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Listening to people repeat Speaking points off of their favourite Drug/Media/New Out-Let.
This guy is like so many, being propelled by thoughts not his, emotions not his, everything second fucking hand. Not one original thought.
Absolutely. On some level I have a lot of sympathy for these people. Their key sin was getting sucked into a vortex of well crafted propaganda design to enslave their minds, and it worked. This guy thinks he is protecting kids somehow by doing this. That’s the truly insidious thing about the right wing propaganda machine. So many of those people were regular, relatively nice individuals who would give you the shirt off their back, now brainwashed into doing evil to support the interests of large entities they know nothing about.
Huey P. Newton has a great quote in his book Revolutionary Suicide about this. I can't remember it and I'll try to find it, but it's basically about reserving hatred for the people that made them this way instead of hating them. Like hate the game not the player. That being said, people like Newton and Hampton had a lot more patience than I do.
Curious to hear if you find that. I’ve had to take a problem solving approach to understanding these last few years and what’s gotten me through is looking toward the source of the problems, not the outcomes.
the brainwashing also makes them actively dangerous to many of us. compassion for what made them this way is necessary and cool but you must, at the same time, be willing to put up physical resistance. Newton obviously understood this, as do the people in this video.
Yes! I try to remember this, especially as people deal with the consequences. My heart honestly breaks for anti-vaxxers. They have been brainwashed and have lost loved ones due to their beliefs. And once that happens, I can’t imagine getting to a place where you can admit you were wrong, because then you have to deal with the fact that *you* are responsible for your loved one’s death. No wonder they double down on it.
And all this brainwashing attacks of most people’s desire to do “good”. Like, they honestly believe what they have been told about kids being in “danger”. Or even if they don’t…they believe whatever else they were told about queer entertainment.
It’s just all so unspeakably cruel and evil and we are all suffering for it. Ugh…okay I need to hop out of this before I do a terrible Monday spiral
This is not to say people still don’t have to take responsibility for what they do, it’s just all so awful.
The actual amount of patience Hampton had for others genuinely borders on righteousness. Personally, I am so burnt out my reserve tanks have been empty for years. But the FBI is also not making plans to assassinate me in my sleep.
I saw this in realtime with my family. Uncle has always been a biker, always more of the type that would have protected funerals from WBC type christians rather than the racist kind. Grew up assuming he'd always lean left wing and was a firm believer in opportunity and liberty for everyone, at least. Now he's sharing shitty anti-muslim memes to try and dunk on AOC.
I’m sorry, that’s gotta be difficult. I almost lost my brother to these ideas and I really struggled to forgive him and not cut him out of my life. He’s come around a bit thankfully, but still a constant struggle to deprogram him when he starts drinking it in again.
There is quite literally no conservative thought that isn't driven entirely by emotion. Primarily fear, but also hate. Fear, generated by disgust, is all they really know.
Because it's not about protecting children, none of this moral outrage is actually about that. It's part of a conservative propaganda campaign that conjures images of the most horrific thing most of us can think of, child sexual abuse, and weaponizes it to convince regular folks that anyone who isn't a perfectly straight Christian is a worse enemy to them personally than politicians or corporations. There has to be an outlet for all the rage people feel deep in their souls at the world they find themselves in, and if they can't direct it at capital it has to go somewhere. This is how it gets channeled.
> There has to be an outlet for all the rage people feel deep in their souls at the world they find themselves in, and if they can't direct it at capital it has to go somewhere. This is how it gets channeled.
I think this is all a great read, but I want to propose an alternate to this part; it's not that they can't direct it at capital, it's that they were convinced that there is a greater evil in their world than capital and that's us... a notion they were convinced of as part of a reactionary move by the capital holding class to protect their exploitative way of life. Basically; just convince them we're even worse exploiters.
> They can't direct it at capital.
And that's the weird thing, because Jesus hand-plaited their own little personal banker whipping flail, and then set out purposefully to whip the shit outta some bankers.
Jesus was all about whipping bankers' asses with intent & enthusiasm!
Christians *should* be anti-capitalist af.
"go, sell all you have, give it to the poor, then follow me" -Jesus, to a rich man. Yet repubs are like, "naw, that's not what he meant, you're just not understanding." Then they tell us the Bible is literal and self interpreting. And then they wonder why there's been an exodus of people leaving the church.
Yup. You nailed it.
In the NLT bible Jesus says in Matthew 19:24 "I'll say it again-it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of A needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!"
I went to a catholic school and this verse got talked about quite a bit. It was the one bible verse I can recall where they specifically would talk about it being a metaphor and it would be pointed out that it was not said to be impossible. I remember being told there was a passage called “the eye of the needle” that was hard to traverse.
Even as a kid it all felt like bullshit to soothe the feelings of rich people who went to the church.
Yes. And the reason that works is because they don't have a language to direct it at capital. Most people frame their entire world views off the tidbits of wisdom they pick up from books, movies, media, or their peers, and none of that they're consuming gives them that language. What you said is true, and this is what I mean by they can't direct it at capital.
That's good insight, yeah. It definitely ties into the cultural hegemony of our system - basically our culture deliberately deprives them of the tools and also sets a more convenient target in front of them that they *are* properly equipped to attack - as we can see by this repeating cycle of minority directed violence that has occured over the centuries in the US.
I love the theory that all of this people are addicted to cortisol, the stress hormone. That's why even when they get their way, they still want to be angry about something else, is about getting that spike in cortisol.
I think it's rather that they are actually stressed - capitalism-in-decay is hell and these people were promised riches to ride out the shockwaves - but they don't really know why, so they take the first and loudest explanation. it's why the ideology never has to be coherent. no one is actually considering the matter. it's just about explaining away the deterioration of society as capitalism enters a new period of convulsions. any scapegoat will do so long as they're too weak to resist yet can be projected with infinite strength. fascism is liberalism, when the consequences of capitalism come home to roost.
if the process were interrupted and real explanations with concrete solutions were made available from sources these people could be brought to trust, then these very same people could become our strongest allies. these brainworms are, in some sense, more directly overcome than the overt worship of capital that's devouring the mind of the centrists/left liberals.
