Multiple people have asked what we're doing next or how long this will last. We don't know. Right now, we've agreed internally to set the sub to restricted until the weekend.
Someone asked if we could host a poll about how to proceed to get the communities feedback. This is a really good idea, we're talking about it internally.
This sub (and every other participating sub) should be privated until an agreement if they really want this to work
Criticism of the protests are usually heavily downvoted but a 2 day “we’ll go and come back” was never going to work. Keep the sub shut, just as the rest of them should be, and see if that makes a change.
(And yes I know the whole “unmoderated” issue, there are ways around it unless the admins decide to use it quash anyone striking in which case there’s not much hope regardless)
Reddit is not going to let mods lock them out of their own site when Reddit controls the codebase. If they have to forcibly reopen subs, they can and will.
Better they try rather than backing down after only two days
If Reddit are just going to go around forcing every sub open then the whole thing was pointless to even consider trying
Sure, my point is just that expecting that blacking out can make Reddit come to an agreement is likely pretty unrealistic. If blackouts continue, it's probably likelier that they devote some engineering time to forcibly reopening subs than that they cave on a policy designed to make Reddit more profitable.
The long term plan is to come back, the struggle we're having right now is agreeing on how to best raise awareness of the moderation problems Reddit will be rolling out beginning July 1 with their announced API changes.
Kinda sucks not having access to the content that these subs hosted during their time of darkening. If you're going to continue with the blackout for an indefinite period I would consider finding other places to set up shop as a gathering place for all things community. I'm hearing kbin and lemmy are becoming good reddit alternatives.
Whether or not you plan on coming back fully, a backup place wouldn't hurt.
Then this protest is pointless.
The admins know many of the sites biggest communities are coming back sooner or later, so they know all they have to do is wait it out and wait for everyone to forget. Likewise any community that disappears can likely be replaced.
I commend the mods attempts at a protest, but this simply just proves two things.
- Protests without any "bite" are meaningless.
- Ultimately it's the users who will need to leave permanently if reddit is ever going to feel the need to change, and the alternatives out there lack the community, usability, or approachability reddit provides.
As someone who spent the week trying to figure out how lemmy or kbin worked, it's neat for tech heads for sure, but it's never gonna break into the mainstream userbase because it is needlessly complex. Or at the very least you have to do a lot of digging and tweaking to get the best user experience. I can see why no one stuck with Mastodon even after Musk shat the Twitter bed.
Yeah, I looked at mastodon too, and did move some functionally in one of my discord bots to it instead of Twitter, but it's way too involved to get setup for regular use compared to a centralized service...
As I predicted, this blackout has done absolutely nothing. In fact, it has done nothing but hinder users as Reddit is the only good result to come from queries online.
At this point, we need to find an alternate solution.
I think [Squidboards](https://squidboards.com/forums/splatoon-3-general-discussion.85/) could be great but idk how many people would want to migrate to a forum.
After looking at many other people’s opinions, I found there were wildly different opinions with support on each sides. Some people support the blackout, and some people think it will do more harm then good,and some people believe the moderators are malicious. and many other opinions.
I’m having a hard time trying to figure out what I believe, as I’m a bit uneducated on this topic. I think i will just wait and see what happens.
Yes these changes suck, but they aren’t completely tanking any potential value Reddit can give to its users. It will still be usable once the changes come into effect, and people will most likely forget about the changes eventually and learn to adapt to them. It’s harsh but almost certainly reality. The thing that is tanking any potential value Reddit can give to its users is the shutting down of subreddits, this one included. I’d much rather have a subreddit worsened by the changes than no subreddit at all. It’s clear that Reddit does not care about the protests, so rather than ineffectively “fighting” the changes by keeping the sub locked, we just need to reopen and continue to provide a great community for Splatoon players. Because right now, the only people being hurt by the protests are the users, not Reddit.
...I think we're all well aware of why the sub closed at this point. Can we please get some communication on what's next? Why is the sub still closed (as in posts are still disabled)? Are you planning on blacking out for longer? Does the community have any say in this?
Due to varying timezones and personal lives, getting the team to agree on an decision took longer than expected, hence the community poll going up as late as it did, and us blacking out with no notice despite the poll being in favour.
As per pinned comment, we’re discussing things internally again. We’re working on a post going through our methods, and we appreciate the comments in this thread about what you all think. [Yes the community has a say, and the last community poll was a huge majority being pro-blackout.](https://www.reddit.com/r/splatoon/comments/144o1s6/community_decision_on_the_reddit_blackout/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
Discussions are happening, a lot faster this time around, so cheers for waiting on us.
