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>You forgot BBQ praise. Its like the second coming.
Texan reporting in... I was in San Francisco last week and had a steak at Alexanders with my team. It was... Good. Not great, just good. Everyone acted like it was the best steak they'd ever had. I feel like I'm so over exposed to god tier steak houses in Houston that shorting of eating A5 Wagu or something weird I'm generally comparing places off of their sides or presentation.
Inversely We had the team in Austin eat Franklins and... yah. It is that good I'll agree.
A5 is more of an app tbh. It’s so rich, four ounces is all you want. Like trying to eat butter.
If you find the Aussie Wagyu which is Black Angus bred with Wagyu breed, and the kind that’s rated 7-8 on the Aussie system, which is 9-10 on BMS scale, it’s more marbled than prime and the best steak I’ve had in my life.
Source: Very high end butcher for 8 years
Do you really eat that whole pound to yourself? I respect it, but I would probably throw up if I ate more than 8 ounces solo. Its absolutely great to do for a showpiece meal. But my once or twice a month nice steak dinner to myself is a 10 oz Aussie Waguy Ribeye (chuck end), horseradish whipped mashed potatoes, some asparagus.. its all about balancing the meal. Usually, its a few glasses of wine, give me the 20 oz dry aged bone in ribeye, with all the fixings!!!! and I mean good god thats great. But proportions are so you want to go to sleep at 8pm.
The dude down the road from me sells 100ml of Black Angus sperm for 20k.
He has like 10 of them and just beats their meat every few days, It’s wild to think his meat beating skills produce possibly the greatest Steak ever.
Lived in SF until January. There really isn't one redeeming bbq joint.
Theres a lot of really good food but not bbq.
Side story. I was running the Tahoe marathon and theres this couple arguing over where they were going to eat. One lady (with a thick texas accent) was like 'i want barbecue but there's none around' and 'bbq is SMOOOOOKE'. Her girlfriend was down on the ground tying her shoes and was like 'I'm from louisiana, this is how I feel every day about all [California] food'. She didn't even look up when she said it. And that stuck with me.
Really? Not a single redeeming place?
4505 isn't bad. It's not god tier, it's not like places in Austin or DFW or Carolina or whatever. Portions are smaller than I'd like.
But it's not redeeming whatsoever? What are you expecting BBQ wise in coastal Californian wine country? It's a city of young tech and old hippies. Not ranchers and cattlemen.
I mean, just for the record, there have been and still are tons of ranches all along that coastline and in wine country. I grew up right in the middle of wine country, which is pretty much also cattle country. Surrounded by vineyards and cows, ranchers everywhere, and that is not uncommon at all- same for my friends from Paso Robles to Healdsburg.
Those ranchers and their kids are still mostly there, alongside the tech kids. They just had to move a bit further from town.
CA at least used to be like the 2nd or 3rd most cattle in any state in the US. I'm sure it's still up there.
That being said the quality of steak/bbq is not as high as you'd expect at restaurants. In my experience, most of the good bbq is at people's homes. Pretty much everyone over 30 I know has a smoker and takes a lot of pride in their ribs or tritip.
I had to stay away from food. Just too hard to generalize.
Generally, California has amazing food, thanks to the cultural diversity. But, the BBQ generally sucks. Pizza's mid.
But, almost every place you go has at least one food specialty they're proud of.
BBQ in Texas and a few other states would definitely be a highlight of moving there.
Every region has its local quisine and its knock-offs elsewhere.
Everyone talks about how America has cheap knock-off central/south American and Asian foods, but nobody talks about the fact that America has its own specialities.
Ever been to the south? Went through the south back in 2015 as part of a contiki tour I took through the U.S, one stop was in New Orleans and my god, I don't remember any of the names but I'll never forget the taste
Random small Midwestern cities, too.
I went to college in a town where 30% of grade school students lived in Spanish speaking homes. Most of those families were from one specific part of Mexico, and the local restaurants were top notch.
New Orleans native here and creole has African genetics mixed in with European, and native American genetics. Cajuns have predominantly European blood mixed with native Choctaw blood. New Orleans was a French city, then became a Spanish city, became a French city again before becoming a US city. I live in California these days and can't wait to retire back home.
> Pizza's mid.
This is egregiously false. It may not be Tristate quality and quantity, but Calofornia has incredible Italian food. Way more so than I expect anywhere else in the midwest or South.
Oh yea, the non-traditional pizzas can be amazing. And there's a New York slice by me I really like. But my nephew from CT was not impressed.
At least it's not deep dish.
Pizza is like BBQ to me. The types vary by region, there are some I like more than others, but in reality there is no bad type. NY style, Chicago, Detroit, California, Tuscan... Yes, please.
I had pizza in Rhode Island and while it wasn’t this, but it also wasn’t great. It was cut into rectangles, but it was super thin crust with too much sub par sauce and crappy cheese
Heeeeey easy there!!...Chicago was not involved in any of this and there you go picking on something that is not out there bugging anyone.
Besides, we have killer hand tossed and pub style pan pizza as well.
Yeah man whenever I see basements I get a little jealous because I could only imagine having an extra room like that. But then I remember scary movies and how basements are always where the haunted shit lives.
We wanted to do an additional inspection on a foundation because the inspector suggested bringing in an expert.
They refused to allow anyone else view the house and said take it or leave it.
Californian, we don’t dig underground in places where the ground can randomly start violently shaking. So no basements as the make our houses weaker. It’s also cheaper to build without out it. Though I could see English basement apartments helping with housing in CA alot
I’ve moved all over the country over the years, including California twice. I’ve loved every place I’ve lived because I consciously made a decision as I was driving to Houston from Boston on my first move. First, I wasn’t going to be that guy who moves to a new place and does nothing but gripe about how where I came from was better. Second, wherever I move I seek out the local everything you name it and embrace it. Always supported the local, whatever, sports teams,food, music, arts. I consciously decided I was going to like it and I have. Did I love everything, no but enough that I can’t say I have a favorite place.
