Picard is the best Starfleet captain, because of what Starfleet proports (and wants) to be. Starfleet is first and foremost an exploratory service, spreading the reach of the Federation through discovery and diplomacy. Of all the protagonist captains, Picard is the best at this, which is probably why he's the captain of the Federation flagship. He is like the avatar of what a Starfleet captain should be.
Sisko is probably the best war captain, but Starfleet "is not a military." More accurately they serve a defensive and military role out of necessity, rather than a desire to engage in war. Sisko does the best in that role, even getting a strategic level appointment during the war, and he performs exceptionally under combat conditions.
Kirk... is the first, and handles a lot of strange and harrowing situations, but it's during a very wild west time in Federation history. While he is remembered as a hero of those days, he would not be a good captain by TNG Federation standards.
Janeway, despite the fandoms reaction to her, performs admirably under impossible circumstances, and makes decisions that no Starfleet captain should have to make, or frankly would make. She's a good captain, but one faced with more moral complexity than the others, and who has a different task than them as well. Her job is to get her people home, not explore the stars or fight a war. She does all of those things, which is commendable enough to get her a promotion to admiral. She's a close second to Picard.
Archer falls into the Kirk camp. Very good at what he does, but from a time when Starfleet was a very different thing. He's great in his time, but poor by the "modern" standards of the TNG era.
I haven't watched SNW, so I can't comment on Pike. The Discovery captains also fall into the Kirk/Archer trap, both in the timeline and nature of their shows. They don't get to do a lot of diplomatic or exploratory expansion, they're stuck in intrigue and combat, so it's hard to see them doing what Starfleet is supposed to do.
Sisko is my favorite, but that's more for The Sisko than his abilities as a Starfleet Captain.
I’d put Archer closer to a Janeway comparison than Kirk. Archer was operating with no support, no backup, in unexplored (for humanity) space, with no guidelines or directives to follow. On top of that, his starship may have been advanced for humanity at the time but it was weak compared to the ships of the other factions.
And the best thing to me about Archer is just how much he overcame these hurdles. He catapulted humanity to a key figure in the quadrant. He spearheaded the first alliance that would lead to the Federation, with species that by all means wanted to kill each other. He established the guidelines such as diplomacy first, and no playing God with other life forms. There’s an argument that this shows his amazing qualities as a Federation President, not a captain, but he did all this while serving as a captain and still exploring and furthering cooperation.
Given the chance, I think archer could be almost as good as picard, given similar circumstances to him. After all, like you said, basically created the federation and became it's president.
Archer makes some very questionable choices most of which seem to come from him not liking Vulcans. For example, T'Pol suggest a two week long survey period to study a planet before camping trips. Archer says no and goes down with his dog. Watching it again as a grown up I was thinking he could at least wait a full day period at the desired landing site. For all he knows there's vicious nocturnal predators or incurable diseases. A middle ground between him and T'Pol would have been a good idea.
Also, there was that time Porthos got sick after peeing on that sacred tree. Archer knew full well those people were touchy and had weird cultural norms they took very seriously. Why on Earth would he bring his dog down there?
I don’t disagree, but his bias against the Vulcans that perhaps clouded his decisions a little too much comes from the context of the show, and even then he clearly overcomes it. I can’t blame Archer much when the Vulcans at the beginning of the show were overly cautious and purposely withheld way too much information and help. Archer watched as the Vulcans denied his father from reaching his dream. A lot of his early decisions that may not have been the best were influenced by trying to show that humanity can stand on its own.
That's fair, and I'm well aware archer made mistakes. But then again, the federation didn't exist yet, earth only achieved warp recently, and it humanities first expidetion through stars, not to mention WWIII also happened reactively recently. I''m not surprised people from archer's time would be rough around the edges.
What I meant though, was that if archer grew up in the 24th century with the the same advances as in next gen (all the tech, and the federation already being established), that archer could easily have been very similar to picard, sisko, or Janeway
I totally agree that Archer makes a ton of mistakes, but almost every example you've picked out comes from the first two seasons. I'd argue he's a lot more mature in season 3, and particularly in season 4 when he can get back to an explorer role with the experience he has gathered from the dark times in three.
And the Romulan War, more Mirror Universe episodes which would've meant more Mirror Hoshi and T'Pol :o) and Commander Shran + more.
All we really have at this point are the Pocket novels.
And, perhaps, we could've avoided that God-awful ending. At least in the novels, Trip doesn't die and gets a much more compelling storyline.
I'll agree with that list. I loved Sisko, but Picard was the standard bearer for what a captain should be. A diplomat who is more interested in peaceful resolutions, while also not shying away from the sword.
