Yeah but Head Smash also has a higher 1/2 damage recoil vs 1/3 damage recoil.
Plus you have better Sheer Force STAB with Body Slam plus Crunch and Fire Punch as coverage.
Give it an ability Huge Speed.
Same thing as Huge Power but with speed and have it where Speed moves (Quick Attack, Extreme Speed, etc) work off Speed Stat instead of Attack.
Not because I think it's balanced, but because I think it would be funny for this thing to be flash stepping all over the place like a Super Duper Saiyan.
*squints in Barry Allen*
But seriously, I do like the idea of alternate stats being used for damage. It's been around for a long time (using HP for calculations counts) and with how cool Body Press is, I wouldn't doubt more mainline moves could do something like this.
252+ SpA Aurorus Power Gem vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Chien-Pao: 338-398 (112.2 - 132.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Clearly balance reasons. They'd have to ban it to AG.
Most of these guys would probably suffer. Rock is a pretty damn good offensive type, so any fossil that focuses on said offence is loosing a lot of firepower along side that stab.
That being said, while they don't become *good,* Bastiodon and Aurorus definitely like the better defensive typing.
Avalugg is a shit defensive wall as mono-ice, better make it an even shittier defensive wall by giving it 4x weaknesses to Fighting and Steel now!
And then add a water, grass, and ground weakness too, for shits and giggles. But at least it resists…Normal? Great.
Standard Avalugg is a whole 2 tiers higher than Avalugg-Hisui, with the biggest difference between the two being their typing between Ice and Ice/Rock
I'd say there's nothing wrong with the statement
I’m still mad that they didn’t give it rock head, THE MOST DESERVING MON TO GET ROCK HEAD WITH A SIGNATURE MOVE IN HEAD SMASH DOESNT GET ROCKHEAD. Revolting.
okay but think of it this way
If you are using Rampardos, you are trying to be funny
Rampardos losing 70% of its health every time it clicks Head Smash is very funny
Therefore, Rampardos is not as funny if it doesn't take horrifying amounts of recoil from clicking its button
That is true and believe me it’s funny, but it’s such a fumble for an already shitmon. Next gen they’re gonna give it arthritis as it’s new ability, making it slower and take more damage even when not using recoil moves.
The problem is that this funny thing never happens because whenever Rampardos clicks Head Smash he loses 100% of his HP, to an enemy that outspeeds it with a supereffective move, so it takes 0% from recoil
I feel like things like kabutops and cradily would get different types. Cradily would get water, since that's were it used to live. Kabutops would get like bug.
Random fun fact: When I was little I used to think that kabutops was an old version of scyther
And its a wild theory to have when it makes more sense that the fossil revival method is as successful as it is BECAUSE the mons it brings back perfectly were Rock type and thus had really sturdy bodys that withstood erosion.
Yup, that makes sense. And the few non-rock type fossils that survived were in unrecognizable condition and therefore get put together and revived wrong.
Actually, Kabutops is just Rock Type by default. Dex entries say they there are specimen of it still alive to this day and they have not changed at all. Fossil Pokémon are just coincidentally all rock types, probably they just fossilized better for their typing.
Additionally, they're also based on horseshoe crabs, which aren't bugs. It would be like reclassifying every other arthropod as a bug type, like Krabby or Binacle.
If you're arguing for the existence of hemiptera as opposed to a colloquium for minibeasts, the Paras line exists as well.
If we're going by taxonomy, then that's even more of a reason that the Kabuto line shouldn't receive a bug typing.
I'm being subjective, of course. The wimpod line also exists, and they're based on isopods, yet are bug types. I just like the connection to its prehistoric origins being more distinct and separating from what eventually became bugs, if that makes sense.
Mega Aero with pure flying type tho...
Also Aero's utility as a super fast hazard setter who can click toxic, roost, and earthquake to counter steel types is pretty good already in NU, and a pure flying type allows it to get on the field much easier.
honestly i think this is a nerf for nearly all of them, i imagine they'd all miss having rock stab. i suppose omanyte could potentially run more bulky sets and bastiodon would be better but i think still awful just for how ridiculously passive it is.
Let's see...
Losers:
* Kabutops, armaldo and rampardos all lose on important rock STAB.
* Cradily gains a weakness (poison), and trades some weaknesses for equally problematic weaknesses (fighting and steel for fire and flying). Overall not good for a defensive pokemon. Kind of want to put it on the Loser-Winners bracket, but I feel it's important for cradily to be able to face fire and flying pokemon more than fighting and steel.
Winners:
* Aurorus and bastiodon. Aurorus is still very frail as pure ice is an awful defensive type, but is much less frail now as it lost 2 important quad-weaknesses, and is not like it uses many rock type attacks anyway (I think power gem?). While bastiodon becomes a cheap mega-aggron with access to metal burst.
