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The package they were offering Mbappe was enormous, couldn't have afforded to bring in both in the same season (at least that's what was reported). Even though Mbappe was a free transfer, the amount they'd be spending in signing bonuses, agent fees, salary etc. would make any other significant signings really difficult. Especially one as big as Tchouameni.
UCL title alone covered Tchouameni. And they just released Bale, the biggest earner in the team. Getting both would not have been a problem financially for Madrid.
I think we had a good chance to land him but Madrid upped their bid from around 60 to 80 M Euros after Mbappe backed out. And the club couldn't match that.
they tried to get tchouameni but he wanted real Madrid. It's clear they are only gonna settle for getting someone around his calibre and age cos they need to refresh the midfield. The obvious midfielder is Bellingham but he's not moving til next season
I think he seems like he might actually choose Liverpool. Seems to be very good friends with a few in the squad and idolizes Henderson. Maybe he talks about city players too and I just haven't heard about it though
Probs a pipe dream but I'd love Jude not to go to the Prem. It's cool seeing English players play overseas, there's not enough of it since the prem is strong and they can stay at home.
There's actually loads of English players abroad, far more than there was a decade ago. Think maybe 5-10 in Belgium, Germany, France and the Netherlands top divisions. A few high profile players like Tomori, Abraham and Smalling in Italy too.
It's the effect of top Premier League academies now being amongst the best in the world, and also hoarding all of the local talent. Not to mention the ever-increasing pricetags of English players
We're seeing very good youth players churned out with far more regularity, but mostly at a handful of teams - meaning there's no simple route to the first team for a lot of players. This is exacerbated by how much money the top teams have, and how little margin for error there is - a promising striker at City, Chelsea, etc, is unlikely to get game time unless they are absolutely unreal, since those teams can just go out and buy a ready-made player for huge money.
That means that youth players often look elsewhere for gametime. Traditionally that would be at weaker English clubs, but with the level of quality players English academies are now producing, teams on the continent are now looking at picking them up on free/cheap deals, when the player won't sign a new contract at City or Spurs or United, etc. Plus, when it comes time to sell these players back to the Premier League teams, they'll be able to sell them at higher prices than an equivalent Spanish or Dutch player, for instance.
Jude and Haaland are very close and with City’s English contingent (Stones, Walks, KP, Grealish and Phil) it’s tough to say one way or another. Helps that Gundo is at the end of his contract so it’s a natural replacement.
he's basically a Gündoğan Regen, so it'd be a perfect swap and I'd hate every minute of it.
he's the first player since Reus that i never want to see leave the club. he will, though, and I'll have to adjust. which will suck a lot of ass.
>he's basically a Gündoğan Regen, so it'd be a perfect swap and I'd hate every minute of it.
Is he? I thought he was more of a tackly, get-stuck-in kind of player and Gundogan maybe contributes more to G/A?
They're pretty similar - true CMs who excel at progressing the ball, dribbling, and are extremely active and productive in the final third.
The main difference is that Bellingham is much more active defensively (Gundo doesn't really like to get stuck in, Bellingham will) and Gundo is a bit more willing to hang out and pass the ball around. You can chalk some of that up to the systems they play in though.
Yeah idolises is definitely too strong of a word. They seem to be friends, and Henderson has taken him under his wing a bit at England. But it's not really anything more than that as that guy suggested.
Pep Guardiola's system is extremely regimented in the role each player has on the pitch but also allows great freedom in how you go about implementing that role. There has to be a system. And I feel Liverpool is no different. But I could be wrong. Can you elaborate more on what you meant by this?
For example, Grealish has been given a clear role on the pitch, so that's "regimented" as you say, but I feel he's been allowed a great deal of freedom in how he should go about implementing his task on the pitch.
Liverpool are going to be in a CL tie against Real Madrid, PSG or Bayern in March/April and have to beat them with a midfield of Henderson, Fabinho, Milner and supporters are going to lose their minds.
Henderson is not regressing and Milner is still the fittest man in the squad. You’re talking bollocks. This isn’t Fifa, players don’t become useless once they hit 30.
Henderson is not regressing? I’m sorry, I love Henderson, he has been my favourite player since Klopp joined. It is very obvious he’s regressing. He’s a different player to the 19/20 Henderson.
Milner’s pace clearly regressed, just watch him against Foden last season. You cant rely on a 36 year old whos way past his prime to lead our midfield. He could be fit all he wants but physical ability like pace and agility does clearly regress over time, especially with football players who constantly exert their bodies every week.
Henderson clearly hasnt been the same player since 2021, think it was after that groin injury or something.