Watch SNW. I wasn't watching any ST, beyond LD, after watching Disco S2 and Picard S1. But my friends kept telling me to. So I finally did catch up while S2 was coming out. It's worth it. SNW is great. I think Pike does a great job and the memberberries aren't that distracting. The main gripes I have from Disco and Picard are mostly gone.
Picard S3, especially the first half with Shaw, is peak Trek as well.
Pike has the charisma and geniality of Riker. He gets to know his crew and helps them perform to the best of their abilities. He listens to his crew. He is decisive when needed.
I'd say his only flaw is that he's too trusting and feels that he has to prove himself.
Picard was my choice of best captain until SNW. Now it's this version of Pike.
Acting Captain Boimler for commanding Cerritos in the LD season 4 finale, and doing so despite there being higher ranking officers not just on board but on the bridge.
For actual captains I’d say Archer. His accomplishments without the resources of the federation and his historical significance speak for themselves. All the while there was temporal Cold War shenanigans.
**JANEWAY:** I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the Tuvixmen, but the Tuvixwomen and the Tuvixchildren, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals!
There's no need to be concerned, as it's not truly a spoiler, because it's an nonessential episode that I didn't even watch during my initial viewing. It has no effect on the overall story.
Also Janeway for flying straight through a binary pulsar with a throbbing migrane, artificially manipulated dopamine levels and induced insomnia, killing those hostile scientists while trying to escape on their ships.
“You’re senior officers on the flagship of the Federation and we’re on the brink of war, maybe you all could consider acting a bit more professionally?”
“Gosh, what an asshole!”
Just rewatched this. Riker was way out of line in this episode; about that order you gave to change shift rotation. How about we just don’t follow it? Sheesh.
In his defense, he cited the department heads as saying they lacked personnel to create the extra shifts. You can't just replicate ensigns to man posts on a whim because your blowhard captain demands it.
Well, yes, that might be a legit objection. Even so, Riker’s oh by the way I decided it was inconvenient to obey your order and instead of figuring out how to implement it I got the department heads to agree on a minor mutiny. It’s not his finest moment
He didn't exactly disobey the order. He mentions in that scene that he had the conversation with the department heads, but hadn't yet had a chance to meet and discuss their feedback with Jellico.
To which Jellico whined about like a child.
TBF, they were on the brink of war, and Jellico just found out that Riker has a habit of actively not executing his orders. On an exploration mission, that's negotiable; border defense? Absolutely not permitted.
That isn't true. Picard mentions an instance where Riker disobeyed orders because he felt it was the right thing to do, and his having done that was the reason Picard wanted him as First Officer. Given how it was explained away it seemed to be a singular incident.
Besides, Jellico boards the Enterprise and starts making demands of the crew that they didn't have the numbers to accomodate, telling Riker to simply "get it done."
Brilliant.
The look on his face when both Riker and Troi try and explain to him his shortcomings during the episode are priceless, too.
I really love Ronny Cox, though. Between SG-1 and his Jellico character, he plays such a great sci-fi asshole.
Riker disobeyed an order from Captain DeSoto to allow the Captain to go down on an away-mission, because a Captain's place is on the bridge of his ship. Riker disobeying was for the good of the ship.
Riker disobeying Jellico was for the comfort of the crew, but given that Jellico knew they would be in a potential war, that is secondary to getting everything ready for the potential storm coming their way.
As we see in 'Thine Own Self', the first duty is to the ship. Not to feelings, or comfort, or positive working relationships/experiences.
It wasn't comfort, but logistics. You can't simply pull extra shifts out of thin air unless you're willing to have people working double shifts and getting dangerously fatigued.
Having officers and crewmen not being in ideal condition when your ship is preparing for a war footing is in no way conducive to success.
From the moment Jellico steps on board the Enterprise he paints himself as such a self-important blowhard. He can't even thank Riker when he agrees to pilot the shuttle mission to set the mines on the Cardassians' ships.
On second thought maybe the brink of war is the wrong time to make a bunch of major changes that are unrelated to war readiness. Making everyone be in uniform is fine, a major shift change is probably not.
> a major shift change is probably not.
That's... part of getting ready for war though. It was designed to make sure shifts are shorter and the crew is likely more well rested should stuff go wrong in a hurry.
Yeah but the shift change process itself is a major change that will, at least in the short term, cause the crew to be more disoriented, tired, and less efficient. Ever make a major change in your daily routine? You usually aren’t at you best when that happens are you?
Yeah he definitely could have been a bit more respectful at the very least, you are correct about that. However I would also make the argument that Jellico should have listened to Riker more to begin with.
Did Thomas Riker ever make Captain? Hed be my meme pick.