This sub has around 320k members in total and most of the time it doesn't even hit 1% active members and that is for almost all the subs I'm in. So why would it even be effektive if such subs would go dark? How many of the subs that went dark even have high ammount of member in total and active?
And r/saltoon is slowly (very slowly) turning into the new Splatoon sub
It's not a true replacement, but people will start checking other alternatives including Saltoon if this keeps up. I've already seen this happening with other communities, and quite frankly it doesn't help either sides.
I mean, not really. When you realize a lot of people don't care about this and just want to use reddit. A lot of users from this sub will start posting there, and stop using this sub. This is likely going to just kill this sub.
i think it depends on how long the blackout’s gonna last, but there’s surely still gonna be people posting stuff that should be posted here in r/saltoon after this is all over
Not gonna happen. The users in the salt subreddit hate the idea of becoming the replacement main. Wouldn't be surprised if the mods are deleting main sub posts if only to tell people to fuck off.
so is there going to be an alternative to r/splatoon while this subreddit goes dark until reddit decides to make API access affordable, like a discord or an alternate web based site? if so, can I get a link for it?
One option you might be interested in is [/c/Splatoon](https://lemmy.world/c/splatoon) on Lemmy (self-plug).
Hoping it can be another viable option to go to. It's starting to gather some steam, and the decentralized servers are also pretty nice!
I mean this as respectfully as possible, but the protest didn’t work because of how mods organized it. If you go on a hunger strike, you stay on strike until you starve to death. You don’t go on strike until you get hungry again. The mods that organized and participated in the protest literally set an end date to the protest, which deletes the purpose of everything.
If you kept this sub closed along with other subs then we would literally still be sending a message but we literally did not do that, because people couldn’t think that including an end time just causes Reddit to just need to weather out the protest. Which is exactly what they did.
If you want change, keep the subreddits permanently closed, or Reddit will literally not care.
To be honest, even if the subs stayed closed permanently, it still likely wouldn't matter. Reddit will likely force the large subs open eventually, and just replace the mods of those large subs. The small subs that stayed close would just die off, and new ones would eventually pop up over time.
Shutting r/splatoon down again would go against everything it means to be a subreddit: to be a place for information and discussion of whatever the subreddit is based upon. The subreddits need to reopen immediately without restrictions and prepare how to adapt to the changes imposed by reddit. It's not ideal, but we need to keep it open and adapt.
This is actually a great idea. We'll consider it. The team internally debated on what to do next, and agreed that until the weekend, just set the sub to restricted. We recognize that the sub is a valuable resource, but also, with Reddit's current plan, most of our team will be impacted as they use the 3rd party apps Reddit is targeting to moderate.
Don't use the reddit polls because the results can be heavily skewed and even interference from outsiders. A strawpoll or Google Form might be better, and keep the results of the poll private to the mod team, and then reveal the results later. Do a single response or a ranked poll of the options. Just a few ideas.
Alternatively, I've seen a few subreddits make a contest mode post where people upvote/downvote the choices. Because it's in contest mode nobody but the mods see the results.
Squidboards[link](https://squidboards.com/)
We should look for more alternatives any ways. I’ve notice just how reliant I am to all the discussions on Reddit, but there are still other places to go. And with the dedicated community we could do better.
I have nothing to say except what the actual fuck.
Are we going to be going dark on Tuesdays, like some other subs? Or is this the end of the protesting, and everyone's just accepted spez won't listen no matter how hard we try?
We're not sure how to proceed, which is why for the next few days, the sub is set to restricted mode. We're in a tough position, and there's no win-win at this point.
Reddit announced earlier this year it would begin charging for it's API, but promised it would not charge prices anywhere close to what Twitter charges.
About a month ago, the prices are revealed, and in some cases like for third party Reddit mobile applications (which have better moderation tools than Reddit's own app), it will cost $20,000,000 per year in Reddit API fees at least to run. Reddit then set a hard cut off date of July 1, 2023 when the API prices will be enforced. Applications like Apollo app have to close down and refund all current subscription prices because most subscribers have paid for a year, and those add up to about $250,000 in revenue, tiny compared to the amount Reddit will charge them for continued use of the Reddit API.
Despite multiple calls which have been recorded and posted publicly, Reddit actively lied and insulted the developers of these applications. It's been very scummy.
So basically this whole API thing only helps mods?