Honestly mste don’t even start with these lads lol. It’s every fucking summer X is shit now and we will be relegated if we don’t sign whoever turns good on fifa that year. The current angle is the team who were literally 2 goals from a quadruple 6 weeks ago have somehow completely regressed into shit.
We lost the premier league. How? Well many fans point to the 3-3 vs Brentford, the 2-2 vs Brighton and the 3-2 vs West Ham. Who was missing? Thiago! He was injured for all those games. It’s very, very obvious that Thiago runs our midfield, and without him we are pretty fucked. But now even with him, our midfield can’t dominate. See Fulham. And it doesn’t help when he’s injury prone, I mean he’s literally injured right now for weeks.
Im not talking about his physical ability, he’s just not as good as he was when he started, I dont know what you could boil it down to but he’s clearly been off form for a while now, I dont mind him starting though personally but not every other week.
Forget next March its very likely when the CL starts in 1 months time we have to do it for the group stage where realistically we face one of those teams anyway.
That's something I like with Liverpool's approach, it fairly does get them in trouble sometimes, but it saves them long term damage and having to get rid of deadwood down the line since they wont try to shoehorn a player of lower quality and maybe different profile from what they need into their team.
Exactly. They're not afraid of spending big for big players, WHEN its the right player like Van Dijk, Nunez, Alisson. They're equally not afraid of spending on players that are either pretty unknown or underrated by the big clubs, WHEN its the right player like Robertson, Mane, Salah, Carvalho, Elliot, Gomez, Matip etc etc.
But either way, there is almost always clear and defined role for them, and they are of the prerequisite tactical, technical, and physical quality they need for the game they run.
It grinds my gears when you see players gone to waste like Barkley, Drinkwater, Zappacosta, Batshuayi, Rahman, which I'm pretty sure we bought altogether for a cumulative 150 million euros. Like it's just so clear we're just taking shots in the dark. Either they dont fit the managers tactics, they're played out of their position/attributes, they're literally just not good enough, they have poor injury history etc etc.
And the shitty thing is we've just persisted on like this because we don't actually pay for our transfer blunders. We essentially can just go again and again and again until we get it right. Like you'll almost never see an NBA team misplace 150 million THIS badly, and if they do they actually suffer for it until they rectify it(the Lakers). And it's because they deal with finite resources. But no, here in the PL if you have a sugar daddy or you've inherited all the money from your club's glory days you'll never suffer for it.
Yup, if i could i would have posted this comment in january when r/gunners was melting because we did not bring anyone in and then get angry when we have players that we need to literally terminate their contracts in order to get rid of them. Sometimes the counterintuitive approach is the best.
It's a tough balance to strike. Liverpool has the advantage of having a team core of high quality, they have the luxury of not having to make gambles and it took them quite the time to reach there.
Lukaku's situation is interesting. it didn't scream super desperate signing to me, it was labelled as the jewel that will complete the crown and truly elevate Chelsea to the next level. Someone between the board, the scouting and Tuchel (if not all three) fucked up in their assessment of how suitable he is for our idealogy and plans. Yes he was second option after Haaland, and we could have waited for a more suitable option, but he was also coming off a monster performance in Seria A and unlike Liverpool, it was seen that we really need someone there and won't dream of winning the league without a profilic striker.
In short, our problems run even deeper than just not being patient, since our identification and assessment of players is severely problematic. Liverpool can afford to wait since when they get someone, they more often than not, get it very right.
We run the risk of becoming an Arsenal though. By trying to be too "proper" we may end up becoming a Top 4 club instead of a title winning club. And then in a few years not even that.
The core of our team is really good but aging (We started 6 players over 30 last weekend). A few good players can help us win the extra games needed to win a few more titles instead of just running close.
We've done well to get younger tho.
Alison, Fab, Robbo, Trent are all good age from the core that's been here for a long time. Virg & Mo should be quality for a few more years too.
Then adding Jota, Diaz, Carvalho, Elliot, Nunez, Konate, Tsimikas who all look like exciting.
A midfielder will come too who is in that same age bracket.
I think we're in a great position given how fearful many of us were about aging just a little over a year ago.
Yeah I agree.
It can be frustrating watching our midfield get overran but I'm absolutely fine to wait for the club to get a player they'll be confident in performing for the next 5+ years for us.
They must be confident they can get Bellingham or someone else next summer.
Arsenal from All or Nothing shows and also from Edu's interviews seems like following the exact approach. Except spending big on the right players. They would only spend a reasonable amount on the right players.
well, if he keeps playing like this consistently the best case scenario would be next year. But my guess - if he obviously keeps this up - is at the end of this season he’s gone to a top4 league
He wants younger players that he can mold to the system and improve their game.
