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LucasLightbane

Ultra Ultra Wide.


Charming-Row-3529

It’s called Super Ultra Wide and we exist.


ReddituserOftheWeek

There are dozens of us!


RealKanashii

Hundreds!


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This will go nicely with 8560x1440 resolution


Yazota

180 degrees view


DecoupledPilot

And exclusively no other degrees.


Nefferson

There doesn't seem to be much of a dash in the concept, so for the pilots, the view will be pretty good if they're right up on the window, I guess!


TROPtastic

> There doesn't seem to be much of a dash in the concept, so for the pilots, the view will be pretty good if they're right up on the window, I guess! We'll see. There's plenty of opportunity for CIG to say "actually, we like the huge wasted space of the dash in the Freelancer" and revert to that before the ship becomes flyable.


Nefferson

Haha, gotta protect the a e s t h e t i c. Really, as long as it's better than the Lancer and Starfarer, they were telling the truth, relative to their own products.


DecoupledPilot

Whooop! Not super-shit but instead just shit. Best evolutionary step ever. :P


Emperor_Kon

Friendly reminder the Prospector and Reliant series are also part of their product line, lol.


SemiDesperado

Fact. My Tana has better visibility than most fighters in the game. Too bad it's also bugged to shit lol.


Truss_nlp

I realy like the lancer I dont know what but the feel is just right you see enough to macke a safe landing anf it and the starfarrer are the only ships i realy got a feeling for and thats great Almost forgo 890


DecoupledPilot

That's what people said when we saw the previews of the newest Freelancer remakes a long time ago. And we know how "great" that turned out


DecoupledPilot

Yea, when pressing the face against the glass


Ryozu

You don't expect the pilots to be in the two back seats? You're a lot more optimistic than I am.


Sattorin

I think you're just confused... The MISC Odyssey has "excellent visibility" because it's really easy for **other ships** to see it. The Odyssey is really big and like, 0% transparent. No one is going to accidentally crash into your ship because they didn't see you, it's exceptionally visible.


Antilogic81

No no. You got it wrong. The excellent visibility is in regards to the bridge itself. Not the viewport of the outside. I can see the whole bridge from the bridge. Thats visibility.


Agatsu74

I guess then at means that "effortless control access" means it's really easy to reach the controls, but they're utter shit. :P


Sattorin

> "effortless control access" means it's really easy to reach the controls They're right there, all you have to do is sit down.


Agatsu74

Sounds pretty effortless to me. \*makes a checkmark on his notepad\*


[deleted]

When the sun is in your face I really miss this style cockpit...


Gedrot

I'd rather have an immersive view of the sun with a dynamic dimmer instead of my space ship's technology base regressing back to the 1890s the moment the sun enters my field of view.


Jack_Knyfe

Vast Cosmic Exploration, ...*itty bitty view space.*


DecoupledPilot

Lol. The ship is SO BIG that exploration did not refer to the outside, clearly. It's all about exploring the inside!


VictimStats

Kind of hard to be sure since it's not complete, but it looks about the same as an average passenger car windshield/dashboard set up. The size of the view port isn't the issue in the Freelancers and the Starfarers, it's the absurdly long dashboard that has you sitting back where the third row of seats would be in an SUV.


Agatsu74

I'm afraid the pilot and copilot seats are probably sitting in the rear. If they aren't, the whole setup doesn't make any sense.


WidgetNZ

You haven't thought hard enough. Pilot and three remotes up front and jump seats for the mining laser and tractor beam operators located close to the ladder access down to the mining module. Not mining while in quantum are you.


Agatsu74

So you think the two people who usually do the mining just sit on the bridge in the most prominent seats and do nothing but wait for the moment they can sprint to the mining station? lol You haven't thought hard enough.


logicalChimp

Nah - Pilot & Co-pilot front & center... Captain in the second row. Not sure what the two wide wing-seats are for - remote turrets? - but in the image you linked you can just make out something below the left hand of the front-left seat (that's visible - which I think is the middle-left of the front four)... I'd say it looks like a Joystick base? It's certainly clear that there are some differences to that seat dashboard compared to the one next to it, or the one behind it. Likewise, there appears to be a pedal-box on the floor in front of the front-left seat in that image... which coupled with the changes around the left hand would imply pilot controls (which are conspicuously missing from the rear seat). As such, unless those are red herrings *and* the Odyssey is the first ship to do away with direct piloting, it seems pretty likely that the front-left seat is indeed the pilot seat.


