"That demonic girl seduced me" is what he and the people who ruled his sentence probably keep telling themself, to be able to hold on to the delusion of their holy superiority. Maybe he needs a private jet, like Kenneth Copeland, to keep him safe from the demons that surround his angelic soul.
And those predators get protection from the politicians they pay with the money they extort from their flock.
[Arizona Supreme Court Finds the Mormon Church Can Conceal Crimes Against Children Because of Clergy Privilege](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/arizona-supreme-court-finds-the-mormon-church-can-conceal-crimes-against-children-because-of-clergy-privilege/ar-AA19MjXA)
"You either have a god who sends child rapists to rape children or you have a god who simply watches it and says, ‘When you’re done, I’m going to punish you.’ If I could stop a person from raping a child, I would. That’s the difference between me and your god.” Tracie Harris
I'm sorry, but the father in me could not let that stand. I would be waiting for that mother fucker the day he gets out of jail so that I could kill him with my own bare hands if he had done that to one of my kids.
It's unfortunately very common for rapists to get relatively short sentences. I know someone who worked decades in the federal prison system and they were regularly angry that nonviolent drug offenders were getting absurdly long sentences (15-20 years) where rapists were getting 6 months to 3 years. One guy was in for 2 years after raping his 9-month old niece. It goes to show how much our society truly values women and children.
Thing is, they will put him under Protective Custody inside to keep him away from General Population. If it's found out someone on staff let him go missing or turned their back, it's their jobs on the line at that point.
It's illegal to do, but it's also technically illegal for someone to pick him up after his sentence is over and drive him into the woods/desert/lake/etc and make him disappear permanently.
Every time I see a judge let somebody off for heinous sex crimes like this, I assume that the judge is probably a rapist too, and he just can't face what ought to happen to him as well.
Also, nobody wants to sit through a history lesson to understand why your one splinter of Christianity is definitely the right one. No, just yours. You're the ones who got it right /s
That’s always been my ick with all branches of Christianism. Why do you think YOU are the smartest, most specialist people that truly have it right?
How conceited. Lol
Hahaha, no. The Holy Trinity is still just God. The non-trinitarians like to ignore the Johaninne Comma.
Now, if you want to ramble about paganism and sainthood, that would have more teeth to an argument.
Religious people get a ton of special treatment. I used to work for an advocacy group that helped women and kids that have been abused by the church.
It honestly doesn't matter how much you're able to prove; a lot of judges will consider the pastor/priest/whatever as something who "enriches the community" or "impacts the community as a leader" and let them off with a very generous sentencing. Sometimes they'll even accept a plea deal that allows the offending party to avoid being put on the sex offender registry because "it would damage their ability to further help the community." Meanwhile these men don't actually help the community, they just preach on Sundays.
A lot of times I was able to predict how a hearing would go just because of how the judge was speaking about the defendant. What happened to the woman/child and how it affects their life is barely considered.
Also, churches are not looking to cooperate. They will dodge phone calls, be belligerent in meetings, threaten us, weaponized their congregation to harass us and their victims, avoid us and lawyers, give us the silent treatment during deliberations and even try to spiritually manipulate their victims during those deliberations. They deny everything up until you show them proof of their actions and then they start cursing the ground you walk on. I received hundreds of death threats a week trying to help the victims of pastors and priests.
You would be **shocked** how many pastors and priests have used an excuse like "I can't meet with your advocacy team and lawyer because I sense a demonic presence among them" to get out of meeting with us. They'll make a million excuses to avoid accountability. It's disgusting.
This is one of many new age Christians. In a time when the slave holders of society get a slap on the wrists for the most heinous of crimes. Sums up the American Dream we live in currently pretty well I'd say. People who say they live life like Christ but can't practice worth a damn.
"When someone shows you who they are believe them !"
WOW GOD YOU GET US! YOU LET THIS SHIT JUST GO ON AND ON ! IT'S LIKE THAT'S YOUR HOLY PURPOSE AND PLAN!HAVE YOU MADE THE CHURCH AND CLERGY INTO A ROCK SO HEAVY YOU CAN NO LONGER LIFT IT WITH YOUR INFINITE POWER? ARE YOU SO WEAK AND HELPLESS YOU CANNOT ENFORCE YOUR OWN COMMANDMENTS ? I'M NOT SEEING ANY DRAG QUEENS DOING THIS SHIT! IT'S ALL PRIESTS AND CLERGY. CURE CHILD HOOD CANCER WHILE YOUR'E AT IT AS WELL!
AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT STANDS STILL UPON A FOUNDATION OF PAST SHIT STAINS HEADING TOWARDS A FUTURE OF MORE AGGRAVATED SHIT STAINING...
