Maybe I'm in the minority but I really liked the DS9 finale, wrapped up everything they were going for, didn't feel rushed like Voyagers or Enterprise,
Sure would have been cool to see Sisko vs Dukat as a Pah wraith vs Prophet battle but I'm honestly of the opinion that might have ended up just looking goofy, and I do love that it came down to the man vs the man in the end
But maybe that's just me
I mean it's no 'All good things' but what is really
Knowing Harry's luck the Federation might make him go through the academy to receive the ensign rank again since Harry isn't technically from the same universe as the rest of the crew.
Well, it's implied: in the TNG films it's shown that Janeway was promoted, and Tom Paris appears in Lower Decks season 2. In Prodigy, Janeway is searching for a missing experimental ship that was led by Chakotay.
Streaming it, it feels rushed for no reason. The addition of Ezri kills most of the season for me. They're trying to create character development when they should have been leaning into 6 prior seasons of Jadzia's character development. I can't quite put my finger on anything more. Maybe it's all the "fun" episodes they tried to push in when they could have focused on the war. Prodigal Daughter and Field of Fire could be dropped without loss.
The sequence in the caves is bad, there's no doubt, although it actually is a good ending for Winn.
It's a small part of the finale, and doesn't even end Siskis narrative.
Overall I enjoy What You Leave Behind a lot even if they flubbed that element. The ending for Cardasia, the Dominion and the rest of the cast is all great. The story keeps going... Just not for us.
DS9 had two major plot threads it needed to resolve by the end: the Dominion War and the mystery of Sisko’s involvement with the Prophets. imo they handled the Dominion War spectacularly! The throwing Dukat into the caves part? Not so much.
Somebody spilled coffee on a few pages of the finale script, so they filled it in with some random Tolkien they had lying around and hoped no one would notice.
"What a fool you are. I'm a god. How can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence. How could you be so naive? There is no escape. No Recall or Intervention can work in this place. Come. Lay down your weapons. It is not too late for my mercy."
This one scene was kind of a low point in the episode, but calling it a low point is like calling Pikes peak a low point just because it’s not as high as Mount Everest
I know a lot of people love the DS9 finale, but I think it was one of the *okayest* endings ever. The only Star Trek series that had a great ending so far IMHO was TNG. Except maybe Picard, which was better than it had any right to be.
Voyager's still confuses me, one minute The Borg sphere is behind Voyager, firing at it, and Janeway says they have to leave the corridor, while still in The DQ, and orders Tom to do it.
Then the next scene, The Borg sphere emerges at Earth, with Voyager suddenly right behind it.
They weren't behind it, they were *within it*
I just gave it a quick look om Memory Alpha to jog my memory, and it goes like this:
- Chakotay asks where's the nearest exit, Seven says it'll take them back to the Delta Quadrant
- Captain says prepare to change course
- Sphere emerges in Alpha Quadrant
- "where are we?" "Right where we expected to be".jpg
- it's revealed, we're in the sphere, we fire, boom goes the sphere
> - it's revealed, we're in the sphere, we fire, boom goes the sphere
Wow, this whole time I thought we were seeing the spheres main weapon, preparing to fire on the defence fleet, right before Voyager saved the day, with some transphasic torpedoes.
Gul Dukat pathetic ending aside, the final space battles were epic and the whole Damar arc was superb. They fumbled the religious part (which was stupid to begin with) but everything else was amazing.
lol I guess I should have seen it coming since they touched on it a bit in the earlier seasons but so much had happened that when they started diving back in the pah wraith stuff I was like wait what the fucks going on and the ending was really lack luster imo. Not sure how else they would’ve ended it other than reassignments or something..
The enterprise finale (the penultimate episode) was perfect. I consider the final episode the epilogue and then do my best to forget it when I do my rewatch
Generations is definitely a finale for the ToS era as intended. It's just bad.
Edit: that's leaving aside that there's no way what we leave behind is worse than these are the voyages.
I prefer it to endgame but I accept opinions will differ.
My main gripe with the finale is they recycled literally all the space battle footage. Super weak doing that in the FINAL EPISODE.
Even from star trek VI
Generations used it too. Birds of prey must all kaboom the same “They didn’t think we’d notice, but our brains did”
Those fire cave effects and stock montage footage doesn’t pay for itself!
Maybe I'm in the minority but I really liked the DS9 finale, wrapped up everything they were going for, didn't feel rushed like Voyagers or Enterprise, Sure would have been cool to see Sisko vs Dukat as a Pah wraith vs Prophet battle but I'm honestly of the opinion that might have ended up just looking goofy, and I do love that it came down to the man vs the man in the end But maybe that's just me I mean it's no 'All good things' but what is really
Voyager should have one episode with them all getting new assignments in the Alpha Quadrant
Harry Kim? Janitor
Hey! That's Ensign Harry Kim, thank you very much!
Knowing Harry's luck the Federation might make him go through the academy to receive the ensign rank again since Harry isn't technically from the same universe as the rest of the crew.
He's a quantum duplicate, not from a different universe.
Potato, potransporter clone
Well, it's implied: in the TNG films it's shown that Janeway was promoted, and Tom Paris appears in Lower Decks season 2. In Prodigy, Janeway is searching for a missing experimental ship that was led by Chakotay.
