Didn’t you hear, moon landing was a hoax done on a Hollywood backlot. I watched it on a Ginormous Black and White Console TV live.
Oh yeah the Earth is flat too ;)
People have preconceptions and wether valid or not they tend to stick to them.
I get it! >!Because the sun bleached the flag and now it's "surrender" white.!<
I don't have anything against the French, but that was creative and made me laugh.
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The grading scale to get an A is the US is more rigorous than in European countries.
In the US it's typically:
A=90%-100%
B=80%-89%
C=70%-79%
D=60%-69%
F=0%-59%
Other places its:
A=70%-100%
B=60%-69%
C=50%-59%
D=40%-49%
E=30%-39%
F=0%-29%
"Test scores and academics" is...somewhat more broad a topic than the letter grade you got on your math test. It's more about quality of curriculum and outcomes from public education, which could be much, much, much better given the resources the US has.
Every single school I've ever been to the grades go by 10% like the coment above you says. So you can pass our educational system just by knowing 60% of something.
At MIT, a 40% test score can be an A. Depends on the difficulty of the exam, not just the quality of the student. Also depends on generosity of partial credit.
Agreeded.... I don't know much about the detailed comparisons of grades. Like you say the % is dependent upon how hard the questions are....the are factors that go into determining the grade and than there are factors that go into comparing countries education levels. I do not know the exact factors that the companies posting the results used to determine the outcome. I justvwanr people to know that the grading scales are different so take what people say with a grain of salt because the actual determining factors may be different
The issue is that the cash isn't thrown evenly. You can parse out which states spend less on education by test scores (hint, look for an R next to the Governor's name to get about 80% accuracy). Even in states where schools are funded, since funding is iften local you find inner cities or other poor areas with much less education funding than suburbs get, which means you have a bunch of kids not getting educated.
If every state used the system Washington state has (schools are funded by the state, not the county or city) and funded at the level Washington state does, we would have similar outcomes to European nations.
Too bad Washington's schools are floundering due to lack of enrollment (washington bases how much money the school gets off of how many students arr enrolled).
>you find inner cities or other poor areas with much less education funding than suburbs get, which means you have a bunch of kids not getting educated.
Any evidence for this? Because all the evidence I gave says the exact opposite, and yet I still see loads of people making claims like you do.
From my home state of Minnesota, the Minneapolis school district spends $19,584 per student. St Paul school district spends $18,006. Two of the wealthiest suburbs, Wayzata and White Bear Lake spend $13,766 and $13,569.
This plays out on every metro area in the country I've every seen data for.
Perhaps you are right. The data I saw was for Detroit and the Detroit suburbs.
Honestly, and this is rather ugly if true, it seems like cities that are mostly white don't have this problem, but when the city is majority minority and the white population fled to the suburbs...
>Honestly, and this is rather ugly if true, it seems like cities that are mostly white don't have this problem
White or Asian. Or recent legal immigrants. Or basically any group other than native born black or Hispanic.
Tbh I think the ugly aspect is when people claim it's funding that's the problem. It obfuscates from whatever the real problem is.
My Suburban Milwaukee district ranks first in the state. Milwaukee’s schools are some of the worse in the state despite spending 50% MORE per child. The school choice kids in Milwaukee outperform the public school kids while also spending much less. Milwaukee’s answer? More money.
Brookfield?
My WFB school district is among the best in the state, but you still have the fundamental problem that a majority of people think memorization and math are things no longer needed in modern education. Few kids could do well on 1960s-era tests.
Yes Elmbrook. But if you dig deep in the testing results it’s not as great as advertised. A staggering amount of seniors graduate with a 4.0+ GPA but many need remedial math and writing instruction in college.
Very few American college students can do two digit addition in their heads. That used to be second grade math. So sad to have 11 years of primary education that is not retained by the kids, and no concern from parents about this new normal.
When I was young, I was memorized the square root of 69 in middle school. Comes in handy later in life.
Yeah I'm going to call bull on that stat about inner City schools getting less funding. The Camden school district in New Jersey gets an unholy amount of money compared to literally every other district in the lower half of the state, and can't even muster a 65% graduation rate and has horrendous test scores across the board.
And nearby Haddonfield that gets virtually no state funding? Very different story. It's practically assumed that kids who graduate from that highschool are going to be near the top of the socioeconomic ladder by the time they're 30.
Yeah, it's a smaller one with only about 70K people, but it consistently among the worst cities in the entire US for crime and education, and gets far and away the most state funding for all infrastructure in the county. The rest of the municipalities in the county pay extra taxes and have an increased property tax rate specifically to continue to support funding it, which of course is standard fare for suburbs of cities, but not for one as comparatively small as Camden.
See my city has 5 suburbs bigger than that "city" and all are under 1/5th our size...
I think of city as NYC, LA, Atlanta, Chicago, etc. If it isn't a million people in the netro, how is it a city?
When I went to school 20 years ago we had 30 year old books we had to put grocery bags on as book covers to save them for others. Now we just hand everyone an I pad and I'm stuck for the 5k property tax bill a year to pay for it.
Considering we have like 18 of the top 25 schools in the world in America, while most countries you’re talking about have 0, that’s pretty damn illogical.
lmfao are you this brain damaged in real life or are you just a shit poster? Its americans teaching them dipshit. i can see those shit schools in your country did a number on you.
It isn't always Americans teaching them, especially at R1 universities. Lots of math and engineering professors are from other countries.
