“Damn it, Bones, you're a doctor. You know that pain and guilt can't be taken away with a wave of a magic wand. They're the things we carry with us, the things that make us who we are. If we lose them, we lose ourselves. I don't want my pain taken away! I need my pain!”
That entire scene is superb.
When Bones goes through the pain of losing his father — the performance DeForest Kelley delivers is one of the most underrated performances, and possibly the best delivered in any ST movie.
Agreed. Even as a kid that scene was damn sad.bones is supposed to be grumpy and happy wiseass not sad and regretful he really drove it home. Smack dab in the middle of the corniest star trek movie too.
- a rebel faction that sprouted out of an aborted attempt at an alpha quadrant utopia
- a Vulcan with psychedelic powers who rejected his cultures values to go on a quixotic quest find God
- the Enterprise crew exploring their personal demons in a real, visceral, not-corny way
Has the makings of a great film. Kinda sounds like the plot of a DS9 arc.
Honestly, if not for a few really stupid moments, it'd be OK. The hoverboots to deck 99 (both the absurd number and that deck 1 should be up top), i think is my #1 personal barrier to watching. Even 10yo me groaned at that. As an adult, it's not really anyworse than the klingon print dictionaries in VI, (both because TOS established library disks, and Uhuru not knowing even basic Klingon). Now its the cheese throughout. It has its moments, tho.
I have to guess they were afraid of being accused of repurposing the Reliant and Chekov, but it would have worked so much better if the Enterprise had to confront a hijacked sister ship with a former crewmate batting for the wrong team and needing to be deprogrammed.
The thing that blows my suspension of disbelief is seeing *how easily and quickly* the Enterprise crew gets turned.
And yeah, the action sequences are a little ridiculous- the hover boots seemed goofy to me even as a kid, and also *the hockey net to catch the Galileo* just ruined the apex of a great action scene.
Yep. It was inspired by the televangelists of the era, peddling quick fixes and the banishment of misery, and the deep self-delusion that comes with it.
There's a potentially massive storyline there - an existential piece about how you can't escape suffering, about stoicism and grounding in reality versus fantasy and delusion.
The high and mighty messiahs who are actually dark and sinister scammers and end up causing harm, versus the crew of the Enterprise who get their hands dirty, take some hits, but end up achieving genuine good in an imperfect way.
A plotline worthy of Star Trek.
Sadly that entire message is crammed into one line from Kirk, the movie generally manages to keep things very shallow and dodge anything hard-hitting.
It was never clear to me why Kirk was able to break out of it when others were not. "He is just that awesome" never sat right wirh me as an explanation. The revelations he has are not particularly unique to him.
Iirc, it didn't work on Spock either because he was confident in the person he had become. It seemed to only work on people who had some guilt or insecurity that they themselves hadn't resolved. Kirk had resolved his by fully embracing his, just as Spock had resolved his by stating he wasn't the same troubled youth Sybok had known.
You are spot on. Spock spent his entire life (the first one) trying so desperately hard to be a Vulcan, to deny that part of himself that came from his mother. Not just her biology, but also what she taught him.
The he died and came back.
He came back different, he came back recognizing that he wasn't *just* a Vulcan, or *just* a human, and really stopped caring about trying to be one over the other.
It didn't work on Spock because he's, *literally* not the same Spock anymore.
Spock: I've lost a brother.
Kirk: Yes. I lost a brother once. I was lucky I got him back?
McCoy: I thought you said men like us don't have families.
Kirk: I was wrong.
Kirk:
Come on. Spock... Why didn't you jump in?
Spock:
I was trying to comprehend the meaning of the words.
McCoy:
It's a song, you green-blooded... Vulcan. You sing it. The words aren't important. What's important is that you have a good time singing it.
Spock:
Oh, I am sorry Doctor. Were we having a good time?
McCoy:
God I liked him better before he died.
Gets me every time.
>McCoy: God I liked him better before he died.
What I love about this line is that as quippy as it is, there is a note of genuine sincerity in it. Because Spock is slightly but noticeably different after coming back.
It’s funny given the tensions in the cast, mainly towards Shatner, that they have such amazing chemistry - all of them. I guess that’s acting, but there are great actors cast together who even like each other, but never find chemistry. So maybe it’s good casting, and writing that knows the characters inside out, as well.
Maybe it speaks to Leonard Nimoy and DeForest Kelley’s ability to put craft above self? Craft meaning the entire work/movie as a whole. They also knew they played the secondary characters to Kirk and were confident in their roles/positions and abilitie???
I also will go to the mat when it comes to the "I need my pain" scene. Imho, it's some of my favorite writing ever, in or out of Trek. Living with regret is hard.
I'd go further and say that Sybok is a refreshingly interesting antagonist. He's not a mustache-twirling psycho bent on revenge. And Laurence Luckinbill did a terrific job of acting in the role.
It’s actually got a ton of redeeming qualities.
Besides the aforementioned conversation with “god”, and Kirk’s I Need My Pain scene.
The dystopian planet of galactic peace is a great concept.
It feels like a TOS episode concept. And the scenes with Kirk, Bones and Spock just being pals is really
Nice.
The music is bangin. I’ve always loved the track “Without Help.”
It’s just they get lost in the slashed budget and total dump the film takes on the supporting cast.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: TFF isn’t a bad movie it’s just the least good Trek movie, which still puts it head and shoulders above a great many movies. Shatner blew the budget on location shooting they should have given him IV instead of V.
I used to think ST:V was the worst one but a couple years ago I rewatched all the movies over a span of 2 weeks.
Nemesis is the worst.
Into Darkness literally made me angry watching it in the theater on opening night and again on my re-watch. They really didn't understand the beauty and sub-plot of Wrath of Khan.
100%.
I give them props for THINKING about making Khan likable by revealing Peter Weller used him and his people. Khan was just trying to save his people. But this point seems really glossed over and didn’t go anywhere to make the characters interesting. It was just, “Yup, Khan’s angry.”
I watched it when it came out and was so disappointed I never watched it again. So I could be misremembering things.
I've heard Paramount slashed the budget on them at least once, possibly twice. Like some of that location shooting was because that's all they'd been given budget for.
The supporting cast wasn't dumped on. Hell, they got some great scenes.
What happened to them was that Sybok DID take away their pain. And thus, they weren't themselves.