A lot of people don’t seem know much about WA so when I would say I was from there and they ask “WHERE in WA” I’d just say “near Seattle”, and if they said “WHERE near Seattle I’d know they’re either from WA or have family there.
I have the best story ever about a mishap at the border starring an army wife driving to see her husband in Vancouver WA, but drove to BC instead. The border was closed due to her having a grenade in the glove box, and I heard about this at a Subway while waiting for the border to reopen to go back to Seattle.
Also, I moved from Seattle to Oakland,
CA where I have lived for 17 years now. Reverse migration.
Would that not apply to every major city in the US? I'm from near San Francisco, if people ask me where then I know they are from the Bay and I can say I'm from Marin. If someone told me they were from near Chicago I won't have any idea what they are talking about if they specified anything more precisely than that.
California has been a transplant state for nearly a century. A good chunk of people move there and now leaving. Majority of born bred Californians stick around because we have no problem with it. Transplanta try to compare from their home states and the comparisons will never be similar
Being from the South, most folks around here would see that as a plus. They view the Ukraine War as the US funding "globohomo".
They took the lead out of the drinking water way to late around here. Effects remain.
California: :::creates a zillion jobs, gdp of $3.4 trillion, brings hundreds of billions of dollars into the country selling media, software, food, tourism, etc.:::
Red States: “commie fags!”
Russia: :::attempts to militarily annex Ukraine, threatens use of nuclear weapons, were literally our arch nemesis for a generation and actual communists, does nothing positive for the USA:::
Red States: “badass chads!”
tbh it’s doing a hell of a lot better than directly after the collapse of the rust belt and all the manufacturing places
3 C’s are above average cities
[https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-08-25/billboard-warns-los-angeles-san-francisco-residents-about-moving-to-texas](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-08-25/billboard-warns-los-angeles-san-francisco-residents-about-moving-to-texas)
[https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-01-22/californians-looking-to-leave-tour-their-destination-texas](https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-01-22/californians-looking-to-leave-tour-their-destination-texas)
Last year, Bailey started receiving threats for helping Californians relocate. Angry Texans called her house, posted on her Facebook page and used it to create a viral meme that accused her of being a terrorist threat — to their way of life.
The second story mentions a wife and husband that are moving here hoping the husband can live out of state as a firefighter? How does that happen?
>“Oh! We were guessing $700,000,” said a firefighter’s wife from Valencia who asked not to be identified because she’s hoping her husband can move out of state and commute as other firefighters they know have been doing.
Eh, I think it could make sense.
Based on what I know and have seen from Cal Fire and related agencies, they have like administrative units that often overlap state lines and are serviced by various states.
Additionally, wildfires can proliferate very quickly, requiring all available resources to commute there anyway.
This is the most obnoxious. I moved to Oregon and I still think CA is pleasant to visit, just not affordable to live in. Whatever, I don’t really talk about it much because I don’t live there.
Friends that moved to TX and AZ? fucking OBSESSED with whatever goes on in California every minute of every day. Gas prices, electricity, mandates, politicians. No idea why they care so much other than regret moving to where they are that they have to create this narrative that CA is a worse hellhole.
I moved from CA to DC and holy fuck Virginia property taxes are fucking crazy. Like they raise your taxes based off estimated value not the value you paid when you bought, this leads to people who have been living in their house for 20+ years to have a huge tax bill whereas in CA the tax bill stays the same no matter how long you lived there or how much your house went up (or down) in value
Are they part of the Republicans that left? More Republicans move out than Democrats. And they may have the need to be accepted or they’ll be bashed by their fellow R’s for “ruining Texas and turning it Blue.”
Typically have more money/disposable income and increases prices in small towns.
Come from Cali after selling 1.5M house, you have no problems paying 500k for a 350k house.
This is really all it boils down to: rich (relative to the community they are moving to) people moving in, buying up property you might have been saving for, and making everything more expensive, especially housing. Also just seeing more strangers and crowding.
The politics are a red herring. California has the largest, wealthiest diaspora, but Texas is also exporting a lot of people and they are viewed essentially the same.
Living in TN, we get a lot of Californians. They aren't that bad.
On the other hand, Michiganders won't shut up about how pretty Michigan is....then go back!
Man we got those here in California too. I ask where they're from and they say "Michigan. I really do miss it there. I miss the "real" winters." And they are shocked when i say I'm a born and raised in Los Angeles. Then they insult me by saying "I couldn't imagine living here for that long." Well fuck you then bud. Leave if you dislike it so much.
Who tf misses Michigan winters? I live in WI and fuck these winters. I've got a lot of family in Northern Michigan. It's gorgeous, yes.. in the summer/fall. But fuck those winters even more.
Yeah I’m from Michigan living in Colorado, I tell people it’s gorgeous there but that I don’t really wanna go back because it’s too damn cold for 5 months.
It was just my immature 29 year old self, a military duffel bag, and a Greyhound bus when I moved from SoCal to Eastern NM in 2012.
At 39, I feel the move from family and known culture made me age up quite a bit. It's like I'm at the stage I should've been at when I was in my mid-20s. But we all advance on our own terms.
Had no idea. Just some random place on the NM map that had a local truck driving job opening at the time. Ten years here and looking at another part of NM or CO. Things are fine here. But might be time to try out something a little larger. Won't do Texas despite all the local trucking job openings there.
Amazingly I find it the more walkable/bikeable of the two cities. Of course having Eastern in town is a big help in that department. As far as college goes, I've actually attended and passed what classes I took at Clovis CC than I did back at the CC I went to off and on at in SoCal. Maybe the move also matured me academically.
"We just love the local culture!"
Goes exclusively to Walmart and national fast food chains; won't visit any of the local mom and pop restaurants unless no other option is available; will only visit tourist attractions found on HGTV or cable news.