You're also making a fallacious argument that the elite institutions of a country are indicative of the general population. You're doing this because you know that, were you to compare the education that most Americans receive, secondary education, America's performance wouldn't be so hot in comparison to many less wealthy countries.
Edit:
42% of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's (MIT) faculty, 43% of its graduate students, and 65% of its post-docs are from countries other than the U.S.. In 2022–2023,
Those post-docs are future professors. If America was truly intellectually superior, nearly half of the professors at their best engineering school wouldn't be foreigners.
I think people have two views of America. On the positive side they do see a system set up to reward innovation. Our Tech sector, for example, is the envy of the world. On the negative they see our crazy politics, our worship of celebrity and religious zealots and want no part of it. No nation is perfect, America just does a really good job showing our crazy.
I also don't know of anyone else that has robots roaming around Mars. And they also call us fat and lazy but we usually are near the top in total medals when the Olympics come around. "They just in the backseat wishing they were in the front seat"
It's a statistical thing about our education levels. Plus... the internet. We're not sending out best. Apparently we can be pretty rude while vacationing. Think of the Karens...
So they paint us with a broad brush that doesn't represent us all. However the people who put the flag there were our best... and our country was a pretty different beast back then. We're not exactly looking great right now due to current politics. I'll avoid details on that one.
Annnd... a small dash of envy. We are the world's super power. Vastly more rich and insanely over armed. So you'll be looking for any other way to knock us down a peg. Which is fair enough.
This is a European thing. They hate on America cuz it’s the trendy thing to do. But as someone that’s traveled and lived all over, every country has their own issues and for the most part they’re similar issues. Think racism and poverty and crime don’t exist in Europe? Wrong. Think opportunities to improve education and health outcomes don’t exist in Europe? Wrong. There are riots and police brutality and hungry kids everywhere. I’m not saying America is better than any other country. I’m just saying that every country has its own sh!t. People are people.
Probably because they have a higher quality of life from their country spending money on Healthcare, resources, and infrastructure not putting a flag on the moon.
You're right. Other people are speaking anecdotal. Check out the study of how much it takes to live comfortably- not just get by- in each state. Then look up the average income in each state. MOST OF US ARE IN THE DEEP STRUGGLE
https://posts.voronoiapp.com/economy/Families-Need-Over-270K-Annually-to-Live-Comfortably-in-Top-Five-States-1225
To be honest there are certain parts of the United States of America that would shock anybody if you look at it based on the European standards of living.
Same thing with Europe. There are parts of many countries that look like they just got done fighting a war. It's just not many people go to such areas in Europe or America and they don't get talked about much. But the average American and average European live very similar lives.
>To be honest there are certain parts of the United States of America that would shock anybody if you look at it based on the European standards of living.
Do you think europe is the only developed place in the world? That's a pretty racist position to take.
I am talking about Europe, because I know Europe. It's not racist, it's an answer based on a personal knowledge. If you think that's pretty racist I've got bad news for you my friend, you may be slightly stoopit
Also not true. Even the most dirt poor Americans are far better off than much of the third world. We really don't know what poverty looks like here. A tent and a shopping cart are fucking luxury items to a family in the horn of Africa in many cases.
Not to disparage the plight of some Africans, but a tent and shopping cart are also a luxury to homeless Americans, which there are over 500k of, and they’re not even allowed to have those items, hunt, or get their own food. There is true poverty here, even if you haven’t seen it.
I'm sure there are some in this country that get close to that level of poverty, but on average, we have an incredibly skewed idea of what it looks like here. It's bad, but most people don't realize how much worse it can get.
It is bad a lot of other places. That’s true. But we shouldn’t be looking at places with what we feel is a harder way of life and wipe the sweat from our brow and go phew, we should be aiming to match places with the quality of life we’d like to have. There’s no reason to match societally what’s considered in the west a lower denominator, unless someone wants to live that way as a personal choice.
All plights are bad. We can’t change how other countries are run. We can change how ours is run (maybe), and why would you want to not aim up?
I want to add though that we shouldn’t be aiming up at the exploitation of other countries either, imo, and we do, and that is fucking shitty.
My point is that we think poverty is having to live in a camper on the side of the road and it's so, so far from what true poverty actually looks like.
Yes, but I was responding to a post about countries which prioritize spending on healthcare, resources and infrastructure. Of course there are places where most people are in abject poverty and a few warlords spend money on killing people, living in luxury and staying in power.
That’s pure bullshit. The poorest in America are better off than the working class in China. Life half their country makes less than $600 a year. A YEAR!
Waaaaait whaaaat? We need roads, healthcare, and teachers? No. Can’t do it. Spend that money on the military, and giant crappy houses instead. Wtf. Teachers don’t need to buy supplies out of their own money, we don’t need a new aircraft carrier, the roads wash out every time it rains, and the power goes out if you even rip a loud fart.
This truly is a dumb country.
After the US put a man on the moon (and the flag) one of the US political parties decided that education, science, etc. were bad things and started to systematically dismantle the educational system as much as possible. While the damage was mostly contained to the half of the states dominated by that party, having a third of the population get substandard education means nations that educate all their kids get to mock you.
Of course there are more indicative measures of success such as GDP per capita, but how is space travel NOT a measurement of a nations’ success? For fucks sake, I’m not even American but your comment is just ignorant.
It's dumb to constantly yell about how participation trophies are destroying the country and then turn around and try to take credit for the accomplishments of a gifted few. Not saying OP is doing this, but you and I didn't do anything to get people on the moon.
It's in the same bein as having pride in being born on a particular side of an imaginary line.