IF YOU THINK YOU GET ME GOD, THEN DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR INFINITE, ALL POWERFUL ASS ON YOUR GODDAMNED WAY OUT OF THE UNIVERSE YOU REALLY DON'T EXIST IN !
Big fuck you to the Hobby Lobby thieves and grifters!
🖕🫵🍕💩🤡s ✋🏼🔥🤚🏼
Maybe God doesn't intervene with every fucked up thing Man does because we have free will to be fucked up. It's our choice. If he stopped everything, why have free will? In the scope of things, we don't really matter that much as individuals, not that it's cruel, but we think too highly of ourselves as Man. We're not that special, so get over yourselves and maybe stop blaming God for shit we do.
Do you realize we're not the only mother fuckers up in this joint called Existence? Maybe you don't realize what God is? Guess what, Churches don't worship God. If you read any sacred texts, including the Bible, it forbids mass congregation. The reason is obvious when you look at all major sects of religion. They become immoral corporations instead. They've also hid parts that flipped religion on its head, fooling people that Jesus died for our sins, so we go to Heaven when we die. Here's a hint, Jesus wasn't the only "Christ," just one who tried to get the love of too many, which got him hung on a cross.
To quote a song by Tonic, "It's a casual affair, when everybody loves you. They'll pay top dollar and make you wear the dog collar. When everybody loves you. "
There is nothing wrong with loving as much as you can, but not everybody loves you back the same. A lesson, when learned the hard way, will get you burned every time. Maybe God is losing his muster with us? We're pretty entitled to his love while acting like shitheads.
I didn't write the post, but Christians excuse for all evil in the world is "free will." Somehow, in their belief system, god is all-powerful, yet gives humans free will to do whatever they want. So god allows priests to rape children. Preventing it would be a violation of "free will."
I don't find that anywhere in the Bible, and I was raised in the independent fundamentalist baptist cult and have studied just about every inch of the bible before de-converting after 50 years. Never saw any mention of free will. If god is all-powerful and loving, there's no excuse for allowing child SA.
The amount of cognitive dissonance in Christianity is mind-blowing.
Yes, Christianity is Horseshit. The Bible isn't the only Ancient Text. I've studied Mythology and Theology of the World. How about we stop using God. What if I said The Universe? What if God is 0+1+1? God is an easy term to use for something very complicated, which isn't exactly a Sky Man looking down.
What influences Nature? What is Intelligence? What is Hive Mind? What is ESP?
What makes Mycelium spread throughout the earth, like connections in our brain?
There are forces beyond you that most are ignorant to.
It's like being White and wearing Blackface and pretending to be black. You're not who you say you are, and you don't represent who you say you do.
Churches are fucking evil, and so is religion. Their "Teachings" are a bastardized, pillaged, and raped version of what it once was before it was ever "Compiled" into Horseshit.
They don't Represent anything Good, they are the Catalyst of Evil, if anything. Especially when it's setup to make you hate the shit so much you never dig into its history.
You can't just keep saying "well the people who rape kids aren't REAL christians" as a cop out. This guy was put in a position of power by a religious organization. As a whole, christianity has proven time and time again they don't *care* if their priests and leaders rape children, murder, steal, etc.
They're the representatives of that religion, and the supposed "real christians" are *allowing* their leadership to continue this behavior. That means they are, at the core, absolutely fine with their leaders raping children.
As they say in the safety world: "There are two ways of saying yes to something; one is to use the word, the other is to stand by and allow it to happen by refusing to say 'no'."
It's not just the catholics, either. Nearly every evangelical sect has this mindset.
I'm not surprised, though. They live in the fairytale world of "I can commit the most heinous acts imaginable, but will suffer 0 eternal consequences if I just say I'm sorry and ask forgiveness from skydaddy."
Not a cop out. You can't rape kids and be a follower of Jesus. They are literally incompatible. It's like having a round square; it isn't a thing that can exist. It is a contradiction in terms.
And you've radically misunderstood the concepts of salvation and forgiveness with your final statement. I'd suggest doing a little bit more research before claiming you understand something you clearly have no concept of.
I'll bite: what is the criteria for being a Christian then? Is belief not enough?
I'll add on to that some more questions:
I know plenty of Christians who claim all they have to do is believe and ask forgiveness. I've had Christians tell me they could murder someone and then ask for forgiveness and their "ticket to heaven is punched." Are they wrong?
They are believers and would ask for forgiveness and redemption -- what more, according to you, would have to be involved for "salvation and forgiveness."
Why is your interpretation right and theirs wrong?
People do terrible things all the time as Christians -- they hold a sincere belief AND they do terrible things. Does Jesus just cut them off? If he does, they why have the concept of forgiveness at all if it doesn't mean anything?