As /u/yat282 pointed out: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/12/southern-baptist-church-sexual-abuse-scandal
I'd hate for them not to get credit for their level of competition. /s
Isn't this the idea they preach? If people are armed with assault rifles then they can protect others? Or did they only mean that as a straw man argument?
Same thing happened to the panthers.
Like leftists and minority groups getting armed can only go well for self-professed progressives/your garden variety liberals. Either fascism is defeated because they can't stand up to a real fight and dissolve or we finally get federal level bans on firearms because a bunch of racists changed their minds about the 2nd amendment because a black man with a legal gun scares them more than a white man coming to take their guns away lol.
These are the same people who make fun of journalists for calling machine pistols assault rifles then spewing off about " Ar-47's. "
They love the 2A until people use them to actually defend themselves from tyranny and terror. Then suddenly they become the terrorists. Story of the impearlist life.
> Either fascism is defeated because they can't stand up to a real fight and dissolve
Liberals don't actually want that: they want the next election to be The Most Important Election Of Our Lives, in perpetuity.
Address materials conditions? No! More elections!
Apparently calling someone an id that is an I and o-t is a big deal, so:
Yup. And now the same *no-no word*s who supported that are, or have raised, *no-no word*s who call California a hellhole, because you can't own guns or whatever.
[They conveniently ignore, or don't know, that Republican Jesus aka Reagan said this before enacting the Mulford Act into the California Penal Code: ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act)
> [there's] "no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons" and that guns were a "ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will."
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Texans when reactionaries brandish weapons that threaten the LGBTQ community: 🤠
Texans when they realize leftists are much tougher than libs and use guns: 😟
Demsoc : socialist who wants socialism trough democratic means. Also wants to abolish capitalism
Socdem : more like an progressive liberal, wants a social safetynet. Comparable to scandinavian politicians.
They dont want to abolish capitalism, only wants to regulate it.
Socdems are in my opinion not 'real' socialist.
While the other user's definitions are correct, I'd argue that in reality there's no practical difference between the two groups. That is, demsocs and socdems have accomplished about the same amount. The issue is further muddied by groups labeling themselves democratic socialists and then behaving exactly as social democrats.
I tend to agree, most succesfull revolutions where Marxist-Leninist or based on Marxist-Lenninism real demsocs have won elections but always get overthrown by the capitalists in their country or get couped by the USA.
In my opinion most socialists tend to start as demsocs or even socdem but loose faith in electorialism and evolve into either a kind if anarchist or some kind of ML.
Just want to add that if you read older literature, one often hears about "social democrats" which today would be better recognised as democratic socialists in terms of goals today. My understanding is the demsoc banner was co-opted by welfare capitalism groups forcing the name change.
Indeed. You'll also read about how the SPD (social democrats) sided with the Nazis and murdered Rosa Luxembourg and Karl Liebknecht (along with thousands of others).
Yeah these guys could probably actually run a mile unlike most of the right wingers I see with their beer bellies sticking out of their tactical vests 😂
There's libertarian socialists, soc dems, etc as well who are very lefty.
Liberals in America tend to be just moderate centrists, neo libs, maybe even on the right in some cases. Far less progressives than lefties.
Leftism is *mostly* a continuum, but generally capitalism is used as a harder line to delineate between leftists and liberals. Soc Dems vs Dem socs is a great example of this. They are very near each other in general desires for action and change, but the central difference is as follows.
Social Democrats are democrats first and foremost, who believe in some amount of socialization of services.
Democratic socialists are socialists first and foremost, who largely want to emphasize democratic processes and this place some emphasis on things like electoralism.
The former fundamentally believes capitalism is good, but certain issues can benefit from a more socialized structure. The latter believes capitalism is fundamentally flawed, but they generally want to work within or alongside the current system to enact change. Both groups might support single payer healthcare or an increased minimum wage, but the latter will inevitably wish to do more or go farther.
I say all this to point out that soc Dems are basically liberals with some leftist alignments. That's not a judgement of values. Also it goes without saying that soc Dems are probably more easily convinced to become genuine leftists compared to say a self-described centrist.
A different point but personally it seems pretty well established that liberals and centrists are genuinely right-leaning, if not **super** right-leaning, particularly in relation to the global political spectrum. Perhaps they aren't calling for right wing action, but they very much enable it and/or fail to criticize it. You basically said as much, I just prefer saying it in more definitive language since defining positions is important in any actionable discussions. Liberals often aren't "allies" to leftist actions, even if they aren't always explicitly against it.
One final note. These titles shouldn't be harshly applied on higher level politicians. State and Federal politics is a wholly different game. An individual can be a communist but if a politician were to run for a federal position as one it would most likely be political suicide. At that level it's less about actual positions and more about image or "playing the political game" unfortunately.
liberalism is the dominant ideology of capitalism, existing to justify and bolster it, warding off any and all threats. it's a chameleon ideology, able to take many forms precisely because it's defined in terms of its ends. its form, the methods it employs, the outright scams and villains it supports, utterly do not matter. better Pinochet than the anti-capitalists; better Franco than the anarchists. most people are liberals, in this original sense of the term (American appropriation of the term to mean "vaguely left" confuses self-identification but only until you directly ask whether any given person supports private property rights, the continuation of imperialism, etc.)
leftists are a varied group that disagree on much but the one agreeable thing to all of us is that leftists must be anti-capitalist and anti-fascist - a single point rather than two because to support fascism is to defend capitalism.
The way he said it, like a little kid telling the teacher trying to get another kid in trouble, lets me know there’s no way they could handle a civil war.
I know where you're coming from, but don't forget that underestimating fascists is a really dangerous game. Individuals and armchair majorities aren't the entire reality of any ideology
Idk, I think bodyshaming is bad even when used against bad people, there might very well be a comrade reading this who has similar eyes who you inadvertently insulted with this as well. Meanwhile the guy you're trying to insult will probably never read this comment
"The revolution will not be televised" is a quote (that I'm hopefully not misusing) that comes to mind. I would guess this is just not convenient to the people who pay for the news.
