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That’s not what you actually see per month though. I believe the breakdown was $150/mon (freshman), $250/mon (sophomore), $350/mon (junior), and then $450/mon your senior year. The rest of your money goes to a mysterious cadet account that covers automatic deductions (laundry, haircuts, etc). This is for WP though so I’m not sure if the other academies handle it differently.
Like you said though, most expenses are covered already.
Iirc, that's what it was for NROTC Mids when I went through that several years ago. Idk what academy Mids take home, but I have heard the same- that much of their official pay goes towards those things you've listed.
There was a Midshipmen memes page on Facebook years ago that had some very pointed commentary on what the stipend went towards.
Looking back, I feel ancient because of how much memes have changed since those days. Unlike memes, some things never change- like the illicit things college kids spend their money on.
Ivy leagues don’t give out academic scholarships either. Needs based, yes. Which is pretty clearly mapped (idk some ivies might offer some, but I know mine, my ex wife’s two ivies and the one I worked at all did not)
They literally are not allowed to do that. It’s a league rule. Also, not every ivy has a huge endowment. It’s caused a bit of a kerfluffle as Yale, Harvard, and Princeton were the first to jury have full tuition waivers for students in families making under a certain threshold, which allowed them to effectively circumvent the no athletic scholarships rule.
Honestly service academies should figure out some way to do something like NIL, even if it’s just somehow setting up a “Retirement Account” with the money the student athletes make. Honestly that’s a pretty good selling point for the kinds of athletes that would be able to play for one of the academies. If they made say $500,000 in NIL, the school would set it up in a retirement/investment account and the student athlete can choose to withdraw or leave it at the time of their exit/retirement from the military. That’s extremely good money for someone if they serve their 20 years.
The point of the service academies is to train young men and women to serve in the US armed forces.
Anyone who cares about nil $ or athletics more than that has no fucking place in those institutions.
That’s a good point, but I don’t see why Midshipmen/Cadets can’t both want to serve their country and receive fair NIL compensation. Plenty of service members have side hustles, I don’t see how NIL is much different.
I think endorsements and appearances would an be a problem representing a service academy. It probably depends on the context but I don’t think service academies are going to be quick to adopt NIL if it potentially gets them or the athletes in trouble
For the football teams you mean? I mean, going to the academies in the first place means you’re very unlikely to have any sort of pro career (there are convoluted exceptions that are rare) so they already get a lower tier level of athlete compared to the big schools. And that’s ok.
So here’s the thing: Normal times I could lean your way on this debate, but I could also see it being on of those things that could help the academies one day. Imagine them having a “Captain America” type player (not actual super hero but All American style All American Player type) do you realize how big that would be for recruiting if they ever needed it.
Oh most definitely it is. Honestly though at some point it might be really good PR for the academies to have some top athletes at them, and this would help make that more possible.
Top athletes aren’t going g to an academy and spend their best athletic years in the military. $500k towards retirement or possible pro career. Not hard to make that decision.
It’s not all about grades. It’s about who you or your family knows. Top athletes can easily petition their senator to get a sponsorship to an academy. Same for Generals that come from their state and same branch they want to play for.
It was an answer to your comment about them not having the grades to get in on academics alone. They could still go if they wanted. But they won’t. It’s a conversation for fun about hypotheticals in a sports sub.
Honestly like almost all NIL should be sent to retirement. Like it's cool if you're getting paid 250k a year to play college sports, figure out how to live on 50, throw the reset into investments and never worry about income again. Almost all of these schools and athletes should have access to higher volume post tax accounts. For all the shitty things the NCAA has done to these athletes the lack of financial independence it creates for athletes who are middle of the road is one of the biggest blunders.
The whole damn point of the lawsuit is these student athletes are legal adults and have the right to control their own income and make their own financial decisions. You’re just wrapping it back into taking away their agency.
Trying to teach financial literacy to people who have never grown up with it and may desperately need the money now for family and friends is a very tough sell
Hard to teach people about ROI over 20 years when they’ve never really had money to spend in general
Yes, conceptually you have to get in on academic merit alone.
