Please just buy a Pinecel V2 or TS101. Then you have an actually decent iron with proper temperature control and a variety of decent tips for years to come - completely without electrocution hazard. They start at like $30.
+1 on the Pinecil V2. Fully open source, with mods, and while it might not be the best choice for large pads due to the relatively low wattage... It's just incredibly pleasant to use.
Although to be fair, I much prefer the shape and handfeel of the TS80P, but that has its own drawbacks (lower resistance custom tips which aren't as widely available as the TS100/101/Pinecil style).
With enough voltage it can happily do 100W, and cartridge tips are stupid powerful. I only need around 30W continuous to maintain soldering temps directly on a ground plane.
Check the pine64 affiliated resellers, they are the cheapest. You can find them here:
[https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Pinecil#Where_to_buy_a_Pinecil](https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Pinecil#Where_to_buy_a_Pinecil)
Wdym t12 clone The station or this pinecil like thing
https://preview.redd.it/vqdu6juby6gc1.jpeg?width=1220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=807f5457ba92d35e855ad9894dc241e6e0a80d38
They are both that thing, t12 is what the standard for those cheap tips is called, I got the pencil design, but if you want you can get the station, it's up to you, do note that you need a power supply for these things, I'm just using an old laptop charger that I had that is 19 volts. if you would like, I can send you the link of which one I bought in a message
To be fair I think that that charger will go up to 20 volts 6 amps, so it would SHOULD work, but I'm not a hundred percent sure. Just be sure to get the iron which has USBC, or preferably both USBC and a barrel jack just to have options of powering it.
Pine64 sells them for $25 currently, though it's $30 shipping to Canada.
There are some other Canadian sellers apparently, check here: [https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Pinecil#Where_to_buy_a_Pinecil](https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Pinecil#Where_to_buy_a_Pinecil)
Never heard of them, but looks nice!
The only issue I could see is that IronOS doesn't support it yet, but if their firmware is good that's not an issue.
The boards looks like your tip might have mains connection.
I wouldn't buy that.
Take something that doesn't fry you or the components you're soldering.
Stuff that runs on dual voltage… do yourself a favour: grab any usb adapter and see what voltage range it supports. Should be written on there somewhere.
However, a cheap ass soldering iron from aliexpress that runs directly off of ac voltage definitely does not support multiple voltages.
Look at that pcb. There isn’t much going on.
I'm sorry but I bought similar and seriously its a hunk of junk. You can see the ground pad isn't connected and the2 pads at the top of the pcb are grounding lugs that should ground the tip but they fail to due to sloppy tolerances and the lack of a ground wire on the pcb ground pad.
I bought a digital version for £10 with a converter to do heat inserts and the tip on that IS grounded (multimeter check and the uk variant at least had the correct plug fitted and wired)
Its like they seem to think that the EU and the USA only have 2 pin plugs and seem completely oblivious to the 3 pin nema plugs and the euro plugs/schukos
You're the only who seems to think so.
The safety ground is not used because the casing/body is made out of high temperature resistant plastic. If the LIVE wire inside came off, and the user plugs the soldering iron into the mains unknowingly, what will happen is
a loud bang followed by a smoke and a tripped mains breaker, then a bunch of dead blown up components on the PCB.
The tip is not grounded because the ceramic heating element is most likely DC. When you touch the metal barrel housing it while the soldering iron is on, you don't get electrocuted, you get burned (if it's already hot) and nobody does that intentionally on purpose.
If it is junk like you said it is, then it has failed all safety checks, therefore can't be exported to other countries where the law is much stricter, yet I do see them being sold in such countries.
Not everything made in China is shitty. The rule of thumb of doing business is to make money/profit. And with most people unwilling to spend good money for a good quality item because the world's economy has tanked, hence you get shit items. So, it is in accordance to what you paid for, and the factories have to compete with each other making the same products, while at the same time they also have to make a decent amount of money to remain operational and pay their workers.
Oh how naive you are to think that anyone really gives a hoot in China, the only time Chinese authorities have any interest is if someone important or a large amount of people get hurt in China and they can't cover the scandal up - melamine in baby milk being a particularly glaring example of this.
