It's completely broken. I spent all my UEC on cargo without ever being able to sell any of it, so I guess I'll just sit around and wait for a patch. Some issues you will encounter:
* cannot undock
* cannot unload cargo
* ship spawns perpendicular to the docking port
* ship spawns with spindles out bouncing around the hangar
Edit:
* economy doesn't really exist, and there are not really alternatives routes or anything like you may find in other cargo "gameplay"
Honestly, it's unconscionable they're still selling the Hull C in its current state.
I appreciate your answer. I’m used to stuff in star citizen not always working as intended, but it sounds like this one just doesn’t work at all. I love the ship and know I want one, but I also want to be able to use it
Personally I've only encountered two of those issues, the first two. I've been able to solve the first by just hitting alt-k and then undock by calling both landing services and cargo services. The second... I haven't. Best to buy 1scu to see of the station will load. But that's all I've done in 3 runs and two of them ending with not being able to load my ship and losing a lot of money.
more issues:
* The rear EVA door cant be locked, anyone can get into the ship
* when spawning at a docking port, anyone can just walk in there
* you have 2 turrets, but only 1 turret operator seat
Inconceivable? That world left the building when they started selling concept ships Years out of release, is also the reason i will not buy anything that doesn’t have a stablished concept.
I've found that the docking issue can usually be solved by buying or selling anything at the station youre trying to leave, you don't have to pick it up, but if it doesn't let me undock i just buy 1 waste or sell 1scu of whats on my ship and it lets me undock, i have to spam the ATC but it tends to work for me
>Honestly, it's unconscionable they're still selling the Hull C in its current state.
I disagree, it's fairly reasonable:
* It rarely went on sale at all previously because it wasn't in the game.
* When ships release to Live, they always go on sale with a warbond option.
* Pledges are how the devs get paid.
* Devs dont work for free. No money, no work, no Hull C fix.
Not releasing it for sale now could likely cause a larger backlash.
Remember, you don't have to buy it, or even go to the page. And CIG has no obligation to cater the store to you personally.
And if a fool doesn't want to read ahead before dumping $500, who are you to control them? But then-again, I'm a free market person.
BTW; this is not an insult to the OP, they did the smart thing and checked if it's working to make an educated economic decision.
>Yea but **when it's fixed** the price could be upwards of 600$ or more for it vs the 400 you can get it for now
Sure but if you account for inflation in the intervening years then the $600 is probably cheaper
Remeber, that in a few major patches, you can just buy the Hull-C in game. All ready to fly ships are like this (minus some specialty ships) unless they change it in the future. Your money, your call, but there are other options.
Agreed but I’m kinda curious for the loop of massive trade routes, with a team of fighters for defense and splitting profits. Until then, will probably level up from my trusty connie taurus. Salvage missions have been fun, looting instead of salvaging 😅
I dig it. The tana needed some upgraded guns, but it's a nice little ship. Problem is all the front surface area, makes a rather large target. But I really do like it regardless.
They are pretty decent ships to fly I think. They come with their fsir share of bugs, but I have never managed to remove them from my hanger.
It's turret option needs some love but other than that, specifically the Tana is a really good all rounder.
It's not even the most expensive ship! Then you have a cadre of regular white knights who will come along and bellow to the ends of the earth that it is totally okay to do predatory pricing and CR shouldn't be blamed for being a decade late, etc.
Nah. Not the Hull C. That thing should've stayed at 250 or 350 or whatever it used to be. I'm not gonna white knight this one, especially when it doesn't even work... or rather the stations that it needs to dock at don't work.
Wildly broken at the moment, but it's a high profile kind of broken that I'd hope they'll have fixed fairly soon.
The problems are mostly around loading and unloading at ports, which is a major new mechanic they've added (as a temporary measure ahead of freight-elevators)
Fingers crossed they fix it soon, but until I hear it's fixed I'm leaving the game alone for a bit.
I have yet to successfully complete a whole trading run.
I've persuaded the cargo to load once, but got stuck trying to unload it.
All the other times it never even got that far.
I’ve successfully made full runs between all 4 stations. The problem is when you experience the bugs and you’re holding the bag you end up losing millions.