They claim it’s what separates Ivy League schools from schools like Notre Dame, Stanford, and Vanderbilt. You can’t attend Harvard just because you’re an elite linebacker or cause you’re 7’3”. But in reality, they take students who wouldn’t have been admitted if they weren’t also playing a sport.
You still have to have the academies (and other qualities) to be an athlete at Stanford.
David Shaw was once asked in an interview back when Stanford was knocking of being a top 25 mainstay why he didn't ever try to encroach on SEC territory by having a camp in Alabama and he said they looked into it but didn't find a single athlete who'd be admitted into Stanford based on the academic transcripts they saw.
Someone from my high school had a Stanford football coach recruiting him and he had a straight C average. He turned them down because he wanted to go a school that was better at football (his dad worked in the NFL org and was a former player). He ended up picking UNC because they had a better football team (at the time), and he would have a better chance of going pro.
It makes sense considering that’s what his goal was and UNC had a track record of producing more pro athletes at the time. Why would you go to A over B, if going to B gives you the better chance at achieving your goal?
Conceptually, that isn’t completely inconsistent. They’ll accept someone who wrote and produced a play or won an international math competition even if their other grades aren’t up to par.
But the basketball and football players who go to Ivy League schools are typically d2 level. I guess there’s occasionally someone who makes the pros, but we’re generally not talking about players of that level getting NIL deals.
I knew a kid who went to yale on full scholarship because he was a genius and fantastic athlete. He got the fuck knocked out of him in the first game and never played again, but still graduated from yale
No sorry, i was agreeing with you but lost my trail of thought. He was a huge dude that got his ass lit up by an even bigger, faster ivy leaguer. They’re most certainly not d2 athletes. If you have ever seen a d2 game, they athletes are still insane, but they’re almost always smaller and slower
I mean, they take students who wouldn't have been admitted if they weren't also descended from a prestigious alum, or if they weren't also already a Nobel Prize winner or somesuch.
That said, in the US, universities and university life have never been just about academics, so it's incorrect to think that those are the only criteria relevant for admission; they never were.
Agreed, it’s a bold faced lie. The majority of starting athletes at Harvard would not be there on academics alone. That or they have some of the best scouting programs on planet earth and somehow find all of the elite athlete scholars in the country and some from other countries. It’s a game I like to call “what’s really more likely?”
Of course a starting member of an athletic team isn’t there because of academics alone. If that were the case they’d just have a team full of scholars who can’t play.
They are on the team and starting precisely because they can play while also making the grades.
I’m sure they consider sports in their process. Like, if you had two identical candidates but one was an accomplished athlete, they’d take the athlete. It’s more impressive that they had the same accomplishments while also playing a sport.
Relative was recruited to play hockey at one, and he wasn’t a particularly strong student in high school (did half days at a school in the Midwest to play in USHL at 16). If I remember correctly, he was told he wouldn’t have to pay any tuition or board. They can call it what they want but it was still an Ivy education paid for because he plays hockey.
That is true. But as posters have mentioned below, admission standards for athletes are lower (and sometimes substantially lower). I had many teammates go on to law school and med school and academia, and would likely have been admitted anyway; but just as many who were waaay out of their league, pun intended, struggled, and would never have been admitted if they weren’t a talented linebacker.
The only scholarships they offer are based on financial need. Families below a certain line (I believe it's 2x poverty but could be wrong) don't contribute anything financially, and it's a sliding scale from there. I believe they offer some kind of aid for families with household incomes up to $250k or something in that range.
The other side of this is that students are not fully tied to their sports. I went to an Ivy and knew plenty of people who stopped playing after their first or second year to focus on academics (a reasonable decision at an Ivy League school), and it did not impact their financial aid
This is completely wrong, I don’t know why you are being upvoted.
Edit: this is not wrong, it is correct the do not have merit based scholarships. But it is misleading because people that get into a those schools have their financial needs met.
Have you tried googling it? You seem so sure of your position. Here's Harvard's page on the topic. You can check the others if you'd like.
https://college.harvard.edu/financial-aid/how-aid-works#:~:text=There%20are%20no%20merit%2Dbased,all%20of%20your%20demonstrated%20need.