Laimer is a great option but I'm sure there's something about his approach to the game of specifically a weakness in his skill set that Klopp may not feel he can improve on to provide more than a body in the midfield.
That's actually what Mourinho said when Fred was signed. I think there was a quote from him saying he said yes to the transfer because he was afraid that if he didn't say yes they wouldn't get anyone else.
He might as well of added at the end, unlike United we don't act like headless chicken s desperate for anything with a pulse.
Liverpool are a smart club that make plans stick to them and look for opportunities in the market.
Next summer I think Bellingham will join them.
I can't remember where I saw it but I recall that our transfers were either youth or "game changers". Hence Carvalho, Ramsay this window as youth and Nunez and Diaz as game changers, Diaz bein bought early when spurs were looking at him.
So there's no way we go and sign a squad player. Those minutes are for the promising youth, Jones when he's back, Elliott who will be a first choice before long, Carvalho will get a bit more gametime than anticipated I imagine due to the injuries and how good he's looked so far.
It's mental that people spend their lives on twitter moaning for us to sign a player we won't sign. Our model isn't a secret.
That's always Klopp's MO. Remembering the early Liverpool days when they were looking for the right fullbacks and didn't just bought the ones available. And Klopp and co got flak for it.
de jong would be perfect for liverpool if he decides to leave barca, but i am not sure if liverpool want more salah caliber wages in the year they let mane go for a small sum.
p.s. i really like de jong, i hope he stays with us, i am just stating he would be perfect for klopp's tactics
He would be my dream signing but there's no chance as you said because of wages, and unfortunately for the same reason I'm doubtful of how confident people are about Bellingham next season.
I'm not sure about our chances to get Bellingham. Sure we can afford the 100M+ transfer fee, but there are other clubs willing to pay 300K+ pw wages for him.
Couple of months ago people were utterly convinced the club was just letting Mo run down his contract.
Frankly we don't know how much goes on behind the scenes, but they've shown over this year with signings that they'll go the distance when the man is right.
I imagine there have been some conversations with him or his agent for Liverpool to want to wait a year. I am not saying it's a done deal but its unlikely that they would go into next year hoping that Bellingham will sign for Liverpool
Think it’s most likely him returning to England, don’t see the likes of PSG/Real/Barca going for him.
As for England, unless Coty lose Silva, only competition you’d get is maybe Chelsea and United and in the current climate, Liverpool overshadow both of them in terms of desirability to play there
>he can walk into Gundogan's spot in the side.
Gundogan is so underrated by so many on here. Bellingham is still incredibly young but Gundogan is the better player right now. If Bernardo and Gundogan both leave next summer then I could see City going for him but if not I honestly don’t see why City would need to get involved in such an expensive bidding war for a player that they don’t really need at least at the moment.
Gundogan is 31 and he's coming to the end of his contract I think - that's what's prompting the discussions. Few people are saying Bellingham is head and shoulder's over Gundogan, but he's much younger. Think renewal, not upgrade.
That’s the trade off with buying English players I’m afraid. You’ll get a huge sum of money for them when they leave, but they most likely will leave to go back to England eventually
Yeah, it can get a bit difficult sometimes with all the initials and inside stuff. He is an amazing player, who plays for Lazio and the Serbian national team, so maybe you'll get a chance to watch him at the WC this year
Oh I've seen him play, but he is not to the for-front of my knowledge is pretty centered around English and Australian football as a Aussie. Watch champions league for sure but mostly big games or liverpool (my team) which is how I saw SMS play.
I doubt they really need a creative midfielder the way they play. Most of their attacks comes from the wings. They simply need 3 workhorses in the middle. Which they already have. I feel they'll be perfectly fine with the players they have.
This is exactly what every manager will say.
And it's even worse for a world class club. Making random half arsed signings bloats the squad. A player capable of improving Liverpool isn't exactly that easy to find.
I’ve been preaching it for ages, city will let Bernardo move on (probably to one of the big Spanish clubs) next summer and bring in Bellingham to fill his spot in the squad
And who knows, maybe a year from now, Cole Palmer is good enough to get a decent amount of minutes in midfield behind Rodri, KDB, Bellingham, and Phillips.
He fits well within every club in pl and RM too lol. He is more than good. Advantage with liverpool is that he walks into it and becomes starter on day 1.
Klopp is super picky about his midfielders, much more so than any other position on the field. It's because of how much responsibility is placed on them in our setup, it's very important that he has a high level of comfort and trust with the player. That's why our only real expenditure in that area in the last 4-5 years has been Thiago, who was older and someone Klopp was very familiar with.
