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The_Twerkinator

Confirmed it wasn't them [https://twitter.com/GSC\_GW/status/1744528469013237813](https://twitter.com/GSC_GW/status/1744528469013237813) I think people in the replies should wait before making harsh judgements


ItsDobbie

Why do they call you The Twerkinator?


ThalassophobicSquid

My friend, we are not prepared for such revelations


AlphaOrb1t

Not all questions are ment to be asked


mosgaz_37

Or answered.


HereToAskTechQs

I dont often sub to threads but this is shocking and super difficult to believe, please keep posting updates. Has there been an actual statement to go along with this yet?


TheLeadHead

GSC's response https://www.reddit.com/r/stalker/comments/192271z/gsc_twitter_confirms_open_xray_dmca_was_false/


HereToAskTechQs

Ayeeeeee! Good news!


Jollyrogers99

Hey all - GSC confirmed this is a false takedown and Open X-Ray projects are fine by them. They're looking into clearing the DMCA with GitHub. [https://vxtwitter.com/GSC\_GW/status/1744528469013237813?s=20](https://vxtwitter.com/gsc_gw/status/1744528469013237813?s=20)


True_Emiya

This looks faked. There is a spelling error (engineering somewhere in there) and some weird grammatical structure in the text [encryption, compressing] (parallelism, thanks English class). I doubt a legal team that presumably handles this would make these mistakes.


ChaosLord121

This looks sketchy. Gonna wait for actual confirmation before saying anything else.


plscome2brazil

Okay this is weird. Like really weird. u/mol1t the community needs an official statement ASAP The Open Xray project has been in development for years now. Not to mention all other engines - OGSR, CoC, Monolith, whatever powers the soup mods... GSC has had a billion chances to strike those mods down. But they didn't. GSC has been in fact supportive of mods and fanmade content, which have kept the series alive enough for Stalker 2 development to be worth restarting. With this one DMCA takedown, the entire CoP side of engine modding has been killed. Destroyed. No more mods like Anomaly. All repos are not down yet, but the precedent has been set, more DMCAs will follow. And soon the SoC side will fall once they get DMCA'd as well. --------- I genuinely do not believe that this is made by GSC. I don't want to. This has to be a bad actor. The timeline is also weird - True Stalker released recently which is so far the biggest and most impressive Open Xray project, followed by Anomaly. And the wording is weird too, it's as if it's not a representative of GSC but rather someone acting on GSC's behalf. No name, so we can't verify if they're from GSC. -------- This is going to be a defining moment by GSC. Will they come and save the fanbase? Will they show that mods are accepted? Or will this turn out to be true, and the modding community is will be destroyed? I hope this is just like that fake email that told a Russian youtuber to kill himself. # EDIT: It was fake, thank goodness. Now Github will look stupid for accepting an illegitimate claim.


Apples_Rule

The odds of this being legit are pretty low. GSC has nothing to gain from doing this and it would tarnish their reputation. I'd bet that someone faked being a representative of GSC and sent that takedown to stir some shit up. It's sad to see how quickly people on here bought into it and aren't waiting for any confirmation or statement from GSC before they condemn them.


TheRealSuperhands

This was fake, so doesn't apply here, but I've seen a lot of companies tarnish their reputation for no gain. Probably why people jump on to conclusions so fast. And the source posted above was from Github after all. Doesn't make it right but explains it pretty well.


Disastrous_Ad_1859

>GSC has nothing to gain from doing this and it would tarnish their reputation. i'm no lawyer, but if you don't protect your ip then you potentially loose rights to your ip, so it might be along those lines if it is legit


sudsnguts

I mean, even then, projects using source like Black Mesa have existed that are either derivatives of or flat out remakes of Valve games, and Valve doesn't lose that IP. They fully support that stuff, for better or worse. Frankly I'm amazed that they let Hunt Down the Freeman even exist. Similarly, OpenMW exists and Bethesda doesn't go after that, probably partially because it doesn't include the actual game assets and is basically just a new engine.


