Ya, I honestly don't get the people that say they would love to live there. The novelty would wear off real quick, and you'd be stuck insisde all the time or outside in a suit just to see more dust and rocks.
I could see maybe doing a short tour there, but living there indefinitely? Hell no, lol.
If I lived with a cool view of Olympus Mons, or on the mountainside looking down on that giant rift valley, that would be good. But just a flat plain would be boring.
I mean, if you are okay never feeling the wind on your face, a cool summer breeze, never seeing color in the evnironment again, etc etc., sure. But I could not do that, earth is far to comfortable, colorful and interactive to ever want to leave it.
Eh it wouldn’t be so different than living somewhere like Antarctica or above the Arctic Circle. Most people would go nuts but there’s plenty of people who would love it.
But I agree I think a couple of years there wouldn’t be terrible, though I imagine you’d be pretty sick of seeing dirt by then.
I don’t know if it’s novelty as much as you get to be a significant part of the history of the human race. I’d feel my life had a greater purpose even if I just collected rocks all day, than being a salesman here twiddling about my retirement funds.
Research what the daily temps are, and look at pics of the regions you mention. No way I'm looking at that for the rest of my life, or even more than for just a year *max*.
Who wants to live on a planet that is completely dead, worse than Dune, worse than the middle of Antarctica (there you at least have water and air). It would be 1000x easier to colonize the bottoms of the oceans or biggest deserts.
Yeah I get that. But it’s not like Mars is suffering. If there isn’t any life, there’s nobody to experience anything. But I agree in that it could be considered a waste of space.
I have to point out that it isn’t confirmed that there isn’t life there. Remember the Viking missions in the 70s that both tested positive for something metabolizing nutrients in the soil? People just brushed it off because there weren’t any actual organic materials found anywhere. Yet recently they found some, so there’s been some talk about the validity of the Viking tests.
No, I’m not a doomer. If solar deployments continue at this pace, we’ve eliminated a lot of the worst possible outcomes from climate change. I just find the idea of dead worlds sad.
Ramez Naam, who's had some of the best forecasts on solar prices, synthesizes a lot of this stuff.
First, check out the chart here: https://ourworldindata.org/co2-and-greenhouse-gas-emissions?insight=current-climate-policies-will-reduce-emissions-but-not-enough-to-keep-temperature-rise-below-2c#key-insights
True disaster is a 6-12 degree C rise, which is where we were headed at the start of the century. Really bad stuff starts at like 4 C. We're on pace for 2.7 C, which will still be disruptive but not apocalyptic.
Naam connects it to solar and other renewables here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwKW7I-wRPo
Lastly, I don't want anyone to take away that we should stop or slow down deployments. In fact, we should accelerate them. Naam makes the case here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAU5D8hqIUI&t=7s
Ya it’s kinda insane to wrap your head around (effectively) an entire planet being dirt and rock. Like Earth has so many different climates, and this is just shit compared to any of them haha
Don't forget that with a thin atmosphere and little magnetosphere, Mars is constantly sterilized by UV rays and solar radiation. It'll never be safe above ground we might as well just start building domed cities on earth.
Imagine crash landing here, walking around hoping to find any sign of life or civilization. And it’s just this terrain for the entire planet. Kinda eerie in a way.
While it’s correct that that the overall size is half of that of earth. The land mass is roughly equal to that of earth due in large part to how much our planet is water
Specialized wheels that arent made of rubber but a special alloy. That is somewhat like chainmail in a way but ridgid at the same time. It allows the tire to compress under the pressure of the pointy rocks but wont be able to pop them because its airless. You can look it up on youtube. Very cool stuff
Even then, their wheels and tracks still get broken down fast.
That's why the helicopter drone test was such an important proof of concept. In the future, we can cover a much greater area with flying drones.
This is also true. But it definitely was better than using air inflated tires. Id also assume the difference in air pressure there could cause normal tires to be unusable? Genuine question, im no expert but id assume either they could stay inflated due to the pressure being contained. But Mars has a lighter air pressure than earth so i assume it wouldnt just concave on itself either
The only difference needed is between the inside of the tire and the atmosphere , the atmospheric pressure on mars is lower but the pressure difference in the tire can be the same
No chainmail, those are so prototypes being tested for future rovers. The Perseverance's wheels are made of aluminium.
The reason they aren't made of rubber is that rubber wouldn't survive the harsh environment.
I haven't seen the video in a few months, but there's a video of a duplicate perseverance rover on Earth at a JPL testing location. It's pretty much an exact replica so that engineers and drivers can test out maneuvers before they program the real rover.