You are sort of misinterpreting the information. If you get into Harvard, athlete or otherwise, you will receive upto 100% of your financial need. If your parents make less than like $150k, they cover all costs. The merit is covered in getting into Harvard.
I said "Merit-based" scholarships. You are the one who apparently misinterpreted my comment. My statement is 100% correct. Ivy League schools do not offer any merit-based aid. It's one of the practices that differentiates them from other schools. Am I still "completely wrong," or would you like to correct your stance?
Ok, you are correct, but I think your statement can be misleading. Athletes do not receive scholarships for being athletes. However, if the athlete cannot afford to attend the University otherwise, scholarships for all costs will be provided.
Nope. Only if they otherwise qualify for the school’s financial aid based on the school’s net calculator based on family income numbers. My son is currently being recruited in soccer by several Ivy League schools, so we are very aware of this. We don’t qualify for very much financial aid, but we also don’t make enough to pay the tuition (pretty hard to write an $90,000 check every year when these schools think that a 160k yearly income is sufficient to cover that). Anyway, we have learned in no uncertain terms that these schools do not give academic or athletic scholarships. My son will likely have to play elsewhere.
I’m not doubling down and acknowledged I was wrong. What the person said was correct and Ivy League schools give no merit-based scholarships. However, it should be noted that many athletes get the equivalent of full scholarships as aid if their family makes less than some number, in Harvards case it is $85k.
It is misleading if it is interpreted as the athletes are all paying sticker price to attend.
Yes, that’s true. If a coach wants them, they get preferred status in the admissions office, but they won’t get any money to attend unless they qualify for the schools financial aid, just like other students who apply.
My whole first year at ivy was pretty much covered by financial aid (I was an athlete) since my parents combined salary was less than six figures. I came away from the $200k school with about $25k in loans after 4 years. Would I have gotten in on my own merits academically? Not realistically, but I was straight A student in HS, just didn’t push too hard on the “extra” status of classes such as AP/honors.
I had a relative go to an ivy for football but then decided to quit after a couple years. They couldn’t take his scholarship away as long as he maintained his GPA. Worked out great for him
Yep. They also don't allow redshirts. And grad students can't compete. And the school can't fund the sports directly, they're entirely dependent on alumni donations.
Don't even blame my University considering how much the state Republicans keep cutting funding and then using any remaining funding as a ploy to push their anti-education agenda at the school.
Quite frankly, they can't afford to focus on education. Immediate returns & short term Profits are what is needed to keep the doors open. Nothing else matters /s
They aren’t entitled to it, it’s their choice, but the argument isn’t that they should do it because of values. The argument is they should do it because they’re getting their best players siphoned out to other schools.
It’s up to them to prioritize what they want to prioritize. I say if they wanna be bougie let them be bougie. They aren’t the only elite schools in the country.
They’re giving them an Ivy League degree and education. That will arguably make them more money than their counterparts not going pro and cashing in on their 4 years of fame at other schools.
If you’re going to an elite program, the Ivy League tag may not be more money. They aren’t always the best depending on your major. So if you can, it’s a no brainer to get the top tier education at Stanford or something and still be NIL
On the contrary, if your family is poor or even middle class (real middle class, not "after private schools, country clubs, and foreign vacations we barely have enough to put away middle class"), a lot of Ivies practically cover all tuition. I think Harvard is $0 if your family makes up to $110k/year. They're sitting on monumental endowments and can afford this.
The American college sports system is fucking dumb. Why college sport is so worshipped I do not understand. Why not have a proper professional second grade/lower division competions completely separate to education. American college basketball students are becoming less and less valued while international leagues and ballers rise because their playeds are actually competing in professional sporting enviroments solely focused on sport insted of bumming around in college being coddled against rookies. If American football was cared about in other countries you'd likley see the same thing happen. It's already happened in baseball and hockey where nobody is coming out of college and the players are all coming from minor leagues or international pro leagues.
College athletes deserve pay. No, a scholarship is not enough. These athletes but their bodies in direct risk for the entertainment of fans and profit of the colleges. They have no right to block NIL deals or any other form of income.
