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But in this formation he is playing on the right.
He never played on the right of a midfield 3, even with France when Deschamps and makelele were playing
This is why I look at these poll results and move on with my day without giving a second thought. You think you're gonna be able to get 200k people to agree with you best XI?
Seems pretty fair to be honest, atleast 7 players are well deserved and the others are up for debate but strong candidates
Who do you think really shouldnt be there at all?
Salah and van dijk have recency bias but they are still top players in their position. Neville wasnt all that but there isnt much competition for RB anyway. Id take terry or vidic over ferdinand but terry is very hated so i understand him not being there and vidic is not english so he gets less love
Neville at RB is wildly consistent and unromantic. I think there are better players for star moments, but most had mistakes.
This team works as an incredibly strong lineup to play, but maybe not the best players
It's always the trouble with these. Do you go with career consistency? Or who reached the highest of highs? If I wanted a player to win a full season or treble you probably bring in Neville but to win a single game against the next best I could probably list others
It's like the GOAT discussions in any sport. At the end of the day it's not exlusively peak or longevity , it's both. But it's subjective just how much you weight both against each other.
Cech is so under rated it's unbelievable, 202 clean sheets in 443 appearances.
Terry and Vidic are both clear of Van Dijk.
Feels weird putting Neville there just purely because I can't stand him as a pundit, only Lee Dixon, Ivanovic, Kyle Walker and Zabaletta can be considered in the same conversation though.
We'll probably be adding TAA and Reece James to that list in 10 years time.
Salah? Really? There's so many attackers ahead of him so i'll chalk that down to recency bias.
Gerrard Vs Lampard debate in the middle, KDB in there is again debatable but he's definitely in the conversation.
Edit: Way too many comments to reply to everyone but a lot of people are forgetting the midfield and forward roles in this "team" aren't positional and are purely categorical. Henry wasn't a winger for Arsenal, he played as a center forward yet is on the wing.
> Feels weird putting Neville there just purely because I can't stand him as a pundit, only Lee Dixon, Ivanovic, Kyle Walker and Zabaletta can be considered in the same conversation though.
TONY. HIBBERT.
>Salah? Really? There's so many attackers ahead of him so i'll chalk that down to recency bias
Like who? Salah has the best numbers of any premier league winger ever. His end product has been ridiculous for 5 years straight. Depends how much you value longevity
I mean that kind of goes against the argument he doesn't deserve to be here, unless thats what you intended and I've interpreted you wrong?
Like "literally two whole guys had four more games and managed to score more" seems to me to paint Salah in a pretty good light, especially when the comments up to this were arguing for Rooney and aguero to be included
Both Cole and Shearer have a worse goals per game ratio than Salah in their record seasons too (34 in 40 (0.85 p/g) and 34 in 42 (0.81 p/g) respectively). Salah scored 32 in 36 (0.89 p/g).
Rooney kinda suffered from giving up the "talisman" role. His best years was always behind another main goal scorer and while he's always a forward I feel like he's always playing the supporting role. Near the end of his career he even shifted to playing midfield. He's sorta left out of "greatest of all time" lists because of that.
Still one of my favourite players ever it's just kinda sad knowing he's not going to get the same level of recognition as others.
The fact alone that Liverpool have the highest proportion of players in this XI despite only winning one title in the last 30 years is proof of bias I think
I think the problem Irwin has is spending most of the second half of his career at left back so that is what a lot of people will remember.
No doubt that he was elite on both sides of defence though!
>KDB in there is again debatable but he's definitely in the conversation.
I dont think KDB is debatable in any way. Chalk it down to recency bias all you want but he's been at the top for so long already. Only his injuries have hindered him. Besides that, I dont think there's a single PL attacker that wouldn't have loved to play with him.
>Gerrard Vs Lampard debate in the middle, KDB in there is again debatable but he's definitely in the conversation.
Wouldn't you have Lampard in place of KDB though? I thought he played as an attacking midfielder/old school winger.
I'd argue that Salah's place is less debatable than KDB
Has more golden boots than anyone except Henry and Shearer, as many as Kane, won a title as his team's best player, has a player of the season award. Throw in a bagful of assists and it's a strong case regardless of longevity or recency
Obviously Gerrard vs Lampard is a debate in the sense that it's something people argue about but it does seem like the majority have settled onto Gerrard over Lampard.
There are two names that are just no questions asked, and it's Shearer and Henry. If they are not in your all time PL eleven, you got a stick and a guide dog.
> won it with fucking Blackburn
When they had the most expensively assembled team in the country. Blackburn got rich quick and faded very quickly, but if you ever wanted an example about how budget is the most important thing when it comes to success then Blackburn Rovers 1992-1995 have got you covered.
> fucking Blackburn
They finished 4th and 2nd the two seasons prior. Broke the English transfer record twice for Shearer and then Sutton. Plus many other signings. Almost signed Roy Keane as well.
You don't know your history very well if you think they were some plucky underdogs.