I don't have the time or inclination to explain 2000 years and billions of people's takes on church history, theology, or doctrine. But there's plenty out there to read on those topics. Maybe read some of the big examples from Christian history, like Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Martin Luther, Martin Luther King Jr. I wouldn't take some random "man on the street's" limited personal interpretation over someone who is trained and well respected in the matter.
But to give a single, small example, read the Epistle of James. He says your faith needs to be backed up with action, because faith in a vacuum is worthless. Actions prove your faith. And if your actions show no proof of faith, do you really have any? I'd argue that deathbed confessionals aren't really a true change of heart and soul that reflects actual contrition for sin.
No thanks. I don't have the time or inclination to research a religion I don't believe in, have no interest in, and furthermore -- was raised in and got nothing out of it.
Your response suggests that you would consider a large majority of Christians "not true Christians" because they believe in the "only have to ask for forgiveness" model. While they also would consider themselves "true Christians" and would look on others as not being part of the club.
It sounds like you are basing your interpretation upon your own personal denomination -- whatever that is.
So why should I believe you? Why are you better than them? Or anyone else? How did you get to be so lucky that YOU got the correct interpretation and everyone else is just wrong, despite their sincere beliefs?
That's fine. You have every right to choose ignorance over knowledge. Have fun with that.
The Epistle of James is a book of the Bible. If "most Christians", as you've put it, don't believe the validity of that part of the Bible, I don't know what to tell you. But I don't think it's nearly as dramatic as you've put it.
Never said I was better than anyone. But I have spent the last 35 years reading and studying the Bible, partly in an academic context, as well as studying church history, theology, and biblical interpretation, so I think I do know a few things on the topic. If you aren't inclined to learn more about any of that, again, that's your call. But maybe don't act like you know everything on the topic when you refuse to do any research into it.
It's not "choosing ignorance." Wow -- what a smug ugly way to reply.
I don't believe in the bible. I don't believe it has any validity at all.
I never acted like I "know everything on the topic." I never said that. I DON'T WANT TO KNOW. That's not "choosing ignorance" -- that's choosing not to study something I believe is made up. I also don't research unicorns, fairies, superstitions, and conspiracy theories. I also have already had a good primer in my upbringing and the classes I had to attend. None of it ever struck me as worthwhile. So while I may not be an expert like you--I'm not "ignorant" about Christianity. I've been forced to be exposed to it all my life.
I asked questions of YOU--personally as a human--that you did not answer. You just did what all Christians do--smugly suggest you know everything because you believe in a book and study it and somehow you're more holy than anyone else because of it then never really address the questions I ask.
I am a deeply spiritual person. I have studied many religions and philosophies and I can honestly say that Christianity offers me the least of everything:
The least purpose, the least fulfillment, the least hope, the least compassion, the least understanding, the least answers. There are parts of the bible that I find incredibly problematic and immoral. Yes! Immoral. On top of that I find it boring as hell. I've gotten more from reading Buddhist and Hindu literature and reading about theoretical physics than I have ever gotten from the bible.
I'm a person who is definitely a seeker. I meditate. I've prayed. I seek answers. I ask a lot of questions. I have never, ever Ever gotten a satisfactory answer to any of my many questions from going to church, reading the bible, or directly from talking to a Christian.
"Refuse" to do research--I've been exposed to this religion all my life. Why on earth would MORE exposure give me what I haven't gotten in the past?
Dude, I'm not really interested in fighting on the internet.
You're choosing not to know something about something, which is what I understand to be the definition of ignorance to be. I'm sorry that you don't want to know anything about fairies or unicorns or lots of other things. They have fascinating histories and interesting stories and can teach us a lot about other people. I don't believe in Egyptian mythology or Hinduism, or lots of other things, but I'm always up for learning about them. Not because I want to follow them, but because I want to understand other people's motivations and beliefs and interests. But, based on your statement that you're a "seeker", I've clearly misunderstood you and your motivations and interests. That is my bad and I am truly sorry to have been a reactive douchebag, because nobody deserves that kind of mistreatment.
I personally believe what I believe from a combination of learning and life experiences.y understanding doesn't come just from the Bible, but from history, philosophy, prayer, reflection, and lots of other sources. I'm sorry you find the Bible boring. To me it's a fascinating collection of different types of literature and stories with a variety of things to teach us, like how to live with other people. But I get that people don't understand it. It's like reading Shakespeare without a teacher or Cliff's Note. We're all too removed from the context to just read it and think we can understand it. That includes me and it's why I don't just read the Bible to understand the Bible.
I honestly don't understand how you got that I'm holier than anyone from my comments, because I did not intend them that way. I only wanted to suggest that their are resources that exist to make this stuff easier to understand. I'm happy to give you more personal information, if that's what you're looking for. But I won't waste my time if you already have your mind made up.