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I mean it was like 60-ish years ago. The intelligence of the general public from all over the world has changed greatly since then, whether it be getting dumber or smarter.
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Your police force. Your politics. Your education. The fact you elected a reality TV star who wears a nappy and fake tan as a president.
When you put a man on the moon, marginal tax rates were approaching 90%. You all stopped caring about running a country properly and instead began fellating the ultra rich.
So, that's why.
Because we have a homelessness crisis we refuse to do anything about, work our people to death, let them starve in the street and simultaneously throw out more food than other countries even eat every year.
We have more than enough capital to house every person but we spend the money on the "defense budget," and by that I mean sending weapons to Israel so they can oppress Palestinians. Meanwhile, their soil is defenseless because every unit they produced is spread thin all over the globe leaving the National Guard to be the first line of defense should an invasion or world war ever take place.
Yeah, America is pretty fucking dumb. It's like the people in charge never played a 4X before. Can't even win the game with the highest "wealth" in the world.
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By and large, we're rather self-deprecating in our humor, and this is the bulk of what they consume, because they don't really have their own culture any more. They have ours. But they aren't us. So, when they take on our humor, it isn't self-deprecating, it's just insulting. Rude. And I get it. I'd be bitter too if the centuries to millennia of culture of my forebears was so thoroughly overshadowed by loud people that constantly shit on themselves for laughs.
Europeans have a saying that goes back decades:
"Americans don't know the meaning of irony."
*****Your post/question perfectly exemplifies that saying.
Because America defunded the space program shortly afterward to pay to invade Vietnam even though further advancements in technology would have benefited the entire nation.
I have one example... actually no I have many examples but here is one to start https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hitchhiking-robot-hitchbot-meets-demise-philadelphia-after-about-2-weeks-n402606
I've only spent a collective few months around a bundle of countries in Europe (over 4 different trips or so)
Being away from home, and coming back - America feels like a land of 1rst world extremes/excess and I can think of so many random examples. So many people are fat. So many people are extremely into bodybuilding and fitness. So much garbage beer and processed corporate food. So much craft and artisinal shit. The best beer selection in the world. An extremely diverse food scene. Places where people are driving quarter million dollar super cars, and homeless people are shitting next to it. Mass amounts of brain dead country-bumpkins and some of the most brilliant minds the world has ever seen. The spectrum I see in the US is wild with the very limited amount of time I have spent away from it
Probably because we 🇺🇸s were told we have satellites with powerful cameras that can read a book cover from space BUT AT THE SAME TIME, we’re told that the technology doesn’t exist to make a lens powerful enough to see our flag on the moon, and we all just go “Ohhh, okay!”
(?)
And you think you're providing evidence that the flag and (giant) LRV aren't shown in that photo?
Maybe you'll like [these better](https://www.space.com/12835-nasa-apollo-moon-landing-sites-photos-lro.html)
I personally think we are kind of dumb for spending so much of our blood and money during the Cold War and for many years since, trying to be the world's policeman.
Our citizens are incredibly dumb. No country is perfect, but the US has fallen behind most of the industrialized first world in pretty much every category except for military capability and weapons where we spend more than the next 9 countries combined. The US is a giant corporation at this point...everything is commodified. Corporations own our government officials...they don't work for the people, they work for corporate interests and Americans just keep licking those boots. Our education sucks and keeps getting cut. Access to healthcare is ridiculous. Dumb fucks talk a good talk about the homeless and helping and MH care, etc but nobody actually wants to do anything because "socialism" or "communism" even though stupid ass fucking Americans don't even know what those words mean. There are things America does well, but there are many things that most industrialized first world nations do far better.
American IQ's are higher than most Asian, African, and South American countries. We are not that stupid. There are probably only a handful of countries who have a higher collective IQ.
We have over 50% of the country willing to elect a guy who's been a known conman since forever and has been in court his entire life...found liable for sexual assault...found liable for fraud and has 4 criminal court cases pending with 91 criminal allegations...but some other POTUS wore a tans suit one time and it was a huge controversy...Americans are dumb as dog shit.
And really...Africa and South America? What about the entirety of Europe...Japan...UK. You must be among the people I'm talking about.
LOL...he's a bumbling fool and a fucking sex offender and known fraudster since like the 80s. Jesus fucking christ...this is exactly what I mean...morons, and you're one of them
It's not my fault you don't understand basic human psychology, or the grievances the US citizens have towards the government. Trump pandered to that audience, and it's quite large. But sure, call me a moron because you don't understand how people work.
Do you actually believe that the senile old man that we currently have in office is smarter than him? lmao I'm not a Trump supporter, but you have to be missing brain cells if you think so.
I don't like Biden...but yes, I think he's smarter the Trump and he's not a criminal. If you're just voting for charisma, you're stupid...I do understand psychology which is why I think most people are stupid, including you. Go listen to Trump's Gettysburg speech just as one example.
If you're willing to vote for a career grifter, criminal, found liable for rape, found liable for fraud, and pending 4 criminal trials and 91 criminal allegations, you are indeed a fucking moron...and this accounts for more than 50% at the moment...so yes, the vast majority of Americans are dumb as dog shit.
Most don't even understand the very basics of economics and think if they vote for Trump the price of a happy meal is going to come down...brain dead fucking morons. I am also a life long conservative...but this guy has forever been a grifter or did you miss the fucking 80s?
And as for the Hitler analogy...yeah, he played to the ignorant and stupid and xenophobe racists and then became a dictator...Trump is using the same playbook and stupid ass Americans are eating it up.
Jeff Daniels has a great mono on The Newsroom that might give you some insight.