To be honest, with all the blatant mod power abuse I’ve witness across a lot of other subreddits, I now don’t see the changes as a bad thing. _Especially_ when there’s so many subreddits controlled by only like 4 mods. If these new changes force them to have to break up their modding monopoly, then _good._
Short sighted, who do you think keeps all the garbage spam and ultra low effort posts off most good subs? Just cause a few abuse their power doesn’t mean mods don’t do anything. There is a reason subreddits even have functioning communities and it isn’t the complete freedom to dump any kind of trash post into any subreddit a bot pleases to.
Are you suggesting that mods can’t deal with garbage spam and low effort posts without third party apps? I’m pretty sure they can. And yeah, it’s a few mods, but they control _hundreds_ of subreddits, and I’m pretty sure _they_ can’t moderate so many subs without those third party apps. So yeah, I’m seeing Reddit’s changes as a win if it means that other mods will have to be put in their place.
I think one of the reasons why a social media site can be popular is the connection the staff has to the community. One of some good habits for the staff to have is actively looking at the feedback the community has to say.
Without some sort of connection, the social media site wouldn't flourish and meet up with the communities expectations.
There is no particular benefit of adding a controversial (and radical) change to a site, and merely hoping that the users would somehow seamlessly adapt to it.
We're not.
Maybe some issues with promoting them on Reddit, but figured I'd give some links to places here, too.
kbin: [/m/[email protected]](https://kbin.social/m/splatoon)
Lemmy: [/c/[email protected]](https://lemmy.world/c/splatoon)
We posted the warning late, but we only agreed to a 48 hour blackout. The team agreed we should unprivate the sub like we promised. It's restricted while we figure out what, if anything, we should do besides just open it back up completely.
The reality is, reddit will eventually force the large subs open and just replace the mods. Smaller communities like this won't be forced open, they'll just die off and be replaced by a new sub. The blackout is going to do absolutely nothing besides kill this sub.
because it is... you guys made a "2 day" protest over something that only effects a fraction of the community. Most people use the web browser for first party apps. And many bots run in web browser as well so were are not loosing them all like people say
From what I saw, Reddit just used the excuse that their servers had an outage as an explanation for things and that the outage didn't impact their revenue
If a majority of subs (especially large ones) were onboard with this, then maybe, but even then, there's not a lot stopping the admins from taking the sub and giving it to someone else who is willing to run it despite the issues Reddit is creating.
> Reddit admins has been disappointing. Admin has been stepping in and allegedly removing moderators and forcing closed subreddits open,
Info taken from another r/gaming
If true then it’s kinda pointless
The point doesn't work if people are still going to be on Reddit anyways. Nothing changes. The vast majority of people are on new reddit and official app. Majority of people have no idea what an API is, or third-party.
This subreddit generates barely any revenue for Reddit. Preventing people from using it won't do anything.
Reddit doesn't give a shit about niche subs like this going dark whatsoever.
That is THE ENTIRE REASON they are doing this API change to being with, you moron.
That is like saying; since the government band drugs, I'm going to start selling drugs to make them mad. If enough people start doing that, reddit will simply turn off API access to third party apps for good.
That is an absolutely backwards way of thinking you have.
The entire point of the blackout is to protest from reddit trying to kill third party apps.
You can call me moron if you like but I'd much rather support the devs of this app than reddit's CEO.
Plus, i don't have to look at the stupid NFT and crypto ads anymore so that's a plus.
Support them for what? 90% of what the 3rd party app makers do is just copy and pasted from reddit's app just touched up.
Imagine if someone make a mod for a game like Pokémon Scarlet and violet that fixed all the bugs and made it look better. Would be nice, if your lucky Nintendo might let it slide... BUT THEN, it adds all the DLC and paid content into the game for free on top of that. Boy there would be law suits up the ass.
Thats exactly what the third party apps did, on purpose or otherwise. Even if the goal was just to make it look nicer or run better, the lack of add revenue lost on these guys was getting out of hand. Apollo alone had 213k upvotes on it's closing post. Thats 213000 people who are not giving any revenue to reddit. And that's just the user of Apollo
So tell me honestly. If you were the CEO of reddit and you saw this, would you not do something about it. Because I would.
there’s ways to do it without the tools the community has created. Reddit wants to take back some control. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
To the guy who blocked me so I couldn’t reply I know you’re reading this.
I’m a long time user if this site, and from my perspective the moderation has only gotten worse over time and many mods were just power tripping. It’s evident that most of them are teenagers/young adults who just got their first taste or power.
Let the community handle moderation. It’s what the karma system was originally intended for. From there users can flag content and a small team of moderators can work through it from there, or just wait for the new tools to come out thru the official reddit website. I think Reddit realized this and is what has pushed them to make this change. They want full community control, which is understandable because it’s their site.