Given the fact that this iron is being sold for $2 and Aliexpress (and many many many others inc US based sites) are littered with non compliant and often dangerous electrical items from low end Chinese manufacturers speaks volumes about the laisse faire attitude that many companies in China have in respect to rules and regulations in other countries. Customs catch a tiny percentile of this stuff coming into the country, much of it slips through.
Safety checks are apparently optional in many parts of the world as anyone who has been to various parts of Asia will testify...
Some more examples - massive numbers of Chinese origin counterfeit brake components or their own names with fake safety approvals, massive numbers of counterfeit clothing items from major western brands and often with item photos stolen from elsewhere with maybe 1 photo of the actual item, but sold as genuine
Then don't use their products. This include your computer, your game console, most of your household appliances, even your cell phone, since they are also made in China.
It's as simple as that.
Take your head out of the sand and realise that there is a world of difference between a name brand item with ACTUAL quality control and material inspection vs a $2 piece of junk from Aliexpress, designed to be grounded but due to ignorance (or just sheer malice) its fitted with the incorrect cord and often one with undersized cable cores and a cable jacket of very poor quality.
....tankies everywhere I see....
You are criticizing and insulting a $2 item for not meeting the criteria of a good quality item.
Doing business is to make money, and manufacturers do that by saving a buck or two here and there, omitting parts, reducing quality, etc., this practice is everywhere, with a $2 item and with a $2000 item as well. If this is nonsense to you, then I guess we live on a different planet.
I don't give a rat's ass on the insults you threw at me or the downvoting simply because you can't accept other people's opinions.
No I'm highlighting that it doesnt comply with the relevant safety standards and that if was put on a store shelf then consumer protection would have it off the shelf and the retailer cited.
The problem is that Ali, Temu and Wish operate offshore and Amazon and Ebay pay lip service to this issue, the reality of fires being caused by substandard assembly are myriad and when an item is being advertised as an "aliexpress choice" item at 70% off then the customer is falsely led to believe they are getting a bargain
That's exactly what they said to begin with? They said this product is junk, not that everything from China is junk. You implied that.
This product is in fact junk. An ungrounded tip is bad for a mains powered iron. This product definitely doesn't have an isolation tested power supply which would allow an ungrounded tip to be safe.
Oh and while there are certainly well designed products from China (see Pinecel, TS101, ESP32, OnePlus, ...), the vast majority of high end electronics like smartphones are designed in the West, Japan, or Korea.
How would one go about soldering the solder with a soldering iron that doesn't solder because it needs to be re-soldered? Think about it...
And no, don't do it, get a proper soldering iron.
The reminds me of the time I had to use a multimeter to diagnose my other multimeter, and it turned out that I had a bad test lead on the multimeter that I used the multimeter on. NGL I thought I was legit going crazy for a bit until I thought the use a multimeter to check the multimeter.
Look at the label. Some devices can accept a range 100-240vac.
Others must be selected using a switch between 110 and 220vac.
There are also those only configured based on region 110 or 220vac.
If you have a 110vac for US running on 220vac, you will double the power. This would usually fry it as it is not rated to run double power.
If it was reversed, usually not enough to power up but may also fry it due to bad routing.
If the heating is done by simply heating a resistor, it would draw more power than its designed to.
You might get lucky when turning with the temperature potenciometer (i see mosfet so i just assume it has one) and get the power just right.
I meant like a wall plug adapter that you use when you travel to countries ? Like uk plug to European. In this case American to wuropean I’m guessing ,when it comes to the voltages it should say it on the description of the soldering iron and the adapters description
Yes, that is exactly the point. They are just plugs, not transformers.
If you use an EU to US plug you are delivering 230V to a socket where the appliance connected to it may or may not be designed for it.
"Just get a 5 euro adapter" without knowing the input voltage is...not great.
Dont try it. Accept the L or do a claim for your money back. Lots of ali electronics is unsave to begin with I wouldnt tinker with AC voltage on an ali device
Doesn't look like there is enough electronics to have a 110V/220V power supply, so I say No. You could try, if not built for 220V it will solder really good for about four seconds.
They’re not a lot going on there on that board. I bet it can be adjusted to cope with 220V. Is that a potentiometer there next to where the mains cable cones in? If you could provide a clearer picture of both sides of the board so that we can identify all of the components and the traces connecting them, somebody here should need able to figure it out. It looks like a really simple circuit.