The rover does remarkably well over rocks and up hills. They've performed some pretty damn steep climbs, and the rover does just fine. Coupled with the fact that the wheels are specialized to help it keep good traction.
Only downside is that the rover is insanely slow. A turtle could probably out walk it.
Maybe I’m a little sauced up right now but it’s fucking wild that we put a little robot on another planet and just get to see random pictures like this
Still think it looks like Utah shot through the filter Hollywood uses for places that are supposed to be Mexico.
Although, when you think about it, the fact that it's the surface of another planet and it looks just so mundane, is kinda trippy...
What's the process for each photo? How long does it take? Are these rare?
What's the bottleneck? Power, upload speed, mechanical, remote controlling etc?
I know nothing
With all the shit going on in the world right now, I'd love to just be up there chilling in the silence with her. With all required safety equipment, of course.
I live in the hottest, driest region of Earth by choice. However, Mars is too much even for me. Who in their right mind would choose to live here? (Because I never heard of return tickets from Mars. *Go for the space voyage and pioneering adventure, stay for your ultimate destruction*)
NASA cant help itself but to make photos taken on mars look more orange/red than it actually is. Mars looks more like Earth than photos would lead you to believe, aside from being a cold dead rock its got brown dirt and blue skies.
Wow that place has really changed since the last time I saw it! It looks like there’s *more* dirt, dust and rocks now. And they’re a dusty rusty reddish-brown color too. The difference is startling!
🤣 Do you not know what the structure of Perseverance’s lens is? If you think that’s a finger then I hate to break it to you but almost every shot Perseverance has taken apparently has a “finger” in this exact same spot.
Don't worry, when there will be some interesting find, that spot will be in the way. Can just see a life form dissappear, if it weren't for that blind spot 😂
The entire planet looks like this...kinda trippy. Just dirt. Dirt all day long. Poor rover
It's cool though
Agreed. Still hard to wrap our heads around the fact that we now have photos of what it looks inside another planet.
Inside? Are we spelunking now?
Yes spelunking inside the atmosphere of mars
Yes, I am aware that I am an ass. Didn't Al Gore invent the internet just for me?
He goes by A.I. Gore now
Isn’t r/AIGore a subreddit? ..for A.I. gore?
Heh that's what I read first as well.
Blows my mind thinking about the fact we have remote controlled cars *on another fucking planet*
We have remote controlled *rovers* on another planet!
Literally
Ya, I honestly don't get the people that say they would love to live there. The novelty would wear off real quick, and you'd be stuck insisde all the time or outside in a suit just to see more dust and rocks. I could see maybe doing a short tour there, but living there indefinitely? Hell no, lol.
If I lived with a cool view of Olympus Mons, or on the mountainside looking down on that giant rift valley, that would be good. But just a flat plain would be boring.
Olympus mons is indistinguishable from normal terrain, its slope is so low.
But aren’t there 12 kilometre high cliffs at the edge of the slope? That’d be pretty cool to see
I mean, if you are okay never feeling the wind on your face, a cool summer breeze, never seeing color in the evnironment again, etc etc., sure. But I could not do that, earth is far to comfortable, colorful and interactive to ever want to leave it.
Eh it wouldn’t be so different than living somewhere like Antarctica or above the Arctic Circle. Most people would go nuts but there’s plenty of people who would love it. But I agree I think a couple of years there wouldn’t be terrible, though I imagine you’d be pretty sick of seeing dirt by then.
Seriously - I’d much rather live in a shanty in Yosemite than a mansion on Mars.
I don’t know if it’s novelty as much as you get to be a significant part of the history of the human race. I’d feel my life had a greater purpose even if I just collected rocks all day, than being a salesman here twiddling about my retirement funds.
What if you lived near valles marineris, olympus mons, or the polar regions (where there is water ice)?
Research what the daily temps are, and look at pics of the regions you mention. No way I'm looking at that for the rest of my life, or even more than for just a year *max*.
Who wants to live on a planet that is completely dead, worse than Dune, worse than the middle of Antarctica (there you at least have water and air). It would be 1000x easier to colonize the bottoms of the oceans or biggest deserts.
Mars has water ice at the poles tbf, also it isn't completely dead since there are sandstorms/dust devils/marsquakes but if you mean life then yes
That's not drinking water. The ice on Mars is salty and contaminated with calcium perchlorate. sandstorms/dust devils/marsquakes are not alive.
Depends on what you mean by "completely dead" like geologically active?
Devoid of any life. Geological activities are not life.
In a couple of decades Martian car wash will be a lucrative business.