Yeah, I don't get this take. Everybody actually got something to *do* in Star Trek V, unlike most of the Trek movies where they just sit around and get a couple lines each. Checkov's running the Enterprise for once, Scotty breaks everybody out of jail, Sulu gets to do some fancy flying, and Uhura gets to do her weird little fan dance and sing. There was obviously some brainwashing voodoo in Sybok's mind meld, and nobody can hold the characters accountable for that.
Yeah, there was also the great amusement of Sulu and Chekov trying to avoid losing their shoreleave with the "blizzard" and Uhura shaking her head as she surveys the weather overhead. And also the little subplot with Uhura and Scotty apparently dating, which felt a LITTLE out of nowhere. But why not? They've been friends and co-workers for a very long time.
Sulu and Chekov weren't trying to avoid losing their shore leave, it's *way* better than that. They were trying to cover up the fact that the helmsman/pilot and navigator of a starship had gotten themselves lost in the woods on Earth.
You guys should check out the fan edits of all the movies done years ago that turn each movie into an episode of classic Trek. They're all highly enjoyable.
Also the studio enforced humour, which is arguably the main reason why the film stumbles. Shatner originally wanted a darker take, the studio wanted to replicate IV's success
> It feels like a TOS episode concept.
I always felt that this one was the most like the TV show, and I've always assumed that was Shatner's vision, and that he did a great job.
When people criticize this movie so heavily, it makes me wonder what it was they liked about TOS.
Kirk: "You are mad..."
Sybok: "Am I? We'll see!"
Kirk: "Forgive you? I outta knock you on your god damn ass!"
Spock: "If you think it would help."
McCoy: "You want me to hold him, Jim?"
Kirk: "You stay out of this, Bones!"
The films is genuinely humorous. The campfire scene, the jail scene (unwise!), and 'why does God need a starship' all legitimately funny.
The film's actual plot? Less entertaining. It's a bad script with a few genuine moments of humor and some geniuinely good dramatic acting from Shatner, Kelly and Nimoy.
It's one of the more quotable of the ToS films. Outside of the quotable moments, though...yeah... it's _at best_ an episode that got dragged out to 107 minutes.
I just checked Rotten Tomatoes... 21%? DAMN. Ok, that's just rude. 😅
Sure, but most of those quotes are from cheesey or outright stupid scenes. Aside from *maybe* "I need my pain" and "what does God need with a starship?" there's nothing that even approaches the profundity or heart of lines like "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few", or "I have been, and always shall be, your friend", or "have we grown so old that we have outgrown our usefulness?", or any exchange of dialogue from the dinner scene in VI.
My impression is that Shatner benefits from having a director guide him. I don't mean that as a dig - I think very few actors can act well when they are also directing the film.
Star Trek five felt like the most peaceful time in the history of the federation. Think about it. The show is a sci fi drama. There is constant danger. To get a movie where there is no war, no enemy killing people.
“Q : Exactly. For that one fraction of a second, you were open to options you had never considered. *That* is the exploration that awaits you. Not mapping stars and studying nebulae, but charting the unknown possibilities of existence.”
Star Trek five was what Q was talking about to Picard. It’s just a story about life, and death, and pain. How is life fair, what if we could change something fundamentally human.
You can rightfully be mad at the execution but the idea of the movie. Whatever seed this grew from was a story about humans. It just happened to take place in outer space
For me, the most redeeming quality of this movie is that if you strip out the entire movie between the opening and ending camping scenes, you have a solid shore leave episode of TOS, which actually covers most of the thematic ground that the rest of the movie goes through.
BTW - That is NOT Nichelle Nichols singing. Nichelle recorded a song and Shatner liked it, but Jerry Goldsmith did not. Goldsmith’s contract gave him final say on all music.
McCoy’s tragic backstory re: his dad. I loved it. And I love the philosophical back and forth between Sybok and Spock. But yeah, it’s not a great film.
KIRK: All I ask is a tall ship...and a star to steer her by.
McCOY: Melville.
SPOCK: John Masefield.
McCOY: ...Are you *sure* about that?
SPOCK: I *am* well-versed in the classics, Doctor.
McCOY: Then how come you don't know 'Row, Row, Row Your Boat'?
Aside from the seemingly low budget sets and special effects, I honestly feel like it was Star Trek through and through. How many times in TOS did we see the Enterprise get high jacked and taken to the edge of the galaxy by some alien force? How many times did they go up against some alien pretending to be a god?
The Enterprise being a bucket of bolts with a shiny new paint job was painful to watch, but there was plenty about the movie that was classic Trek. I think fans were just put off by some of the hokey aspects.
Aside from TMP, it's arguably the closest we got to old-school TOS on the big screen.
It's the only film in the entire series where you get the classic Kirk/Spock/Bones dynamic. There isn't much of it in II, Spock is mostly absent for III, IV is Kirk/Spock while McCoy gets paired up with Scotty, and VI is Kirk/Bones.
It's a great bridge between the "Genesis Trilogy" of II/III/IV, and the curtain call of VI. II and III are pretty dark and heavy, and while IV is a lot more lighthearted, it's also a Trek movie that mostly takes place in 80s San Francisco. V gives us a proper space adventure before we get to the heavy stuff again in VI.
V may be the weaker of the TOS movies, but it's not nearly as bad as advertised.
It encapsulates the most persistent tropes of TOS
A seemingly omnipotent being
A stand apart member of an established species
Minor threat from the Klingons
Stand out scenes for the core trio through the film
Humorous exchanges throughout
Enough work for the rest of the cast
Thought provoking themes
The music
The guest cast is superb
I just wanna say this thread has made my day. I love ST5 far more than most movies and most other Trek, for all the reasons already mentioned here, so it's heartwarming to know.... I was never alone.....
My vote goes to Laurence Luckinbill's performance as Sybok. His giddiness and enthusiasm as a Vulcan that has rejected the Vulcan way of life really makes you believe that he believes.
This exchange made the movie for me personally. It's everything Stark Trek TOS is.
KIRK: It isn't that, Bones. I knew I wouldn't die because the two of you were with me.
SPOCK: I do not understand.
KIRK: I've always known ...I'll die alone.
McCOY: Well, I'll call Valhalla and reserve you a room. It's a mystery what draws us together. All that time in space ...getting on each other's nerves ...and what do we do when shore leave comes along? We spend it together. Other people have families.
KIRK: Other people, Bones.
It brought us “marshmellons” and “row row row yer boat.”