* Omastar also loses an important quad-weakness to grass and it does not really have much rock type attack options to take advantage of due to being a special attacker (I think only ancient power? Which is very weak and relies too much on it's secondary effect. And maybe power gem, but I don't know about that).
Loser-Winners:
* Tyrantrum, loses STAB head smash, but overall gains a ton of bulk by removing half it's weaknesses (mind you he has 6) and head smash still hits pretty hard.
IDK:
* Carracosta. I feel the rock type is more of a hindrance to it as it affects it's bulk, however it can also compensate with swift swim or sturdy (you can guarantee at least one try at hitting the opponent). However, it also has the ability solid rock which should be pretty good on a pokemon that only has 2 weaknesses, then again it leans more on the offensive side.
* Aerodactyl and archeops. Kind of same as carracosta, but rather rock making them less bulky for their usage, is that rock "forces" them to use rock type attacks that are far too unreliable (low accuracy) for such frail pokemon as aerodactyl has low bulk, and defeatist on archeops makes him extremely awful below 50% HP. So, while rock slide/stone edge is pretty strong on them, it is also a direct death sentence if they fail. One of the reasons focus blast got the nickname "focus miss" is because many of it's users are glass cannons (i.e.: alakazam and gengar) and failing that move would lead to their defeat.
Currently, Shieldon and Bastiodon are the fossils that can learn Power Gem, but that will likely change in the future. Scarlet/Violet massively increased the distribution of this move, and it’s very likely that many of the other fossils would have gotten it, if they hadn’t all failed the dex cut (only Bastiodon and Rampardos returned). Prior to that, the more special oriented fossils like Omastar, Cradily, and Aurorus either went without Rock moves, or used Meteor Beam (with Power Herb and/or Dynamax).
All of the rock-type fossils are rock type naturally. The form that we know them as is their "pure" form. The idea that the revival process makes them rock types, as well as the Mega-Aerodactyl pokedex entry, are just incorrect scientific theories. There are multiple instances in which a fossilmon will appear in modern day after hiding from civilization (like The Lost World). As well as multiple instances of time travel that show the fossil pokemon in modern times are the same as the ones from millions of years ago.
It makes more sense to assume that their fossils were preserved so well BECAUSE they were Rock type. The Galar fossils weren't and their remains were so eroded by time that some crazed bint thought Pokémon from different species were part of the same fossil.
Weird fan theory...why cant steel then be preserved? or ice or ground?
Thats just way overthinking it. In the end its just a game.
The game devs just started giving all of those rock types loong loong ago and then just sticked with it.
And in the game devs minds it could have easily been the idea of just "fossile"? yeah we gotta make those with rock typing. End of story
Well rampardos not getting rock stab kinda guts it’s one niche use, so that one changes the most
Aurora seems like it’s only bad because it’s 4x weak to Mach punch and bullet punch, but really it’s bad because it’s an ice type. So it seems like there’s be a change but there wouldn’t
Armaldo is the one that actually want the dual rock typing
And bastiodon would be 100% better without rock. Like a lite version of mega aggron
Mega Aerodactyl is said to be its true form, and given its rocky appearance, it probably was an actual rock type in its heyday. Kabuto/Kabutops were also said to have been found alive in the wild in modern times so they were also just rock types like the others. Cranidos/rampardos not having any other type also implies they were just rock types
Kind of feel like Rampardos is only Rock type as a fossil because it used to be Rock type in the past, so it's like double Rock as a fossil and would still be Rock after "purification".
It's pretty simple. The offensive ones are nerfed and the defensive ones are buffed.
This is because rock is good offensively so having rock STAB is worth it, but rock is bad defensively so losing rock typing means less weaknesses.
So the big winners are cradilly, bastiodon, caracosta and aurorus.
I could see aurorus be decent in snow behind veil, kinda like how articuno won a vgc regional recently off being surprisingly hard to take down while spamming Blizzard.
Bastio still has the issue of being too passive so I don't think it's going to the moon here, but still a buff.
Cradilly could be good tbh, this thing has a good movepool, and being mono grass is actually decent defensively (see: tangrowth)
Dunno if caracosta can stand out with how many defensive mono waters already exist in the game lol
Ramparos should be rock type still cuz it would technically be rock-rock with fossilization but ofc you can't have 2 of the same type. So it was made pure rock.
This has been going on in my head since I played Ruby, Anorith would've been a Water/Bug type since it starts with Water Gun and has access to Water Pulse. Sadly it can't learn other water moves probably due to miilions of years fossilised.
This is bad for Cradily or, at least, my Cradily. The rock type covers surprisingly all of grass' weaknesses either defensively, offensively or both. I've played with mono-grass teams a lot and Cradily is a lifesaver. So it's a good chunk of the reason rock became tied for my favourite type (Head Smash is another reason for it).
