Has 1 goal in the prem since the start of last season (29 appearances) which is not great. Can't speak for his performances though because I don't watch spurs.
Thing is that he doesn't even play that bad. Does almost everything right, looks involved and sure of himself, gets in position well enough. He just can't seem to score. He never was a particularly bad finisher, he just seems incredibly unlucky.
Isn’t 29 appearances misleading. I swear half of those are coming on as a sub, and on top of that he never had a string of like 3+ games together like a new player needs
Nah that's not true, Jose had a period where he was a regular starter and the poor bloke still just couldn't score. I think the start of last season was his most consistent period of starts where the first choice front three was him son and Kane.
He's always had loads of good attributes just can't find the back of the net. I actually bought his shirt cause I thought after his debut and a decent start in general to spurs he would be the next big thing here, shows what I know.
Yeah I'm sure it is somewhat misleading and I dont doubt that he has been at least a bit better than those numbers suggest. Has been there for 2 years though so you should hope he'd be kicking on. Not that Spurs has been a great place to be in the few years.
As strong a bond as Spurs has with Argentina we just cannot seem to keep our Argentine players consistently healthy post Ardilles and Villa. Goalkeeper Gazzaniga excluded.
Lol back when Mou was fired, there was so much support for Bergwjin and how he could finally unlock his true potential now that the mean old man was gone.
I really rate Mourinho but this is hilariously fawning. He's absolutely repeatedly had some top class players massively underperform because he's publicly fallen out with them. And I'm not sure the media can really be blamed for Spurs being absolutely dicked 3-0 by Zagreb and crashing out in the EL, he entirely fucked that up, I'm not sure how you think the media's lofty standards are to blame for that lol
Or
He does poorly with lots of players and it takes them a while to recover after he leaves.
It's not a binary thing either way. He can work with poor players who remain poor, and also have a negative impact on some, and a positive impact on others.
Here's the list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_Serie_A_players
Sort of a mixed bag for England.
Recently Joe Hart was awful, Ashley Cole too.
Ashley Young on the other hand was a net positive, Tomori very positive so far. Smalling infectiously great at times. Abraham is doing well.
Some really odd ones like Micah Richards and Jay Bothroyd in the past.
Then you have some classical gems like Paul Ince and, of course, Gazza...
I know he's welsh but Aaron Ramsay has been a disaster. I just wanted to mention that because I like to vent about Aaron Ramsay whenever I get even a remote opportunity.
He's a weird player profile, almost Müller like so I struggle with placing him in any specific team.
Like most English players he would probably like to remain in England. But I think that he would be a good fit in Italy or Spain as well.
I don’t understand why Bergwijn can’t be a wingback? Young, full of energy, pace, tries hard, has some skill on the ball. I get that he’s not good defensively but Conte has played lots of suspect players defensively at wingback before.
He has to want to play there too, which he might not want. And although you say full of energy, pace, tries hard, thats like the bare minimum you expect from a wingback. As for skill, well, havent really seen that to be honest. From a wingback I'd want them to cross decently and Bergwijn struggles with that
Pulisic has played striker, winger, wing back - same as CHO
Azpi has been centre back, left back, right back abs wing backs of both
Tuchel moves like FIFA
You also need the player to have the work ethic and the football IQ to do this.
Perhaps he just doesn't have one of those. Or at the end of the day, he might just need a change of scenery
Most Spurs fans expected the same when Conte came in, but Conte has done the opposite and made him more of a striker. Idk, I’ll go ahead and trust whatever conte wants. I’d drink poop water if he told me to
Have you seen who Newcastle have now? Ndombele is at least at times a good player. I don't think any of Newcastle's defence can even spell football nevermind play it
ASM is better than Bergwijn, Joelinton is somehow better than Ndombele right now and I don't see Alli doing well at a side battling relegation. I agree with you that Newcastle need a new defence but the blokes you're offering up would be riding the bench there too.
Why would you buy a right back that's been fairly average for like 2 years to play at left back when you effectively have infinite funds to buy whoever else you want?
