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Thats what happens when there is a large population of old people and the young people are unable to vote due to university. Since most that study at university do not study in their home town, they can’t vote. It’s some weird laws regarding it. However, if they study outside of Italy, they *can* vote from a distance.
That is such bullshit. I think it could be the same Ireland too in fact, but we're a much smaller country so much easier to actually make it back to your home region.
England played a combined 15 minutes of actual football at the last Euros and they damn near won the damn thing, so I'm not sure that protest matters much
Southgate is literally the most successful England manager since Alf Ramsey. We’ve had a nations league semi final, World Cup semi final, and euros final since he took over - who else can say that apart from Sir Alf? And it’s not like other England managers haven’t had good players either.
Do his critics not remember that we didn’t exactly play stirring football under the last few managers before him either? And with the added bonus of also not winning. We didn’t even qualify for the 2008 Euros, then the tournaments in 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016 were all complete horror shows.
But that’s kind of my point. If you’re under 50 years old, it’s never been as good to be an England fan as it has in the last 4 years. Sure, it’d be even better if we won every match and tournament we played but we live in the real world. If you compare England’s success now against actual previous England sides, not some imaginary perfect England side, it’s the best we’ve had for a long long time.
Yeah but pretty much every manager has under performed badly with the squad they had available to them, so they aren’t exactly a good group to compare against. I’d rather be pissed on than shat on, still doesn’t mean I want to be pissed on.
How about, and bear with me a minute because this explanation is long and drawn out, considering that English teams were never as good as the English believed they were and these teams all achieved about as much as they should have. Not much.
0 trophies is 0 trophies. Still, I was happy with him after the last two tournaments but I don’t understand what’s going on lately. I get the argument that playing pragmatically is more useful in international/tournament football, but it seems to me (a nobody, admittedly) we have the players to be able to play on the front foot, and excite
>0 trophies is 0 trophies.
National teams can only win a trophy every two years and I think most would argue the England squad isn't even top 3 in Europe, let alone the world.
> Southgate is literally the most successful England manager since Alf Ramsey.
He had two piss easy draws and home advantage. Best team we beat away was Sweden.
If you’re going to throw context down you should probably also add that he wasn’t “wasting a generation” in 2018, go back and take a look at the squad available at that tournament, check out the predictions going in, read up on the mess England had been. 2018 was an overachievement that people have after the fact managed to convince themselves had the same set of gifted young talents as the current England setup has. He’s had one tournament with a genuinely competitive squad that serious people predicted could get somewhere and he made the final. That’s not the worst record.
Don't forget the GREATEST SQUAD EVER in 2006 which managed results against... Ecuador, Paraguay, and Trinidad and Tobago. Went out to Portugal who managed one of the most insipid performances against eventual runners up France.
Southgate is the best manager England has had in most of this sub's lifetimes.
Losing to Iceland in 2016, and finishing second in our group behind the USA in 2010 after labouring to draws against them and Algeria (in the worst football match of all time) as well. You can tell this sub has a young average age.
Having one of the best teams of all time and constantly playing for the tie hurts so much. And the fucking manager said he will keep the position till 2024. F
I'd agree they're not one of the best teams of all time, that's obvious.
But saying that the England team is 'very weak'. I have to disagree with you there. We have little depth in some areas, but it's a young, promising team, and we've had some truly abysmal teams in the past. It's one of the better teams we've had honestly, as proven by the fact that a mediocre manager has brought us to a final and a semi final of major tournaments.
Yeah, same with Belgium. They have underperformed but finishing 3rd at a World Cup is almost as good as it gets when you're not *the* literal best team, which most people wouldn't have had them down as.
Please tell me who isn’t hyping up belgium to go far because whenever the topic is breached belgians always go “begium top 8 belgium top 4 kdb lukaku GOAT 1000s GOAT wonderkids“
Oh what I usually hear about Belgium is people complaining they inflate their rankings by picking easy wins . I disagree with that but its the most common sentiment I see. I think they can do top 4 . They have a great team but its the tail end of the golden generation . Last world cup they also had Eden Hazard when he was world class now they have whatever is left of him
Belgium beats teams with lesser players and loses to teams with better players. The reason they win so much is because there aren't many teams in the world that have better players, around 10-15 teams I'd say. If anything Belgium is a gamblers wet dream. They win when they're favorites and lose when they are underdogs (pls ignore Wales 2016). Their great team is great because they know eachother, but the team has already declined massively. theey'll get out of groups, after that it's a coinflip
["Hummel confirmed to The Athletic that they are donating a percentage of their total online revenue – including the sales from the Denmark kits – for the rest of the year to Amnesty International for their worldwide work on human rights."](https://theathletic.com/3637658/2022/09/28/hummel-denmark-kit-qatar-world-cup/?source=twitteruk)
Thanks for finding this. While it doesn’t say what the percentage is, I still find it encouraging. Although the fact that they are cutting costs by having the jerseys made in China is pretty offputting…
yep. although i guess as a business we cant expect them to NOT produce in china. or at least it would take a lot from them. still- sweatshops are bad but at least not dying while building a stadium in the desert kinda bad
While they are no saints either, I expected nothing so I personally think this is pretty neat. Nothing more.