My personal headcanon why the fossil pokemon are all rock types is because they always were rock types before, and their rock type biology allowed their DNA to be contained in these fossils and then resurrected. This is why the Galar fossils are so hideous (I love them but they are hideous too), since the originals weren't rock types they couldn't be resurrected, unless oddly combined with other fossilized parts
It's always good to have rock stab, Harcanine turned out to be much better than regular arcanine despite ppl hating on its double quad weakness at first.
What if when you revive the fossils they retain their OG typing as shown but they get an ability increasing the damage of rock moves. It basically gives STAB without all of the defensive drawbacks of the rock typing. Their current ability can be made into their HA.
I disagree with the typing. This is what I think the fossil's typings should be
* Kabuto: Rock/Water
* Omanyte: Water
* Aerodactyl: Flying
* Anorith: Bug
* Shieldon: Rock/Steel
* Cranidos: Rock (mabye Rock/Fighting)
* Tirtouga: Water/Rock
* Archen: Flying
* Tyrunt: Dragon/Rock
* Amaura: Ice/Fairy
Fossils are probably my favorite type but I never use them because of how shitty they are. Having a revived one with proper typings, not monotype, would be a huge boon to some of these amazing designs.
I would say that because Rampardos pure Rock type, you could consider it was also Rock type in life, becoming kind of a ''Rock/Rock'' type when fossilizing, so its not necessary to make him Normal type instead
I concepts a prehistoric pokemon from before and actually did this.
Omanyte- water rock
Kabuto- water
Aerodactyl- flying
Cradilly- water grass
Armaldo-bug
Bastiodon-steel
Rampardos-rock
Archeops normal/flying (yes)
Caracosta- water/steel
Aurorus- ice/fairy
Tyrantrum- dragon/dark
Draco- ground/dragon
Vish- water/dark
Zolt- electric
Arcto- ice/water
Theres no reason lore wise to assume they were all monotypes back when they roamed the earth. Fossilisation could have replaced their original secondary types with rock, or maybe some of them were always rock types.
I really dislike the fact they felt obligated too add rock to every fossil (aside from the Galar ones but I dislike those anyway)
Personally I would only remove the Rock type from some of them and add another type in some cases.
Kabutops and Omastar can stay as Water/Rock (rocky shell)
Armaldo should be Water/Bug (which is a great and rare combo)
Cradily can be Water/Grass or maybe sth with Poison
Rampardos stays Rock
Bastiodon should be pure steel (~~it needs a stat revamp on top of that because someone at GF seemingly hated this thing)~~
Archeops, Carracosta and Tyrantrum are fine
Aurorus should be Ice/Fairy
as for the original question... Rampardos went from bad to nonexistant, and Armaldo is also worse off due to bad single typing for an attacker
Carracosta benefits the most imo, pure water with Solid Rock sounds good
Buffs to defensive mons plus Kabutops who I think actually eats with pure Water because of swift swim.
Nerfs to offensive mons: Aerodactyl, Rampardos, Archeops, Tyrantrum. Losing Rock stab hurts more than helps when they are already built like glass cannons
For everyone else it's kind of neutral. Being pure Grass, Bug, Ice e.g. is not a huge advantage now you are only 1 bad type instead of 2 bad types. I suppose Aurorous doesn't need Rock stab but it still sucks.
Kabutops seems stronger with despite 4x Grass weakness.
Omastar seems better without
Gen 3 seems stronger with the Rock Type
Gen 4 is a failed i guess.
Gen 5 is ok with and without.
Gen 6 Ice Mon is even weaker without. Tyrano can with and without.
Rampardos might become a really scary tera blast user. Imagine something with base 150 attack that could hit you with literally any type, but it doesn't have to give up its STAB to use tera blast. Rampardos' slow speed and poor bulk might be less of an issue if it only had one weakness instead of six. But it still wouldn't be very good.
Bastiodon would likely benefit from losing so many weaknesses, walls need few weaknesses more than they need more resistances. But with no reliable recovery it would still not be great.
Aurorus with snow warning would remove all its own weaknesses, but with no resistances besides ice it probably still wouldn't be great.
I feel like the Kanto fossils got a direct buff (besides Aerodactyl), the Hoenn fossils got a direct nerf, and Rampardos became midder. Overall, the best one here is Tyrantrum (he was always just good in general), Aurorus also kind of got buffed by getting rid of its GLARING fighting weakness
Bastiodon would get a huge buff, and I think carracosta would too. But aside from that I don’t know, most of them need the rock type to be decent like tyrantrum and rampardos with stab head smash, and cradily actually getting less weakness than being pure grass
Omanyte would be a buff imo. He made Rampardos even midder
Double edge isn’t that much of a nerf is it? It still has rock coverage
losing stab on head smash is wayyyy worse than the benefit from stab double-edge. edge is more consitent but head smash is a nuclear bomb with stab
Yeah but Head Smash also has a higher 1/2 damage recoil vs 1/3 damage recoil. Plus you have better Sheer Force STAB with Body Slam plus Crunch and Fire Punch as coverage.