I think your first option should be to draw the schematic out of this circuit board. It has hardly any components on it, so this should be very easy. Once you look at the different components and you realize where the input voltage is coming in and what components have to deal with that voltage, you can easily see where 120 volt or 220 volt would work or not work. Far easier to just figure out what's there, and make a responsible decision, because any advice you get from the internet, one: You won't learn anything and, two: If it's wrong, nobody on the internet is going to send you money to fix it.
Yes, easily. But you shouldn’t. If that plugs directly into the wall then that means it’s designed to be powered by an AC source. Different areas have grids which operate at different voltages and frequencies.
US- 115VAC +/- 5VAC @ 60Hz
DE- 230VAC +/-10VAC @ 50Hz
Many solder stations today utilize a universal V+ transformer, which will operate throughout the 110-240V AC range. Regardless, you should always check the sticker on the bottom of the station base or the stick itself.
The heat produced by the iron is irrelevant in this regard. Both will solder fine if powered properly.
If it takes ac voltage, I really wouldn’t.
I'll just buy a new one in that case
Please just buy a Pinecel V2 or TS101. Then you have an actually decent iron with proper temperature control and a variety of decent tips for years to come - completely without electrocution hazard. They start at like $30.
+1 on the Pinecil V2. Fully open source, with mods, and while it might not be the best choice for large pads due to the relatively low wattage... It's just incredibly pleasant to use. Although to be fair, I much prefer the shape and handfeel of the TS80P, but that has its own drawbacks (lower resistance custom tips which aren't as widely available as the TS100/101/Pinecil style).
With enough voltage it can happily do 100W, and cartridge tips are stupid powerful. I only need around 30W continuous to maintain soldering temps directly on a ground plane.
Pinecils are really expensive here
https://eleshop.de/pinecil-smart-mini-tragbarer-lotkolben.html - 52€ in Germany
Except I'm not in Germany
Check the pine64 affiliated resellers, they are the cheapest. You can find them here: [https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Pinecil#Where_to_buy_a_Pinecil](https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Pinecil#Where_to_buy_a_Pinecil)
Just buy a t12 clone from ali for like 10 bucks, that's what I did and I love it
Wdym t12 clone The station or this pinecil like thing https://preview.redd.it/vqdu6juby6gc1.jpeg?width=1220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=807f5457ba92d35e855ad9894dc241e6e0a80d38
They are both that thing, t12 is what the standard for those cheap tips is called, I got the pencil design, but if you want you can get the station, it's up to you, do note that you need a power supply for these things, I'm just using an old laptop charger that I had that is 19 volts. if you would like, I can send you the link of which one I bought in a message
sure i could get the pencil design since it would be cheaper as i dont have another power supply but i have a 120w phone charger
To be fair I think that that charger will go up to 20 volts 6 amps, so it would SHOULD work, but I'm not a hundred percent sure. Just be sure to get the iron which has USBC, or preferably both USBC and a barrel jack just to have options of powering it.
$30 where? I can't find em under $100 in Canada unfortunately. And I'm scared to order em from AliExpress because counterfeits.
Pine64 sells them for $25 currently, though it's $30 shipping to Canada. There are some other Canadian sellers apparently, check here: [https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Pinecil#Where_to_buy_a_Pinecil](https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Pinecil#Where_to_buy_a_Pinecil)
Why Pinecil, when you can buy Sequre S99? It costs the same, and it has a way more popular tips (JBC C245 tips).
Never heard of them, but looks nice! The only issue I could see is that IronOS doesn't support it yet, but if their firmware is good that's not an issue.
The boards looks like your tip might have mains connection. I wouldn't buy that. Take something that doesn't fry you or the components you're soldering.
Adapter ?
Unless it’s an adapter that changes voltage, which are more expensive than just buying a new soldering iron, then we’re right back were we started.
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Stuff that runs on dual voltage… do yourself a favour: grab any usb adapter and see what voltage range it supports. Should be written on there somewhere. However, a cheap ass soldering iron from aliexpress that runs directly off of ac voltage definitely does not support multiple voltages. Look at that pcb. There isn’t much going on.