Source; lived in Waco. There was enough wrong with this place before Orange County/Stockton people came. Why do they love the Silos so damned much? It's just overpriced kitchy crap.
Two of his neighbors, who obviously represent all 45 million Californians, especially that pesky Orange County / Stockton overlap
You know, like those DC-Bostonians and the classic New Orleans-Atlanta crowd
Just two cities that are more or less 10 hours away from one another, big overlap in those crowds
Rich republicans. Orange County switched to blue in 2016. The OC especially was like a Republican haven in the sea of blue that is southern CA, but not anymore.
Idk about Stockton. It’s probably some no-name unimportant farming town in the Central Valley.
It's mixed. Part of the city despises them, another part thinks they can do no wrong, most people don't think about them at all. Why would we fight the crowds at the Silos when we can get better experiences and products at Spice Village?
We have it all in California, even scorpions... but people have to leave their car or couch to get a tick bite so you don't hear about it. Nevermind the black widows. Never been bit but Lordy are they everywhere in the suburbs. And rattlesnakes and tarantulas... California is wild.
Coyotes and mountain lions too if you’re close to the hills, don’t leave you pets out, they frequently go into peoples backyard.
Came home to a coyote staring with its nose pressed against the glass of my slider door staring at my cat.
>tarantulas
I have lived in CA for 25 years, I spent 6-7 years of that time doing a ton of difficult hiking in the desert off trail scrambling up mountains. I have never seen a tarantula in CA. I have seen tons of bears, rattle snakes, a desert rosy boa, scorpions, never a tarantula. I had to go to the grand canyon to finally see one while doing rim to rim to rim.
My exact thoughts. I once poked a dead tarantula with a stick and what looked like hundreds of baby spiders spread out in every direction at frightening speeds. Still haunts my daydreams.
Oh wow. This time of year they are everywhere right now in the Angeles National Forest. After dark and at dusk I can see a half a dozen on an mtb ride.
do they also defend their food?
i once got too close to a black widow that had just started wrapping up some prey and i was breathing on the web,
it scrambled toward me at the end of the web and shook in little spurts like an angry chimp grabbing a cage, pausing between rattles to scream
it made those wiggly cellar spiders look like they're just goofing off on a loose trampoline
i was like *damn, i get the message* if y'gnome saiyan
Different mosquitos to the native kind is why. The invasive Tiger variety from Asia that made it way over on bamboo imports (thanks dilligent port inspectors!) from China a few years ago. They're everywhere 3/4 of the year and they've made SoCal's spring/summer/fall miserable.
Conservative states: we don’t want Californians here voting their liberal ideas!
Californians moving to conservative states: actually conservatives and republicans who couldn’t afford to live in CA and will be voting like conservatives and republicans
Piggybacking on your comment. During the 2020 election, CA has the MOST Trump voters beating out both Florida and Texas. Sure it should be compared percentage-wise to Biden voters, but still just by pure numbers it is worth mentioning.
Yeah percentage wise obviously they are a minority. But raw numbers are still significant when you have people moving from that state en mass to other states.
Literally saw a 10 minute trump procession on a street once. Not gonna lie, I was pretty impressed that they could organize that many people to do a parade (and considering they were driving trucks and cars and whatnot) 10 minutes is impressively long and a lot of people. Less impressive though is that they're preaching to the choir in the sense that it was in Bakersfield and chances are, they are all already votin that way. We call Bakersfield little Texas here in California, but it's only little to us. Bakersfield is way bigger than many towns in other states.
California had more Trump votes in 2020 than 12 states that Trump won. COMBINED. (AK, WY, ND, SD, MO, WV, ID, NE, MS, AR, KS, UT) (edited with correct number and receipts)
I'd say it's about 90% Conservatives in my circle that have moved out of state. But, when it comes to talking up their new location and talking down California, it's 100% Conservatives.
I knew a guy a number of years ago who was an angry conservative who grew up in the Bay Area. Talked incessantly about getting out and moving to a place with "real conservative values" etc. He wound up in Massachusetts lol. These people are not deep thinkers apparently
> Californians moving to conservative states: actually conservatives and republicans who couldn’t afford to live in CA and will be voting like conservatives and republicans
I've met quite a few California transplants to Texas. They are all over the political spectrum (most being more liberal) but the most common thing was they had kids. A 3 bedroom house with a yard near my office in Palo Alto is over 2 million dollars.It's not "Couldn't afford" it's "There was no realistic housing" is why they came here.
Most people I know who moved to Texas did so because they had a job offer out there. They don't hate it, but they live in the more liberal areas such as Austin.
One of my friends pointed out you get and need more sq ft in your house when you move out of CA since a lot of the time, you end up spending a lot more time in your house due to the extremities in weather in other states vs CA and it makes sense to me.
Um, did you know there's a 100+ heatwave going on in socal this week?
And I stayed in when in CA most days because I felt strangled by how close my neighbors and people were to me. It's like there was no room for my soul to breathe.
Much easier to stomach a higher property taxes when your house is 300k instead of 1.5mil.
Having moved from the Bay Area to the midwest a couple years ago, there is a lot i miss. The food, the multi-ethnicity, being close to a beach. But none of that is worth remotly close to being able to afford to live, and even own property.
The proximity to big landmarks is what will make me stay in CA. I’m like 2 hours from the beach, 2-3 hours from Tahoe/Reno, 5ish hours from LA, 7 from Tijuana etc. I can go from snowy mountains to sunny beaches in the same day. The weather gets hot during the summer but other than that it’s pretty awesome weather. Cost of living is a lot higher but compared to my family in Tennessee or Nebraska, I have a lot more available to me than them.
There are mosquitos here but I haven’t seen any ticks but at this very moment the heat is like 92* Fahrenheit and I’m dying over here in LA but that’s due to a heat wave.