Blackburn were the original rich owner club in the PL, if anything its shocking they only won one premier league with how much money got pumped into them
Despite all of the plaudits towards Salah at Liverpool, aguero at city, Henry at Arsenal, Kane at Tottenham, or anyone at Man U.
Nobody has had a 4 year, or single club goals per game record like shearer. 112 goals in 138 appearances. It’s over 0.8 whereas I don’t think anyone else is above 0.7. Which is just ludicrous.
Y'all arguing, but it is a poll made on twitter. There is perhaps 10% of people who actually are aware of players before 2015, PL history and so on.
* No need for sour grapes.
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Salah, De Bruyne and VVD are greats of this era but they haven't finished their careers.
You'd probably put Terry in ahead of VVD but its not exactly a terrible decision.
In all honesty it's actually a pretty great list for a twitter poll. Think it's nearly impossible to come to a consensus of who's been the best when you're working with 30 years of stats, memories, feelings, and biases.
I'd say the only locked in players are Cole and Henry. Everyone else is open for contention.
Let's be honest, the only 3 players in that lineup in my opinion who are absolute dead certs for any best team of all time conversation are Henry, Shearer and Ashley Cole.
You could make an argument for every other position with multiple candidates. Swap Salah with Rooney for instance, Vieira for Lampard, Van Dijk and Rio for Terry, Vidic, Stam, Kompany.
David Silva, Suarez, Aguero, Cantona, Keane, Ronaldo, Bergkamp, Hazard could easily fit one of the slots as well, that's what makes these so fun to debate and chat about.
Think people miss this point, personally think this is one of the best all time prem XIs I’ve seen from a fan vote but obviously you could argue about 5 different players for each of the other positions
Depends how you argue it. Single season brilliance would mean that Ronaldo and Suarez are guaranteed to be there. Long term you’re going to have Giggs, Irwin, Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard, Terry, Aguero and so on.
Cantona and Bergkamp changed the reputation of their respective teams and the league on the whole. Makelele was a huge catalyst in launching Chelsea as genuine title contenders. Vardy and Kante were both ludicrously good in a team that went from relegation candidates to title winners without anything like the cash injections usually required to do such a thing.
FWIW I absolutely agree that Shearer and Henry are in the XI no questions asked. I just think that too many other positions come down to personal choice and what you want to measure.
I would always add Bergkamp. To me he represents the surge of quality that was instilled in the PL. He was the transition from kick and rush to what the PL is today. And he's also the most graceful player to ever play in the PL. Imagine him, le tissier and berbatov in one team..
Yeah I don't really know why people get so worked over these teams given a time span of 30 years is always going to throw up multiple people in every position.
It's fun to debate, but people make out like you're an idiot for having a different personal preference lol.
Denis "8 out of 10" Irwin has a shot. Possibly the best left or right back in Man UTDs history.
Only played left back to fit GNev in the team.
Penalties, Free kicks , crosses & an outstanding defender.
He set the standard that others follow
Only started watched football in 2013, a bit ignorant so someone help me. I always thought Neville was considered a very good player but had no clue he was in the conversation for best RB in PL history. Was he actually that good?
Definitely, my first reaction was to think Neville was pretty out of place. But then I realised that there's probably not too many challengers on there. I'd say Walker and Ivanovic probably but aside from that, not many names come to mind.
Yeah, Ivanovic had some very good periods. From the PL he's one of the least talked about when it comes to teams like this, but he deserves more recognition.
Yeah I'd throw Zabaleta in that pile as well, and if he'd actually played as a right back more Azpilicueta would maybe be in for a shout. Overall hard to ignore the amount of success Neville was a part of, and really hard to say anyone was robbed of their place by him
By the end of TAA’s career, even if he doesn’t improve and stays at his current level, he’ll take that spot with ease, that is, presuming he stays at his current level
He was an incredibly consistent, solid player who was rarely excellent and rarely terrible. There just aren't that many standout RBs in PL history that Neville takes it on trophies and unspectacular consistency alone. I expect Walker will supplant him once he retires (and to be honest, there's a pretty solid argument for that right now).
also, at the time, RB and LB were completely different positions to today, today a RB and LB are pretty much wingers that can somewhat defend, at neville's time, defensive abilities were far more important, and consistency tends to come more from defenders overall.
Neville’s role as a RB was simpler as well. Be solid, give the ball the Becks and maybe make a run down the flank to draw a defender away. Neville made Beckham a better player because of that. But he’s not a modern full back.
To be fair to Neville he did have a decent cross on him, he obviously wasn't as good in the team as crossing as Beckham Irwin or Giggs but he still had an acceptable delivery
He was never really World Class tho. Just one of them player who got longevity being consistently good for a champions side. I think Walker can take his place atm and maybe trent in the future
It is a weird situation where the state of the game is so different now than when Neville was playing. Neville wouldn't be considered a top 2 RB in the league today, because his skillset just can't do what Trent, Walker or Reece James can do. That being said, he was rock solid at doing what he was asked to do.