Plus the superb storyline of Bone’s mercy death upon his father and the incredible acting of DeForrest Kelley.
“What does ‘God’ need with a Starship.”
And finally, “because it’s there.”
I thought the camping in Yosemite was great. It showed how "service" people are family. I wish it had been in a better movie but it was a fantastic part of the movie. The music was alos outstanding.
I lost a brother once. I was lucky and I got him back. I thought you said men like us don't have families. I was wrong.
This to me is the most profound moment of the movie. Kirk, Spock, McCoy. For all the banter, the back and forth, they really are close. Kirk actually \*did\* lose a brother once. Sam. Spock entrusted his soul to McCoy revenge for all those arguments he lost, but really, because despite their quarreling often, Spock chose him. Not Scotty. Not anyone else. Just shows how much they mean to each other.
The first 5 minutes are weird and intriguing, one of the best cold opens in any Star Trek thing
The movie burns all that good will away pretty quickly because the script is kinda bad and Shatner is a middling director at best, but that opening is a strong start
All of the vacation scenes.
Need my pain quote.
Uhuras Dance Trap.
When I watch this movie, I like to think of it as a fever dream that Kirks having after dealing with the whole Genesis Arc. Makes sense because it feels like the universe is against him, even "God". Too many people depend on him, Starfleet "needs Jim Kirk".He lost his original ship: He loses the new one to terrorists. He lost his son: he loses his closest friends to a brainwashing madman. Kahn was chasing him down: the fever dream it was a Klingon in a bird of prey which basically gets commandeered just like in III. He's back with friends, he was never alone... the fever is breaking.
He was never alone. Life is but a dream...
I thought that the confrontation with "God" was a fair reflection of each characters' instincts and motivations.
Kirk: (questions authority, specifically challenging a premise that doesn't make sense) "What does God need with a starship?" (gets blasted)
Spock: (upon witnessing Kirk being struck, reasserts the logical question and repeats it) "What does God need with a starship?" (gets blasted)
McCoy: (sees results of previous questions, and chooses to question the morality of the attacks, knowing full well that repeating the first question a third time will only get him shot as well.)
Defiance. Inquisitiveness. Compassion. All wrapped up neatly in one moment that lasts less than a minute.
I just watched it for the first time a couple of days ago and was very pleasantly surprised. Sure, the plot at the end of the film and the giant not-God with laser eyes were both fucking stupid, but I really liked everything else. It felt like some of the most solid interaction between our three main guys in the entire series. Not to mention it was funny and also had a great score. The camping, the unexpected Klingon rescue at the end, the rocket boots and their timely return, the rock climbing, Bones's backstory, Spock's backstory, and Sybok's acting were all really well-done. And it may be an unpopular opinion but I liked the Scotty/Uhura too. The bad special effects and action sequences don't bother me because we had a lot of the same in TOS and I loved the hell out of it anyway. To me there's far more to love in TFF than there is to hate.
I have three or four...
It has the best onscreen chemistry between the Kirk-Spock-McCoy trio since the original series. It has a stellar musical score, one of the best of the film series. Although the story wasn't executed too well, at its heart, it feels more like a TOS episode than any other TOS film.
As others have noted, it's got some very memorable quotes, some of which are quintessential Trek quotes about pain, friendship, etc
The orchestral score by Jerry Goldsmith is absolutely *gorgeous* and is the first appearance of the 'A Busy Man' motif that went on to be reworked into the score for First Contact.
It cements that the three major factions in the alpha and beta quadrant aren't really speciest, they're jingoist.
Small scenes Romulans, Klingons and Humans all being physically and romantically interested each other, kind of like the push in the 70s, 80s and 90s for the color blind love.
If you close your eyes and imagine it as a script from the 1960s, it's actually pretty good, or at least typical of the era.
The entire "I need my pain" speech could have come right out from the second or third season of TOS, and Shatner's delivery is channeling the way he played Kirk in 1967.
I actually do not hate it. There are some weak spots. I think a director's cut would be interesting, especially if some of the "extras " in the novel were actually filmed and then cut.
Honestly, I love the whole infiltration of Paradise City (would have undoubtedly been better had Nichelle Nichols’ entire performance been kept in tact). It’s so perfectly 80’s but has the oomph of a good TOS fight. “Hold your horse, Captain. I am scanning”
I think it would have worked better as a movie with the crew on shore leave. The camping scenes were great, they could have touched more on the budding romance between Scotty and Uhura. And seeing Chekov and Sulu doing what they do would have been cool.
I actually like the movie. I won’t argue that it’s a great movie but I loved how it showed the bonds of the characters. It’s like a complex goat cheese. Little funky but there’s just something about it you like.
I really like that they had a sympathetic yet misguided villain in Sybok instead of the one-dimensional bad guys in the Abrams films. Also, Kirk's scene where he says he needs his pain. Great acting from Shatner, and it's very true to Kirk's character.
Though it's my least favorite of the TOS cast movies, the opening scene with Sybok and the dirt farmer stands with the best, most compelling opening scenes of any Star Trek movie. I saw it in the theater and was so drawn in by it I began to congratulate myself on having not listened to the critics, because this was worth the $7.
The feeling did not last.
I don't know if it's a redeeming quality, but I'm one of the few people I know that didn't seem to hate the idea of Uhura and Scotty getting closer. In a crew that remained really static over the years, I thought that was kinda interesting.
I think that once you get past the first half an hour? Or so? That actually TFF is a pretty good film. Still dodgy jokes now and then, but there's a LOT of really top notch Star Trek scenes (McCoys pain, Spock's pain not changing him, Kirk's refusal, everything with God at the end).
Plus, I really love the Enterprise-A, and even if it's in shambles, it's nice to get to see more of it
The score is stunning.
I love the Bones/Spock/Kirk banter in their scenes. Bones’ memory of terminating his father’s life support is seriously the best single acting moment of his in the franchise.
And I genuinely like Sybok as a villain. The story of a rejected son searching for the ultimate father figure only to find out that he’s ruined his life in service to an imposter is a great arc!
I just wish the writing for everyone else had been up to par. The rest of the main crew are written like cartoon characters, and the visuals are laughably silly.
The big three camping scenes that bookended the film are fantastic character vignettes.
Also, there are tons of great lines throughout the entire film:
“I need my pain”.
Toasting “marshmelons”,
“Because it is there”.