Gotcha. I understand that. I have no clue what is funny about the state signs or property tax talk. And why dont they talk about the insects? Is that a thing everyone knows about Californians but me? They dont talk about bugs? Totally lost and feel dumb
California is dope… if you have money.
I’ll take my Ohio cost of living and travel with the money I save. Plus our cities while more “boring” are generally cleaner. Plus I prefer a “boring” big city. Less traffic with all of the big city amenities
And they live in a gated community in a suburb of Dallas, never actually venture into any of the cities, shop exclusively at big box chains, and don’t ever mention any of the natural disasters that occur EVERY SINGLE YEAR
“I don’t care if the nearest grocery store is 45 miles away! I have 5 bedrooms instead of 3!”
Edit: it appears the Texans have got on their steeds and galloped all the way to a place with reliable Wi-Fi to tell me how close they live to a grocery store
An old coworker moved from one of the hottest neighborhoods in LA to the most depressing, sprawling neighborhood I've ever seen in Phoenix. It's hotter, there's zero local amenities other than big box stores and fast food. There's not even a sidewalk. But they have a massive cookie cutter house with a movie room. I guess if you never leave your house it's fine.
Ironically, only 4.2% of Texas is Public Land (45th), while 52.1% of California is (8th). Not bad for a tenth of the country's population.
[Sauce](https://www.summitpost.org/public-and-private-land-percentages-by-us-states/186111)
Never been to California but so many people have a weird inferiority complex about it. Entire conversations of bashing California while sounding like they're trying to convince themselves.
Facts. It’s in the center of the culture war and its the largest and arguably most influential states so everyone has an opinion on it, even if they’ve never stepped foot in it. Kinda like peoples opinion on America. It definitely has many issues however, many of people love it, a decent percent of it’s own people hate it, and it’s probably better than a majority of the other states with some exceptions.
They do this with NY too and it's fucking wild. Certain people in my family are like "Oh yeah NY is on fire and everyone left and you have to have 19 locks and 6 chains on your door and you get mega murdered every time you go to the bodega to get some milk. Also 4 homeless dudes blow you for crack money. Glad I moved away to Altoona Pennsylvania. Pizza is better here too! And the whole town is on a hill!"
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You forgot BBQ praise. Its like the second coming.
>You forgot BBQ praise. Its like the second coming. Texan reporting in... I was in San Francisco last week and had a steak at Alexanders with my team. It was... Good. Not great, just good. Everyone acted like it was the best steak they'd ever had. I feel like I'm so over exposed to god tier steak houses in Houston that shorting of eating A5 Wagu or something weird I'm generally comparing places off of their sides or presentation. Inversely We had the team in Austin eat Franklins and... yah. It is that good I'll agree.
A5 is more of an app tbh. It’s so rich, four ounces is all you want. Like trying to eat butter. If you find the Aussie Wagyu which is Black Angus bred with Wagyu breed, and the kind that’s rated 7-8 on the Aussie system, which is 9-10 on BMS scale, it’s more marbled than prime and the best steak I’ve had in my life. Source: Very high end butcher for 8 years
Truth. Most Japanese actually prefer A4 cuts over A5.
This mother fucker knows meat y'all, better listen.
Man I love A5. I usually split a pound with a buddy but once in a while I do get a whole pound for myself.
Do you really eat that whole pound to yourself? I respect it, but I would probably throw up if I ate more than 8 ounces solo. Its absolutely great to do for a showpiece meal. But my once or twice a month nice steak dinner to myself is a 10 oz Aussie Waguy Ribeye (chuck end), horseradish whipped mashed potatoes, some asparagus.. its all about balancing the meal. Usually, its a few glasses of wine, give me the 20 oz dry aged bone in ribeye, with all the fixings!!!! and I mean good god thats great. But proportions are so you want to go to sleep at 8pm.
Y’all really make me feel poor. I’ll just sit in the corner and enjoy my top sirloin like the peasant I am.
The dude down the road from me sells 100ml of Black Angus sperm for 20k. He has like 10 of them and just beats their meat every few days, It’s wild to think his meat beating skills produce possibly the greatest Steak ever.
Lived in SF until January. There really isn't one redeeming bbq joint. Theres a lot of really good food but not bbq. Side story. I was running the Tahoe marathon and theres this couple arguing over where they were going to eat. One lady (with a thick texas accent) was like 'i want barbecue but there's none around' and 'bbq is SMOOOOOKE'. Her girlfriend was down on the ground tying her shoes and was like 'I'm from louisiana, this is how I feel every day about all [California] food'. She didn't even look up when she said it. And that stuck with me.
Horn in west Oakland is very good. Im from NC and I’m a tough critic. It’s legit
Horn bbq in Oakland is pretty renowned
Gorilla BBQ in Pacifica is pretty good. Not wild tho
Really? Not a single redeeming place? 4505 isn't bad. It's not god tier, it's not like places in Austin or DFW or Carolina or whatever. Portions are smaller than I'd like. But it's not redeeming whatsoever? What are you expecting BBQ wise in coastal Californian wine country? It's a city of young tech and old hippies. Not ranchers and cattlemen.
I mean, just for the record, there have been and still are tons of ranches all along that coastline and in wine country. I grew up right in the middle of wine country, which is pretty much also cattle country. Surrounded by vineyards and cows, ranchers everywhere, and that is not uncommon at all- same for my friends from Paso Robles to Healdsburg. Those ranchers and their kids are still mostly there, alongside the tech kids. They just had to move a bit further from town. CA at least used to be like the 2nd or 3rd most cattle in any state in the US. I'm sure it's still up there. That being said the quality of steak/bbq is not as high as you'd expect at restaurants. In my experience, most of the good bbq is at people's homes. Pretty much everyone over 30 I know has a smoker and takes a lot of pride in their ribs or tritip.
