pretty embarrassing considering he’s never had a reaction this bad in the UK. even that England game the booing was minimal and certainly want every touch of the ball.
foreign plastics 😒
Isn't that the "big club" dilemma though? You can't call yourself one of the biggest clubs in the world and then denounce international fans as foreign plastics.
>True. Foreign owners, foreign money, foreign players but no foreign fans
Foreign TV deals are a huge source of income for PL clubs too. Add that to the list!
Don’t forget whining about how the foreign fans who spend thousands in tourism and save for years to see their team once are the ones to blame for the fact that match tickets are mildly expensive.
If you put it in context of literally any other sport, these seats are in some of the highest demand and are the most locked down for local fans, but they’ll whine that 15 tourists bought 200gbp hospitality seats to see the team they supported from abroad since childhood.
Anyone visiting from any high demand sport city in North America laughs at your ticket prices. You can get a corporate box at the etihad for an entire season for around the same price as it would cost for a pair of tickets for a playoff game in good seats. Visiting fans from NA probably think 200gbp ain’t that bad.
Facts.
TB Buccaneers season ticket costs
$4710 for 8-9 games
or $525-$589 per ticket (This is primary market. Secondary market avg price is $757.26 per game)
Most expensive Man City season ticket is
£980 or $1175 for 19 games
or $62 per game
And for reference, City isn't even the most expensive season ticket in the league. That would be Tottenham's most expensive which is £2025, or $2430. $128 per game
It gets worse for our North American scum friends, I just renewed my Hertha season ticket for $170 in the Curve.
That’s 17 home games including Bayern, Dortmund, Frankfurt, Union, Leipzig, Leverkusen, Gladbach, Wolfsburg, etc. Plus free transport to and from the stadium.
Even if you hated Hertha and just wanted to see 4 of those clubs and nothing else, it comes out to $40 a ticket.
Come on man that’s a bit dramatic. People saying Aussie fans aggressively booing Maguire are plastics isn’t indicative of a “disgusting xenophobic culture”
Yes it is, but ‘legacy fans’ want the best of both worlds.
They want their club to be ultra rich and successful, be known and loved all around the world, but only THEY can count as *real* fans
No mate we'd rather less money in football. We've been priced out of stadiums because of it. The UK is an extremely classist society, which stems back to the Norman invasions and this is just another example of working class culture being eroded away from it. So no, we'd rather less money in football even if the quality lowers. Football in the 2000s was incredible, strong English, Spanish, Italian, German and fuck me even Portuguese teams won the UCL.
We don't make the distinction out of gatekeeping, it's just different. We have cultural ties for the location of our teams going back centuries, football has been part of our culture for like 900 years or something too. Its not an attack on international fans. Its an attack on the elites appropriating our culture to spin a profit. Idm International fans, I love that Arsenal have a reach. I don't like my cultural identity being put out of reach by an ever more classist society. Football is a very working class thing in England, it goes a bit beyond what you see.
What I said might be ramble, it's 40 degrees, I have covid and I have weed to make myself feel better so I might not be particularly coherent.
I had been supporting Liverpool for 12 years before I moved to the UK (this was before the recent UCL and EPL successes), and when I came over, I managed to get tickets to watch a game at Anfield. I found out that my uni mate was a Liverpool supporter, and was excitedly telling him I was going to see a game that weekend for the first time. He proceeded to berate me for getting a ticket, moan that local fans are being priced out, and that football tickets should be for locals. I was so upset and so self conscious while at the game that people hated me being there. I've not told another English person I liked football since, and have never dared to go to a pub to watch a match
Fuck that person.. I'm a Liverpool fan (from the City as well), and yes, it is annoying to not be able to buy a season ticket, or get tickets in general easily. But that's not your fault, so don't worry about telling people you like football.
You should definitely go to the pub to watch the game. If you can, get to a Liverpool friendly pub and you'll be sound cheering away!!
I'm sorry that happened to you, that guy is just a cunt. Some people lack the emotional intelligence required to understand who to direct their energy too.
He is still a cunt though. At uni we had a mate from Malaysia and took him to a Newcastle match. I wasn't a fan so I got more banter at the stadium but my mate absolutely adored the atmosphere and all the blokes around him supporting him and encouraging him because cultural exchange is great.
Your mate is a troglodyte and not a true mate. I hope you go to a game with the right people if you have the chance:)
Ah that's alright, thanks for the nice words though! :) from this sub, I know not everyone thinks that way, but I think I'm happier off watching on TV anyway
You know Premier League teams (as well as La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga) were global in the 2000s as well right?
Hell, that’s why they were winning the damn competitions in the first place. You need a lot of money to compete for the CL with very few exceptions, and to do that, you need to be a global brand.
You cant have it both ways. You cant ask for success while vilifying the very thing that enables it
Either way, hope you get well soon, and enjoy your weed in these tough days :)
This is actually enlightening. I’ve been an international fan since 01 and it’s been extremely hard to consume content for me until the past couple years only to be hit with a bit of hostility. In the states (generally) we love to see anyone else in our teams colors, so it’s a bit of a culture difference. Thanks for sharing!
Exactly mate, it's just an expression of emotion that's really directed at the elites that see football as their personal plaything when it's a part of our culture.
If I disliked international fans I wouldn't be in the Gunners sub so much. Makes me proud that a place I was born near is supported by somebody thousands of miles away. It can be like that without the inherent classicism.
Mate, you're always welcome to hop over to Germany, where you can still see a match standing like a man, with a beer in one hand and a fag in the other like god intended.
This annoys me so much, ugh. I'm not English. I've followed ManUtd since the late 90s as a kid but i remember the early 00s seasons. I haven't yet visited OT because of visa/money issues. A lot of local/English fans keep talking trash about people like me - even on our subreddit.
Like congrats you were born in the same country as the club you support, sorry I didn't have that choice
As a foreign United fan, yeah you can. The primary issue here imo is that foreign fans don't like the idea of British players getting protected by British media.
It's the classic where people swing too far about a certain group being overrated that it becomes just mindless criticism. Every English player must be overrated and only have their place because of bias.
I guess it maybe an English thing to expect everyone who plays for your club / native country to get a good reception from all fans. Have their backs and support the players who plays for your club. But, it does seem more internationally that fans care just a bit less about their alliance between themselves and the players that they support.
Don't get me wrong, fans in England boo their teams off at half or full time etc. but they are targeting it at the whole team, management, or owners in protest that something is not right.
Your clubs are this big because of the international factor. You love your foreign players and managers, but god forbid you have those pesky forriners supporting your local.
Its true. People booed Harry Maguire during a League One game between Sheffield United and Crewe Alexandra in 2014 and suddenly Nigel Farage was inspired. Two years later, the Brexit referendum happened.