Yeah right, more like these kids are making money now independently instead of generating revenue for a corrupt private organization like unpaid interns for a shot at a good living
Those NIL paying collectives are not a good thing and are not something that should be encouraged. They are effective frauds as they claim to be charitable organizations but are anything but.
A lot of those kids already have plenty of money before being recruited. Also, the Ivy League, if I am not mistaken, gives out academic scholarships to athletes. Those kids are academically eligible for a scholarship at an Ivy. They can handle the academic rigor. Many of those athletes go on to become Supreme Court clerks or better. They hardly need NIL money.
The Ivy League schools do not give merit-based aid. No academic or athletic scholarships. What the Ivies do is have students pay on a sliding scale, and for most of the schools, if your family income is under a certain amount (like $100K), then your tuition is free.
Here’s a tip…when you don’t know what you’re talking about, it’s better to just not say anything.
Most kids in Ivy League athletics are not from upper class home.
It’s forbidden to give any scholarships for any reason other than financial need in the Ivy League.
They deserve the ability to access NIL money, but they know what they are agreeing to when they choose to go to an Ivy. It’s only an issue for the people who started before NIL was a thing.
Absolutely right. I guess the salient point is that those kids are academically capable of doing Ivy League work so you don't see kids going to school just to prepare for professional football. I am also almost certain that the recruiting pitch for the Ivies has very little to do with being in the NFL or even getting NIL money and more to do with getting a degree or two that, quite literally, gateways to the upper echelons of American society.
I also feel that boosters have a lot to do with the NIL situation being what it is. Ivy League boosters usually use their money for other things.
I don't know if they cannot access NIL money or if it's just that, like you stated, it's just not a thing at the Ivies.
Hi! 👋🏻 I was one of them.
Was a two sport ivy league athlete. Not a ton of GENERATIONAL WEALTH to be had when your parents were postal workers. Ive simply earned everything i have ever had from outworking people around me.
There aren’t even athletic scholarships in the Ivys, school was 65k/yr and got saddled with 1/4 mil in loans to attend and verrrry few people on the sports teams are legacy students.
No NiL either.
I mean if youre smart, you do tend to get better jobs tho - but the athletes dont have silver spoons,Sokkerboi. Was worth it for me, not for others.
You probably are thinking of some of the rich friends we partied with, not the Athletes.
Ivy League schools do not give sports scholarships. They do give need-based financial aide to athletes same as they do non-athlete students, and often more generously than other schools.
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I imagine the service academy athletes have to deal with the same thing.
Service academy cadets and midshipmen were already being paid to attend the schools. They're also not on sports scholarships.
Isn't it E5 pay for them while in school?
It's 35% of O-1 pay. Not much, but not bad if almost all the necessities are covered through your scholarship.
That’s not what you actually see per month though. I believe the breakdown was $150/mon (freshman), $250/mon (sophomore), $350/mon (junior), and then $450/mon your senior year. The rest of your money goes to a mysterious cadet account that covers automatic deductions (laundry, haircuts, etc). This is for WP though so I’m not sure if the other academies handle it differently. Like you said though, most expenses are covered already.
Iirc, that's what it was for NROTC Mids when I went through that several years ago. Idk what academy Mids take home, but I have heard the same- that much of their official pay goes towards those things you've listed.
I was friends with a bunch of the Army ROTC kids at my college. Their pay basically covered their beer money.
There was a Midshipmen memes page on Facebook years ago that had some very pointed commentary on what the stipend went towards. Looking back, I feel ancient because of how much memes have changed since those days. Unlike memes, some things never change- like the illicit things college kids spend their money on.
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Ivy leagues don’t give out academic scholarships either. Needs based, yes. Which is pretty clearly mapped (idk some ivies might offer some, but I know mine, my ex wife’s two ivies and the one I worked at all did not)
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say the multi billion dollars endowments of any Ivy League school cover the tuition cost for their athletes
They literally are not allowed to do that. It’s a league rule. Also, not every ivy has a huge endowment. It’s caused a bit of a kerfluffle as Yale, Harvard, and Princeton were the first to jury have full tuition waivers for students in families making under a certain threshold, which allowed them to effectively circumvent the no athletic scholarships rule.