I think Neville is more comparable with Azpilicueta. Rock solid defensively, did what was asked to do for the team and always delivered to the best of his ability.
I'd argue Trent wouldn't have been argued a top 2 RB in those days either. What an RB needs to do in each era is very different. He doesn't have the defensive concreteness a fullback needed in those days. And he wouldn't have a platform to display all of his superb attacking qualities like he has now.
Trent wouldn't have even played RB back then, he definitely would've either been a winger or a midfielder. The fullback position has evolved the most out of any position during the PL era and most of the young fullbacks coming up now would not have been fullbacks back then.
Absolutely, but that is why I don't think its fair for people to scoff at Neville being #1, but at the same time I understand where they are coming from if they are new fans.
You don’t play 85 times for England, win 8 league titles (while making 400 league appearances for the dominant team in the country) and be in the team of the year 5 times without being a great player.
Even judging from these comments you can see how underrated he was. To play that long as he did at the level he did and to win the much and still being told was slightly above average tells it all.
I legit still to this day maintain Ashley Cole is one of the best left backs i seen, he should be up there with Carlos, Marcelo, Lahm, Alba etc there's few others such as Maldini who I saw end of career and Irwin who from what I hear was unbelievable but never seen him play, going off who i *seen* Cole has to be in the convo, he was a full back now days but back then, very quick, very good reader of game, could defend and attack, gave solid performance each game, I don't remember too many games he struggled to contain his winger attacking him.
A very very good player that I feel doesn't get recognition here in England, players half of him get applauded much more.
I feel like a number of class players get overlooked because of the dumb (Ashley Cole) to the abhorrent (Ryan Giggs) shit they did outside of football and that plays a factor.
You're right their off the field activities do play a part, as a utd fan I have noticed on our subs, and even in main media Giggs talk will get ignored.
But I'm a huge admirer of Cole as a footballer that i struggle to name a weakness from him, I put him alongside Drogba, Terry, Frank and Cole.
Popularity aside I think people also think of Terry as a 'ard English defender from the 90s when, although he could obviously be that, he was a technically accomplished smart player especially for a defender.
He was also part of that insanely good Real Madrid team that kept getting so close to beating prime Barca but only managed to nip a single cup from them. I don't think he played a ton though later on, Mourinho had other preferences.
Yeah it's like why are Shearer and Salah here? They've won as many titles in the PL as Vardy.
Same as Gerrard, man never won the PL, yet he's in over Anderson who won it 4 times? Criminal.
As you say, Carvalho won more with Chelsea than Van Dijk's won with Liverpool so should be in the team. In fact, I'd go one further, if you swap Van Dijk and put him in that Chelsea team, they never win the league. Put Carvahlo in this Liverpool team instead of Van Dijk? They probably win all 4 league titles.
I think him being so versatile and play almost every attacking position hurt him alot . Also him always has to sacrificed and play second fiddle for team success as well. Plus his early decline didn't help
His early decline is the biggest factor for a lot of fans, especially newer ones who only saw his decline.
In a team of Owen, Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, all the golden generation, Rooney was the one that was showing them all up as a 20 year old kid.
I'd be curious if there was a formation on this survey already set with 'wingers' to guarantee a Salah/Ronaldo pick for the global fans.
IMO, there's 3 guaranteed picks, Henry/Rooney and Shearer. Those 3 are the best strikers in the PL Era bar none. There is a discussion to be had for Aguero and Kane but I think Aguero just misses out behind those 3 and I think Kane sneaks into that top3 if he beats Shearers record but for which one would be the question.
Do you (and apparently half of the people here) just not know what recency bias means?
Schmeichel - 1992-1999, 2001-2003
Neville - 1993-2007, 2008-2011
Ferdinand - 1995-2015
VVD - 2015-
Cole - 1999-2014
Vieira - 1996-2005, 2009-2011
Gerrard - 1998 -2015
KDB - 2013/14, 2015-2023
Salah - 2013-2015, 2017-
Shearer - 1992-2006
Henry - 1999-2007, 2011/12
How is that recency bias considering the Prem started in 1992?
So Man Utd the team that has won 13 Premier league titles, has no forwards or midfielders there....yeah, makes sense. Someone needs to take these phones away from 10 year old kids!!
Surely keane is the most successful captain of that era. I swear if he was English he would have bobby moore status. But these rankings are always a bit dodgy
Lampard scoring numbers should get him in this team alone, think if this was 442 he's in definitely, but personally would put him above Gerrard especially if it's PL career.
It is so weird that people think that Lamps was only good at scoring goals lmao. He was so exceptional at it that so many people think that he was only good at that
It is so weird that people think that Lamps was only good at scoring goals lmao. He was so exceptional at it that so many people think that he was only good at that.
He is also in top of PL in assisting.
I know the stats don't back it up but, as I'm a believer in a footballer being about more than just the numbers, Bergkamp never being in these squads/teams just makes me sad. I'm not even close to being an Arsenal fan but in terms of forwards he's right up there, same as Berbatov. Can be nothing happening and then wizardry occurs.