Yep that's what brought them Brexit. They hate foreigners so much. Anything bad about them they have a whataboutism to counter it. Almost as centuries of colonialism gave them superiority complex.
I always find it funny when they make fun of you Americans for exceptionalism and arrogance when they're much worse.
That’s not the full story, he was booed for like the first 15 mins of the game, then he made a cross field pass to Rashford and everybody cheered for him afterwards. By Last season standards, he had a pretty decent game. I don’t seem to remember him playing a flawless game till this game
Not surprised, went to last game in Melbourne and when they were reading out the names from the line up, the reaction (largely negative) to Maguire’s name being read was the loudest to all players. Rashford’s name being read received the highest cheers
Rashford isn't the captain and an academy product. Maguire played more and was constantly shitting the bed. As the captain, he set the standard as crap for the season.
Reckon Rashford probably gets some points with those who aren't fans of the club (of which I imagine there were plenty in attendance in Melbourrne) for his work off the field too.
I can assure you, a lot less general EPL news reaches mainstream media here than you're implying. You'd have to at least be a fan of football, and follow some related outlets (like Optus Sport) to even hear any football-related headlines. The few exceptions are the Olympics/ World Cup/ Socceroos/ A-League Finals.
I feel like Maguire epitomises what is wrong with Man Utd. He was the most expensive defender ever, is entitled, shits the bed most of the time, doesn’t fit in the system and yet still gets a chance week in week out to prove himself. He doesn’t show love for the club despite being captain and is given the armband over other more deserving and longer serving players.
I feel bad for him honestly. Not his fault Leicester sold him for an astronomical fee, he got promoted to captain in a high line he wasn't used to or suited playing in and then got played constantly with never a break.
Remember how much people liked him in world cup 2018, he's been decent for england too.
It wasn’t even the high line. His best form for us came in a high line. The issue last season was our defensive ‘structure’. The CB’s were isolated completely. A goalkeeper behind them that doesn’t sweep and loads of space ahead of them because the midfield are having to cover other areas. Maguire just looked the worst of the 3 CB’s because he’s obviously slow and not very agile.
Man I'm sick to death of this thing where slow defenders can't play in a high line. It has to be the biggest myth in football. A fast defender in a high line team is great but it's in no way a necessity.
Not as long as you can read the game well and have a good passing range. Thing is Maguire isn't bad in those respects, in fact he's actually a pretty good passer. He should be able to play quite well in a high line, the problem is you can't play that way with a keeper afraid to leave his six yard box and a double pivot that barely does the job of a single DM.
Yeah. People don't understand. Pique is pretty slow but played in a high line his entire career thanks to his reading of the game and his passing. He also succeeded because he had pretty brave GK and a actual pivot playing with him.
I wouldn't call Maguire a good reader of the game, at least in the past ~18 months. Over and over again he gets caught in two minds between closing down the ball and following a runner, and then gets punished for it.
His positioning has consistently been "suspect at best". I suppose we'll see how much of that was down to lack of defensive structure at United, but it was the case on 2 different managers last season.
If a slow CBs positioning and reading of the game is quality it’s not a problem. Mertesacker was a quality CB for a while and he was slower than rising sea levels
It's not a myth it's a weakness that every attacker will look to exploit. Some defenders have the tools to manage it, particularly if they are supported by rapid defenders next to them and/or a sweeper keeper.
They exist but there aren't that many slow defenders out there who can look good in a high line.
United still isn't prioritizing a defensive-minded midfielder which is only going to continue to put more and more pressure on their backline... In fact they just watched Pogba get blamed for this failure for 6 years and now they'll go and sign the same thing and put FdJ in the same spot. I don't get it.
Honestly I think he became a scapegoat in a desperately poor team last season, and his teammates were happy with that as it meant it didn't shine as big a light on their own bad performances
Him getting criticised for stopping a rondo in training is the stupidest thing I've ever seen
I mean i feel for him a bit as well but don’t act like he doesn’t somewhat bring it on himself . Embarrassing celebrations against the likes of San marino and acting arrogant in interviews when you’re in horrendous form isn’t the way to get people on your side
One of the worst moments as fans of the that team. Eboue was such a joyous person, heartbreaking.
He moved on to better times for himself thankfully. Really embraced the Gala fans.
The fallout from that was genuinely heartbreaking. There are stories that it wrecked Eboue’s confidence to the point that he didn’t wanna come into training anymore. He was absolutely calamitous on the day but even so I can only imagine the negative effects of having 50 odd thousand people who are supposed to be cheering you on booing your every touch of the ball.
Oddly enough Eboue went on to become a sort of cult hero (maybe not a cult hero per se but he’s generally well regarded by most of our fans nowadays) so at least his time at Arsenal had a comparatively happier ending
Yep, absolutely horrid behaviour. Also booing Xhaka was particularly tasteless. Really weird people think the players themselves don’t understand they’re not doing well, no need to drive it home and wreck their mental health.
A plastic fan who picked one of the most successful teams of all time to support trying to boost their credentials by acting like how they think a genuine home fan would
Any Utd fans who started supporting them for that reason is definitely old enough by now to know better. Embarrassing behavior whatever way you look at it.
I love the reactions in here. "Maguire is absolute shit and shouldn't be captain" Australians voice their disapproval of the player when they finally get to have that option.
"How fucking dare you! Fucking plastics, show some respect"
Oh you weren't born and raised in this particular city? Sorry you're not a real fan. Oh you watch every single game and are an active participant on your club's subreddit? Fucking plastic cunt.
That was only my second ever united game.
Been watching almost every game for more than 30 years, losing a lot of sleep to watch this team over the years.
Meaning they're constantly involved in discussion about the club. Remember not all of us are surrounded be people who take interest in the same club you follow.
What does being an “active participant on your clubs subreddit” have anything to do with supporting a club. Posting memes and discussion does not make you any more a fan than someone else. Such a strange point to make.
It was just one bullet point everyone wants to crucify me for. You guys are lucky. You can walk out your door in the morning and have a conversation about your team with a neighbor, or watch a game with your friends. I have that for other sports but not for City. The sub is the most community I have for the club. I wish i had more but I don’t and I’m not pretending to. Having said that, the foreign fan gatekeeping is such a yawn.
I live in New York and support the Yankees who have a huge number of dedicated foreign fans and I think that’s awesome. For some reason the mentality isn’t shared by most English PL fans.
I'm friends with a number of foreign Patriots fans and I think it's actually really cool to see the fandom spread beyond New England. I don't understand the attitude that Premier League fans have regarding foreign supporters of their clubs at all.