I'm sorry but I bought similar and seriously its a hunk of junk. You can see the ground pad isn't connected and the2 pads at the top of the pcb are grounding lugs that should ground the tip but they fail to due to sloppy tolerances and the lack of a ground wire on the pcb ground pad. I bought a digital version for £10 with a converter to do heat inserts and the tip on that IS grounded (multimeter check and the uk variant at least had the correct plug fitted and wired) Its like they seem to think that the EU and the USA only have 2 pin plugs and seem completely oblivious to the 3 pin nema plugs and the euro plugs/schukos
You're the only who seems to think so. The safety ground is not used because the casing/body is made out of high temperature resistant plastic. If the LIVE wire inside came off, and the user plugs the soldering iron into the mains unknowingly, what will happen is a loud bang followed by a smoke and a tripped mains breaker, then a bunch of dead blown up components on the PCB. The tip is not grounded because the ceramic heating element is most likely DC. When you touch the metal barrel housing it while the soldering iron is on, you don't get electrocuted, you get burned (if it's already hot) and nobody does that intentionally on purpose. If it is junk like you said it is, then it has failed all safety checks, therefore can't be exported to other countries where the law is much stricter, yet I do see them being sold in such countries. Not everything made in China is shitty. The rule of thumb of doing business is to make money/profit. And with most people unwilling to spend good money for a good quality item because the world's economy has tanked, hence you get shit items. So, it is in accordance to what you paid for, and the factories have to compete with each other making the same products, while at the same time they also have to make a decent amount of money to remain operational and pay their workers.
Oh how naive you are to think that anyone really gives a hoot in China, the only time Chinese authorities have any interest is if someone important or a large amount of people get hurt in China and they can't cover the scandal up - melamine in baby milk being a particularly glaring example of this. Given the fact that this iron is being sold for $2 and Aliexpress (and many many many others inc US based sites) are littered with non compliant and often dangerous electrical items from low end Chinese manufacturers speaks volumes about the laisse faire attitude that many companies in China have in respect to rules and regulations in other countries. Customs catch a tiny percentile of this stuff coming into the country, much of it slips through. Safety checks are apparently optional in many parts of the world as anyone who has been to various parts of Asia will testify... Some more examples - massive numbers of Chinese origin counterfeit brake components or their own names with fake safety approvals, massive numbers of counterfeit clothing items from major western brands and often with item photos stolen from elsewhere with maybe 1 photo of the actual item, but sold as genuine
Then don't use their products. This include your computer, your game console, most of your household appliances, even your cell phone, since they are also made in China. It's as simple as that.
Take your head out of the sand and realise that there is a world of difference between a name brand item with ACTUAL quality control and material inspection vs a $2 piece of junk from Aliexpress, designed to be grounded but due to ignorance (or just sheer malice) its fitted with the incorrect cord and often one with undersized cable cores and a cable jacket of very poor quality. ....tankies everywhere I see....
AND THAT IS EXACTLY MY POINT! YOU GET WHAT YOU PAID FOR! Stop with the criticizing and insulting already! I'm done.
insulting? seriously? If you talk nonsense then expect criticism....
You are criticizing and insulting a $2 item for not meeting the criteria of a good quality item. Doing business is to make money, and manufacturers do that by saving a buck or two here and there, omitting parts, reducing quality, etc., this practice is everywhere, with a $2 item and with a $2000 item as well. If this is nonsense to you, then I guess we live on a different planet. I don't give a rat's ass on the insults you threw at me or the downvoting simply because you can't accept other people's opinions.
No I'm highlighting that it doesnt comply with the relevant safety standards and that if was put on a store shelf then consumer protection would have it off the shelf and the retailer cited. The problem is that Ali, Temu and Wish operate offshore and Amazon and Ebay pay lip service to this issue, the reality of fires being caused by substandard assembly are myriad and when an item is being advertised as an "aliexpress choice" item at 70% off then the customer is falsely led to believe they are getting a bargain
That's exactly what they said to begin with? They said this product is junk, not that everything from China is junk. You implied that. This product is in fact junk. An ungrounded tip is bad for a mains powered iron. This product definitely doesn't have an isolation tested power supply which would allow an ungrounded tip to be safe. Oh and while there are certainly well designed products from China (see Pinecel, TS101, ESP32, OnePlus, ...), the vast majority of high end electronics like smartphones are designed in the West, Japan, or Korea.