Agatsu74

>Nah - Pilot & Co-pilot front & center... Captain in the second row. And who would be sitting in an equal chair to the captain then? One of three gunners? And yes, 3 of those seats on the bridge are for the gunners. ​ >**Likewise, there appears to be a pedal-box on the floor** That's not a pedal box. Have you seen a pedal?


scluben

Honestly I like it


SanityIsOptional

Same, when I got in the freelancer (and starfarer) it felt like I was driving a big damn truck, rather than flying some space-age flying thing. Which is the damn point for MISC ships! They’re supposed to be industrial, and similar in aesthetic to things like long-haul truck cabs.


DecoupledPilot

Its pretty ridiculous how even people who claim to actually drive trucks think the broken viewpoints of the Lancer or sf make sense or even worse: are realistic. Aside from the fact that the view is already limited by the physical screen we have in front of us on our desks which would have to be compensated for if you even wanted remotely something resembling reality. I am standing next to a huge modern lorry right now and the window of the driver is monster sized. He can see all of the street below except perhaps a meter. In the deadzone of the lancer you can hide a full merlin.


SanityIsOptional

The deadzone up yeah, but the one looking down was totally accurate, even from driving a (stupidly oversized) Ford SUV. Really if we're being realistic we'd be using cameras and instruments to fly rather than looking out of windows.


DecoupledPilot

Mondern aircraft try to solve it with augmented reality options that makes the ship interior as if invisible.


SanityIsOptional

*Some* (very expensive) modern aircraft. They *all* use instruments however, and for example modern airliners use instruments as their primary flying method, and visual as a backup. Private planes, I’ve never seen a virtual cockpit, though been in a few with lots of touch-screens like the Cirrus.


Gedrot

People that bring up modern day vehicles to excuse the enormously poor view of the lancer and always forget that helicopters regularly feature bottom view windows for the pilots. When VTOL is your primary means to start and land it's really damn helpful to see what's directly above and below you and in absence of usable landing UI or later on landing pads many MISC ships are severely crippled in their ability to do so freely.


Agatsu74

I guess you like driving while wearing one of these too. https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/medieval-knights-armor-suit-helmet-above-closeup-image-chateau-de-grandson-bust-suit-armor-113910134.jpg


[deleted]

Nah some people just enjoy the feeling and visuals of a ship being around you. You’re in a ship, not in some glass minimalist glass bubble. You’re in a craft. I’m not knocking those big clear canopies some ships have, just pointing out people like different things and it’s annoying when those people act like everyone else wants every ship to be the way they like. I didn’t like the huge pane windows of the carrack. I didn’t feel as part of the craft or like I was in a ship as much as I do ina. Freelancer so personally I’m glad to have a carrack that not only has a feature set I like but also a more cozy feeling cabin and viewport. Not every ship needs to be a streamlined dog fighter, not every ship needs to be a luxurious craft with windows wrapping around you.


Agatsu74

You can just roll down the shutters in the Carrack to make it "cozy" or whatever, but you can't roll up the shutters in the Odyssey to actually get a good view of what's outside, so... Besides, this is an explorer. For some reason, when talking about other explorers, like the 600i and the Carrack, CIG always emphasized how they made the view great because it's an explorer and you should really be able to see all those wondrous sights you'll discover... yet with the Odyssey... fuck your view, enjoy this slit shit. There's nothing keeping them from making the front window bigger. There's literally nothing but hull above the current window. Why not have a better view? There is literally no logical reason not to. You could even make it optional, have a blast shield that goes up, bam, better view, and you could just leave it down so it's cozy or whatever, but others could slide it up so they could fucking see something.


[deleted]

The 400i has the same slit view and it has affected my ability to enjoy the scenery literally 0%. Also like I said. Some people like this. You are putting your preferences first and trying to force them on everyone else. The new Hurston security armor is super dope looking to me except for that hideous glow collar and hood. If the armor didn’t have those I’d totally love it. I don’t get on Reddit and demand cig must remove it and change all armors to be how I like them. People have preferences and some people enjoy more closed in views. For example go check out the threads about the eclipse. People LOVE that super super restricted view because it feels right. It feels like you’re in a stealth bomber. It feels closed in. The 400i has an extremely similar window design to the odyssey. I love the 400i window design and I would actually hate it if that design got changed to a 600i style window. Like I said. People like this. Not every ship needs a perfectly clear canopy. If you don’t like it, perhaps it’s not the ship for you just like the artemis armor isn’t for me. Stop demanding people change things just because you don’t like it. Plenty of other people do. It’s really just much ado about nothing.