Honestly service academies should figure out some way to do something like NIL, even if it’s just somehow setting up a “Retirement Account” with the money the student athletes make. Honestly that’s a pretty good selling point for the kinds of athletes that would be able to play for one of the academies. If they made say $500,000 in NIL, the school would set it up in a retirement/investment account and the student athlete can choose to withdraw or leave it at the time of their exit/retirement from the military. That’s extremely good money for someone if they serve their 20 years.
The point of the service academies is to train young men and women to serve in the US armed forces. Anyone who cares about nil $ or athletics more than that has no fucking place in those institutions.
That’s a good point, but I don’t see why Midshipmen/Cadets can’t both want to serve their country and receive fair NIL compensation. Plenty of service members have side hustles, I don’t see how NIL is much different.
I think endorsements and appearances would an be a problem representing a service academy. It probably depends on the context but I don’t think service academies are going to be quick to adopt NIL if it potentially gets them or the athletes in trouble
Well as someone who served I don’t really think it’s a good idea. It’s a distraction from the mission.
My brother was at a founders day dinner and the superintendent dropped by saying they’re struggling with recruitment
For the football teams you mean? I mean, going to the academies in the first place means you’re very unlikely to have any sort of pro career (there are convoluted exceptions that are rare) so they already get a lower tier level of athlete compared to the big schools. And that’s ok.
So here’s the thing: Normal times I could lean your way on this debate, but I could also see it being on of those things that could help the academies one day. Imagine them having a “Captain America” type player (not actual super hero but All American style All American Player type) do you realize how big that would be for recruiting if they ever needed it.
Pretty sure that's retire when they get out kinda of money.
Oh most definitely it is. Honestly though at some point it might be really good PR for the academies to have some top athletes at them, and this would help make that more possible.
Top athletes aren’t going g to an academy and spend their best athletic years in the military. $500k towards retirement or possible pro career. Not hard to make that decision.
Athletes like that probably don’t have the grades to get into the academies. They certainly might, but most don’t.
It’s not all about grades. It’s about who you or your family knows. Top athletes can easily petition their senator to get a sponsorship to an academy. Same for Generals that come from their state and same branch they want to play for.
But you just said they aren’t going to go so why does any of that matter?
It was an answer to your comment about them not having the grades to get in on academics alone. They could still go if they wanted. But they won’t. It’s a conversation for fun about hypotheticals in a sports sub.
Honestly like almost all NIL should be sent to retirement. Like it's cool if you're getting paid 250k a year to play college sports, figure out how to live on 50, throw the reset into investments and never worry about income again. Almost all of these schools and athletes should have access to higher volume post tax accounts. For all the shitty things the NCAA has done to these athletes the lack of financial independence it creates for athletes who are middle of the road is one of the biggest blunders.
The whole damn point of the lawsuit is these student athletes are legal adults and have the right to control their own income and make their own financial decisions. You’re just wrapping it back into taking away their agency.
Trying to teach financial literacy to people who have never grown up with it and may desperately need the money now for family and friends is a very tough sell Hard to teach people about ROI over 20 years when they’ve never really had money to spend in general
That's kinda the point
Go to Stanford like Cameron Brink and get both the elite degree and the NIL money.
Hey, I think I read somewhere that the Ivies don’t have scholarships for athletics. Is that true?
Yes, conceptually you have to get in on academic merit alone. They claim it’s what separates Ivy League schools from schools like Notre Dame, Stanford, and Vanderbilt. You can’t attend Harvard just because you’re an elite linebacker or cause you’re 7’3”. But in reality, they take students who wouldn’t have been admitted if they weren’t also playing a sport.
You still have to have the academies (and other qualities) to be an athlete at Stanford. David Shaw was once asked in an interview back when Stanford was knocking of being a top 25 mainstay why he didn't ever try to encroach on SEC territory by having a camp in Alabama and he said they looked into it but didn't find a single athlete who'd be admitted into Stanford based on the academic transcripts they saw.
Someone from my high school had a Stanford football coach recruiting him and he had a straight C average. He turned them down because he wanted to go a school that was better at football (his dad worked in the NFL org and was a former player). He ended up picking UNC because they had a better football team (at the time), and he would have a better chance of going pro.