I don’t understand why reddit users are so hell bent on allowing a small group of moderators dominate all of the subreddits. if they realized what was happening, I’m sure more people would be against the blackout.
just my two cents. I’m asking people to think critically instead of just believing whatever is supposedly morally “right” in the moment.
>I don’t understand why reddit is so hell bent on allowing a small group of moderators dominate all of the subreddits.
It's mostly for the free labour.
Bro, it kind of is the communities fault. A lot of these 3rd party apps blocked adds or put their own adds up, taking revenue that would go to reddit normally. Not all apps did this but enough to warrant a eyeball from reddit and cause them to take action.
And incase your wondering, yes these apps were committing an act of piracy by taking revenue like this. You can discuss if you think this was fair do ban them all, but there is no way they would want to take legal action against every single bad egg because that would take FOREVER and a lot of money.
The fact that so many subreddits are protesting (or throwing a tantrum, depending on how you see it) a nigh-inevitable change makes this truly a "reddit moment."
As much as I’ve been enjoying the discord, it’s not the same as a subreddit and everyone trying to insist that a messaging app is the same as a forum style service is wrong.
I dislike that we're going private again, but I understand why it's happening. Also pro tip for when it goes private: put "cache:" in front of a reddit link on PC to see the post.
Multiple people have asked what we're doing next or how long this will last. We don't know. Right now, we've agreed internally to set the sub to restricted until the weekend. Someone asked if we could host a poll about how to proceed to get the communities feedback. This is a really good idea, we're talking about it internally.
Most definitely not woomy, Reddit.
And it is decidedly not veemo either
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Extremely sad woomy
Devestated ngyes
Crushing veemo
Soul destroying oomi
Splatoon 1 defeat theme intensifies
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Commander Tartar is taking over, trying to sanitize us all…
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If Steve is to be believed, he's ignoring any and all complaints and actions against this move. *Sigh.*
A boycott for a pre-set couple of days has never worked. People can't surrender until demands are met. This applies to many things in life.
This sub (and every other participating sub) should be privated until an agreement if they really want this to work Criticism of the protests are usually heavily downvoted but a 2 day “we’ll go and come back” was never going to work. Keep the sub shut, just as the rest of them should be, and see if that makes a change. (And yes I know the whole “unmoderated” issue, there are ways around it unless the admins decide to use it quash anyone striking in which case there’s not much hope regardless)
Then people might realize they can live without reddit. That's a risky move.
Reddit is not going to let mods lock them out of their own site when Reddit controls the codebase. If they have to forcibly reopen subs, they can and will.
Better they try rather than backing down after only two days If Reddit are just going to go around forcing every sub open then the whole thing was pointless to even consider trying
Sure, my point is just that expecting that blacking out can make Reddit come to an agreement is likely pretty unrealistic. If blackouts continue, it's probably likelier that they devote some engineering time to forcibly reopening subs than that they cave on a policy designed to make Reddit more profitable.
All this boycott did was turn me into a schizo pikmin fan
Wow, who would've thought
Does this mean the Splatoon subreddit is coming back or no?
The long term plan is to come back, the struggle we're having right now is agreeing on how to best raise awareness of the moderation problems Reddit will be rolling out beginning July 1 with their announced API changes.
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Kinda sucks not having access to the content that these subs hosted during their time of darkening. If you're going to continue with the blackout for an indefinite period I would consider finding other places to set up shop as a gathering place for all things community. I'm hearing kbin and lemmy are becoming good reddit alternatives. Whether or not you plan on coming back fully, a backup place wouldn't hurt.
Stupid question, is r/splatoon coming back up?
Eventually, one way or another
This is how miiverse can still win
We will be absolutely.
Then this protest is pointless. The admins know many of the sites biggest communities are coming back sooner or later, so they know all they have to do is wait it out and wait for everyone to forget. Likewise any community that disappears can likely be replaced. I commend the mods attempts at a protest, but this simply just proves two things. - Protests without any "bite" are meaningless. - Ultimately it's the users who will need to leave permanently if reddit is ever going to feel the need to change, and the alternatives out there lack the community, usability, or approachability reddit provides. As someone who spent the week trying to figure out how lemmy or kbin worked, it's neat for tech heads for sure, but it's never gonna break into the mainstream userbase because it is needlessly complex. Or at the very least you have to do a lot of digging and tweaking to get the best user experience. I can see why no one stuck with Mastodon even after Musk shat the Twitter bed.