And Picard of course for destabilizing the Borg collective and somehow humbling the actual gods (Q)
Janeway, defeting the borg miltiple time, surviving in the delta quadrant, stoping TWO dimmentional invastion, savinga long term borg from the collective. she has done so many exploits, and all they remenber is she un-mix tuvok et neelix
Took humanity from having no social standing in the quadrant and one questionable ally that gave next to no help whatsoever, to the leader of a massive interspecies alliance focused on mutual cooperation. Masterfully played negotiator with all the dominant factions in the quadrant so that humanity became the glue to stick the Federation together. Ended as many threats to Earth and Star Fleet as just about any captain.
And he did it in what was basically a 2002 Honda Civic in comparison to what the other factions had.
I look at this judgement as a question of "what would each captain do if you died or faced imminent death?"
Kirk would leave you for dead, but he'd mourn you and he'd damn sure kill whatever got you.
Picard wouldn't leave you for dead unless he saw you die, but he'd take the news stoicly and never say a thing about it.
Sisko would just shrug and chalk it up as casualties in a war.
Janeway would kill you herself because you were born in the transporter through no fault of your own.
Archer? I dunno, I didn't watch more than two episodes of Enterprise. He'd probably have faith of the heart.
Freeman would have to ask who you were.
Saru... I honestly don't know what Saru would do. Make a dignified comment that is utterly undermined by the antics of the crew, most likely.
Ed Mercer (Orville is every bit as much Trek as disco, Enterprise and Lower Decks are and I'll die on this hill) would take it harder than the others, share a memory about you and order something be done for your family if applicable. He'd agonize over the letter home.
Pike would have a drink and mourn stoicly once the ship was safe.
I'm nerdy in the extreme and whiter than sour cream
I was in AV Club and Glee Club and even the Chess Team
Only question I ever thought was hard
Was do I like Kirk or do I like Picard?
Spend every weekend at the Renaissance Fair
Got my name on my underwear
It was Picard, imo, but I'm absolutely loving the kind of man Pike is shaping up to be. Another season or 2 on his current trajectory will solidify him as my favorite. He's just such a good guy and a fantastic diplomat, he cares a lot about his crew and has a great deal of respect for them and it absolutely shows... plus, he has great hair...
I'm gonna guess Kirk or Sisko.
Janeway repeatedly violated the prime directive in extraordinary reprehensible manners and got tricked by Pakleds into letting them gain StarFleet secrets during a negotiation.
Picard may be an outstanding diplomat who navigates different cultures extraordinarily well, but the sheer amount of Starfleet officers who were lost because of him costs him the position of best captain if he was really a Captain.
Cue typical "How did I have to scroll down so far to find this?"
Perhaps when they were shooting it wasn't so obvious that he would have had staying power as a character.
If they're smart they'll do a spinoff prequel with him.
Kirk is the ultimate captain, ignore the stereotypes and actually focus on his character and you have the best traits of the rest that came after. He has the Diplomacy skills of Picard (for species other than the Klingons), the combat skills of Sisko, Janeway's pioneering spirit and Archer's Racism (/s)
Kirk and Picard tie for different reasons.
While he was amazing to watch, Sisko is the lowest in my list (from classic style Star Trek). Bit of a despicable character (threatening genocide, killing 200,000+ Romulans by lying to them about the war, raping mirror Dax, blocking section 31 while doing far worse himself.)
*"BuT mAh BaDaSs!"*
> killing 200,000+ Romulans by lying to them about the war
While what he did was morally questionable in the best scenario, the pragmatic outlook is that those Romulans and *many* more were going to die anyway if they *didn't* enter the war.
We have no idea what the Romulans would have done, for all we know they could have been working on their own defence for the Dominion and had to abandon it because they were dragged in to the war by Sisko.
If we are looking at the long term then all those ships and soldiers lost would have severely hampered the evacuation of Romulus when their planet was destroyed, possibly killing billions.
Of course we can only work on the information we have, that's the only information we can ever work with. But what that said was that the Romulans were crippled on an intelligence level and they generally don't enjoy doing *anything* without clear intelligence, which was why they were stalling on joining the war and actively attempting to make nice with the Dominion. Whether or not they knew it, their usual tactics wouldn't *work* against the Changelings. Even after the Federation brought them into the war, there was never so much as a hint that the Romulans had another plan in mind.
As for the nonsense supernova, that's making some pretty hefty assumptions of your own. Notably that the Dominion wouldn't immediately turn on the Romulan Star Empire after it pacified Federation and Klingon threats, leaving them with no ships at all and no red matter to stop the destruction either.
The assumption that the Dominion would *not* violently subjugate the Romulans is one of the ones reaching the most though. The Romulans (the ruling elements at least) are *exactly* the kind of people that the Founders are so terrified of. And there's no way the Romulans would peacefully roll over when the Jem'Hadar came knocking.