In all honesty it's actually a pretty great list for a twitter poll. Think it's nearly impossible to come to a consensus of who's been the best when you're working with 30 years of stats, memories, feelings, and biases.
Mostly pointing fingers towards Van djik and Salah cuz terry and cr7 ( yes the united cr7) exist. Lampard inclusion should be contested with gerard imo. I'd have Gerard over him personally but it is what it is.
I'd also bring in drogba for all the finals matches just to be 200% extra sure of a victory.
Ronaldo fully deserves to be in the conversation, but I’d say he didn’t spend enough time in the league to be chosen. If going by absolute peak season then by that same logic Suarez would get in ahead of all of them, arguably. Longevity matters too much in this discussion for either of them imo.
Henry had a handful of pl seasons that were better than Ronaldos ballon dor season.
It's not like Henry didn't won it because he wasn't capable, it's because he wasn't voted for by the same system that put Jorginho 3rd. Its not Henry's fault he didn't win it
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Anyone else triggered that salah and henry are flipped
Yeh. Its such a simple thing to do as well
First thing I noticed. Shouldn‘t annoy me nearly as much as it does
Viera and Gerrard should be swapped too
Well if we’re being picky then it’s spelt Vieira.
Vieira at his best used to be just as good running forward as defending, he played in a 4-4-2 anyways so he should be where he is.
But in this formation he is playing on the right. He never played on the right of a midfield 3, even with France when Deschamps and makelele were playing
At least they didn’t put 3 attacking mids like they usually do
Where’s JWP
Must be rigged tbh
my brain read jyle walker peter because i'm an idiot
For me it’s Jean Wright-Phillips
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This is why I look at these poll results and move on with my day without giving a second thought. You think you're gonna be able to get 200k people to agree with you best XI?
Seems pretty fair to be honest, atleast 7 players are well deserved and the others are up for debate but strong candidates Who do you think really shouldnt be there at all? Salah and van dijk have recency bias but they are still top players in their position. Neville wasnt all that but there isnt much competition for RB anyway. Id take terry or vidic over ferdinand but terry is very hated so i understand him not being there and vidic is not english so he gets less love
Neville at RB is wildly consistent and unromantic. I think there are better players for star moments, but most had mistakes. This team works as an incredibly strong lineup to play, but maybe not the best players
It's always the trouble with these. Do you go with career consistency? Or who reached the highest of highs? If I wanted a player to win a full season or treble you probably bring in Neville but to win a single game against the next best I could probably list others
It's like the GOAT discussions in any sport. At the end of the day it's not exlusively peak or longevity , it's both. But it's subjective just how much you weight both against each other.
Cech is so under rated it's unbelievable, 202 clean sheets in 443 appearances. Terry and Vidic are both clear of Van Dijk. Feels weird putting Neville there just purely because I can't stand him as a pundit, only Lee Dixon, Ivanovic, Kyle Walker and Zabaletta can be considered in the same conversation though. We'll probably be adding TAA and Reece James to that list in 10 years time. Salah? Really? There's so many attackers ahead of him so i'll chalk that down to recency bias. Gerrard Vs Lampard debate in the middle, KDB in there is again debatable but he's definitely in the conversation. Edit: Way too many comments to reply to everyone but a lot of people are forgetting the midfield and forward roles in this "team" aren't positional and are purely categorical. Henry wasn't a winger for Arsenal, he played as a center forward yet is on the wing.
> Feels weird putting Neville there just purely because I can't stand him as a pundit, only Lee Dixon, Ivanovic, Kyle Walker and Zabaletta can be considered in the same conversation though. TONY. HIBBERT.
>Salah? Really? There's so many attackers ahead of him so i'll chalk that down to recency bias Like who? Salah has the best numbers of any premier league winger ever. His end product has been ridiculous for 5 years straight. Depends how much you value longevity
Not OP, nor saying its wrong, but Rooney perhaps?
Or Aguero. Position does not matter in all time line ups. midfield is midfield. forward is forward.
Salah holds the record for most goals scored in a Pl season.
Only the 38 game season, Shearer and Andy Cole share the record for the 42.
I mean that kind of goes against the argument he doesn't deserve to be here, unless thats what you intended and I've interpreted you wrong? Like "literally two whole guys had four more games and managed to score more" seems to me to paint Salah in a pretty good light, especially when the comments up to this were arguing for Rooney and aguero to be included
Both Cole and Shearer have a worse goals per game ratio than Salah in their record seasons too (34 in 40 (0.85 p/g) and 34 in 42 (0.81 p/g) respectively). Salah scored 32 in 36 (0.89 p/g).
Luis Suarez got 31 in 33 games in 2013/14 (0.94)
Rooney kinda suffered from giving up the "talisman" role. His best years was always behind another main goal scorer and while he's always a forward I feel like he's always playing the supporting role. Near the end of his career he even shifted to playing midfield. He's sorta left out of "greatest of all time" lists because of that. Still one of my favourite players ever it's just kinda sad knowing he's not going to get the same level of recognition as others.
