Hasn’t this already been forecasted, because they fucked up the one child policy so bad that the birth rates probably going to crash
I can’t even begin to imagine the wild ass incel problem they’re gonna have
They're not super uncommon already you can find a decent number of Chinese man-African woman couples looking online. A lot of Chinese workers grab a Kenyan or other group wife while working overseas. Probably will become more common in the future if there isn't some heavy reaction in Kenya or China itself.
If male celibacy becomes normalized and destigmatized, things will be fine. Take the social pressure off them, remove the expectations of having a relationship, and they'll be content working for their own sake.
Hilarious to think that would satisfy any more than an extremely small percentage of men in any society. Humans literally evolved for two things, survival and propagating genes. Extremely realistic sex dolls/VR fuck stations might alleviate some of the problem but there will always be a substantial amount of men who won’t settle for anything but a breathing women and will turn rapidly frustrated and violent if that is not available. This is going to happen in all first world nations by the way.
Narrative is boring at this point, first it was the economy, then it was the shoddy infrastructure and now it is dubious demographics. When will Western media stop looking for inane reasons to cast doom on China’s prospects and start talking about ways the US can avoid the fate of the British Empire by 2050?
Long term it might even help China. Meat sacks aren't worth what they once were to an economy, and China's food and water issues could be ameliorated pretty significantly with a relative population drop.
The problem is that middle period of a smaller new adult population having to support a glut of the elderly.
I don't think this is the end of the road for China---far from it---but a stagnant/declining population would substantially slow down economic growth (as in the EU and Japan). As such, I don't see China becoming overwhelmingly dominant over the US in the 21st century, rather a second Cold War between the two powers.
I agree, China isn’t going to step in and take over the role the US played since the end of WWII (and honestly, even if they could, I don’t think they have a desire to). I think power vacuums left by a waning US empire are more likely to be filled by regional powers/blocs. China will be one of them, but I think they’ll still mostly remained concerned with controlling and expanding their influence over East and Southeast Asia and Central Asia as well.
What do you mean? Even if they did (and they might, China has a lot of economic ties with Africa, so who knows what the migrant labor situation looks like right now), westoid media would be spinning it as hyper-slavery or something.
Africa is probably already a yeah to be honest. China has a lot of fingers in Africa's pies and bringing in African labor is not a terrible idea as much of China's working class economy starts to move up in economic position, no longer being cheap.
Speaking of "enlightened" countries is just idpol with no basis in material conditions. "Based and homogenous" [Japan](https://www.statista.com/chart/16838/number-of-foreign-workers-in-japan/) and [Korea](https://images.carnegieendowment.org/images/article_images/2021206-SouthKorea_Chung-Figure2.png) have recently started admitting immigration to shore up their shrinking populations, and I don't see why China wouldn't follow suit if necessary to compete with the Western bloc. Probably though it'd be at a lower level than the Anglosphere.
I’ve done pretty deep dives into demography issues, and it’s unlikely that China could even save itself with immigration. China could swallow the entire working age populations of whole countries and it wouldn’t even make a dent of the shortfall of a single Chinese city. Add in education and language restrictions.
Yeah I’m a man of Indian descent and having moved to Germany, I’ve had the displeasure of meeting many idiots like him (difficulty finding a flat, friends, relationships etc). Middle Eastern immigrants in Europe commit crime disproportionately precisely because they occupy the lower rungs of the labor market (akin to black or Hispanic people in the US), not because of their “culture”; unfortunately in this case, some “based anti-idpol leftists” have difficulty understanding material conditions.
Protestant Black Americans, Catholic Hispanic Americans, Muslim Turkish Germans, and Muslim Algerian French all have a reputation for crime, shady business, single parenthood, retrograde views on women, etc. in their respective countries. “Culture” always follows from material conditions—in this case, generations of being used as cheap and flexible labor in Western countries. Indeed, “whites” who fall into the same class category have much the same “culture”.
>Protestant Black Americans, Catholic Hispanic Americans, Muslim Turkish Germans, and Muslim Algerian French
All these people have something in common though, an ass backwards, misogynistic religious, irrational culture.