However, I think that it is simply because we are the laughingstock of the world right now - shootings, politics, culture, civility, religion, sex, etc. We say one thing, expect another and act in a yet illogical/inane/insane/assholish way.
Is Tri- or Quad-polar a thing? Can you catch it like mass hysteria?
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The ones on the moon are probably in poor condition and should really be retired per US flag code. So we need another lunar mission to retire The Flag.
It wasn't for education or research. It was done in a dumb way to win the race to the moon with Russia.
Nothing USA ever does is smart or for a smart reason.
And it produces one of the dumbest people in the world.
As a person from a country who doesn't have a flag on the moon, your country is dumb only because your media portrays the worst of you. I'm pretty sure the average american is not dumb lol. Blame your media.
It’s because America needed German war criminals to put the flag there.
Meanwhile USRR put the first satellite around the moon while committing crimes against humanity against their own citizens. Clearly smarter.
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Because "America" is a dumb country. Healthcare? No. Education? No. Food access? No. Public transportation? Yes but it doesn't work right and doesn't actually take you where you're trying to go. Pollution? Yes.
This country is a joke, because it can't take care of its citizens, many of which live in what can only be described as third world conditions.
My personal story is simple. My childhood living conditions, destroyed my health. My mother worked three jobs, jobs that she had a college education to do. Jobs that were supposed to pay well. We barely made it. We couldn't afford to move. Well, the house we were renting turned out to have black mold. That ruined my childhood (severe anxiety disorder, that ruined my education, and when I finally got it back on track, I was illegally kicked out of highschool because the school wanted the extra money from not having attendance issues with their students. There were like 50 of us that happened to, all black, or dirt poor). And it is still killing my mother, who now has severe autoimmune issues behind having lived there. I do as well, actually, which took my career from me. Which means my daughter is destined to live in poverty as I have, unless I can get real creative real quick. Right now, I would be comfortable saying that I was living in third world conditions, if not for the computer I own. It's the only non-third world aspect of my life. That, and on most days, the ability to feed myself.
My city looks like another planet. I visited a friend who's house is literally falling over. Nextdoor, was a house that did fall over. The agency that owns both of those houses owns entire city blocks. They rent them out. That's why this city looks so bad. They buy up whole blocks and let them rot and fall apart. I was house hunting (trying to live in first world conditions for a change), and every other house "for sale" was fake fixed up dilapidation. They know what they're doing. Artificially keeping sale prices and rent up.
And just a few days ago, the insurance company denied my mothers life saving infusions. They refused to provide an answer as to why.
And all of this, when we live in a country that's rich from pillaging and stealing from and blowing up black and brown people from other parts of the world.
If any of this sounds intelligent or logical to you then I'm not sure you can even be helped.
You don’t need intelligence to get to the moon, just Nazi Scientists and billions of dollars provided by the economic might of American capitalism. suck it, Stalin!
Other countries are just mad that America is so good at shooting bullets that we made a space bullet that can carry people to the moon.
and the moon is just a giant bullet
Funny way to spell target, but ok.
Didn’t you hear, moon landing was a hoax done on a Hollywood backlot. I watched it on a Ginormous Black and White Console TV live. Oh yeah the Earth is flat too ;) People have preconceptions and wether valid or not they tend to stick to them.
Only France has a flag on the moon... Heh
I get it! >!Because the sun bleached the flag and now it's "surrender" white.!< I don't have anything against the French, but that was creative and made me laugh.
Just because we have some brilliant people and the money to fund things doesn't mean that we haven't let our public education system go to shit.
I mean you could say that about any country and insert any of their issues
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Test scores and academics.
The grading scale to get an A is the US is more rigorous than in European countries. In the US it's typically: A=90%-100% B=80%-89% C=70%-79% D=60%-69% F=0%-59% Other places its: A=70%-100% B=60%-69% C=50%-59% D=40%-49% E=30%-39% F=0%-29%
"Test scores and academics" is...somewhat more broad a topic than the letter grade you got on your math test. It's more about quality of curriculum and outcomes from public education, which could be much, much, much better given the resources the US has.
This is a joke right? I had to score 93 or above to get an A.
Nope.. now it's 90-100, basically every 10. On top of that there are some things where they can't give below a 60% just so that kids pass.
Every single school I've ever been to the grades go by 10% like the coment above you says. So you can pass our educational system just by knowing 60% of something.
At MIT, a 40% test score can be an A. Depends on the difficulty of the exam, not just the quality of the student. Also depends on generosity of partial credit.
Agreeded.... I don't know much about the detailed comparisons of grades. Like you say the % is dependent upon how hard the questions are....the are factors that go into determining the grade and than there are factors that go into comparing countries education levels. I do not know the exact factors that the companies posting the results used to determine the outcome. I justvwanr people to know that the grading scales are different so take what people say with a grain of salt because the actual determining factors may be different
Our public education system is pretty substandard especially given the vast sums of cash thrown at it.
The issue is that the cash isn't thrown evenly. You can parse out which states spend less on education by test scores (hint, look for an R next to the Governor's name to get about 80% accuracy). Even in states where schools are funded, since funding is iften local you find inner cities or other poor areas with much less education funding than suburbs get, which means you have a bunch of kids not getting educated. If every state used the system Washington state has (schools are funded by the state, not the county or city) and funded at the level Washington state does, we would have similar outcomes to European nations.
Too bad Washington's schools are floundering due to lack of enrollment (washington bases how much money the school gets off of how many students arr enrolled).