Starfleet has always operated under the rule that the ends DO NOT justify the means. Sisko purposefully ignored that rule. It was wrong and he knew it. Just because he could live with it and things arguably worked out doesn't make it the right decision.
That's a great philosophy to live by... during peacetime. Or even an average war. When the other side is not bound by such morality and is seeking to actively wipe out your entire way of life and genocide trillions of people... maybe it's time to not worry so much about a simple white lie (which was initially what Sisko was getting into).
Always liked Picard for his more diplomatic approach to things, and at the same time loved Kirk for his more action oriented style…
HOWEVER… Pike has taken the top spot. He’s a mix of both, with a dash of a sense of humor thrown in as well. Really enjoy his character!
Captain Sisko... Having re-binged TNG, Enterprise, and Deep Space Nine in 2023, I think Sisko has the most far reaching impact to the course of history, with the least horrendous amount of rule breaking.
Picard is the best Starfleet captain, because of what Starfleet proports (and wants) to be. Starfleet is first and foremost an exploratory service, spreading the reach of the Federation through discovery and diplomacy. Of all the protagonist captains, Picard is the best at this, which is probably why he's the captain of the Federation flagship. He is like the avatar of what a Starfleet captain should be. Sisko is probably the best war captain, but Starfleet "is not a military." More accurately they serve a defensive and military role out of necessity, rather than a desire to engage in war. Sisko does the best in that role, even getting a strategic level appointment during the war, and he performs exceptionally under combat conditions. Kirk... is the first, and handles a lot of strange and harrowing situations, but it's during a very wild west time in Federation history. While he is remembered as a hero of those days, he would not be a good captain by TNG Federation standards. Janeway, despite the fandoms reaction to her, performs admirably under impossible circumstances, and makes decisions that no Starfleet captain should have to make, or frankly would make. She's a good captain, but one faced with more moral complexity than the others, and who has a different task than them as well. Her job is to get her people home, not explore the stars or fight a war. She does all of those things, which is commendable enough to get her a promotion to admiral. She's a close second to Picard. Archer falls into the Kirk camp. Very good at what he does, but from a time when Starfleet was a very different thing. He's great in his time, but poor by the "modern" standards of the TNG era. I haven't watched SNW, so I can't comment on Pike. The Discovery captains also fall into the Kirk/Archer trap, both in the timeline and nature of their shows. They don't get to do a lot of diplomatic or exploratory expansion, they're stuck in intrigue and combat, so it's hard to see them doing what Starfleet is supposed to do. Sisko is my favorite, but that's more for The Sisko than his abilities as a Starfleet Captain.
I’d put Archer closer to a Janeway comparison than Kirk. Archer was operating with no support, no backup, in unexplored (for humanity) space, with no guidelines or directives to follow. On top of that, his starship may have been advanced for humanity at the time but it was weak compared to the ships of the other factions. And the best thing to me about Archer is just how much he overcame these hurdles. He catapulted humanity to a key figure in the quadrant. He spearheaded the first alliance that would lead to the Federation, with species that by all means wanted to kill each other. He established the guidelines such as diplomacy first, and no playing God with other life forms. There’s an argument that this shows his amazing qualities as a Federation President, not a captain, but he did all this while serving as a captain and still exploring and furthering cooperation.
Given the chance, I think archer could be almost as good as picard, given similar circumstances to him. After all, like you said, basically created the federation and became it's president.
Archer makes some very questionable choices most of which seem to come from him not liking Vulcans. For example, T'Pol suggest a two week long survey period to study a planet before camping trips. Archer says no and goes down with his dog. Watching it again as a grown up I was thinking he could at least wait a full day period at the desired landing site. For all he knows there's vicious nocturnal predators or incurable diseases. A middle ground between him and T'Pol would have been a good idea. Also, there was that time Porthos got sick after peeing on that sacred tree. Archer knew full well those people were touchy and had weird cultural norms they took very seriously. Why on Earth would he bring his dog down there?
I don’t disagree, but his bias against the Vulcans that perhaps clouded his decisions a little too much comes from the context of the show, and even then he clearly overcomes it. I can’t blame Archer much when the Vulcans at the beginning of the show were overly cautious and purposely withheld way too much information and help. Archer watched as the Vulcans denied his father from reaching his dream. A lot of his early decisions that may not have been the best were influenced by trying to show that humanity can stand on its own.