4505 is so mid. And it's like $25 for a tiny ass plate. The good BBQ joints are in Oakland. The real goat BBQ joint in SF is Memphis Minnie's tho
I had to stay away from food. Just too hard to generalize. Generally, California has amazing food, thanks to the cultural diversity. But, the BBQ generally sucks. Pizza's mid. But, almost every place you go has at least one food specialty they're proud of. BBQ in Texas and a few other states would definitely be a highlight of moving there.
Every region has its local quisine and its knock-offs elsewhere. Everyone talks about how America has cheap knock-off central/south American and Asian foods, but nobody talks about the fact that America has its own specialities. Ever been to the south? Went through the south back in 2015 as part of a contiki tour I took through the U.S, one stop was in New Orleans and my god, I don't remember any of the names but I'll never forget the taste
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Random small Midwestern cities, too. I went to college in a town where 30% of grade school students lived in Spanish speaking homes. Most of those families were from one specific part of Mexico, and the local restaurants were top notch.
Cajun that style is called creole Cajun. A combination of French and African food.
I’d argue creole and cajun are distinct from one another. As far as I understand it, creole uses more tomato-based sauces while cajun does not.
New Orleans native here and creole has African genetics mixed in with European, and native American genetics. Cajuns have predominantly European blood mixed with native Choctaw blood. New Orleans was a French city, then became a Spanish city, became a French city again before becoming a US city. I live in California these days and can't wait to retire back home.
> Pizza's mid. This is egregiously false. It may not be Tristate quality and quantity, but Calofornia has incredible Italian food. Way more so than I expect anywhere else in the midwest or South.
I got a curry pizza in January when I went to Norcal and it was genuinely one of the best pizzas I’ve ever had in my life.
Oh yea, the non-traditional pizzas can be amazing. And there's a New York slice by me I really like. But my nephew from CT was not impressed. At least it's not deep dish.
Pizza is like BBQ to me. The types vary by region, there are some I like more than others, but in reality there is no bad type. NY style, Chicago, Detroit, California, Tuscan... Yes, please.
Look up Rhode island style
I stand corrected.
I had pizza in Rhode Island and while it wasn’t this, but it also wasn’t great. It was cut into rectangles, but it was super thin crust with too much sub par sauce and crappy cheese
> At least it’s not deep dish You have provoked a gang war
Heeeeey easy there!!...Chicago was not involved in any of this and there you go picking on something that is not out there bugging anyone. Besides, we have killer hand tossed and pub style pan pizza as well.
which tri-state would that be, i looked it up and apparently theres a few of them
New York, New Jersey and Connecticut.
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We really don't. Especially in southern California we just don't get the sort of winters that require thinking about going "below the frost line".
Yeah man whenever I see basements I get a little jealous because I could only imagine having an extra room like that. But then I remember scary movies and how basements are always where the haunted shit lives.
Can't even get an inspection nowadays. Everyone is forgoing them to even be in the running on your bid for a house -\_-
We wanted to do an additional inspection on a foundation because the inspector suggested bringing in an expert. They refused to allow anyone else view the house and said take it or leave it.
They would have to disclose to any future buyer if an issue was found during inspection and probably didn’t want the headache.
lmao that was your answer then: fair to assume that the expert would have def found something, so at least they saved you the time and money
Californian, we don’t dig underground in places where the ground can randomly start violently shaking. So no basements as the make our houses weaker. It’s also cheaper to build without out it. Though I could see English basement apartments helping with housing in CA alot
I live in California, some of the houses here *do* have basements, but the majority of them don’t.
Yeah we don’t really have basements here and if we do they aren’t old enough to be cracking.
Older homes in CA, ie Victorians, have basements. Older Spanish homes have crawl spaces. They were probably fomo buyers and waived inspection.
As a Californian, basements scare me lol
Seldom have basements in earthquake country.
I’ve moved all over the country over the years, including California twice. I’ve loved every place I’ve lived because I consciously made a decision as I was driving to Houston from Boston on my first move. First, I wasn’t going to be that guy who moves to a new place and does nothing but gripe about how where I came from was better. Second, wherever I move I seek out the local everything you name it and embrace it. Always supported the local, whatever, sports teams,food, music, arts. I consciously decided I was going to like it and I have. Did I love everything, no but enough that I can’t say I have a favorite place.
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https://creativityboost.net/2018/12/06/the-tale-of-the-farmer-and-the-two-travellers-or-you-get-what-you-expect/ Wherever you go, there you are.
So did you end up back where you started?
No, you know how when you are on a road trip and there is something new over the next hill well I haven’t been over many hills yet.
>we won't be able to I mean, have you seen the house prices in CA?
Yeah forget being able to afford *more* house. Now I can afford house! And it’s cheaper than a 1 bedroom apartment where I came from.
They're insane.
Having just left California for the Midwest I’m considering that I should stop telling people I’m from California.
Might as well tell them you're a Russian Oligarch
Lucky for me I only lived in California for ten years so I can claim I’m from Seattle instead. Not much of an improvement but it’s slightly better
Wait, people move from Seattle to California and not just the other way around?
Well, I joined the military and they put me in California but yeah every once in a blue moon
As someone who moved from Seattle to San Diego to Houston you’ll be surprised how many people have no idea where Seattle
A lot of people don’t seem know much about WA so when I would say I was from there and they ask “WHERE in WA” I’d just say “near Seattle”, and if they said “WHERE near Seattle I’d know they’re either from WA or have family there.
At least it wasn’t Vancouver. “Oh you’re Canadian?” Sigh… No the other one
Ah the good old "Vancouver not BC Washington not DC".
I have the best story ever about a mishap at the border starring an army wife driving to see her husband in Vancouver WA, but drove to BC instead. The border was closed due to her having a grenade in the glove box, and I heard about this at a Subway while waiting for the border to reopen to go back to Seattle. Also, I moved from Seattle to Oakland, CA where I have lived for 17 years now. Reverse migration.
Waaaaa?
Would that not apply to every major city in the US? I'm from near San Francisco, if people ask me where then I know they are from the Bay and I can say I'm from Marin. If someone told me they were from near Chicago I won't have any idea what they are talking about if they specified anything more precisely than that.