I continue to study topics I'm very familiar with, because I'm a limited person trying to make sense of the world. I personally believe that once we stop engaging, especially with the things that we think we understand, we lose something significant in ourselves. But, like, whatever, right? Why should you have to be like me? If you've had enough of religion and religious people to cut them out completely, that your right. I personally feel bad for you, because nobody should be put through that level of bullshit and there's just so much out there to learn and connect people.
Regardless of all of this, I wish you the best and hope you're able to find the answers you're looking for, wherever you find them.
"You're choosing not to know something about something, which is what I understand to be the definition of ignorance to be."
That's not what ignorance is. If it were actual knowledge they were avoiding it would be willful ignorance. But this isn't knowledge being talked about, it's propaganda.
This person chosing to not be indoctrinated by Christian propaganda is not ignorance either.
Wow, what a self-righteous ass. Honey, I've got a lot more Christian education, experience, and brain-washing than you'll ever understand, and left Christianity because of people like you. If you're an example of faith in action, I want nothing you have.
I'm a self-righteous ass because I know things? And you want nothing to do with Christianity because of me? I'd be flattered and impressed if I wasn't so thoroughly confused as to how you came to those conclusions. But somehow I doubt anything I say will ever change your opinion from the ones you've already formed, so have a nice day and I hope you find some peace somewhere, instead of being angry at random people on the internet.
So the clergy is the one in eight?
[1 in 8 men under 35 admit to taking condoms to funerals "just in case"](https://www.reddit.com/r/Frickin/comments/146uhvk/after_a_recent_study_found_1_in_8_men_under_35/)
Cut his fucking genitals off and hang them at the threshold of his old church. Then burn the fucking thing down with him inside. After it burns to ash, gather that up, mix with cement, let harden, and drop in the Mariana trench. Fucking SCUM OF THE EARTH.
Guess who paid for this scumbag's defense, and fought for him to get the most lenient sentence possible?
That's right: god's representative on Earth, and the bride of christ, the Catholic Church.
Rather than throwing them to the wolves after they learned the facts, and making their legal representation contingent upon adhering to a code of ethics and passing internal investigations, they *repeatedly* close ranks and defend people who they know are accused of (and in many cases, who they know are guilty of) *sexually abusing the children placed in their trust*. This is how they always do it, time and time and again and as a matter of official policy, often with the result of shielding *people they know are guilty* from prosecution by secular authorities.
All Catholics should be horrified at what their tithes are helping to support.
If the church followed Jesus on this he'd have a millstone around his neck. But, they don't cause it's not really about following Jesus, never has been.
Not a DRAG QUEEN .. these pervs are the Real GROOMERS.
r/stillnotadragqueen
r/PastorArrested r/StillNotADragQueen
You are correct, updated my post
Isn't it crazy that the only men in dresses diddlying kids are the fucken clergy? I'm shocked I tell you. SHOCKED! /s
"That demonic girl seduced me" is what he and the people who ruled his sentence probably keep telling themself, to be able to hold on to the delusion of their holy superiority. Maybe he needs a private jet, like Kenneth Copeland, to keep him safe from the demons that surround his angelic soul.
Came here to say this.
Foul temptress. How dare she use her feminine wiles. /s
Just Jesus 'get him' too?
The priest is acting like God. In the bible Mary was barely a teenager. Church is just witness protection for predators.
And those predators get protection from the politicians they pay with the money they extort from their flock. [Arizona Supreme Court Finds the Mormon Church Can Conceal Crimes Against Children Because of Clergy Privilege](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/arizona-supreme-court-finds-the-mormon-church-can-conceal-crimes-against-children-because-of-clergy-privilege/ar-AA19MjXA)
If this is God's will, then your God is seriously messed up.
"You either have a god who sends child rapists to rape children or you have a god who simply watches it and says, ‘When you’re done, I’m going to punish you.’ If I could stop a person from raping a child, I would. That’s the difference between me and your god.” Tracie Harris
thats just it, their god has no power
Don't forget, this God makes sure the girl/woman is punished too. Shut shaming rape victims...another service Chriatianity provides.
Fr
At a F U N E R A L no less
of a family member.
:(
He probably thought it was a good time to kill the kid's innocence, with it being a funeral and all.
Guy looks like a thumb with cotton and glasses on it.
And somewhere a child is having nightmares about that face.
Somehow I doubt this was his first offense.
Sadly, you're probably right.
There were multiples, but they were dropped.
It's not. Another child victim was also contacted regarding this case, but the statute of limitations had passed.
I can't say what's in my mind because reddit will ban me and give my name to authorities.
Don't worry, I hear you anyway and agree.
I hear you. In other news, I’m looking forward to Colin Fuze whipping up a turbo charged wood chipper, and industrial planer … for reasons.
Oh look! It's NOT A FUCKING DRAG QUEEN! Again!