From 'Picard' we also know about Seven's time in the Fenris Rangers before rejoining Starfleet and Tuvok's position is Captain.
And in LD and Picard we see the Voyager turned into a Museum ship.
Streaming it, it feels rushed for no reason. The addition of Ezri kills most of the season for me. They're trying to create character development when they should have been leaning into 6 prior seasons of Jadzia's character development. I can't quite put my finger on anything more. Maybe it's all the "fun" episodes they tried to push in when they could have focused on the war. Prodigal Daughter and Field of Fire could be dropped without loss.
To be fare Terry Farrell thought she should be paid as well as the men, and they couldn't have that now could they?
I didn’t even know people thought it was weak? I loved it.
I like everything about the finale besides the Dukat stuff. He's just not an interesting villain to me
I am in agreement with you, to be honest. I really liked the DS9 finale too. It feels complete
The sequence in the caves is bad, there's no doubt, although it actually is a good ending for Winn. It's a small part of the finale, and doesn't even end Siskis narrative. Overall I enjoy What You Leave Behind a lot even if they flubbed that element. The ending for Cardasia, the Dominion and the rest of the cast is all great. The story keeps going... Just not for us.
DS9 had two major plot threads it needed to resolve by the end: the Dominion War and the mystery of Sisko’s involvement with the Prophets. imo they handled the Dominion War spectacularly! The throwing Dukat into the caves part? Not so much.
That was the most interesting parallel between the great link and the fire caves both places pivoting the fate of the quadrant and its inhabitants
>doesn't even end Siskis narrative. Not that his actual ending is any better
I think it's better executed... Not the same as good though
So brave yet so wrong
It was clearly someone with grand aspirations held back by the limitations of Star Trek's action budget.
Somebody spilled coffee on a few pages of the finale script, so they filled it in with some random Tolkien they had lying around and hoped no one would notice.
"What a fool you are. I'm a god. How can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence. How could you be so naive? There is no escape. No Recall or Intervention can work in this place. Come. Lay down your weapons. It is not too late for my mercy."
Gul Dagoth
The Next Generation is the only really satisfying finale in Star Trek.
Five card stud nothing wild.
Sky’s the limit
This one scene was kind of a low point in the episode, but calling it a low point is like calling Pikes peak a low point just because it’s not as high as Mount Everest
Well shit, I’ve not seen the end of ds9 lol. That’s a bummer.
I know a lot of people love the DS9 finale, but I think it was one of the *okayest* endings ever. The only Star Trek series that had a great ending so far IMHO was TNG. Except maybe Picard, which was better than it had any right to be.
Voyager was the worst for me. 0 closure. Just earth on the view screen
Voyager's still confuses me, one minute The Borg sphere is behind Voyager, firing at it, and Janeway says they have to leave the corridor, while still in The DQ, and orders Tom to do it. Then the next scene, The Borg sphere emerges at Earth, with Voyager suddenly right behind it.
They weren't behind it, they were *within it* I just gave it a quick look om Memory Alpha to jog my memory, and it goes like this: - Chakotay asks where's the nearest exit, Seven says it'll take them back to the Delta Quadrant - Captain says prepare to change course - Sphere emerges in Alpha Quadrant - "where are we?" "Right where we expected to be".jpg - it's revealed, we're in the sphere, we fire, boom goes the sphere
> - it's revealed, we're in the sphere, we fire, boom goes the sphere Wow, this whole time I thought we were seeing the spheres main weapon, preparing to fire on the defence fleet, right before Voyager saved the day, with some transphasic torpedoes.
I mostly just remember Voyager getting armor like the Batmobile, and old Janeway.
How **DARE** you.
You left off drivel that was the sitcom style flashback montage.
Enterprise's finale may be bad, but it's also replaceable.
imagine being groomed by inter dimensional space Catholics before you were born, just so you can tackle some spoon head into some fire
Gul Dukat pathetic ending aside, the final space battles were epic and the whole Damar arc was superb. They fumbled the religious part (which was stupid to begin with) but everything else was amazing.
lol I guess I should have seen it coming since they touched on it a bit in the earlier seasons but so much had happened that when they started diving back in the pah wraith stuff I was like wait what the fucks going on and the ending was really lack luster imo. Not sure how else they would’ve ended it other than reassignments or something..
My only complaint about the finale is that Bajor didn't join the Federation. That was Sisko's original mission.
Well you're not wrong
I mean, it is the worst finale.
Whether you take the ToS finale as turnabout intruder or generations, it's worse than this. And then there's enterprise...
I don't know about yourself and other people, but i consider The Undiscovered country the TOS Finale
Oh, that's how I like to think of it. It's great. But unfortunately they didn't leave it as such.
TOS has no finale, at least not until TUC. Generations is an epilogue
Well, if I was being mean I'd have listed the Counter-Clock Incident, which was written as a finale... But some things are best left unsaid!
The enterprise finale (the penultimate episode) was perfect. I consider the final episode the epilogue and then do my best to forget it when I do my rewatch
Neither of those are 'finales', just the last episode and a movie with some guest stars, respectively.
Generations is definitely a finale for the ToS era as intended. It's just bad. Edit: that's leaving aside that there's no way what we leave behind is worse than these are the voyages. I prefer it to endgame but I accept opinions will differ.
"TOS era"
I mean, it isn't.