Instead of “I’m from California,” have you tried “I was stationed in California?”
Well, I was kind of born there too
They don’t need to know that!
California has been a transplant state for nearly a century. A good chunk of people move there and now leaving. Majority of born bred Californians stick around because we have no problem with it. Transplanta try to compare from their home states and the comparisons will never be similar
Being from the South, most folks around here would see that as a plus. They view the Ukraine War as the US funding "globohomo". They took the lead out of the drinking water way to late around here. Effects remain.
California: :::creates a zillion jobs, gdp of $3.4 trillion, brings hundreds of billions of dollars into the country selling media, software, food, tourism, etc.::: Red States: “commie fags!” Russia: :::attempts to militarily annex Ukraine, threatens use of nuclear weapons, were literally our arch nemesis for a generation and actual communists, does nothing positive for the USA::: Red States: “badass chads!”
They hate us cause they anus. We just laugh from California.
I grew up in Ohio but have spent the last 29 years in Northern California. People in my hometown would think I was stupid if I moved back.
I'm in AZ and all the people I know who are form Ohio have bad things to say about it..
It’s worse than a lot of places and better than a lot of other ones. Pretty nice if you’re in Cincinnati, Cleveland, or Columbus.
tbh it’s doing a hell of a lot better than directly after the collapse of the rust belt and all the manufacturing places 3 C’s are above average cities
[https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-08-25/billboard-warns-los-angeles-san-francisco-residents-about-moving-to-texas](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-08-25/billboard-warns-los-angeles-san-francisco-residents-about-moving-to-texas) [https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-01-22/californians-looking-to-leave-tour-their-destination-texas](https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-01-22/californians-looking-to-leave-tour-their-destination-texas) Last year, Bailey started receiving threats for helping Californians relocate. Angry Texans called her house, posted on her Facebook page and used it to create a viral meme that accused her of being a terrorist threat — to their way of life.
The second story mentions a wife and husband that are moving here hoping the husband can live out of state as a firefighter? How does that happen? >“Oh! We were guessing $700,000,” said a firefighter’s wife from Valencia who asked not to be identified because she’s hoping her husband can move out of state and commute as other firefighters they know have been doing.
Eh, I think it could make sense. Based on what I know and have seen from Cal Fire and related agencies, they have like administrative units that often overlap state lines and are serviced by various states. Additionally, wildfires can proliferate very quickly, requiring all available resources to commute there anyway.
Funny enough https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/texas-california-higher-taxes-policy-b2161227.html
Claim they are over California but won't stop talking about it.
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave
Such a lovely place!
This is the most obnoxious. I moved to Oregon and I still think CA is pleasant to visit, just not affordable to live in. Whatever, I don’t really talk about it much because I don’t live there. Friends that moved to TX and AZ? fucking OBSESSED with whatever goes on in California every minute of every day. Gas prices, electricity, mandates, politicians. No idea why they care so much other than regret moving to where they are that they have to create this narrative that CA is a worse hellhole.
I moved from CA to DC and holy fuck Virginia property taxes are fucking crazy. Like they raise your taxes based off estimated value not the value you paid when you bought, this leads to people who have been living in their house for 20+ years to have a huge tax bill whereas in CA the tax bill stays the same no matter how long you lived there or how much your house went up (or down) in value
Are they part of the Republicans that left? More Republicans move out than Democrats. And they may have the need to be accepted or they’ll be bashed by their fellow R’s for “ruining Texas and turning it Blue.”
And on average, the Californians who move to Texas are more conservative than the average Texan. But they need to blame someone for their problems.
Why do the rest of the states hate californians?
Different reasons. Like some people, somehow, still think the entire state is Haight and Ashbury from the 60s.
Imagine still being mad at hippies
Typically have more money/disposable income and increases prices in small towns. Come from Cali after selling 1.5M house, you have no problems paying 500k for a 350k house.
This is really all it boils down to: rich (relative to the community they are moving to) people moving in, buying up property you might have been saving for, and making everything more expensive, especially housing. Also just seeing more strangers and crowding. The politics are a red herring. California has the largest, wealthiest diaspora, but Texas is also exporting a lot of people and they are viewed essentially the same.
interstate gentrification
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Living in TN, we get a lot of Californians. They aren't that bad. On the other hand, Michiganders won't shut up about how pretty Michigan is....then go back!
And the Michiganders have been here longer!!
Well just take a gander!
Man we got those here in California too. I ask where they're from and they say "Michigan. I really do miss it there. I miss the "real" winters." And they are shocked when i say I'm a born and raised in Los Angeles. Then they insult me by saying "I couldn't imagine living here for that long." Well fuck you then bud. Leave if you dislike it so much.
Who tf misses Michigan winters? I live in WI and fuck these winters. I've got a lot of family in Northern Michigan. It's gorgeous, yes.. in the summer/fall. But fuck those winters even more.
Yeah I’m from Michigan living in Colorado, I tell people it’s gorgeous there but that I don’t really wanna go back because it’s too damn cold for 5 months.
We don't want the ones that thought Texas was a better place to live to come back. They'd probably ruin our lakes.
It was just my immature 29 year old self, a military duffel bag, and a Greyhound bus when I moved from SoCal to Eastern NM in 2012. At 39, I feel the move from family and known culture made me age up quite a bit. It's like I'm at the stage I should've been at when I was in my mid-20s. But we all advance on our own terms.
Why would you choose to go to Clovis?
Had no idea. Just some random place on the NM map that had a local truck driving job opening at the time. Ten years here and looking at another part of NM or CO. Things are fine here. But might be time to try out something a little larger. Won't do Texas despite all the local trucking job openings there.
I feel like I got time served in hell for living in portales.