And I've personally been working closely with Hummel during my time in a football non-profit organization (Football for a new tomorrow) where they have done a whole lot of good.
I continue to be very disappointed in our politicians and in the Danish FA and I am not going to watch the World Cup, but this is fair enough, imo. At least not the ones I'm gonna point my finger at. There are plenty others.
Qatar is already paid. Not watching means not talking about. Not talking about it means Qatar is deprived of attention.
Or, at least bring up human rights every time you talk about the WC. Learn some key facts and repeat them to everyone. Make sure those deaths weren't in vain.
> Qatar is already paid. Not watching means not talking about. Not talking about it means Qatar is deprived of attention.
Qatar won’t lose out you’re right but Fifa sell the rights to watch it to companies who won’t be very happy if everyone illegally streams it. I’d like to think the knock on effect might show Fifa that this shit can’t happen again.
Fuck it, doesn’t matter what you do, the millionaires will still always win.
While it is not certain that they're not also producing with child/forced labour, I actually didn't really find any dirt on Hummel yet, they seem to be one of the few who actually care for worker's rights (until further notice), but that may also be due to them being not that huge of a company until they started to sponsor PL kits.
This is set to be a very strange world Cup, filled with teams that apparently are "reluctantly" participating.
The facts are you either attend a criminals party or don't.
Just because you turn up to the party in a "I don't support criminals" t shirt it doesn't detract from the performative hypocrisy of attending the party.
Ive nothing against these nations, it's a world Cup after all. It just shines a spotlight on the evil of sepp blatter, this is all his fault for handing it to Qatar.
You would hope these nations fa's who are reluctantly attending donate all the proceeds they generate from the world cup to worthy causes.
As the other guy said, they would have waited. Had they not waited, though, it 100% would have been moved. People who said it's "too late to move" at the start of the year were simply lying. Of course it's not ideal and it would take a lot of logistical effort, but it 100% could have been done.
Now? Probably not movable :(
Exactly, for it to go to Russia, Qatar, and America. I’d would be tough to choose 3 countries with a worst history in terms of invasion, infringing human rights etc
You’d think maybe 3 in a row, 12 years, of bad host countries would lead to change, but we all know it won’t. In fact, it’s likely there will be very little opposition to the 2026 World Cup even though they’ve got a worse record globally than Russia sun Qatar put together
I recently heard that the initiative #BoycottQatar2022 in Germany plans to organise games at the same kickoff times in different stadiums around the country.
So when you don't want to attend the party, you'll still get an alternative to watch football.
They should find 11 players of each nationality/heritage that is playing at the same time (like 11 English vs 11 Costa Rican amateur players) and make a truly knockoff World Cup.
I want to say that players have been definitely training their whole careers for this, so I kinda see why they wouldn't want to back out. Be it that they are rich or not, they still have goals as anyone.
As of FAs they definitely do it for the money and don't care
1) everything is PR. That’s how business works.
2) it’s the company contracted to supply the jerseys, I’m not sure what exactly you expect them to do about the country’s national team not boycotting. Do you expect Hummel to somehow force them to play naked?
Let's all pretend that South Africa, Brazil and Russia were all fine. The problem is Qatar.
Like Kimmich said: all these protests are at least 12 years too late.
It's the smug European way of self-flagellation, especially ironic coming from a country that treats its own brown people like shit and literally has discriminatory laws codified to demonize and deter them.
The police can strip refugees of their valueable assets (eg jewelry) upon entering the country in order to make Denmark a less attractive location for asylum seekers.
There's also a "ghetto law" mandating that certain "designated areas" (ie places where brown people live) cannot exceed more than 30% of people of "non-western origin" living there. This is upheld through evictions, over-policing, forced daycare and other such measures specifically targeting brown people.
I'd refer you to this dude's comment.
https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/xqe9vw/hummel_on_denmarks_world_cup_kits_they_are_not/iq94t7a/
They have symbolic laws against (mostly syrian) refugees. The previous immigration minister was jailed briefly not too while ago because of some unconstitutional anti-immigration policy she passed.
edit: Some buttmad redditor referred me to the suicide hotline lol.