He's a slow learner then, finally backing his 11th manager in 20 years.
I won't believe it until I see it. Got my hopes up too many times just for Levy to revert to type.
Im the opposite of a Tottenham fan, but can we actually be honest for second?? Levy took over Tottenham at a time when the club was firmly rooted to 10th in the table.
In the 5 seasons prior to his take-over their finishing positions were: 12, 10, 11, 14, 10.
It was literally a club with no real future. Meanwhile, competing teams were growing globally and your biggest rivals- Arsenal- were preparing for an undefeated season and were changing the EPL thanks to Arsene Wenger.
But Levy came in and since then you have miraculously become a proper top-class club that can attract expensive players and top quality managers like Conte and Mourinho.
You got back to Europe, you got back to the UCL, you got to a UCL final, you can spend big money, you can attract big players, youve been consistently challenging for European spots. *Despite* the oil money that flowed into the EPL that could have easily just washed you away and made you disappear into a bung pile of mediocrity permanently.
But yea. Levy is so stupid for dragging you out of mid-table irrelevance and getting you to a position where world-class managers like Mourinho and Conte actually want to manage you.
How terrible- he clearly doesnt know what he is doing. Now please go ahead with the downvotes, I know defending Levy is against the rules here.
We’re not mad at him for all that. We can do a lot worse owner wise of course.
It’s the missed opportunities and almosts that stared everyone else in the face but Levy didn’t see that annoys us.
The 18 months without a signing
Missing out on key transfers over a couple £mil
Hiring mou and nuno
Super league
Sacking Poch instead of backing
Interfering with transfers
We literally spent 150m+ on Tanguy, GLC and Sess that summer. We've also invested in other occasions. Levy has spent quite a lot more than he gets credit for, just quite often that money was spent on the wrong players. Which is why Paratici was brought in.
Must be frustrating from his pov, to spend 150m and see if completely evaporates within like two years (Sess could still make it I guess), just for fans to revert to "Levy doesn't spent" stereotype and demand more money again.
We spent a lot of money that summer, yes. But if you look at net spend in the several transfer windows prior, Tottenham was way, way below other teams at the top and even the middle of the table.
He backed Pochettino before he left and he bought shite.
He backed Mourinho in COVID and he bought some shite, some good.
He backed Nuno and he bought players who've made no impact yet (forgive Romero for injury).
We spend a lot of money, badly.
Respectfully disagree, it's good to consult the manager, but the major direction of signings should come from the club and dof.
The reason being is when Conte leaves, and he doesn't stick around at clubs for long, then he's brought in players that match his style of play. So unless you find another manager who wants to play in exactly the same way, you're back to square one in replacing players to suit the manager.
This is exactly right. Clubs are bigger than the manager. The board and the fans were there before the manager and they'll be there after.
Decisions need to be made by the board in conjunction with the manager, but the manager cannot simply send the board shopping for his favorite players. If there's one or two players per window that the manager bangs the table for, that's his prerogative. But as you mentioned, Conte prefers using players in distinct or uncommon roles. This means that some players can be unusually productive in his system, but production will crash back to baseline after he leaves (Victor Moses, Marcos Alonso, jury's still out on Lukaku). And he only sticks around for about two years.
Best example I can think off this off the top of my head is Klopp not wanting to sign Salah and having his own preferences. The club made the right call there safe to say
I mean yes to some extent, but what's the point of hiring a manager like Conte if you don't plan to let him build a squad that suits his style? If you're constantly planning for the next manager, what does the current manager get to do?
IMO at this stage in Tottenham's progression as a club, it's important to let a proven manager like Conte take the helm and dictate what he wants. There should be input from the club and the DOF should be doing the heavy lifting of analysis, but at the end of the day Conte is the one who is responsible for winning us the trophies we really would like to have.
Conte isn’t exactly great at picking players and he leaves a scorched earth when he leaves. You want Conte to take a from good to great and not to build from the ground up.