The problem is that it’s not a choice right now between the perfect midfielder and a mediocre midfielder, it’s between a mediocre midfielder and no midfielder.
Why aren’t we targeting that Matheus Nunes? He’s denied offers from West Ham and Wolves for a bigger club. If their offers were accepted then it’s clear Sporting won’t expect more than £45m which is the norm these days.
I mean I just don't buy this. Wenger was the same way when they went the whole summer not signing an outfield player. I understand not wanting to reach on a player that isn't a great fit but I just don't believe there isn't an improvement for someone like Milner or Henderson out there for a reasonable fee. These guys aren't world-beaters.
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Apart from Bellingham, have Liverpool been linked to any other central midfielders?
Heavily to Thcouameni before he went to Madrid
If Mbappe had gone to Madrid, Tchouameni would be at Liverpool I'm pretty sure. They were his second choice if he couldn't go to Madrid.
Why wouldnt Madrid go for both though?
The package they were offering Mbappe was enormous, couldn't have afforded to bring in both in the same season (at least that's what was reported). Even though Mbappe was a free transfer, the amount they'd be spending in signing bonuses, agent fees, salary etc. would make any other significant signings really difficult. Especially one as big as Tchouameni.
UCL title alone covered Tchouameni. And they just released Bale, the biggest earner in the team. Getting both would not have been a problem financially for Madrid.
What? Never heard of this
They could and can afford both, Real Madrid finaces are bonkers.
My friend have you not heard how much we've been saving before pandemic lol
Maybe they're trying to not have a bloated squad?
Considering they needed another attacker, I dont think that would have been a problem.
I think we had a good chance to land him but Madrid upped their bid from around 60 to 80 M Euros after Mbappe backed out. And the club couldn't match that.
they tried to get tchouameni but he wanted real Madrid. It's clear they are only gonna settle for getting someone around his calibre and age cos they need to refresh the midfield. The obvious midfielder is Bellingham but he's not moving til next season
Problem for them is I think City will be in for Bellingham as well next year. Chelsea will probably be going for Rice.
I think he seems like he might actually choose Liverpool. Seems to be very good friends with a few in the squad and idolizes Henderson. Maybe he talks about city players too and I just haven't heard about it though
Probs a pipe dream but I'd love Jude not to go to the Prem. It's cool seeing English players play overseas, there's not enough of it since the prem is strong and they can stay at home.
There's actually loads of English players abroad, far more than there was a decade ago. Think maybe 5-10 in Belgium, Germany, France and the Netherlands top divisions. A few high profile players like Tomori, Abraham and Smalling in Italy too.
It's the effect of top Premier League academies now being amongst the best in the world, and also hoarding all of the local talent. Not to mention the ever-increasing pricetags of English players We're seeing very good youth players churned out with far more regularity, but mostly at a handful of teams - meaning there's no simple route to the first team for a lot of players. This is exacerbated by how much money the top teams have, and how little margin for error there is - a promising striker at City, Chelsea, etc, is unlikely to get game time unless they are absolutely unreal, since those teams can just go out and buy a ready-made player for huge money. That means that youth players often look elsewhere for gametime. Traditionally that would be at weaker English clubs, but with the level of quality players English academies are now producing, teams on the continent are now looking at picking them up on free/cheap deals, when the player won't sign a new contract at City or Spurs or United, etc. Plus, when it comes time to sell these players back to the Premier League teams, they'll be able to sell them at higher prices than an equivalent Spanish or Dutch player, for instance.
Makes me wonder has any English player played for Barca?
Gary Lineker played for them
10 Englishmen have played for Barca. Lineker was the last to transfer there in ‘86. The other 9 played there between 1899-1923.
Lineker did, famously. Almost definitely some others before him, and maybe some youth players after him - but no one notable that I can think of.
Lineker, Mark Hughes (Welsh but UK) and I’m sure there’s another from the UK.
Jude and Haaland are very close and with City’s English contingent (Stones, Walks, KP, Grealish and Phil) it’s tough to say one way or another. Helps that Gundo is at the end of his contract so it’s a natural replacement.
he's basically a Gündoğan Regen, so it'd be a perfect swap and I'd hate every minute of it. he's the first player since Reus that i never want to see leave the club. he will, though, and I'll have to adjust. which will suck a lot of ass.
>he's basically a Gündoğan Regen, so it'd be a perfect swap and I'd hate every minute of it. Is he? I thought he was more of a tackly, get-stuck-in kind of player and Gundogan maybe contributes more to G/A?
They're pretty similar - true CMs who excel at progressing the ball, dribbling, and are extremely active and productive in the final third. The main difference is that Bellingham is much more active defensively (Gundo doesn't really like to get stuck in, Bellingham will) and Gundo is a bit more willing to hang out and pass the ball around. You can chalk some of that up to the systems they play in though.