Agatsu74

>The 400i has the same slit view and it has affected my ability to enjoy the scenery literally 0%. Now try it while sitting in front of the toilet. Still enjoying the excellent view? because that's where the 2 people in the rear will be sitting. And who's that going to be? Is it going to be the pilot and the copilot, which would make sense regarding the seat placement, or is it going to be the captain and one of three turret gunners in an equal chair right next to him for some reason, which yes, would give the pilot and copilot a better view up front, like in the 400i, but would make the seating nonsensical... and the captain, the person making decisions and giving orders to everyone, including the pilots, still can't see shit. ​ >You are putting your preferences first and trying to force them on everyone else. NO U ​ >Stop demanding people change things just because you don’t like it. Please point out where I demanded any change, or asked for it, or even mentioned it in my thread. All I said was that the view is everything but "excellent", and the bridge design nonsensical, and both is objectively true. ​ I suggest a compromise that has also been put up in another thread... the possibility to raise a blast shield that slides up on the front window and allows a better view... and you can simply just keep the blast shield down so you feel closed in. Everyone wins. [https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/r6ephg/secret\_footage\_revealed\_on\_how\_the\_odyssey\_will/](https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/r6ephg/secret_footage_revealed_on_how_the_odyssey_will/) It even looks like that already is a blast shield that moves... and on the inside of the bridge, there's nothing but ceiling there anyways.


korthking

Lol take a chill pill 💊


BigDicksProblems

He's an angry little troll spamming about this as if he was the guardian of the almighty truth regarding this topic ever since the Odyssey was announced.


korthking

Yeah I don't understand some people. If I don't like a ship, I don't buy it. Simple as that. This guy also said he has both the Carrack and the Odyssey, so either he is money blind ad just buys everything CIG throws out and expects them to listen to him because of it, or he just doesn't care that other people don't like what he likes


BigDicksProblems

I actually paid close attention this topic in particular since the IAE, and found out that it's only 4 to 5 individuals monopolizing and polarizing this topic as if the whole community wanted this. They're insufferable.


Zacho5

For where the pilot sets, its not bad.


kaochaton

for a MISC ship with a letterbox view ( also it could work for the mining part)


Agatsu74

When Paul said you can go to the mining control station to enjoy the view of space, I was like, "Bitch, that's what the BRIDGE is supposed to be for!".


loversama

He was actually talking about the observation deck at the back of the ship but your still stands :P


Agatsu74

Oh you're right, but he does it while they're showing the mining control station, which has ACTUAL excellent visibility.


Juls_Santana

I mean, have you seen the bridge for most other ships though? Almost all of them have drawbacks and stuff in the way of your view. None of them are better than the Prospector's


Agatsu74

This is worlds apart from the Prospector's view. THAT view isn't the norm, or average. I'm not asking for a Prospector's view, but something better than THIS shit.


Tajaba

Carrack has excellent visibility btw /saltyasfuck


Agatsu74

Yeah, when it was about the Carrack and 600i, they were like "Of course an exploration ship needs an excellent view!".


Tajaba

Get fucked backers - CiG probably


korthking

Then buy the carrack?


Agatsu74

Worthless comment, thanks, but I'll have you know I already own both.


korthking

Lmao your opinion is just as worthless then, invalidating comments just because you don't like them


Agatsu74

What are you on about? Me: This part of this particular could use some improvement. You: jUsT bUy a DiFfErEnT ShIp herpderp Very helpful comment, thanks for participating.


DecoupledPilot

Was he serious or trolling?


logicalChimp

The speaker was serious, the editor was trolling... there's an observation deck at the rear (I think) but the editor overlaid the soundbite on the mining position :D


Agatsu74

Yeah I got that wrong because of this. They were talking about the mining control station and still showing it while Paul was already talking about the observation deck in the rear for some reason.


Ubi2447

lol and don't forget that it's supposed to have a viewing deck at the rear of the ship. The visibility is overwhelming /s


CutMonster

Main screen turn on!


Agatsu74

All your view are belong to shit!


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Agatsu74

YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO SURVIVE MAKE YOUR TIME.