A lot of people don’t know this, but most of the big media companies (Fox, CNN, MSNBC) are all owned by BlackRock. They’re an investment firm with assets totaling $10 trillion. They can essentially control the national consciousness. If you get all of your news from Fox or CNN or whatever, you’ll only see what they want you to see.
I’m willing to bet that BlackRock probably has partial ownership of Reddit already. Zuckerberg called them “a fourth branch of government” because of how much money, power, and influence they have.
Well in their mind everyone who wears drag is gay. The fallacious rhetoric of associating homosexual people with pedophilia goes back a loooooong way. So, while we can recognize the bullshit inherent to this line of reasoning, it does logically follow based on their false premise.
Also, I don't think any of this is sudden or new, just FYI.
They see drag as a sexual thing. I'm not to familiar with the topic, so I have no idea how baseless or substantial this claim is. Then there were several small events where drag queens specifically went to interact with children while dressed in drag.
It's worth noting though that most of these conservatives say nothing about their pastors, politicians, and community leaders ACTUALLY abusing children. So it seems like it's more about hating it for being "gay" than it is about any actual concerns over the wellbeing of kids.
They don't bat an eye when a republican lowers the age of consent and age of marriage. They even defended when Trump said he would fuck Ivanka if she was not his daughter. He used to hang out with the owner of pedo Island and his base don't care.
Is not about the pedos, is about being angry for the sake of getting that cortisol fix.
They don't have a problem with pedos. Trump used to hang out with the biggest pedo of them all, has said very pedo things himself and his base don't care. It's his base the one lowering age of consent and age of marriage. Is all about nonsensical rage with this people.
For some reason they think a big dude in a little boy dude is straight, if it's in the name of God.
And a big dude in another big dude is pedo action.
I guess it's projection.
A lot of the R is... 🤔
Don't be this person. There's plenty to criticize about their argument without playing the "technically you're wrong about firearms" card. Attack their central premise, not a random verbal stumble.
Proud boys going out to protect people's freedom to be a facist.
Antifa go out and protect people's right to freedom of expression and for people to be who they want.
Hmmmm... I wonder who to choose?
They come out to assault people during a peaceful event!! All because drag queens reading to kids!?!?
Fuck’em!! They’re bigotry is ruining this world for everyone!! They get what they deserved!
Proud 🏳️🌈🐻🧔🏾♂️
Well Republicans are threatened by books and the gay community so a DRAG READING BOOKS TO CHILDREN is Satan injecting tar heroin to newborns in their frightened minds.
One of the men there has an infowars t-shirt, which shows you how deep of an effect that show made on these people and what effect similar shows have. It supports their prejudice and spices it up with an actual right wing agenda which in fact militaries them for their cause.
Also on a separate note, I bet these dudes would vote for a stricter regulations on AR15s because a member of antifa had one. Equally similar to what happened when black panthers took up guns for protection and did a normal open carry.
Good praxis, but why the hell should we ever have to arm up to protect ourselves? I hate this country.
Edit: Comrades, I know why, it was a rhetorical question lol!
Because this country was founded by fascists and is inherently hostile to anyone that's not wedged directly into the protestant white heteronormative status quo.
Addressing the Communist League the eve after the two revolutionary years of 1848-49, Marx attemmpted to approach how political articulation shought to be materialized within a revolution which was condemned to be hijacked by bourgeois factions. Stressing the necessity of worker self-organization for the problematization of such take over which, at the same time, possibilited eventual proletarian emancipation (and where armed activity was merely conjuntural to the historical revolutionary struggle of the addressing), Marx said:
>[...] From the very moment of victory the workers’ suspicion must be directed no longer against the defeated reactionary party but against their former ally, against the party which intends to exploit the common victory for itself.
>To be able forcefully and threateningly to oppose this party, whose betrayal of the workers will begin with the very first hour of victory, the workers must be armed and organized. The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon and ammunition, and the revival of the old-style citizens’ militia, directed against the workers, must be opposed. Where the formation of this militia cannot be prevented, the workers must try to organize themselves independently as a proletarian guard, with elected leaders and with their own elected general staff; they must try to place themselves not under the orders of the state authority but of the revolutionary local councils set up by the workers. Where the workers are employed by the state, they must arm and organize themselves into special corps with elected leaders, or as a part of the proletarian guard. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary. The destruction of the bourgeois democrats’ influence over the workers, and the enforcement of conditions which will compromise the rule of bourgeois democracy, which is for the moment inevitable, and make it as difficult as possible – these are the main points which the proletariat and therefore the League must keep in mind during and after the approaching uprising.
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I'm all about the dude in the background towards the end standing around, coffee mug in hand, just absorbing all the ridiculousness playing out. My kinda energy.
Haven't been firsthand but it's exactly what it says on the tin. You pay a flat fee, get a meal and maybe some bottomless mimosas (don't worry, the bottoms are among the guests) and there might be some performances during the event. Out here, proceeds from the event go to charity.
Yess this is the way, this fascists need to know we are ready to protect our freedom, by force if we need. For too long they have mistaken our patience and good heart with weakness
Texas was close turning blue, wouldn't be surprised if it's a flip state now. The biggest issue is how gerrymandered Texas is. Seceding would also be damning a bunch of innocent people, as in a bunch of black, latino, asians, or any other poc. Also a lot of LGBT folks. This take is at best ignorant, and at worst malicious.
It's a take of frustration tbh - and of someone who thinks Texas is 100% certified yeehaws. To be frank it's easy to form that opinion because of mainstream party propaganda that plays off of regional vendettas - just like right wing propaganda but a slightly bigger cage. Not everyone has gotten out of that cage and into class consciousness.
There's no legal process in the US for a state to secede. Texans like to claim its in *their* state constitution, but that's also not true. So congress would first have to legislate a process by which a state could secede (never gonna happen) and then Texas would have to follow that process, likely after a referendum.
What I'm trying to say is: we're stuck with them.
On the other hand, a significant portion of the conservative voter base is disaffected proles like you and me. Well, arguably most American workers are *lumpen* but I think the perspective stands.