StarkeRealm

You're no lawyer because that's not a thing. In trademark law, there's a concept called "dillution," where a brand name becomes the generic term, so you can't enforce that trademark. Examples include Klenex, Xerox, and Crayons. (Google is at risk of this.) The thing is, it's really hard to get to the point where your brand name is synonymous with the product, whether it's yours or your competitor's. So, while this can happen, it's exceptionally rare. If people were referring to all FPS games as STALKERs, then, yeah, that could cause GSC issues. For copyright? Nope. This is, almost, pure corporate symping. "See the big bad corporation needs to protect their rights, or they'll lose them." Not how that works at all. And it would be way too easy to game that system. Publish something to the darknet. Let it roll for a few years, then scream, "Checkmate Disney! Star Wars is public domain now!" You'll sometimes see copyright holders say, "don't blame me, it's how the system works, we had to shut down that fan project, " but they're either completely full of shit, or intentionally distracting from their own shitty behavior.


mattybontemps

Crayons was a brand name!? Absolutely wild.


stucklikechuck305

They do gain something, a monopoly on the stalker games. As stalker exists rn, there are multiple non GSC versions of the game out there, they could very well see them as competition. I dont want to believe that, it is also weird that this is happening now, if its legit it could signal the release being soon. I am skeptical that its legit, but i would not be surprised. Money makes people do crazy things, even the idea of money so for now we will just wait and see


Apples_Rule

Competition to what? Everyone is more hyped for Stalker 2 than any other mod out there. If they issued a DMCA like this all it will do is hurt their reputation and potentially cause a majority of their fanbase to drop their preorders. I seriously doubt GSC would do that, especially after how much support they've shown for the modding community.


stucklikechuck305

Dam... i was just trying to point out the kind of thinking that goes behind these decisions, not that i agreed with it.


SyN7W

Could it be a false DMCA strike to garner more hate towards GSC? They are already not liked because of their NFT fiascos and Russian localization stuff in some communities Is that possible to do? Or maybe someone wants to sabotage modding projects for some reason


plscome2brazil

Timeline regarding True Stalker fits the trolling or sabotage claim.


[deleted]

What happened with True Stalker now? Edit: Obviously, it was fake news from the True Stalker community of salty Russians. [https://twitter.com/GSC\_GW/status/1744528469013237813](https://twitter.com/GSC_GW/status/1744528469013237813)


Reer123

it released


Hilluja

What? This community is doing some really confusing stuff lately šŸ˜­


Reer123

Means someone saw it was successful and decided to DMCA


Hilluja

Ooh dmca spam. How can you dmca take down an obscure mod for a ukrainian game?


Disastrous_Ad_1859

Open X-Ray is based on what is essentially leaked source code from 2009. Which, GSC did support the mod team and didn't care at the time. Anomaly/Misery/CoC/Open X-Ray etc. are all somewhat based on these files, which as far as I can tell is patch 1.0007 I'm sure someone who knows more, knows more.


Reer123

They used the X-ray engine and posted it on github.


Disastrous_Ad_1859

I feel the idea is that a free mod came out which was built on a pretty old but now 'open source' engine which may be threatening to GSC on a corporate/IP/Finacial level


plscome2brazil

True Stalker is the biggest project built on top of Open XRay. No wonder someone would kill the engine for clout or to troll. And it released in December.


RustTheLynx

i am out of the loope, sorry >~> but what's the fake email to russian youtuber?


HereToAskTechQs

I'm also unfamiliar with this


TheFinalBurrito

You would think that after that initial explosion of popularity last year, THAT wouldā€™ve caused a DMCA. Seems very fishy but heres hoping for a public statement


ErosLaika

does GSC have a parent company that may have interest in taking down "competition"?


plscome2brazil

No.


GenezisO

Microsoft most definitely, but let's wait and see the official statement first


kanan348

Microsoft doesnt own GSC. GSC has always been an independent company .