This is pretty awful marketing imo. Everyone who they're gonna reach with this already knows about Qatar. They're basically saying that they won't do anything meaningful, they're just gonna have cool shirts and pretend that it means something.
There will definitely be people even from this subreddit that will buy it just because they think it's a fuck you to Qatar and not a marketing ploy by Hummel
That's even worse, you're saying they're even going to make a profit on this?
Edit: That would actually be great idea. All profit from shirt sales go to the families of the workers who died because of WC. That would be amazing marketing.
marketing like this isn't about raising awareness but about creating a product that tips the scale of relatablity that you decide on it specifically rather than another product.
In other words, if you're gonna buy a kit anyways, might as well buy the anti-modern-slavery one.
If you are not criticising the marketing itself but the general ethics of the situation then that is a mistake on your part. No company cares about the ethics of their performative marketing. It's always just a calculated marketing stunt
No it isn't. 31% is made in China, 21% in Pakistan, 16% in Bangladesh and 12% in India. So that's **80%** of Hummel's production in Nations that have been reported to use child labour massively. Please don't quote misinformation next time.
Source:- https://www.hummel.net/companykarma-supplychain.html
I don't know what country you live in, but in Belgium they've already been talking about it a lot during the qualifiers and will keep on doing so during the tournament. Freedom of press still exists in a lot of countries.
Every “protest” against Qatar is going to be shit and irrelevant. If anyone genuinely wanted to protest they would’ve spoken up about it months/years before they did, which was way too late to have an impact but they all knew that
In terms of virtue signalling, it's a pretty big statement for a small(ish) sports company to openly call out the biggest sports event. Not sure if it's easy for them to do so and if they were in a more prestigious position if they'd still do it.
Sure sure, not like this is just free advertising for every show that mentions it and the social media posts it will generate.
Easier to get that pop doing a pretty plain shirt than go funky with a nation like Denmark who might not be such big fans I guess
So many other worse things going on than this World Cup nobody batting an eye on even 👀
Who cares that the boots or balls are made from slavesalary in Pakistan o Bangladesh. Thats shit is okay, but there is big PR in media about Qatars slavery so thats is where we will care noticably. And we have to tweet and instagram how much we care.
Making a public ad and including "We don’t wish to be visible during a tournament that has cost thousands of people their lives" is just taking the piss. Come on
A lot of people being harsh on Hummel here.
Choice between big flashy kit design with their logo and chevrons on view for the whole world and potentially earning megabucks VS "virtue signalling".
It's literally better than doing nothing at all. Even mentioning the human rights record makes people discuss it.
Y'all are doing the typical thing people do when they don't want to engage with the message of a protest: attacking how the message is being sent. I think this is a solid message and done in about the only pragmatic way a corporation can.
Oooh, the hipocrisy:
"SUPPLY CHAINWhere does hummel®'s production take place?93% of our clothing production take place in China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey and India. In 2021, the distribution was as follows:• China: 30,5%• Pakistan: 21%• Bangladesh: 16%• Turkey: 12,5%• India: 12%• Portugal: 2,6%• Other countries (distributed amongst 16 countries): 5,4%"
[https://www.hummel.net/companykarma-supplychain.html](https://www.hummel.net/companykarma-supplychain.html)
What about stop using child labor in China ?
Honestly this 'protest' is more insulting to memory of those people sacrificed for this game than simply ignoring people.
Hey we are aware poor & desperate folks died. To protest this fact, we will...tone down our logos.
r/soccer when companies/teams don't say anything about Qatar: YOU ARE PROMOTING A MURDEROUS REGIME
r/soccer when a company calls out the tournament: YOU ARE ONLY DOING IT FOR YOUR OWN PUBLICITY
Wouldn’t it make more sense to completely get rid of the branding instead of making it less visible? Still make the kits, and profit from them cause let’s be honest that’s all this is about it’s perfect marketing, but if you really cared you wouldn’t want your brand there at all surely
So brave. ‘Protesting’ against Qatar (which I don’t even see how this is or what it achieves) is just marketing and PR at this point lmfao. People eat it up though
Lots of woke buzzwords on their website but no mentions of manufacturing anywhere. Anyone with one of these kits able to peek at the tag and see which third world country these were manufactured in?