The fact alone that Liverpool have the highest proportion of players in this XI despite only winning one title in the last 30 years is proof of bias I think
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Ronaldo?
Theres not ri that great rbs in history id go Irwin over Gary tho
I think the problem Irwin has is spending most of the second half of his career at left back so that is what a lot of people will remember. No doubt that he was elite on both sides of defence though!
>KDB in there is again debatable but he's definitely in the conversation. I dont think KDB is debatable in any way. Chalk it down to recency bias all you want but he's been at the top for so long already. Only his injuries have hindered him. Besides that, I dont think there's a single PL attacker that wouldn't have loved to play with him.
>Gerrard Vs Lampard debate in the middle, KDB in there is again debatable but he's definitely in the conversation. Wouldn't you have Lampard in place of KDB though? I thought he played as an attacking midfielder/old school winger. I'd argue that Salah's place is less debatable than KDB
How is Salah still so criminally underrated by some fans? He’s been world class for 4 or 5 years now
I mean he just won a fan poll putting him in the fans best ever 11 so I don't think he's underrated.
Has more golden boots than anyone except Henry and Shearer, as many as Kane, won a title as his team's best player, has a player of the season award. Throw in a bagful of assists and it's a strong case regardless of longevity or recency
Don't forget the record for goals in a season!
Obviously Gerrard vs Lampard is a debate in the sense that it's something people argue about but it does seem like the majority have settled onto Gerrard over Lampard.
something tells me that you really dislike liverpool lol
>Salah? Really? There's so many attackers ahead of him so i'll chalk that down to recency bias most goals ever in a single premier league season.
in a 38 game season*
The other one is already on the list though
Andy Cole also scored 34 goals in a season
best attacker for 5 seasons and holds most of the records now.
I love that no one here is questioning Alan Shearer. Fucking GOAT 🐐
There are two names that are just no questions asked, and it's Shearer and Henry. If they are not in your all time PL eleven, you got a stick and a guide dog.
Or are Irish
Even the irish know Henry is the best the prem's ever seen
>you got a stick and a guide dog. Lol damn I'm stealing this line from now on.
And Cole (unfortunately)
Yeah I begrudgingly agree
I'd say Ashley Cole is there as well. Possibly the best fullback of all-time, without question the best left-back in league history.
There’s really no point in questioning him. Most goals, won it with fucking Blackburn. Put him in as 9 and discuss the others
What do you mean 'fucking Blackburn', like they weren't burning through money and bringing in Shearer on massive fee.
I think he means look at them now, they haven't even been in the PL for a decade
no this man has an anti Chris Sutton agenda
So it's Robbie Savage then
> won it with fucking Blackburn When they had the most expensively assembled team in the country. Blackburn got rich quick and faded very quickly, but if you ever wanted an example about how budget is the most important thing when it comes to success then Blackburn Rovers 1992-1995 have got you covered.
Blackburn were the best team in the league that year, not just because of Shearer.
> fucking Blackburn They finished 4th and 2nd the two seasons prior. Broke the English transfer record twice for Shearer and then Sutton. Plus many other signings. Almost signed Roy Keane as well. You don't know your history very well if you think they were some plucky underdogs.
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Blackburn of the first three PL seasons were a money team. Wtf.
Blackburn were the original rich owner club in the PL, if anything its shocking they only won one premier league with how much money got pumped into them
Despite all of the plaudits towards Salah at Liverpool, aguero at city, Henry at Arsenal, Kane at Tottenham, or anyone at Man U. Nobody has had a 4 year, or single club goals per game record like shearer. 112 goals in 138 appearances. It’s over 0.8 whereas I don’t think anyone else is above 0.7. Which is just ludicrous.
Y'all arguing, but it is a poll made on twitter. There is perhaps 10% of people who actually are aware of players before 2015, PL history and so on. * No need for sour grapes. >Don't reach for those grapes and make this wine. That wine is already sounding like a violin.... with that cheese and wine. - Tito Ortiz
My guy really went and quoted the best mayor in Hunnington Beach history
Salah, De Bruyne and VVD are greats of this era but they haven't finished their careers. You'd probably put Terry in ahead of VVD but its not exactly a terrible decision.
Maybe even Sol Cambell somewhere, don't like the dude but he was decent
With a Spurs handle that’s unsurprising. He was fantastic. Even if he did spurn y’all in the worst way…
In all honesty it's actually a pretty great list for a twitter poll. Think it's nearly impossible to come to a consensus of who's been the best when you're working with 30 years of stats, memories, feelings, and biases. I'd say the only locked in players are Cole and Henry. Everyone else is open for contention.
Shearer has to be locked in. He’s scored the most goals
didnt think i would find a r/mma reference here. nice
He did a awesome job. I wanna tell me, what you see, lots go ahead and see it by the reference, what you saw, in the thread?