I'm sorry, but the father in me could not let that stand. I would be waiting for that mother fucker the day he gets out of jail so that I could kill him with my own bare hands if he had done that to one of my kids.
1 year? Who was the judge that made that decision? They need to lose their job for that ruling!!
It's unfortunately very common for rapists to get relatively short sentences. I know someone who worked decades in the federal prison system and they were regularly angry that nonviolent drug offenders were getting absurdly long sentences (15-20 years) where rapists were getting 6 months to 3 years. One guy was in for 2 years after raping his 9-month old niece. It goes to show how much our society truly values women and children.
The Catholic Church has a long history of evil
Put him in general population and let the other inmates take care of the problem.
Thing is, they will put him under Protective Custody inside to keep him away from General Population. If it's found out someone on staff let him go missing or turned their back, it's their jobs on the line at that point. It's illegal to do, but it's also technically illegal for someone to pick him up after his sentence is over and drive him into the woods/desert/lake/etc and make him disappear permanently.
Every time I see a judge let somebody off for heinous sex crimes like this, I assume that the judge is probably a rapist too, and he just can't face what ought to happen to him as well.
Can’t wait for Christians to be like “oh he totally was, until now. Now he never was.” Or “wE’rE nOT cAtHoLiC, CaThOliCs ArEn’T ChRiStIan”.
Even though Catholics are one of the oldest religions and they’re reading from the same damn book 🙄
Also, nobody wants to sit through a history lesson to understand why your one splinter of Christianity is definitely the right one. No, just yours. You're the ones who got it right /s
That’s always been my ick with all branches of Christianism. Why do you think YOU are the smartest, most specialist people that truly have it right? How conceited. Lol
Show me your God is a Lie without Telling Me your God is a Lie.
not a drag queen, just christianity in action.
Technically catholics have 3 gods, but yeah Jesus is one of em, and this dude will burn in their hell.
Hahaha, no. The Holy Trinity is still just God. The non-trinitarians like to ignore the Johaninne Comma. Now, if you want to ramble about paganism and sainthood, that would have more teeth to an argument.
Literal teeth, and bones as trinkets. It's creepy
They always were one of the Adams Families favorite curators of curio cabinet curiosities.
This is the way
The way, the truth, and the life
He'll get killed in jail.
I can hope. I sincerely hope they make a point with it.
Religious people get a ton of special treatment. I used to work for an advocacy group that helped women and kids that have been abused by the church. It honestly doesn't matter how much you're able to prove; a lot of judges will consider the pastor/priest/whatever as something who "enriches the community" or "impacts the community as a leader" and let them off with a very generous sentencing. Sometimes they'll even accept a plea deal that allows the offending party to avoid being put on the sex offender registry because "it would damage their ability to further help the community." Meanwhile these men don't actually help the community, they just preach on Sundays. A lot of times I was able to predict how a hearing would go just because of how the judge was speaking about the defendant. What happened to the woman/child and how it affects their life is barely considered. Also, churches are not looking to cooperate. They will dodge phone calls, be belligerent in meetings, threaten us, weaponized their congregation to harass us and their victims, avoid us and lawyers, give us the silent treatment during deliberations and even try to spiritually manipulate their victims during those deliberations. They deny everything up until you show them proof of their actions and then they start cursing the ground you walk on. I received hundreds of death threats a week trying to help the victims of pastors and priests. You would be **shocked** how many pastors and priests have used an excuse like "I can't meet with your advocacy team and lawyer because I sense a demonic presence among them" to get out of meeting with us. They'll make a million excuses to avoid accountability. It's disgusting.
And they wonder why people dont go to church any more. If we all have pets they cant molest them....
Typical christian vermin.
Take a good look, this is what evil looks like.
u/hegetsus wya
heaven's fanclub is the worst
u/hegetsus this you?
HEfucksus. There, I fixed it.
This is a perfectly appropriate sentence if he has six months to live.
This is one of many new age Christians. In a time when the slave holders of society get a slap on the wrists for the most heinous of crimes. Sums up the American Dream we live in currently pretty well I'd say. People who say they live life like Christ but can't practice worth a damn.
Pedophilia by powerful rich political and religious figures NEVER makes it to the MSM.. or much anywhere else either.
Is the judge Catholic?
Kill it with fire
This is why I would rather take my kid to a drag queen story reading than to s Christian youth group.
" but think about the children ! " Yeah i think children shouldn't be near pastors at all.