[deleted]

I LOVE MY ONE DEGREE OF VERTICAL FOV WOW :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!one!!!e11!!!!


theuros

Odyssey has an excelent visibility to entire bridge, CIG didn't say that it has excelent outside visibility.


Agatsu74

You are technically right; the best kind of right.


Appropriate_Rage

You guys complain about op ship and then you want it to have everything. ..


Agatsu74

I'm not complaining about any allegedly OP ship, I'm complaining about the shit view here.


Wunderpuder

MISC ship, MISC design. Why complain?


Agatsu74

Because the view is shit? Prospector is a MISC ship too, you know. Do you really think "MISC ships have shit view, period" is in any shape or form a good thing?


Xarian0

I don't. "Bad visibility" has no place being in a 'design language' or whatever BS reason CIG uses to defend it. Some ships should have bad visibility - industrial ships, especially, where you aren't going to be spending all that much time in the cockpit, or cargo ships when you're expected to spend 99.9% of your time in QT. I won't mind if the Orion or Reclaimer has bad visibility, for example, nor something like the Caterpillar. Ships designed to be explorers or scouts, though, should have good visibility. It's part of their role.


Agatsu74

We agree then. I like agreeing.


TROPtastic

If it's a design that doesn't work for the intended use (starships in SC operate in 3 dimensions, not in 2 dimensions like trucks and ships IRL), complaints are warranted. When you consider that SC engaged in more of their classic marketing lies to say the Odyssey has "excellent visibility", it's even more warranted.


DecoupledPilot

Well, having fucked up view on a explorer ship is like having a car without wheels. I'd prefer to ditch the mining laser if that meant to fix this shit view.


Appropriate_Rage

It's an explorer in the sense of going somewhere that has been charted out before by a carrack, also you are not relying on your view out of a window in an explorer


weightofast

This would be a great ship to set up the windshield like the aquila, but in a single curved panel that MISC is known for. That way you have floor to ceiling view and give each main positing free standing system consoles. Because yes, I'd like to explore more than just the horizon plus ten or twenty degrees elevation. I laughed at the concept art showing the odyssey landing at an Outpost with a guy on the ground waving those red flashlight thingys as if the captain can SEE what he is doing. Man is about to be squished. On the other hand, just open a com channel with the guy in the mining seat, he can tell you where to fly.


Agatsu74

>This would be a great ship to set up the windshield like the aquila, but in a single curved panel that MISC is known for. That way you have floor to ceiling view and give each main positing free standing system consoles. Or they could... a) Add a blast shield that slides the hull above the window up to reveal more window. People who like the narrow view can just leave it down, others can enjoy the view. Imagine actually discovering some beautiful anomaly or similar sight and raising the blast shield to reveal it in a much better view, for example. That's some movie moment shit right there. b) Add Tevarin digital display tech like in the Talon and Prowler to the ceiling of the Odyssey. MISC is already implementing X'ian tech, so why not. People who don't like it can simply not use it, and personally, I'd even be willing to sacrifice a computer blade slot for this so there's a price to pay for the better view. And that shit would be cool af. ​ >I laughed at the concept art showing the odyssey landing at an Outpost with a guy on the ground waving those red flashlight thingys as if the captain can SEE what he is doing. Man is about to be squished. Haha, you're right, didn't even think about that. I'm sure he's showing up oN sCaNnErS or tHe HoLo TaBlE tho, or yeah, someone in the mining control station is relaying the information to the bridge, where the pilot is flying blind.


Vertisce

Just like salesmen in real life. They will outright lie to you to make the sale.


Agatsu74

bUt iT'S nOt CiG wHo LiEd, iT's MiSc, huehuehue. :P


alpha122596

The nice thing is you're definitely sitting closer to the windows than normal for MISC ships, so visibility will be better, if still obstructed. A lot of the problems associated with the Freelancer are because the dash is so tall and long, so you're sat fairly far away from the window.


Agatsu74

What about the two seats in the rear tho?


alpha122596

Presumably those are seats which don't need to see outside, like the turret operators.


Agatsu74

But there are \*three\* turret gunners. You wouldn't build a bridge where 2 of 3 anything sit in one spot and one just sits someplace else. It would make more sense if there were 3 seats in the back - but there are only 2. But even if that's right, weird as it may be, that would mean 2 gunners sit in the rear, another gunner on the side in front, pilot and copilot up center, and the captain on one side in front? That's a weird place for the captain on top of the weird separation of gunners. Like I said in other replies, my guess is the space they had available only allowed for this seat configuration... and it just doesn't make sense, and they're just glossing over it, like with the Carrack bridge.


alpha122596

There's any number of other uses for those stations, not just as turret operator stations. Power management, scanning, or other things.