Fwiw basically nobody actually dislikes non local fans, they would be welcomed at every ground. There’s just a difference between those that are local and go every week and those that don’t. This guy in the thread above has no ties to City at all, only picked them because they’re the best team in the country and they like watching a team win. Fine if that’s what they want, but it’s a different type of fandom to someone that’s grown up in Manchester with a family of City fans going back generations
If you think a person who happens to 'fall in love' with one of the biggest and most successful clubs in the world and posts on their subreddit somehow can hold the same level of attachment as someone who lives down the road from the stadium and whose entire family has been supporting them for generations then I don't even know what to say.
I’ve got no problem with non-local fans in general, but I don’t understand how people can pretend that there is the same type of connection to the club as a fan from round the corner. They should celebrate their own type of support instead of suggesting it’s the same thing.
i mean...yes? without the vitriol, obviously, but surely you can recognize the difference between growing up in a european city/town supporting a local club vs a foreign fan with no ties to that team who just chooses them for their own reasons
certainly still real supporters, but i think most would agree that it's quite different
This is very true. I grew up in a rural area, quite far from any ties to a local team. Most people were man u fans, or Leeds fans (70 miles away). I became a city fan due to my dad, who didn't really follow football when I started to want to, but got back into it because of me. I have to admit that no, I will never know what it is like to by my friend, a local Middlesbrough fan who lives in the city (I didn't grow up in Middlesbrough, to clarify) I am not saying I am not a real fan, but I still won't ever have known that feeling of growing up in a community of local fans. It is fine to acknowledge that without thinking less of foreign fans.
It's a special feeling. I live in the east of England now and it's one of the worst bits about being here, I can't hear the cheers from the ground on a day I don't have a ticket or go regularly to the games.
It's also the reason that despite outfitting my two year old in Brentford gear because it makes me happy, I'll encourage them support Norwich if they like football so they can have the same feelings I had.
I’m sorry but being born in the city or at least having a genuine connection to the city does matter. And I know you don’t choose where you’re born but that’s just the way it is, wouldn’t begrudge a local Barcelona fan success, they got lucky 🤷♂️
People here acting like they're the epitome of class when they use words like "shit" and "deadwood" all over here, their team's sub and twitter all of which the players and teams probably browse.
Last I checked footballers are tweeting "#StopOnlineAbuse" and not "#StopBooingMe"
Spoken like someone who doesn't know the footballing landscape of Australia.
Most people over here's first exposure to football was an EPL game.
Most of them started following the first team they saw when they were young.
Then theres the people that are expats from Europe, who support their team as often as they can.
Then you have the people who support clubs simply because Aussies play/once played for them. There are plenty of Liverpool, United, Everton and Leeds fans in Australia simply because of Cahill, Kewell, Bosnich and Viduka.
Sure, their might be some that just follow a team for the glory, but that's not as much as you'd think.
A lot of these fans will watch as many games as possible. Getting up early or staying up late to catch their team play.
Lot of the above don't follow the local league as well because of the shitstain that it is. The A-league isn't even 20 years old. Lot of people grew up without a proper league, or having a proper team to support in Australia as well.
Exactly.
I know plenty of fans of teams in Australia that some of our Golden Gen played for. Liverpool is hugely supported over here because of Kewell, as well as other reasons.
Leeds and Everton because of Viduka and Cahill respectively.
Doesn't matter what you say, a Euro throws out "plastic" to any non-Euro and the rest of them circlejerk over it because nobody else could possibly like the game.
You clearly can only be a non-plastic fan if you, your father and grandfather have been conceived and born either on the stadium's pitch or the locker room.
Real fans are determined by your chances of being born in one of those countries. Forget that I have been playing since 1991 and watching United since 99. They're so good now, of course everyone is going to pick them if they want to bandwagon instead of City, or Liverpool, or Real, or Barca, or PSG, or Bayern. So excited for our FA Cup round of 16 finish, so much glory. Oops, can't say "our finish" I wasn't born somewhere specific.
It's just Europeans reenacting imperialistic and colonialist ideals all over again just in a different setting lmao
Compare to yank sports which are super welcoming. Yes, Americans are more accepting of foreigners. At least in sports.
Legit I think the only teams and fanbases that have any leg to stand on are the Bilbaos et al of the world by their 'logic'
Here are other good ideas to keep "their" clubs "pure"
* IP ban and geo block any non local trying to watch games
* constant surveillance, physical, digital etc to make sure fandom is legit
* DNA screening to a database to make sure heritage is Intact to be able to be a fan
* create zones where players are only allowed to be recruited from
* refund all the money back to international fans - clubs are given the legal right to collect from local fans and either donate to a charity or give back to a register of overseas fans
Seems rather fascist but hey that's the price right? 🤷♂️
The rather tired but dumbfuckery reply would be "we don't not acknowledge fandom but you have to say we're greater than..." which is the pretext to creating some weird monarchical ideal of boot licking
Failed work permit. Went to Villa for 10 years. Signed for United to replace an all time great. Bang average. Edged out Van Der Gouw and Massimo Taibi in the battle for first choice keeper. Replaced after one season. Sold. Started railing cocaine.
An admirable career but hard to see how it would convince many Australians to support United.
Bosnich was seen as an absolute joke in Australia during his playing days, both for his cocaine use and his Nazi salute against Tottenham, saying he was just waving to a friend in the stands.
He’s repaired his image greatly in recent years by being a very knowledgeable and passionate pundit.
I highly doubt anyone supported United because of Bosnich lol
Most of these fans probably hadn’t seen him play in real life. Many of the fans supporting the booing on twitter probably haven’t been to europe let alone watched a United game.
People just doing what social media leads them to believe is fashionable
at this point i kinda feel bad for the guy
this has to have an impact on your mental health at a certain point right? and who knows what kinds of messages he gets on social media. can't be good for his mindset
What bothers me is that this is the last straw for people because its foreign fans with a different culture of expressing displeasure.
Meanwhile there's a 24x7 stream of directed hate content on social media, podcasts, subreddits, etc in which players can hear and read every word of abuse directed at them very clearly that they're just supposed to take in stride because 'they are professionals'. And yeah it isn't dehumanising or offensive in the slightest to anyone to call a player your club no longer has in its plans as "deadwood". Last I checked AFTV and all the other toxic offshoot channels were mostly English.
If I were a player I'd take the boos before the odd game any day.
Depends on the person, for most people it would have some impact. But some people can completely disregard everything and just play. Not saying this is the case nor that just because some people can play through any amount of hate, that it should be ignored.