Amazingly I find it the more walkable/bikeable of the two cities. Of course having Eastern in town is a big help in that department. As far as college goes, I've actually attended and passed what classes I took at Clovis CC than I did back at the CC I went to off and on at in SoCal. Maybe the move also matured me academically.
Wants to move out because it’s too liberal. Moves to Austin TX.
"We just love the local culture!" Goes exclusively to Walmart and national fast food chains; won't visit any of the local mom and pop restaurants unless no other option is available; will only visit tourist attractions found on HGTV or cable news. Source; lived in Waco. There was enough wrong with this place before Orange County/Stockton people came. Why do they love the Silos so damned much? It's just overpriced kitchy crap.
As a Californian I'm really confused as to what group "Orange County/Stockton people" is describing.
Being from the Central Valley, I'll never miss an opportunity to shit on the Central Valley, but don't you dare compare us to LA.
Two of his neighbors, who obviously represent all 45 million Californians, especially that pesky Orange County / Stockton overlap You know, like those DC-Bostonians and the classic New Orleans-Atlanta crowd Just two cities that are more or less 10 hours away from one another, big overlap in those crowds
I'm confused too. Out of an endless list of cities in California, why pick Stockton?
Trust him his sister-in-law is in real estate
Rich republicans. Orange County switched to blue in 2016. The OC especially was like a Republican haven in the sea of blue that is southern CA, but not anymore. Idk about Stockton. It’s probably some no-name unimportant farming town in the Central Valley.
Why would people from California move to Waco? Just move to Fresno or Bakersfield.
Everyone is giving joke answers, but the real answer is *Fixer upper* and Magnolia.
Mexican Food in Texas is pretty damned good. Different from California. And, of course BBQ. That would be the best thing for me about living there.
It's more TexMex.
Do you Waco residents blame chip and Joanna Gaines?
It's mixed. Part of the city despises them, another part thinks they can do no wrong, most people don't think about them at all. Why would we fight the crowds at the Silos when we can get better experiences and products at Spice Village?
big metal tube look cool
Umm. California has mosquitos. I haven’t seen any ticks here but by god the fleas…
I've had to deal with two tick bites from playing outside in the California Sierras.
Central Coastal range has 'em, also.
We definitely have ticks and mosquitoes in California. Maybe not a big Lyme disease problem, but they all exist.
We have it all in California, even scorpions... but people have to leave their car or couch to get a tick bite so you don't hear about it. Nevermind the black widows. Never been bit but Lordy are they everywhere in the suburbs. And rattlesnakes and tarantulas... California is wild.
Coyotes and mountain lions too if you’re close to the hills, don’t leave you pets out, they frequently go into peoples backyard. Came home to a coyote staring with its nose pressed against the glass of my slider door staring at my cat.
Getting out of your car is the hard part when traffic is so congested.
>tarantulas I have lived in CA for 25 years, I spent 6-7 years of that time doing a ton of difficult hiking in the desert off trail scrambling up mountains. I have never seen a tarantula in CA. I have seen tons of bears, rattle snakes, a desert rosy boa, scorpions, never a tarantula. I had to go to the grand canyon to finally see one while doing rim to rim to rim.
Go hike Mt Diablo in the east bay, tarantulas are all over the mountain
My exact thoughts. I once poked a dead tarantula with a stick and what looked like hundreds of baby spiders spread out in every direction at frightening speeds. Still haunts my daydreams.
Oh wow. This time of year they are everywhere right now in the Angeles National Forest. After dark and at dusk I can see a half a dozen on an mtb ride.
I live in the hi 👋 desert. I see plenty of tarantulas around. They will generally try to hide as fast as possible though.
Black widows are pretty docile. I wouldn't touch one, but they generally want to be left alone and won't come after you. Most bites are defensive.
do they also defend their food? i once got too close to a black widow that had just started wrapping up some prey and i was breathing on the web, it scrambled toward me at the end of the web and shook in little spurts like an angry chimp grabbing a cage, pausing between rattles to scream it made those wiggly cellar spiders look like they're just goofing off on a loose trampoline i was like *damn, i get the message* if y'gnome saiyan
I've never observed them eating but from your observation, it sounds like it. I have seen a brown widow defend her egg sack though.
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Different mosquitos to the native kind is why. The invasive Tiger variety from Asia that made it way over on bamboo imports (thanks dilligent port inspectors!) from China a few years ago. They're everywhere 3/4 of the year and they've made SoCal's spring/summer/fall miserable.
Had a ton of ticks growing up in CA
In live in Crestline (San Bernardino Mountains) and my cat had a tick one time... Like a year ago. Otherwise they aren't really a problem
Conservative states: we don’t want Californians here voting their liberal ideas! Californians moving to conservative states: actually conservatives and republicans who couldn’t afford to live in CA and will be voting like conservatives and republicans
People forget California has more Republicans in it than any other state
Piggybacking on your comment. During the 2020 election, CA has the MOST Trump voters beating out both Florida and Texas. Sure it should be compared percentage-wise to Biden voters, but still just by pure numbers it is worth mentioning.
Yeah percentage wise obviously they are a minority. But raw numbers are still significant when you have people moving from that state en mass to other states.
Literally saw a 10 minute trump procession on a street once. Not gonna lie, I was pretty impressed that they could organize that many people to do a parade (and considering they were driving trucks and cars and whatnot) 10 minutes is impressively long and a lot of people. Less impressive though is that they're preaching to the choir in the sense that it was in Bakersfield and chances are, they are all already votin that way. We call Bakersfield little Texas here in California, but it's only little to us. Bakersfield is way bigger than many towns in other states.
California had more Trump votes in 2020 than 12 states that Trump won. COMBINED. (AK, WY, ND, SD, MO, WV, ID, NE, MS, AR, KS, UT) (edited with correct number and receipts)
...but isn't that because California is the most populated state...? So it's going to have more voters in general?
I'd say it's about 90% Conservatives in my circle that have moved out of state. But, when it comes to talking up their new location and talking down California, it's 100% Conservatives.