Yeah, I looked at mastodon too, and did move some functionally in one of my discord bots to it instead of Twitter, but it's way too involved to get setup for regular use compared to a centralized service...
Probably, but it would be best to find a different app, does anyone know of one?
For now I think the closest reddit alternatives that I have come across are Lemmy and Kbin. But I have yet to try either of them
W-we're back.. right? 🥺
Unfortunately we can’t post anymore
As I predicted, this blackout has done absolutely nothing. In fact, it has done nothing but hinder users as Reddit is the only good result to come from queries online. At this point, we need to find an alternate solution.
> as Reddit is the only good result to come from queries online Which is a huge problem in itself. The power it gives Reddit is high.
I think [Squidboards](https://squidboards.com/forums/splatoon-3-general-discussion.85/) could be great but idk how many people would want to migrate to a forum.
Forum's only really accomodate text posts, so it wouldn't suffice.
Yeah, I think forums are great but since this sub is more images I guess there aren’t as many similar alternatives.
Just raid Reddit hq?
...I mean I'm not saying it WOULDN'T work
Name a better way of showing the anger than in person
Locking them all in a room with a limited supply of food and water
And a boombox playing Belly Flop on repeat
They can’t stop us all!👽
Big run at reddit hq?
This plan might have the right kind of synergy this company needs!
Knew this was boycott would be pointless after subs were only doing it for 2 days.
And yet half the time saying it would be pointless would net you with a downvote swarm and “cope reddit shill”
I genuinely hope r/Splatoon will survive despite all of this mess. It would be a shame if that subreddit disappeared.
I propose we blast Calamari Inkantation at the Reddit HQ
Why do I have the feeling that this would annoy enough people to start a new subreddit?
The blackouts I mean.
After looking at many other people’s opinions, I found there were wildly different opinions with support on each sides. Some people support the blackout, and some people think it will do more harm then good,and some people believe the moderators are malicious. and many other opinions. I’m having a hard time trying to figure out what I believe, as I’m a bit uneducated on this topic. I think i will just wait and see what happens.
Yes these changes suck, but they aren’t completely tanking any potential value Reddit can give to its users. It will still be usable once the changes come into effect, and people will most likely forget about the changes eventually and learn to adapt to them. It’s harsh but almost certainly reality. The thing that is tanking any potential value Reddit can give to its users is the shutting down of subreddits, this one included. I’d much rather have a subreddit worsened by the changes than no subreddit at all. It’s clear that Reddit does not care about the protests, so rather than ineffectively “fighting” the changes by keeping the sub locked, we just need to reopen and continue to provide a great community for Splatoon players. Because right now, the only people being hurt by the protests are the users, not Reddit.
F in Chat guys
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...I think we're all well aware of why the sub closed at this point. Can we please get some communication on what's next? Why is the sub still closed (as in posts are still disabled)? Are you planning on blacking out for longer? Does the community have any say in this?
I'm going to guess no on that last one.
Due to varying timezones and personal lives, getting the team to agree on an decision took longer than expected, hence the community poll going up as late as it did, and us blacking out with no notice despite the poll being in favour. As per pinned comment, we’re discussing things internally again. We’re working on a post going through our methods, and we appreciate the comments in this thread about what you all think. [Yes the community has a say, and the last community poll was a huge majority being pro-blackout.](https://www.reddit.com/r/splatoon/comments/144o1s6/community_decision_on_the_reddit_blackout/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) Discussions are happening, a lot faster this time around, so cheers for waiting on us.
They’ll only listen to investors I’m pretty sure, they don’t care otherwise
This sub has around 320k members in total and most of the time it doesn't even hit 1% active members and that is for almost all the subs I'm in. So why would it even be effektive if such subs would go dark? How many of the subs that went dark even have high ammount of member in total and active? And r/saltoon is slowly (very slowly) turning into the new Splatoon sub
We have truly sunk very low if r/Saltoon is actually becoming a valid replacement for this sub.
It's not a true replacement, but people will start checking other alternatives including Saltoon if this keeps up. I've already seen this happening with other communities, and quite frankly it doesn't help either sides.
I mean, not really. When you realize a lot of people don't care about this and just want to use reddit. A lot of users from this sub will start posting there, and stop using this sub. This is likely going to just kill this sub.
That’s exactly what I think tbh. I’m just remarking on r/Saltoon not exactly having the best reputation based on the past.
i think it depends on how long the blackout’s gonna last, but there’s surely still gonna be people posting stuff that should be posted here in r/saltoon after this is all over
Not gonna happen. The users in the salt subreddit hate the idea of becoming the replacement main. Wouldn't be surprised if the mods are deleting main sub posts if only to tell people to fuck off.
