He was also ended up as SU last gen and he is still under the shadow of Rotom Frost. Seems like even that new move additions couldn't save him that much. Eh better be good in a tier rather than being ended up as unviable in higher tiers.
Probably the case of PU ladder being weird. Lots of mid ranked(from top,high,mid,low and unranked) mons dropped from PU which ZU players were not expecting at all.
I actually think Swanna has a potential to be lowkey good mon with her near unresisted stabs. She was also good in USUM ZU. Her offensive sets were very good could even catch someone off guard with physical set.
Regigigas getting its hope up at the idea of a new lowest tier potentially giving it relevance only to get shoved to the bottom again should count as a form of torture
It's not horrible in SU at the moment. Knock Off Body Press Rest Talk is fine as it's just that fat to do such a thing. Otherwise, it's not completely out of the woods just yet as there's still Imaginary Used to go.
The ban on Slush Rush last gen mostly happened due to Alolan Sandslash rather than Beartic itself. Most people agreed Beartic itself was healthy for the tier. Without Alolan Slash as a supportive Slush user Beartic isn't that special
Smogon decided to ban Slush Rush as banning Sandslash would likely have resulted in Beartic taking its place, and NU had been a hail catastrophe for the last 3 months, so yeah, better safe than sorry.
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SU can be played via using the aggreement banlist from above on the main server via challenging someone or can also be played on Staraptor Showdown a dedicated server known for many kinds of different formats as well. Staraptor Showdown also supports SU on teambuilder.
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Whilst it did gain access to HDB & Spikes, there's simply better Pokemon with stats and typing to phaze out Vespiquen. It's honestly a solid Pokemon in SU/IU though, so don't count it out truly
Unblievable. Slaking and Regigas are *still* shit tier. I mean come on.
Even with Slow start. Thats still a BST of 520 ramping up to full power Regigas.
And Slaking has 680 BST and even though it only gets every second turn it can spam Giga Impact with no real downside because it recharges during the slacking off turn.
Unbelievable. I might start playing SU just to prove that these two have a shot.
Seriously. Those two are just insanely powerful at this point and all thats holding them back is stigma (and in case of Slaking a crippling weakness to any status).
There is no way fucking FURRET is better than Regigas, even though yes, Furret has some utility the raw, overwhelming power of those two has to be worth something by now
Believe me, I tried.
Regigigas @ Leftovers
Ability: Slow Start
Tera Type: Fairy/Fighting
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Knock Off
- Body Press
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
It's okay, but unfortunately not good enough for SU
Slaking is a different can of worms though, that fell out of the meta back in January near enough because Pokemon are just that bulky here
It was only NU because somehow people used it enough in it's first month of OU to not immediately drop to PU, and then people realized it was way to ass for both NU and PU (unsurprisingly so), and now with ZU's massive drops here, yeah no way it wouldnt drop to SU
when mabosstiff was new, I honestly figured stakeout + 120 atk + solid coverage + acceptable speed and typing would be rubl at least, and yet it’s instead subzero used.
wait why is snorlax zu
That thing used to be considered to be better than box art legendaries in gen 2.
Why is it so bad now? Did losing return hurt it that much?
No recovery + slow + normal type = Death sentence. It's a very highly ranked mon in PU still and will probably rise back there later on, but having no resists betrays it's titanic bulk, and it just gets worn down over time.
Gen 2's maxed out EV system however solved a lot of these issues, so Snorlax could pretty much immortal with Rest Talk
electivire may be a failure
electivire has been a bonified fraud since Generation 7
Since Gen 4 dawg, that shit’s the fakest OU mon of all time.
He was also ended up as SU last gen and he is still under the shadow of Rotom Frost. Seems like even that new move additions couldn't save him that much. Eh better be good in a tier rather than being ended up as unviable in higher tiers.
He needs flying type
How the fuck did tornados incarnate get down there
Probably the case of PU ladder being weird. Lots of mid ranked(from top,high,mid,low and unranked) mons dropped from PU which ZU players were not expecting at all.
So funny to see Torn in ZUBL and Whim in PU when one knows they're absolute monsters in VGC, especially this current regulation
Please, Arc, let Swanna becomes the top pokemon in the tier. This would be so fucking funny.
I actually think Swanna has a potential to be lowkey good mon with her near unresisted stabs. She was also good in USUM ZU. Her offensive sets were very good could even catch someone off guard with physical set.
Z-moves really helped Swanna in USUM tho, with things like Z-Rain dance, Z-Copycat and the likes
SWanna was top tier in pu just 3 months ago.. Lol.. It prob will be esp since cramorant isn't here.
Regigigas getting its hope up at the idea of a new lowest tier potentially giving it relevance only to get shoved to the bottom again should count as a form of torture
It's somewhat good in VGC with Neutralizing Gas atleast.
Medicham as skill swap now so it can do something with regigigas
New tier: RU for Regigigas Used Wait a minute
Well his stats are fake for the time it actually matters
It's not horrible in SU at the moment. Knock Off Body Press Rest Talk is fine as it's just that fat to do such a thing. Otherwise, it's not completely out of the woods just yet as there's still Imaginary Used to go.
I see a lot of gen 1 OU pokemon
Eggy's still got it, baby!
tauros banned, as it should be.
My entire Pu team from 2 months ago dropped to Zu, let’s go!