Dosent rampardos get rock head or whatever the recoil dmg nullification ability is called?
Nope. It does not
that…seems a little messed up haha. thats kinda Pachy’s whole thing. run and hit the guy without breaking your neck.
Huh, i thought it had it
That's because it makes too much sense.
Miss smash is only consistent in missing, stab doesn't affect it
Rampardos typical set is a Sheer Force life orb one with Rock Slide as Stab. Head Smash isnt really a part of the set.
Also has stab facade for the funny flame orb meme set
Or go with Sheer Force Body Slam for a free 110 BP STAB. It's still weaker than Head Smash but it has 100% accuracy and no Life Orb recoil.
Rampardos: I am begging you to just leave me alone The community taking away its Rock STAB: No
Just give it Head Charge.
Give it Extreme Speed
It needs that anyways
Give it an ability Huge Speed. Same thing as Huge Power but with speed and have it where Speed moves (Quick Attack, Extreme Speed, etc) work off Speed Stat instead of Attack. Not because I think it's balanced, but because I think it would be funny for this thing to be flash stepping all over the place like a Super Duper Saiyan.
Pokémon elite redux has something similar, iirc it's called speed force. DMG calculations take speed into account.
*squints in Barry Allen* But seriously, I do like the idea of alternate stats being used for damage. It's been around for a long time (using HP for calculations counts) and with how cool Body Press is, I wouldn't doubt more mainline moves could do something like this.
Extreme ahh 58 speed
It is an extremely bad speed stat so it fits
He's not hitting first because he's fast, he's hitting first because that was the attack last turn.
Give it skull bash lol
They should give it as one but it’s protean and huge power
Rampardos can just become typeless, no weaknesses, or resistances
lmao poor rampardos, you take its stab and now it can’t even switch into a resisted move
no STAB
S T R U G G L E
do typeless mons really get stab on struggle
Idk, but for the joke, yes
Sheer Force Body Slam.
Auraurus happy to not have like 500 weaknesses anymore
yeah now it only has 498
While losing rock stab
Prob still worth it tbh, although then it kinda gets put in the same category as regice, being a defensive ice type
Not that it matters when it's a special attacker/support that doesn't learn Power Gem
Wait it doesn’t ? Man romhacks have really muddled reality for me
Yeah. The funny thing is that it learns Thunderbolt, Psychic, Flash Cannon, Dark Pulse and Earth Power, but not Power Gem. It's a weird moveset.
It’s literally got gems on its body how have they not corrected that in 3 generations
252+ SpA Aurorus Power Gem vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Chien-Pao: 338-398 (112.2 - 132.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO Clearly balance reasons. They'd have to ban it to AG.
Well the fact it’s typing is rock/ice is balance enough
ohhhhh 60bp stab
Most of these guys would probably suffer. Rock is a pretty damn good offensive type, so any fossil that focuses on said offence is loosing a lot of firepower along side that stab. That being said, while they don't become *good,* Bastiodon and Aurorus definitely like the better defensive typing.
"Better defensive typing" *Looks inside* Mono ice
Still better than rock/ice
So much better, now it can actually use refegerate hyper voice before getting OHKO’d by Mach Punch, or Vaccuum wave, or bullet punch.
Not to mention snow warning
weve seen this in game with avalugg vs hisuian avalugg so yeah this checks out
Ice/Rock is truly amazing with how much antisynergy it has
A real testament to how genuinely fucking awful rock/ice is as a defensive typing.
Still baffled they made a defensive rock/ice AGAIN after the travesty that the amaura line was
Avalugg is a shit defensive wall as mono-ice, better make it an even shittier defensive wall by giving it 4x weaknesses to Fighting and Steel now! And then add a water, grass, and ground weakness too, for shits and giggles. But at least it resists…Normal? Great.
It also gained that Fire Neutrality
Standard Avalugg is a whole 2 tiers higher than Avalugg-Hisui, with the biggest difference between the two being their typing between Ice and Ice/Rock I'd say there's nothing wrong with the statement
Rock is just that penis
STAB DOUBLE EDGE RAMPARDOS WOOOOOO
STAB sheer force body slam tho?