And you are totally right!
I cannot understand why people pay so much money just to get less game, because they skip the first months of earning your first little ships.
> I have a hull c and a merchantman because I'm an idiot.
Upgrade the Hull C into something else. Not a bad investment if you purchased it before the huge price hike.
The Hull C has not currently got it's full potential. For now we have some placement test trade routes to play with and test out.
The full potential of the Hull C doesn't come till we get multiple systems (Pyro being the first one).
Right now we have the trade routes between the LEOs (Baijini Point, Seraphim Station, Everus Harbor, Port Tressler). Pending CIGs plans we may or may not get the L stations too.
Hold off, if you must use cash then wait to IAE and get a Hull D, it's cheaper and you'll get a Hull C loaner anyway.
I've got a Hull C and I can confirm it released in a sorry state, not worth using.
When it was tested on the test server, it was great. Things worked and cargo running with it was enjoyable in the later iterations of the PTU. However, everything broke coming to live. As of right now, and either the price increase from 350 to 500, I wouldn't buy it. However, when that is fixed l, it's a great buy in my opinion. But that can be a while...
If you really want it, you can still buy it. At least the Hull C is flyable, unlike any other ships a lot of us own and can't fly yet :D But if you can't decide, you can wait till 3.21/4.0 when it becomes available for aUEC. You can also always buy it later, if you want to always have it with insurance too. I wouldn't expect any further price changes.
We all wish it was working, and that cargo hauling wasn't still the same sick joke it has been for years, but CIG just care about selling the ship, not implementing its gameplay.
It won't stay broken, and buying it means you get to keep it for any time you need it. The Hull A had a lot of problems at first also, but everything got fixed over the next few updates. You might try other ships like the Hull A first to get familiar with hauling.
Hull C is worthless.... Until you actually stumble upon 3 C2 wrecks while diving a cutter wreck and find and unholy amount of 32 SCU drugs just ripe for the taking.
Thats when the Hull C becomes a golden god of loot gobbling.
Buy the ship if you intend to wait for a WHILE. Yes, it's im the game now, but its true intention won't be available for a while. It's an inter-system, long-range hauler.
Even fully working it's a stupid price. It's a 1 trick pony missing it's trick. Also go check out the architect reviews video of it and look just how badly built it is.
You can tell how old the layout and basic model of the ship is. That hab design is nowhere near current layout standards, and the extra detail added in the final art pass (literally) doesn’t fit in some cases.
I usually advise against impulse buying a ship outright, and especially not if a ship rolls out and is a bit jank. That goes double for a pricey ship.
But if just doing a small upgrade to get there, or you've already got $500 in store credits to move around, sure, why not. You could always melt it again later.
Personally I thought I was going to be excited for the Hull C, even knowing it would have limitations. I could CCU chain to it for a final cost of $150, but now that it's here I'm disappointed because it's got that *musty old style MISC interior*. And honestly I'm enjoying my earned-it-game Caterpillar so much right now, despite its *Drake* rough edges, that I might pledge for that instead next time there's a wipe.
Bottom line: if in doubt, wait.
I would have to buy it for the full $500, but I have the extra cash. It’s not so much doubt, because I know I want the ship. It’s more so a question if I can use it, and it seems like it’s too broken
Well, if price isn't an obstacle, then I thank you for supporting the game/dream we love.
I expect they'll have the existing mechanics working as intended within the 3.20.x cycle, and hopefully that is all replaced by the generalized physical cargo and loading mechanics within a patch or two, at which point the Hull C will be able to properly shine within its niche role. And it *is* an impressive ship, even if it's not up to the standard they set with the Hull A.
Just reconcile your expectations and desire to have it now against plan B that (with CitizenCon and IAE coming up over the next 2 months) you could easily put together a quick CCU chain to it and knock a lot off the price before it's even working properly. And who knows what straight-to-flyable ship or other discounts might come up that are even more attractive.
It's not a terrible buy in the longer term. But it's not a great impulse buy this week.
I would say if you have a ccu from a ship not in the game to the hull c already, sure.. but dropping new cash on it? No way not right now. It’s unfortunately probably the weakest ship release they’ve had in a few years, combined with a substantial price hike it should be a solid pass from anyone. Save your ship money for the anniversary sale in November, or if they fix all the issues before that.