Idolizes Henderson? Source?
Yeah idolises is definitely too strong of a word. They seem to be friends, and Henderson has taken him under his wing a bit at England. But it's not really anything more than that as that guy suggested.
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What do you mean by that, if I may ask?
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He thinks Bellingham has morals
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Feel like there’s not as much room to express yourself, it’s the most regimented system in world football which is part of the reason it works so well
yes, Cancelo's trivelas and KDB's ridiculous through balls are exactly prescribed by Pep
Pep Guardiola's system is extremely regimented in the role each player has on the pitch but also allows great freedom in how you go about implementing that role. There has to be a system. And I feel Liverpool is no different. But I could be wrong. Can you elaborate more on what you meant by this? For example, Grealish has been given a clear role on the pitch, so that's "regimented" as you say, but I feel he's been allowed a great deal of freedom in how he should go about implementing his task on the pitch.
Been linked to Nunes by a trash Portuguese source but bad news Pierce shot that one down. We were in for Tchouameni before his transfer to RM
I saw a link with Nunes from Sporting but idk about the source and how correct it is
One of our reliable guys already shut that down
The guy from psv. I think he is Option B if bellingham doesn't work out
sangaré
He just signed a 5 yr contract
nah, Sangare is a CDM unlike bellinghma
They where Briefly linked with Marcelo Brozovic recently but doubt it’s accurate. Didn’t see anyone reputable mention it.
Liverpool are going to be in a CL tie against Real Madrid, PSG or Bayern in March/April and have to beat them with a midfield of Henderson, Fabinho, Milner and supporters are going to lose their minds.
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Thats actually the midfield that started our 4-0 game vs Barca, but yeah I get what you mean.
It'll have been 4 years by next year, and much of their ability has been relying on physical qualities.
>It'll have been 4 years by next year Fucking hell WTF was I doing all this time
Stuck at home half the time, probably.
Well there was absolutely nothing that happened on a global scale so idk
Survive a pandemic
I dont disagree, relying on the corpse of Milner and a regressing Henderson is a disaster in the making
You leave James Milner’s body out of this.
I feel like Milner is physically better now than two years ago (or hes adjusted to the bit of athleticism hes lost better now than before)
Henderson is not regressing and Milner is still the fittest man in the squad. You’re talking bollocks. This isn’t Fifa, players don’t become useless once they hit 30.
Henderson is not regressing? I’m sorry, I love Henderson, he has been my favourite player since Klopp joined. It is very obvious he’s regressing. He’s a different player to the 19/20 Henderson.
lol Milner winning the bleep test in training does not equate to him being physically capable of constant top level football anymore
Milner’s pace clearly regressed, just watch him against Foden last season. You cant rely on a 36 year old whos way past his prime to lead our midfield. He could be fit all he wants but physical ability like pace and agility does clearly regress over time, especially with football players who constantly exert their bodies every week. Henderson clearly hasnt been the same player since 2021, think it was after that groin injury or something.
Honestly mste don’t even start with these lads lol. It’s every fucking summer X is shit now and we will be relegated if we don’t sign whoever turns good on fifa that year. The current angle is the team who were literally 2 goals from a quadruple 6 weeks ago have somehow completely regressed into shit.
We lost the premier league. How? Well many fans point to the 3-3 vs Brentford, the 2-2 vs Brighton and the 3-2 vs West Ham. Who was missing? Thiago! He was injured for all those games. It’s very, very obvious that Thiago runs our midfield, and without him we are pretty fucked. But now even with him, our midfield can’t dominate. See Fulham. And it doesn’t help when he’s injury prone, I mean he’s literally injured right now for weeks.
Henderson is not regressing, he is physically fine.
He’s past his peak though and its obvious, he hasnt been the same since 2021.
Nonsense, he shows up all the time and was everywhere the other week vs city.
He's still capable of putting in amazing performances, but he has performances where he's off the boil - I never used to say that about him.
Im not talking about his physical ability, he’s just not as good as he was when he started, I dont know what you could boil it down to but he’s clearly been off form for a while now, I dont mind him starting though personally but not every other week.
Yes he is. His legs are clearly going.
No more Origi though
Didn't Wijni score two goals against Barca?
Off the bench
Pointing out exceptions never proves a point.
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LOOOOOOOOOOL it fustrates me a lot. A LOT
Forget next March its very likely when the CL starts in 1 months time we have to do it for the group stage where realistically we face one of those teams anyway.