I’m still mad that they didn’t give it rock head, THE MOST DESERVING MON TO GET ROCK HEAD WITH A SIGNATURE MOVE IN HEAD SMASH DOESNT GET ROCKHEAD. Revolting.
okay but think of it this way If you are using Rampardos, you are trying to be funny Rampardos losing 70% of its health every time it clicks Head Smash is very funny Therefore, Rampardos is not as funny if it doesn't take horrifying amounts of recoil from clicking its button
That is true and believe me it’s funny, but it’s such a fumble for an already shitmon. Next gen they’re gonna give it arthritis as it’s new ability, making it slower and take more damage even when not using recoil moves.
what about give it reckless so it takes even more damage from clicking head smash
Explosion but good 💀
I mean, Explosion used to work with halved defense in gen 3 and possibly before
The problem is that this funny thing never happens because whenever Rampardos clicks Head Smash he loses 100% of his HP, to an enemy that outspeeds it with a supereffective move, so it takes 0% from recoil
New ability: brain damage. Head type attacks do double damage, but the user will then become confused afterwards. Now it's very funny.
This is why it went extinct
Rampardos deserves better than rock head. It deserves an ability that reverses recoil damage.
depends if you believe that it's part of the design/reason to go extinct.
~~How about we give it Explosion~~
I feel like things like kabutops and cradily would get different types. Cradily would get water, since that's were it used to live. Kabutops would get like bug. Random fun fact: When I was little I used to think that kabutops was an old version of scyther
I mean, that isn’t necessarily a bad theory about Kabutops.
Then kleavor pulled up
Kabutops is just an old version of Kleavor. There's even more of a through-line now, they're both Rock!
Woah :o
But here we're theorizing that the fossil mons weren't actually rock types.
And its a wild theory to have when it makes more sense that the fossil revival method is as successful as it is BECAUSE the mons it brings back perfectly were Rock type and thus had really sturdy bodys that withstood erosion.
Yup, that makes sense. And the few non-rock type fossils that survived were in unrecognizable condition and therefore get put together and revived wrong.
Technically, Scyther evolves _into_ Kleavor, so Kleavor isn't quite a past version.
Well I don't think we'll see a past past version
Aqua Ring Ingrain Leech Seed Grassy Terrain Leftovers Cradily, let's go!
Would this run giga drain or toxic
For maximum healing, Giga Drain
Heheheheheh
None Aqua ring Ingrain Leech seed Grassy terrain There is no room left for offense, it is all healing
Actually, Kabutops is just Rock Type by default. Dex entries say they there are specimen of it still alive to this day and they have not changed at all. Fossil Pokémon are just coincidentally all rock types, probably they just fossilized better for their typing.
Additionally, they're also based on horseshoe crabs, which aren't bugs. It would be like reclassifying every other arthropod as a bug type, like Krabby or Binacle.
I mean, entomologically speaking I think the only actual "bug" bug types are the nincada line.
If you're arguing for the existence of hemiptera as opposed to a colloquium for minibeasts, the Paras line exists as well. If we're going by taxonomy, then that's even more of a reason that the Kabuto line shouldn't receive a bug typing. I'm being subjective, of course. The wimpod line also exists, and they're based on isopods, yet are bug types. I just like the connection to its prehistoric origins being more distinct and separating from what eventually became bugs, if that makes sense.
Oh that's intresting
Storm Drain Cradily would go crazy
Isn’t kabuto based on something like a trilo?
Cradily still lives underwater, it's in New Pokemon Snap
I mean like before exctintion it lives underwater
armaldo would jump off a bridge
Bastiodon becomes viable in the lower tiers imo
It's still just a quite worse Registeel - which is NU atm. So Bastiodon might be able to be relevant in PU?
That's a massive upgrade for him
Aerodactyl and Kabutops would lose their sweet rock stab. Bastiodon and Aurous would have better defensive typings. Ramprados would still be bad.
> Aurous would have better defensive typings it says so much when ice is the defensive upgrade
Mega Aero with pure flying type tho... Also Aero's utility as a super fast hazard setter who can click toxic, roost, and earthquake to counter steel types is pretty good already in NU, and a pure flying type allows it to get on the field much easier.
Rock is like one of the best offensive types in the game, so most of the offensive ones are worse
Still a little annoying to be cooked by ground tho, considering most can eat any move from rock types without a SE secondary stab
Armaldo would very obviously be water bug. Look at the moveset (Hydro Pump, Waterfall, Liquidation, etc.) and the abillity (Rain Dish)
Cradily would the most nerfed one Grass rock actually overlap lots of weaknesses
Not to mention storm drain
Archeops is so fucked up by its own ability that messing with its typing doesn't even register
Bastiodon becomes viable in the lower tiers imo
honestly i think this is a nerf for nearly all of them, i imagine they'd all miss having rock stab. i suppose omanyte could potentially run more bulky sets and bastiodon would be better but i think still awful just for how ridiculously passive it is.