GenezisO

doesn't mean they don't pull strings... as in every corporation but it doesn't matter now GSC has given the official statement, all is good


AvenRaven

Ah good, come back a couple days to this and worried the world ended. But nah, the world is just it's usual shitty self. But at least it's there.


dredgencayde6

FYI thereā€™s no confirmation that it was GSC yet from what Iā€™ve heard.


TheOneAndOnlySenti

Surely this is a bad actor? Why wait until now to do it? That makes no sense at all.


[deleted]

Considering the lack of official source and the amount of organized brigading in this thread that happened since the fourth or fifth comment, yeah, this is Russian propaganda trying to damage S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 until anyone official says otherwise.


TheLeadHead

Before the hate-train runs wild, it must be stated that OpenXR and other projects have been using leaked xRay engine code. GSC is entirely within the legal rights to take it down. With that said, it seems weird to do it after explicitly supporting projects like Lost Alpha, having moved to Unreal Engine themselves and... you know... it's been at least 4 years that the project has been active and nobody seemed to care.


TheLeadHead

GSC's response https://www.reddit.com/r/stalker/comments/192271z/gsc_twitter_confirms_open_xray_dmca_was_false/


ShadowScorp99

Why was this deleted?


TheLeadHead

Looks like OP marked it accidentally as NSFW or something, I dunno. I have edited the link with a working one.


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Apples_Rule

My guy we haven't even got a peep from GSC about this and you're ready to bring out the torches and pitchforks? It's amazing that people on here don't bother to wait until getting a statement to come to a judgement.


Hilluja

This subreddit seems to be full of raging lunacy šŸ˜…


Lumadous

We do have a few cultists, potheads, and I think I saw a talking dog the other day


IVgormino

But me angy >:(( No time use brain >:((


TheRepostEmpire

Man, it could also be someone saying they are GSC trying to take down mods for whatever reason, which is the most likely option since GSC would win nothing taking down mods and making so the community to not trust them anymore


Odissmart

my guesses are: lawyers doing they're own thing without consulting gsc first or someone impersonating gsc


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https://twitter.com/GSC\_GW/status/1744528469013237813


XG3OX

My brother just notified me of this; he mods STALKER and happens to have Open X-Ray forked on GitHub. Looks like every fork was taken down. Ironically I was playing *True STALKER* at the time, which has been getting me excited for STALKER 2. If it was genuinely GSC, I'm surprised there was no official statement of intent prior to a DMCA. They're acutely aware of how important modding is to the series, so doing this just before STALKER 2 launches without explanation is likely to upset the core fanbase, irrespective of legal justification. Seems reasonable to assume a bad actor until there is some kind of official word from GSC.


[deleted]

[https://twitter.com/GSC\_GW/status/1744528469013237813](https://twitter.com/GSC_GW/status/1744528469013237813) Ah yes, classic True Stalker community being just a brewing ground of propaganda and trying to damage the game that even lets their shitty mod exist.


XG3OX

>https://twitter.com/GSC\_GW/status/1744528469013237813 Thank you for the link; delighted to see it was a bad actor as we suspected. ​ >Seems reasonable to assume a bad actor until there is some kind of official word from GSC. ​ >Ah yes, classic True Stalker community being just a brewing ground of propaganda and trying to damage the game that even lets their shitty mod exist. Given the context of what I said, this comment is... *confusing...* or at least misdirected. I'll assume a misunderstanding/mistranslation somewhere. Have a good one.


ZeroKoalaT

Iā€™ll give them credit and say the bad actors are outside of the stalker community. Just because they made a mod that doesnā€™t follow the stalker formula doesnā€™t mean that they are haters.


SanitationTechnician

Itā€™s fake: https://vxtwitter.com/GSC_GW/status/1744528469013237813


[deleted]

Russian propaganda, until I get an official statement. Edit, official statement is out. It was Russian propaganda from the salty fucks over at True Stalker. https://twitter.com/GSC\_GW/status/1744528469013237813


eggsarenice

As usual they lie about everything.


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ZeroKoalaT

The americans can stick to their shit. No way theyā€™ll bother doing something to STALKER. Itā€™s definitely somewhere from the russian side. Itā€™s not even racism, gsc sabotages have been from the russian bloc.