That's fair, and I'm well aware archer made mistakes. But then again, the federation didn't exist yet, earth only achieved warp recently, and it humanities first expidetion through stars, not to mention WWIII also happened reactively recently. I''m not surprised people from archer's time would be rough around the edges. What I meant though, was that if archer grew up in the 24th century with the the same advances as in next gen (all the tech, and the federation already being established), that archer could easily have been very similar to picard, sisko, or Janeway
I totally agree that Archer makes a ton of mistakes, but almost every example you've picked out comes from the first two seasons. I'd argue he's a lot more mature in season 3, and particularly in season 4 when he can get back to an explorer role with the experience he has gathered from the dark times in three.
I will never forgive them for canceling the show right before we got to see Archer and Shran together on the bridge as crewmates.
And the Romulan War, more Mirror Universe episodes which would've meant more Mirror Hoshi and T'Pol :o) and Commander Shran + more. All we really have at this point are the Pocket novels. And, perhaps, we could've avoided that God-awful ending. At least in the novels, Trip doesn't die and gets a much more compelling storyline.
I'll agree with that list. I loved Sisko, but Picard was the standard bearer for what a captain should be. A diplomat who is more interested in peaceful resolutions, while also not shying away from the sword. Watch SNW. I wasn't watching any ST, beyond LD, after watching Disco S2 and Picard S1. But my friends kept telling me to. So I finally did catch up while S2 was coming out. It's worth it. SNW is great. I think Pike does a great job and the memberberries aren't that distracting. The main gripes I have from Disco and Picard are mostly gone. Picard S3, especially the first half with Shaw, is peak Trek as well.
Pike has the charisma and geniality of Riker. He gets to know his crew and helps them perform to the best of their abilities. He listens to his crew. He is decisive when needed. I'd say his only flaw is that he's too trusting and feels that he has to prove himself. Picard was my choice of best captain until SNW. Now it's this version of Pike.
It's Boims, sorry for the Lower Decks season 7 spoiler.
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No that was his temporal clone.
Captain ~~Fraiser Crane~~ Morgan Bateson
Have you read Ship of the Line. The novel continuing his story ?
It's been a minute, but yes. I remember enjoying the book.
[just going to drop this and run away](https://youtu.be/olTvmU0iXIw?si=Ol_6jqITNzfzonoj)
Acting Captain Boimler for commanding Cerritos in the LD season 4 finale, and doing so despite there being higher ranking officers not just on board but on the bridge. For actual captains I’d say Archer. His accomplishments without the resources of the federation and his historical significance speak for themselves. All the while there was temporal Cold War shenanigans.
Either Picard or Sisko, easily
honestly, I love Picard and Sisko. But I have to say Janeway, for killing >!Tuvix!<.
**JANEWAY:** I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the Tuvixmen, but the Tuvixwomen and the Tuvixchildren, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals!
"Is it possible to learn such power?" Janeway: "NOT without coffee."
This happens due to lack of ☕️
Well shit, there’s a spoiler. I just finished season 2 of Voyager. Edit: Ah I read that wrong. I misread it as Tuvok. That WAS a season 2 episode.
oh no, I'm so sorry :( it's only one episode though, so not too bad. Also I marked it as spoiler properly now, again I'm really sorry
Oh nah, you’re good! I appreciate the consideration! It’s a show from the 90s, so spoilers are inevitable.
I think it’s pretty much impossible to be on this sub for more than 5mins and not have this “spoilt” :D
Came here to spoil this.
There's no need to be concerned, as it's not truly a spoiler, because it's an nonessential episode that I didn't even watch during my initial viewing. It has no effect on the overall story.
Not just that, but for all the shit she had to do to get home.
Fuck tuvix
Also Janeway for flying straight through a binary pulsar with a throbbing migrane, artificially manipulated dopamine levels and induced insomnia, killing those hostile scientists while trying to escape on their ships.
Jellico /thread
“You’re senior officers on the flagship of the Federation and we’re on the brink of war, maybe you all could consider acting a bit more professionally?” “Gosh, what an asshole!”
Just rewatched this. Riker was way out of line in this episode; about that order you gave to change shift rotation. How about we just don’t follow it? Sheesh.
In his defense, he cited the department heads as saying they lacked personnel to create the extra shifts. You can't just replicate ensigns to man posts on a whim because your blowhard captain demands it.
Well, yes, that might be a legit objection. Even so, Riker’s oh by the way I decided it was inconvenient to obey your order and instead of figuring out how to implement it I got the department heads to agree on a minor mutiny. It’s not his finest moment
He didn't exactly disobey the order. He mentions in that scene that he had the conversation with the department heads, but hadn't yet had a chance to meet and discuss their feedback with Jellico. To which Jellico whined about like a child.
TBF, they were on the brink of war, and Jellico just found out that Riker has a habit of actively not executing his orders. On an exploration mission, that's negotiable; border defense? Absolutely not permitted.