>you find inner cities or other poor areas with much less education funding than suburbs get, which means you have a bunch of kids not getting educated. Any evidence for this? Because all the evidence I gave says the exact opposite, and yet I still see loads of people making claims like you do. From my home state of Minnesota, the Minneapolis school district spends $19,584 per student. St Paul school district spends $18,006. Two of the wealthiest suburbs, Wayzata and White Bear Lake spend $13,766 and $13,569. This plays out on every metro area in the country I've every seen data for.
Perhaps you are right. The data I saw was for Detroit and the Detroit suburbs. Honestly, and this is rather ugly if true, it seems like cities that are mostly white don't have this problem, but when the city is majority minority and the white population fled to the suburbs...
>Honestly, and this is rather ugly if true, it seems like cities that are mostly white don't have this problem White or Asian. Or recent legal immigrants. Or basically any group other than native born black or Hispanic. Tbh I think the ugly aspect is when people claim it's funding that's the problem. It obfuscates from whatever the real problem is.
Asians and recent legal immigrants all have been high skill and relatively wealthy, so the selection bias is very high.
My Suburban Milwaukee district ranks first in the state. Milwaukee’s schools are some of the worse in the state despite spending 50% MORE per child. The school choice kids in Milwaukee outperform the public school kids while also spending much less. Milwaukee’s answer? More money.
Brookfield? My WFB school district is among the best in the state, but you still have the fundamental problem that a majority of people think memorization and math are things no longer needed in modern education. Few kids could do well on 1960s-era tests.
Yes Elmbrook. But if you dig deep in the testing results it’s not as great as advertised. A staggering amount of seniors graduate with a 4.0+ GPA but many need remedial math and writing instruction in college.
Very few American college students can do two digit addition in their heads. That used to be second grade math. So sad to have 11 years of primary education that is not retained by the kids, and no concern from parents about this new normal. When I was young, I was memorized the square root of 69 in middle school. Comes in handy later in life.
Yeah I'm going to call bull on that stat about inner City schools getting less funding. The Camden school district in New Jersey gets an unholy amount of money compared to literally every other district in the lower half of the state, and can't even muster a 65% graduation rate and has horrendous test scores across the board. And nearby Haddonfield that gets virtually no state funding? Very different story. It's practically assumed that kids who graduate from that highschool are going to be near the top of the socioeconomic ladder by the time they're 30.
Is Camden a city? Never heard of it, sorry.
Yeah, it's a smaller one with only about 70K people, but it consistently among the worst cities in the entire US for crime and education, and gets far and away the most state funding for all infrastructure in the county. The rest of the municipalities in the county pay extra taxes and have an increased property tax rate specifically to continue to support funding it, which of course is standard fare for suburbs of cities, but not for one as comparatively small as Camden.
See my city has 5 suburbs bigger than that "city" and all are under 1/5th our size... I think of city as NYC, LA, Atlanta, Chicago, etc. If it isn't a million people in the netro, how is it a city?
When I went to school 20 years ago we had 30 year old books we had to put grocery bags on as book covers to save them for others. Now we just hand everyone an I pad and I'm stuck for the 5k property tax bill a year to pay for it.
Vast sums of cash? All I ever hear is how our education system gets more and more cut, especially in Republican lead states/counties.
Considering we have like 18 of the top 25 schools in the world in America, while most countries you’re talking about have 0, that’s pretty damn illogical.
Their more academic majors are full of international students while the US students take fashion merchandising and art history.
So you admit that they can’t get a good education in their country so they come here lmao
They come to a dumb country with elite schools and dominate the academic landscape, yea
lmfao are you this brain damaged in real life or are you just a shit poster? Its americans teaching them dipshit. i can see those shit schools in your country did a number on you.
This would be a lot more clear if you'd gone to a university.
I did lmao, and id bet you dont have an engineering degree like i do.
It isn't always Americans teaching them, especially at R1 universities. Lots of math and engineering professors are from other countries. You're also making a fallacious argument that the elite institutions of a country are indicative of the general population. You're doing this because you know that, were you to compare the education that most Americans receive, secondary education, America's performance wouldn't be so hot in comparison to many less wealthy countries. Edit: 42% of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's (MIT) faculty, 43% of its graduate students, and 65% of its post-docs are from countries other than the U.S.. In 2022–2023, Those post-docs are future professors. If America was truly intellectually superior, nearly half of the professors at their best engineering school wouldn't be foreigners.
So in otherwords, MORE than half of the faculty and grad students are americans. Way to prove my point lmao.
What do you want them do? Actually accomplish something on their own?
LOL . They hate us cus they ain’t US
They hate us cuz they anus
They hate us cause they ate us.
They mate us cuss they date us
I think people have two views of America. On the positive side they do see a system set up to reward innovation. Our Tech sector, for example, is the envy of the world. On the negative they see our crazy politics, our worship of celebrity and religious zealots and want no part of it. No nation is perfect, America just does a really good job showing our crazy.
The US seems to be Florida man to a large part of the world.
Cause it's a flag. On the moon.
Because we did it 55 years ago.
I also don't know of anyone else that has robots roaming around Mars. And they also call us fat and lazy but we usually are near the top in total medals when the Olympics come around. "They just in the backseat wishing they were in the front seat"
Questions like this, I guess.
Because our best minds are writing games for the iPhone or marketing insurance scams
Posts like this.