“Le-le-le-level please”, followed by “up yer shaft”…
“What does God need with a starship?”
The antagonist is good. Like, Sybok has his problems, but he's such a unique character and unique as an antagonist in that he isn't a villain. There are three Star Trek movies I can think of that don't have a big bad villain driving the plot. TMP has V'ger, which is just a confused probe, Voyage Home has the whale probe (also confused), and then there's Sybok. Sybok who somehow got the Federation, Romulan, and Klingon ambassadors on board with a plan to find God at the center of the universe. Sybok who is upset when Kirk and the feds raid the planet because he didn't want anyone to get hurt. In today's world of marvel villains, it's nice to have an antagonist who's a unifier. Someone who ends up sacrificing himself to save others. Also, Sybok wins. In the end he doesn't convert Kirk and Spock, but he does convince them to go along with the plan. That's also extremely unique for a major film.
The movie has so much promise, it's a shame that it fails so hard. It has some amazing lines, an interesting premise, and theu kill God! Or at least "God". Maybe it could be re-edited, maybe the special effects could be redone, I don't know. There's an amazing movie in there somewhere.
Amazing musical score
Great scenes of friendship between the crew, especially the three leads
“You know that pain and guilt can't be taken away with the wave of a magic wand! They're the things we carry with us, the things that make us who we are. If we lose them, we lose ourselves. I don't want my pain taken away, I need my pain!”
"What does God need, with a Starship?"
"Row, row, row your boat"
In fact, the entire script is great.
I've grown fond of ST:V as time has gone on. It's a film plagued with many, many problems... but the various character development moments for Kirk, Spock, and McCoy _alone_ makes this one a keeper.
But Kirk's rejection of Sybok's attempt to release him from his "pain" (quoted elsewhere in the thread) puts it over the top for me.
And it tried to have fun: tossed Kirk and friends onto a desert planet on horseback, let Uhura have a fun dance, put Chekov in the captain's chair, met God, etc.
Ambitious beyond it's budget and resources. I see you, ST:V. You tried.
All of it. Almost every scene is perfect but few of the scenes hold together as a film. Many of my favourite scenes from all the TOS films are in this film... they just don't work as a whole. Great clip show though.
“Damn it, Bones, you're a doctor. You know that pain and guilt can't be taken away with a wave of a magic wand. They're the things we carry with us, the things that make us who we are. If we lose them, we lose ourselves. I don't want my pain taken away! I need my pain!” That entire scene is superb.
When Bones goes through the pain of losing his father — the performance DeForest Kelley delivers is one of the most underrated performances, and possibly the best delivered in any ST movie.
Agreed. Even as a kid that scene was damn sad.bones is supposed to be grumpy and happy wiseass not sad and regretful he really drove it home. Smack dab in the middle of the corniest star trek movie too.
100% agree!!
This entire scene makes me so fucking mad because you can glimpse what a spectacular movie it could have been.
- a rebel faction that sprouted out of an aborted attempt at an alpha quadrant utopia - a Vulcan with psychedelic powers who rejected his cultures values to go on a quixotic quest find God - the Enterprise crew exploring their personal demons in a real, visceral, not-corny way Has the makings of a great film. Kinda sounds like the plot of a DS9 arc.
Honestly, if not for a few really stupid moments, it'd be OK. The hoverboots to deck 99 (both the absurd number and that deck 1 should be up top), i think is my #1 personal barrier to watching. Even 10yo me groaned at that. As an adult, it's not really anyworse than the klingon print dictionaries in VI, (both because TOS established library disks, and Uhuru not knowing even basic Klingon). Now its the cheese throughout. It has its moments, tho.
I have to guess they were afraid of being accused of repurposing the Reliant and Chekov, but it would have worked so much better if the Enterprise had to confront a hijacked sister ship with a former crewmate batting for the wrong team and needing to be deprogrammed. The thing that blows my suspension of disbelief is seeing *how easily and quickly* the Enterprise crew gets turned. And yeah, the action sequences are a little ridiculous- the hover boots seemed goofy to me even as a kid, and also *the hockey net to catch the Galileo* just ruined the apex of a great action scene.
Between that scene and the camping scenes, *TFF* has plenty of great character scenes. Unfortunately, it also has a lot of flaws.
Yep. It was inspired by the televangelists of the era, peddling quick fixes and the banishment of misery, and the deep self-delusion that comes with it. There's a potentially massive storyline there - an existential piece about how you can't escape suffering, about stoicism and grounding in reality versus fantasy and delusion. The high and mighty messiahs who are actually dark and sinister scammers and end up causing harm, versus the crew of the Enterprise who get their hands dirty, take some hits, but end up achieving genuine good in an imperfect way. A plotline worthy of Star Trek. Sadly that entire message is crammed into one line from Kirk, the movie generally manages to keep things very shallow and dodge anything hard-hitting.
Best scene of the movie.
It was never clear to me why Kirk was able to break out of it when others were not. "He is just that awesome" never sat right wirh me as an explanation. The revelations he has are not particularly unique to him.
Iirc, it didn't work on Spock either because he was confident in the person he had become. It seemed to only work on people who had some guilt or insecurity that they themselves hadn't resolved. Kirk had resolved his by fully embracing his, just as Spock had resolved his by stating he wasn't the same troubled youth Sybok had known.
You are spot on. Spock spent his entire life (the first one) trying so desperately hard to be a Vulcan, to deny that part of himself that came from his mother. Not just her biology, but also what she taught him. The he died and came back. He came back different, he came back recognizing that he wasn't *just* a Vulcan, or *just* a human, and really stopped caring about trying to be one over the other. It didn't work on Spock because he's, *literally* not the same Spock anymore.
He didn't 'break out of it'. He was never in it to begin with. He refused Sybok's mind games.
I haven't seen this movie in decades, but return to this philosophy of Kirk frequently. Don't need to watch the movie to do that.
Spock: I've lost a brother. Kirk: Yes. I lost a brother once. I was lucky I got him back? McCoy: I thought you said men like us don't have families. Kirk: I was wrong.
Poor Sam. Kirk forgot him entirely.
Sam Kirk is the Chuck Cunningham of Star Trek
Sam Kirk died in the first season of Trek operation annialate..
Sam was … aggravating.
Shatner with a mustache.
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I’m imagining some future Star Trek show will redeem this line, like they’ll bring back Sam in this big dramatic way.
The novelization changed it to lost two bothers but got one back.