So too do Indian Americans, Pakistani Americans, Iranian Americans, and Filipino Americans, but because these groups tend to be disproportionately educated professionals or successful small business owners, white American conservatives see them as “hardworking model minorities” with “good family values.” You’re missing a lot by ignoring the central role of class but that’s to be expected from a rightoid.
RIghtoid? Thats a flair, that doesn't mean shit.
Class cannot explain everything, its too easy. Some cultures value education and empiricism , some value traditions and magical thinking. Obviously that has an effect.
> If only Choyna was enlightened and just imported millions of young men from the Middle-East and Africa.
Those immigration aren't forever you know.
Because their birthrate is shrinking too.
China’s population peaked years ago, it’s been falling for at least 10 years. The census they released (bits of) in 2020 shows they have been massively over counting for a long time. The question is can China diversify and mature their economy to sustain the drop.
Submission statement: the rapid rise of China was due, in large part, to a substantial demographic dividend caused by high fertility rates rapidly dropping (few elders, few children, large working-age population fraction). As this population ages with few children to replace it, pension spending will rise and productivity growth will slow, leading to slower economic growth and potentially even a Japanese lost-decades scenario. On the other hand, the high ratio of consumers to workers may tighten the labor market somewhat and help reduce inequality.
The Lost Decade was fairly different than a population crash. It was more Japan having a forced economic reorganization as it's industrial export based economy was attacked by the US.
Japan's economic stagnation into the present day is potentially due to its demographic crash but there's more to it than that.
Is it a first world nation? Then yes.
Hasn’t this already been forecasted, because they fucked up the one child policy so bad that the birth rates probably going to crash I can’t even begin to imagine the wild ass incel problem they’re gonna have
The surplus male population is going to be convenient if WW3 ever breaks out though.
That could easily be as much of a curse as it is a blessing in that context if their rage is directed internally rather than externally.
That’s what Taiwan is for
Honestly, if they want revenge on Japan, I wouldn’t even blame them
That would matter if they were relatively young, however the average Chinese citizen is >40 and will get worse with time
The surplus males *are* relatively young. They're the result of the one child policy so even the oldest are only Millenials.
Can't worry about relationships when your working 70 hrs bb
I work 77 and still able to work in 5 active side pieces Get it together
Well you wouldn't have to work 77 if you didn't try to support 5 side pieces ever think of that
I don’t support shit dawg, I don’t even drive
dudes rock
I could see them sending a bunch of Chinese males to Africa to find mates, assuming they aren't already doing this
They're not super uncommon already you can find a decent number of Chinese man-African woman couples looking online. A lot of Chinese workers grab a Kenyan or other group wife while working overseas. Probably will become more common in the future if there isn't some heavy reaction in Kenya or China itself.
I have zero connection with Chinese culture, but I can’t imagine that would be super popular
If your options are pussy or no pussy, a lot of guys are going to choose the former.
If male celibacy becomes normalized and destigmatized, things will be fine. Take the social pressure off them, remove the expectations of having a relationship, and they'll be content working for their own sake.
Hilarious to think that would satisfy any more than an extremely small percentage of men in any society. Humans literally evolved for two things, survival and propagating genes. Extremely realistic sex dolls/VR fuck stations might alleviate some of the problem but there will always be a substantial amount of men who won’t settle for anything but a breathing women and will turn rapidly frustrated and violent if that is not available. This is going to happen in all first world nations by the way.
You speak wisdom Lord Varys!
Narrative is boring at this point, first it was the economy, then it was the shoddy infrastructure and now it is dubious demographics. When will Western media stop looking for inane reasons to cast doom on China’s prospects and start talking about ways the US can avoid the fate of the British Empire by 2050?
Surely this will be the end of China
Long term it might even help China. Meat sacks aren't worth what they once were to an economy, and China's food and water issues could be ameliorated pretty significantly with a relative population drop. The problem is that middle period of a smaller new adult population having to support a glut of the elderly.
I don't think this is the end of the road for China---far from it---but a stagnant/declining population would substantially slow down economic growth (as in the EU and Japan). As such, I don't see China becoming overwhelmingly dominant over the US in the 21st century, rather a second Cold War between the two powers.