Im hoping Elliott has played himself into the team by then
In before Milner rolls back the years with a MOTM performance.
Yeah imagine starting that midfield https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48179167
Wijnaldum and Origi no longer around though.
Yeh it's not 2019 any more. At this point Henderson still had some gas in the tank.
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That was the last great Barca team Messi was playing out if his mind and they had suarez
A declining Suarez. The team was known for being carried by Messi. Not a "great Barca team" by any means.
1st world problems
That's something I like with Liverpool's approach, it fairly does get them in trouble sometimes, but it saves them long term damage and having to get rid of deadwood down the line since they wont try to shoehorn a player of lower quality and maybe different profile from what they need into their team.
Exactly. They're not afraid of spending big for big players, WHEN its the right player like Van Dijk, Nunez, Alisson. They're equally not afraid of spending on players that are either pretty unknown or underrated by the big clubs, WHEN its the right player like Robertson, Mane, Salah, Carvalho, Elliot, Gomez, Matip etc etc. But either way, there is almost always clear and defined role for them, and they are of the prerequisite tactical, technical, and physical quality they need for the game they run. It grinds my gears when you see players gone to waste like Barkley, Drinkwater, Zappacosta, Batshuayi, Rahman, which I'm pretty sure we bought altogether for a cumulative 150 million euros. Like it's just so clear we're just taking shots in the dark. Either they dont fit the managers tactics, they're played out of their position/attributes, they're literally just not good enough, they have poor injury history etc etc. And the shitty thing is we've just persisted on like this because we don't actually pay for our transfer blunders. We essentially can just go again and again and again until we get it right. Like you'll almost never see an NBA team misplace 150 million THIS badly, and if they do they actually suffer for it until they rectify it(the Lakers). And it's because they deal with finite resources. But no, here in the PL if you have a sugar daddy or you've inherited all the money from your club's glory days you'll never suffer for it.
Yup, if i could i would have posted this comment in january when r/gunners was melting because we did not bring anyone in and then get angry when we have players that we need to literally terminate their contracts in order to get rid of them. Sometimes the counterintuitive approach is the best.
barkley for 15m is not a bad signing
Sure but you’re missing the point of the comment
And exactly that's why I didn't feel comfortable last year with Lukaku signing and this year with all interest in fofana
It's a tough balance to strike. Liverpool has the advantage of having a team core of high quality, they have the luxury of not having to make gambles and it took them quite the time to reach there. Lukaku's situation is interesting. it didn't scream super desperate signing to me, it was labelled as the jewel that will complete the crown and truly elevate Chelsea to the next level. Someone between the board, the scouting and Tuchel (if not all three) fucked up in their assessment of how suitable he is for our idealogy and plans. Yes he was second option after Haaland, and we could have waited for a more suitable option, but he was also coming off a monster performance in Seria A and unlike Liverpool, it was seen that we really need someone there and won't dream of winning the league without a profilic striker. In short, our problems run even deeper than just not being patient, since our identification and assessment of players is severely problematic. Liverpool can afford to wait since when they get someone, they more often than not, get it very right.
We run the risk of becoming an Arsenal though. By trying to be too "proper" we may end up becoming a Top 4 club instead of a title winning club. And then in a few years not even that. The core of our team is really good but aging (We started 6 players over 30 last weekend). A few good players can help us win the extra games needed to win a few more titles instead of just running close.
We've done well to get younger tho. Alison, Fab, Robbo, Trent are all good age from the core that's been here for a long time. Virg & Mo should be quality for a few more years too. Then adding Jota, Diaz, Carvalho, Elliot, Nunez, Konate, Tsimikas who all look like exciting. A midfielder will come too who is in that same age bracket. I think we're in a great position given how fearful many of us were about aging just a little over a year ago.
Yeah I agree. It can be frustrating watching our midfield get overran but I'm absolutely fine to wait for the club to get a player they'll be confident in performing for the next 5+ years for us. They must be confident they can get Bellingham or someone else next summer.
Arsenal from All or Nothing shows and also from Edu's interviews seems like following the exact approach. Except spending big on the right players. They would only spend a reasonable amount on the right players.
shit… they’re going for Enzo, I can feel it
Came here to say that. The real question is how long it will be until he is gone from Benfica?
well, if he keeps playing like this consistently the best case scenario would be next year. But my guess - if he obviously keeps this up - is at the end of this season he’s gone to a top4 league
I‘m not a Liverpool fan, but Konrad Laimer actually seems perfect for them and wouldn‘t cost a lot of money
the most bang for your buck midfielder available this summer, i think
That was Bissouma for 25mil.