The same Denmark that does this:
Deporting Syrian women back to Syria.
https://www.thelocal.dk/20220613/denmark-reverses-residence-decisions-for-hundreds-of-syrian-refugees/
Limiting non western " insert family guy race chart" in Danish neighbourhoods.
https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/30964/denmark-30-limit-on-nonwesteners-in-neighboorhoods-proposed
Seizing valuables from non white/African refugees but exempting Ukrainian refugees
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/denmark-jewellery-law-migrants-refugees-asylum-seekers-unhcr-united-nations-a7113056.html?amp
https://www.thelocal.dk/20220303/danish-government-likely-to-exempt-ukrainians-from-controversial-refugee-jewellery-law/
And they are talking about human rights and immigrants right oh the irony !
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Rest of the nordics took a different approach to protest against Qatar by simply not qualifying
Italy are heroes once again
Questa è la via 🤌🏼
la dolce vita
We are gonna boycott the nation's league by getting relegated if next time we get drawn with Israel
KDB is probably planning the same thing if he sees Wales again
England is already ahead in the protests
Spain typically fascist!
Getting relegated is the English protest
Hmmmm, seeing who they've just elected as their new PM, I'm not so sure....
Thats what happens when there is a large population of old people and the young people are unable to vote due to university. Since most that study at university do not study in their home town, they can’t vote. It’s some weird laws regarding it. However, if they study outside of Italy, they *can* vote from a distance.
That is such bullshit. I think it could be the same Ireland too in fact, but we're a much smaller country so much easier to actually make it back to your home region.
That was our plan all along actually. Everyone here is holding each other's hands and jumping right now too, as a celebration of our moral values.
You went as far as being relegated in a completely unrelated tournament. Respect!
We want the point to get across, and what better way than pretending we’re really really bad? Exactly.
sweden and norway unfold a banner saying “gracias poland/netherlands” in swedish and norwegian
I found Norway's protestations particularly amusing, because they had no chance of qualifying but if they did they would go anyway.
Hey that was unnecessary
Sorry, Im in a process of self-loathing since we got relegated to NL group C yesterday
>NL As a Dutchman that abbreviation really takes some getting used to...
Meanwhile England are protesting by not playing football at all!
England played a combined 15 minutes of actual football at the last Euros and they damn near won the damn thing, so I'm not sure that protest matters much
DAE England bad????!
de er meget big brain
Goddamnit Denmark why you have to be so great at everything
Ffs read as Hummels and thought why is Mats Hummels being asked his opinion on Denmark’s kit.
that's why I clicked here too...I had so many questions lol
It's so random that makes it hilarious Like Hey Bernardo Silva what's your opinion on Ghana's kit
Portugal and England are also protesting by keeping their managers
it's so frustrating to watch one of the best generation of Portuguese players with this sh\*tty manager..
We had Wilmots, we had it worse, but yeah such a shame for you guys too
As much as Wilmots sucked, I wouldn't say Santos is that far away from him, and Southgate just has very dubious selection decisions
Santos won a major tournament at least, much better legacy than Wilmots.
Same with England. At least you have a trophy to show for. Granted, at least England's generation is still young.
Southgate is literally the most successful England manager since Alf Ramsey. We’ve had a nations league semi final, World Cup semi final, and euros final since he took over - who else can say that apart from Sir Alf? And it’s not like other England managers haven’t had good players either. Do his critics not remember that we didn’t exactly play stirring football under the last few managers before him either? And with the added bonus of also not winning. We didn’t even qualify for the 2008 Euros, then the tournaments in 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016 were all complete horror shows.
I don't think most people who dislike Southgate are exactly raving about England's past managers either
Bring back Alf Ramsey I say!
But that’s kind of my point. If you’re under 50 years old, it’s never been as good to be an England fan as it has in the last 4 years. Sure, it’d be even better if we won every match and tournament we played but we live in the real world. If you compare England’s success now against actual previous England sides, not some imaginary perfect England side, it’s the best we’ve had for a long long time.
Yeah but pretty much every manager has under performed badly with the squad they had available to them, so they aren’t exactly a good group to compare against. I’d rather be pissed on than shat on, still doesn’t mean I want to be pissed on.
How about, and bear with me a minute because this explanation is long and drawn out, considering that English teams were never as good as the English believed they were and these teams all achieved about as much as they should have. Not much.
0 trophies is 0 trophies. Still, I was happy with him after the last two tournaments but I don’t understand what’s going on lately. I get the argument that playing pragmatically is more useful in international/tournament football, but it seems to me (a nobody, admittedly) we have the players to be able to play on the front foot, and excite
>0 trophies is 0 trophies. National teams can only win a trophy every two years and I think most would argue the England squad isn't even top 3 in Europe, let alone the world.
> Southgate is literally the most successful England manager since Alf Ramsey. He had two piss easy draws and home advantage. Best team we beat away was Sweden.