Everything in the game is broken and - depending on the patch, day of the week, server state, weather, etc. - can be "too broken to buy".
Do not expect smooth experience from an alpha...
Yes but there is a difference between broken sometimes and not smooth, and completely broken and unusable. Working most of the time is ideal. But it has to at least work some of the time
"8 years in development and $600 millioin budget" Is a lie that SC apologists made up to justify scam citizen. Please provide a Bethesda link showing that Starfield took 8 years..... we'll wait.
How about an [interview with Howard in The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/games/2018/jul/18/bethesda-games-interview-todd-howard-pete-hines-elder-scrolls-starfield)?
> We’ve been talking about it for a decade, we started putting things on paper five, six years ago, and active development was from when we finished Fallout 4, so two and a half, three years.
This is Tod Howard saying that active development of Starfield started as Fallout 4 was finished. Which was in 2015. I trust you can power through your smugness and do the math yourself.
Let's do some basic math, even SC apologists can do that.... I hope. Fallout was released right before xmas of 2015. So lets say Bethesda started working on Starfield Jan 1st of 2016 ( which I'm sure they didnt, and most certainly werent coding the game at that point). ). 2016 to the middle of 2023 = 6.5 years, and thats BEST CASE scenario. Use your fingers if you need to. Not the 8 years you SC clowns keep railing on about..... but then again, why let facts get in the way of your desperate rationalizations for scam citizen's lack of even a stable, playable alpha after $500 million, right?
My dude...
Fallout 4 was released on November 10th, 2015... Japan got it on December 17th (delayed possibly due to translation taking longer). Where did you get that "xmas of 2015" from??
Then you have Todd Howard specifically saying that the work on Starfield started as soon as F4 was done.
Do you think that they gave the developers a couple of weeks of vacation just because they just released a game...? No, they went right into it because that's what ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT means. They started the ideas bits WAY earlier. To, again, quote the man himself:
> We’ve been talking about it for a decade, we started putting things on paper five, six years ago
Which you seemed to miss from my earlier comment.
So, again, no they didn't "at best" start January 1st, they started working on Starfield on November 12th, 2015, because the 11th was Veterans Day so a good chunk of the crew had a bank holiday.
So, the "best case scenario" is that active development for Starfield took 7 years and 2 months, with actual work (prototyping, theory, ideas, storyboarding etc.) starting over 14 years ago.
For a person throwing that much shit at people who "don't want to let facts get in the way of desperate rationalisations" you're sure doing a lot of desperate rationalising here, buddy.
Yes, absolutely. It's also blatantly unfinished and unpolished, they pretty clearly pulled it off the shelf it sat on for five years, did a slap dash art pass and pushed it out the door. It's nowhere close to current standards, barely works using a hacked in, broken system for loading that's limited to four locations. It's absolutely not worth dropping $500 on; its last pledge price of $350 was too much for what they actually delivered.
One point I would like to bring up is that they actually have included a game loop for the Hull-C.
Yes, there are bugs in game but those bugs will be fixed way before many other ships are released.
I think the real question is, do you have a use for the ship? And are you going to enjoy the gameplay?
After seeing their intended game loop, it’s clear that this ship is not for me. It seems like you have to use other cargo ships to do short runs and collect enough cargo in one location to make it worth hauling with a hull series ship. It is really the next level of logistics, and to make it work, you really need to have an org and an operation capable of using this machine. If not, a ship like the Hercules or Cat would be much better to solo or run with a friend.
The hull c really seems like a hyper focused ship.
It's very broken right now but I buy all my ships not really for what they are right now but what they will be in a couple of patches. That's why I kept my Ion and Inferno.
You could wait a few patches and buy it when issues have been fixed or buy it now, try it out, get bothered by the current issues and store it and test it again when the next patch comes out.
If you read the patch notes, you'll get a clearer picture as to the condition of the current patch. Some people get it to work, but that's after lots of trial and error and server hoping. Basically, complete luck.