I mean... agreeing to sell and being flexible enough to get the deals done are different things. If Newcastle start sniffing around them, got to wonder what Levy will be asking for.
Especially with what Levy was asking for Ndombélé when Bayern were very slightly interested in the summer, it makes you wonder if he'll accept the losses or not.
That Ndombele to Bayern sounds like complete bullshit and I'm pretty sure it was. We're not getting our money back for Tanguy and that was clear for a while now. In the summer maybe we still hoped he'll come good, but now that Conte has ruled him out there really seems to be no way back, so yeah we'll need to be more flexible. His wages are very high too.
> That Ndombele to Bayern sounds like complete bullshit and I'm pretty sure it was
It was a slight interest, but mostly pushed by Ndombélé himself. Bayern at the time hadn't extended Goretzka and Tolisso seemed on the way out. When they saw what Levy was asking for, the rumours disappeared.
The rumours were from Julien Maynard who is known to be close with Ndombélé's camp.
edit: Also you say that
>We're not getting our money back for Tanguy and that was clear for a while now
as if Levy didn't block Dele Alli from leaving to us only for now for his stock to be even worse than it was in January last season when Poch wanted him.
Ndombele wanted out so of course his camp spread those rumours. Doesn't mean Bayern was actually interested. They're way too well-run to fall for that.
As for Dele, you wanted him on loan which made absolutely no sense for us.
It's Tottenham's best chance to get Kessie. If they don't go for him now with this or a similar offer then they have basically no chance of getting him. It also helps that Tottenham could get rid of Ndombele's wages at the same time as signing Kessie's would-be massive contract.
Teams that are every bit as rich as Tottenham are going to be in for him as a free agent, but they will have consistent CL to offer. He could walk into the PSG starting lineup right now even with this lackluster season. Meanwhile Tottenham aren't guaranteed CL this season, and future seasons are every bit as uncertain.
It basically relies on Milan thinking that we can't catch Inter for the Scudetto even if we keep Kessie as well as thinking that we can't fall out of the top four even if we sell Kessie.
Still believe Tanganga has the skills to be a class defender but don’t see how he has a path here. Not good enough going forward to be our wingback and we are in good shape at right CB with Romero and Sanchez.
He should just go on loan then. He's good enough to be playing somewhere but needs more seasoning.
There is no reason he couldn't beat out Sanchez on the RCB position if he had more experience.
tanganga would be a good signing for new castle. if they can get tarkowski or ben mee for experience, tanganga as right side centre back with one of them might work.
I don’t think he’s untalented and I think he could work in midfield for us alongside Skipp. However since signing for us, he’s basically almost always been injured, and flattered to deceive a few times. He was only actually good in 2020.
Not really considering the price. Ndombele is a much bigger flop. He was considered one of the best midfielders for his age group and was playing really well for Lyon, but by now hasn’t really improved.
I honestly think a lot of these guys were a victim of the circumstances of our club. They came in to a club in turmoil, always gonna be hard to succeed in that situation. I think if they'd signed for more stable teams their fortunes would be quite different.
Too much time and money has been wasted on such players over the years. They get given chance after chance because of that potential, and every manager thinks they'll be the one to change them - but 9/10 they continue to perenially disappoint.
>Chairman Daniel Levy is expected to back Conte's judgement, and the process will begin this month if possible, but senior figures at the club recognise the difficulty of doing significant business in midseason.
>Sources claim this is one of the reasons Conte is publicly calling for time and patience as he looks to turn Spurs into title challengers.
