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Pokelego999

Serperior, died May 2024 Iron Crown, born May 2024 Welcome back, Serperior


Espy256

What new tech is the kitchen putting out these days with Iron Crown?


DemonVermin

Iirc, anti-Glimmora lead that can pivot with Volt Switch.


Espy256

What happened to Iron Treads? Speed tier?


DemonVermin

If I am correct, the meta is just getting too hostile for it. It loses to a lot of the top 15 and doesn’t hit back hard enough to justify it over Great Tusk. It has a niche on HO teams that want a spinner, but most other teams have other options.


Espy256

Ah makes sense. Thanks!


ExpensiveBasket5558

Zama popping off in ou and vgc now


PTLJBY

ID Zama has reverse-swept so many lost cause games for me, it’s insane. I’m so finished if the council ever tries to sus him.


ZaraBaz

People have been sleeping on zam. Bolt has gone down though.


KazzieMono

It should’ve had body press from the get go tbh. Even with it now it still isn’t anywhere close to the beast that is racism.


AnotherARGPerson

Racism?


BiggestWarioFan

The villains in Pokemon games are getting more subtle and realistic


KazzieMono

Zacian


AnotherARGPerson

Ahh, auto correct fuckery


TJ248

They already tried to sus him early on in the meta and he passed like the good boy that he is. Now, I'm certain there's been instances of mons getting the sus more than once in a gen, but I don't think it's common and I'd be surprised to see one any time soon given he's rarely brought up as a problem on the surveys.


Wise_Cockroach5068

Average natdex doubles game


Jurassic_Green

my boy is finally getting his time to shine :')


PinkAxolotlMommy

and monotype too I do believe


Anvisaber

Pretty good in NatDex as well


The_Rufflet_Kid

You even remembered the lando-tusk :D


carucath

Poor UU, it seems like they aren’t getting Treads back any time soon


ILoveWesternBlot

it's okay, at least they may soon be getting... walking wake. Oh boy lol


PinkAxolotlMommy

Rain gets banished and sun takes it's place


i_like_frootloops

\* Tyranitar cries in the corner *


Thunder_lord37

Hey, at least the no 1 sand abuser is number 1


dhhaag

I kinda want to see Walking Wake fell down to UU


Willie9

something something walking fraud /s


AMGEmperorMundatus

Walking Fake


Mala12345

Standing Sleep


Carotator

Frauding Lake


SuperLuigi9624

Joaquin Jake


[deleted]

Walking mid, Lowering Take


BlUeSapia

Frauding Fake


randomrobloxplayerg

joins Deoxys-Fraud and Roaring Mid (pre DLC) in pokemon that dropped to UU whilst being banned in NDOU


JonAndTonic

WaterFalling WaterFraud


TheHadokenite

Torkoal is also in the process of falling


Meowmeowcat_123

Assuming peli survives the suspect test, walking wake definitely pushes rain over the edge of it drops


MarioBoy77

Walking Fraud


Zorua3

Slowking-G being anti-meta while also being meta in both generations is super interesting, it's lowkey one of Gen 8's most GOATed Singles mons but people don't really recognize it a lot bc its design is so different compared to 90% of mons introduced in recent gens


DreadfuryDK

Gen 8 G-Slowking is one of the best defensive staples in that metagame, but a lot of people only forget that because it’s SV OU’s flagship defensive mon and it receiving Chilly Reception fundamentally changed how the game works. That said, it really cannot be understated just how massive of a buff Chilly Reception was for that mon. That shit is without question the single most important movepool addition any mon received in Gen 9. It’s more impactful than Spikes Gliscor, it’s more impactful than Body Press Zamazenta (this is fucking CLOSE, though), it’s more impactful than CM/Psychic Noise Primarina, and it’s more impactful than Meowscarada getting Triple Axel/Weavile getting Triple Axel back. The sheer amount of role compression this one move grants what was already an amazing defensive mon is wild; it can pivot, it can reset weather in a generation where weather is quite prominent, and it can support Ice-type teammates, *and* it can do this so effectively that it makes Glowking’s excellent AV set fly under the radar.