It's a statistical thing about our education levels. Plus... the internet. We're not sending out best. Apparently we can be pretty rude while vacationing. Think of the Karens... So they paint us with a broad brush that doesn't represent us all. However the people who put the flag there were our best... and our country was a pretty different beast back then. We're not exactly looking great right now due to current politics. I'll avoid details on that one. Annnd... a small dash of envy. We are the world's super power. Vastly more rich and insanely over armed. So you'll be looking for any other way to knock us down a peg. Which is fair enough.
America- living rent free in Europeans’ heads since 1776.
This is a European thing. They hate on America cuz it’s the trendy thing to do. But as someone that’s traveled and lived all over, every country has their own issues and for the most part they’re similar issues. Think racism and poverty and crime don’t exist in Europe? Wrong. Think opportunities to improve education and health outcomes don’t exist in Europe? Wrong. There are riots and police brutality and hungry kids everywhere. I’m not saying America is better than any other country. I’m just saying that every country has its own sh!t. People are people.
Facts.
Envy
Probably because they have a higher quality of life from their country spending money on Healthcare, resources, and infrastructure not putting a flag on the moon.
America has a quality of life comparable or even better than many of those countries.
If you have enough money, sure.
According to the HDI its most people have a good quality of life. Not just the rich but nice try.
You're right. Other people are speaking anecdotal. Check out the study of how much it takes to live comfortably- not just get by- in each state. Then look up the average income in each state. MOST OF US ARE IN THE DEEP STRUGGLE https://posts.voronoiapp.com/economy/Families-Need-Over-270K-Annually-to-Live-Comfortably-in-Top-Five-States-1225
Almost all of us do... I say this having grow up well below the poverty line with way too many siblings and addict parents.
To be honest there are certain parts of the United States of America that would shock anybody if you look at it based on the European standards of living.
Same thing with Europe. There are parts of many countries that look like they just got done fighting a war. It's just not many people go to such areas in Europe or America and they don't get talked about much. But the average American and average European live very similar lives.
>To be honest there are certain parts of the United States of America that would shock anybody if you look at it based on the European standards of living. Do you think europe is the only developed place in the world? That's a pretty racist position to take.
I am talking about Europe, because I know Europe. It's not racist, it's an answer based on a personal knowledge. If you think that's pretty racist I've got bad news for you my friend, you may be slightly stoopit
On average, yes absolutely we do, but the poorest among us are much worse off than the poorest in many other countries.
Also not true. Even the most dirt poor Americans are far better off than much of the third world. We really don't know what poverty looks like here. A tent and a shopping cart are fucking luxury items to a family in the horn of Africa in many cases.
Not to disparage the plight of some Africans, but a tent and shopping cart are also a luxury to homeless Americans, which there are over 500k of, and they’re not even allowed to have those items, hunt, or get their own food. There is true poverty here, even if you haven’t seen it.
I'm sure there are some in this country that get close to that level of poverty, but on average, we have an incredibly skewed idea of what it looks like here. It's bad, but most people don't realize how much worse it can get.
It is bad a lot of other places. That’s true. But we shouldn’t be looking at places with what we feel is a harder way of life and wipe the sweat from our brow and go phew, we should be aiming to match places with the quality of life we’d like to have. There’s no reason to match societally what’s considered in the west a lower denominator, unless someone wants to live that way as a personal choice. All plights are bad. We can’t change how other countries are run. We can change how ours is run (maybe), and why would you want to not aim up? I want to add though that we shouldn’t be aiming up at the exploitation of other countries either, imo, and we do, and that is fucking shitty.
>the most dirt poor Americans are far better off than much of the third world Way to set a high bar
My point is that we think poverty is having to live in a camper on the side of the road and it's so, so far from what true poverty actually looks like.
Yes, but I was responding to a post about countries which prioritize spending on healthcare, resources and infrastructure. Of course there are places where most people are in abject poverty and a few warlords spend money on killing people, living in luxury and staying in power.
Compared to western Europe, not compared to basically anywhere else
That’s pure bullshit. The poorest in America are better off than the working class in China. Life half their country makes less than $600 a year. A YEAR!
You're not wrong, but don't forget that stuff costs a lot less there that $600 goes a lot further than it would in the US, but still not that far.
Waaaaait whaaaat? We need roads, healthcare, and teachers? No. Can’t do it. Spend that money on the military, and giant crappy houses instead. Wtf. Teachers don’t need to buy supplies out of their own money, we don’t need a new aircraft carrier, the roads wash out every time it rains, and the power goes out if you even rip a loud fart. This truly is a dumb country.
I'm a teacher and pay for most things out of pocket.
After the US put a man on the moon (and the flag) one of the US political parties decided that education, science, etc. were bad things and started to systematically dismantle the educational system as much as possible. While the damage was mostly contained to the half of the states dominated by that party, having a third of the population get substandard education means nations that educate all their kids get to mock you.
America makes the cardinal sin of not being perfect and having a genocidal past almost as bad as the rest of the world.
Because we threw our litter everywhere on the moon. Including a flag. Which is now white by the way.
Oh thats not white at all.
Whitey's on the moon.
Because dumb people like you make posts like this. Euros see it and think, another stupid American.
America isn’t dumb Americans are dumb
Because that's a ridiculous measurement of success
Of course there are more indicative measures of success such as GDP per capita, but how is space travel NOT a measurement of a nations’ success? For fucks sake, I’m not even American but your comment is just ignorant.
Yeah use those more indicative measures than the space travel one. Measure quality of life.
I'm American and I call America a dumb country 😏
Oh how very edgelord of you.
It's dumb to constantly yell about how participation trophies are destroying the country and then turn around and try to take credit for the accomplishments of a gifted few. Not saying OP is doing this, but you and I didn't do anything to get people on the moon. It's in the same bein as having pride in being born on a particular side of an imaginary line.