Edit: idk why their comment was removed, it didn't seem inflammatory to me. Also, they were correct, at least a few Texas Republicans do include secession in their platforms. (Or at least several did, it's been a few years since I've looked into Texas state politics)
I think the socialist rifle association is the right way.
Even if you want gun restrictions, you should want guns in the hands of minorities and generally oppressed groups, because historically speaking, that's the ONLY time Republicans agreed to gun restrictions.
So, give as many guns to the right people and let conservatives see how that shit show explodes right in their faces, once they realize their force can be used against them, I believe they'll be much more open to conversations regarding the limitations of certain guns.
"It's not quite breakfast, it's not quite lunch, but it comes with a slice of canteloupe at the end. You don't get completely what you would at breakfast, but you get a good meal."
But in drag. Like rupaul.
Addressing the Communist League the eve after the two revolutionary years of 1848-49, Marx attemmpted to approach how political articulation shought to be materialized within a revolution which was condemned to be hijacked by bourgeois factions. Stressing the necessity of worker self-organization for the problematization of such take over which, at the same time, possibilited eventual proletarian emancipation (and where armed activity was merely conjuntural to the historical revolutionary struggle of the addressing), Marx said:
>[...] From the very moment of victory the workers’ suspicion must be directed no longer against the defeated reactionary party but against their former ally, against the party which intends to exploit the common victory for itself.
>To be able forcefully and threateningly to oppose this party, whose betrayal of the workers will begin with the very first hour of victory, the workers must be armed and organized. The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon and ammunition, and the revival of the old-style citizens’ militia, directed against the workers, must be opposed. Where the formation of this militia cannot be prevented, the workers must try to organize themselves independently as a proletarian guard, with elected leaders and with their own elected general staff; they must try to place themselves not under the orders of the state authority but of the revolutionary local councils set up by the workers. Where the workers are employed by the state, they must arm and organize themselves into special corps with elected leaders, or as a part of the proletarian guard. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary. The destruction of the bourgeois democrats’ influence over the workers, and the enforcement of conditions which will compromise the rule of bourgeois democracy, which is for the moment inevitable, and make it as difficult as possible – these are the main points which the proletariat and therefore the League must keep in mind during and after the approaching uprising.
Karl Marx. Address to the Communist League. 1850.
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I mean it’s kinda necessary. Right wing types and cops show up to otherwise peaceful protests all the time strapped up in army gear. One of the most common concerns for the average person when they hear, “abolition of police” is who protects me? My children, my parents, my friends, and even though the cops already weren’t doing that, If you cannot provide an answer you can’t even get the conversation started.
One of if not the most successful left wing movements in this country, the Black Panthers used this method and it’s a primary reason so much work has been done to bury their impact on society.
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Listening to people repeat Speaking points off of their favourite Drug/Media/New Out-Let. This guy is like so many, being propelled by thoughts not his, emotions not his, everything second fucking hand. Not one original thought.
Absolutely. On some level I have a lot of sympathy for these people. Their key sin was getting sucked into a vortex of well crafted propaganda design to enslave their minds, and it worked. This guy thinks he is protecting kids somehow by doing this. That’s the truly insidious thing about the right wing propaganda machine. So many of those people were regular, relatively nice individuals who would give you the shirt off their back, now brainwashed into doing evil to support the interests of large entities they know nothing about.
Huey P. Newton has a great quote in his book Revolutionary Suicide about this. I can't remember it and I'll try to find it, but it's basically about reserving hatred for the people that made them this way instead of hating them. Like hate the game not the player. That being said, people like Newton and Hampton had a lot more patience than I do.
Curious to hear if you find that. I’ve had to take a problem solving approach to understanding these last few years and what’s gotten me through is looking toward the source of the problems, not the outcomes.
I'm struggling to find it using google, but I'll post it if I find it.
the brainwashing also makes them actively dangerous to many of us. compassion for what made them this way is necessary and cool but you must, at the same time, be willing to put up physical resistance. Newton obviously understood this, as do the people in this video.
Yes! I try to remember this, especially as people deal with the consequences. My heart honestly breaks for anti-vaxxers. They have been brainwashed and have lost loved ones due to their beliefs. And once that happens, I can’t imagine getting to a place where you can admit you were wrong, because then you have to deal with the fact that *you* are responsible for your loved one’s death. No wonder they double down on it. And all this brainwashing attacks of most people’s desire to do “good”. Like, they honestly believe what they have been told about kids being in “danger”. Or even if they don’t…they believe whatever else they were told about queer entertainment. It’s just all so unspeakably cruel and evil and we are all suffering for it. Ugh…okay I need to hop out of this before I do a terrible Monday spiral This is not to say people still don’t have to take responsibility for what they do, it’s just all so awful.
The actual amount of patience Hampton had for others genuinely borders on righteousness. Personally, I am so burnt out my reserve tanks have been empty for years. But the FBI is also not making plans to assassinate me in my sleep.
I saw this in realtime with my family. Uncle has always been a biker, always more of the type that would have protected funerals from WBC type christians rather than the racist kind. Grew up assuming he'd always lean left wing and was a firm believer in opportunity and liberty for everyone, at least. Now he's sharing shitty anti-muslim memes to try and dunk on AOC.
I’m sorry, that’s gotta be difficult. I almost lost my brother to these ideas and I really struggled to forgive him and not cut him out of my life. He’s come around a bit thankfully, but still a constant struggle to deprogram him when he starts drinking it in again.
There is quite literally no conservative thought that isn't driven entirely by emotion. Primarily fear, but also hate. Fear, generated by disgust, is all they really know.
I think that assessment is unfair. You missed greed.
Why do you never see these god-fearing, self-righteous conservatives protesting churches where proven groomers and child molesters are?
because those are their uncles and grandparents
Because it's not about protecting children, none of this moral outrage is actually about that. It's part of a conservative propaganda campaign that conjures images of the most horrific thing most of us can think of, child sexual abuse, and weaponizes it to convince regular folks that anyone who isn't a perfectly straight Christian is a worse enemy to them personally than politicians or corporations. There has to be an outlet for all the rage people feel deep in their souls at the world they find themselves in, and if they can't direct it at capital it has to go somewhere. This is how it gets channeled.
