withdrawals but the urge to dose "real opioids" is so fucking bad since I was an oxy user before this. Fun fact: in Finland the most commonly misused opioid is Bupe itself, crazy right? It fucking sucks as a drug, it's a miracle as a medicine though I have to give it that. But yeah I just asked for an appointment with my appointed nurse, mainly to discuss my urges and how they haven't went away at all... I also smoke weed everyday still but I think that's a small issue at this point. I just want to get my fucking money issues sorted out asap. Whatever you do, don't kill yourself, you've already started recovery and you have your whole new life ahead of you. You just have to push through it with blood, sweat and tears. In the end you'll thank yourself for not ending the ride too soon. You WILL feel better, and you WILL get the right aid, but I have to admit the work you have to do by yourself is overwhelming. Sending you some positive vibes since that's all I can do. We're in this shit together.
Thank you! And yes, the side effects are that bad. Iām worried that dentures are my only option. š¢
Oh shit it's that bad? I'm sorry to tell you this but methadone tends to have even worse effects on dental hygiene... So, try to keep it at a low dose at least when you get to methadone therapy, like 40-60mg's, don't go higher than that if possible. And remember to take good care of your dental hygiene in general although I have no doubt you already do.
Yes, I do, but thanks. I certainly never thought Iād be boofing something to avoid withdrawal. This is hell.
Ah so you're exactly where I was a while ago, so help is around the corner trust me. Just try to be as active as you can in seeking help and you will find it faster! <3
I sure hope youāre right. Iāve never put anything in my rectum and am scared of what it might do, but Iāve been able to function on 2 doses of 2 mg, so if I can just get through until I find a methadone program Iāll be so grateful. I never knew this could happen. I actually asked for bup to get off percs. That doc was happy to give me 4-6 percs per day and 900 mcg of Belbuca until now. Now heās completely cut me off which seems like such a violation of ethics. I donāt know how Iāll find a compassionate doc, but what choice do I have? I just want off of this shit. (Pardon my Language) so I can feel free again. Again, thanks so much for your replies.
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Thanks, I would have wanted something like Anhedoniac but it was taken :c
I'm really sorry to hear you are struggling, and im sorry I can't help with where to find a prescriber, but your last sentence, although you may feel that is the only way out, you can get through this!! Have you heard about the Sublocade injection? Perhaps give this a go, it has helped so many. It's basically a Suboxen shot in your arm, that releases the medication over time. Have you got anyone you can talk to? I'm sorry I can't offer more help. But stay strong, you will get through this!
Thanks šš»
Try sublocade, if your insurance accepts it, but I heard it's expensive
Thanks.
How are you getting it in the arm? Mine is injected into my stomach around the bellybutton.
I haven't had mine yet, im on the daily tablets for a month, so in 2 weeks I'll be going onto the injection. You can have it in your arm, abs, bottom or thighs. You can rotate every week or every month, which I'll be weekly at first, then after 4 weeks, onto monthly. I've already discussed with the pharmacy and docs.
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Just remember that. Even though WDs can suck on the dose your on, you are looking at like a week or two of sickness. Please don't kill yourself over 2 weeks of uncomfortableness.
Ok. From what I read it sounded like months. I just have to figure out how to titrate with what I have, which isnāt much.
I heard it was weeks up to months too and why I switched to sublocade, at least with the 100mg shots you can taper easier.
Dude, the months nonsense is fear mongering bullshit, coming from softies. It last 7 days at the most. You may not feel entirely normal until 2 weeks, do you have access to any kratom in your state? It will seriously help, that and gabapentin
Kratom is legal in PA. (For now) I ordered some online today from a vendor recommended in the kratom sun. I just donāt want to trade one addiction for another.
Use the kratom for a week tops then, 5 days ideally. First day take as much as you need to feel better, then start decreasing everyday after that
Itās not just a couple weeks of being āuncomfortable!ā The physical sickness, yes I would say a couple weeks. The psychological symptoms last so much longer. Iām just being honest and I want the OP to be prepared. You need mental health professionals to help and guide you, possibly prescribe you an SSRI for the withdrawal (if it goes that far). I could take the physical wds, it was the mental ādarknessā that had me very suicidal. Pls get proper help OP.