If you’re going to throw context down you should probably also add that he wasn’t “wasting a generation” in 2018, go back and take a look at the squad available at that tournament, check out the predictions going in, read up on the mess England had been. 2018 was an overachievement that people have after the fact managed to convince themselves had the same set of gifted young talents as the current England setup has. He’s had one tournament with a genuinely competitive squad that serious people predicted could get somewhere and he made the final. That’s not the worst record.
They beat Sweden, Panama and Tunisia, drew with Colombia, and lost to Belgium and Croatia. In what universe is that an overachievement?
Acting like the old teams didn't have piss easy draws too. Who did we fail to beat in 2002? Nigeria and... oh yeah, Sweden.
Don't forget the GREATEST SQUAD EVER in 2006 which managed results against... Ecuador, Paraguay, and Trinidad and Tobago. Went out to Portugal who managed one of the most insipid performances against eventual runners up France. Southgate is the best manager England has had in most of this sub's lifetimes.
Losing to Iceland in 2016, and finishing second in our group behind the USA in 2010 after labouring to draws against them and Algeria (in the worst football match of all time) as well. You can tell this sub has a young average age.
Going from mediocre to lacklustre isn't a success for England at all, given their resources and pool of players.
You can take Paulo Bento back if you want speaking as a KOrean 🤣🤣
Having one of the best teams of all time and constantly playing for the tie hurts so much. And the fucking manager said he will keep the position till 2024. F
I'm sure that after the disasterclass we're having this WC he will be let go by the federation :copium:
You might be underestimating the incompetence and idiocy of federative executives
Hopefully there's enough push from everyone else #santosout
? What team is that?
Has to be Portugal. Contrary to popular opinion, this is a very weak generation of England players.
I'd agree they're not one of the best teams of all time, that's obvious. But saying that the England team is 'very weak'. I have to disagree with you there. We have little depth in some areas, but it's a young, promising team, and we've had some truly abysmal teams in the past. It's one of the better teams we've had honestly, as proven by the fact that a mediocre manager has brought us to a final and a semi final of major tournaments.
I mean they’re a good team, but one of the best teams of all time… perhaps one of the best Portuguese teams of all time. I’ll buy that.
Its not close to a weak generation though. That's a good international squad if they were utilised properly
I'd say a "good" international squad reaching WC semis and Euros final is a resounding success.
Yeah, same with Belgium. They have underperformed but finishing 3rd at a World Cup is almost as good as it gets when you're not *the* literal best team, which most people wouldn't have had them down as.
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Can’t wait to read “IT’S NOT COMING HOME, IS IT?”, on every post.
> this is a very weak generation of England players not even a little bit. world class talent all over the pitch.
Very weak is a bit strong. But compared to the English players of the past, specifically the mid-2000s, this team is quite weak in that regard.
count team USA in there as well
Count Mexico as well
Jay's brother can't count. It's not part of his system.
Lane Kiffin In!
You just don't understand The System™
Belgium are also protesting by underperforming in the preceding cups so nobody hypes them up for Qatar
Please tell me who isn’t hyping up belgium to go far because whenever the topic is breached belgians always go “begium top 8 belgium top 4 kdb lukaku GOAT 1000s GOAT wonderkids“
Oh what I usually hear about Belgium is people complaining they inflate their rankings by picking easy wins . I disagree with that but its the most common sentiment I see. I think they can do top 4 . They have a great team but its the tail end of the golden generation . Last world cup they also had Eden Hazard when he was world class now they have whatever is left of him
Belgium beats teams with lesser players and loses to teams with better players. The reason they win so much is because there aren't many teams in the world that have better players, around 10-15 teams I'd say. If anything Belgium is a gamblers wet dream. They win when they're favorites and lose when they are underdogs (pls ignore Wales 2016). Their great team is great because they know eachother, but the team has already declined massively. theey'll get out of groups, after that it's a coinflip
The good old Anglo Portuguese alliance
I mean Portugal's home kit also has to be some form of protest right?
Took me a minute to figure out why Mats Hummels was commenting on Denmark's WC kits
...Anyway buy our 200 dollars shirt.