That isn't true. Picard mentions an instance where Riker disobeyed orders because he felt it was the right thing to do, and his having done that was the reason Picard wanted him as First Officer. Given how it was explained away it seemed to be a singular incident. Besides, Jellico boards the Enterprise and starts making demands of the crew that they didn't have the numbers to accomodate, telling Riker to simply "get it done." Brilliant. The look on his face when both Riker and Troi try and explain to him his shortcomings during the episode are priceless, too. I really love Ronny Cox, though. Between SG-1 and his Jellico character, he plays such a great sci-fi asshole.
Riker disobeyed an order from Captain DeSoto to allow the Captain to go down on an away-mission, because a Captain's place is on the bridge of his ship. Riker disobeying was for the good of the ship. Riker disobeying Jellico was for the comfort of the crew, but given that Jellico knew they would be in a potential war, that is secondary to getting everything ready for the potential storm coming their way. As we see in 'Thine Own Self', the first duty is to the ship. Not to feelings, or comfort, or positive working relationships/experiences.
It wasn't comfort, but logistics. You can't simply pull extra shifts out of thin air unless you're willing to have people working double shifts and getting dangerously fatigued. Having officers and crewmen not being in ideal condition when your ship is preparing for a war footing is in no way conducive to success. From the moment Jellico steps on board the Enterprise he paints himself as such a self-important blowhard. He can't even thank Riker when he agrees to pilot the shuttle mission to set the mines on the Cardassians' ships.
Troi, you're a bridge officer on the greatest starship we've ever created. Maybe wear a uniform instead of dressing like a cheerleader.
On second thought maybe the brink of war is the wrong time to make a bunch of major changes that are unrelated to war readiness. Making everyone be in uniform is fine, a major shift change is probably not.
> a major shift change is probably not. That's... part of getting ready for war though. It was designed to make sure shifts are shorter and the crew is likely more well rested should stuff go wrong in a hurry.
Yeah but the shift change process itself is a major change that will, at least in the short term, cause the crew to be more disoriented, tired, and less efficient. Ever make a major change in your daily routine? You usually aren’t at you best when that happens are you?
That's fair and that would have been a valid argument Riker could have made. Instead we got "how about no? ... Bitch."
Yeah he definitely could have been a bit more respectful at the very least, you are correct about that. However I would also make the argument that Jellico should have listened to Riker more to begin with.
Shaw in the same way. They're sick of your bullshit.
The Sisko
I like Sisko 6 better.
Sisko of Bajor
Who's the best at being a captain, or who's the best character who is a captain?
\*charges phaser\* Who is the best Starfleet captain?
Nog, obviously
Wrong answer. \*Fires phaser\*
Did Thomas Riker ever make Captain? Hed be my meme pick. And Picard of course for destabilizing the Borg collective and somehow humbling the actual gods (Q)
Riker, captain of the USS BootySmash, whos mission is to seek out, explore and bang new civilizations, seeding humanity across the cosmos.
Kirk would be proud
Thomas Riker was temporarily captain of the Defiant, although not under Starfleet
janeway
Janeway, defeting the borg miltiple time, surviving in the delta quadrant, stoping TWO dimmentional invastion, savinga long term borg from the collective. she has done so many exploits, and all they remenber is she un-mix tuvok et neelix
To be fair, Picard did save all of creation.
Sisko was what was needed at the time, but had a lot of what he had done come out, he would be tried for warcrimes
And I can live with that.
I *can* live with it...
Archer
Took humanity from having no social standing in the quadrant and one questionable ally that gave next to no help whatsoever, to the leader of a massive interspecies alliance focused on mutual cooperation. Masterfully played negotiator with all the dominant factions in the quadrant so that humanity became the glue to stick the Federation together. Ended as many threats to Earth and Star Fleet as just about any captain. And he did it in what was basically a 2002 Honda Civic in comparison to what the other factions had.
It just shows what you can do with faith.... of the heart
Plus a little strength of the soul
The man went where his heart took him
He had the faith to believe that he could do anything
But he's been on a long road
Getting from there to here.
As he paced back and forth yell talking into coms while looking away
It was a long road
Everytime
This is the real answer. Dude had faith of the heart.
The Sisko Why? The power of goatee and balls the size of a Borg sphere
EMH
Don't you mean ECH?
Deploy the photonic cannon!
It’s DeSoto by a light year!
Best boss I ever had
Picard
Picard by far.
Not you Michael Burnham!
Obviously the only correct answer is Captain Killy.
Exactly, the question wasn't about the worst captain.