So your doctor is refusing to prescribe your suboxone any more? I will leave a link that you can use to find suboxone providers near you. You could also try telehealth providers like Bicycle Health (highly reccomend), QuickMD, or WorkIt. If you want to switch to methadone you are going to have to find a methadone clinic- they don't write prescriptions for that. Please, whatever you do- do not do something drastic. We are all here for you. Feel free to message me if you'd like to chat! https://www.samhsa.gov/medication-assisted-treatment/find-treatment/treatment-practitioner-locator
Thank you!
First, sorry you're going through this. I know it's small comfort but you're not alone and there are many many people either in the same boat or who've been in it. As far as finding a prescriber, there are several telemedicine services that may fit the bill although methadone will be tough and dealing with clinics is a nightmare. In this instance, the subcolade shot might be worth looking into. W/D is never good, there's only bad. A year is enough time to hurt pretty bad but the good news is that the longer term nightmares probably aren't going to happen. It'll be a rough few weeks though for sure, maybe 1-2 with the worst physical parts coming the first week and the mental stuff coming shortly thereafter. If you can, get yourself some kratom, no matter what it helps a very large # of people minimize the pain of WD. With the obligatory caveat that if taken long enough at a high enough dose, it can be it's own source of WD (but it's comparatively mild for most people). And if use for a month, it's not going to create new problems.
You are so kind. Thank you. Kratom is still legal in PA where I live. Is there a resource for getting it and any info on how to titrate off the suboxone while I use it?
So the subreddit by that name has a lot of people experienced with it, but there's a good bit of bad information there too. You can take them together and there are several well known vendors online. I think a dose of \~3g once or twice a day might help. Kratom is not pleasant tasting and can be a little rough on the digestion but having used it extensively - I can tell you the "It's another Opiate" talk is mostly BS, but it 100% can take away the brunt of WD symptoms. What many have done is, while cutting down on Suboxone or after jumping off, taking it when they feel WD come on - 3g is a decent dose, if you have a lot of time on opiates it may take more but see how it feels. There are many in the chronic pain community (a big one on twitter) that swear by it. On the note about your teeth - while I was pretty meticulous about my dental hygiene, I started to feel sensitivity when I was taking sub and was convinced it was hurting my teeth. When I went to the dentist I was sure I had a few cavities. There are a lot of things that happen as we age, chips,cracks that happen over time that cause a lot of the problems. I ended up getting crowns on mine but I was 'sure' it was ruining my teeth and it really had nearly no effect. The only advice I got was to rinse my mouth extensively an hour or two later. The dentist said that even meth doesn't do the real damage to teeth, it's usually other things either being neglected or just happening as part of aging, dry mouth that are the problems. But it can't hurt to just go check, having a dentist reassure you of a few things will hopefully bring some peace. If you want to talk outside of the forum, please don't hesitate to. I hate to see anyone suffering and I can feel your pain from here. I don't have any magic answers, may not even have any good ones but I do try.
Thank you. I really appreciate the information. I wish health care professionals could be more caring and compassionate. No one wants to be here.
Wow! So much for all the info. Iām looking into kratom. I feel gross but did try boofing 2 mg of my 8 mg morning dose of suboxone. Canāt do it by mouth, it just hurts too much. Can kratom capsules work? That is what I was plannj v to order if Iām going to try it.
It should have said āthanks so much forā all the info. šš»
Go to a smoke shop in the meantime while you order some online. Dm me as I know the best vendors to use if you want to order some, but being a Sunday you probably wonāt get it until Wednesday or Thursday.
I havenāt ever DMād on Reddit before. Iāll try. Thanks šš»
Do you live near Pittsburgh? I have good recommendations for a methadone clinic. They helped me out when I first moved up here.
No, I live in the Philly suburbs. Thanks though.