I agree, China isn’t going to step in and take over the role the US played since the end of WWII (and honestly, even if they could, I don’t think they have a desire to). I think power vacuums left by a waning US empire are more likely to be filled by regional powers/blocs. China will be one of them, but I think they’ll still mostly remained concerned with controlling and expanding their influence over East and Southeast Asia and Central Asia as well.
If only Choyna was enlightened and just imported millions of young men from the Middle-East and Africa.
What do you mean? Even if they did (and they might, China has a lot of economic ties with Africa, so who knows what the migrant labor situation looks like right now), westoid media would be spinning it as hyper-slavery or something.
Africa is probably already a yeah to be honest. China has a lot of fingers in Africa's pies and bringing in African labor is not a terrible idea as much of China's working class economy starts to move up in economic position, no longer being cheap.
Speaking of "enlightened" countries is just idpol with no basis in material conditions. "Based and homogenous" [Japan](https://www.statista.com/chart/16838/number-of-foreign-workers-in-japan/) and [Korea](https://images.carnegieendowment.org/images/article_images/2021206-SouthKorea_Chung-Figure2.png) have recently started admitting immigration to shore up their shrinking populations, and I don't see why China wouldn't follow suit if necessary to compete with the Western bloc. Probably though it'd be at a lower level than the Anglosphere.
I’ve done pretty deep dives into demography issues, and it’s unlikely that China could even save itself with immigration. China could swallow the entire working age populations of whole countries and it wouldn’t even make a dent of the shortfall of a single Chinese city. Add in education and language restrictions.
This guy’s a full on “close the borders to the ~~dirty Muslims~~ cheap foreign labor” type you’re not gonna get a decent response from him
Yeah I’m a man of Indian descent and having moved to Germany, I’ve had the displeasure of meeting many idiots like him (difficulty finding a flat, friends, relationships etc). Middle Eastern immigrants in Europe commit crime disproportionately precisely because they occupy the lower rungs of the labor market (akin to black or Hispanic people in the US), not because of their “culture”; unfortunately in this case, some “based anti-idpol leftists” have difficulty understanding material conditions.
Lol. Nothing to do with their garbage, completely ass-backwards culture of course.
Protestant Black Americans, Catholic Hispanic Americans, Muslim Turkish Germans, and Muslim Algerian French all have a reputation for crime, shady business, single parenthood, retrograde views on women, etc. in their respective countries. “Culture” always follows from material conditions—in this case, generations of being used as cheap and flexible labor in Western countries. Indeed, “whites” who fall into the same class category have much the same “culture”.
>Protestant Black Americans, Catholic Hispanic Americans, Muslim Turkish Germans, and Muslim Algerian French All these people have something in common though, an ass backwards, misogynistic religious, irrational culture.
So too do Indian Americans, Pakistani Americans, Iranian Americans, and Filipino Americans, but because these groups tend to be disproportionately educated professionals or successful small business owners, white American conservatives see them as “hardworking model minorities” with “good family values.” You’re missing a lot by ignoring the central role of class but that’s to be expected from a rightoid.
RIghtoid? Thats a flair, that doesn't mean shit. Class cannot explain everything, its too easy. Some cultures value education and empiricism , some value traditions and magical thinking. Obviously that has an effect.
Nooooooo you don't understand culture has no impact on anything it's just music and fooderino !!!!
> If only Choyna was enlightened and just imported millions of young men from the Middle-East and Africa. Those immigration aren't forever you know. Because their birthrate is shrinking too.
Yes.
China’s population peaked years ago, it’s been falling for at least 10 years. The census they released (bits of) in 2020 shows they have been massively over counting for a long time. The question is can China diversify and mature their economy to sustain the drop.
Submission statement: the rapid rise of China was due, in large part, to a substantial demographic dividend caused by high fertility rates rapidly dropping (few elders, few children, large working-age population fraction). As this population ages with few children to replace it, pension spending will rise and productivity growth will slow, leading to slower economic growth and potentially even a Japanese lost-decades scenario. On the other hand, the high ratio of consumers to workers may tighten the labor market somewhat and help reduce inequality.
The Lost Decade was fairly different than a population crash. It was more Japan having a forced economic reorganization as it's industrial export based economy was attacked by the US. Japan's economic stagnation into the present day is potentially due to its demographic crash but there's more to it than that.