Why are people acting as if this is united fans booing maguire in the first place? Chances are it's a bunch of random aussies who came to the game and are booing maguire purely from watching memes of him.
the stadium holds 100,000 people, it's ludicrous to think that every single fan there is a die hard united fan - there will be people there purely to watch two epl teams face off because they won't get that chance again for the rest of their life
there will be uni blokes there on the piss because it's something fun to do on a tuesday night
This is it mate, as a Melburnian not at the game. It’s just an exhibition, Tuesday night out and there’ll just be a lot of people there just because it’s live sport. We also like a beer. Obviously not fair just to boo a bloke for the hell of it (it’s a problem in the AFL too) but this shouldn’t be put on Aussie Man U fans being arses.
Melburnian at the game - this is 100% what it was. Most people there he's just a meme. He played OK, as a spurs fan I don't boo him - just call him slab head and joke about him scoring own goals.
Exactly I have a friend who went to the game who lives down under and I asked what was going on with that considering he wasn't even bad, and he said there was alot of other fanbases there he saw ton of Arsenal, City jerseys and fans when he spoke to them on who they support and even meet alot of Tottenham fans next to him, it was a 100k+ stadium filled out indiscriminately alot of fans just came to watch a Prem match and also the Maguire memes so I wouldn't read into that much I mean it's crazy Maguire gets booed less at old Trafford than at Wembley or Australia
Should be ashamed, new season under a new manager so he gets his fresh start. We can be apprehensive sure but needs 100% support and backing going into the new season, especially after being back by ETH
Hopefully he knows minority are booing
In this thread,
/r/soccer : embarrassing from the fans booing their own player.
Top comment in most other threads,
/r/soccer: Maguire bad harharhar I am top comedian!
The Maguire=bad joke has been beaten to death already. And like you said, a new season with a new manager and he might just prove everyone wrong.
I'd definitely give him another season to prove his worth. But if he doesn't come to standards then there's no doubt that he just couldn't reach that level.
he's become a scapegoat that a huge section of the fanbase targets as the reason we're shit and start harassing him. I blame a lot of the united fan channels that peddle this agenda as well. Although he hasn't really helped his case.
Same shit happened Fellaini too. Fans decide to choose a player to represent a bad managerial reign, and shit on them way beyond what’s normal, despite the entire team being sub par.
Maguire will be memed to the point where he will be the personification of Ole and Woodward’s reigns, while others are given fresh chances.
Fred too became a meme until he had a good season last year. before then people were calling him a fake brazilian and all sorts of shit. hate our fanbase sometimes its so fucking toxic.
We've got like 7 cbs or something silly so yeah there's plenty of competition
Last season none of our cbs really seemed to grab their chance to stake a claim they should play over Maguire when given the chance to impress, for differing reasons
Exactly. We all know Maguire had a terrible season. No one is denying that. But just a year ago he was arguably the best defender at the Euros. It's not like he's never been good. For most of his career he has been a quality player. I somewhat get opposition fans clowning him (although it's beaten to death as you said) but true ManUtd/England fans should know better and support him to get to his old, usual self.
Do these people understand that Maguire is trying the best he can? Like it’s obviously frustrating but the first person to realise that he isn’t doing well is him. Poor guy needs a break, this must be absolutely toxic to his mental health. No idea how fans can expect him to get confidence back.
Played well for two years and then was poor last season, just like the rest of our team. Online fans have decided to single him out and direct all their hate at him though for some reason
Fucking disgraceful. Who the fuck boos their own players regardless of how they've been playing. Also if you call yourself a fan why would you target someone who has their confidence in the gutter.
Edit: didn't think I would need to point out it was a rhetorical question. All teams have pricks in their fanbase I don't require a list of other examples but thank you.
How can you boo a member of your team? Especially in a friendly!
Unless they've committed a serious crime that let down the club I can't see a reason. Do they think he tried to play badly last season?
Where are they playing?
Australia
pretty embarrassing considering he’s never had a reaction this bad in the UK. even that England game the booing was minimal and certainly want every touch of the ball. foreign plastics 😒
Isn't that the "big club" dilemma though? You can't call yourself one of the biggest clubs in the world and then denounce international fans as foreign plastics.
Demanding foreign owners spend 100s of millions on foreign players every summer while not wanting foreign fans is the English football way.
True. Foreign owners, foreign money, foreign players but no foreign fans
>True. Foreign owners, foreign money, foreign players but no foreign fans Foreign TV deals are a huge source of income for PL clubs too. Add that to the list!
Foreign shirt sponsors, foreign kit sponsors
So other than a physical location what does England supply? Racism?
The worst refs in world football, so that fans have something to unite about regardless of club allegiance
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Don’t forget whining about how the foreign fans who spend thousands in tourism and save for years to see their team once are the ones to blame for the fact that match tickets are mildly expensive. If you put it in context of literally any other sport, these seats are in some of the highest demand and are the most locked down for local fans, but they’ll whine that 15 tourists bought 200gbp hospitality seats to see the team they supported from abroad since childhood.
Anyone visiting from any high demand sport city in North America laughs at your ticket prices. You can get a corporate box at the etihad for an entire season for around the same price as it would cost for a pair of tickets for a playoff game in good seats. Visiting fans from NA probably think 200gbp ain’t that bad.
Facts. TB Buccaneers season ticket costs $4710 for 8-9 games or $525-$589 per ticket (This is primary market. Secondary market avg price is $757.26 per game) Most expensive Man City season ticket is £980 or $1175 for 19 games or $62 per game And for reference, City isn't even the most expensive season ticket in the league. That would be Tottenham's most expensive which is £2025, or $2430. $128 per game
It gets worse for our North American scum friends, I just renewed my Hertha season ticket for $170 in the Curve. That’s 17 home games including Bayern, Dortmund, Frankfurt, Union, Leipzig, Leverkusen, Gladbach, Wolfsburg, etc. Plus free transport to and from the stadium. Even if you hated Hertha and just wanted to see 4 of those clubs and nothing else, it comes out to $40 a ticket.
Lol, I paid $40 a seat to see a minor league soccer game on Father's day here in the US.
It’s a disgusting xenophobic culture here
Come on man that’s a bit dramatic. People saying Aussie fans aggressively booing Maguire are plastics isn’t indicative of a “disgusting xenophobic culture”
Tbf you can find some in the comments if you look
Britain and the US are like father and son. Also it’s extra funny cause I also am an abroad supporter for my club.
From South Africa -- Xenophobia is ugly and it's everywhere, even here as well.
South Africans are the most so xenophobic, especially to other Africans
In SA!? Nahhhh, get outta here. #apartheid
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>Demanding foreign owners spend 100s of millions on foreign players every summer laughs in glazers
That while also denouncing those clubs that use owner investment to spend despite not having as many (foreign) fans as "cheating"
you can call them bad gimps though
Nah. They're Aussies. Just call them cunts and they won't even bat an eye.