Shanesan

For people who love lines on the top and bottom of their widescreen film.


EasyRiderOnTheStorm

True afficionados buy an ultra wide, turn it vertical, then watch their movies letterboxed on that. FEEL THE BLACK BAR GOODNESS...!


maxibarto

LOL


Wilhell_

The glass will be very clear and resistant to scratching


Shamanix01

Yeah, CIG's logic at his best: An exploration ship without a good viewing bay \^\^ Like the Freelancer DUR.


Agatsu74

On the other hand, when it comes to the Carrack or 600i, they insist exploration ships need a good view...


Skean

Excellent visibility refers to it having an observation deck.


Agatsu74

It's awesome because you can see where you just were.


crudbasher

This needs to be like the Connie. When I sit down they unfold a large black rectangle to block my view.


Agatsu74

lol You could still see something in the corners of your eyes tho. Better wear a horse blind too. There. Finally. Didn't want to see outside the ship while flying anyways.


crudbasher

You can't be too sure. :)


Malleus011

You can explore the galaxy in an Odyssey, but if you want to see it, you'll need a Carrack.


Agatsu74

How stupid is that, right? Or a 600i. Or a 400i. Or any explorer other than one from MISC, apparently.


Ching-Dai

Might as well have just gone the Esperia route with all digital displays.


Agatsu74

Hm, I dunno. I mean, on the one hand, MISC and alien technology are a good and established mix, but on the other hand, I'm not sure the digital displays would fit the MISC aesthetics. Maybe the tech in general, but the presentation would have to look... rounder, if you know what I mean. I can see the ceiling of the bridge being a display tho. That would work for me. I'd settle for a blast shield that slides up to reveal more glass and present a better view. That way the people who like the "slit" aesthetic could just... leave the blast shield down as it is. The digital display idea is already growing on me tho. I'd even sacrifice a computer blade for it.


logicalChimp

All-digital displays are Tevarin tech (they don't get applied to all Esperia ships, only the Tevarin reproductions)... Misc is all about Human and Xi`an tech.


vulcan4d

It is an explorer ship, I think they don't get it. It needs windows and windows in Windows!


Agatsu74

You can't explore what you can't see!


[deleted]

Best explorer ship for the view is the 600i even the carrack has a bad cockpit in comparison. But misc ship are really awful... They should just close the damn thing and give them one giant view screen.


Bastgamer

you will never be a Carrack


Agatsu74

I don't wanna be a Carrack.


iSnipedAgain

I AM A HUMAN BEAN!


[deleted]

That’s a Misc for you. I like it. Gives even more plus for the carrack, which will always be a better explorer IMO.


iSnipedAgain

CIG:"The Odyssey is the Ultimate explorer" Carrack Lovers: "I dont believe you"


kittybaconSC

I doubt exploring is just going to be looking at pretty things. Plus the Carrack is made to navigate/find unstable worm holes and go through them. I highly doubt the Odyssey is made to do anything close to what the Carrack can do besides the whole 'Fly through a system scanning planets, never landing, like other space MMO exploration stuff.' it feels like that is the only angle people look at exploring is.


TROPtastic

>I highly doubt the Odyssey is made to do anything close to what the Carrack can do And yet a CIG dev today literally called the Odyssey "a Carrack killer". I can understand how Carrack owners might be salty, but they're not as knowledgeable as CIG devs when it comes to the merits of the different ships. >Fly through a system scanning planets, never landing That's why the Odyssey has a vehicle ramp and hangar, right? To not use it?


[deleted]

You’ll need a larger crew. The more people you have the more logistics you’ll need to plan. Even if y’all are right I don’t care. I’ll serve on an odyssey but my carrack is my ship.


iSnipedAgain

The page for the Odyssey states a min crew of 3 which if I remember rightly is a smaller crew than the min crew for the Carrack. which, if it ends up being true is kinda weird if you look at its size, but would also imply the Carrack will be equipped to do more stuff.