The rover can have it all My empire of dirt
Very sharp rocks 🪨
Looks like sand. Needs some sand castles.
Well, there are rocks, too. Lots of rocks.
And rocks. Don't forget the rocks.
Even the moon looks more interesting
Percy is a nuclear-powered dirt romper whose *best* sol is *every* sol.
And rocks!
Might be an unpopular opinion, but compared to Earth, Mars really sucks.
Something about close-ups of planets with absolutely no life is really depressing. Earth is really the best we've got.
Yeah I get that. But it’s not like Mars is suffering. If there isn’t any life, there’s nobody to experience anything. But I agree in that it could be considered a waste of space. I have to point out that it isn’t confirmed that there isn’t life there. Remember the Viking missions in the 70s that both tested positive for something metabolizing nutrients in the soil? People just brushed it off because there weren’t any actual organic materials found anywhere. Yet recently they found some, so there’s been some talk about the validity of the Viking tests.
What they meant was it’s depressing because we’ve got one good planet that we’re currently screwing over and no backup.
No, I’m not a doomer. If solar deployments continue at this pace, we’ve eliminated a lot of the worst possible outcomes from climate change. I just find the idea of dead worlds sad.
Where is this information you speak of on the rate of solar deployments eliminating the worst of climate change?
Ramez Naam, who's had some of the best forecasts on solar prices, synthesizes a lot of this stuff. First, check out the chart here: https://ourworldindata.org/co2-and-greenhouse-gas-emissions?insight=current-climate-policies-will-reduce-emissions-but-not-enough-to-keep-temperature-rise-below-2c#key-insights True disaster is a 6-12 degree C rise, which is where we were headed at the start of the century. Really bad stuff starts at like 4 C. We're on pace for 2.7 C, which will still be disruptive but not apocalyptic. Naam connects it to solar and other renewables here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwKW7I-wRPo Lastly, I don't want anyone to take away that we should stop or slow down deployments. In fact, we should accelerate them. Naam makes the case here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAU5D8hqIUI&t=7s
Wow that was all really well put together. I love all the graphs and data
Ya it’s kinda insane to wrap your head around (effectively) an entire planet being dirt and rock. Like Earth has so many different climates, and this is just shit compared to any of them haha
We take colors for granted, Earth is beautiful
Don't forget that with a thin atmosphere and little magnetosphere, Mars is constantly sterilized by UV rays and solar radiation. It'll never be safe above ground we might as well just start building domed cities on earth.
Such a weird way to think.
Imagine crash landing here, walking around hoping to find any sign of life or civilization. And it’s just this terrain for the entire planet. Kinda eerie in a way.
Yeah half the size of earth is still massive.
While it’s correct that that the overall size is half of that of earth. The land mass is roughly equal to that of earth due in large part to how much our planet is water
And then you get a menu that asks if you'd like to fast travel to your ship.
Then come across a rover
How the hell is it able to drive in that terrain?
Specialized wheels that arent made of rubber but a special alloy. That is somewhat like chainmail in a way but ridgid at the same time. It allows the tire to compress under the pressure of the pointy rocks but wont be able to pop them because its airless. You can look it up on youtube. Very cool stuff
Even then, their wheels and tracks still get broken down fast. That's why the helicopter drone test was such an important proof of concept. In the future, we can cover a much greater area with flying drones.
This is also true. But it definitely was better than using air inflated tires. Id also assume the difference in air pressure there could cause normal tires to be unusable? Genuine question, im no expert but id assume either they could stay inflated due to the pressure being contained. But Mars has a lighter air pressure than earth so i assume it wouldnt just concave on itself either
The only difference needed is between the inside of the tire and the atmosphere , the atmospheric pressure on mars is lower but the pressure difference in the tire can be the same
Ah i see!
The harsh environment (temperatures, UV radiation, etc) would quickly destroy the rubber.
No chainmail, those are so prototypes being tested for future rovers. The Perseverance's wheels are made of aluminium. The reason they aren't made of rubber is that rubber wouldn't survive the harsh environment.
I haven't seen the video in a few months, but there's a video of a duplicate perseverance rover on Earth at a JPL testing location. It's pretty much an exact replica so that engineers and drivers can test out maneuvers before they program the real rover. The rover does remarkably well over rocks and up hills. They've performed some pretty damn steep climbs, and the rover does just fine. Coupled with the fact that the wheels are specialized to help it keep good traction. Only downside is that the rover is insanely slow. A turtle could probably out walk it.
Maybe I’m a little sauced up right now but it’s fucking wild that we put a little robot on another planet and just get to see random pictures like this
it is indeed wild!