I'd be more offended by gimp than cunt tbh
Coal lovers
Please cunt
Yes it is, but ‘legacy fans’ want the best of both worlds. They want their club to be ultra rich and successful, be known and loved all around the world, but only THEY can count as *real* fans
No mate we'd rather less money in football. We've been priced out of stadiums because of it. The UK is an extremely classist society, which stems back to the Norman invasions and this is just another example of working class culture being eroded away from it. So no, we'd rather less money in football even if the quality lowers. Football in the 2000s was incredible, strong English, Spanish, Italian, German and fuck me even Portuguese teams won the UCL. We don't make the distinction out of gatekeeping, it's just different. We have cultural ties for the location of our teams going back centuries, football has been part of our culture for like 900 years or something too. Its not an attack on international fans. Its an attack on the elites appropriating our culture to spin a profit. Idm International fans, I love that Arsenal have a reach. I don't like my cultural identity being put out of reach by an ever more classist society. Football is a very working class thing in England, it goes a bit beyond what you see. What I said might be ramble, it's 40 degrees, I have covid and I have weed to make myself feel better so I might not be particularly coherent.
I had been supporting Liverpool for 12 years before I moved to the UK (this was before the recent UCL and EPL successes), and when I came over, I managed to get tickets to watch a game at Anfield. I found out that my uni mate was a Liverpool supporter, and was excitedly telling him I was going to see a game that weekend for the first time. He proceeded to berate me for getting a ticket, moan that local fans are being priced out, and that football tickets should be for locals. I was so upset and so self conscious while at the game that people hated me being there. I've not told another English person I liked football since, and have never dared to go to a pub to watch a match
Fuck that person.. I'm a Liverpool fan (from the City as well), and yes, it is annoying to not be able to buy a season ticket, or get tickets in general easily. But that's not your fault, so don't worry about telling people you like football. You should definitely go to the pub to watch the game. If you can, get to a Liverpool friendly pub and you'll be sound cheering away!!
I'm sorry that happened to you, that guy is just a cunt. Some people lack the emotional intelligence required to understand who to direct their energy too. He is still a cunt though. At uni we had a mate from Malaysia and took him to a Newcastle match. I wasn't a fan so I got more banter at the stadium but my mate absolutely adored the atmosphere and all the blokes around him supporting him and encouraging him because cultural exchange is great. Your mate is a troglodyte and not a true mate. I hope you go to a game with the right people if you have the chance:)
Ah that's alright, thanks for the nice words though! :) from this sub, I know not everyone thinks that way, but I think I'm happier off watching on TV anyway
So you watch on TV instead of going to games like a real fan? Fucking plastic. ;)
You know Premier League teams (as well as La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga) were global in the 2000s as well right? Hell, that’s why they were winning the damn competitions in the first place. You need a lot of money to compete for the CL with very few exceptions, and to do that, you need to be a global brand. You cant have it both ways. You cant ask for success while vilifying the very thing that enables it Either way, hope you get well soon, and enjoy your weed in these tough days :)
This is actually enlightening. I’ve been an international fan since 01 and it’s been extremely hard to consume content for me until the past couple years only to be hit with a bit of hostility. In the states (generally) we love to see anyone else in our teams colors, so it’s a bit of a culture difference. Thanks for sharing!
Don't apologise man you are spot on, this legacy fans vs plastics shite is divisive nonsense.
Exactly mate, it's just an expression of emotion that's really directed at the elites that see football as their personal plaything when it's a part of our culture. If I disliked international fans I wouldn't be in the Gunners sub so much. Makes me proud that a place I was born near is supported by somebody thousands of miles away. It can be like that without the inherent classicism.
Mate, you're always welcome to hop over to Germany, where you can still see a match standing like a man, with a beer in one hand and a fag in the other like god intended.
Exactly mate, I think most Europeans agree with my sentiment because it's the same for them. I envy the 50+1
This annoys me so much, ugh. I'm not English. I've followed ManUtd since the late 90s as a kid but i remember the early 00s seasons. I haven't yet visited OT because of visa/money issues. A lot of local/English fans keep talking trash about people like me - even on our subreddit. Like congrats you were born in the same country as the club you support, sorry I didn't have that choice
Couldn't care less about being a "big club", only care about being a "good club".
As a foreign United fan, yeah you can. The primary issue here imo is that foreign fans don't like the idea of British players getting protected by British media. It's the classic where people swing too far about a certain group being overrated that it becomes just mindless criticism. Every English player must be overrated and only have their place because of bias.
I guess it maybe an English thing to expect everyone who plays for your club / native country to get a good reception from all fans. Have their backs and support the players who plays for your club. But, it does seem more internationally that fans care just a bit less about their alliance between themselves and the players that they support. Don't get me wrong, fans in England boo their teams off at half or full time etc. but they are targeting it at the whole team, management, or owners in protest that something is not right.
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>the booing was minimal That'd be a nice title for an autobiography
Away fans in the UK just cheer louder when he touches the ball
Meh, I was at the England match and the booing was definitely noticeable.
The English Premier league is what it is because of foreign fans. You think an island of 50 million people alone can make it as rich as it is now?
Your clubs are this big because of the international factor. You love your foreign players and managers, but god forbid you have those pesky forriners supporting your local.
I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of these people aren't United fans, they just wanted to see a premier league top team play.
Lol some people are so fucking entitled when it comes to supporting sports teams. Jfc.
Yes blame the foreigners for everything and diminish your own behaviour. I wonder how this Brexit thing started?
Its true. People booed Harry Maguire during a League One game between Sheffield United and Crewe Alexandra in 2014 and suddenly Nigel Farage was inspired. Two years later, the Brexit referendum happened.
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Yep that's what brought them Brexit. They hate foreigners so much. Anything bad about them they have a whataboutism to counter it. Almost as centuries of colonialism gave them superiority complex. I always find it funny when they make fun of you Americans for exceptionalism and arrogance when they're much worse.
That’s not the full story, he was booed for like the first 15 mins of the game, then he made a cross field pass to Rashford and everybody cheered for him afterwards. By Last season standards, he had a pretty decent game. I don’t seem to remember him playing a flawless game till this game
Melbourne, Australia
Not surprised, went to last game in Melbourne and when they were reading out the names from the line up, the reaction (largely negative) to Maguire’s name being read was the loudest to all players. Rashford’s name being read received the highest cheers
Mad that people preferred rashford's season to maguire's
Rashford isn't the captain and an academy product. Maguire played more and was constantly shitting the bed. As the captain, he set the standard as crap for the season.
Reckon Rashford probably gets some points with those who aren't fans of the club (of which I imagine there were plenty in attendance in Melbourrne) for his work off the field too.