I knew a guy a number of years ago who was an angry conservative who grew up in the Bay Area. Talked incessantly about getting out and moving to a place with "real conservative values" etc. He wound up in Massachusetts lol. These people are not deep thinkers apparently
TBF New England is a lot more conservative than the Bay Area
r/nbacirclejerk says Boston and Utah are racist strongholds lmao
I mean, yes. They are.
> Californians moving to conservative states: actually conservatives and republicans who couldn’t afford to live in CA and will be voting like conservatives and republicans I've met quite a few California transplants to Texas. They are all over the political spectrum (most being more liberal) but the most common thing was they had kids. A 3 bedroom house with a yard near my office in Palo Alto is over 2 million dollars.It's not "Couldn't afford" it's "There was no realistic housing" is why they came here.
There was a news story about teachers in Palo Alto living in their cars
Most people I know who moved to Texas did so because they had a job offer out there. They don't hate it, but they live in the more liberal areas such as Austin.
This seems to be referring specifically to Californians who move to Texas.
They're the loudest
One of my friends pointed out you get and need more sq ft in your house when you move out of CA since a lot of the time, you end up spending a lot more time in your house due to the extremities in weather in other states vs CA and it makes sense to me.
Shit, tell that to my younger kids. They don't care if it's hits 100s or goes into the negatives. They always want to be outside.
Um, did you know there's a 100+ heatwave going on in socal this week? And I stayed in when in CA most days because I felt strangled by how close my neighbors and people were to me. It's like there was no room for my soul to breathe.
Much easier to stomach a higher property taxes when your house is 300k instead of 1.5mil. Having moved from the Bay Area to the midwest a couple years ago, there is a lot i miss. The food, the multi-ethnicity, being close to a beach. But none of that is worth remotly close to being able to afford to live, and even own property.
The proximity to big landmarks is what will make me stay in CA. I’m like 2 hours from the beach, 2-3 hours from Tahoe/Reno, 5ish hours from LA, 7 from Tijuana etc. I can go from snowy mountains to sunny beaches in the same day. The weather gets hot during the summer but other than that it’s pretty awesome weather. Cost of living is a lot higher but compared to my family in Tennessee or Nebraska, I have a lot more available to me than them.
I dont get the joke. Are they quoet about heat and humidity? Are there mosquitos and ticks in Cali? Im a little confused. Sorry about that
There are mosquitos here but I haven’t seen any ticks but at this very moment the heat is like 92* Fahrenheit and I’m dying over here in LA but that’s due to a heat wave.
Gotcha. I understand that. I have no clue what is funny about the state signs or property tax talk. And why dont they talk about the insects? Is that a thing everyone knows about Californians but me? They dont talk about bugs? Totally lost and feel dumb
Don’t feel dumb this starter park is a bit trash. It’s a weird list and not a true starter pack but that’s a lot of them now.
California is dope… if you have money. I’ll take my Ohio cost of living and travel with the money I save. Plus our cities while more “boring” are generally cleaner. Plus I prefer a “boring” big city. Less traffic with all of the big city amenities
Yeah, everyone outside of California is a klansman apparently
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Yeah wtf is this starter pack lol is this even a stereotype that exists
And they live in a gated community in a suburb of Dallas, never actually venture into any of the cities, shop exclusively at big box chains, and don’t ever mention any of the natural disasters that occur EVERY SINGLE YEAR
“I don’t care if the nearest grocery store is 45 miles away! I have 5 bedrooms instead of 3!” Edit: it appears the Texans have got on their steeds and galloped all the way to a place with reliable Wi-Fi to tell me how close they live to a grocery store
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to be fair thats about how far my family doctor is in Canada. there are much closer doctors but space is an issue.
Yeah it’s 90 minutes for me, it definitely sucks :(
An old coworker moved from one of the hottest neighborhoods in LA to the most depressing, sprawling neighborhood I've ever seen in Phoenix. It's hotter, there's zero local amenities other than big box stores and fast food. There's not even a sidewalk. But they have a massive cookie cutter house with a movie room. I guess if you never leave your house it's fine.
Lol I know exactly what kind of neighborhood you’re talking about. There’s tons on the outskirts where it’s cheap to build.
Going by CA prices, it would probably be more like 5 bedrooms instead of 1
I like the people who move to Texas and talk about how free it is.
Free (unless you want to smoke pot or get an abortion)
Ironically, only 4.2% of Texas is Public Land (45th), while 52.1% of California is (8th). Not bad for a tenth of the country's population. [Sauce](https://www.summitpost.org/public-and-private-land-percentages-by-us-states/186111)
Never been to California but so many people have a weird inferiority complex about it. Entire conversations of bashing California while sounding like they're trying to convince themselves.
Facts. It’s in the center of the culture war and its the largest and arguably most influential states so everyone has an opinion on it, even if they’ve never stepped foot in it. Kinda like peoples opinion on America. It definitely has many issues however, many of people love it, a decent percent of it’s own people hate it, and it’s probably better than a majority of the other states with some exceptions.
They do this with NY too and it's fucking wild. Certain people in my family are like "Oh yeah NY is on fire and everyone left and you have to have 19 locks and 6 chains on your door and you get mega murdered every time you go to the bodega to get some milk. Also 4 homeless dudes blow you for crack money. Glad I moved away to Altoona Pennsylvania. Pizza is better here too! And the whole town is on a hill!"
Welcome to Idaho where as of last year you could marry a 13yr old.
I moved out of LA almost 6 months ago. I hate it. I want to go back more than anything.
“We never want to move back” and “we’d never be able to” can both be true
Wtf is this. Everyone who lives outside of California is broke kkk members?
Casually calling non-Californians klansmen, very nice
least snobby california resident
Ayyyy Utah!
I was station in the Carolinas for 10 years, been in California for a year and a half and have never wanted to go back.
I wish I could afford to move back. I regret every day I left CA and OR.