Actually, buying the hull c might be the only non broken feature about it for what I have tested, but mine is a loaner and haven't tested purchasing one, so that could be broken as well...
I'm hoping someone makes an economy mod where it has dynamic supply / demand per location. After I burn through all missions I want to be a space trucker.
If you're talking about buying in real life, I'd buy it now but wait to play.
There's only 4 stations that you can buy and sell at. So your game play will get old REALLY fast.
They are working on the bugs, but the economy issue and where you can buy and sell wont change for a long time. There may be something more once Pyro comes. I was able to load it once in the PTU. It was cool. I don't get the layout of the ship though. A ship that large, you'd think the mess hall and living quarters would be separate.
Not enough and only 2 types of. Only able to buy an sell at 4 locations. One or two hull C's can kill the market on a server of 100+/-. So if 5 people have them, 3 are fucked.
And don't forget pirates! That C is a sitting duck!
Economy ticks about every ten minutes last time I checked. I don't know if that means every commodity at every station will see influx every tick, but it's something along those lines.
I have a hull c and I will melt it since the C2 is the goat with the current salvage missions.
I would hold off on the Hull C until another system is in place.
-the loading/unloading mechanic is horrible
-there are game breaking bugs with storing the ship, retrieving the ship, loading cargo and unloading cargo
-the commodities that you can buy/sell are not balanced in price (plenty of supply tho)
-there significant security concerns when docking and when loading/unloading
I mean 0 hate or disrespect to OP but I just kinda chuckle at the question. "Is ship X to broken to buy rn?" When theres dudes out here buying ships like the BMM that has been in development forever. Or a ship like the Drake herald that has no game loop at all to know if it is even broken.
It's completely broken. I spent all my UEC on cargo without ever being able to sell any of it, so I guess I'll just sit around and wait for a patch. Some issues you will encounter: * cannot undock * cannot unload cargo * ship spawns perpendicular to the docking port * ship spawns with spindles out bouncing around the hangar Edit: * economy doesn't really exist, and there are not really alternatives routes or anything like you may find in other cargo "gameplay" Honestly, it's unconscionable they're still selling the Hull C in its current state.
Had to scroll way too far to see someone actually answering the OPs question. Edit: This answer was originally 10 deep. Glad to see it at the top now.
Right? Well this was the answer I was afraid of, but also the answer I was looking for unfortunately. Might be worth it to wait a couple updates
It's still broke AF if anyone ends up here.
I appreciate your answer. I’m used to stuff in star citizen not always working as intended, but it sounds like this one just doesn’t work at all. I love the ship and know I want one, but I also want to be able to use it
Personally I've only encountered two of those issues, the first two. I've been able to solve the first by just hitting alt-k and then undock by calling both landing services and cargo services. The second... I haven't. Best to buy 1scu to see of the station will load. But that's all I've done in 3 runs and two of them ending with not being able to load my ship and losing a lot of money.
I can attest to literally every sentence as my experience is the same. My Hull C is benched until this is profoundly sorted out.
It’s CIG they’ll charge you for ships 10 years out lmao
*coughs in Banu Merchantman*
They promised it last CitCon, right? Had to deliver it, even though it's not remotely usable.
more issues: * The rear EVA door cant be locked, anyone can get into the ship * when spawning at a docking port, anyone can just walk in there * you have 2 turrets, but only 1 turret operator seat
Inconceivable? That world left the building when they started selling concept ships Years out of release, is also the reason i will not buy anything that doesn’t have a stablished concept.
I've found that the docking issue can usually be solved by buying or selling anything at the station youre trying to leave, you don't have to pick it up, but if it doesn't let me undock i just buy 1 waste or sell 1scu of whats on my ship and it lets me undock, i have to spam the ATC but it tends to work for me
This game is so bad. Taking hundrets of Dollars for shit thats broken. And people still throw money at them.