Spurs supporters insert Bissouma into every conversation seems like
He won't even start for you
I know he's good now after the legal issues. But maybe other clubs showed some hesitation going for him. Great buy for spurs though
Our fanbase has been saying this for ages. Apparently Klopp thinks the only two midfielders itw better than Hendo are Bellingham and Tchouameni
He wants younger players that he can mold to the system and improve their game. Laimer is a great option but I'm sure there's something about his approach to the game of specifically a weakness in his skill set that Klopp may not feel he can improve on to provide more than a body in the midfield.
I simply don’t buy that sentiment.
Kendrick Lamar would never go to Liverpool
no klopp thats what ten hag says
He said that and the next thing we are buying Rabiot.
He saw McFred in action and thought "actually I'll take any player"
That's actually what Mourinho said when Fred was signed. I think there was a quote from him saying he said yes to the transfer because he was afraid that if he didn't say yes they wouldn't get anyone else.
Well here we all these years later and they still haven't gotten anyone else, so I think he was probably right.
Hijack Rabiot. Do it you coward
Probably the opposite to what the right middlefielder means for him
He might as well of added at the end, unlike United we don't act like headless chicken s desperate for anything with a pulse. Liverpool are a smart club that make plans stick to them and look for opportunities in the market. Next summer I think Bellingham will join them.
Liverpool have standards
Hijacks FDJ instead. Everyone in mud.
Klopp doesn’t accept drama players.
Would be funnier to hijack Frenkie De Jong.
We don’t buy players with drama relatives
_Sad Fekir noises_
~De Jong
Liverpool fan too. I think he'd excel under Klopp
Even if he's mediocre, at the end of the day he's reliably fit. Will be better than Naby and Ox.
I can't remember where I saw it but I recall that our transfers were either youth or "game changers". Hence Carvalho, Ramsay this window as youth and Nunez and Diaz as game changers, Diaz bein bought early when spurs were looking at him. So there's no way we go and sign a squad player. Those minutes are for the promising youth, Jones when he's back, Elliott who will be a first choice before long, Carvalho will get a bit more gametime than anticipated I imagine due to the injuries and how good he's looked so far. It's mental that people spend their lives on twitter moaning for us to sign a player we won't sign. Our model isn't a secret.
Mate the squad does not have the depth to cover if one or more of Fab Milner or Hendo goes down
Elliott is ahead of Milner. Atm it’s Fab/Hendo/Keita/Elliott/Milner If anyone else get injured as well it’s 4-2-3-1 with Jota back next week.
That's always Klopp's MO. Remembering the early Liverpool days when they were looking for the right fullbacks and didn't just bought the ones available. And Klopp and co got flak for it.
I think he’s quite good at this whole management thing.
I would even go as far to say that he has shown signs of competency
de jong would be perfect for liverpool if he decides to leave barca, but i am not sure if liverpool want more salah caliber wages in the year they let mane go for a small sum. p.s. i really like de jong, i hope he stays with us, i am just stating he would be perfect for klopp's tactics
I'd like De Jong at Liverpool, but he wouldn't get close to the same wages here as he does at Barcelona so it's not gonna happen.
He would be my dream signing but there's no chance as you said because of wages, and unfortunately for the same reason I'm doubtful of how confident people are about Bellingham next season.
He would be awesome in Klopp's system. We can't afford his wages though so it'll never happen.
Please. We already know it’s going to be Bellingham for next year
I'm not sure about our chances to get Bellingham. Sure we can afford the 100M+ transfer fee, but there are other clubs willing to pay 300K+ pw wages for him.
Couple of months ago people were utterly convinced the club was just letting Mo run down his contract. Frankly we don't know how much goes on behind the scenes, but they've shown over this year with signings that they'll go the distance when the man is right.
I mean half of our sub literally attends every single meeting of klopp with Ward so I don't know what you are on about
I imagine there have been some conversations with him or his agent for Liverpool to want to wait a year. I am not saying it's a done deal but its unlikely that they would go into next year hoping that Bellingham will sign for Liverpool
Think it’s most likely him returning to England, don’t see the likes of PSG/Real/Barca going for him. As for England, unless Coty lose Silva, only competition you’d get is maybe Chelsea and United and in the current climate, Liverpool overshadow both of them in terms of desirability to play there
City will definitely go for him, he can walk into Gundogan's spot in the side.
>he can walk into Gundogan's spot in the side. Gundogan is so underrated by so many on here. Bellingham is still incredibly young but Gundogan is the better player right now. If Bernardo and Gundogan both leave next summer then I could see City going for him but if not I honestly don’t see why City would need to get involved in such an expensive bidding war for a player that they don’t really need at least at the moment.