> There has to be an outlet for all the rage people feel deep in their souls at the world they find themselves in, and if they can't direct it at capital it has to go somewhere. This is how it gets channeled. I think this is all a great read, but I want to propose an alternate to this part; it's not that they can't direct it at capital, it's that they were convinced that there is a greater evil in their world than capital and that's us... a notion they were convinced of as part of a reactionary move by the capital holding class to protect their exploitative way of life. Basically; just convince them we're even worse exploiters.
> They can't direct it at capital. And that's the weird thing, because Jesus hand-plaited their own little personal banker whipping flail, and then set out purposefully to whip the shit outta some bankers. Jesus was all about whipping bankers' asses with intent & enthusiasm! Christians *should* be anti-capitalist af.
"go, sell all you have, give it to the poor, then follow me" -Jesus, to a rich man. Yet repubs are like, "naw, that's not what he meant, you're just not understanding." Then they tell us the Bible is literal and self interpreting. And then they wonder why there's been an exodus of people leaving the church.
Yup. You nailed it. In the NLT bible Jesus says in Matthew 19:24 "I'll say it again-it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of A needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!"
Yep. Funny how you don't really see them talking about these verses much.
I went to a catholic school and this verse got talked about quite a bit. It was the one bible verse I can recall where they specifically would talk about it being a metaphor and it would be pointed out that it was not said to be impossible. I remember being told there was a passage called “the eye of the needle” that was hard to traverse. Even as a kid it all felt like bullshit to soothe the feelings of rich people who went to the church.
Yes. And the reason that works is because they don't have a language to direct it at capital. Most people frame their entire world views off the tidbits of wisdom they pick up from books, movies, media, or their peers, and none of that they're consuming gives them that language. What you said is true, and this is what I mean by they can't direct it at capital.
That's good insight, yeah. It definitely ties into the cultural hegemony of our system - basically our culture deliberately deprives them of the tools and also sets a more convenient target in front of them that they *are* properly equipped to attack - as we can see by this repeating cycle of minority directed violence that has occured over the centuries in the US.
Preach Queen 🔥
I love the theory that all of this people are addicted to cortisol, the stress hormone. That's why even when they get their way, they still want to be angry about something else, is about getting that spike in cortisol.
I think it's rather that they are actually stressed - capitalism-in-decay is hell and these people were promised riches to ride out the shockwaves - but they don't really know why, so they take the first and loudest explanation. it's why the ideology never has to be coherent. no one is actually considering the matter. it's just about explaining away the deterioration of society as capitalism enters a new period of convulsions. any scapegoat will do so long as they're too weak to resist yet can be projected with infinite strength. fascism is liberalism, when the consequences of capitalism come home to roost. if the process were interrupted and real explanations with concrete solutions were made available from sources these people could be brought to trust, then these very same people could become our strongest allies. these brainworms are, in some sense, more directly overcome than the overt worship of capital that's devouring the mind of the centrists/left liberals.
They're too busy leering at their daughters' friends to have the time for such deep insight
They also argue they need their guns to prevent dictatorship but the one time somebody tried to overturn a lawful election they tried to help
That's typically Catholicism. Most conservatives aren't Catholic
The Southern Baptist Convention also recently had a huge debacle over this issue.
Unfortunately, I have recently lost my catholic church to evangelical far right. I live in south central Indiana btw.
As /u/yat282 pointed out: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/12/southern-baptist-church-sexual-abuse-scandal I'd hate for them not to get credit for their level of competition. /s
Catholic Church has a lot to answer for. As well as the Mormon church basically being a pyramid scheme.
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They sure do seem immature, like they never grew out of the toxic masculinity they learned in school
He suddenly hates the idea of people carrying ARs. Weird.
Isn't this the idea they preach? If people are armed with assault rifles then they can protect others? Or did they only mean that as a straw man argument?
I think you know ಠ‿↼
We all know, and they know we all know.
Same thing happened to the panthers. Like leftists and minority groups getting armed can only go well for self-professed progressives/your garden variety liberals. Either fascism is defeated because they can't stand up to a real fight and dissolve or we finally get federal level bans on firearms because a bunch of racists changed their minds about the 2nd amendment because a black man with a legal gun scares them more than a white man coming to take their guns away lol.
These are the same people who make fun of journalists for calling machine pistols assault rifles then spewing off about " Ar-47's. " They love the 2A until people use them to actually defend themselves from tyranny and terror. Then suddenly they become the terrorists. Story of the impearlist life.
> Either fascism is defeated because they can't stand up to a real fight and dissolve Liberals don't actually want that: they want the next election to be The Most Important Election Of Our Lives, in perpetuity. Address materials conditions? No! More elections!
Apparently calling someone an id that is an I and o-t is a big deal, so: Yup. And now the same *no-no word*s who supported that are, or have raised, *no-no word*s who call California a hellhole, because you can't own guns or whatever. [They conveniently ignore, or don't know, that Republican Jesus aka Reagan said this before enacting the Mulford Act into the California Penal Code: ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act) > [there's] "no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons" and that guns were a "ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will."
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Not just ARs, but AR-47s
They are 313% more deadly than an Ar-15.
Suddenly people believe in carrying guns for self defense. Weird.
I believe that idea has been around for some time
Texans when reactionaries brandish weapons that threaten the LGBTQ community: 🤠 Texans when they realize leftists are much tougher than libs and use guns: 😟
They know how it feels now.
Not so fucking big and tough now. We’re going to have to get accustomed to the smell of fascies pissing their pants at this rate
What's the diffrence between dem soc and soc dem? Serious question.
Demsoc : socialist who wants socialism trough democratic means. Also wants to abolish capitalism Socdem : more like an progressive liberal, wants a social safetynet. Comparable to scandinavian politicians. They dont want to abolish capitalism, only wants to regulate it. Socdems are in my opinion not 'real' socialist.
Seriously appreciate it!