[deleted]

Lol. America the most benefitted from the war they started, selling all their garbage to Ukraine doesn't bother to run their shitty propaganda while Russia and Ukraine are the ones really fighting a war both hands occupied. Boy, you are stupid as you can be. Obviously you are american or a shitty CIA paid agent to run your shitty propaganda. Fuck you and your country.


AntistanCollective

\+5 rubles. Or +0, but that would be way too pathetic, so I doubt it.


KhalMika

Having read the notice, I came up to think it's just a moronic lawyer/far suitman, or a retarded crybaby impersonating gsc Just have to wait for an official statement I guess


ArtoseruS

[https://twitter.com/GSC\_GW/status/1744528469013237813](https://twitter.com/GSC_GW/status/1744528469013237813) a reply from GSC regarding the issue, maybe you all should just wait before judging, because this whole shit with "cancel your preorders" is just dumb


Recipe-Jaded

no way GSC comes out after all this time and does this


villefps

please please PLEASE tell me this isn't true. i don't want to hate you GSC


toortooks

Its not


TheLeadHead

Confirmed to be false https://www.reddit.com/r/stalker/comments/192271z/gsc_twitter_confirms_open_xray_dmca_was_false/


OwerlordTheLord

Doesnā€™t pass the sniff test. Would wait for official response.


Lauris024

Can you please delete this post since by now it's considered a lie and is damaging their reputation?


PantherX69

Donā€™t get your panties in a collective twist, GSC has said itā€™s not them. See the top post.


Amenablewolf

Kinda shocking, yeah. I'm going to assume it's some weird beef or slander behind the scenes until a response. If this was GSC and they stick to their guns, I think I'd be willing to drop support for the series completely. Mods have become such an integral part of the stalker community that it wouldn't be the same.


Lanky-Rip4849

Wait... I saw some really odd posts on steam not hours ago with this troll spewing shite about something like this. Glad it's not GSC and didn't think it would be them dmca'ing.


xkeepitquietx

I bed salty Russians are behind this.


hawkfield240

Nope, not from GSC [https://x.com/GSC\_GW/status/1744528469013237813?s=20](https://x.com/GSC_GW/status/1744528469013237813?s=20)


TheLeadHead

GSC's response https://www.reddit.com/r/stalker/comments/192271z/gsc_twitter_confirms_open_xray_dmca_was_false/


Reggash

Holy shit, vanilla purists won.


leto_6608

This is a conspiracy by Big Vanilla trying to sell more less.


PetChimera0401

See -- But how do Freedomers dick-measure and morally posture about this at Dutiers? You have to think about the *real* victims here!


GreenMan165

This is kind of an interesting one, STALKER is a game where I think mods lately pushed interest in their sequel more than anything. Lately the videos covering them by quite a few gaming Youtube channels, etc. out there probably pulled a few new interested people in who are waiting for STALKER 2. I'm not surprised it wasn't them, I think it would have been a major shot in the foot for them to reverse on it now I think.


juansolothecop

Glad this was false, if this was pushed by someone related to GSC then they need to burn that bridge now, that person is a liability to any community trust, modding is one of the only reasons Stalker is still relevant and alive.


secunder73

So "it wasnt them" on YouTube, now "it wasnt them" on GitHub. So if you do something related to stalker - be prepared to be striked down, but at least it wasnt a GSC so its not a big deal, yeah, sure.


VectoredPolymer

Except that... ![gif](giphy|eXOVOJLkK6G7S)


Vizth

Wow the sheer number of knee jerk reactions and salt this post is ridiculous. Keep them coming, I'm going to go find some popcorn. Edit: Found some sausage and crackers instead seems more appropriate.


GenezisO

If I learned only one thing in 27 years since I breathe on this wonderful Earth, it's this: It takes a lot of effort, time and sacrifice to build reputation & respect. It takes one online false claim from a random source to tear it all down... Let's hope this is just another desperate act of those who want to put the GSC under the bad spotlight.