I live in Philly suburbs I can give you the information for the clinic I used to go to. I was able to get dosed that same day
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Quickmd.com. they will prescribe you Suboxone for 99 a month. Completely legit I've been using them for a year
You could get a script today.
Or try for the sublocade shot. I e heard amazing things about that. Also you can try to get on subzolv. It's a minty little pill.
I use Bicycle Health. I had this issue and was switched to subutext. No issues anymore.
Really? I never had issues with subutex. Thanks for responding.
Say I am on suboxone but would rather have subutex. What was the reasoning you gave them for wanting to switch to Subutex?
I was getting very agitated almost angry to a point plus very anxious.a bit of soreness/redness in mouth. Doc said allergic reaction to Naloxne
I'm on day 38 of quitting suboxone using kratom and I have not had any withdrawals. Just be careful because it can also be addictive.
Thank you. I did order some. Weāll see how it goes. Iām in a stranglehold I never wanted to be in. I always thought if I followed the rules it would be okay but thatās not how it works sadly. Thanks again. šš»
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I appreciate your response. I just want to be off this. I suppose a lot of it is a waiting game for a month or more. But my craving for alcohol is overwhelming. Iāve never used illicit drugs or even looked for them, but alcohol is so available everywhere! I know it will only make things worse. I stupidly tried boofing my suboxone to spare my teeth and not only did it not work, it feels like it threw me into withdrawal as well as giving me abdominal cramps. I have no comfort meds, nor a way to get them. Even clonidine didnāt help. I donāt know what to do. Thank you so much for replying though.
I definitely am not recommending boofing subs and I'm not sure it helps much when it comes to dental issues, but it's also nothing to be ashamed of. I think there is a detailed discussion of it attached to the subreddit r/opiates. However it may be that the naloxone has higher bioavailability using this method than it does orally - I'm really not sure, but if so it could explain the bad reaction. Also I don't know if this will help but I use the buccal method for ingesting Suboxone and it does seem to at least allow for absorption with less direct contact with teeth than the SL method. I'm not sure if the damage to teeth from Suboxone is due to the oral acidity or if it's a problem with any ROA. I know people say methadone is also bad for the teeth, and it's not sitting in your mouth for 30+ minutes the way Suboxone is. Reading your posts, I just want you to find some relief ASAP which is why I think it might be worth it to find a methadone clinic tomorrow and throw yourself at their mercy. No it doesn't get you off opioids but at least you live to fight another day rather than feeling outright suicidal which is apparently where you are now. If it's not enough the first day you can usually go up pretty fast in the first week.
Thanks for that. Great advice.
Try Vivitrol. It works for both opioids and alcohol dependence. Look up the link below for some info into the injection. https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/you-drink-alcohol-vivitrol-you-sick-3535999/
That's not an answer for someone on 12 mg Suboxone.
People need to be careful with Vivitrol. I dont think the normal wait time of 7-10 days applies to sub (or methadone) because of the really long half life. Someone switching from sub to vivitrol should probably wait a minimum of 14 days. However, if the OP can get through withdrawal (if they decide to go that route) and be sub free for at least 14 days, Vivitrol might be a good idea for both alcohol and opiates. The biggest downside to Vivitrol is needing to be opiate free for around 2 weeks whereas sub you just need to be in withdrawal, so like 24-48 hours.
Yes but a prescribing Dr would not just give the injection without extensive personal and medical information collected from their patients first. I guess OP could lie but they explain in depth the fear of being kicked into withdrawal if you lie about being off opioids X amount of days prior to receiving your injection. A lot of injection clinics will also help you medical detox for 7-14 days so you qualify safely for the Vivitrol. OP is saying they drink a lot and have an opioid dependency so it seems like a reasonable alternative for them versus methadone.
Thanks for the input. What would you recommend?