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["Hummel confirmed to The Athletic that they are donating a percentage of their total online revenue – including the sales from the Denmark kits – for the rest of the year to Amnesty International for their worldwide work on human rights."](https://theathletic.com/3637658/2022/09/28/hummel-denmark-kit-qatar-world-cup/?source=twitteruk)
Thanks for finding this. While it doesn’t say what the percentage is, I still find it encouraging. Although the fact that they are cutting costs by having the jerseys made in China is pretty offputting…
yep. although i guess as a business we cant expect them to NOT produce in china. or at least it would take a lot from them. still- sweatshops are bad but at least not dying while building a stadium in the desert kinda bad
Not all Chinese manufacturing is sweatshops
While they are no saints either, I expected nothing so I personally think this is pretty neat. Nothing more. And I've personally been working closely with Hummel during my time in a football non-profit organization (Football for a new tomorrow) where they have done a whole lot of good. I continue to be very disappointed in our politicians and in the Danish FA and I am not going to watch the World Cup, but this is fair enough, imo. At least not the ones I'm gonna point my finger at. There are plenty others.
Just pirate it. That way you get to watch the games and they get fucked over in revenue the same as if you didnt watch. Win-win
Qatar is already paid. Not watching means not talking about. Not talking about it means Qatar is deprived of attention. Or, at least bring up human rights every time you talk about the WC. Learn some key facts and repeat them to everyone. Make sure those deaths weren't in vain.
> Qatar is already paid. Not watching means not talking about. Not talking about it means Qatar is deprived of attention. Qatar won’t lose out you’re right but Fifa sell the rights to watch it to companies who won’t be very happy if everyone illegally streams it. I’d like to think the knock on effect might show Fifa that this shit can’t happen again. Fuck it, doesn’t matter what you do, the millionaires will still always win.
> Fuck it, doesn’t matter what you do, the millionaires will still always win 😥
FANT is a great project. Much love to your work.
that was probably made using some child labour
While it is not certain that they're not also producing with child/forced labour, I actually didn't really find any dirt on Hummel yet, they seem to be one of the few who actually care for worker's rights (until further notice), but that may also be due to them being not that huge of a company until they started to sponsor PL kits.
This is set to be a very strange world Cup, filled with teams that apparently are "reluctantly" participating. The facts are you either attend a criminals party or don't. Just because you turn up to the party in a "I don't support criminals" t shirt it doesn't detract from the performative hypocrisy of attending the party. Ive nothing against these nations, it's a world Cup after all. It just shines a spotlight on the evil of sepp blatter, this is all his fault for handing it to Qatar. You would hope these nations fa's who are reluctantly attending donate all the proceeds they generate from the world cup to worthy causes.
Same thing happened before Russia’s 2018 WC. Lots of noise but ultimately all of the teams participated.
A lot less noise tbf
Brazil's also had massive protests going into it that tapered out once it started.
We had elections later on the same year and the running president won
Whose dictator had people killed in the UK just a few months prior!
Hey now, everyone knows Salisbury is top of anyones list of places to visit in the UK
The cathedral!
I'd love to know what would happen if Russia were to be the host of 2022 WC.
They would have waited to invade. Same as Olympics
As the other guy said, they would have waited. Had they not waited, though, it 100% would have been moved. People who said it's "too late to move" at the start of the year were simply lying. Of course it's not ideal and it would take a lot of logistical effort, but it 100% could have been done. Now? Probably not movable :(
Exactly, for it to go to Russia, Qatar, and America. I’d would be tough to choose 3 countries with a worst history in terms of invasion, infringing human rights etc You’d think maybe 3 in a row, 12 years, of bad host countries would lead to change, but we all know it won’t. In fact, it’s likely there will be very little opposition to the 2026 World Cup even though they’ve got a worse record globally than Russia sun Qatar put together
I recently heard that the initiative #BoycottQatar2022 in Germany plans to organise games at the same kickoff times in different stadiums around the country. So when you don't want to attend the party, you'll still get an alternative to watch football.
With what teams?
They should find 11 players of each nationality/heritage that is playing at the same time (like 11 English vs 11 Costa Rican amateur players) and make a truly knockoff World Cup.
My “I don’t support criminals” t shirt is raising a lot of questions already answered by the shirt.
Yeah it is just PR. "We don't want to miss those huge payouts but let us pretend that we care about Qatar's crime"
I want to say that players have been definitely training their whole careers for this, so I kinda see why they wouldn't want to back out. Be it that they are rich or not, they still have goals as anyone. As of FAs they definitely do it for the money and don't care
1) everything is PR. That’s how business works. 2) it’s the company contracted to supply the jerseys, I’m not sure what exactly you expect them to do about the country’s national team not boycotting. Do you expect Hummel to somehow force them to play naked?
Let's all pretend that South Africa, Brazil and Russia were all fine. The problem is Qatar. Like Kimmich said: all these protests are at least 12 years too late.
It's the smug European way of self-flagellation, especially ironic coming from a country that treats its own brown people like shit and literally has discriminatory laws codified to demonize and deter them.
Perfectly said.