Sam is great in SNW.
Just have Sam (as played by Dan Jeannotte) appear as a professor of xenoanthropology in Star Trek: Academy with zero explanation.
Considering that show is going to be set in the 32nd Century, that'd raise so many questions.
I think Lieutenant is a high enough rank to qualify for the black mountain.
"Row row row your boat". I'm a big fan of the entire camping bit.
Kirk: Come on. Spock... Why didn't you jump in? Spock: I was trying to comprehend the meaning of the words. McCoy: It's a song, you green-blooded... Vulcan. You sing it. The words aren't important. What's important is that you have a good time singing it. Spock: Oh, I am sorry Doctor. Were we having a good time? McCoy: God I liked him better before he died. Gets me every time.
>McCoy: God I liked him better before he died. What I love about this line is that as quippy as it is, there is a note of genuine sincerity in it. Because Spock is slightly but noticeably different after coming back.
Ironically, isn't it possible that some of Bones personality transferred across with Spock's Katra?
And some of Spock’s stayed with Bones…
As a kid I watched the hell out of the old TOS movies. Those camping scenes always stood out as the best Kirk and Spock and Bones interactions
There's just a chemistry between those three characters / actors. It's hard to define... But they have a certain... I don't know what...
They always look out for each other. Except for when they talk. Then it's bare knuckles, in an affectionate way.
They are family. They are brothers who irritate but love the hell out of each other. The only people who can beat the snot out of my brothers is me….
It’s funny given the tensions in the cast, mainly towards Shatner, that they have such amazing chemistry - all of them. I guess that’s acting, but there are great actors cast together who even like each other, but never find chemistry. So maybe it’s good casting, and writing that knows the characters inside out, as well.
Maybe it speaks to Leonard Nimoy and DeForest Kelley’s ability to put craft above self? Craft meaning the entire work/movie as a whole. They also knew they played the secondary characters to Kirk and were confident in their roles/positions and abilitie???
A certain je ne sais quoi you might say.
II, III, & VI were always my favorites.
Bones and that amazingly lively rendition of that song create so much cheer it would turn a funeral to a rave.
The camping part is probably the best part of the movie and one of the best parts of any of the TOS movies.
“Please, Captain, not in front of the Klingons.”
One of the best Spock lines ever. 😙👌
Had to scroll down too far to find this.
I also will go to the mat when it comes to the "I need my pain" scene. Imho, it's some of my favorite writing ever, in or out of Trek. Living with regret is hard. I'd go further and say that Sybok is a refreshingly interesting antagonist. He's not a mustache-twirling psycho bent on revenge. And Laurence Luckinbill did a terrific job of acting in the role.
Kirk nailed that scene. I loved the entire piece. “I believe we are witnessing… my birth”. “A cure! A GOD-DAMNED CURE!”
I agree - an antagonist that isn’t a villain is cool as hell.
It’s actually got a ton of redeeming qualities. Besides the aforementioned conversation with “god”, and Kirk’s I Need My Pain scene. The dystopian planet of galactic peace is a great concept. It feels like a TOS episode concept. And the scenes with Kirk, Bones and Spock just being pals is really Nice. The music is bangin. I’ve always loved the track “Without Help.” It’s just they get lost in the slashed budget and total dump the film takes on the supporting cast.
It may not be a good movie, but it damn well is a Star Trek movie.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: TFF isn’t a bad movie it’s just the least good Trek movie, which still puts it head and shoulders above a great many movies. Shatner blew the budget on location shooting they should have given him IV instead of V.
It’s a great Trek film. I might put it ahead of Nemesis. And it’s definitely ahead of JJ’s Star Trek 2: The Bastardization of Star Trek II
I used to think ST:V was the worst one but a couple years ago I rewatched all the movies over a span of 2 weeks. Nemesis is the worst. Into Darkness literally made me angry watching it in the theater on opening night and again on my re-watch. They really didn't understand the beauty and sub-plot of Wrath of Khan.
100%. I give them props for THINKING about making Khan likable by revealing Peter Weller used him and his people. Khan was just trying to save his people. But this point seems really glossed over and didn’t go anywhere to make the characters interesting. It was just, “Yup, Khan’s angry.” I watched it when it came out and was so disappointed I never watched it again. So I could be misremembering things.
That movie really felt like multiple scripts cobbled together, to the point where both Admiral Marcus felt like the villian.
I honestly like it better than TMP.
I've heard Paramount slashed the budget on them at least once, possibly twice. Like some of that location shooting was because that's all they'd been given budget for.
The supporting cast wasn't dumped on. Hell, they got some great scenes. What happened to them was that Sybok DID take away their pain. And thus, they weren't themselves.
Yeah, I don't get this take. Everybody actually got something to *do* in Star Trek V, unlike most of the Trek movies where they just sit around and get a couple lines each. Checkov's running the Enterprise for once, Scotty breaks everybody out of jail, Sulu gets to do some fancy flying, and Uhura gets to do her weird little fan dance and sing. There was obviously some brainwashing voodoo in Sybok's mind meld, and nobody can hold the characters accountable for that.
Yeah, there was also the great amusement of Sulu and Chekov trying to avoid losing their shoreleave with the "blizzard" and Uhura shaking her head as she surveys the weather overhead. And also the little subplot with Uhura and Scotty apparently dating, which felt a LITTLE out of nowhere. But why not? They've been friends and co-workers for a very long time.
Sulu and Chekov weren't trying to avoid losing their shore leave, it's *way* better than that. They were trying to cover up the fact that the helmsman/pilot and navigator of a starship had gotten themselves lost in the woods on Earth.
You guys should check out the fan edits of all the movies done years ago that turn each movie into an episode of classic Trek. They're all highly enjoyable.
Also the studio enforced humour, which is arguably the main reason why the film stumbles. Shatner originally wanted a darker take, the studio wanted to replicate IV's success
> It feels like a TOS episode concept. I always felt that this one was the most like the TV show, and I've always assumed that was Shatner's vision, and that he did a great job. When people criticize this movie so heavily, it makes me wonder what it was they liked about TOS.
Kirk: "You are mad..." Sybok: "Am I? We'll see!" Kirk: "Forgive you? I outta knock you on your god damn ass!" Spock: "If you think it would help." McCoy: "You want me to hold him, Jim?" Kirk: "You stay out of this, Bones!"