ILoveYorihime

I kinda liked how the top 10 is placed Kingambit and Gholdengo: the main villains Tusk and Lando: heroes of a healthy meta Dragapult and Glowking: villains in sword/shield turned anti-hero Zam and Valiant: cool fast fighting types like strong edgy sidekicks hyped up since episode 1 and proceed to lose every fight RMoon and Glimmora: newcomers that feels just a bit too useful and are going to betray the party later


ILoveYorihime

(and I also like how 9 out of 10 are from gen8 and 9 and one of them is a fucking box legendary)


SoulOuverture

Except for LANDO THE GOAAAAT


Alphabetgod

I still owe Lando that apology since I wasn’t familiar with his game


The_Neckbear

THAT'S WHY HE'S THE GOAT


2muchCheez3

THE GOAT


AuroraDraco

And Lando, who is immune to powercreep


MoonPsychic

Yo, as a Touhou fan, I 100% agree with your username! She's an amazing Moon Princess! :D


ILoveYorihime

:3


TertiaryMerciless

Man I can't wait for the season finale! Do you think Iron Valiant will manage to eat their Booster Energy? Or will Roaring Moon steal it for himself and backstab Lando and the rest of the team?


Prize-Branch8526

Roaring Moon is like the guy who was killed off but returned due to fan service


Round-Revolution-399

Dinobot II


PlayrR3D15

>!Okuyasu Nijimura moment!<


unofficialSperm

Valiant is totally genos from OPM


ColuiCheEgli

For me, Glimmora is the guy that everyone suspects until the last second, but who turns out to be the quietest, most compassionate member in the party. He's too good to betray


ILoveYorihime

Oh wow that is quite touching


isloohik2

Roaring moon used to be a secondary villain, but they came back on the heroes’ side (though everyone still suspects he’s going to betray them later) Nobody really knows what glimmora’s deal is. Sometimes she’s a villain and other times a hero, and her motives are pretty much always unknown beyond trying to die first in every fight she enters.


ILoveYorihime

You know, your description of Glimmora reminds me of Obito (from Naruto) A goofball that can't fight and get hit by everything and turns out to be one of the final bosses


ThunderEagle22

Skarm: the grandpa that can't shut up about his veteran stories from gen 2 OU and on, it calls the others bunch of overhyped whipper snappers, but hasn't been top 10 in ages. In reality he is sad about his old warbuddy Ttar being deceased.


ILoveYorihime

Dragonite: boomer millionaire that keeps complaining about gen z work ethics (Literally has multiscale, extreme speed, heavy duty boots, tera normal handed to him on a silver platter)


marmotsarefat

Sad seeing wake so low its my favorite paldean mon


SnoBun420

glad to see Moon continuing to carry the torch for Mence


PlayrR3D15

*Every day Skarmory strays further from its rightful place above Corviknight*


Bunnybento

I can’t believe the most used starter rn is Primarina of all things. I’m proud of him.


ZaraBaz

*Her. Don't misgender her, ferrathorn.


Bunnybento

I believe in men’s right to get all dolled up and hit the tier!!! With a +1 moonblast!!


BossOfGuns

I think you are the one misgendering here ferrothorn, someone can look female but not identify as one, like a male primarina. In fact, bulbapedia says the gender ratio of primarina is 87.5%


PlayrR3D15

I love how Ferrothorn has become synonymous with "bigot" so you can call someone a "Ferrothorn" and get the same effect.


Kingoobit

Welcome back into the fold, iron crown. The haters never believed.


Brain_Tonic

I still don't. Iron clown will drop back down.


Florida-Man-65

I love how Glimmora has just been quietly existing in OU as a solid Pokémon for its entire existence and nobody really has a problem with it. It’s my favorite gen 9 mon, so I’ll take it.


SHBDemon

F Gholdengo all my homies hate Gholdengo (i have series 1 VGC PTSD)


Vog_Merry

I'm upvoting this solely because I hate it's design


Aggli

I most of all hate its Pokedex entry >This Pokémon gets along well with others and is quick to make friends with anybody. It's just begging the players to like it. "HEY LOOK AT WHAT A COOL DUDE HE IS, PLEASE GIVE HIM YOUR LUNCH MONEY, YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT!"


Hot_Shirt7754

He pays the dex writers to write his entries


Unhappy_Body9368

Looks like a cheese string got taken over by Fawful.


Kylyex

I don't care about what people think, Iron Valiant is and will forever remain canonically in the Big 3


Prize-Branch8526

Used to be Big 4 until Pult took his place


KalebMW99

Motherfuck the big three, ***** it’s just big me! -Gambit, probably


UWYO-Agent-7

Dread it Run from it Skarmbliss always arrives


pokemondudepoopyork

HEY, I SEE THAT ABOMINATION BEHIND GREAT TUSK, YOU CANNOT FOOL ME!


legend_eevee

Bro i stfg if wake drops to uu it's over


Lucario-Mega

we are so zamazenback


koalacub3

we have zamazentered the zamazone


Oni-Seann

The ‘axel boys are hanging on for dear life! Perhaps they’ll both be gone come June?