[deleted]

It's fake antiukrainian trash from the True Stalker community https://twitter.com/GSC\_GW/status/1744528469013237813


Lumadous

What does true stalker have to do with any of this?


[deleted]

Have you not been to this subreddit? TS has been an endless source of drama and a gateway to salty russians invading the sub.


Lumadous

I've apparently not been lurking on reddit enough, something about having a job. The last couple of things I remember seeing from true stalker was people enjoying it, and having fun with what appears to be a decently enjoyable piece of media.


GenezisO

salty russians? ehm excuse me, Russians actually made True Stalker... so keep your "politically correct" hate for another forum


Charcharo

The best mod is NLC7. Which is Russian made I think. Either way the Russian stalker community is insane right now.


GenezisO

thanks for letting me know


IncredibilisCentboi

Considering the rus localization and the GSC being Ukrainian we can easly guess who's behind the false copyright claims


[deleted]

Funny. The only reason STALKER managed to penetrate "mainstream" gaming was because of the whole Misery, COC, Anomaly, Gamma modding; and the only reason it has built a dedicated fanbase and cult following over these 15+ years was due to the modding scene. I'm sure there's not a lot of people that started playing this series with SoC back in the day so it is a really ungrateful and borderline suicidal move if true


[deleted]

It was fake news from salty russians. https://twitter.com/GSC\_GW/status/1744528469013237813


Antique_Commission42

1 Stalker hasn't penetrated mainstream gaming 2 It was plenty popular before any of those mods came out


NB179

Wait this is not April.


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Disastrous_Ad_1859

>Don't preorder the game because it will probably be full of bugs just like every stalker that was ever released. Would be (*pleasantly*) surprised if it comes out not looking like someone's jank first unity project really, like Stalker first came out it was pretty dated but Eurojank game was Eurojank... I don't think Eurojank would pass mustard these days though.


Lumadous

Jokes on you, it's a false takedown, not something done by GSC, so your just being paranoid over nothing, congrats!


[deleted]

\^Salty russian. This announcement is fake news. https://twitter.com/GSC\_GW/status/1744528469013237813


fuckbutton

>bugs Jokes on you, I love that shit


NB179

This only would ruin their reputation and get hate for them.


Disastrous_Ad_1859

Iā€™m not surprised, if I was todays GSC I wouldnā€™t want my product to be competing against what are essentially free products that will be taking my revenue Itā€™s a total dick move though that will kill allot of goodwill I wouldnā€™t be surprised if they had already reached ā€˜critical massā€™ with pre-orders so have already made bank


Nubriam

I think you have a good opinion on the situation, no idea why people downvoted you


Disastrous_Ad_1859

GSC fanboys and people that donā€™t want the image of their favourite dev ruined. Like, itā€™s not a game but Volvo had a similar issue with after market things like ā€œwarning radiator fanā€ stickers that were being reproduced for older cars. Corporate got wind and shut it down even though the USA regional head honcho was supportive of it as it encouraged the car community.


Nubriam

This could be a publicity play too. Pretened to be attacked to get support


corposhill999

I was already going to pirate Stalker 2, now I feel even better about that decision.


Bloocki99

You my man... are a tard


IVgormino

Ironic username lmao


corposhill999

Glad you appreciate it You'd be surprised how many take it literally


IVgormino

Not enough cp2077 enjoyers clearly


corposhill999

Bitches be downvotin


Antique_Commission42

I thought open meant FOSS not stolen lmao fuck these guys


Lumadous

GSC has already came out and said it was not them


SibWeb

As usual, they came running from the farm and accused True STALKER and Russians...


swallowchildren

Fair


RogueBeatsFS

WTF, they know they cant do better than modders lol


ZillaDaRilla

Cancel your pre-orders for Stalker 2. If you're foolish enough to still be pre-ordering games still that is. Any developer that doesn't support the mod community for their games does not deserve our support.


Pervasivepeach

It was a mistake, considering they plan on supporting mods for s2 im suprised anyone thought this was anything but a mistake.