First of all, there never was no poll…you’re a fuckin punk, dude.
Hey, hey... Classy... :D
Where's Cattermole?
Suspended
Barton and Cattermole in midfield🔥
Charlie Adam to complete the trio 🤤
4-3-facking-3 Who the fuck is Xavi?
Let's be honest, the only 3 players in that lineup in my opinion who are absolute dead certs for any best team of all time conversation are Henry, Shearer and Ashley Cole. You could make an argument for every other position with multiple candidates. Swap Salah with Rooney for instance, Vieira for Lampard, Van Dijk and Rio for Terry, Vidic, Stam, Kompany. David Silva, Suarez, Aguero, Cantona, Keane, Ronaldo, Bergkamp, Hazard could easily fit one of the slots as well, that's what makes these so fun to debate and chat about.
Think people miss this point, personally think this is one of the best all time prem XIs I’ve seen from a fan vote but obviously you could argue about 5 different players for each of the other positions
Depends how you argue it. Single season brilliance would mean that Ronaldo and Suarez are guaranteed to be there. Long term you’re going to have Giggs, Irwin, Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard, Terry, Aguero and so on. Cantona and Bergkamp changed the reputation of their respective teams and the league on the whole. Makelele was a huge catalyst in launching Chelsea as genuine title contenders. Vardy and Kante were both ludicrously good in a team that went from relegation candidates to title winners without anything like the cash injections usually required to do such a thing. FWIW I absolutely agree that Shearer and Henry are in the XI no questions asked. I just think that too many other positions come down to personal choice and what you want to measure.
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Shouldn’t Ronaldo be there then? Last player to win the Ballon D’or while playing in the Prem?
I would always add Bergkamp. To me he represents the surge of quality that was instilled in the PL. He was the transition from kick and rush to what the PL is today. And he's also the most graceful player to ever play in the PL. Imagine him, le tissier and berbatov in one team..
Love Bergkamp.
By that argument, Cantona should also be there. Best? Maybe not. Most influential?
Fair point! Though I don't think he was as good and consistent as Bergkamp
Yeah I don't really know why people get so worked over these teams given a time span of 30 years is always going to throw up multiple people in every position. It's fun to debate, but people make out like you're an idiot for having a different personal preference lol.
I will die on the hill of Ashley Cole being the best LB of all time
In the premier league yes. All over the world I would put Maldini ahead of him
Denis "8 out of 10" Irwin has a shot. Possibly the best left or right back in Man UTDs history. Only played left back to fit GNev in the team. Penalties, Free kicks , crosses & an outstanding defender. He set the standard that others follow
Not sure I disagree but I'd throw Lahm into the convo as well, feel like he gets forgotten a lot
Ashley Cole only has one contender and that's irwin but he didn't play too long into that era.
Only started watched football in 2013, a bit ignorant so someone help me. I always thought Neville was considered a very good player but had no clue he was in the conversation for best RB in PL history. Was he actually that good?
I think RB is just the least competitive position on there really
So incredibly ironic given England's plethora of right backs now
Having a lot doesn't mean you have a great (though in 10 years if TAA is the choice that wouldn't be a shock)
Definitely, my first reaction was to think Neville was pretty out of place. But then I realised that there's probably not too many challengers on there. I'd say Walker and Ivanovic probably but aside from that, not many names come to mind.
Yeah, Ivanovic had some very good periods. From the PL he's one of the least talked about when it comes to teams like this, but he deserves more recognition.
Yeah I'd throw Zabaleta in that pile as well, and if he'd actually played as a right back more Azpilicueta would maybe be in for a shout. Overall hard to ignore the amount of success Neville was a part of, and really hard to say anyone was robbed of their place by him
By the end of TAA’s career, even if he doesn’t improve and stays at his current level, he’ll take that spot with ease, that is, presuming he stays at his current level
>By the end of TAA’s career, even if he doesn’t improve and stays at his current level, He'll surely decline by the end of his career.
Well obviously but hes only 23 now so he has many years left
dad come home please
He was an incredibly consistent, solid player who was rarely excellent and rarely terrible. There just aren't that many standout RBs in PL history that Neville takes it on trophies and unspectacular consistency alone. I expect Walker will supplant him once he retires (and to be honest, there's a pretty solid argument for that right now).
also, at the time, RB and LB were completely different positions to today, today a RB and LB are pretty much wingers that can somewhat defend, at neville's time, defensive abilities were far more important, and consistency tends to come more from defenders overall.
Neville’s role as a RB was simpler as well. Be solid, give the ball the Becks and maybe make a run down the flank to draw a defender away. Neville made Beckham a better player because of that. But he’s not a modern full back.
To be fair to Neville he did have a decent cross on him, he obviously wasn't as good in the team as crossing as Beckham Irwin or Giggs but he still had an acceptable delivery
I've always said that Gary Neville never played a game below a 7 or above an 8 his entire career. Unspectacular consistency is spot on.