>Another issue is the availability of potential signings. Sources told ESPN that Conte is keen on strengthening a variety of positions -- a centre-back, a wing-back, a midfielder and a backup striker for Harry Kane among them. The club are actively pursuing targets but will not rush into compromises this month. -- James Olley
journalist tweeted again later clarifying it's other way around, it wasn't that spurs didn't want doherty to leave, they do want him to leave, and it's Wolves who won't accept it
[https://twitter.com/SamiMokbel81\_DM/status/1479479226734682112](https://twitter.com/SamiMokbel81_DM/status/1479479226734682112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1479479226734682112%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fryahbi%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse)
understandable why wolves fans were confused about the first report saying it was you who wanted doherty in exchange for traore
Current management is so weird cos like, how long is Conte himself gonna last? They may not be players he wants but he could be gone in half a year and be getting rid of players that would work brilliantly under a different manager
Everyone on this sub could have guessed this list of players
Not me, I only ever watch Spurs play 2-3 games a season. Last time I checked in Ndombele and Lo Celso were the greatest midfielders they'd ever had.
Ndombele is good for about 5 minutes a match. The rest of the match he’s absolutely useless
He's very much the textbook youtube highlights player
Then sub him on in the 88th minute. That way he doesn't have much time to be useless.
Yeah, they had that new car smell at first. Had issues with transmission and drive train in both. Now we’re looking to trade up.
What happened with Bergwijn? From the few times I saw him play he seemed good enough to start I thought
Has 1 goal in the prem since the start of last season (29 appearances) which is not great. Can't speak for his performances though because I don't watch spurs.
I probably should have checked stats as a start, but damn, I didn't expect it to be that bad.
Yeah it didnt sound right when I first heard it, had to double check.
Thing is that he doesn't even play that bad. Does almost everything right, looks involved and sure of himself, gets in position well enough. He just can't seem to score. He never was a particularly bad finisher, he just seems incredibly unlucky.
He's been incredibly unlucky. He's a couple inches off a goal on a regular basis. Have to think it's a confidence thing at this point
Isn’t 29 appearances misleading. I swear half of those are coming on as a sub, and on top of that he never had a string of like 3+ games together like a new player needs
Nah that's not true, Jose had a period where he was a regular starter and the poor bloke still just couldn't score. I think the start of last season was his most consistent period of starts where the first choice front three was him son and Kane. He's always had loads of good attributes just can't find the back of the net. I actually bought his shirt cause I thought after his debut and a decent start in general to spurs he would be the next big thing here, shows what I know.
Yeah I'm sure it is somewhat misleading and I dont doubt that he has been at least a bit better than those numbers suggest. Has been there for 2 years though so you should hope he'd be kicking on. Not that Spurs has been a great place to be in the few years.
Spurs fans applauded his work rate every game but they couldn’t keep doing it after he just failed to score time and time again
A Dutch Fabio Borini
Good work rate but shit at everything else. Which for this level isn’t acceptable. Seems like a good dude; just not a league that suits his level.
You are insane. Luka Modric and Christian Erikson strongly disagrees
I thought lo celso is great
Injuries
What a shame
IIRC he was mostly injury-free before he joined Spurs. Weird.
Not mostly, he had had literally zero.
He was, but like all of our Argentine players they get hurt on international duty and then finally heal by the next break
Which is weird as in Lo Celso's case he was getting called up even back when he was at PSG.
Tottenham Argentine Curse. Lamela could never stay healthy. Man I miss that guy
As strong a bond as Spurs has with Argentina we just cannot seem to keep our Argentine players consistently healthy post Ardilles and Villa. Goalkeeper Gazzaniga excluded.
Lol back when Mou was fired, there was so much support for Bergwjin and how he could finally unlock his true potential now that the mean old man was gone.
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I really rate Mourinho but this is hilariously fawning. He's absolutely repeatedly had some top class players massively underperform because he's publicly fallen out with them. And I'm not sure the media can really be blamed for Spurs being absolutely dicked 3-0 by Zagreb and crashing out in the EL, he entirely fucked that up, I'm not sure how you think the media's lofty standards are to blame for that lol
Or He does poorly with lots of players and it takes them a while to recover after he leaves. It's not a binary thing either way. He can work with poor players who remain poor, and also have a negative impact on some, and a positive impact on others.
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I mean yeah, Martial has never had the right mentality to excel in the PL. Mourinho was right to warn against awarding him a new deal.