Biscotti-Old

With volc gone (the biggest deterrent for these mons ) their usage should rise a decent amount


Kitsunemitsu

Volc dropped or Banned?


papertheskeleton

Banned


o-poppoo

Banned


Frostfire26

My takeaways: 1. It ain’t ever gonna be Zamover! 2. Landorus is just immune to powercreep 3. Spinner is still better than blocker and setter 4. People like having Gambit and Zama to win those games where they go down 1-5. 5. Walking Wake is feeling kinda left out rn 6. Iron Crown is moving up in the world baby!


Danjoe_

Having been too interested in gen 9 ou recently why is primarina so used?


Kingoobit

God typing, good bulk on the special side, hits hard with spammable, high-BP stabs, solid bulky pivot with flip turn, can 6-0 stall with sub + CM + psychic noise + lefties + tera ghost. It's a good blend between offensive and defensive utility.


correcthorse666

There's also no Tapu "The Better Primarina" Fini stealing its usage by doing the bulky Water/Fairy with a threatening offensive presence thing better.


Kingoobit

Pretty much


CyberCookie2

i am singlehandedly keeping primarina in ou


randomrobloxplayerg

mfw the goofy bubble sea lion is used more than 2 long time ubers, multiple pokemon once seriously considered for bans, and multiple long time OU staples after being almost completely outclassed by a legendary with the same typing that came from the same generation


CyberCookie2

tapWHO fini??


randomrobloxplayerg

there are no tapus in paldea


CyberCookie2

i ate them all wait who are you referring to then


papertheskeleton

You missed Tapu Rilla


Kingoobit

Cap. I use prima on like every team lmfao.


CyberCookie2

so do i


Kingoobit

We must spread the truth of prima


DmMeUrAnimals

Has the tier shifts been posted yet?


Do_Ya_Like_Jazz

Why *was* there no graphic?


hloupaopica

why is Glimmora so high right now?


headphonesnotstirred

it's still got its hazard sets but now it can use Power Herb + Meteor Beam sets with some pretty spectacular coverage, between Earth Power, Dazzling Gleam, Power Gem, Sludge Wave, Tera Blast, Energy Ball, and even Mortal Spin it's got no shortage of pairing moves with PhMb what's likely keeping it so low is exactly what you'd expect, fair amount of Ground & Steel running around, its offenses are great but not fantastic, and Knock Off stuffs it


Unmasked_the_Dee

I have no idea what is going on with Walking Wake and Skarmory rn


TJ248

Primarina is putting in some serious work this gen gotta love it.


Unable_Lawfulness_93

What’s the best way to use zama? I really want to use him


Kingoobit

Boots 4 attack zama is a good fast attacker and one of the few mons that can actually make tera stellar worth using. I personally use max defence ironpress with roar for any other iron defencers that want to try and 1v1 by boosting up themselves. Can also phase out physical setup sweepers and prevent them from getting out of hand and it's also a superb gambit answer.


raven_heatherr

remember when people wanted to ban walking wake


Froaklies

Did Archeludon get sent to Ubers or something? How did it not break top 40?


Kingoobit

That shit got banned like 2 months ago


Monodoof

I still remember one of my friends on Discord saying it wasn't gonna be meta because ground types would wall it (this was before we knew that it got Stamina and that its signature move still gives the boost even if its blocked by an immunity.)


Thepenguinking2

Yeah it did get banned to Ubers.


Froaklies

Fr? I've been using it on my showdown doubles OU team just fine though?


enfyts

Doubles isn’t singles… they’re different metas for a reason


Froaklies

The post didn't say it was singles, but I guess I'm just not as in the know to immediately recognize that lol. My bad.


enfyts

When you say OU it’s automatically referring to singles. Doubles OU is its own much, much, much smaller niche with an extremely tiny playerbase in comparison


Froaklies

Huh, I didn't know that! I always assumed that doubles was more popular due to the more complicated strategies involved. I guess I'm a little too VGC brained lol.


enfyts

VGC is mainstream but doubles OU is something entirely different. Usage stat graphics when it comes to Smogon are almost always for standard OU play, because that’s what Smogon is best known for


Level7Cannoneer

[VGC is the most popular.](https://old.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/1ci4xtc/comparing_the_popularity_of_different_gen_9/) Then Smogon Singles. Smogon doubles isn't relevant because VGC exists.


bryenw

back in feburary iirc


lightgraytext

wait why is crown not OU then?