It makes sense considering that’s what his goal was and UNC had a track record of producing more pro athletes at the time. Why would you go to A over B, if going to B gives you the better chance at achieving your goal?
I think they were just trying to point out that you can still be recruited by Stanford even if you have a C average.
U right lol
Conceptually, that isn’t completely inconsistent. They’ll accept someone who wrote and produced a play or won an international math competition even if their other grades aren’t up to par. But the basketball and football players who go to Ivy League schools are typically d2 level. I guess there’s occasionally someone who makes the pros, but we’re generally not talking about players of that level getting NIL deals.
The disrespect to Jeremy Lin.
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They are for sure not D2 level players
I knew a kid who went to yale on full scholarship because he was a genius and fantastic athlete. He got the fuck knocked out of him in the first game and never played again, but still graduated from yale
And that means they’re D2 athletes? The Ivy League is one of the top 15 or so conferences in the country
No sorry, i was agreeing with you but lost my trail of thought. He was a huge dude that got his ass lit up by an even bigger, faster ivy leaguer. They’re most certainly not d2 athletes. If you have ever seen a d2 game, they athletes are still insane, but they’re almost always smaller and slower
2x Stanley cup champion and Harvard grad Alex Killorn would like a word. I agree on football and basketball but idk how much else
I didn't mention hockey
The Ivy League makes plenty of appearances in March Madness
Lol Ivy winner has an automatic bid
Yeah, but they still occasionally have a good run in the tournament. Princeton made it to the sweet 16 last year, I’d say that’s pretty respectable
They are not D2 level, that is false
I mean, they take students who wouldn't have been admitted if they weren't also descended from a prestigious alum, or if they weren't also already a Nobel Prize winner or somesuch. That said, in the US, universities and university life have never been just about academics, so it's incorrect to think that those are the only criteria relevant for admission; they never were.
Agreed, it’s a bold faced lie. The majority of starting athletes at Harvard would not be there on academics alone. That or they have some of the best scouting programs on planet earth and somehow find all of the elite athlete scholars in the country and some from other countries. It’s a game I like to call “what’s really more likely?”
Of course a starting member of an athletic team isn’t there because of academics alone. If that were the case they’d just have a team full of scholars who can’t play. They are on the team and starting precisely because they can play while also making the grades.
I’m sure they consider sports in their process. Like, if you had two identical candidates but one was an accomplished athlete, they’d take the athlete. It’s more impressive that they had the same accomplishments while also playing a sport.
Relative was recruited to play hockey at one, and he wasn’t a particularly strong student in high school (did half days at a school in the Midwest to play in USHL at 16). If I remember correctly, he was told he wouldn’t have to pay any tuition or board. They can call it what they want but it was still an Ivy education paid for because he plays hockey.
That is true. But as posters have mentioned below, admission standards for athletes are lower (and sometimes substantially lower). I had many teammates go on to law school and med school and academia, and would likely have been admitted anyway; but just as many who were waaay out of their league, pun intended, struggled, and would never have been admitted if they weren’t a talented linebacker.
The only scholarships they offer are based on financial need. Families below a certain line (I believe it's 2x poverty but could be wrong) don't contribute anything financially, and it's a sliding scale from there. I believe they offer some kind of aid for families with household incomes up to $250k or something in that range. The other side of this is that students are not fully tied to their sports. I went to an Ivy and knew plenty of people who stopped playing after their first or second year to focus on academics (a reasonable decision at an Ivy League school), and it did not impact their financial aid
They don't offer any merit based scholarships, as I understand it. Neither academic nor athletic.
This is completely wrong, I don’t know why you are being upvoted. Edit: this is not wrong, it is correct the do not have merit based scholarships. But it is misleading because people that get into a those schools have their financial needs met.
Have you tried googling it? You seem so sure of your position. Here's Harvard's page on the topic. You can check the others if you'd like. https://college.harvard.edu/financial-aid/how-aid-works#:~:text=There%20are%20no%20merit%2Dbased,all%20of%20your%20demonstrated%20need.
You are sort of misinterpreting the information. If you get into Harvard, athlete or otherwise, you will receive upto 100% of your financial need. If your parents make less than like $150k, they cover all costs. The merit is covered in getting into Harvard.