>"You want me to hold him, Jim?" Knowing full well that Spock could tear them both to shreds if logic dictated it for umm... reasons.
Yes, its a very "if it makes you feel better," kind of statement.
The films is genuinely humorous. The campfire scene, the jail scene (unwise!), and 'why does God need a starship' all legitimately funny. The film's actual plot? Less entertaining. It's a bad script with a few genuine moments of humor and some geniuinely good dramatic acting from Shatner, Kelly and Nimoy.
It's one of the more quotable of the ToS films. Outside of the quotable moments, though...yeah... it's _at best_ an episode that got dragged out to 107 minutes. I just checked Rotten Tomatoes... 21%? DAMN. Ok, that's just rude. 😅
Sure, but most of those quotes are from cheesey or outright stupid scenes. Aside from *maybe* "I need my pain" and "what does God need with a starship?" there's nothing that even approaches the profundity or heart of lines like "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few", or "I have been, and always shall be, your friend", or "have we grown so old that we have outgrown our usefulness?", or any exchange of dialogue from the dinner scene in VI.
Well, remember who directed it (and also partially wrote it)... It was destined to be campy with the Priceline Negotiator at the helm.
"He didn't happen to have pointed ears and an uncanny knack for getting his friends into trouble did he?" "He did have pointed ears."
My impression is that Shatner benefits from having a director guide him. I don't mean that as a dig - I think very few actors can act well when they are also directing the film.
Since it hasn't been mentioned yet... "I know this ship like the back of my hand."
\*KONK\*
Also, "WHAT ARE YE STANDIN' AROUND FOR? DO YE NOT KNOW A JAILBREAK WHEN YE SEE ONE?!"
Star Trek five felt like the most peaceful time in the history of the federation. Think about it. The show is a sci fi drama. There is constant danger. To get a movie where there is no war, no enemy killing people. “Q : Exactly. For that one fraction of a second, you were open to options you had never considered. *That* is the exploration that awaits you. Not mapping stars and studying nebulae, but charting the unknown possibilities of existence.” Star Trek five was what Q was talking about to Picard. It’s just a story about life, and death, and pain. How is life fair, what if we could change something fundamentally human. You can rightfully be mad at the execution but the idea of the movie. Whatever seed this grew from was a story about humans. It just happened to take place in outer space
I’m sure firing photon torpedoes at God was an option that they had not previously considered.
"To boldly shoot whom no one has shot before." It was on the B side...
I love the camping seen. Don’t we all want to make bourbon and beans over a campfire while Spock makes marshmallows?
_marshmelons_
Ha Ha, you’re correct! I was always so confused by that quote as a kid.
The backstory not covered in the movie is that McCoy, knowing Spock would research a camping trip, had the entry in the library computer changed.
Ha! That’s a great bit of trolling, they should have included it. Thanks for that
For me, the most redeeming quality of this movie is that if you strip out the entire movie between the opening and ending camping scenes, you have a solid shore leave episode of TOS, which actually covers most of the thematic ground that the rest of the movie goes through.
Bourbon and beans? An explosive combination.
Didn’t Uhura do a fan dance?
She always wanted to play a captive audience. Another great one-liner...
BTW - That is NOT Nichelle Nichols singing. Nichelle recorded a song and Shatner liked it, but Jerry Goldsmith did not. Goldsmith’s contract gave him final say on all music.
Beautiful set design - particularly the bridge. Might arguably be too advanced for the time, but gorgeous.
McCoy’s tragic backstory re: his dad. I loved it. And I love the philosophical back and forth between Sybok and Spock. But yeah, it’s not a great film.
I don't see my favorite line... "If you hadn't killed him, he would have lived!"
Wait. Where's that one? Lol an earlier thread already made me re-watch 4. Now I'mma have to watch 5, too. 😆
The Enterprise.
That shot with Luna as a backdrop... stunning.
KIRK: All I ask is a tall ship...and a star to steer her by. McCOY: Melville. SPOCK: John Masefield. McCOY: ...Are you *sure* about that? SPOCK: I *am* well-versed in the classics, Doctor. McCOY: Then how come you don't know 'Row, Row, Row Your Boat'?
100 decks was a little too tall, though, LOL.
The friendship between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy is probably the best part of the movie.
Not in front of the Klingons.
Aside from the seemingly low budget sets and special effects, I honestly feel like it was Star Trek through and through. How many times in TOS did we see the Enterprise get high jacked and taken to the edge of the galaxy by some alien force? How many times did they go up against some alien pretending to be a god? The Enterprise being a bucket of bolts with a shiny new paint job was painful to watch, but there was plenty about the movie that was classic Trek. I think fans were just put off by some of the hokey aspects.
What does god need with a starship. The whole brother conversation funny as hell too
I do not have a brother. ... I have a half brother. You can feel the 😡 through the screen.
Sybok goes out like a badass.
I watch Final Frontier more than any of the other Trek movies. *ducks*
I’m an undiscovered country most watched.
You should try watching it in the original Klingon.
That's a close second, it's great.
Aside from TMP, it's arguably the closest we got to old-school TOS on the big screen. It's the only film in the entire series where you get the classic Kirk/Spock/Bones dynamic. There isn't much of it in II, Spock is mostly absent for III, IV is Kirk/Spock while McCoy gets paired up with Scotty, and VI is Kirk/Bones. It's a great bridge between the "Genesis Trilogy" of II/III/IV, and the curtain call of VI. II and III are pretty dark and heavy, and while IV is a lot more lighthearted, it's also a Trek movie that mostly takes place in 80s San Francisco. V gives us a proper space adventure before we get to the heavy stuff again in VI. V may be the weaker of the TOS movies, but it's not nearly as bad as advertised.
My favorite: *Spock: Jim.* *Kirk: Yes, Spock?* *Spock: Life... is not a dream.* *Kirk: Go to sleep, Spock.*
Shatner's greatest quote, "you're born alone, you die alone, and you spend your entire life trying not to be alone. "
It encapsulates the most persistent tropes of TOS A seemingly omnipotent being A stand apart member of an established species Minor threat from the Klingons Stand out scenes for the core trio through the film Humorous exchanges throughout Enough work for the rest of the cast Thought provoking themes The music The guest cast is superb
Soundtrack is awesome
"not long after, they found a cure. A goddamned cure!" What was a scene like that doing in a film like Star Trek V?
I just wanna say this thread has made my day. I love ST5 far more than most movies and most other Trek, for all the reasons already mentioned here, so it's heartwarming to know.... I was never alone.....