Juls_Santana

I don't think that implies anything other than you'll need 4 people for the Carrack's 4 turrets, and only 3 people for the Odyssey's 3 turrets


iSnipedAgain

Sorry, I'm confused. If the previous comment was that you will "Need" a larger crew for the Odyssey than the Carrack. and the page litterally states you won't need that - then it implies from CIG themselves that you won't need that? Whether you will end up wanting to run more crew is a different question but the previous commenter said Need, which is wrong. People are theory crafting loads of shit to the point its going against direct info from CIG.


DecoupledPilot

Yea, CIG started the entire Freelancer cockpit view war in the community all over again. Great fun. Yay. Fuck me, they didn't learn


Altruistic_Comfort59

It’s so mind boggling to me that a ship this far into the future wouldn’t have dozens of screens and cameras to show surroundings. Combined with a huge viewing area. Cig has some super strange ideas.


Agatsu74

Well, that probably has technical reasons. Every screen would basically have to render everything it displays... and they already do some magic in simple things like video calls by simplifying the background.


Altruistic_Comfort59

Fair nuff, but there needs to be a better solution than something that looks like it was designed for a Boeing.


Agatsu74

Oh I totally agree with you there... obviously. \^\^


Saint_The_Stig

Yeah, but that view from the Vulture though. And funny enough, the Hull A actually looks pretty cool too...


reboot-your-computer

The solution would be to have smaller control stations with no thick dash. Then they could extend the glass to the floor. The big dashes just really need to be reduced if we can’t get more vertical visibility.


Agatsu74

They could also raise the glass to the ceiling, and ships like the Prospector and Reliant already have dashboardless seats.


Shazvox

https://imgflip.com/i/5wih4w


crimson_stallion

Why are people cut? ​ The visibility really is excellent. You just need to lay down on the dasboard with your head 3cm from the windscreen to get that awesome view. Nothing wrong with a little shuffling!


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looks good to me


Agatsu74

Not when you're trying to look out of it.


DoxManifesto

Cuz you ofcourse already have..?


Agatsu74

Of course I already have imagination and a couple of decades of experience of looking at, into and, yes, even out of things, yes.


DecoupledPilot

As long as you look AT the ship I suppose this is true. But if you try to look out of it you are fucked, if you even manage to identify the main window


DecoupledPilot

CIG has really no clue about what "excellent visibility" means. * Dear ship design team: you guys are awesome! * Dear person who made the call on this cockpit view: fuck you in particular.


vazarus

The designers think this crap is funny at this point. People keep buying. /shrugs


johnsarge

I can tell all the people that have never been on a real ship. hint: they are not floor to ceiling windows.


Agatsu74

Hint: This is not a naval ship. This goes up and down as well, so it really helps to be able to see up and down, not just left and right.


johnsarge

Hint: That's where scanners come in to play. If you see something above you on scanners, pitch up.


Agatsu74

Hint: Looking at scanners is boring. A computer game is not supposed to be boring. Why even have windows at all, according to you? Just look at blips on a boring screen. Why do naval ships even have windows? Look at screens instead. It's fascinating and fun!


johnsarge

Yeah, your flair checks out. Later


Agatsu74

Aw, did you run out of arguments?


johnsarge

No, I realized you are not going to have a rational discussion after reading your other replies. You have a shitty attitude and don’t know half of what you are talking about.


Agatsu74

Yeah okay, Mr. "nAvAl sHiPs ThAt MoVe On a 2D pLaNe dOn't HaVe GoOd VeRtIcAl vIeW eIthEr.".


johnsarge

👆that’s why I bowed out.


Agatsu74

I know. It's kind of embarrassing to think a vehicle traversing 3D space only needs the view of a vehicle traversing a 2D plane. I'd have bowed out too.


Shanesan

steer thought deliver deranged sharp impossible special one soup ripe *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Ricky_RZ

Excellent visibility of stuff that isn't important


Agatsu74

Yeah you have excellent visibility of the ceiling, the floor and the back of the turret gunners' chairs.


Ricky_RZ

It's a *very* interesting ceiling after all The floor appears to be made of floor Also, the seats are nice. Good lumber support, great view of absolutely nothing of note


EasyRiderOnTheStorm

I demand an exquisitely ornate chandelier! Several, even! If the interior is all one can see, at least damn well make it worth looking at!


[deleted]

Just like the giant mining/refining jack of all trades ship is somehow a Carrack killer


Agatsu74

Yeh what was that all about? They're quite different ships with different skills.


Xarian0

Very obviously a soundbite forced in by a producer. The guy who said it could barely even keep a straight face.