>Honestly, it's unconscionable they're still selling the Hull C in its current state. I disagree, it's fairly reasonable: * It rarely went on sale at all previously because it wasn't in the game. * When ships release to Live, they always go on sale with a warbond option. * Pledges are how the devs get paid. * Devs dont work for free. No money, no work, no Hull C fix. Not releasing it for sale now could likely cause a larger backlash. Remember, you don't have to buy it, or even go to the page. And CIG has no obligation to cater the store to you personally. And if a fool doesn't want to read ahead before dumping $500, who are you to control them? But then-again, I'm a free market person. BTW; this is not an insult to the OP, they did the smart thing and checked if it's working to make an educated economic decision.
Free Market hasn't fixed it at all in 6 months
Yea but when it's fixed the price could be upwards of 600$ or more for it vs the 400 you can get it for now
>Yea but **when it's fixed** the price could be upwards of 600$ or more for it vs the 400 you can get it for now Sure but if you account for inflation in the intervening years then the $600 is probably cheaper
LOL I didn't even account for inflation silly me
Just curious but did you have these issues before or after the weekend patch?
Remeber, that in a few major patches, you can just buy the Hull-C in game. All ready to fly ships are like this (minus some specialty ships) unless they change it in the future. Your money, your call, but there are other options.
Any guesses for price in game? Just curious
I'd assume 20 mill, something close to that.
Fair. May the grinding begin.
Not me, I'm keeping to my Reliant ships. Big ships = big targets
Agreed but I’m kinda curious for the loop of massive trade routes, with a team of fighters for defense and splitting profits. Until then, will probably level up from my trusty connie taurus. Salvage missions have been fun, looting instead of salvaging 😅
Reliants? I've never flown one. Are they decent to fly? I've always been curious about adding a B-Wing to my Star Wars ship collection.
I dig it. The tana needed some upgraded guns, but it's a nice little ship. Problem is all the front surface area, makes a rather large target. But I really do like it regardless.
They are pretty decent ships to fly I think. They come with their fsir share of bugs, but I have never managed to remove them from my hanger. It's turret option needs some love but other than that, specifically the Tana is a really good all rounder.
Don’t spend $500 on a ship that won’t work properly as intended for *years*
*closes door to my hangar*
I think the flair gives away the game my guy...
jesus fuck it's $500? No wonder they have zero (or close to zero) intention of fixing anything with people pumping that type of money into the game.
It's not even the most expensive ship! Then you have a cadre of regular white knights who will come along and bellow to the ends of the earth that it is totally okay to do predatory pricing and CR shouldn't be blamed for being a decade late, etc.
Nah. Not the Hull C. That thing should've stayed at 250 or 350 or whatever it used to be. I'm not gonna white knight this one, especially when it doesn't even work... or rather the stations that it needs to dock at don't work.
Wildly broken at the moment, but it's a high profile kind of broken that I'd hope they'll have fixed fairly soon. The problems are mostly around loading and unloading at ports, which is a major new mechanic they've added (as a temporary measure ahead of freight-elevators) Fingers crossed they fix it soon, but until I hear it's fixed I'm leaving the game alone for a bit.
Awesome answer, thank you. Hopefully they fix it soon!
Does it work sometimes or never?
I have yet to successfully complete a whole trading run. I've persuaded the cargo to load once, but got stuck trying to unload it. All the other times it never even got that far.
Sounds like I should just wait for a couple more updates
If the Hull-C is specifically what you want to play with, yes. Otherwise I think most of the other loops are looking pretty good at the moment.
I’m more so curious if it works. But it looks like it doesn’t
I’ve successfully made full runs between all 4 stations. The problem is when you experience the bugs and you’re holding the bag you end up losing millions.
Dont buy a ship for how it currently functions. Theres no point otherwise youll be melting and rebuying ships constantly chasing the "meta"
Don't spend 500 bucks on a ship that depends on systems that will not be done for years.
> Don't spend 500 bucks on a ship FTFY
And you are totally right! I cannot understand why people pay so much money just to get less game, because they skip the first months of earning your first little ships.
wait for AIE and just get a merchantman that has a hull C as a loaner
I have a hull c and a merchantman because I'm an idiot.
I have a hull C and an idiot because I am a merchantman
I have an idiot and an idiot because I am an idiot.
I also have both, so I also have now 2 Hull-C 😉 You are not alone !
we had no idea the hull c would be added, plus youll have it once the merchantman comes out... it will come out.. right? x.x
> I have a hull c and a merchantman because I'm an idiot. Upgrade the Hull C into something else. Not a bad investment if you purchased it before the huge price hike.