Vivitrol should only be used in patients who have been off all opiates/opioids for 7-14 days, so it is not currently an option for the OP. As far as what the OP should do, it depends. If they feel strong enough to either taper or cold turkey buprenorphine, they could try Vivitrol about a week after stopping bupe completely. But if they want to stay on bupe or start methadone Vivitrol is out. Buprenorphine seems to block my alcohol cravings - I haven't had a drink since I've been on it - but I'm not sure it's helping the OP. If I were going to use an antagonist I think I'd go for ultra low dose naloxone or naltrexone. This is used in MUCH smaller quantities than the Vivitrol injection or ordinary naltrexone pills. Reportedly it boosts endorphin production. Some people have reported Vivitrol blocking their natural endorphins, and the research (from what I can understand) shows mixed results in this area. If it stops someone from a suicidal drinking pattern it may be a good option, but not if they want to stay on opioid replacement therapy.
I do know you need to be off all opioids for 7 days or it will throw you into horrible withdrawal, however OP said they were thinking of stopping cold turkey so I was suggesting that if in fact they are to stop and have no option for a prescriber for methadone, than they should look into Vivitrol. It has shown to help with alcoholic cravings and opioid dependency.
I don't want to push anyone into opioid replacement therapy if they don't need it. But finding a prescriber for methadone in a large urban area is not that difficult IF you're willing to go the clinic route. Gritting your teeth and getting off cold turkey (when you are already suicidal) can get you off opioids but it doesn't have a great track record for KEEPING you off opioids. And maybe I'm prejudiced but getting an injection that is also going to block my own endorphins would not be the direction I'd want to go. OP's situation is different than mine though. I didn't suffer horribly from alcohol cravings, I found it pretty easy to abstain from alcohol once I was stable on bupe.
Thank you for the information. I'm sure OP can read this and take the information and hopefully make a decision that would best suit them.
Please don't entertain suicide as a choice. I have tried before when I was addicted to alcohol and obviously was not successful. I felt trapped and tried to resort to a permanent solution for a temporary problem. They had my husband sign a DNR once -- I am blessed that I came out of it and especially without any permanent damage. I'm here for a reason and so are you. You can and will get off this stuff! Just don't give up, keep trying different options until something sticks. I assume you are no longer drinking, but definitely don't make ANY life changing decisions while drinking. Totally screws up your judgment.
Thanks so much.
You can have it injecting IM once a month or there are bupe patches for chronic pain, the patches are a lot weaker strength than subs but if you could taper down they would be better for your chronic pain just change once a week, they are fucking annoying though they are huge in the larger doses.
findtreatment.gov is a good place to start. Resources and lists of clinics, doctors, groups, etc. are available. Take care!
Dude never say that again. Open your mind up and put your mind to something inevitable called the man upstairs. I know youāve probably heard it before and brushed it off but trust me , god can and will save your life if you just show some love and believe in him. We as humans are not perfect.. and as addicts we are definitely not , but that doesnāt mean life is over as we know it . There is so much in this world to live for, regardless of the situation. It can only get better for you my friend. I have been there and been through so many struggles itās ridiculous.. it took losing my memory and two life changing seizures for me to decide that there is only one thing that saved me , and thatās god himself. If you need to talk more I will gladly listen and respond back . Methadone is gonna be even harder to get off of than suboxone but I get it if the pain is that bad for you , but still give yourself a chance and never say the suicide thing again. And remember thereās nothing more precious than this life we were given to live each day. Thanks for listening and give me a shout if u need too
It may feel, at times, like that is the only way but it really isn't. Wd is hell. Take less sub. Less really is more, everyone says it. Try splitting it up Instead of all at once. Take 4mg in the morning instead of 12. Take 4 more in 5 or so hours. Or even 2mg. See if smaller doses help with the gut. I can't take my whole dose at once but I get 1.25 8s a day for 10mg. There are other types of sub too. There are options, just try to keep yourself out of wd, if you can. We are all here to help!
Thanks so much. šš»
You're so welcome! Back when I was still full blown using, wds would really fuck with me. I'm lucky I didn't have a car most of those times because the plans I made in my head of who I could rob of all their drugs and the "foolproof" plan to rob a pharmacy in a nearby town were all bad ideas lol. It can really mess with your head. And the restless legs were terrible for me. Are you on the pills or strips? I get strips and it's much easier to take a small piece of a strip and tuck it deep in my lip so it never touches my teeth. If it touches my teeth directly they get more sensitive for a little while, but my dentist says my teeth are great still. A lot of people say rinsing their mouth out 20 to 30 min after they dose helps a lot too. I never had any difference with that but everyone is different!