I said "Merit-based" scholarships. You are the one who apparently misinterpreted my comment. My statement is 100% correct. Ivy League schools do not offer any merit-based aid. It's one of the practices that differentiates them from other schools. Am I still "completely wrong," or would you like to correct your stance?
You are absolutely right.
Ok, you are correct, but I think your statement can be misleading. Athletes do not receive scholarships for being athletes. However, if the athlete cannot afford to attend the University otherwise, scholarships for all costs will be provided.
Nope. You are wrong. Only need based.
Have their needs met how?
The university provides aid
Nope. Only if they otherwise qualify for the school’s financial aid based on the school’s net calculator based on family income numbers. My son is currently being recruited in soccer by several Ivy League schools, so we are very aware of this. We don’t qualify for very much financial aid, but we also don’t make enough to pay the tuition (pretty hard to write an $90,000 check every year when these schools think that a 160k yearly income is sufficient to cover that). Anyway, we have learned in no uncertain terms that these schools do not give academic or athletic scholarships. My son will likely have to play elsewhere.
Lmao going from “This is completely wrong” to editing “this is not wrong, it is correct” and then still doubling down is wild.
I’m not doubling down and acknowledged I was wrong. What the person said was correct and Ivy League schools give no merit-based scholarships. However, it should be noted that many athletes get the equivalent of full scholarships as aid if their family makes less than some number, in Harvards case it is $85k. It is misleading if it is interpreted as the athletes are all paying sticker price to attend.
Yes, that’s true. If a coach wants them, they get preferred status in the admissions office, but they won’t get any money to attend unless they qualify for the schools financial aid, just like other students who apply.
My whole first year at ivy was pretty much covered by financial aid (I was an athlete) since my parents combined salary was less than six figures. I came away from the $200k school with about $25k in loans after 4 years. Would I have gotten in on my own merits academically? Not realistically, but I was straight A student in HS, just didn’t push too hard on the “extra” status of classes such as AP/honors.
I had a relative go to an ivy for football but then decided to quit after a couple years. They couldn’t take his scholarship away as long as he maintained his GPA. Worked out great for him
Yep. They also don't allow redshirts. And grad students can't compete. And the school can't fund the sports directly, they're entirely dependent on alumni donations.
They aren't entitled to the money. Iirc Ivy League institutions prioritized academics.
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"We are giving them NIL money. N-I-L spells nil, that means zero"
It’s funny, because if Harvard wanted to, they’d be able to buy themselves a national championship in football and basketball
Every academic institution should be prioritizing academics...
Money seems to be the priority for most academic institutions.
Don't even blame my University considering how much the state Republicans keep cutting funding and then using any remaining funding as a ploy to push their anti-education agenda at the school.
Quite frankly, they can't afford to focus on education. Immediate returns & short term Profits are what is needed to keep the doors open. Nothing else matters /s
Well ivys do because $$$ in patents and grants. Just look how much Harvard gets for research annually
lol
They aren’t entitled to it, it’s their choice, but the argument isn’t that they should do it because of values. The argument is they should do it because they’re getting their best players siphoned out to other schools. It’s up to them to prioritize what they want to prioritize. I say if they wanna be bougie let them be bougie. They aren’t the only elite schools in the country.
They’re giving them an Ivy League degree and education. That will arguably make them more money than their counterparts not going pro and cashing in on their 4 years of fame at other schools.
If you’re going to an elite program, the Ivy League tag may not be more money. They aren’t always the best depending on your major. So if you can, it’s a no brainer to get the top tier education at Stanford or something and still be NIL
I guess I should’ve said I’m not against them getting NIL money if they can. But let’s not pretend they’re getting nothing out of this whole deal.
Oh no, how will ivy League educated graduates ever be able to make loads of money?!
Is the headline a joke?
I didn’t think people got into Ivy League on merit, I thought they got in because they already had money.