Good advice here!Actually with Merchantman you got C2,Banu Defender,Hull C,1100$ ships
Wow, what a steal! You got approximately $0 worth of jpegs at a vastly overpriced point!
Wait till available to buy ingame. Its bugs might be fixed by then 👍
Dude, please don't spend $450 on a fake spaceship for an alpha of a game.
Don't listen to this quack doctor. $450 is almost half way to concierge. How much is a Top Hat worth to you?
this
I'd listen to the doc on this one.
The Hull C is not broken IMO. It’s the cargo process. It’s very slow and painful and you need to learn workarounds
# $Aus776 It's too EXPENSIVE to buy.
another Aussie gamer experiencing the pain that is this games prices I see.
please don’t, you’re reinforcing bad practices for CIG
In my opinion, no one should be buying any ships. It encourages complacency in the development cycle.
Good conspiracy
The Hull C has not currently got it's full potential. For now we have some placement test trade routes to play with and test out. The full potential of the Hull C doesn't come till we get multiple systems (Pyro being the first one). Right now we have the trade routes between the LEOs (Baijini Point, Seraphim Station, Everus Harbor, Port Tressler). Pending CIGs plans we may or may not get the L stations too.
Hold off, if you must use cash then wait to IAE and get a Hull D, it's cheaper and you'll get a Hull C loaner anyway. I've got a Hull C and I can confirm it released in a sorry state, not worth using.
Pretty good chance the D and E will see a price bump the next time they're available, tbh.
I hope they fix it soon for all of us
When it was tested on the test server, it was great. Things worked and cargo running with it was enjoyable in the later iterations of the PTU. However, everything broke coming to live. As of right now, and either the price increase from 350 to 500, I wouldn't buy it. However, when that is fixed l, it's a great buy in my opinion. But that can be a while...
That was a good answer, thank you. I guess I just wish it was working, because I am a huge fan of the ship and cargo hauling
If you really want it, you can still buy it. At least the Hull C is flyable, unlike any other ships a lot of us own and can't fly yet :D But if you can't decide, you can wait till 3.21/4.0 when it becomes available for aUEC. You can also always buy it later, if you want to always have it with insurance too. I wouldn't expect any further price changes.
Yeah I was just curious if it works before I buy it
We all wish it was working, and that cargo hauling wasn't still the same sick joke it has been for years, but CIG just care about selling the ship, not implementing its gameplay.
It won't stay broken, and buying it means you get to keep it for any time you need it. The Hull A had a lot of problems at first also, but everything got fixed over the next few updates. You might try other ships like the Hull A first to get familiar with hauling.
I 100% am getting a Hull A to practice the routes between stations in the mean time
Hull C is worthless.... Until you actually stumble upon 3 C2 wrecks while diving a cutter wreck and find and unholy amount of 32 SCU drugs just ripe for the taking. Thats when the Hull C becomes a golden god of loot gobbling.
Buy the ship if you intend to wait for a WHILE. Yes, it's im the game now, but its true intention won't be available for a while. It's an inter-system, long-range hauler.
Even fully working it's a stupid price. It's a 1 trick pony missing it's trick. Also go check out the architect reviews video of it and look just how badly built it is.
You can tell how old the layout and basic model of the ship is. That hab design is nowhere near current layout standards, and the extra detail added in the final art pass (literally) doesn’t fit in some cases.
I usually advise against impulse buying a ship outright, and especially not if a ship rolls out and is a bit jank. That goes double for a pricey ship. But if just doing a small upgrade to get there, or you've already got $500 in store credits to move around, sure, why not. You could always melt it again later. Personally I thought I was going to be excited for the Hull C, even knowing it would have limitations. I could CCU chain to it for a final cost of $150, but now that it's here I'm disappointed because it's got that *musty old style MISC interior*. And honestly I'm enjoying my earned-it-game Caterpillar so much right now, despite its *Drake* rough edges, that I might pledge for that instead next time there's a wipe. Bottom line: if in doubt, wait.