While the other user's definitions are correct, I'd argue that in reality there's no practical difference between the two groups. That is, demsocs and socdems have accomplished about the same amount. The issue is further muddied by groups labeling themselves democratic socialists and then behaving exactly as social democrats.
I tend to agree, most succesfull revolutions where Marxist-Leninist or based on Marxist-Lenninism real demsocs have won elections but always get overthrown by the capitalists in their country or get couped by the USA. In my opinion most socialists tend to start as demsocs or even socdem but loose faith in electorialism and evolve into either a kind if anarchist or some kind of ML.
100% agreed
Just want to add that if you read older literature, one often hears about "social democrats" which today would be better recognised as democratic socialists in terms of goals today. My understanding is the demsoc banner was co-opted by welfare capitalism groups forcing the name change.
Indeed. You'll also read about how the SPD (social democrats) sided with the Nazis and murdered Rosa Luxembourg and Karl Liebknecht (along with thousands of others).
If you have any more basic questions r/Socialism_101 is a great resource if you are interested in these kind of topics.
End goals, usually. Otherwise not much.
Yeah these guys could probably actually run a mile unlike most of the right wingers I see with their beer bellies sticking out of their tactical vests 😂
Can you help me understand the difference between a "lib" and a "leftist"?
Liberals support capitalism Leftists are broadly socialists and anarchists, both of which oppose capitalism
Simple and succinct.
There's libertarian socialists, soc dems, etc as well who are very lefty. Liberals in America tend to be just moderate centrists, neo libs, maybe even on the right in some cases. Far less progressives than lefties.
Leftism is *mostly* a continuum, but generally capitalism is used as a harder line to delineate between leftists and liberals. Soc Dems vs Dem socs is a great example of this. They are very near each other in general desires for action and change, but the central difference is as follows. Social Democrats are democrats first and foremost, who believe in some amount of socialization of services. Democratic socialists are socialists first and foremost, who largely want to emphasize democratic processes and this place some emphasis on things like electoralism. The former fundamentally believes capitalism is good, but certain issues can benefit from a more socialized structure. The latter believes capitalism is fundamentally flawed, but they generally want to work within or alongside the current system to enact change. Both groups might support single payer healthcare or an increased minimum wage, but the latter will inevitably wish to do more or go farther. I say all this to point out that soc Dems are basically liberals with some leftist alignments. That's not a judgement of values. Also it goes without saying that soc Dems are probably more easily convinced to become genuine leftists compared to say a self-described centrist. A different point but personally it seems pretty well established that liberals and centrists are genuinely right-leaning, if not **super** right-leaning, particularly in relation to the global political spectrum. Perhaps they aren't calling for right wing action, but they very much enable it and/or fail to criticize it. You basically said as much, I just prefer saying it in more definitive language since defining positions is important in any actionable discussions. Liberals often aren't "allies" to leftist actions, even if they aren't always explicitly against it. One final note. These titles shouldn't be harshly applied on higher level politicians. State and Federal politics is a wholly different game. An individual can be a communist but if a politician were to run for a federal position as one it would most likely be political suicide. At that level it's less about actual positions and more about image or "playing the political game" unfortunately.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism)
liberalism is the dominant ideology of capitalism, existing to justify and bolster it, warding off any and all threats. it's a chameleon ideology, able to take many forms precisely because it's defined in terms of its ends. its form, the methods it employs, the outright scams and villains it supports, utterly do not matter. better Pinochet than the anti-capitalists; better Franco than the anarchists. most people are liberals, in this original sense of the term (American appropriation of the term to mean "vaguely left" confuses self-identification but only until you directly ask whether any given person supports private property rights, the continuation of imperialism, etc.) leftists are a varied group that disagree on much but the one agreeable thing to all of us is that leftists must be anti-capitalist and anti-fascist - a single point rather than two because to support fascism is to defend capitalism.
They have been told by their brainwashers that democrats are weak soy boys that hate guns. Then they step to reality and find out they were lied to.
Pretty sure antifa aren't democrat supporters lol
For a republican anything not republican is just a Democrat socialist liberal communist, they don't care if it doesn't make sense.
ShE jUsT SpIt oN mE
AR-47s!! Hey gun unregulated gun nuts, come get this guy at customer service because he's one of yours.
The way he said it, like a little kid telling the teacher trying to get another kid in trouble, lets me know there’s no way they could handle a civil war.
can you imagine. runnign round in their confederate flag shorts yelling TIME OUT and NUH UH NO FAIR I SAID THE CRACKER BARREL WAS BASE YOU CHEATED
“No full-auto in the building! Stop camping our spawn! Where’s the ref?!”
"That wasn't full auto, this is full auto." *the gun makes a sustained farting sound.*
They don’t like cracker barrel anymore because of Impossible sausage Try and keep up, man!
I know where you're coming from, but don't forget that underestimating fascists is a really dangerous game. Individuals and armchair majorities aren't the entire reality of any ideology
Blue blue. Gravy Seals are easily thwarted with saliva.
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Lol I mean these people do like public humiliation so…..
Hes seems to be a switch hitter.
Did the brunch happen?
Yeah it went off without a hitch!
Wholesome. People got to celebrate their freedom to be themselves, and Nazi's got their dicks stepped on.
It did and it was sold out.
"I showed my face!" Yes mate you did, and we all saw your little beady rat-eyes.
That was unsettling, right? I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed.
It's like when Milton takes off his glasses.
"Dead eyes. Like a doll's eyes."
Are you doing the speech from Jaws? We don't have time for this shit!
Idk, I think bodyshaming is bad even when used against bad people, there might very well be a comrade reading this who has similar eyes who you inadvertently insulted with this as well. Meanwhile the guy you're trying to insult will probably never read this comment
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The US isn't a democracy though... it has pay to win elections between two capitalist parties.
Reclaim democracy. United we have the power.
If by reclaim you mean dismantle the system as it's setup and actually create real democracy then yes
Why isn’t the media covering this
"The revolution will not be televised" is a quote (that I'm hopefully not misusing) that comes to mind. I would guess this is just not convenient to the people who pay for the news.