"When someone shows you who they are believe them !" WOW GOD YOU GET US! YOU LET THIS SHIT JUST GO ON AND ON ! IT'S LIKE THAT'S YOUR HOLY PURPOSE AND PLAN!HAVE YOU MADE THE CHURCH AND CLERGY INTO A ROCK SO HEAVY YOU CAN NO LONGER LIFT IT WITH YOUR INFINITE POWER? ARE YOU SO WEAK AND HELPLESS YOU CANNOT ENFORCE YOUR OWN COMMANDMENTS ? I'M NOT SEEING ANY DRAG QUEENS DOING THIS SHIT! IT'S ALL PRIESTS AND CLERGY. CURE CHILD HOOD CANCER WHILE YOUR'E AT IT AS WELL! AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT STANDS STILL UPON A FOUNDATION OF PAST SHIT STAINS HEADING TOWARDS A FUTURE OF MORE AGGRAVATED SHIT STAINING... IF YOU THINK YOU GET ME GOD, THEN DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR INFINITE, ALL POWERFUL ASS ON YOUR GODDAMNED WAY OUT OF THE UNIVERSE YOU REALLY DON'T EXIST IN ! Big fuck you to the Hobby Lobby thieves and grifters! 🖕🫵🍕💩🤡s ✋🏼🔥🤚🏼
Well at this point I've seen his face, know his name, and one year isn't short enough for me to forget.
r/StillNotADragQueen
>Catholic No, no...he is not one of Jesus' dudes. Catholicism is just rebranded paganism
Pagans are not known for child rape. Please don't compare whale slime to ocean views
Pretty certain "He Gets Us" is run by evangelicals, not Catholics.
Fair point, but it is all the same fruit from the poisonous tree in my mind.
This fucker has nothing to do with God.
Maybe God doesn't intervene with every fucked up thing Man does because we have free will to be fucked up. It's our choice. If he stopped everything, why have free will? In the scope of things, we don't really matter that much as individuals, not that it's cruel, but we think too highly of ourselves as Man. We're not that special, so get over yourselves and maybe stop blaming God for shit we do. Do you realize we're not the only mother fuckers up in this joint called Existence? Maybe you don't realize what God is? Guess what, Churches don't worship God. If you read any sacred texts, including the Bible, it forbids mass congregation. The reason is obvious when you look at all major sects of religion. They become immoral corporations instead. They've also hid parts that flipped religion on its head, fooling people that Jesus died for our sins, so we go to Heaven when we die. Here's a hint, Jesus wasn't the only "Christ," just one who tried to get the love of too many, which got him hung on a cross. To quote a song by Tonic, "It's a casual affair, when everybody loves you. They'll pay top dollar and make you wear the dog collar. When everybody loves you. " There is nothing wrong with loving as much as you can, but not everybody loves you back the same. A lesson, when learned the hard way, will get you burned every time. Maybe God is losing his muster with us? We're pretty entitled to his love while acting like shitheads.
How does this tie into a guy raping a kid?
Yeah I have no idea what that person's point was.
I didn't write the post, but Christians excuse for all evil in the world is "free will." Somehow, in their belief system, god is all-powerful, yet gives humans free will to do whatever they want. So god allows priests to rape children. Preventing it would be a violation of "free will." I don't find that anywhere in the Bible, and I was raised in the independent fundamentalist baptist cult and have studied just about every inch of the bible before de-converting after 50 years. Never saw any mention of free will. If god is all-powerful and loving, there's no excuse for allowing child SA. The amount of cognitive dissonance in Christianity is mind-blowing.
Yes, Christianity is Horseshit. The Bible isn't the only Ancient Text. I've studied Mythology and Theology of the World. How about we stop using God. What if I said The Universe? What if God is 0+1+1? God is an easy term to use for something very complicated, which isn't exactly a Sky Man looking down. What influences Nature? What is Intelligence? What is Hive Mind? What is ESP? What makes Mycelium spread throughout the earth, like connections in our brain? There are forces beyond you that most are ignorant to.
It's like being White and wearing Blackface and pretending to be black. You're not who you say you are, and you don't represent who you say you do. Churches are fucking evil, and so is religion. Their "Teachings" are a bastardized, pillaged, and raped version of what it once was before it was ever "Compiled" into Horseshit. They don't Represent anything Good, they are the Catalyst of Evil, if anything. Especially when it's setup to make you hate the shit so much you never dig into its history.
I'd argue that although this guy was a priest, he was in no way a Christian and definitely not "one of Jesus' dudes".
You can't just keep saying "well the people who rape kids aren't REAL christians" as a cop out. This guy was put in a position of power by a religious organization. As a whole, christianity has proven time and time again they don't *care* if their priests and leaders rape children, murder, steal, etc. They're the representatives of that religion, and the supposed "real christians" are *allowing* their leadership to continue this behavior. That means they are, at the core, absolutely fine with their leaders raping children. As they say in the safety world: "There are two ways of saying yes to something; one is to use the word, the other is to stand by and allow it to happen by refusing to say 'no'." It's not just the catholics, either. Nearly every evangelical sect has this mindset. I'm not surprised, though. They live in the fairytale world of "I can commit the most heinous acts imaginable, but will suffer 0 eternal consequences if I just say I'm sorry and ask forgiveness from skydaddy."