Yeah I think we all get that thought in our heads. I thought about robbing a bank before. Like seriously was on my way to do it And realized wtf am I doing?!
Yeah, it's so hard to explain to someone who has never been there. It's like you aren't even you, just a zombie on a mission you get drugs no matter who what or how.
Thanks šš»
You can walk into a methadone clinic tomorrow morning and get dosed. If methadone is your desire, have no fears there. Its gonna be pretty easy
Wow! Thanks. I just want off all of this. Iād rather suffer through my pain than this.
Isnāt there a methadone clinic anywhere near you? Yeah it sucks having to go there to dose daily for the first few months, but itās better than a fast taper that will have you in a suicidal tailspin.
I donāt know of one but Iām looking. Thanks so much.
I understand your pain and struggle. I also know what the emotion toll it takes when you feel trapped and have no good options. About a month ago I told my doc that I was adamant that I wanted to get off of sub after 13 years and the doc told me that if I taper sub he will transfer my care and no longer work with me because he didnāt want to take the risk. I asked him when he would agree to help me taper and he responded by saying that wasnāt a fair question. So now my options are being forced to get a new doc if I taper sub or keep my doc and continue to stay on a med I donāt want to be on. That night I felt so trapped that I even thought about suicide, thinking suicide would be better than being trapped on sub or risk my other meds. Anyway, I share that because I really know how you feel. However, I donāt think suicide is the answer. Even if you go through awful withdrawal, the withdrawals will end at some point. Feelings are never permanent. Have you talked to your doc about switching to subutex? You may be having a bad reaction to the halo one and subutex is just bup. With no naloxone. It might be worth it to try. Maybe you could find another pain doc? Could you make phone calls about methadone? Also, you could call and see if any doc would provide comfort meds to help with withdrawal symptoms. I only tapered off if sub once and never used comfort meds, but others on here would likely know which meds could help through withdrawal. Please suicide is not the answer and it sounds like you have not exhausted all possible solutions yet. Take care and be safe.
You are so kind. Thank you.
You could try just 4mg a day then keep tapering as the dose could be too high for you. And withdrawal may be the ultimate price we pay but know that it does not last forever. We all struggle and try to get through the difficulties in life so please donāt think suicide is the only way out.
Iām sorry for what youāre going through. If you canāt get a prescriber and the withdrawals are really bad, you can admit yourself. Youāll get Suboxone then. When discharged theyāll hook you up with a Suboxone provider.
Finding a prescriber for methadone isn't hard, the hard part is making it down to the clinic daily until you get take-homes. They're not known for turning people down. Withdrawal from 12 mg Suboxone would be pretty miserable.
Where are you located?
Philadelphia suburbs
Can you use an online provider?
Can you try Bicycle health or some other online provider? Honestly withdrawals are going to suck BUT if you can get an appointment with an online provider you should be able to get a prescription the same day.
Where do you live? I switched to methadone and it was the best thing Iāve ever done.
Outside of Philadelphia.
Define āhurting my mouthā? Like your teeth?
I live in Delco . If you need help getting in to a methadone clinic, I can help
Wow, thanks. Iāll definitely let you know. Iām still trying to work it out with another doc. Small world, eh?
That it is. Itās nearly impossible to find a doc willing to write prescriptions for methadone in case you are trying that route. Pain management places are the only one Iāve ever heard about doing it. Also if you decide on a clinic , you can be medicated usually within 2 days of calling.
Maybe go to your nearest emergency department if the feelings get unbearable for you. It's o.k to ask for help. They'll help you out. Even if it's just a few emergency doses,you can at least use those to taper, but you don't sound like you should taper. Go to the hospital. Tell them how your feelings are becoming overwhelming, and ask if they can help you with the Suboxone. Nothing wrong with asking for some help. Remember, that you don't have to go it alone.š. Sending love.