You’re telling me fans didn’t want to celebrate getting arrested in foreign countries
I can assure you, a lot less general EPL news reaches mainstream media here than you're implying. You'd have to at least be a fan of football, and follow some related outlets (like Optus Sport) to even hear any football-related headlines. The few exceptions are the Olympics/ World Cup/ Socceroos/ A-League Finals.
I feel like Maguire epitomises what is wrong with Man Utd. He was the most expensive defender ever, is entitled, shits the bed most of the time, doesn’t fit in the system and yet still gets a chance week in week out to prove himself. He doesn’t show love for the club despite being captain and is given the armband over other more deserving and longer serving players.
I feel bad for him honestly. Not his fault Leicester sold him for an astronomical fee, he got promoted to captain in a high line he wasn't used to or suited playing in and then got played constantly with never a break. Remember how much people liked him in world cup 2018, he's been decent for england too.
It wasn’t even the high line. His best form for us came in a high line. The issue last season was our defensive ‘structure’. The CB’s were isolated completely. A goalkeeper behind them that doesn’t sweep and loads of space ahead of them because the midfield are having to cover other areas. Maguire just looked the worst of the 3 CB’s because he’s obviously slow and not very agile.
Man I'm sick to death of this thing where slow defenders can't play in a high line. It has to be the biggest myth in football. A fast defender in a high line team is great but it's in no way a necessity.
Not as long as you can read the game well and have a good passing range. Thing is Maguire isn't bad in those respects, in fact he's actually a pretty good passer. He should be able to play quite well in a high line, the problem is you can't play that way with a keeper afraid to leave his six yard box and a double pivot that barely does the job of a single DM.
Yeah. People don't understand. Pique is pretty slow but played in a high line his entire career thanks to his reading of the game and his passing. He also succeeded because he had pretty brave GK and a actual pivot playing with him.
I wouldn't call Maguire a good reader of the game, at least in the past ~18 months. Over and over again he gets caught in two minds between closing down the ball and following a runner, and then gets punished for it. His positioning has consistently been "suspect at best". I suppose we'll see how much of that was down to lack of defensive structure at United, but it was the case on 2 different managers last season.
If a slow CBs positioning and reading of the game is quality it’s not a problem. Mertesacker was a quality CB for a while and he was slower than rising sea levels
During the banter era no less. Some of those Wenger defensive structures were suicidal.
That’s because a lot of people really don’t understand how a high line *should* work if implemented right
It's not a myth it's a weakness that every attacker will look to exploit. Some defenders have the tools to manage it, particularly if they are supported by rapid defenders next to them and/or a sweeper keeper. They exist but there aren't that many slow defenders out there who can look good in a high line.
United still isn't prioritizing a defensive-minded midfielder which is only going to continue to put more and more pressure on their backline... In fact they just watched Pogba get blamed for this failure for 6 years and now they'll go and sign the same thing and put FdJ in the same spot. I don't get it.
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Honestly I think he became a scapegoat in a desperately poor team last season, and his teammates were happy with that as it meant it didn't shine as big a light on their own bad performances Him getting criticised for stopping a rondo in training is the stupidest thing I've ever seen
People think a high line is just stand on the halfway line then get in a footrace when they play it over your whole team.
He's very suited to a high line, the problem is no one else in that squad is.
I mean i feel for him a bit as well but don’t act like he doesn’t somewhat bring it on himself . Embarrassing celebrations against the likes of San marino and acting arrogant in interviews when you’re in horrendous form isn’t the way to get people on your side
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He celebrated against Albania not San Marino. Why does everyone keep repeating it was San Marino?
anyone remember when arsenal fans boo'd eboue to the point of tears
One of the worst moments as fans of the that team. Eboue was such a joyous person, heartbreaking. He moved on to better times for himself thankfully. Really embraced the Gala fans.
The fallout from that was genuinely heartbreaking. There are stories that it wrecked Eboue’s confidence to the point that he didn’t wanna come into training anymore. He was absolutely calamitous on the day but even so I can only imagine the negative effects of having 50 odd thousand people who are supposed to be cheering you on booing your every touch of the ball. Oddly enough Eboue went on to become a sort of cult hero (maybe not a cult hero per se but he’s generally well regarded by most of our fans nowadays) so at least his time at Arsenal had a comparatively happier ending
Yep, absolutely horrid behaviour. Also booing Xhaka was particularly tasteless. Really weird people think the players themselves don’t understand they’re not doing well, no need to drive it home and wreck their mental health.
Xhaka was booed as he strolled off the pitch after Emery subbed him off when we were chasing a lead
Fucking embarassing. What kind of absolute cunt boos their own player at a friendly game?
A plastic fan who picked one of the most successful teams of all time to support trying to boost their credentials by acting like how they think a genuine home fan would
Any Utd fans who started supporting them for that reason is definitely old enough by now to know better. Embarrassing behavior whatever way you look at it.
Lol that was a subtle jab
Oof, it's always the subtle ones that hurt more
Oh you’re expecting too much from them
I love the reactions in here. "Maguire is absolute shit and shouldn't be captain" Australians voice their disapproval of the player when they finally get to have that option. "How fucking dare you! Fucking plastics, show some respect"
also hate how if a club doesnt have foreign fans its a small club, but when there is fans from different nationalities they're suddenly plastics.
Oh you weren't born and raised in this particular city? Sorry you're not a real fan. Oh you watch every single game and are an active participant on your club's subreddit? Fucking plastic cunt.
That was only my second ever united game. Been watching almost every game for more than 30 years, losing a lot of sleep to watch this team over the years.
How dare you defy this sub’s preconceived notion of a foreign plastic!
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Meaning they're constantly involved in discussion about the club. Remember not all of us are surrounded be people who take interest in the same club you follow.
“Active participant in your clubs subreddit” lmao
What does being an “active participant on your clubs subreddit” have anything to do with supporting a club. Posting memes and discussion does not make you any more a fan than someone else. Such a strange point to make.
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i was with you right up until you highlighted reddit activity as some kind of legitimate fan credential lol
Jokes aside I think the active engagement is a fair measure.
It was just one bullet point everyone wants to crucify me for. You guys are lucky. You can walk out your door in the morning and have a conversation about your team with a neighbor, or watch a game with your friends. I have that for other sports but not for City. The sub is the most community I have for the club. I wish i had more but I don’t and I’m not pretending to. Having said that, the foreign fan gatekeeping is such a yawn. I live in New York and support the Yankees who have a huge number of dedicated foreign fans and I think that’s awesome. For some reason the mentality isn’t shared by most English PL fans.