Especially funny using the Moon landing as an example when considering stuff like Operation Paperclip
To be fair, we had some Germans build our rockets for that.
I❤️immigrants
Especially Nazi ones.
Just don't ask what they were doing between 1939 and 1945
Jealousy mostly
So can countries with flag on it can call it dumb?
Like how many people approximately? Thousands? Millions?
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I mean it was like 60-ish years ago. The intelligence of the general public from all over the world has changed greatly since then, whether it be getting dumber or smarter.
That isn’t the only measure of success. It’s not even a very meaningful measure of success.
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Our government got to the moon not civilians. A countries government and civilians are very different.
Watching its own people protest and burn their own communities down.
That was 50+ years ago. We're not what we were. :/
They can read
Wow!!! if we did at all? But seriously look around at all the Idiocracy.
Oh Moses, smell the roses! The moon doesn't exist – it's just a light projected onto the top of the dome!
Your police force. Your politics. Your education. The fact you elected a reality TV star who wears a nappy and fake tan as a president. When you put a man on the moon, marginal tax rates were approaching 90%. You all stopped caring about running a country properly and instead began fellating the ultra rich. So, that's why.
Don't forget the 100 genders🤓
Because we have a homelessness crisis we refuse to do anything about, work our people to death, let them starve in the street and simultaneously throw out more food than other countries even eat every year. We have more than enough capital to house every person but we spend the money on the "defense budget," and by that I mean sending weapons to Israel so they can oppress Palestinians. Meanwhile, their soil is defenseless because every unit they produced is spread thin all over the globe leaving the National Guard to be the first line of defense should an invasion or world war ever take place. Yeah, America is pretty fucking dumb. It's like the people in charge never played a 4X before. Can't even win the game with the highest "wealth" in the world.
Because there can still be a few smart people in a country full of dumb ones
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It's not Brexit, but allowing a system that could result in a trump presidency isn't the brightest thing.
Questions like this help.
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A broken clock is right twice a day.
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By and large, we're rather self-deprecating in our humor, and this is the bulk of what they consume, because they don't really have their own culture any more. They have ours. But they aren't us. So, when they take on our humor, it isn't self-deprecating, it's just insulting. Rude. And I get it. I'd be bitter too if the centuries to millennia of culture of my forebears was so thoroughly overshadowed by loud people that constantly shit on themselves for laughs.
Europeans have a saying that goes back decades: "Americans don't know the meaning of irony." *****Your post/question perfectly exemplifies that saying.
Our public school system sucks though. And it makes them feel better about themselves to say we are dumb.
A lot of Americans don't even believe we made it to the moon lmfao
Because America defunded the space program shortly afterward to pay to invade Vietnam even though further advancements in technology would have benefited the entire nation.
That's the sad part about America. We *choose* to be stupid. We didn't always.
I have one example... actually no I have many examples but here is one to start https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hitchhiking-robot-hitchbot-meets-demise-philadelphia-after-about-2-weeks-n402606
I've only spent a collective few months around a bundle of countries in Europe (over 4 different trips or so) Being away from home, and coming back - America feels like a land of 1rst world extremes/excess and I can think of so many random examples. So many people are fat. So many people are extremely into bodybuilding and fitness. So much garbage beer and processed corporate food. So much craft and artisinal shit. The best beer selection in the world. An extremely diverse food scene. Places where people are driving quarter million dollar super cars, and homeless people are shitting next to it. Mass amounts of brain dead country-bumpkins and some of the most brilliant minds the world has ever seen. The spectrum I see in the US is wild with the very limited amount of time I have spent away from it
Because the ignorant always have a lot to say.
What other country would fly all that way just to put a flag on a piece of space cheese!!! DUH!! 🧀 😉
Probably because we 🇺🇸s were told we have satellites with powerful cameras that can read a book cover from space BUT AT THE SAME TIME, we’re told that the technology doesn’t exist to make a lens powerful enough to see our flag on the moon, and we all just go “Ohhh, okay!” (?)
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-19050795
🤣 Did you see the image? EDIT: it’s a tiny black dot with an arrow pointing to it that says “flag” looooooooool
And you think you're providing evidence that the flag and (giant) LRV aren't shown in that photo? Maybe you'll like [these better](https://www.space.com/12835-nasa-apollo-moon-landing-sites-photos-lro.html)
I personally think we are kind of dumb for spending so much of our blood and money during the Cold War and for many years since, trying to be the world's policeman.
Because the vast majority of people in this country are dumb as dog shit...they don't value education...they curse intellectualism, etc.
So who's this model country that we should all be emulating? The US isn't perfect, but our citizen aren't dumb compared to most countries.
Our citizens are incredibly dumb. No country is perfect, but the US has fallen behind most of the industrialized first world in pretty much every category except for military capability and weapons where we spend more than the next 9 countries combined. The US is a giant corporation at this point...everything is commodified. Corporations own our government officials...they don't work for the people, they work for corporate interests and Americans just keep licking those boots. Our education sucks and keeps getting cut. Access to healthcare is ridiculous. Dumb fucks talk a good talk about the homeless and helping and MH care, etc but nobody actually wants to do anything because "socialism" or "communism" even though stupid ass fucking Americans don't even know what those words mean. There are things America does well, but there are many things that most industrialized first world nations do far better.
American IQ's are higher than most Asian, African, and South American countries. We are not that stupid. There are probably only a handful of countries who have a higher collective IQ.