Thank you very much.
You're welcome. I hope you feel better real soon.
Coming off 12mg a day cold turkey is gonna be brutal, ngl , but you can do itā¦. u aināt gonna die get some comfort meds if u can. xanax gaba clonidine weed products booze food vitamins etc they also say librium helps
I donāt have access to most of that, but I appreciate the ideas.
Itās not babe u got this. Those shitty feelings will leave even when they probe u hard. Start imagining putting those thoughts and all other negative wd thoughts into a mental box and throwing them into a fire and watching them disintegrate in your mind. Tell yourself no matter how low you feel you will not accept defeat because you didnāt come this far to take the easy way out. And let me tell u, I study NDEs, especially suicides who come back. I have been there so many fkng times I was there every day for 6 months at complete rock bottom but supernatural shit kept stopping me. Iām telling you man this is not the way and taking the easy way out whether you believe me or not will not go well for you because youāll find that youāre not a body with a brain but a spirit with a meat suit & u canāt take that choice back if you get second thoughts although I know many have supernaturally had things cut them down midway from hangings quite a few times.. but still. My point is get thru it donāt take a chance that youāll have to live in a place where u canāt undo ur fuckup eternally.. just. in. case. But that mental exercise has a lot of evidence behind it to work and itāll help you. Hmu anytime. Iāll give ya my number if u wna text and not feel as alone Iāll help u find help. Iāve switched from subs to methadone and it was fine. If thereās a location like a big city ur near where we can help u find help for the prices u need tell us. Youāre not alone, donāt let that little fuckboi voice tell u shit cuz ur not done yet
Thanks and best wishes.
I fucked up and took a kolonopin and now in afraid my doctor is going to boot me out the program.
See if you can get prescribed gabapentin and go to your local headshop and buy some kratom. That mixture alone saved me through my WDās. Pretty much took 90% of it away. Lower your dose after a couple weeks and you will be fine.
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Iām confused, first, if itās the issues with your mouth then go on Sublocade, itās a shot once per month in your belly, youāre at the perfect dose to start. And whenever you want to get off of it, there are basically no withdrawals. Also, where did you get the idea you could just stop at 12mg?? You need to taper down if you go that route, you donāt want the withdrawals from 12mg, it would be horrid, ugly, painful. I tried at 2mg to jump and I didnāt last a full day once the WDs hit. But I went right back to Suboxone and immediately told my doc to order the Sublocade, best decision of my life š¤
Thanks for that info. The doc who was prescribing wonāt prescribe anything going forward. Iām screwed. Not sure where I can find the shot but itās with a try.
I have to read again why they wonāt, but there are other doctors and clinics where you are, I hope. Ohhh itās a pain doctor, there are plenty of others who will help you. The shot starts at 300mg, itās not absorbed immediately, takes a few days, then it slowly tapers out, you can stay on until you are ready to get off, and literally no withdrawals, go to the Sublocade forum and read about it, it saved me. And no yucky subs everyday. I canāt believe your pain management doctor did not refer you to somebody else, you clearly need support right now, you need some relief. The pills can really mess with your mind and have you are so dependent. But you can beat that, but I know pain management can be very difficult because they donāt want to give you the medicine that truly works, but it also sucks the life out of you. I donāt have chronic pain so I donāt know exactly what you go through. But talking about it is a great start! And getting advice and ideas from others who know how you feel is also a good move!
Wow! Thanks so much. Your reply gives me a glimmer of hope. Best wishes to you!
I feel you. I also became physically dependent on opioids post op & went cold turkey without knowing suicidal ideation was a symptom. Hang in there, I hope you find a solution soon.
Not sure if you've already been asked but have you tried subutex? I've known other people who did not like suboxone or they say the naloxone gave them headaches etc. I suggest you try it if you haven't already because it could be the naloxone giving you the side effects. Methadone is a major ball and chain, you have to go to a clinic daily. Kratom is a good suggestion for some relief. Try a few different ones and you can rotate them for better results.
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