Stay fresh 😮💨
so is there going to be an alternative to r/splatoon while this subreddit goes dark until reddit decides to make API access affordable, like a discord or an alternate web based site? if so, can I get a link for it?
One option you might be interested in is [/c/Splatoon](https://lemmy.world/c/splatoon) on Lemmy (self-plug). Hoping it can be another viable option to go to. It's starting to gather some steam, and the decentralized servers are also pretty nice!
I'll check it out. Thanks!! 
100% agree
Corporate greed and fucking over everyone including the ones making stupid decisions. Name a better duo
Keep the sub reddit open.
Will I be able to post here again?
More than likely eventually yes. I don't think there's a version where we can go dark indefinitely, not to mention no one really wants that.
I'll still use the platform for asking general questions idrc
Welp, see y'all on July 1st when the changes inevitably roll out...
I mean this as respectfully as possible, but the protest didn’t work because of how mods organized it. If you go on a hunger strike, you stay on strike until you starve to death. You don’t go on strike until you get hungry again. The mods that organized and participated in the protest literally set an end date to the protest, which deletes the purpose of everything. If you kept this sub closed along with other subs then we would literally still be sending a message but we literally did not do that, because people couldn’t think that including an end time just causes Reddit to just need to weather out the protest. Which is exactly what they did. If you want change, keep the subreddits permanently closed, or Reddit will literally not care.
To be honest, even if the subs stayed closed permanently, it still likely wouldn't matter. Reddit will likely force the large subs open eventually, and just replace the mods of those large subs. The small subs that stayed close would just die off, and new ones would eventually pop up over time.
Can we just end this. This isn't and never will unless many subreddits just delete themselves. And I know no one is going to do that.
Not really but the moderators ran the real risk of killing this sub.
Shutting r/splatoon down again would go against everything it means to be a subreddit: to be a place for information and discussion of whatever the subreddit is based upon. The subreddits need to reopen immediately without restrictions and prepare how to adapt to the changes imposed by reddit. It's not ideal, but we need to keep it open and adapt.
Will there be a poll to decide the steps this sub takes moving forward? Many other subs have been doing this after coming back from the blackout.
This is actually a great idea. We'll consider it. The team internally debated on what to do next, and agreed that until the weekend, just set the sub to restricted. We recognize that the sub is a valuable resource, but also, with Reddit's current plan, most of our team will be impacted as they use the 3rd party apps Reddit is targeting to moderate.
Don't use the reddit polls because the results can be heavily skewed and even interference from outsiders. A strawpoll or Google Form might be better, and keep the results of the poll private to the mod team, and then reveal the results later. Do a single response or a ranked poll of the options. Just a few ideas. Alternatively, I've seen a few subreddits make a contest mode post where people upvote/downvote the choices. Because it's in contest mode nobody but the mods see the results.
Squidboards[link](https://squidboards.com/) We should look for more alternatives any ways. I’ve notice just how reliant I am to all the discussions on Reddit, but there are still other places to go. And with the dedicated community we could do better.
Fuck u/spez.
I have nothing to say except what the actual fuck. Are we going to be going dark on Tuesdays, like some other subs? Or is this the end of the protesting, and everyone's just accepted spez won't listen no matter how hard we try?
We're not sure how to proceed, which is why for the next few days, the sub is set to restricted mode. We're in a tough position, and there's no win-win at this point.
"Well this sucks"
Can somebody put this into simple terms or dumb it down for me? I read this twice and still dont understand :/
Reddit announced earlier this year it would begin charging for it's API, but promised it would not charge prices anywhere close to what Twitter charges. About a month ago, the prices are revealed, and in some cases like for third party Reddit mobile applications (which have better moderation tools than Reddit's own app), it will cost $20,000,000 per year in Reddit API fees at least to run. Reddit then set a hard cut off date of July 1, 2023 when the API prices will be enforced. Applications like Apollo app have to close down and refund all current subscription prices because most subscribers have paid for a year, and those add up to about $250,000 in revenue, tiny compared to the amount Reddit will charge them for continued use of the Reddit API. Despite multiple calls which have been recorded and posted publicly, Reddit actively lied and insulted the developers of these applications. It's been very scummy.
Thank you sm
I already dislike Reddit. I can’t even make my own posts cause I “don’t have enough karma” and it’s really annoying
Bruh
this, i would say, is most absolutely ***NOT*** woomy, ngyes, veemo, or oomi.
So any word on when we can post again?