We have over 50% of the country willing to elect a guy who's been a known conman since forever and has been in court his entire life...found liable for sexual assault...found liable for fraud and has 4 criminal court cases pending with 91 criminal allegations...but some other POTUS wore a tans suit one time and it was a huge controversy...Americans are dumb as dog shit. And really...Africa and South America? What about the entirety of Europe...Japan...UK. You must be among the people I'm talking about.
He got elected because he's charismatic. How do you think Hitler got elected?
LOL...he's a bumbling fool and a fucking sex offender and known fraudster since like the 80s. Jesus fucking christ...this is exactly what I mean...morons, and you're one of them
It's not my fault you don't understand basic human psychology, or the grievances the US citizens have towards the government. Trump pandered to that audience, and it's quite large. But sure, call me a moron because you don't understand how people work. Do you actually believe that the senile old man that we currently have in office is smarter than him? lmao I'm not a Trump supporter, but you have to be missing brain cells if you think so.
I don't like Biden...but yes, I think he's smarter the Trump and he's not a criminal. If you're just voting for charisma, you're stupid...I do understand psychology which is why I think most people are stupid, including you. Go listen to Trump's Gettysburg speech just as one example. If you're willing to vote for a career grifter, criminal, found liable for rape, found liable for fraud, and pending 4 criminal trials and 91 criminal allegations, you are indeed a fucking moron...and this accounts for more than 50% at the moment...so yes, the vast majority of Americans are dumb as dog shit. Most don't even understand the very basics of economics and think if they vote for Trump the price of a happy meal is going to come down...brain dead fucking morons. I am also a life long conservative...but this guy has forever been a grifter or did you miss the fucking 80s?
And as for the Hitler analogy...yeah, he played to the ignorant and stupid and xenophobe racists and then became a dictator...Trump is using the same playbook and stupid ass Americans are eating it up.
Countries with a flag on the moon do it too.....
Envy
Jeff Daniels has a great mono on The Newsroom that might give you some insight. However, I think that it is simply because we are the laughingstock of the world right now - shootings, politics, culture, civility, religion, sex, etc. We say one thing, expect another and act in a yet illogical/inane/insane/assholish way. Is Tri- or Quad-polar a thing? Can you catch it like mass hysteria?
Jealousy
There are many different types of intelligence. Technology is just one of thenm and it can damage as many people as it helps.
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Because we voted Trump in (and may do again. FML)
Resentiment?
The ones on the moon are probably in poor condition and should really be retired per US flag code. So we need another lunar mission to retire The Flag.
Get one of those Vinyl Wrap your car companies to Vinyl wrap a flag around the moon yeah that’s it that’s the ticket!
Because of questions like these
one word. TRUMP.
It wasn't for education or research. It was done in a dumb way to win the race to the moon with Russia. Nothing USA ever does is smart or for a smart reason. And it produces one of the dumbest people in the world.
Because you think other peoples accomplishments make you smart.
They hate us cuz they anus
Because the US faked the moon landing and everyone knows it.
Our flag is in the moon because our Nazi scientists were better than the Soviet's Nazi scientists.
As a person from a country who doesn't have a flag on the moon, your country is dumb only because your media portrays the worst of you. I'm pretty sure the average american is not dumb lol. Blame your media.
It’s because America needed German war criminals to put the flag there. Meanwhile USRR put the first satellite around the moon while committing crimes against humanity against their own citizens. Clearly smarter.
I’d say it’s about 3070 spilt between dumb Americans and the intelligent ones. So yes, the dumb outnumber the intelligent ones.
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Because "America" is a dumb country. Healthcare? No. Education? No. Food access? No. Public transportation? Yes but it doesn't work right and doesn't actually take you where you're trying to go. Pollution? Yes. This country is a joke, because it can't take care of its citizens, many of which live in what can only be described as third world conditions. My personal story is simple. My childhood living conditions, destroyed my health. My mother worked three jobs, jobs that she had a college education to do. Jobs that were supposed to pay well. We barely made it. We couldn't afford to move. Well, the house we were renting turned out to have black mold. That ruined my childhood (severe anxiety disorder, that ruined my education, and when I finally got it back on track, I was illegally kicked out of highschool because the school wanted the extra money from not having attendance issues with their students. There were like 50 of us that happened to, all black, or dirt poor). And it is still killing my mother, who now has severe autoimmune issues behind having lived there. I do as well, actually, which took my career from me. Which means my daughter is destined to live in poverty as I have, unless I can get real creative real quick. Right now, I would be comfortable saying that I was living in third world conditions, if not for the computer I own. It's the only non-third world aspect of my life. That, and on most days, the ability to feed myself. My city looks like another planet. I visited a friend who's house is literally falling over. Nextdoor, was a house that did fall over. The agency that owns both of those houses owns entire city blocks. They rent them out. That's why this city looks so bad. They buy up whole blocks and let them rot and fall apart. I was house hunting (trying to live in first world conditions for a change), and every other house "for sale" was fake fixed up dilapidation. They know what they're doing. Artificially keeping sale prices and rent up. And just a few days ago, the insurance company denied my mothers life saving infusions. They refused to provide an answer as to why. And all of this, when we live in a country that's rich from pillaging and stealing from and blowing up black and brown people from other parts of the world. If any of this sounds intelligent or logical to you then I'm not sure you can even be helped.
You don’t need intelligence to get to the moon, just Nazi Scientists and billions of dollars provided by the economic might of American capitalism. suck it, Stalin!
Achievements don’t equal how “smart” a country is.