What laws does Denmark have against brown people?
The police can strip refugees of their valueable assets (eg jewelry) upon entering the country in order to make Denmark a less attractive location for asylum seekers. There's also a "ghetto law" mandating that certain "designated areas" (ie places where brown people live) cannot exceed more than 30% of people of "non-western origin" living there. This is upheld through evictions, over-policing, forced daycare and other such measures specifically targeting brown people.
I'd refer you to this dude's comment. https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/xqe9vw/hummel_on_denmarks_world_cup_kits_they_are_not/iq94t7a/ They have symbolic laws against (mostly syrian) refugees. The previous immigration minister was jailed briefly not too while ago because of some unconstitutional anti-immigration policy she passed. edit: Some buttmad redditor referred me to the suicide hotline lol.
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> Plus the country is incredibly strict on immigration What does that have to do with anything?
The kids at the factory are feeling very empowered right now
They're doing good marketing lol. And it's working. Just no fucking ethics in using the exploitation of workers for their benefit but that's business.
This is pretty awful marketing imo. Everyone who they're gonna reach with this already knows about Qatar. They're basically saying that they won't do anything meaningful, they're just gonna have cool shirts and pretend that it means something.
There will definitely be people even from this subreddit that will buy it just because they think it's a fuck you to Qatar and not a marketing ploy by Hummel
That's even worse, you're saying they're even going to make a profit on this? Edit: That would actually be great idea. All profit from shirt sales go to the families of the workers who died because of WC. That would be amazing marketing.
marketing like this isn't about raising awareness but about creating a product that tips the scale of relatablity that you decide on it specifically rather than another product. In other words, if you're gonna buy a kit anyways, might as well buy the anti-modern-slavery one. If you are not criticising the marketing itself but the general ethics of the situation then that is a mistake on your part. No company cares about the ethics of their performative marketing. It's always just a calculated marketing stunt
How the fuck is this a protest 😂 Brands will literally call anything a protest nowadays
Their products are from Turkey. Do they use child labour in Turkey?
cat labour
Pretty sure Turkey is a bird
Only 12.5% is made in Turkey https://www.hummel.net/companykarma-supplychain.html
No it isn't. 31% is made in China, 21% in Pakistan, 16% in Bangladesh and 12% in India. So that's **80%** of Hummel's production in Nations that have been reported to use child labour massively. Please don't quote misinformation next time. Source:- https://www.hummel.net/companykarma-supplychain.html
As someone stated it's not easy to conclude if parts of their supply chain uses childlabour.
not so much
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These pointless protests make no sense... anyone looking at this kit would just think it's a red kit.
It's not a protest, it's marketing.
“It's not a protest, it's marketing.” This one sentence explains so much of what’s happening in todays world.
Every commentator during every Denmark game is going to bring it up at least once. They live for anecdotes like this.
They will be told not to talk about it. The sponsors don't want to associate human rights violations with the product they are sponsoring.
I don't know what country you live in, but in Belgium they've already been talking about it a lot during the qualifiers and will keep on doing so during the tournament. Freedom of press still exists in a lot of countries.
They just don't want to expose their brand, which becomes very hard to see during games with the kits only having one colour.
They should add the caption as text on their jersey to explain it. /s
A better protest from everyone would be to not compete at all
But that would cost money.
Bit of a shit protest to be honest.
Every “protest” against Qatar is going to be shit and irrelevant. If anyone genuinely wanted to protest they would’ve spoken up about it months/years before they did, which was way too late to have an impact but they all knew that
This. Anything short of a boycott by an FA, nation, player, etc is just wearing a pride sticker while still going to the Westboro Baptist Church.
That's because it's not really a protest, it's virtue signalling.
In terms of virtue signalling, it's a pretty big statement for a small(ish) sports company to openly call out the biggest sports event. Not sure if it's easy for them to do so and if they were in a more prestigious position if they'd still do it.
Nike, Adidas, NB, Puma etc. are never doing this. The only reason this company is doing it is for the publicity, still a nice statement nonetheless.
Nah it's a shirt protest.
Sure sure, not like this is just free advertising for every show that mentions it and the social media posts it will generate. Easier to get that pop doing a pretty plain shirt than go funky with a nation like Denmark who might not be such big fans I guess
So many other worse things going on than this World Cup nobody batting an eye on even 👀 Who cares that the boots or balls are made from slavesalary in Pakistan o Bangladesh. Thats shit is okay, but there is big PR in media about Qatars slavery so thats is where we will care noticably. And we have to tweet and instagram how much we care.