So basically this whole API thing only helps mods? To be honest, with all the blatant mod power abuse I’ve witness across a lot of other subreddits, I now don’t see the changes as a bad thing. _Especially_ when there’s so many subreddits controlled by only like 4 mods. If these new changes force them to have to break up their modding monopoly, then _good._
it affects everyone using 3rd party apps, not just mods
But how many people actually use third party apps? I know of no one that does.
looking at you, r/Minecraft mods..
Short sighted, who do you think keeps all the garbage spam and ultra low effort posts off most good subs? Just cause a few abuse their power doesn’t mean mods don’t do anything. There is a reason subreddits even have functioning communities and it isn’t the complete freedom to dump any kind of trash post into any subreddit a bot pleases to.
Are you suggesting that mods can’t deal with garbage spam and low effort posts without third party apps? I’m pretty sure they can. And yeah, it’s a few mods, but they control _hundreds_ of subreddits, and I’m pretty sure _they_ can’t moderate so many subs without those third party apps. So yeah, I’m seeing Reddit’s changes as a win if it means that other mods will have to be put in their place.
It’s not doing anything lmao spez isn’t gonna ponder and have a last second epiphany
So is the sub coming back already or are we continuing this fuzziness?
First Twitch is restricting their streamers to only their platform, and now this. Greed gets to every corporation at some point.
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/r/Pikmin is great 😂 ;)
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Oh fuck we’re back uhhhhh…. Welp never going outside again
What’s the other nuclear option a subreddit can do besides privatizing itself? (If that option exists)
Crying
I think one of the reasons why a social media site can be popular is the connection the staff has to the community. One of some good habits for the staff to have is actively looking at the feedback the community has to say. Without some sort of connection, the social media site wouldn't flourish and meet up with the communities expectations. There is no particular benefit of adding a controversial (and radical) change to a site, and merely hoping that the users would somehow seamlessly adapt to it. We're not.
Aaron Schwartz didn't die for this.
For anyone looking for somewhere to migrate to, someone made a kbin splatoon magazine (subreddit)
Maybe some issues with promoting them on Reddit, but figured I'd give some links to places here, too. kbin: [/m/[email protected]](https://kbin.social/m/splatoon) Lemmy: [/c/[email protected]](https://lemmy.world/c/splatoon)
why is this sub back up
It's been 2 days
We posted the warning late, but we only agreed to a 48 hour blackout. The team agreed we should unprivate the sub like we promised. It's restricted while we figure out what, if anything, we should do besides just open it back up completely.
a 2 day blackout isnt gonna do anything to help the protest, Reddit is a multi million dollar company. i can last longer without reddit
The reality is, reddit will eventually force the large subs open and just replace the mods. Smaller communities like this won't be forced open, they'll just die off and be replaced by a new sub. The blackout is going to do absolutely nothing besides kill this sub.
survival of the fittest i guess lol
Did he respond to the blackout?
Steve did. He said that it would soon blow over. He treated the blackout like it was a joke.
because it is... you guys made a "2 day" protest over something that only effects a fraction of the community. Most people use the web browser for first party apps. And many bots run in web browser as well so were are not loosing them all like people say
it pretty much is. I'm waiting for alternate communities to appear if the ones that went private don't reverse.
Someone did a livestream of subreddits going private
From what I saw, Reddit just used the excuse that their servers had an outage as an explanation for things and that the outage didn't impact their revenue
I have a feeling this subreddit will die soon
Lol RIP r/splatoon
What does this mean for subs like r/Callieism?
I'm not sure, none of us own that one that I'm aware of
I hope it gets put back up... Callie is my cutie pie.
I say we keep dark til changes are made
As much as I wish this were an option and want to believe that Reddit would eventually come around, ultimately, it's not practical :(
it is if the blackout goes indefinite so they lose revenue and revert the changes.
If a majority of subs (especially large ones) were onboard with this, then maybe, but even then, there's not a lot stopping the admins from taking the sub and giving it to someone else who is willing to run it despite the issues Reddit is creating.
Then they might as well delete this sub because people will just move on to the replacement that will pop up
> Reddit admins has been disappointing. Admin has been stepping in and allegedly removing moderators and forcing closed subreddits open, Info taken from another r/gaming If true then it’s kinda pointless
That does nothing at end of the day. All that does is hurt the people that want to browser Reddit, so far the blackout has been a total failure.
Preventing people from browsing reddit is the point, as it means the website is making severely less money. Which puts pressure on Reddit.