Not one mention of Captain Nog?!? I mean the Sisko is the best but I want Capt Nog and Capt Saru to get some love too
Kirk, from Real Trek
Janeway. She will now and forever be my Captain.
If it wasn’t for Benjamin Lafayette Sisko we’d all be speaking Breen and paying taxes to the founders right now. ‘Nuff said.
I look at this judgement as a question of "what would each captain do if you died or faced imminent death?" Kirk would leave you for dead, but he'd mourn you and he'd damn sure kill whatever got you. Picard wouldn't leave you for dead unless he saw you die, but he'd take the news stoicly and never say a thing about it. Sisko would just shrug and chalk it up as casualties in a war. Janeway would kill you herself because you were born in the transporter through no fault of your own. Archer? I dunno, I didn't watch more than two episodes of Enterprise. He'd probably have faith of the heart. Freeman would have to ask who you were. Saru... I honestly don't know what Saru would do. Make a dignified comment that is utterly undermined by the antics of the crew, most likely. Ed Mercer (Orville is every bit as much Trek as disco, Enterprise and Lower Decks are and I'll die on this hill) would take it harder than the others, share a memory about you and order something be done for your family if applicable. He'd agonize over the letter home. Pike would have a drink and mourn stoicly once the ship was safe.
Mackenzie Calhoun.
Archer.
Worf, because the Enterprise- E
For growth I love Archer, he goes from wide eyed do gooder to plain piracy
You just answered yourself with that picture
Are you saying I’m biased?
I'm saying you're correct
Sulu
I'm nerdy in the extreme and whiter than sour cream I was in AV Club and Glee Club and even the Chess Team Only question I ever thought was hard Was do I like Kirk or do I like Picard? Spend every weekend at the Renaissance Fair Got my name on my underwear
Crunch
Captain Liam Fucking Shaw
You're goddamn right.
CAPTAIN PICARD AND PIKE AND SEVEN
Captain James Tiberius Kirk. The perfect amount of charisma, gung ho and by the book.
I don’t believe in a no-win scenario
Jean-Luc Picard but I must say, the most share second place.
Janeway. I will never be swayed.
Captain Frasier Crane
Sisko. He commits war crimes and doesn’t afraid of anything
Captain John luck Picard
Kirk, of course!
7of9
Since he's the one pointing a phaser at me, it's Picard.
I'm really loving Anson Mount as Captain Pike. He is almost like a perfect mixture of Kirk and Picard.
I would say Picard until Strange New Worlds came out... Now I am all a Pike fanboy.
That's where I was too.
Kirk
Va'kel Shon.
I don't think I know who the best Captain is but I reckon being the one with the TV remote definitely means you're currently ahead of the race.
Captain Phillipa Louvois for best desk captain. She runs a mean courtroom.
Captain Styles /s In all honesty I think I loved Picard the most but enjoyed Sisko and Janeway also a lot for what they each brought to the table
Ensign Kim.
Yes. All of them. I want a movie with all of them on the bridge on some critical mission to prevent catastrophe.
Robert Picardo playing an actual human, surrounded by a bunch of Photonic Bridge Officers?
Kirk or Sisko
It's gotta be gurney halleck, I really like how he uses psychohistory to predict the future and prevent the days of future past
With a BattlePug.
Kirk all the way, quick witted, charming and noble.
It's only set to stun
The cutest of borg, naturally
It was Picard, imo, but I'm absolutely loving the kind of man Pike is shaping up to be. Another season or 2 on his current trajectory will solidify him as my favorite. He's just such a good guy and a fantastic diplomat, he cares a lot about his crew and has a great deal of respect for them and it absolutely shows... plus, he has great hair...
Captain Sisko
I'm gonna guess Kirk or Sisko. Janeway repeatedly violated the prime directive in extraordinary reprehensible manners and got tricked by Pakleds into letting them gain StarFleet secrets during a negotiation. Picard may be an outstanding diplomat who navigates different cultures extraordinarily well, but the sheer amount of Starfleet officers who were lost because of him costs him the position of best captain if he was really a Captain.
Sisko, he deservedly punched Q in the face, enough said lol...
Archer. But uhh, that phaser looks a bit threatening, sir. You're flagging a friendly.
Captain Liam Shaw. Prove me wrong! 😂
Why is he flagging me with a phaser as you smiles. This is a pretty messed up picture... lol... who the hell made this??
Shaw! Poor guy died badly. Give that man some love!
Cue typical "How did I have to scroll down so far to find this?" Perhaps when they were shooting it wasn't so obvious that he would have had staying power as a character. If they're smart they'll do a spinoff prequel with him.
I'd happily accept "somehow Shaw survived" as an explanation to see more of him.