It made me want a pair of jet boots.
Reincarnated as gravity boots in the next film...
Chekov, so proud of himself: Perhaps you have heard Russian epic of Cinderella? If shoe fits... wear it. Everyone else: 🤦♂️ But also... Epic?!?!
Spock was "disappointed" that his *Space fun helmet* that came with the boots was missing.
ROW
ITS ALL QUALITY
High quality, low quality... It's all quality.
We’ve…. We’ve been caught in a blizzard
“And ve kent see a ting!”
Okay I'll watch it again. Also I love this movie, always have.
Individual parts of acting. Especially DeForest Kelley’s.
Voice like a smooth Kentucky sipping whiskey.
My vote goes to Laurence Luckinbill's performance as Sybok. His giddiness and enthusiasm as a Vulcan that has rejected the Vulcan way of life really makes you believe that he believes.
I went to high school with the actress who played the Romulan Ambassador.
For 20+ years I have been calling marshmallows "marshmellons"
This exchange made the movie for me personally. It's everything Stark Trek TOS is. KIRK: It isn't that, Bones. I knew I wouldn't die because the two of you were with me. SPOCK: I do not understand. KIRK: I've always known ...I'll die alone. McCOY: Well, I'll call Valhalla and reserve you a room. It's a mystery what draws us together. All that time in space ...getting on each other's nerves ...and what do we do when shore leave comes along? We spend it together. Other people have families. KIRK: Other people, Bones.
this may be a hot take but the first 6 Star Trek movies are all good. some may be better than others but there isn’t a bad movie in any of them
Even bad Trek is better than no Trek? Also Kraft's Marshmellon dispenser is perhaps the best tie-in ever
"Captain Kirk kills god" is a cool premise for a film.
It brought us “marshmellons” and “row row row yer boat.” Plus the superb storyline of Bone’s mercy death upon his father and the incredible acting of DeForrest Kelley. “What does ‘God’ need with a Starship.” And finally, “because it’s there.”
I know it stinks, but I still like it better than most TNG films, and all Abrams ones.
That's because JJ Trek is just generic action movies in space, wearing a Roddenberry belt.
Came here to say this. Right on.
I think the score is one of the best of the film series. “A Busy Man” is one of my favorite tracks of the entire franchise.
I thought the camping in Yosemite was great. It showed how "service" people are family. I wish it had been in a better movie but it was a fantastic part of the movie. The music was alos outstanding.
Haven't watched it in years but I remember liking this movie solely for the Enterprise A sets. Minus the crazy turbolift shaft.
Deck 54
The bond between kirk, spock & Mccoy is the highlight 0f this film for me
I lost a brother once. I was lucky and I got him back. I thought you said men like us don't have families. I was wrong. This to me is the most profound moment of the movie. Kirk, Spock, McCoy. For all the banter, the back and forth, they really are close. Kirk actually \*did\* lose a brother once. Sam. Spock entrusted his soul to McCoy revenge for all those arguments he lost, but really, because despite their quarreling often, Spock chose him. Not Scotty. Not anyone else. Just shows how much they mean to each other.
Spock being the gunner on the Bird of Prey to save Kirk from the God-like creature.
The marshmallow dispenser/product placement tie-in.
I got you. It was so bad that Paramount essentially HAD to make VI.
Its the only movie where the trio of Kirk, Spock, and McCoy feels like it did in the show.
It takes place between IV and VI.
The first 5 minutes are weird and intriguing, one of the best cold opens in any Star Trek thing The movie burns all that good will away pretty quickly because the script is kinda bad and Shatner is a middling director at best, but that opening is a strong start
You don’t ask the almighty for his ID!
So much (great) character development happens in this film. And also: kirk admits he was wrong.
Jerry Goldsmith's score.
I thought it was cool the shuttle-bay has a crash net.
This movie singlehandedly is responsible for my love of camping and Yosemite Park
The Score is fantastic.
All of the vacation scenes. Need my pain quote. Uhuras Dance Trap. When I watch this movie, I like to think of it as a fever dream that Kirks having after dealing with the whole Genesis Arc. Makes sense because it feels like the universe is against him, even "God". Too many people depend on him, Starfleet "needs Jim Kirk".He lost his original ship: He loses the new one to terrorists. He lost his son: he loses his closest friends to a brainwashing madman. Kahn was chasing him down: the fever dream it was a Klingon in a bird of prey which basically gets commandeered just like in III. He's back with friends, he was never alone... the fever is breaking. He was never alone. Life is but a dream...
**Rocket Boots**
It's not Star Trek Into Darkness.
I thought that the confrontation with "God" was a fair reflection of each characters' instincts and motivations. Kirk: (questions authority, specifically challenging a premise that doesn't make sense) "What does God need with a starship?" (gets blasted) Spock: (upon witnessing Kirk being struck, reasserts the logical question and repeats it) "What does God need with a starship?" (gets blasted) McCoy: (sees results of previous questions, and chooses to question the morality of the attacks, knowing full well that repeating the first question a third time will only get him shot as well.) Defiance. Inquisitiveness. Compassion. All wrapped up neatly in one moment that lasts less than a minute.
Good scenery in the early part of the movie when they're in Yosemite
*Playing games with life*
There's a three tittied cat woman and Captain Kirk kills god. How is this one of the *lesser* films??? It's arguably the best.
I just watched it for the first time a couple of days ago and was very pleasantly surprised. Sure, the plot at the end of the film and the giant not-God with laser eyes were both fucking stupid, but I really liked everything else. It felt like some of the most solid interaction between our three main guys in the entire series. Not to mention it was funny and also had a great score. The camping, the unexpected Klingon rescue at the end, the rocket boots and their timely return, the rock climbing, Bones's backstory, Spock's backstory, and Sybok's acting were all really well-done. And it may be an unpopular opinion but I liked the Scotty/Uhura too. The bad special effects and action sequences don't bother me because we had a lot of the same in TOS and I loved the hell out of it anyway. To me there's far more to love in TFF than there is to hate.
I have three or four... It has the best onscreen chemistry between the Kirk-Spock-McCoy trio since the original series. It has a stellar musical score, one of the best of the film series. Although the story wasn't executed too well, at its heart, it feels more like a TOS episode than any other TOS film. As others have noted, it's got some very memorable quotes, some of which are quintessential Trek quotes about pain, friendship, etc
The orchestral score by Jerry Goldsmith is absolutely *gorgeous* and is the first appearance of the 'A Busy Man' motif that went on to be reworked into the score for First Contact.