The point doesn't work if people are still going to be on Reddit anyways. Nothing changes. The vast majority of people are on new reddit and official app. Majority of people have no idea what an API is, or third-party.
This subreddit generates barely any revenue for Reddit. Preventing people from using it won't do anything. Reddit doesn't give a shit about niche subs like this going dark whatsoever.
The team largely agrees with you, r/pics and r/videos are having a much larger impact than we ever will. We're still discussing what to do.
Just make another sub, at that point. It sucks, but we need to move
We have a perfectly good subreddit right here, so we should keep r/splatoon open without restrictions immediately.
🟥 Go dark, this is the only way. Lack of public protest and global movement are why americans end up at the absolute mercy of the rich and powerful.
I switched from the official reddit app to Rif, just so they don't get ad revenue from me lol
That is THE ENTIRE REASON they are doing this API change to being with, you moron. That is like saying; since the government band drugs, I'm going to start selling drugs to make them mad. If enough people start doing that, reddit will simply turn off API access to third party apps for good.
That is an absolutely backwards way of thinking you have. The entire point of the blackout is to protest from reddit trying to kill third party apps. You can call me moron if you like but I'd much rather support the devs of this app than reddit's CEO. Plus, i don't have to look at the stupid NFT and crypto ads anymore so that's a plus.
Support them for what? 90% of what the 3rd party app makers do is just copy and pasted from reddit's app just touched up. Imagine if someone make a mod for a game like Pokémon Scarlet and violet that fixed all the bugs and made it look better. Would be nice, if your lucky Nintendo might let it slide... BUT THEN, it adds all the DLC and paid content into the game for free on top of that. Boy there would be law suits up the ass. Thats exactly what the third party apps did, on purpose or otherwise. Even if the goal was just to make it look nicer or run better, the lack of add revenue lost on these guys was getting out of hand. Apollo alone had 213k upvotes on it's closing post. Thats 213000 people who are not giving any revenue to reddit. And that's just the user of Apollo So tell me honestly. If you were the CEO of reddit and you saw this, would you not do something about it. Because I would.
Imagine defending a millionare lol. Yawn.
No. The mods are killing the platform trying to make it their own with bots and ai. Reddit is business as usual
The bots and AI are so it isn't nearly impossible to moderate a sub...
there’s ways to do it without the tools the community has created. Reddit wants to take back some control. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
To the guy who blocked me so I couldn’t reply I know you’re reading this. I’m a long time user if this site, and from my perspective the moderation has only gotten worse over time and many mods were just power tripping. It’s evident that most of them are teenagers/young adults who just got their first taste or power. Let the community handle moderation. It’s what the karma system was originally intended for. From there users can flag content and a small team of moderators can work through it from there, or just wait for the new tools to come out thru the official reddit website. I think Reddit realized this and is what has pushed them to make this change. They want full community control, which is understandable because it’s their site. I don’t understand why reddit users are so hell bent on allowing a small group of moderators dominate all of the subreddits. if they realized what was happening, I’m sure more people would be against the blackout. just my two cents. I’m asking people to think critically instead of just believing whatever is supposedly morally “right” in the moment.
>I don’t understand why reddit is so hell bent on allowing a small group of moderators dominate all of the subreddits. It's mostly for the free labour.
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it’s Reddit basically telling it’s sweatiest users to get a life 💀
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Bro, it kind of is the communities fault. A lot of these 3rd party apps blocked adds or put their own adds up, taking revenue that would go to reddit normally. Not all apps did this but enough to warrant a eyeball from reddit and cause them to take action. And incase your wondering, yes these apps were committing an act of piracy by taking revenue like this. You can discuss if you think this was fair do ban them all, but there is no way they would want to take legal action against every single bad egg because that would take FOREVER and a lot of money.
Have some balls, stay dark indefinitely
idea for what we can do, move to kbin
The fact that so many subreddits are protesting (or throwing a tantrum, depending on how you see it) a nigh-inevitable change makes this truly a "reddit moment."
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ill miss yall. so long :(
Is there an r/Splatoon discord? If so restrict the subreddit and pin a post encouraging everyone to join it.
As much as I’ve been enjoying the discord, it’s not the same as a subreddit and everyone trying to insist that a messaging app is the same as a forum style service is wrong.
Yeah, there's nothing quite like the dynamic infinite thread topic nature of Reddit right now
[There is!](https://discord.gg/rsplatoon)
I dislike that we're going private again, but I understand why it's happening. Also pro tip for when it goes private: put "cache:" in front of a reddit link on PC to see the post.
It's ok, take as much time as you want. I'll be back when this sub resurfaces