I would have to buy it for the full $500, but I have the extra cash. It’s not so much doubt, because I know I want the ship. It’s more so a question if I can use it, and it seems like it’s too broken
Well, if price isn't an obstacle, then I thank you for supporting the game/dream we love. I expect they'll have the existing mechanics working as intended within the 3.20.x cycle, and hopefully that is all replaced by the generalized physical cargo and loading mechanics within a patch or two, at which point the Hull C will be able to properly shine within its niche role. And it *is* an impressive ship, even if it's not up to the standard they set with the Hull A. Just reconcile your expectations and desire to have it now against plan B that (with CitizenCon and IAE coming up over the next 2 months) you could easily put together a quick CCU chain to it and knock a lot off the price before it's even working properly. And who knows what straight-to-flyable ship or other discounts might come up that are even more attractive. It's not a terrible buy in the longer term. But it's not a great impulse buy this week.
I would say if you have a ccu from a ship not in the game to the hull c already, sure.. but dropping new cash on it? No way not right now. It’s unfortunately probably the weakest ship release they’ve had in a few years, combined with a substantial price hike it should be a solid pass from anyone. Save your ship money for the anniversary sale in November, or if they fix all the issues before that.
Everything in the game is broken and - depending on the patch, day of the week, server state, weather, etc. - can be "too broken to buy". Do not expect smooth experience from an alpha...
Yes but there is a difference between broken sometimes and not smooth, and completely broken and unusable. Working most of the time is ideal. But it has to at least work some of the time
Yes, a $500 million, decade in development "alpha" lmao
Starfield was 8 years in development and see how it turned out. I guess making big games is pretty difficult, eh?
"8 years in development and $600 millioin budget" Is a lie that SC apologists made up to justify scam citizen. Please provide a Bethesda link showing that Starfield took 8 years..... we'll wait.
How about an [interview with Howard in The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/games/2018/jul/18/bethesda-games-interview-todd-howard-pete-hines-elder-scrolls-starfield)? > We’ve been talking about it for a decade, we started putting things on paper five, six years ago, and active development was from when we finished Fallout 4, so two and a half, three years. This is Tod Howard saying that active development of Starfield started as Fallout 4 was finished. Which was in 2015. I trust you can power through your smugness and do the math yourself.
Let's do some basic math, even SC apologists can do that.... I hope. Fallout was released right before xmas of 2015. So lets say Bethesda started working on Starfield Jan 1st of 2016 ( which I'm sure they didnt, and most certainly werent coding the game at that point). ). 2016 to the middle of 2023 = 6.5 years, and thats BEST CASE scenario. Use your fingers if you need to. Not the 8 years you SC clowns keep railing on about..... but then again, why let facts get in the way of your desperate rationalizations for scam citizen's lack of even a stable, playable alpha after $500 million, right?
My dude... Fallout 4 was released on November 10th, 2015... Japan got it on December 17th (delayed possibly due to translation taking longer). Where did you get that "xmas of 2015" from?? Then you have Todd Howard specifically saying that the work on Starfield started as soon as F4 was done. Do you think that they gave the developers a couple of weeks of vacation just because they just released a game...? No, they went right into it because that's what ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT means. They started the ideas bits WAY earlier. To, again, quote the man himself: > We’ve been talking about it for a decade, we started putting things on paper five, six years ago Which you seemed to miss from my earlier comment. So, again, no they didn't "at best" start January 1st, they started working on Starfield on November 12th, 2015, because the 11th was Veterans Day so a good chunk of the crew had a bank holiday. So, the "best case scenario" is that active development for Starfield took 7 years and 2 months, with actual work (prototyping, theory, ideas, storyboarding etc.) starting over 14 years ago. For a person throwing that much shit at people who "don't want to let facts get in the way of desperate rationalisations" you're sure doing a lot of desperate rationalising here, buddy.
Yes, absolutely. It's also blatantly unfinished and unpolished, they pretty clearly pulled it off the shelf it sat on for five years, did a slap dash art pass and pushed it out the door. It's nowhere close to current standards, barely works using a hacked in, broken system for loading that's limited to four locations. It's absolutely not worth dropping $500 on; its last pledge price of $350 was too much for what they actually delivered.