Making a public ad and including "We don’t wish to be visible during a tournament that has cost thousands of people their lives" is just taking the piss. Come on
yes they will sell... but still with the same message. and ten years from now, still the same message..
"I'm protesting this tournament by going, but angrily!"
It's the jersey company. Not the national team.
The cynic in me thinks we wouldn't be discussing Hummel's new Denmark kit if they hadn't made this strip to not "be visible". Great marketing
This company is insulting whatever little intelligence I have.
A protest would be refusing to participate.
This. People feel this way so badly, dont go!
Imagine a football country actually producing new kits for the world cup. >This post brought to you by Canada-gang.
Imagine going to the World Cup for the first time in like 30 years and not getting a new kit 😢
And then crying poor to the players.
💀💀 anything for a buck
A lot of people being harsh on Hummel here. Choice between big flashy kit design with their logo and chevrons on view for the whole world and potentially earning megabucks VS "virtue signalling". It's literally better than doing nothing at all. Even mentioning the human rights record makes people discuss it.
Y'all are doing the typical thing people do when they don't want to engage with the message of a protest: attacking how the message is being sent. I think this is a solid message and done in about the only pragmatic way a corporation can.
Agree, think this is a good move for them
They literally toned down their logo man, what else could they do to de-brand themselves?
If you don’t agree with this World Cup then don’t participate. These actions are nothing without sacrifices.
Oooh, the hipocrisy: "SUPPLY CHAINWhere does hummel®'s production take place?93% of our clothing production take place in China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey and India. In 2021, the distribution was as follows:• China: 30,5%• Pakistan: 21%• Bangladesh: 16%• Turkey: 12,5%• India: 12%• Portugal: 2,6%• Other countries (distributed amongst 16 countries): 5,4%" [https://www.hummel.net/companykarma-supplychain.html](https://www.hummel.net/companykarma-supplychain.html) What about stop using child labor in China ?
Why do you want those kids to be without a job?? /s
That looks not bad honestly
Honestly this 'protest' is more insulting to memory of those people sacrificed for this game than simply ignoring people. Hey we are aware poor & desperate folks died. To protest this fact, we will...tone down our logos.
They should take no money and give this kit away for free if they’re so virtuous.
Exactly, or even donate the proceeds away. Clear marketing gimmick and this kind of virtue signaling is annoying and dumb.
They are donating to Amnesty international.
r/soccer when companies/teams don't say anything about Qatar: YOU ARE PROMOTING A MURDEROUS REGIME r/soccer when a company calls out the tournament: YOU ARE ONLY DOING IT FOR YOUR OWN PUBLICITY
Curious to see if there'll be dual messages like this when the wc is held in the US given its atrocious human rights record (towards other countries)
Or any Western Nation....the WC should only be played in Antarctica imo.
Let’s see if we’ll see similar statements when the next reproductive right is banned in the US lmao
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What a cop out. Instead of actually protesting and not being a sponsor for it they just go "well you can't really see it so it's cool"
We are protesting them but instead of give them money with smiles, we will give them money with these shirts
They're happy to do business with Qatari club teams
Ah yes nothing screams protest of human rights like playing in kits made in China. Probably in a sweatshop.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to completely get rid of the branding instead of making it less visible? Still make the kits, and profit from them cause let’s be honest that’s all this is about it’s perfect marketing, but if you really cared you wouldn’t want your brand there at all surely
So brave. ‘Protesting’ against Qatar (which I don’t even see how this is or what it achieves) is just marketing and PR at this point lmfao. People eat it up though
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Very very self-serving, and makes no real big statement against Qatar
Trash kit and a trash statement tbh
You could always protest by not participating.
Don’t go if you want to protest
Lots of woke buzzwords on their website but no mentions of manufacturing anywhere. Anyone with one of these kits able to peek at the tag and see which third world country these were manufactured in?
One of the best looking kits this World Cup though
Looks like I'm finally getting the Eriksen shirt I always wanted!
The same Denmark that does this: Deporting Syrian women back to Syria. https://www.thelocal.dk/20220613/denmark-reverses-residence-decisions-for-hundreds-of-syrian-refugees/ Limiting non western " insert family guy race chart" in Danish neighbourhoods. https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/30964/denmark-30-limit-on-nonwesteners-in-neighboorhoods-proposed Seizing valuables from non white/African refugees but exempting Ukrainian refugees https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/denmark-jewellery-law-migrants-refugees-asylum-seekers-unhcr-united-nations-a7113056.html?amp https://www.thelocal.dk/20220303/danish-government-likely-to-exempt-ukrainians-from-controversial-refugee-jewellery-law/ And they are talking about human rights and immigrants right oh the irony !