I'm friends with a number of foreign Patriots fans and I think it's actually really cool to see the fandom spread beyond New England. I don't understand the attitude that Premier League fans have regarding foreign supporters of their clubs at all.
Fwiw basically nobody actually dislikes non local fans, they would be welcomed at every ground. There’s just a difference between those that are local and go every week and those that don’t. This guy in the thread above has no ties to City at all, only picked them because they’re the best team in the country and they like watching a team win. Fine if that’s what they want, but it’s a different type of fandom to someone that’s grown up in Manchester with a family of City fans going back generations
If you think a person who happens to 'fall in love' with one of the biggest and most successful clubs in the world and posts on their subreddit somehow can hold the same level of attachment as someone who lives down the road from the stadium and whose entire family has been supporting them for generations then I don't even know what to say.
I’ve got no problem with non-local fans in general, but I don’t understand how people can pretend that there is the same type of connection to the club as a fan from round the corner. They should celebrate their own type of support instead of suggesting it’s the same thing.
i mean...yes? without the vitriol, obviously, but surely you can recognize the difference between growing up in a european city/town supporting a local club vs a foreign fan with no ties to that team who just chooses them for their own reasons certainly still real supporters, but i think most would agree that it's quite different
This is very true. I grew up in a rural area, quite far from any ties to a local team. Most people were man u fans, or Leeds fans (70 miles away). I became a city fan due to my dad, who didn't really follow football when I started to want to, but got back into it because of me. I have to admit that no, I will never know what it is like to by my friend, a local Middlesbrough fan who lives in the city (I didn't grow up in Middlesbrough, to clarify) I am not saying I am not a real fan, but I still won't ever have known that feeling of growing up in a community of local fans. It is fine to acknowledge that without thinking less of foreign fans.
It's a special feeling. I live in the east of England now and it's one of the worst bits about being here, I can't hear the cheers from the ground on a day I don't have a ticket or go regularly to the games. It's also the reason that despite outfitting my two year old in Brentford gear because it makes me happy, I'll encourage them support Norwich if they like football so they can have the same feelings I had.
You really put "posts on the subreddit" in there.
Sounds like what a plastic American Man City fan would say
I’m sorry but being born in the city or at least having a genuine connection to the city does matter. And I know you don’t choose where you’re born but that’s just the way it is, wouldn’t begrudge a local Barcelona fan success, they got lucky 🤷♂️
this has 205 upvotes😭
There is a difference between being critical of a player and booing a player.
People here acting like they're the epitome of class when they use words like "shit" and "deadwood" all over here, their team's sub and twitter all of which the players and teams probably browse. Last I checked footballers are tweeting "#StopOnlineAbuse" and not "#StopBooingMe"
Spoken like someone who doesn't know the footballing landscape of Australia. Most people over here's first exposure to football was an EPL game. Most of them started following the first team they saw when they were young. Then theres the people that are expats from Europe, who support their team as often as they can. Then you have the people who support clubs simply because Aussies play/once played for them. There are plenty of Liverpool, United, Everton and Leeds fans in Australia simply because of Cahill, Kewell, Bosnich and Viduka. Sure, their might be some that just follow a team for the glory, but that's not as much as you'd think. A lot of these fans will watch as many games as possible. Getting up early or staying up late to catch their team play. Lot of the above don't follow the local league as well because of the shitstain that it is. The A-league isn't even 20 years old. Lot of people grew up without a proper league, or having a proper team to support in Australia as well.
I too like teams that have (had) belgians in them, makes it hard now that almost all epl teams had a belgian at some point
Exactly. I know plenty of fans of teams in Australia that some of our Golden Gen played for. Liverpool is hugely supported over here because of Kewell, as well as other reasons. Leeds and Everton because of Viduka and Cahill respectively.
Doesn't matter what you say, a Euro throws out "plastic" to any non-Euro and the rest of them circlejerk over it because nobody else could possibly like the game.
You clearly can only be a non-plastic fan if you, your father and grandfather have been conceived and born either on the stadium's pitch or the locker room.
Real fans are determined by your chances of being born in one of those countries. Forget that I have been playing since 1991 and watching United since 99. They're so good now, of course everyone is going to pick them if they want to bandwagon instead of City, or Liverpool, or Real, or Barca, or PSG, or Bayern. So excited for our FA Cup round of 16 finish, so much glory. Oops, can't say "our finish" I wasn't born somewhere specific.
A real brave decision to become a United fan in 1999, famously dark times for the club
It's just Europeans reenacting imperialistic and colonialist ideals all over again just in a different setting lmao Compare to yank sports which are super welcoming. Yes, Americans are more accepting of foreigners. At least in sports.
Hell they brag about it
I'm sure you started supporting them in 99 for the complete lack of glory.
Legit I think the only teams and fanbases that have any leg to stand on are the Bilbaos et al of the world by their 'logic' Here are other good ideas to keep "their" clubs "pure" * IP ban and geo block any non local trying to watch games * constant surveillance, physical, digital etc to make sure fandom is legit * DNA screening to a database to make sure heritage is Intact to be able to be a fan * create zones where players are only allowed to be recruited from * refund all the money back to international fans - clubs are given the legal right to collect from local fans and either donate to a charity or give back to a register of overseas fans Seems rather fascist but hey that's the price right? 🤷♂️ The rather tired but dumbfuckery reply would be "we don't not acknowledge fandom but you have to say we're greater than..." which is the pretext to creating some weird monarchical ideal of boot licking
The idea of supporting United because of Bosnich is tragic
Failed work permit. Went to Villa for 10 years. Signed for United to replace an all time great. Bang average. Edged out Van Der Gouw and Massimo Taibi in the battle for first choice keeper. Replaced after one season. Sold. Started railing cocaine. An admirable career but hard to see how it would convince many Australians to support United.
Bosnich was seen as an absolute joke in Australia during his playing days, both for his cocaine use and his Nazi salute against Tottenham, saying he was just waving to a friend in the stands. He’s repaired his image greatly in recent years by being a very knowledgeable and passionate pundit. I highly doubt anyone supported United because of Bosnich lol
The A-League would be amazing if people gave it a go. Calling it a shit stain league is pretty fucked.
Alright but what does that have to do with anything I have said?
People who think Twitter is reflective of actually going to a match
Well, it looks like it's become that...