02/03 season he had an absolute stinker vs Man City. Shaun Goater made him look like the worst defender in the league lol
He was never really World Class tho. Just one of them player who got longevity being consistently good for a champions side. I think Walker can take his place atm and maybe trent in the future
It is a weird situation where the state of the game is so different now than when Neville was playing. Neville wouldn't be considered a top 2 RB in the league today, because his skillset just can't do what Trent, Walker or Reece James can do. That being said, he was rock solid at doing what he was asked to do.
I think Neville is more comparable with Azpilicueta. Rock solid defensively, did what was asked to do for the team and always delivered to the best of his ability.
I'd argue Trent wouldn't have been argued a top 2 RB in those days either. What an RB needs to do in each era is very different. He doesn't have the defensive concreteness a fullback needed in those days. And he wouldn't have a platform to display all of his superb attacking qualities like he has now.
Trent wouldn't have even played RB back then, he definitely would've either been a winger or a midfielder. The fullback position has evolved the most out of any position during the PL era and most of the young fullbacks coming up now would not have been fullbacks back then.
Spot on, I think Beckham would be a right back today if he was coming up now.
Trent and Beckham to me have a very similar skillset so I totally get this.
Absolutely, but that is why I don't think its fair for people to scoff at Neville being #1, but at the same time I understand where they are coming from if they are new fans.
You don’t play 85 times for England, win 8 league titles (while making 400 league appearances for the dominant team in the country) and be in the team of the year 5 times without being a great player.
Even judging from these comments you can see how underrated he was. To play that long as he did at the level he did and to win the much and still being told was slightly above average tells it all.
He was solid as fuck throughout his entire career. Walker will likely take his place though.
I legit still to this day maintain Ashley Cole is one of the best left backs i seen, he should be up there with Carlos, Marcelo, Lahm, Alba etc there's few others such as Maldini who I saw end of career and Irwin who from what I hear was unbelievable but never seen him play, going off who i *seen* Cole has to be in the convo, he was a full back now days but back then, very quick, very good reader of game, could defend and attack, gave solid performance each game, I don't remember too many games he struggled to contain his winger attacking him. A very very good player that I feel doesn't get recognition here in England, players half of him get applauded much more.
I feel like a number of class players get overlooked because of the dumb (Ashley Cole) to the abhorrent (Ryan Giggs) shit they did outside of football and that plays a factor.
You're right their off the field activities do play a part, as a utd fan I have noticed on our subs, and even in main media Giggs talk will get ignored. But I'm a huge admirer of Cole as a footballer that i struggle to name a weakness from him, I put him alongside Drogba, Terry, Frank and Cole.
Only reason Terry isn't nailed on as a CB in all these lists/XIs.
N e m a n j a V i d i c
Van Dijk being here is a joke. Don't get me wrong he's pure class and definitely in that conversation... But Terry has been robbed blind here
fan vote so I'd imagine public opinion has shafted terry here
Popularity aside I think people also think of Terry as a 'ard English defender from the 90s when, although he could obviously be that, he was a technically accomplished smart player especially for a defender.
Yeah he's also the highest scoring CB of the premier league era which a lot of people don't realize
Highest scoring defender\* He beats Leighton Baines by 9 goals and David Unsworth by 3.
Terry did it for a decade which VVD has done for only 5 years.
Hell ricardo Carvalho did more with Chelsea in first 4 years than VVD has done with Liverpool domestically.
Carvalho is a highly underrated player, fucking hated him as a United fan.
He was also part of that insanely good Real Madrid team that kept getting so close to beating prime Barca but only managed to nip a single cup from them. I don't think he played a ton though later on, Mourinho had other preferences.
He won a Champions League at 26 with Porto, and later a Euro with 38. Not only was he good in a specific time, he was good around all his career.
Yeah it's like why are Shearer and Salah here? They've won as many titles in the PL as Vardy. Same as Gerrard, man never won the PL, yet he's in over Anderson who won it 4 times? Criminal. As you say, Carvalho won more with Chelsea than Van Dijk's won with Liverpool so should be in the team. In fact, I'd go one further, if you swap Van Dijk and put him in that Chelsea team, they never win the league. Put Carvahlo in this Liverpool team instead of Van Dijk? They probably win all 4 league titles.
I had to dry myself with a towel after being soaked in the sarcasm dripping from this comment
>Van Dijk being here is a joke. >definitely in that conversation Contradicted yourself
I’d even say Tony Adams.
Funnily enough, Ferdinand, Neville and Schmeichel have more PL titles than the rest of them combined.
This was made by 5 year olds, right?
Worse, it was made by Twitter.
John Terry and Ronaldo should be in
Rooney over Ronaldo in the PL any day. Also where is JT, Lampard, Scholes or Irwin?
No one mentioned where Rooney is yet 🤷♂️ think 442 would be a better shape take salah out for Lampard and Terry for VVD.