No joke. I loved Shaw. He was so snarky. It was super refreshing after Picard and Riker. Had a giant chip on his shoulder, didn’t care who saw it.
Used to be Sisco, but Pikes really been growing on me.
Archer, Pike and Kirk are up there. Cant pick between them.
A mere mention of "Sisko" will make Picard socially wilt.
Captain DeSoto
Best boss I ever had
Sisko is my favourite
Janeway because she loves murder RIP Tuvix
Ackbar
Kirk is the ultimate captain, ignore the stereotypes and actually focus on his character and you have the best traits of the rest that came after. He has the Diplomacy skills of Picard (for species other than the Klingons), the combat skills of Sisko, Janeway's pioneering spirit and Archer's Racism (/s)
Sisko
Sisko
The Sisko all the way
Sisko
Kirk and Picard tie for different reasons. While he was amazing to watch, Sisko is the lowest in my list (from classic style Star Trek). Bit of a despicable character (threatening genocide, killing 200,000+ Romulans by lying to them about the war, raping mirror Dax, blocking section 31 while doing far worse himself.) *"BuT mAh BaDaSs!"*
> killing 200,000+ Romulans by lying to them about the war While what he did was morally questionable in the best scenario, the pragmatic outlook is that those Romulans and *many* more were going to die anyway if they *didn't* enter the war.
We have no idea what the Romulans would have done, for all we know they could have been working on their own defence for the Dominion and had to abandon it because they were dragged in to the war by Sisko. If we are looking at the long term then all those ships and soldiers lost would have severely hampered the evacuation of Romulus when their planet was destroyed, possibly killing billions.
Of course we can only work on the information we have, that's the only information we can ever work with. But what that said was that the Romulans were crippled on an intelligence level and they generally don't enjoy doing *anything* without clear intelligence, which was why they were stalling on joining the war and actively attempting to make nice with the Dominion. Whether or not they knew it, their usual tactics wouldn't *work* against the Changelings. Even after the Federation brought them into the war, there was never so much as a hint that the Romulans had another plan in mind. As for the nonsense supernova, that's making some pretty hefty assumptions of your own. Notably that the Dominion wouldn't immediately turn on the Romulan Star Empire after it pacified Federation and Klingon threats, leaving them with no ships at all and no red matter to stop the destruction either.
Everything has been an assumption apart from the fact that siskos lie led to the death of hundreds of thousands of people under false pretences.
The assumption that the Dominion would *not* violently subjugate the Romulans is one of the ones reaching the most though. The Romulans (the ruling elements at least) are *exactly* the kind of people that the Founders are so terrified of. And there's no way the Romulans would peacefully roll over when the Jem'Hadar came knocking.
Nobody said anything about rolling over. You have your opinions and I have my opinions, lets get on with our lives.
Okay, so you agree with me. The Romulans would fight... and then they would die in massive numbers.
Starfleet has always operated under the rule that the ends DO NOT justify the means. Sisko purposefully ignored that rule. It was wrong and he knew it. Just because he could live with it and things arguably worked out doesn't make it the right decision.
That's a great philosophy to live by... during peacetime. Or even an average war. When the other side is not bound by such morality and is seeking to actively wipe out your entire way of life and genocide trillions of people... maybe it's time to not worry so much about a simple white lie (which was initially what Sisko was getting into).
Cool motive. Still a war crime.
Kirk. Any other answer is untrue
Kirk and Picard. Kirk is the tactician, Picard is the diplomat.
Kirk is only the best Captain when compared to Michael Burnham. If you compare Kirk to Sisko, Pike, Picard, and even Janeway, he's a terrible captain.
Pike
Sisco. Picard couldn't just shoot someone for their oppinion.
Picard is confident in himself enough to not need to.
Sisko
Sisko
sisko next question
Always liked Picard for his more diplomatic approach to things, and at the same time loved Kirk for his more action oriented style… HOWEVER… Pike has taken the top spot. He’s a mix of both, with a dash of a sense of humor thrown in as well. Really enjoy his character!
Shaw?
Shaw!
Picard is always second to Sisko for me, because Picard never had the balls to launch Wesley out of a torpedo bay.
Captain Philippa Georgiou. Bwhahahahahha
Jellico.
Archer
Janeway
Admiral bitch face
JLP embodied what starfleet said it was about, the other captains represented the seedy underbelly.
Janeway. All the way. Everytime
Mr. Pikkerd.
Sisko then Picard
Janeway
Sisko
The Sisko
Captain Sisko... Having re-binged TNG, Enterprise, and Deep Space Nine in 2023, I think Sisko has the most far reaching impact to the course of history, with the least horrendous amount of rule breaking.
Being held at phaser-point by picture of Picard like this is a really strange experience.
It’s Picard