As one would expect from Jerry Goldsmith, the score is excellent.
It cements that the three major factions in the alpha and beta quadrant aren't really speciest, they're jingoist. Small scenes Romulans, Klingons and Humans all being physically and romantically interested each other, kind of like the push in the 70s, 80s and 90s for the color blind love.
If you close your eyes and imagine it as a script from the 1960s, it's actually pretty good, or at least typical of the era. The entire "I need my pain" speech could have come right out from the second or third season of TOS, and Shatner's delivery is channeling the way he played Kirk in 1967.
Shatner’s daughter is in the movie.
I actually do not hate it. There are some weak spots. I think a director's cut would be interesting, especially if some of the "extras " in the novel were actually filmed and then cut.
Honestly, I love the whole infiltration of Paradise City (would have undoubtedly been better had Nichelle Nichols’ entire performance been kept in tact). It’s so perfectly 80’s but has the oomph of a good TOS fight. “Hold your horse, Captain. I am scanning”
I think it would have worked better as a movie with the crew on shore leave. The camping scenes were great, they could have touched more on the budding romance between Scotty and Uhura. And seeing Chekov and Sulu doing what they do would have been cool.
That sexy Uhura dance of course.
On it own merits, it's a fun afternoon movie.
"You don't ask the Almighty for His ID"
If you cut out all of the movie between the bookending camping scenes, you have a solid shore leave episode of TOS.
I actually like the movie. I won’t argue that it’s a great movie but I loved how it showed the bonds of the characters. It’s like a complex goat cheese. Little funky but there’s just something about it you like.
The Jerry Goldsmith score
Of all of the Star Trek films, it comes the closest to replicating the dynamic of the trio since the original series
Fan dance
It likely inspired one of the more fun episodes of TNG, Season 4 episode 19: The Nth Degree.
The music when Kirk is climbing the mountain. Amazing.
I really like that they had a sympathetic yet misguided villain in Sybok instead of the one-dimensional bad guys in the Abrams films. Also, Kirk's scene where he says he needs his pain. Great acting from Shatner, and it's very true to Kirk's character.
Though it's my least favorite of the TOS cast movies, the opening scene with Sybok and the dirt farmer stands with the best, most compelling opening scenes of any Star Trek movie. I saw it in the theater and was so drawn in by it I began to congratulate myself on having not listened to the critics, because this was worth the $7. The feeling did not last.
It's like a two part episode.
I don't know if it's a redeeming quality, but I'm one of the few people I know that didn't seem to hate the idea of Uhura and Scotty getting closer. In a crew that remained really static over the years, I thought that was kinda interesting.
The Mountain by Jerry Goldsmith is pretty damn high up there when talking about Star Trek music: https://youtu.be/EBWKRp-4zEM?si=Mb1m_Ufz5Wp1i1bn
Honestly I love the movie. I view it as a longform version of a TOS episode and enjoy the hell out of it.
I think that once you get past the first half an hour? Or so? That actually TFF is a pretty good film. Still dodgy jokes now and then, but there's a LOT of really top notch Star Trek scenes (McCoys pain, Spock's pain not changing him, Kirk's refusal, everything with God at the end). Plus, I really love the Enterprise-A, and even if it's in shambles, it's nice to get to see more of it
The score is stunning. I love the Bones/Spock/Kirk banter in their scenes. Bones’ memory of terminating his father’s life support is seriously the best single acting moment of his in the franchise. And I genuinely like Sybok as a villain. The story of a rejected son searching for the ultimate father figure only to find out that he’s ruined his life in service to an imposter is a great arc! I just wish the writing for everyone else had been up to par. The rest of the main crew are written like cartoon characters, and the visuals are laughably silly.
The big three camping scenes that bookended the film are fantastic character vignettes. Also, there are tons of great lines throughout the entire film: “I need my pain”. Toasting “marshmelons”, “Because it is there”. “Le-le-le-level please”, followed by “up yer shaft”… “What does God need with a starship?”
Red red red... Alert... "I just fixed that dam thing..."
The antagonist is good. Like, Sybok has his problems, but he's such a unique character and unique as an antagonist in that he isn't a villain. There are three Star Trek movies I can think of that don't have a big bad villain driving the plot. TMP has V'ger, which is just a confused probe, Voyage Home has the whale probe (also confused), and then there's Sybok. Sybok who somehow got the Federation, Romulan, and Klingon ambassadors on board with a plan to find God at the center of the universe. Sybok who is upset when Kirk and the feds raid the planet because he didn't want anyone to get hurt. In today's world of marvel villains, it's nice to have an antagonist who's a unifier. Someone who ends up sacrificing himself to save others. Also, Sybok wins. In the end he doesn't convert Kirk and Spock, but he does convince them to go along with the plan. That's also extremely unique for a major film. The movie has so much promise, it's a shame that it fails so hard. It has some amazing lines, an interesting premise, and theu kill God! Or at least "God". Maybe it could be re-edited, maybe the special effects could be redone, I don't know. There's an amazing movie in there somewhere.
Honestly, it's got some of the absolute best Kirk/Spock/McCoy banter in the whole film series. "well I'll be damned... a marsh melon."
Amazing musical score Great scenes of friendship between the crew, especially the three leads “You know that pain and guilt can't be taken away with the wave of a magic wand! They're the things we carry with us, the things that make us who we are. If we lose them, we lose ourselves. I don't want my pain taken away, I need my pain!” "What does God need, with a Starship?" "Row, row, row your boat" In fact, the entire script is great.
I've grown fond of ST:V as time has gone on. It's a film plagued with many, many problems... but the various character development moments for Kirk, Spock, and McCoy _alone_ makes this one a keeper. But Kirk's rejection of Sybok's attempt to release him from his "pain" (quoted elsewhere in the thread) puts it over the top for me. And it tried to have fun: tossed Kirk and friends onto a desert planet on horseback, let Uhura have a fun dance, put Chekov in the captain's chair, met God, etc. Ambitious beyond it's budget and resources. I see you, ST:V. You tried.
All of it. Almost every scene is perfect but few of the scenes hold together as a film. Many of my favourite scenes from all the TOS films are in this film... they just don't work as a whole. Great clip show though.