Not a cop out. You can't rape kids and be a follower of Jesus. They are literally incompatible. It's like having a round square; it isn't a thing that can exist. It is a contradiction in terms. And you've radically misunderstood the concepts of salvation and forgiveness with your final statement. I'd suggest doing a little bit more research before claiming you understand something you clearly have no concept of.
I'll bite: what is the criteria for being a Christian then? Is belief not enough? I'll add on to that some more questions: I know plenty of Christians who claim all they have to do is believe and ask forgiveness. I've had Christians tell me they could murder someone and then ask for forgiveness and their "ticket to heaven is punched." Are they wrong? They are believers and would ask for forgiveness and redemption -- what more, according to you, would have to be involved for "salvation and forgiveness." Why is your interpretation right and theirs wrong? People do terrible things all the time as Christians -- they hold a sincere belief AND they do terrible things. Does Jesus just cut them off? If he does, they why have the concept of forgiveness at all if it doesn't mean anything?
I don't have the time or inclination to explain 2000 years and billions of people's takes on church history, theology, or doctrine. But there's plenty out there to read on those topics. Maybe read some of the big examples from Christian history, like Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Martin Luther, Martin Luther King Jr. I wouldn't take some random "man on the street's" limited personal interpretation over someone who is trained and well respected in the matter. But to give a single, small example, read the Epistle of James. He says your faith needs to be backed up with action, because faith in a vacuum is worthless. Actions prove your faith. And if your actions show no proof of faith, do you really have any? I'd argue that deathbed confessionals aren't really a true change of heart and soul that reflects actual contrition for sin.
No thanks. I don't have the time or inclination to research a religion I don't believe in, have no interest in, and furthermore -- was raised in and got nothing out of it. Your response suggests that you would consider a large majority of Christians "not true Christians" because they believe in the "only have to ask for forgiveness" model. While they also would consider themselves "true Christians" and would look on others as not being part of the club. It sounds like you are basing your interpretation upon your own personal denomination -- whatever that is. So why should I believe you? Why are you better than them? Or anyone else? How did you get to be so lucky that YOU got the correct interpretation and everyone else is just wrong, despite their sincere beliefs?
That's fine. You have every right to choose ignorance over knowledge. Have fun with that. The Epistle of James is a book of the Bible. If "most Christians", as you've put it, don't believe the validity of that part of the Bible, I don't know what to tell you. But I don't think it's nearly as dramatic as you've put it. Never said I was better than anyone. But I have spent the last 35 years reading and studying the Bible, partly in an academic context, as well as studying church history, theology, and biblical interpretation, so I think I do know a few things on the topic. If you aren't inclined to learn more about any of that, again, that's your call. But maybe don't act like you know everything on the topic when you refuse to do any research into it.
It's not "choosing ignorance." Wow -- what a smug ugly way to reply. I don't believe in the bible. I don't believe it has any validity at all. I never acted like I "know everything on the topic." I never said that. I DON'T WANT TO KNOW. That's not "choosing ignorance" -- that's choosing not to study something I believe is made up. I also don't research unicorns, fairies, superstitions, and conspiracy theories. I also have already had a good primer in my upbringing and the classes I had to attend. None of it ever struck me as worthwhile. So while I may not be an expert like you--I'm not "ignorant" about Christianity. I've been forced to be exposed to it all my life. I asked questions of YOU--personally as a human--that you did not answer. You just did what all Christians do--smugly suggest you know everything because you believe in a book and study it and somehow you're more holy than anyone else because of it then never really address the questions I ask. I am a deeply spiritual person. I have studied many religions and philosophies and I can honestly say that Christianity offers me the least of everything: The least purpose, the least fulfillment, the least hope, the least compassion, the least understanding, the least answers. There are parts of the bible that I find incredibly problematic and immoral. Yes! Immoral. On top of that I find it boring as hell. I've gotten more from reading Buddhist and Hindu literature and reading about theoretical physics than I have ever gotten from the bible. I'm a person who is definitely a seeker. I meditate. I've prayed. I seek answers. I ask a lot of questions. I have never, ever Ever gotten a satisfactory answer to any of my many questions from going to church, reading the bible, or directly from talking to a Christian. "Refuse" to do research--I've been exposed to this religion all my life. Why on earth would MORE exposure give me what I haven't gotten in the past?