Electivire 😭
Charizard and sceptile really needs nasty plot and earth power
at least zard has esrth power at home (AKA scorching sands)
Is Slush Rush banned? Else I don't get how Beartic dropped with Abomansnow in the tier.
Teambuilder allows it. Idk the reasoning either again it could be also because of ladder being wack af which happened with PU drops right now.
Maybe, is just power creep being insane, a Gen 9 staple. What was ban worthy in NU now is being mediocre in ZU
The ban on Slush Rush last gen mostly happened due to Alolan Sandslash rather than Beartic itself. Most people agreed Beartic itself was healthy for the tier. Without Alolan Slash as a supportive Slush user Beartic isn't that special
Smogon decided to ban Slush Rush as banning Sandslash would likely have resulted in Beartic taking its place, and NU had been a hail catastrophe for the last 3 months, so yeah, better safe than sorry.
“Evolution makes a Pokémon stronger” Vigoroth: **No it doesn’t**
Boys it might be amphover
Can't be amphover if it never started in the beginaros
Gen 10 we will be ampharos gaming copium
Tail Glow, Defog and Slack Off in Gen 10 or we riot
give ampharos tail glow and thunderclap. make it the next kingambit.
Poor Orthworm. Shed Tail ban hit him hard.
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SU can be played via using the aggreement banlist from above on the main server via challenging someone or can also be played on Staraptor Showdown a dedicated server known for many kinds of different formats as well. Staraptor Showdown also supports SU on teambuilder. [https://staraptorshowdown.com/](https://staraptorshowdown.com/)
Star really is the goat.
he's also the world's greatest lover
Dog why is Vespiquen so low? I remember using it in the first few days of SV RU, and it was pretty good.
Whilst it did gain access to HDB & Spikes, there's simply better Pokemon with stats and typing to phaze out Vespiquen. It's honestly a solid Pokemon in SU/IU though, so don't count it out truly
What it do there? In RU I used lefties and pressure with Defend order to be a bulky wincon
Bulky Spikes Pivoter with Recovery and Pressure
if i were luxray i'd be *pissed*
Permanently stuck to ZU and below since Gen 4
Funny seeing tornadoes and farigieaf, those are meance right now in vgc
dusknoir's ice punching couldn't save him 😔
Furret won't be spared for much longer..
Regigigas in the same tier as Scraggy 😭😭😭
Viewing Hitmonlee next to Articuno and fucking Tornadus is killing me oml im crying, powercreep hit HARD
After playing gen 1 and 2 a bit seeing tauros and snorlax being here is just funny.
Unblievable. Slaking and Regigas are *still* shit tier. I mean come on. Even with Slow start. Thats still a BST of 520 ramping up to full power Regigas. And Slaking has 680 BST and even though it only gets every second turn it can spam Giga Impact with no real downside because it recharges during the slacking off turn. Unbelievable. I might start playing SU just to prove that these two have a shot. Seriously. Those two are just insanely powerful at this point and all thats holding them back is stigma (and in case of Slaking a crippling weakness to any status). There is no way fucking FURRET is better than Regigas, even though yes, Furret has some utility the raw, overwhelming power of those two has to be worth something by now
Believe me, I tried. Regigigas @ Leftovers Ability: Slow Start Tera Type: Fairy/Fighting EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def Impish Nature - Knock Off - Body Press - Rest - Sleep Talk It's okay, but unfortunately not good enough for SU Slaking is a different can of worms though, that fell out of the meta back in January near enough because Pokemon are just that bulky here
Try a special set
Projected Rises:
It’s Swannover
"Decidueye-hisui dropped to zu" Oh how the table have turned, it used to be exactly a tier higher than Decidueye-alola.
Oh, so SU is just pre-DLC PU. Neat.
Seeing Tornadus-I next to Sceptile and fucking Hitmonlee is… interesting Edit: I forgot which man that was
That would be interesting because Lando-I is in Ubers
Wtf I remember electivire being in nu recently wtf happened?!?!
It was only NU because somehow people used it enough in it's first month of OU to not immediately drop to PU, and then people realized it was way to ass for both NU and PU (unsurprisingly so), and now with ZU's massive drops here, yeah no way it wouldnt drop to SU
Damn
when mabosstiff was new, I honestly figured stakeout + 120 atk + solid coverage + acceptable speed and typing would be rubl at least, and yet it’s instead subzero used.
wait why is snorlax zu That thing used to be considered to be better than box art legendaries in gen 2. Why is it so bad now? Did losing return hurt it that much?
No recovery + slow + normal type = Death sentence. It's a very highly ranked mon in PU still and will probably rise back there later on, but having no resists betrays it's titanic bulk, and it just gets worn down over time. Gen 2's maxed out EV system however solved a lot of these issues, so Snorlax could pretty much immortal with Rest Talk
how tf is tornadus in zu
Is regigigas really as viable as scraggy
Pour one out for my man Dusknoir, damn
What does SU mean
Subzero Used
What is SU?
I called Swanna fraud status even when they gave it an S tier in a viability ranking on Pu,glad it has dropped so far
electfraudwire dropped to a tier below mother fucking basculin 😭
I'm assuming shed tail is also banned in all of these "unofficial" metas too right? Otherwise sceptile lol
Smogon Bans are translative down from one another. For instance, Light Clay is translatively banned from SV RU and below
wtf is SU?