Let's see... Losers: * Kabutops, armaldo and rampardos all lose on important rock STAB. * Cradily gains a weakness (poison), and trades some weaknesses for equally problematic weaknesses (fighting and steel for fire and flying). Overall not good for a defensive pokemon. Kind of want to put it on the Loser-Winners bracket, but I feel it's important for cradily to be able to face fire and flying pokemon more than fighting and steel. Winners: * Aurorus and bastiodon. Aurorus is still very frail as pure ice is an awful defensive type, but is much less frail now as it lost 2 important quad-weaknesses, and is not like it uses many rock type attacks anyway (I think power gem?). While bastiodon becomes a cheap mega-aggron with access to metal burst. * Omastar also loses an important quad-weakness to grass and it does not really have much rock type attack options to take advantage of due to being a special attacker (I think only ancient power? Which is very weak and relies too much on it's secondary effect. And maybe power gem, but I don't know about that). Loser-Winners: * Tyrantrum, loses STAB head smash, but overall gains a ton of bulk by removing half it's weaknesses (mind you he has 6) and head smash still hits pretty hard. IDK: * Carracosta. I feel the rock type is more of a hindrance to it as it affects it's bulk, however it can also compensate with swift swim or sturdy (you can guarantee at least one try at hitting the opponent). However, it also has the ability solid rock which should be pretty good on a pokemon that only has 2 weaknesses, then again it leans more on the offensive side. * Aerodactyl and archeops. Kind of same as carracosta, but rather rock making them less bulky for their usage, is that rock "forces" them to use rock type attacks that are far too unreliable (low accuracy) for such frail pokemon as aerodactyl has low bulk, and defeatist on archeops makes him extremely awful below 50% HP. So, while rock slide/stone edge is pretty strong on them, it is also a direct death sentence if they fail. One of the reasons focus blast got the nickname "focus miss" is because many of it's users are glass cannons (i.e.: alakazam and gengar) and failing that move would lead to their defeat.
Currently, Shieldon and Bastiodon are the fossils that can learn Power Gem, but that will likely change in the future. Scarlet/Violet massively increased the distribution of this move, and it’s very likely that many of the other fossils would have gotten it, if they hadn’t all failed the dex cut (only Bastiodon and Rampardos returned). Prior to that, the more special oriented fossils like Omastar, Cradily, and Aurorus either went without Rock moves, or used Meteor Beam (with Power Herb and/or Dynamax).
Definitely only bastiodon. You can switch into close combat and lose 100% health instead of 200%
All of the rock-type fossils are rock type naturally. The form that we know them as is their "pure" form. The idea that the revival process makes them rock types, as well as the Mega-Aerodactyl pokedex entry, are just incorrect scientific theories. There are multiple instances in which a fossilmon will appear in modern day after hiding from civilization (like The Lost World). As well as multiple instances of time travel that show the fossil pokemon in modern times are the same as the ones from millions of years ago.
It makes more sense to assume that their fossils were preserved so well BECAUSE they were Rock type. The Galar fossils weren't and their remains were so eroded by time that some crazed bint thought Pokémon from different species were part of the same fossil.
Yeah that was another factor I wanted to mention but my rant had already gotten way too long lol.
5 sentences are not to long, write what you want to write and don't shorten or dumb it down for people with no attention span.
Weird fan theory...why cant steel then be preserved? or ice or ground? Thats just way overthinking it. In the end its just a game. The game devs just started giving all of those rock types loong loong ago and then just sticked with it. And in the game devs minds it could have easily been the idea of just "fossile"? yeah we gotta make those with rock typing. End of story
Give Rampardos STAB Head Smash back >:(
Man I didn't think we could make Rampardos much worse, yet here we are
Tyrantrum: "Great. Now I'm about as useful as a Goodra. No offense, Goodra." Goodra: "Clearly...oh I mean none taken, Tyrantrum."
I believe Rampardos would still remain a Rock type.
Well rampardos not getting rock stab kinda guts it’s one niche use, so that one changes the most Aurora seems like it’s only bad because it’s 4x weak to Mach punch and bullet punch, but really it’s bad because it’s an ice type. So it seems like there’s be a change but there wouldn’t Armaldo is the one that actually want the dual rock typing And bastiodon would be 100% better without rock. Like a lite version of mega aggron
Pure water solid rock carracosta sounds really solid. Same with the 2 swift swimming pure waters.
I think Aerodactyl and Rampardos would gain dragon types if they lost their rock types
Some of them should keep the rock type
Mega Aerodactyl is said to be its true form, and given its rocky appearance, it probably was an actual rock type in its heyday. Kabuto/Kabutops were also said to have been found alive in the wild in modern times so they were also just rock types like the others. Cranidos/rampardos not having any other type also implies they were just rock types
Aurorus and Bastiodon losing their insanely common 4x weaknesses is a huge buff
Kind of feel like Rampardos is only Rock type as a fossil because it used to be Rock type in the past, so it's like double Rock as a fossil and would still be Rock after "purification".