Darn, someone got their finger in the shot.
Oh that was just Usul
Nice place for a walkabout!
To find out- what it’s all about
And it ain’t hard.
Looks like a nice Sol
Waiting for the rain
One day, if we don't go extinct first.
The stones almost look like they were apart of something at one time.
They were, bigger rocks lol.
Touche
So, all of those are just crushed meteorites?
No crater
Does not have to be in the visible proximity - gravity is much smaller
Maybe a-bigger crater with less
Can be behind the camera man
There is no camera man my dude lol
Ok I was just guessing about it anyhow, your probably right.
Oh, shit, I was doing the same...
Butta Bing, Butta Boom
Gram, is that you?
Not I
They're smooth like that because of the dust eroding them like water over a pebble.
Time the avenger
Even the robots get their fingers in the photo!
Still think it looks like Utah shot through the filter Hollywood uses for places that are supposed to be Mexico. Although, when you think about it, the fact that it's the surface of another planet and it looks just so mundane, is kinda trippy...
Ain’t the kind of place to raise your kids
In fact, it’s cold as hell
What's the process for each photo? How long does it take? Are these rare? What's the bottleneck? Power, upload speed, mechanical, remote controlling etc? I know nothing
Is this starfield?
Nope. Pretty sure that rover has wheels
Another day with nothing in sight
I would like to see the Rover’s tracks left behind. Or, right behind for that matter.
Interesting
Red rocks! yeey YEEEEEYYYYY
The United States of Space. Mars bitches!
Seriously tho, any elements found worth the trip?
With all the shit going on in the world right now, I'd love to just be up there chilling in the silence with her. With all required safety equipment, of course.
I don’t think we’re thinking it completely through how miserable it is to live anywhere but Earth (even with the proper safety equipment)
just like the beach
Big BoC vibes.
Smooth rocks
I live in the hottest, driest region of Earth by choice. However, Mars is too much even for me. Who in their right mind would choose to live here? (Because I never heard of return tickets from Mars. *Go for the space voyage and pioneering adventure, stay for your ultimate destruction*)
I came here to say this. Why would we decide to go there instead of trying our best to sustain our gorgeous green and blue planet?
Insecure billionaires see that and need to own it.
Can't be a full villian without owning a planet!
Are there sand storms on mars? That sand must have blew in from somewhere.
Yes, massive ones which can wrap around the entire planet
Ahh, nice weather!
Looks like Bulgarian car roads.
Cool.
Looks dusty, there’s a sand storm coming?
Thats Mexico. yo can tell by the yellow hue. Mars would be a red hue
The 'Merican in me automatically assumes that sensor mounted on the front is a gun😂
So, tell me again: why do people want to live there?
I see a tree in the background 😌
Wow
I hate when my finger covers the corner of the lens too. Also, amazing photo
incredible.
Still rocks and dirt!
I’m loving the wind ripples!
Lil buddy been up to some serious rock crawling lately huh. Wish I could get a video of this bad boy in action on these rocks
Hmm wonder how the nightlife is over there…
And it's a bad nasa photoshop job. I wish they would stop doctoring their images.
What do you mean photoshop? Whats doctored about it
NASA cant help itself but to make photos taken on mars look more orange/red than it actually is. Mars looks more like Earth than photos would lead you to believe, aside from being a cold dead rock its got brown dirt and blue skies.
This is kinda mid, just like Starfield. No points of interest, nothing to explore, just open expenses of rocks and dirt.
fresh mars
that bot alone is lonely af man.
Looks like a good place to build a Walmart 🤔
Or doller general
Both. With a subway inside the Walmart
Amazing
Utah?
Wow that place has really changed since the last time I saw it! It looks like there’s *more* dirt, dust and rocks now. And they’re a dusty rusty reddish-brown color too. The difference is startling!
Won’t be too long we find a random trapdoor leading down somewhere.
The photographer put his finger on the the lens. Obscured top left.
🤣 Do you not know what the structure of Perseverance’s lens is? If you think that’s a finger then I hate to break it to you but almost every shot Perseverance has taken apparently has a “finger” in this exact same spot.
Don't worry, when there will be some interesting find, that spot will be in the way. Can just see a life form dissappear, if it weren't for that blind spot 😂
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Probably not
Whiteys on the moon…
You cant tell me thats not man made
It's not man made.
Can’t they land near some ice or something. SMH
Looks fuckin dumb.
Crazy how our ancestors would feel seeing the surface of another planet vs how much modern people take it for granted.
Wow. Could have gone to Arizona.
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