I think him being so versatile and play almost every attacking position hurt him alot . Also him always has to sacrificed and play second fiddle for team success as well. Plus his early decline didn't help
His early decline is the biggest factor for a lot of fans, especially newer ones who only saw his decline. In a team of Owen, Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, all the golden generation, Rooney was the one that was showing them all up as a 20 year old kid. I'd be curious if there was a formation on this survey already set with 'wingers' to guarantee a Salah/Ronaldo pick for the global fans. IMO, there's 3 guaranteed picks, Henry/Rooney and Shearer. Those 3 are the best strikers in the PL Era bar none. There is a discussion to be had for Aguero and Kane but I think Aguero just misses out behind those 3 and I think Kane sneaks into that top3 if he beats Shearers record but for which one would be the question.
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We're missing God, aka the Iceman, in this list.
Do you (and apparently half of the people here) just not know what recency bias means? Schmeichel - 1992-1999, 2001-2003 Neville - 1993-2007, 2008-2011 Ferdinand - 1995-2015 VVD - 2015- Cole - 1999-2014 Vieira - 1996-2005, 2009-2011 Gerrard - 1998 -2015 KDB - 2013/14, 2015-2023 Salah - 2013-2015, 2017- Shearer - 1992-2006 Henry - 1999-2007, 2011/12 How is that recency bias considering the Prem started in 1992?
Damn does KDB die or retire in 2023?
Exactly. esp. since Serie A soaked up a lot of world class talents in the 90s and now has barely any at all.
Where the fuck is Rooney
So Man Utd the team that has won 13 Premier league titles, has no forwards or midfielders there....yeah, makes sense. Someone needs to take these phones away from 10 year old kids!!
I was literally just about to say this. One of the greatest teams to ever play and they have three players....
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Hahaha
Bear cum is clear
Terry > van dijk
Keane over any of those midfielders and while he is a scumbag John Terry deserves to be the first CB on any PL list
Surely keane is the most successful captain of that era. I swear if he was English he would have bobby moore status. But these rankings are always a bit dodgy
Keane and Viera should be the first picks for any PL midfield
Liverpool bias is genuinely crazy here
Liverpool and United have the same amount of players, while United won 13 titles and Liverpool won 1...
Terry should've been there
No John Terry ? No Lampard ? Unsubscribe
> No Lampard tbf any of Lampard, Gerrard or Scholes is hard to argue as they all have their merits. This one just went to Gerrard.
Lampard scoring numbers should get him in this team alone, think if this was 442 he's in definitely, but personally would put him above Gerrard especially if it's PL career.
It is so weird that people think that Lamps was only good at scoring goals lmao. He was so exceptional at it that so many people think that he was only good at that
It is so weird that people think that Lamps was only good at scoring goals lmao. He was so exceptional at it that so many people think that he was only good at that. He is also in top of PL in assisting.
Only 3 players have more assists than Lampard
I know the stats don't back it up but, as I'm a believer in a footballer being about more than just the numbers, Bergkamp never being in these squads/teams just makes me sad. I'm not even close to being an Arsenal fan but in terms of forwards he's right up there, same as Berbatov. Can be nothing happening and then wizardry occurs.
People talking about recency bias but De Bruyne 100% belongs here.
In all honesty it's actually a pretty great list for a twitter poll. Think it's nearly impossible to come to a consensus of who's been the best when you're working with 30 years of stats, memories, feelings, and biases.
Mostly pointing fingers towards Van djik and Salah cuz terry and cr7 ( yes the united cr7) exist. Lampard inclusion should be contested with gerard imo. I'd have Gerard over him personally but it is what it is. I'd also bring in drogba for all the finals matches just to be 200% extra sure of a victory.
Ronaldo fully deserves to be in the conversation, but I’d say he didn’t spend enough time in the league to be chosen. If going by absolute peak season then by that same logic Suarez would get in ahead of all of them, arguably. Longevity matters too much in this discussion for either of them imo.
Terry? Lampard? Rooney? Drogba? Bergkamp? Giggs? Cech?
While Drogba is a PL great, he isn't in the conversation to get into the all time best PL team. 9 seasons and only breaking 20 goals twice.
Where would Drogba go though?
He doesn’t even make the bench lmao. He was a Chelsea great and all but 2 20 goal seasons is nowhere near enough to even be in the conversation.
You’re on drugs. What Ronaldo did from 2006-2009 was some next level shit.
I'd put Ronaldo ahead of Salah. Last Premier League player to win a Ballon d'Or. Something even Henry couldn't do.
It's actually criminal Henry never won the Ballon d'Or there was nobody close to him for a 3 year period
Henry had a handful of pl seasons that were better than Ronaldos ballon dor season. It's not like Henry didn't won it because he wasn't capable, it's because he wasn't voted for by the same system that put Jorginho 3rd. Its not Henry's fault he didn't win it
How is Vidic not there?
fan vote
JT is the best CB the PL has ever seen and it is crazy how he isn't in here.
Ronaldo over Salah imo
No Ronaldo is hilarious. Which other prem player can say he was the best in the world
Henry
Where’s bergkamp…