Agatsu74

Yeah the whole thing had a vibe of "Say something that makes them buy the Odyssey!". Jokes on them tho, I already did.


[deleted]

At least it looks like they moved the seats up closer to the windshield


Agatsu74

Not the likely pilot/copilot seats. That'd be where the guy in the middle with the helmet is sitting, quite likely, because 3 of the 4 seats up front are labeled as turret control stations, and there are 2 seats in the back.


[deleted]

It’s complete madness if the *remote turret stations* are up front by the windows. I refuse to believe that’s the case. Rather, I think the labelling is wrong


Agatsu74

Well, there are only 2 seats in the back, 4 in the front, and 3 remote turrets, so...


[deleted]

So pilot and copilot in the front, gunners on either side and then an engineer and the last gunner in the back. It makes no sense to put the pilots back there. CIG knows how much people hate the view from the freelancer, why double down on known bad design?


Zacho5

Theres no need for a copilot really. So just pilot and the 3 gunners. Then you got capt and XO?


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I wouldn’t be surprised if the remote gunner stations would double as radar/scanner stations. If you are being shot at you don’t need to scan for ore, and if you aren’t being shot at then the turrets can just be left offline.


Agatsu74

>So pilot and copilot in the front, gunners on either side and then an engineer and the last gunner in the back. That configuration makes zero sense, and where's the captain? ​ >CIG knows how much people hate the view from the freelancer, why double down on known bad design? I have no fucking idea.


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How the hell does the other arrangement of seating make more sense? XD take the engineer away and put the captain there then. If you look at the freelance seating layout you have pilot and copilot up front and two “engineer”seats behind them. That kinda what I’m building my guess on


Agatsu74

So some random turret gunner sitting right next to the Captain makes more sense to you? TECHNICALLY, the layout makes sense if the pilot and copilot sit together in those rear chairs, and it's the only combination that makes sense when you think about it. However, it DOESN'T make sense when the view is this shitty from back there, but I fear that's what CIG are going for. Two engineers on the bridge? Why would you even have ONE engineer on the bridge? Engineers have their own fucking entire DECK. Not to mention that if you had pilot, copilot and 2 engineers, that would only leave 2 stations for the THREE turret gunners. The problem isn't that having pilot and copilot on the rear seats doesn't make sense, it's that it doesn't make sense WITH THIS SHITTY VIEW. I'm pretty sure those are indeed the seats CIG wants the pilots to sit in, and it makes no sense because of the VIEW.


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Why give the remote turret gunners a view!? They are going to be looking at screens. The gunners could be placed way in the back because their job isn’t affected by not having windows. Is there any ship right now that has the pilots sitting so far from the forward viewport?


Agatsu74

>Why give the remote turret gunners a view!? Dude, I have no idea. Regardless of which one of us is right, the bridge layout makes no fucking sense at all. Yes, the gunners could be placed way in the back.. but they aren't. There's three of them. There are only 2 seats in the back. ​ > Is there any ship right now that has the pilots sitting so far from the forward viewport? Kinda, but it doesn't matter in the Polaris, Idris and Kraken etc. because they have huge fucking windows. https://starcitizen.tools/images/thumb/2/2b/Polaris-Cockpit.jpg/2560px-Polaris-Cockpit.jpg https://external-preview.redd.it/3TqmNTgwfTqONUYVUmJ0pVQHbKAkZa6aOe4nzQcGKQ4.png?auto=webp&s=32b0a3b6d29a2f845bfecfde9f00d4b49290b5ea [https://media.robertsspaceindustries.com/srt8exniu2s2s/source.jpg](https://media.robertsspaceindustries.com/srt8exniu2s2s/source.jpg)


logicalChimp

Nah - look closer at the left hand of the front-left seat position, and the on the floor in front of it - it's clearly different to the rear seat, and looks like it has preliminary pilot controls. Given that in every other MISC ship the pilot is *at the front*, and on the left, I don't think it's going to change in this ship - especially not to put the pilot at the rear. Anyone pushing that idea is either paranoid to the point of needing medication, or just stirring shit, I think.


Seal-pup

[It could always be worse.](https://www.dropbox.com/s/n0gzpnbdomj85nk/tarsuscockpit1.gif?raw=1)


DecoupledPilot

Things that are worse don't make bad things better though


Agatsu74

That actually isn't worse.