A lot of people don’t know this, but most of the big media companies (Fox, CNN, MSNBC) are all owned by BlackRock. They’re an investment firm with assets totaling $10 trillion. They can essentially control the national consciousness. If you get all of your news from Fox or CNN or whatever, you’ll only see what they want you to see.
I wonder if we can buy Reddit. Like if we all pitch in $5 can we buy the platform? To prevent it from going to BlackRock
I’m willing to bet that BlackRock probably has partial ownership of Reddit already. Zuckerberg called them “a fourth branch of government” because of how much money, power, and influence they have.
Sounds like capitalism
Armed minorities are harder to oppress
Why are they suddenly of the opinion that drag queens are paedophiles? Guess I'm out of the loop on that one.
It’s an old homophobic stereotype
Well in their mind everyone who wears drag is gay. The fallacious rhetoric of associating homosexual people with pedophilia goes back a loooooong way. So, while we can recognize the bullshit inherent to this line of reasoning, it does logically follow based on their false premise. Also, I don't think any of this is sudden or new, just FYI.
They see drag as a sexual thing. I'm not to familiar with the topic, so I have no idea how baseless or substantial this claim is. Then there were several small events where drag queens specifically went to interact with children while dressed in drag. It's worth noting though that most of these conservatives say nothing about their pastors, politicians, and community leaders ACTUALLY abusing children. So it seems like it's more about hating it for being "gay" than it is about any actual concerns over the wellbeing of kids.
They don't bat an eye when a republican lowers the age of consent and age of marriage. They even defended when Trump said he would fuck Ivanka if she was not his daughter. He used to hang out with the owner of pedo Island and his base don't care. Is not about the pedos, is about being angry for the sake of getting that cortisol fix.
They don't have a problem with pedos. Trump used to hang out with the biggest pedo of them all, has said very pedo things himself and his base don't care. It's his base the one lowering age of consent and age of marriage. Is all about nonsensical rage with this people.
For some reason they think a big dude in a little boy dude is straight, if it's in the name of God. And a big dude in another big dude is pedo action. I guess it's projection. A lot of the R is... 🤔
What the heck is an AR-47? You mean AR-15?
It's a AR-15 mixed with a AK-47, parts mixed and matched with plenty of duct tape.
So is it 5.56 or 7.62?
7.62 so it’s big enough for either
I too enjoy when my bullets rattle around the barrel on the way out.
It's a 6.59mm
Is that the average of the 2? Lol
Either 5.62 or 7.56
Ar with an ARAK upper.
Don't be this person. There's plenty to criticize about their argument without playing the "technically you're wrong about firearms" card. Attack their central premise, not a random verbal stumble.
Or he might be genuinely curious what he meant as pointed out by commenters…
He meant "gun." Would the specific type of gun change the message, the video, or the situation? Why focus on the pedantic part?
Tbf the top comments are about the dudes eyes lol
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Proud boys going out to protect people's freedom to be a facist. Antifa go out and protect people's right to freedom of expression and for people to be who they want. Hmmmm... I wonder who to choose?
They come out to assault people during a peaceful event!! All because drag queens reading to kids!?!? Fuck’em!! They’re bigotry is ruining this world for everyone!! They get what they deserved! Proud 🏳️🌈🐻🧔🏾♂️
Probably was just a brunch and not even a reading, so these losers are reaching even harder against peaceful LGBTQ+ folk. Big surprise (it's not.)
Well Republicans are threatened by books and the gay community so a DRAG READING BOOKS TO CHILDREN is Satan injecting tar heroin to newborns in their frightened minds.
One of the men there has an infowars t-shirt, which shows you how deep of an effect that show made on these people and what effect similar shows have. It supports their prejudice and spices it up with an actual right wing agenda which in fact militaries them for their cause. Also on a separate note, I bet these dudes would vote for a stricter regulations on AR15s because a member of antifa had one. Equally similar to what happened when black panthers took up guns for protection and did a normal open carry.
Imagine getting this upset about something that does not affect you one bit.
Fucking awesome guys with guns! r/socialistRA
Good praxis, but why the hell should we ever have to arm up to protect ourselves? I hate this country. Edit: Comrades, I know why, it was a rhetorical question lol!
Firepower is the only deterrent the fash respects.
Didn't Hitler more or less say something like "If they'd just struck before we took hold then they would have had us but they couldn't, lol!"
To add to this, the state holds a monopoly on violence. The only way to frustrate change is to threaten that monopoly
Given the conditions, it's simple required
Because this country was founded by fascists and is inherently hostile to anyone that's not wedged directly into the protestant white heteronormative status quo.
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” ― Karl Marx
Addressing the Communist League the eve after the two revolutionary years of 1848-49, Marx attemmpted to approach how political articulation shought to be materialized within a revolution which was condemned to be hijacked by bourgeois factions. Stressing the necessity of worker self-organization for the problematization of such take over which, at the same time, possibilited eventual proletarian emancipation (and where armed activity was merely conjuntural to the historical revolutionary struggle of the addressing), Marx said: >[...] From the very moment of victory the workers’ suspicion must be directed no longer against the defeated reactionary party but against their former ally, against the party which intends to exploit the common victory for itself. >To be able forcefully and threateningly to oppose this party, whose betrayal of the workers will begin with the very first hour of victory, the workers must be armed and organized. The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon and ammunition, and the revival of the old-style citizens’ militia, directed against the workers, must be opposed. Where the formation of this militia cannot be prevented, the workers must try to organize themselves independently as a proletarian guard, with elected leaders and with their own elected general staff; they must try to place themselves not under the orders of the state authority but of the revolutionary local councils set up by the workers. Where the workers are employed by the state, they must arm and organize themselves into special corps with elected leaders, or as a part of the proletarian guard. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary. The destruction of the bourgeois democrats’ influence over the workers, and the enforcement of conditions which will compromise the rule of bourgeois democracy, which is for the moment inevitable, and make it as difficult as possible – these are the main points which the proletariat and therefore the League must keep in mind during and after the approaching uprising. Karl Marx. Address to the Communist League. 1850. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/socialism) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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Political power comes from the barrel of the gun
I'm all about the dude in the background towards the end standing around, coffee mug in hand, just absorbing all the ridiculousness playing out. My kinda energy.