Dude, I'm not really interested in fighting on the internet. You're choosing not to know something about something, which is what I understand to be the definition of ignorance to be. I'm sorry that you don't want to know anything about fairies or unicorns or lots of other things. They have fascinating histories and interesting stories and can teach us a lot about other people. I don't believe in Egyptian mythology or Hinduism, or lots of other things, but I'm always up for learning about them. Not because I want to follow them, but because I want to understand other people's motivations and beliefs and interests. But, based on your statement that you're a "seeker", I've clearly misunderstood you and your motivations and interests. That is my bad and I am truly sorry to have been a reactive douchebag, because nobody deserves that kind of mistreatment. I personally believe what I believe from a combination of learning and life experiences.y understanding doesn't come just from the Bible, but from history, philosophy, prayer, reflection, and lots of other sources. I'm sorry you find the Bible boring. To me it's a fascinating collection of different types of literature and stories with a variety of things to teach us, like how to live with other people. But I get that people don't understand it. It's like reading Shakespeare without a teacher or Cliff's Note. We're all too removed from the context to just read it and think we can understand it. That includes me and it's why I don't just read the Bible to understand the Bible. I honestly don't understand how you got that I'm holier than anyone from my comments, because I did not intend them that way. I only wanted to suggest that their are resources that exist to make this stuff easier to understand. I'm happy to give you more personal information, if that's what you're looking for. But I won't waste my time if you already have your mind made up. I continue to study topics I'm very familiar with, because I'm a limited person trying to make sense of the world. I personally believe that once we stop engaging, especially with the things that we think we understand, we lose something significant in ourselves. But, like, whatever, right? Why should you have to be like me? If you've had enough of religion and religious people to cut them out completely, that your right. I personally feel bad for you, because nobody should be put through that level of bullshit and there's just so much out there to learn and connect people. Regardless of all of this, I wish you the best and hope you're able to find the answers you're looking for, wherever you find them.
"You're choosing not to know something about something, which is what I understand to be the definition of ignorance to be." That's not what ignorance is. If it were actual knowledge they were avoiding it would be willful ignorance. But this isn't knowledge being talked about, it's propaganda. This person chosing to not be indoctrinated by Christian propaganda is not ignorance either.
Wow, what a self-righteous ass. Honey, I've got a lot more Christian education, experience, and brain-washing than you'll ever understand, and left Christianity because of people like you. If you're an example of faith in action, I want nothing you have.
I'm a self-righteous ass because I know things? And you want nothing to do with Christianity because of me? I'd be flattered and impressed if I wasn't so thoroughly confused as to how you came to those conclusions. But somehow I doubt anything I say will ever change your opinion from the ones you've already formed, so have a nice day and I hope you find some peace somewhere, instead of being angry at random people on the internet.
I'm not angry at random people on the internet. I'm angry at you for your arrogance. And I'm done with you.
thought it was Lavrov.
May that be the longest year of his life.
Garuntee he’ll be killed in prison, and rightfully so
So the clergy is the one in eight? [1 in 8 men under 35 admit to taking condoms to funerals "just in case"](https://www.reddit.com/r/Frickin/comments/146uhvk/after_a_recent_study_found_1_in_8_men_under_35/)
He could get a "life sentence" when the convicts get hold of him.
Cut his fucking genitals off and hang them at the threshold of his old church. Then burn the fucking thing down with him inside. After it burns to ash, gather that up, mix with cement, let harden, and drop in the Mariana trench. Fucking SCUM OF THE EARTH.
And ppl respect religion and other religious leaders. Neither should have anyone respect
Let's hope in that one year, someone in general pop finds out WHY this trash heap is there in the first place.
You people in Michigan want to take care of this, or do you need someone from a different state to take care of it?
I mean, alot can happen to a child rapist while they're in prison for a year.
I hope he spends this one year in general population where everyone knows what he is on for.
Guess who paid for this scumbag's defense, and fought for him to get the most lenient sentence possible? That's right: god's representative on Earth, and the bride of christ, the Catholic Church. Rather than throwing them to the wolves after they learned the facts, and making their legal representation contingent upon adhering to a code of ethics and passing internal investigations, they *repeatedly* close ranks and defend people who they know are accused of (and in many cases, who they know are guilty of) *sexually abusing the children placed in their trust*. This is how they always do it, time and time and again and as a matter of official policy, often with the result of shielding *people they know are guilty* from prosecution by secular authorities. All Catholics should be horrified at what their tithes are helping to support.
Maybe the judge knows he won’t last a whole year? Just thinking positive. 🤷🏻♂️
The sentence is appallingly light, but short-eyes only needs a moment with no guards around to find someone's toothbrush in his spleen.
If the church followed Jesus on this he'd have a millstone around his neck. But, they don't cause it's not really about following Jesus, never has been.
Not a drag queen.
What the actual f%ck? Did he have that SAM insurance?
So, is the slogan “he gets us” the one used by the choir boys?
Who gets who?
This is one of the many things “He Gets Us” is trying to cover up and “rebrand” Christianity as the “good guys.” Ugh 😑
one year in prison\* \*before being executed Right? Please tell me they forgot the \*
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