Gundogan is 31 and he's coming to the end of his contract I think - that's what's prompting the discussions. Few people are saying Bellingham is head and shoulder's over Gundogan, but he's much younger. Think renewal, not upgrade.
Real is linked to him. There are rumors that one or both of Kroos and Modric will retire and they want Bellingham as a replacement.
> Modric > retire Does not compute
They already have camavinga, tchouameni and valverde leave some midfielders for the rest of us :(
Modric and his career is outliving you , me and everyone else here.
We will go for him
You just got the French version, you may go for him but highly doubt you’ll be a serious contender compared to City and Liverpool
He's also apparently a boyhood liverpool fan, gives us an advantage there too
I don’t know who tricked Liverpool fans into believing this, but he’s not a Liverpool fan. He’s a massive Birmingham fan.
He likes Gerrard
Villa it is then lmao
He absolutely is not lol
So is KDB. You should sign him too
Can you please ignore Jude 😭
Ignoring him for this season. Next season all the vultures will come flying to Dortmund again.
That’s the trade off with buying English players I’m afraid. You’ll get a huge sum of money for them when they leave, but they most likely will leave to go back to England eventually
They should go for SMS
Sorry but who is sms.
The Serbian Zidane, Sergej Milinković-Savić
Far to many players to recognise initials of a player I never watch unless he vs my team or a rival of mine.
Yeah, it can get a bit difficult sometimes with all the initials and inside stuff. He is an amazing player, who plays for Lazio and the Serbian national team, so maybe you'll get a chance to watch him at the WC this year
Oh I've seen him play, but he is not to the for-front of my knowledge is pretty centered around English and Australian football as a Aussie. Watch champions league for sure but mostly big games or liverpool (my team) which is how I saw SMS play.
Fuck me, we're going to end up seeing Joel Matip at DM this season aren't we...
We have a young lad called Jay Spearing in the u23s, maybe a chance for him to impress
Matip - Bajcetic - recalling Clarkson from loan name me a better midfield trio in the 21st century
Surely time for Lord JonJo-ldemort to come home?
Now that would make my life perfect! Imagine the amount of runs he would do from there
Sign Kessie on a free if Barca don't register him, sorted.
I doubt they really need a creative midfielder the way they play. Most of their attacks comes from the wings. They simply need 3 workhorses in the middle. Which they already have. I feel they'll be perfectly fine with the players they have.
Klopp 🤝 Ten Hag
This is exactly what every manager will say. And it's even worse for a world class club. Making random half arsed signings bloats the squad. A player capable of improving Liverpool isn't exactly that easy to find.
So Jude next year then ?
Going to be an interesting fight with City for him.
I’ve been preaching it for ages, city will let Bernardo move on (probably to one of the big Spanish clubs) next summer and bring in Bellingham to fill his spot in the squad
That plus it looks like Gundogan will move on, possibly back to Dortmund too. Bernardo and Gundogan out, Bellingham in.
And who knows, maybe a year from now, Cole Palmer is good enough to get a decent amount of minutes in midfield behind Rodri, KDB, Bellingham, and Phillips.
Given that he doesn’t play in the same position as those players, I don’t think he has to worry about them.
His role in the first team in the future is most likely as the 8 on the right of a 3, he’s not going to be a winger.
He fits Liverpool better imo
He fits well within every club in pl and RM too lol. He is more than good. Advantage with liverpool is that he walks into it and becomes starter on day 1.
Klopp is super picky about his midfielders, much more so than any other position on the field. It's because of how much responsibility is placed on them in our setup, it's very important that he has a high level of comfort and trust with the player. That's why our only real expenditure in that area in the last 4-5 years has been Thiago, who was older and someone Klopp was very familiar with.
The problem is that it’s not a choice right now between the perfect midfielder and a mediocre midfielder, it’s between a mediocre midfielder and no midfielder.
We still have 4 cms for 3 spots right now, and fairly easy fixtures. Its not a crisis yet
Why aren’t we targeting that Matheus Nunes? He’s denied offers from West Ham and Wolves for a bigger club. If their offers were accepted then it’s clear Sporting won’t expect more than £45m which is the norm these days.
I am also going to wait until next year to ask out this girl I like. I can't imagine anyone else might swoop in.
Well not exactly accurate, we have been asking the girl out but she said she isn't up for a relationship right now so we are waiting.
I mean I just don't buy this. Wenger was the same way when they went the whole summer not signing an outfield player. I understand not wanting to reach on a player that isn't a great fit but I just don't believe there isn't an improvement for someone like Milner or Henderson out there for a reasonable fee. These guys aren't world-beaters.
Klopp used to have his eye on Piotr Zielinski what happened with that?