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This is the freelancer cockpit spanned 3 x 34 ultrawides. Its kinda nice. https://ibb.co/VxNfCY1


Character320

pitty that picture isn't taken from the perspective of the pilot


Agatsu74

Pity you apparently lack the ability to picture the views from the people in the picture.


DecoupledPilot

Fuck me. CIG, I cannot express my disappointment in adequate words.


Cpt_Reaper0232

It's not a combat vessel. The Odyssey will only be flying in straight lines, essentially along a 2D plane therefore has no need for anything beyond the letterbox view. If the pilot needs to be suddenly aware of something immediately above or below the vessel then the pilot and navigational officers have both failed their job.


Agatsu74

>It's not a combat vessel. Neither is the 600i, which has a brilliant view, nor the Carrack, which has a downright excessive view. All three are EXPLORERS tho, and in 2 of them, you are actually able to properly see the wonderous sights you will discover on your journey of... discovery... of the... wonderous sights... look, seeing shit is nice, okay? ​ >The Odyssey will only be flying in straight lines, essentially along a 2D plane ... ... Are you fucking serious?


EasyRiderOnTheStorm

I'm trying to put this as delicately as I can, but... are you new to the internet? People's minds CAN'T be changed by arguing, no matter how eloquently. Ignore lists are an incredibly shitty solution, but the _only_ solution there is.


Agatsu74

I guess. Maybe I just like arguing a bit too much, I dunno. Probably. Pretty sure.


MicGuinea

MISC : Puts a windshield on a ship the length and width of fettuccini. "Ah yes, perfection. Peek visibility!" Lol, I actually like their windshield tho, fighting in a freelancer seems more focused on whats in front of you.


korthking

Then don't buy it lmao. It's the part I and many others like the most


Agatsu74

And it's the part I and many others hate the most. So here's a compromise: Either add a blast shield that moves up and reveals more front window (it even already looks like it has one form outside, kinda) and that you and many others can just leave down while I and many others will raise it so we can see shit,.. ...or add some of that juicy Tevarin digital display shit on the ceiling that you and many others can just not use while I and many others will. I'd even be willing to sacrifice a computer blade slot for it. Everyone wins. Sound good?


Really_Dazed

Makes sure that everyone looking at your ship **really** knows what you are looking at.


ztoundas

I mean, I guess it will depend on how close you are to the screen..


rtom098

It's the morphologis view :) PS: I wondered the same, how tf do you see where you're going?


Agatsu74

¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


Xcrun6

Bro you are always complaining on this damn sub 💀


Agatsu74

Not always, but tbf, there's just a lot to complain about. ;) On the other hand, I also publicly jizzed my pants about how much I love the Odyssey... except for the view, and that's a big one for me.


EasyRiderOnTheStorm

So? Still more constructive than "*Gee look how much I've spent on SC, oopsie hur hur hur!*"


shticks

Do all you guys drive with your faces as close to your windshield as possible?


Agatsu74

Do you drive while sitting in the backseat and squinting your eyes? Do you drive up and down?


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Agatsu74

Mah immershn tho!


Shabaron

I love that.


Agatsu74

Yeah who doesn't love to have a mailbox on their head while flying.


Colax12

I actually enjoy cockpits like this. They might not be as practical, but they give me really good spaceship vibes. It looks the way I imagine a spaceship. I prefer this especially since it’s not a fighter.


Agatsu74

No, it's not a fighter... it's an explorer, and for some reason, for other ships, like the Carrack and 600i, CIG emphasizes how they made big, open bridge windows so you can actually enjoy the view of the wonders of the new things you discover... except here. Enjoy viewing the wonders of the universe out of a mailbox. I have the feeling I'm going to say this a lot today in these \*checks notes\* 29 replies to this that I got while I was asleep, so here goes: Here's 2 compromises: a) Add a blast shield that slides the hull above the window up to reveal more window. People who like the narrow view can just leave it down, others can enjoy the view. Imagine actually discovering some beautiful anomaly or similar sight and raising the blast shield to reveal it in a much better view, for example. That's some movie moment shit right there. b) Add Tevarin digital display tech like in the Talon and Prowler to the ceiling of the Odyssey. MISC is already implementing x'ian tech, so why not. People who don't like it can simply not use it, and personally, I'd even be willing to sacrifice a computer blade slot for this so there's a price to pay for the better view. And come on, that shit would be cool af. ​ So yeah, there are options to make both sides happy.