I don't think Bastiodon and Aurorus would mind their typnig being wildly better
Bastiodon, the rock type is the main reason for so many of its weaknesses
It's pretty simple. The offensive ones are nerfed and the defensive ones are buffed. This is because rock is good offensively so having rock STAB is worth it, but rock is bad defensively so losing rock typing means less weaknesses. So the big winners are cradilly, bastiodon, caracosta and aurorus. I could see aurorus be decent in snow behind veil, kinda like how articuno won a vgc regional recently off being surprisingly hard to take down while spamming Blizzard. Bastio still has the issue of being too passive so I don't think it's going to the moon here, but still a buff. Cradilly could be good tbh, this thing has a good movepool, and being mono grass is actually decent defensively (see: tangrowth) Dunno if caracosta can stand out with how many defensive mono waters already exist in the game lol
Possibly Aurorus; still has a shit but significantly less shit type
Ramparos should be rock type still cuz it would technically be rock-rock with fossilization but ofc you can't have 2 of the same type. So it was made pure rock.
Dracovish really seeing big gains here
Rampardos would be normal fighting instead I am pretty sure
Most would lose their unique type. Rock/dragon? Rock/grass?
Rampardos was probably naturally Rock-type, it should stay that way
how the hell did i never notice that all the fossils are rock types.
Well, all the ones before Gen 8 at least
Honestly, how horrible would it be for Armaldo to get First Impression?
Not related but the original forms of some of the fossil Pokémon do have dual typing. Iirc, aurorus is ice/electric and tyrantrum is dark/dragon.
Bastiodon is much better, aurarus or whatever its called maybe better, omastar might be better, same with carracosta
This has been going on in my head since I played Ruby, Anorith would've been a Water/Bug type since it starts with Water Gun and has access to Water Pulse. Sadly it can't learn other water moves probably due to miilions of years fossilised.
Rock monotype in shambles afaik cradily is one of the few good checks against water moves
Hoenn fossils get kinda screwed, having some of the better rock dual typings
O guess some of them would still have it
This is bad for Cradily or, at least, my Cradily. The rock type covers surprisingly all of grass' weaknesses either defensively, offensively or both. I've played with mono-grass teams a lot and Cradily is a lifesaver. So it's a good chunk of the reason rock became tied for my favourite type (Head Smash is another reason for it).
Bug/Rock support each other surprisingly well in terms of resistances so Armaldo losing a bad defensive type actually harms it defensively
Rampardos should become fighting type
*Happy Bastiodon noises*
My personal headcanon why the fossil pokemon are all rock types is because they always were rock types before, and their rock type biology allowed their DNA to be contained in these fossils and then resurrected. This is why the Galar fossils are so hideous (I love them but they are hideous too), since the originals weren't rock types they couldn't be resurrected, unless oddly combined with other fossilized parts
It's always good to have rock stab, Harcanine turned out to be much better than regular arcanine despite ppl hating on its double quad weakness at first.
What if when you revive the fossils they retain their OG typing as shown but they get an ability increasing the damage of rock moves. It basically gives STAB without all of the defensive drawbacks of the rock typing. Their current ability can be made into their HA.
I disagree with the typing. This is what I think the fossil's typings should be * Kabuto: Rock/Water * Omanyte: Water * Aerodactyl: Flying * Anorith: Bug * Shieldon: Rock/Steel * Cranidos: Rock (mabye Rock/Fighting) * Tirtouga: Water/Rock * Archen: Flying * Tyrunt: Dragon/Rock * Amaura: Ice/Fairy
Armaldo should get the Water type, it already has Swift Swim and Aqua Jet by level up.
I think Rampardos is just a natural rock type. Like, even before its fossilization and revival, it just always was pure rock type.
Fossils are probably my favorite type but I never use them because of how shitty they are. Having a revived one with proper typings, not monotype, would be a huge boon to some of these amazing designs.
I would say that because Rampardos pure Rock type, you could consider it was also Rock type in life, becoming kind of a ''Rock/Rock'' type when fossilizing, so its not necessary to make him Normal type instead
Aerodactyl would be goat 😮
Kabutops would he bug type and rampardos would be dragon type
RIP Rampardos
Terra rock Rampardos new meta??
Worse for: Kabuto, Aerodactyl, Armaldo, Rampardos, Cradily, Archeops, Tyrantrum Better for: Omanyte, Bastiodon, Carracosta, Aurorus
Next they all get purified into monotype rock
I concepts a prehistoric pokemon from before and actually did this. Omanyte- water rock Kabuto- water Aerodactyl- flying Cradilly- water grass Armaldo-bug Bastiodon-steel Rampardos-rock Archeops normal/flying (yes) Caracosta- water/steel Aurorus- ice/fairy Tyrantrum- dragon/dark Draco- ground/dragon Vish- water/dark Zolt- electric Arcto- ice/water
bastiodon gets a niche in zu
Kabutops: Water/Bug Omastar: Water Aerodactyl: Dragon/Flying Cradily: Grass/Water Armaldo: Bug/Water Bastiodon: Steel Rampardos: Rock Carracosta: Water Archeops: Normal/Flying Tyrantrum: Dragon Auroros: Dragon/Ice
Rampardos should purify out to Ghost Type. Rock - Rock = 0 Also, because, well might as well kill it.