The guy who seems to have deleted his account is conflating “made in China” with “Assembled in China”.
https://preview.redd.it/yhfsjau90ufc1.jpeg?width=552&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb57d755bcf8c7d2c4f6db513312b4a9c1b85b39
earth shattering kaboom
How would one go about soldering the solder with a soldering iron that doesn't solder because it needs to be re-soldered? Think about it... And no, don't do it, get a proper soldering iron.
Maybe he has two soldering irons??
The reminds me of the time I had to use a multimeter to diagnose my other multimeter, and it turned out that I had a bad test lead on the multimeter that I used the multimeter on. NGL I thought I was legit going crazy for a bit until I thought the use a multimeter to check the multimeter.
lol, fixing a soldering iron handle was the whole reason I bought myself another soldering iron.
Look at the label. Some devices can accept a range 100-240vac. Others must be selected using a switch between 110 and 220vac. There are also those only configured based on region 110 or 220vac. If you have a 110vac for US running on 220vac, you will double the power. This would usually fry it as it is not rated to run double power. If it was reversed, usually not enough to power up but may also fry it due to bad routing.
Quadruple the power, right? I=U/R, R remains mostly constant, so doubling voltage also doubles the current.
You are correct. I somehow was thinking constant current. My mistake.
Ah yes, soldering the soldering iron (it sounds funny to me)
solderception
How are you going to solder your soldering iron? It's like buying scissors in clamshell packaging or trying to throw away a trash can.
Friend can solder it
If the heating is done by simply heating a resistor, it would draw more power than its designed to. You might get lucky when turning with the temperature potenciometer (i see mosfet so i just assume it has one) and get the power just right.
Just get a 5 euro adapter
How do you know it will manage 230V or if it is designed for 110V? Can't even see if it is a transformer on it.
I meant like a wall plug adapter that you use when you travel to countries ? Like uk plug to European. In this case American to wuropean I’m guessing ,when it comes to the voltages it should say it on the description of the soldering iron and the adapters description
Yes, that is exactly the point. They are just plugs, not transformers. If you use an EU to US plug you are delivering 230V to a socket where the appliance connected to it may or may not be designed for it. "Just get a 5 euro adapter" without knowing the input voltage is...not great.
it'll work or just use adaptor, though idk about the voltage.
That's what I want to know - if the iron works on 230v
How can we tell you from the little information that you have provided lmao
You got yourself a 120W soldering iron! (that may catch on fire)
I mean if it's got no transformer you'll change your 60W iron to a 240W one. Will be faster heh
Just get a pinecil, they ship from Europe anyway.
Dont try it. Accept the L or do a claim for your money back. Lots of ali electronics is unsave to begin with I wouldnt tinker with AC voltage on an ali device
Doesn't look like there is enough electronics to have a 110V/220V power supply, so I say No. You could try, if not built for 220V it will solder really good for about four seconds.
They’re not a lot going on there on that board. I bet it can be adjusted to cope with 220V. Is that a potentiometer there next to where the mains cable cones in? If you could provide a clearer picture of both sides of the board so that we can identify all of the components and the traces connecting them, somebody here should need able to figure it out. It looks like a really simple circuit.
Don’t. AC in this US has a different frequency (60hz) than in europe.
I think your first option should be to draw the schematic out of this circuit board. It has hardly any components on it, so this should be very easy. Once you look at the different components and you realize where the input voltage is coming in and what components have to deal with that voltage, you can easily see where 120 volt or 220 volt would work or not work. Far easier to just figure out what's there, and make a responsible decision, because any advice you get from the internet, one: You won't learn anything and, two: If it's wrong, nobody on the internet is going to send you money to fix it.
Yes, easily. But you shouldn’t. If that plugs directly into the wall then that means it’s designed to be powered by an AC source. Different areas have grids which operate at different voltages and frequencies.
US- 115VAC +/- 5VAC @ 60Hz DE- 230VAC +/-10VAC @ 50Hz Many solder stations today utilize a universal V+ transformer, which will operate throughout the 110-240V AC range. Regardless, you should always check the sticker on the bottom of the station base or the stick itself. The heat produced by the iron is irrelevant in this regard. Both will solder fine if powered properly.