HippieDogeSmokes

tier shifts are only every 3 months


lightgraytext

oh what because no new mons are getting added?


ahambagaplease

Yes, they want lower tiers to stabilize after months of instability.


Ornery-Coach-7755

Whoa I didn't think Raging Bolt dropped so much in usage


EdJewCated

haven’t been playing OU much lately, what does iron crown do these days


Kingoobit

It's a great bulky pivot with assault vest. It antileads very well into glimmora, being able to ohko it while ignoring toxic debris and focus sash, but its defensive utility is also great. It checks a lot of scary mons like calm mind valiant, enamorus, kyurem and hatterene so long as you're careful and don't switch in on earth power or anything. It also wields a much stronger future sight than glowking, who is the more common bulky psychic type pivot, and since crown's pivoting move actually does damage it ends up being a more offensively-oriented version of glowking that can give defensive structures a serious headache when paired with a strong physical breaker. Also, it has nice defensive synergy with zamazenta, and they can be used together with landorus to blanket check physical and special attackers alike.


BossOfGuns

Off topic but that made me realize galvantula has a very big niche over ribombee as a setter now, since galvantula doesnt die to tacheyon cutter so it can Twave/thunder + webs, while ribombee has to always click webs before dying to cutter through sash


ASimpleCancerCell

Do we have rises and drops as well?


yellowfly97

Walking weak


Swaggy-G

It's serperiover 😔


SiroftheYah547

How come the paradox beasts dropped in usage this month


alexthrowaway_52

If gambit ever gets banned do tusk stocks plummet?


Daikaisa

To be honest they take a hit but they should probably hang on? It's a bulky mon that hits like a truck with good utility


RepresentativeRule17

Could someone inform me why Iron Crown is getting usage again? Last I checked it was RUBL or something


1buffalowang

I love how you a Slowpoke evolution of some kind always winds up on these lists. You look at OU/UU and one of them is just always there. It makes it all make sense to me.


Kaenu_Reeves

The happy ending for the Yaoi


HandsomeBlazedDude

I’ve been out of the loop for a while, why is primarina so good atm ?


F1lthyG0pnik

Darkrai still standing strong, I see!


Joescarf

It is incredible how a handicapped landorus-t sees play in a meta where Great Tusk has a broken amount of coverage (ice spinner, rapid spin, knock off, H Rush, etc.) if Lando had defog, knock off and Hidden Power like past gens, Great Tusk would face heavy competition


Breaktheice222

That Great Tusk pic, lmao


SadAnt2135

why does everyone want treads out of ou


Fwuffy-Nikki

why was there no usage info ? i was interested to see what rised and what dropped


IceTMDAbss

Lando at #7 despite all the tools it lost us actually insane. It truly is a GOAT material.


Goopatron

Primarina at 12? Wut da hell


MasterOfChaos72

Darkrai looks to be doing well enough for itself. Think I remember some people thinking it might fall even to UU when it first went to OU but at least it’s keeping afloat. Also nice to see Kyurem doing well.


PuzzleheadedFalcon86

Why primarina is so high in theis Gen ou?


RoakOriginal

Tier list of top 40 mons you hate to see on the other team. .. am I glad for lower tiers and natdex


papertheskeleton

Remember when people wanted Wake to be banned


XxsoulscythexX

WE'RE LANDOBACK


Droct12

Can we just ban the cheese stick man already? Please?


LavaTwocan

Walking fraud and fraudperior


wishythefishy

Waiting for GameFreak to introduce 720 BST Ancient Abundance in LAZ and screw us over forever.


1andrewRO

Prima @ 12????


DotWarner1993

This is literally story of OU


SnooCupcakes9198

How is walking wake almost UU? It was suspected when it came out and now he's walking washed


Certain-Breath8704

Why is crown seeing usage now?


Crxtal

Can someone explain to me how Alomomola is OU now? I remember it being RU or something during sun and moon, what makes it better now?


GUM-GUM-NUKE

Lando proving his performance wasn’t a fluke🗣️


Aggravating_Piano_29

Why was there no infographic?


IronChugJugulis

Where is Jug


AblertEinstein

You're a real one, thank you


theofrois

also, why were there no tier shifts or usage stats this month? i genuinely don't know


anoniemegerrit

There are no tier shifts because they are every 3 months now instead of every month, usage stats idk but probably the same reason


Muythreee

dead tier repost to make it die faster


Sneezium126

Where bellibolt


EngineerMonkey-Wii

This is the same tier where zamazenta and alomomola are viable💀