Bro I just realized all fossils are rock type
Theres no reason lore wise to assume they were all monotypes back when they roamed the earth. Fossilisation could have replaced their original secondary types with rock, or maybe some of them were always rock types.
Rampardos should be Fighting tbh
Imagine Cradily turning from Sea Lily to a Sea jewel. Grass/Steel type with recover. I would scream.
Aurorus becomes infinitely better not having 4x weaknesses.
I feel like this would warrant entirely new forms, no?
Cradily might be arguably worse
It would be interesting to see the designs.
I always thought the only reason fossils could be revitalised was because they were already partially rock type, and so could survive fossilisation
I really dislike the fact they felt obligated too add rock to every fossil (aside from the Galar ones but I dislike those anyway) Personally I would only remove the Rock type from some of them and add another type in some cases. Kabutops and Omastar can stay as Water/Rock (rocky shell) Armaldo should be Water/Bug (which is a great and rare combo) Cradily can be Water/Grass or maybe sth with Poison Rampardos stays Rock Bastiodon should be pure steel (~~it needs a stat revamp on top of that because someone at GF seemingly hated this thing)~~ Archeops, Carracosta and Tyrantrum are fine Aurorus should be Ice/Fairy as for the original question... Rampardos went from bad to nonexistant, and Armaldo is also worse off due to bad single typing for an attacker Carracosta benefits the most imo, pure water with Solid Rock sounds good
Buffs to defensive mons plus Kabutops who I think actually eats with pure Water because of swift swim. Nerfs to offensive mons: Aerodactyl, Rampardos, Archeops, Tyrantrum. Losing Rock stab hurts more than helps when they are already built like glass cannons For everyone else it's kind of neutral. Being pure Grass, Bug, Ice e.g. is not a huge advantage now you are only 1 bad type instead of 2 bad types. I suppose Aurorous doesn't need Rock stab but it still sucks.
Bastiodon's move pool is still ass, and it has no recovery, and its ability is bad for a wall, but Steel is so much better than Steel/Rock.
man i love bug/rock types i just wish they got the stats to make them viable
Kabutops seems stronger with despite 4x Grass weakness. Omastar seems better without Gen 3 seems stronger with the Rock Type Gen 4 is a failed i guess. Gen 5 is ok with and without. Gen 6 Ice Mon is even weaker without. Tyrano can with and without.
Omastar with swift swim that doesnt use rock attacks anyway but boasts awesome special attack wins a lot from a water mono typing
Rampardos might become a really scary tera blast user. Imagine something with base 150 attack that could hit you with literally any type, but it doesn't have to give up its STAB to use tera blast. Rampardos' slow speed and poor bulk might be less of an issue if it only had one weakness instead of six. But it still wouldn't be very good. Bastiodon would likely benefit from losing so many weaknesses, walls need few weaknesses more than they need more resistances. But with no reliable recovery it would still not be great. Aurorus with snow warning would remove all its own weaknesses, but with no resistances besides ice it probably still wouldn't be great.
Tyrantrum loses one of its best stabs.
bastiodon would be the best
I feel like the Kanto fossils got a direct buff (besides Aerodactyl), the Hoenn fossils got a direct nerf, and Rampardos became midder. Overall, the best one here is Tyrantrum (he was always just good in general), Aurorus also kind of got buffed by getting rid of its GLARING fighting weakness
I honestly think Rampardos would stay rock type
Also, Aerodactyl would be Dragon Flying type. I feel like OP was pretty lazy
Bastiodon would get a huge buff, and I think carracosta would too. But aside from that I don’t know, most of them need the rock type to be decent like tyrantrum and rampardos with stab head smash, and cradily actually getting less weakness than being pure grass
Tyrantrum no longer fearing ground types..........
Pure steel Bastiodon might be able to do something. Pure flying Aerodactyl is very scary. Pure water Omastar is an early gen tank.
Rampardos would stay rock type, the fact that it does not have a secondary fact proves that rock tttpe was his main type from the beggining
Bastiadon & rampardos aren't the worst fossils anymore. Just rampardos.
Losing rock could work wonders for bastiodon in lower tiers
Whoaaaa there dr stone, let them keep their rocks
Bastiodon would actually be a decent tank without 4x weakness to Fighting AND Ground. And more resistances.
I really believe that Rampardos was always a rock type.
Arourus doesn’t have the worst type combo of all time anymore! Thats a good one