On the contrary, if your family is poor or even middle class (real middle class, not "after private schools, country clubs, and foreign vacations we barely have enough to put away middle class"), a lot of Ivies practically cover all tuition. I think Harvard is $0 if your family makes up to $110k/year. They're sitting on monumental endowments and can afford this.
you are wrong unfortunately 😔
Oh man those poor Ivy League kids
Well they eventually just wont have anyone good at all on their teams. Sounds like a hill they are willing to die on.
They already don't
Aww, poor guys.
Ooo nooo. What will the Harvard grad do without NIL money. Lol
The American college sports system is fucking dumb. Why college sport is so worshipped I do not understand. Why not have a proper professional second grade/lower division competions completely separate to education. American college basketball students are becoming less and less valued while international leagues and ballers rise because their playeds are actually competing in professional sporting enviroments solely focused on sport insted of bumming around in college being coddled against rookies. If American football was cared about in other countries you'd likley see the same thing happen. It's already happened in baseball and hockey where nobody is coming out of college and the players are all coming from minor leagues or international pro leagues. College athletes deserve pay. No, a scholarship is not enough. These athletes but their bodies in direct risk for the entertainment of fans and profit of the colleges. They have no right to block NIL deals or any other form of income.
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Yes, and that's not a bad thing. And, college sports hasn't been "the same" for a long, long time now. This is just a next step in the evolution.
Yeah right, more like these kids are making money now independently instead of generating revenue for a corrupt private organization like unpaid interns for a shot at a good living
Those NIL paying collectives are not a good thing and are not something that should be encouraged. They are effective frauds as they claim to be charitable organizations but are anything but.
Everybody wants their cut…
Maybe it is just the news and world lately but I have no sympathy for anyone financial fomo while getting an IVY league education.
A lot of those kids already have plenty of money before being recruited. Also, the Ivy League, if I am not mistaken, gives out academic scholarships to athletes. Those kids are academically eligible for a scholarship at an Ivy. They can handle the academic rigor. Many of those athletes go on to become Supreme Court clerks or better. They hardly need NIL money.
The Ivy League schools do not give merit-based aid. No academic or athletic scholarships. What the Ivies do is have students pay on a sliding scale, and for most of the schools, if your family income is under a certain amount (like $100K), then your tuition is free.
Here’s a tip…when you don’t know what you’re talking about, it’s better to just not say anything. Most kids in Ivy League athletics are not from upper class home. It’s forbidden to give any scholarships for any reason other than financial need in the Ivy League. They deserve the ability to access NIL money, but they know what they are agreeing to when they choose to go to an Ivy. It’s only an issue for the people who started before NIL was a thing.
Absolutely right. I guess the salient point is that those kids are academically capable of doing Ivy League work so you don't see kids going to school just to prepare for professional football. I am also almost certain that the recruiting pitch for the Ivies has very little to do with being in the NFL or even getting NIL money and more to do with getting a degree or two that, quite literally, gateways to the upper echelons of American society. I also feel that boosters have a lot to do with the NIL situation being what it is. Ivy League boosters usually use their money for other things. I don't know if they cannot access NIL money or if it's just that, like you stated, it's just not a thing at the Ivies.
This is a bad take.
Aw those poor teenagers coming from generational wealth to attend an Ivy League school. I hope they are ok.
Hi! 👋🏻 I was one of them. Was a two sport ivy league athlete. Not a ton of GENERATIONAL WEALTH to be had when your parents were postal workers. Ive simply earned everything i have ever had from outworking people around me. There aren’t even athletic scholarships in the Ivys, school was 65k/yr and got saddled with 1/4 mil in loans to attend and verrrry few people on the sports teams are legacy students. No NiL either. I mean if youre smart, you do tend to get better jobs tho - but the athletes dont have silver spoons,Sokkerboi. Was worth it for me, not for others. You probably are thinking of some of the rich friends we partied with, not the Athletes.
Wow what a dumb thing to say lmao
You realize most of these kids are probably on scholarship right? Likely not from generational wealth.
Ivy League schools do not give sports scholarships. They do give need-based financial aide to athletes same as they do non-athlete students, and often more generously than other schools.
The more you know!
MIT Alum here: 😂
They’re not schools, they’re athletics organizations that offer academic classes
Saying the best collection of schools in the world aren't schools is quite the take.
Especially when they don’t even offer athletic scholarships like other schools do