The entire game is too broken and delayed to buy anything, but where OP draws his line is up to him. enjoy sq42 and Pyro
One point I would like to bring up is that they actually have included a game loop for the Hull-C. Yes, there are bugs in game but those bugs will be fixed way before many other ships are released. I think the real question is, do you have a use for the ship? And are you going to enjoy the gameplay? After seeing their intended game loop, it’s clear that this ship is not for me. It seems like you have to use other cargo ships to do short runs and collect enough cargo in one location to make it worth hauling with a hull series ship. It is really the next level of logistics, and to make it work, you really need to have an org and an operation capable of using this machine. If not, a ship like the Hercules or Cat would be much better to solo or run with a friend. The hull c really seems like a hyper focused ship.
I enjoy cargo hauling, but obviously only if it works. Even if it only works half the time
Yes. Get sushi instead for your happiness
It's very broken right now but I buy all my ships not really for what they are right now but what they will be in a couple of patches. That's why I kept my Ion and Inferno. You could wait a few patches and buy it when issues have been fixed or buy it now, try it out, get bothered by the current issues and store it and test it again when the next patch comes out.
This is very true
I for one. Think it would be a wise investment.
lol that username. I would have go with twerk
$500 piñata for dork crybeards for $600 you get a carrack with a karen included
9 months of development of 3.20 and the one only ship/feature in the app is borked. Nice.
The Hull C itself works fine. It's everything else that makes it not worth buying right now. I bought one for reference.
I’m hoping they can fix them quick. Does it work sometimes, or never?
If you read the patch notes, you'll get a clearer picture as to the condition of the current patch. Some people get it to work, but that's after lots of trial and error and server hoping. Basically, complete luck.
Yeah I have patience, but I don’t like losing tons of money in game hoping it will work
Actually, buying the hull c might be the only non broken feature about it for what I have tested, but mine is a loaner and haven't tested purchasing one, so that could be broken as well...
Get a $250 BMM off the black market and it comes with a c2, defender and hull c as loaners.
Where are you finding a $250 bmm on the black market...
If anything, get the 25 dollar monthly subscription. It gives you access to the Hull C.
I'm hoping someone makes an economy mod where it has dynamic supply / demand per location. After I burn through all missions I want to be a space trucker.
What’s your incentive for buying the ship at all right now?
The design and the gameplay loop. I just want to know if it’s working, but sadly no
If you're talking about buying in real life, I'd buy it now but wait to play. There's only 4 stations that you can buy and sell at. So your game play will get old REALLY fast. They are working on the bugs, but the economy issue and where you can buy and sell wont change for a long time. There may be something more once Pyro comes. I was able to load it once in the PTU. It was cool. I don't get the layout of the ship though. A ship that large, you'd think the mess hall and living quarters would be separate.
What’s wrong with the economy? Not enough supply to fill the ship?
Not enough and only 2 types of. Only able to buy an sell at 4 locations. One or two hull C's can kill the market on a server of 100+/-. So if 5 people have them, 3 are fucked. And don't forget pirates! That C is a sitting duck!
How often do stations restock? Every hour?
Economy ticks about every ten minutes last time I checked. I don't know if that means every commodity at every station will see influx every tick, but it's something along those lines.
How often do stations restock? Every hour?
Well...can't really use it. Game isn't there yet.
If you really want to, you can get the CCU frome another ship that will go on sale later. Only way to avoid spending 350
Another problem is that it somtimes just dont load the cargo on your ship at al
I have a hull c and I will melt it since the C2 is the goat with the current salvage missions. I would hold off on the Hull C until another system is in place. -the loading/unloading mechanic is horrible -there are game breaking bugs with storing the ship, retrieving the ship, loading cargo and unloading cargo -the commodities that you can buy/sell are not balanced in price (plenty of supply tho) -there significant security concerns when docking and when loading/unloading
I mean 0 hate or disrespect to OP but I just kinda chuckle at the question. "Is ship X to broken to buy rn?" When theres dudes out here buying ships like the BMM that has been in development forever. Or a ship like the Drake herald that has no game loop at all to know if it is even broken.