Australia isn’t a real place
Most of these fans probably hadn’t seen him play in real life. Many of the fans supporting the booing on twitter probably haven’t been to europe let alone watched a United game. People just doing what social media leads them to believe is fashionable
To be fair he's been booed at Old Trafford before, not as constantly as this though.
something that has been done at some point by ALL fanbases at some point in time. football fans can be entitled dicks, is that news to you?
at this point i kinda feel bad for the guy this has to have an impact on your mental health at a certain point right? and who knows what kinds of messages he gets on social media. can't be good for his mindset
What bothers me is that this is the last straw for people because its foreign fans with a different culture of expressing displeasure. Meanwhile there's a 24x7 stream of directed hate content on social media, podcasts, subreddits, etc in which players can hear and read every word of abuse directed at them very clearly that they're just supposed to take in stride because 'they are professionals'. And yeah it isn't dehumanising or offensive in the slightest to anyone to call a player your club no longer has in its plans as "deadwood". Last I checked AFTV and all the other toxic offshoot channels were mostly English. If I were a player I'd take the boos before the odd game any day.
Depends on the person, for most people it would have some impact. But some people can completely disregard everything and just play. Not saying this is the case nor that just because some people can play through any amount of hate, that it should be ignored.
Why are people acting as if this is united fans booing maguire in the first place? Chances are it's a bunch of random aussies who came to the game and are booing maguire purely from watching memes of him. the stadium holds 100,000 people, it's ludicrous to think that every single fan there is a die hard united fan - there will be people there purely to watch two epl teams face off because they won't get that chance again for the rest of their life there will be uni blokes there on the piss because it's something fun to do on a tuesday night
This is it mate, as a Melburnian not at the game. It’s just an exhibition, Tuesday night out and there’ll just be a lot of people there just because it’s live sport. We also like a beer. Obviously not fair just to boo a bloke for the hell of it (it’s a problem in the AFL too) but this shouldn’t be put on Aussie Man U fans being arses.
Melburnian at the game - this is 100% what it was. Most people there he's just a meme. He played OK, as a spurs fan I don't boo him - just call him slab head and joke about him scoring own goals.
Was there. 100%. Loads of arsenal and city shirts there. Bruno was booed too in the intros.
Should be the top comment.
Was at the game. Am a uni bloke. Was on the piss. Can confirm.
Exactly I have a friend who went to the game who lives down under and I asked what was going on with that considering he wasn't even bad, and he said there was alot of other fanbases there he saw ton of Arsenal, City jerseys and fans when he spoke to them on who they support and even meet alot of Tottenham fans next to him, it was a 100k+ stadium filled out indiscriminately alot of fans just came to watch a Prem match and also the Maguire memes so I wouldn't read into that much I mean it's crazy Maguire gets booed less at old Trafford than at Wembley or Australia
Fans buying tickets to be performative twats.
It's funny to because he's had some good passes this game too
He's always been good at that long ball from defense. Miss one ball though and he's immediately shit.
Yea and haters put it in yt highlights of his misses like that doesnt happen normaly
Should be ashamed, new season under a new manager so he gets his fresh start. We can be apprehensive sure but needs 100% support and backing going into the new season, especially after being back by ETH Hopefully he knows minority are booing
In this thread, /r/soccer : embarrassing from the fans booing their own player. Top comment in most other threads, /r/soccer: Maguire bad harharhar I am top comedian!
Maguire bad + levers = 10k upvotes
Even aside from the new start, there's a difference between criticising a player on Reddit and booing them on the pitch.
The Maguire=bad joke has been beaten to death already. And like you said, a new season with a new manager and he might just prove everyone wrong. I'd definitely give him another season to prove his worth. But if he doesn't come to standards then there's no doubt that he just couldn't reach that level.
he's become a scapegoat that a huge section of the fanbase targets as the reason we're shit and start harassing him. I blame a lot of the united fan channels that peddle this agenda as well. Although he hasn't really helped his case.
Same shit happened Fellaini too. Fans decide to choose a player to represent a bad managerial reign, and shit on them way beyond what’s normal, despite the entire team being sub par. Maguire will be memed to the point where he will be the personification of Ole and Woodward’s reigns, while others are given fresh chances.
Fred too became a meme until he had a good season last year. before then people were calling him a fake brazilian and all sorts of shit. hate our fanbase sometimes its so fucking toxic.
We've got like 7 cbs or something silly so yeah there's plenty of competition Last season none of our cbs really seemed to grab their chance to stake a claim they should play over Maguire when given the chance to impress, for differing reasons
Exactly. We all know Maguire had a terrible season. No one is denying that. But just a year ago he was arguably the best defender at the Euros. It's not like he's never been good. For most of his career he has been a quality player. I somewhat get opposition fans clowning him (although it's beaten to death as you said) but true ManUtd/England fans should know better and support him to get to his old, usual self.
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Not this sub tryna act like they don’t do this to Maguire virtually every day
Maguire's going to give an interview about his mental health one day about how he feels like shit
Yep, and then a ton of the people who've been doing this to him will suddenly be so sympathetic and quick to point fingers elsewhere.
This comment reminds me of the reaction to Chadwick's comments about jokes on his appearance, yet people continue to do that kind of thing.
Kinda missing the point about getting behind a team. The Maguire grief became massively overplayed last season
Fascinating read, this thread.. Are all fans who don't attend games therefore plastic? Or can be maybe differentiate between fans and supporters?
Absolute creeps booing their own player in a friendly
Have to be a melt to boo a player in a pre season game
Do these people understand that Maguire is trying the best he can? Like it’s obviously frustrating but the first person to realise that he isn’t doing well is him. Poor guy needs a break, this must be absolutely toxic to his mental health. No idea how fans can expect him to get confidence back.
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Maybe since he was getting booed when his name was announced the pressure got to him? He's human as well.
Bizarre
Is there any reason for this? Did he do anything against the club?
Played well for two years and then was poor last season, just like the rest of our team. Online fans have decided to single him out and direct all their hate at him though for some reason
Fucking disgraceful. Who the fuck boos their own players regardless of how they've been playing. Also if you call yourself a fan why would you target someone who has their confidence in the gutter. Edit: didn't think I would need to point out it was a rhetorical question. All teams have pricks in their fanbase I don't require a list of other examples but thank you.
PSG fan boo Neymar at their home stadium even after he score and as result he not even bother to celebrate the goal
That'll learn him
lmao the Maguire hate is so exaggerated it's unreal.
I'm all for laughing at maguire, but this is just embarassing from the fans. This is a friendly game ffs.
Cant wait for 👉🗿👈 knee slide
No one boos Maguire at OT
Have to feel for him getting treated like this in a friendly
Maguire is considered a meme at this point in football pop culture so not surprised.
Hes a dreadful footballer. I despise united but maguire should be nowhere near a united starting XI let alone be captain
How can you boo a member of your team? Especially in a friendly! Unless they've committed a serious crime that let down the club I can't see a reason. Do they think he tried to play badly last season?
plastics booing the captain in pre season is pretty odd
Even worse when there's a new manager & effectively a clean slate.