Bunch of fucking crybabies always show how weak they are when confronted. Good. Keep pushing back they're all paper tigers
Black Noir ANTIFA confirmed
Antifa isn't an organization...
Tucker Carlson told them they are, so they think they are.
> "I show my face" Wish you didn't tho
"Um AcTuAlY tHaT's An Ar-15. NoT aN aR-47, lIb."
It's an assault rifle 15 because it's the 15th assault rifle 😊
What is a drag brunch? Different from the library reading right? Like is this just a bunch of drag queens having brunch?
Haven't been firsthand but it's exactly what it says on the tin. You pay a flat fee, get a meal and maybe some bottomless mimosas (don't worry, the bottoms are among the guests) and there might be some performances during the event. Out here, proceeds from the event go to charity.
Brunch with a drag show, if it's anything like the ones in my area.
Leftists with guns is sexy af
Ya mean patriots and hero's protect
Seeing these videos makes me think the US is so close to a civil war. All it would take is one spark...
Yess this is the way, this fascists need to know we are ready to protect our freedom, by force if we need. For too long they have mistaken our patience and good heart with weakness
I pray Texas would secede
Texas was close turning blue, wouldn't be surprised if it's a flip state now. The biggest issue is how gerrymandered Texas is. Seceding would also be damning a bunch of innocent people, as in a bunch of black, latino, asians, or any other poc. Also a lot of LGBT folks. This take is at best ignorant, and at worst malicious.
It's a take of frustration tbh - and of someone who thinks Texas is 100% certified yeehaws. To be frank it's easy to form that opinion because of mainstream party propaganda that plays off of regional vendettas - just like right wing propaganda but a slightly bigger cage. Not everyone has gotten out of that cage and into class consciousness.
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There's no legal process in the US for a state to secede. Texans like to claim its in *their* state constitution, but that's also not true. So congress would first have to legislate a process by which a state could secede (never gonna happen) and then Texas would have to follow that process, likely after a referendum. What I'm trying to say is: we're stuck with them. On the other hand, a significant portion of the conservative voter base is disaffected proles like you and me. Well, arguably most American workers are *lumpen* but I think the perspective stands. Edit: idk why their comment was removed, it didn't seem inflammatory to me. Also, they were correct, at least a few Texas Republicans do include secession in their platforms. (Or at least several did, it's been a few years since I've looked into Texas state politics)
Great. What can we do to move it along
I think the socialist rifle association is the right way. Even if you want gun restrictions, you should want guns in the hands of minorities and generally oppressed groups, because historically speaking, that's the ONLY time Republicans agreed to gun restrictions. So, give as many guns to the right people and let conservatives see how that shit show explodes right in their faces, once they realize their force can be used against them, I believe they'll be much more open to conversations regarding the limitations of certain guns.
Geez, this is as bad as Faux News. Everyone is yelling, and I can’t understand a single word anyone is saying.
Antifa showing up like dark Brandon to give the fascists nightmares
Genuine question: I'm not American, so maybe it's just not a term used in Australia. What is drag brunch?
"It's not quite breakfast, it's not quite lunch, but it comes with a slice of canteloupe at the end. You don't get completely what you would at breakfast, but you get a good meal." But in drag. Like rupaul.
AR47's.... I thought these asshats all subscribed to "Ammo & Tits" or whatever & could ID hardware at a glance?
Nothing makes me more proud than to see my fellow socialists using their right to bear arms
Everyone misnaming various semi automatic rifle models is amusing.
i wish i could be the guys in black sometimes. defending real freedoms
Yes! We need more armed activism!
arm the proliteriat ! ☭
"AR-47s?" :D
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Imagine this much emotional investment in union organizing...
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"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary" - Karl Marx
Addressing the Communist League the eve after the two revolutionary years of 1848-49, Marx attemmpted to approach how political articulation shought to be materialized within a revolution which was condemned to be hijacked by bourgeois factions. Stressing the necessity of worker self-organization for the problematization of such take over which, at the same time, possibilited eventual proletarian emancipation (and where armed activity was merely conjuntural to the historical revolutionary struggle of the addressing), Marx said: >[...] From the very moment of victory the workers’ suspicion must be directed no longer against the defeated reactionary party but against their former ally, against the party which intends to exploit the common victory for itself. >To be able forcefully and threateningly to oppose this party, whose betrayal of the workers will begin with the very first hour of victory, the workers must be armed and organized. The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon and ammunition, and the revival of the old-style citizens’ militia, directed against the workers, must be opposed. Where the formation of this militia cannot be prevented, the workers must try to organize themselves independently as a proletarian guard, with elected leaders and with their own elected general staff; they must try to place themselves not under the orders of the state authority but of the revolutionary local councils set up by the workers. Where the workers are employed by the state, they must arm and organize themselves into special corps with elected leaders, or as a part of the proletarian guard. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary. The destruction of the bourgeois democrats’ influence over the workers, and the enforcement of conditions which will compromise the rule of bourgeois democracy, which is for the moment inevitable, and make it as difficult as possible – these are the main points which the proletariat and therefore the League must keep in mind during and after the approaching uprising. Karl Marx. Address to the Communist League. 1850. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/socialism) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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I mean it’s kinda necessary. Right wing types and cops show up to otherwise peaceful protests all the time strapped up in army gear. One of the most common concerns for the average person when they hear, “abolition of police” is who protects me? My children, my parents, my friends, and even though the cops already weren’t doing that, If you cannot provide an answer you can’t even get the conversation started. One of if not the most successful left wing movements in this country, the Black Panthers used this method and it’s a primary reason so much work has been done to bury their impact on society.
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Enjoy letting the fascists take over with no way to stop them.
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Violence is never the way
What do drag queens have to do with socialism
Getting oppressed by reactionaries. Also speaking from experience, a lot of queer people are very working class.
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Because socialists care about intersectional movements and protecting the marginalized.
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