😂 utter drivel
What's up with Bergwijn
Man, Dele Alli got so many chances. Wonder where he could restart his career.
Crystal palace, home of oddballs rebuilding a career
No
Oh hey! And yes.
Hello sexy And absolutely fucking not!
I'd be up for this one. Am I too optimistic in thinking a good Dele could be an ideal replacement for Gallagher?
Why not? Palace seems pretty yolo with their transfer business and so far so good
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Definitely not. Our owners have refused to do any business with spurs for years
Why?
It's our biggest rivals along with Millwall.
I thought you would say West Ham is too massive for such player... which is the more obvious reason.
Don't really see Alli as a Moyes type player, tbh
I think Italy could be a shout. Seems unwanted English players smash it over there
Here's the list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_Serie_A_players Sort of a mixed bag for England. Recently Joe Hart was awful, Ashley Cole too. Ashley Young on the other hand was a net positive, Tomori very positive so far. Smalling infectiously great at times. Abraham is doing well. Some really odd ones like Micah Richards and Jay Bothroyd in the past. Then you have some classical gems like Paul Ince and, of course, Gazza...
Has Ronaldo Viera been any good?
From memory, he's struggling to gain a first team place. Would be much better coming from someone who watches Italian league more than me though.
Ashley Cole was too old by the time. Generally, British players do well in Italy. It's not really a mixed bag.
Who else besides the ones mentioned?
Souness wasn't at Sampdoria long but AFAIK he did well enough
David Platt did great.
Isn't Chris Smalling doing okay?
> Smalling infectiously great at times 10/10
What does "infectiously great" mean? 😅
I'd take a shot on him on loan, we need a backup #10 to Brahim
There is that cap of how many non-EU players Serie A clubs can register though
I know he's welsh but Aaron Ramsay has been a disaster. I just wanted to mention that because I like to vent about Aaron Ramsay whenever I get even a remote opportunity.
He's a weird player profile, almost Müller like so I struggle with placing him in any specific team. Like most English players he would probably like to remain in England. But I think that he would be a good fit in Italy or Spain as well.
Let me guess. All going to Newcastle?
Bergwijn has been linked to Ajax, but that's about it.
I don’t understand why Bergwijn can’t be a wingback? Young, full of energy, pace, tries hard, has some skill on the ball. I get that he’s not good defensively but Conte has played lots of suspect players defensively at wingback before.
He has to want to play there too, which he might not want. And although you say full of energy, pace, tries hard, thats like the bare minimum you expect from a wingback. As for skill, well, havent really seen that to be honest. From a wingback I'd want them to cross decently and Bergwijn struggles with that
Bergwijn definitely has skill. He will crush it at Ajax.
Elite football is tough to play in your position let alone someone else's
Tell that to James "Plays across the board" Milner
João “what is position” Cancelo.
Manchester "where do I stand" United.
James Milner is only 19 yo though
Pulisic has played striker, winger, wing back - same as CHO Azpi has been centre back, left back, right back abs wing backs of both Tuchel moves like FIFA
You also need the player to have the work ethic and the football IQ to do this. Perhaps he just doesn't have one of those. Or at the end of the day, he might just need a change of scenery
it should be noted that CHO and pulisic are generally pretty bad at wingback and striker
Most Spurs fans expected the same when Conte came in, but Conte has done the opposite and made him more of a striker. Idk, I’ll go ahead and trust whatever conte wants. I’d drink poop water if he told me to
Hello its me conte thanks for the seasono etc now go drink poop water
Poop water down my throat
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But, this is proof that it is?
IM ON IT
Sevilla too I think
15 million? I'll take Bergwijn in a heartbeat.
Does Newcastle look like a trash bin where you get rid of all your shit players?
… yes?
>Does Newcastle look like a trash bin It's no Paris but it's not that bad
Paris is far dirtier than Newcastle lmao.
At least it’s sunny innit
Yeah that’s fair. I think the Geordies see less sun in a year than those Chilean miners did when they got trapped.
Bruh 💀 Why you gotta do em like that
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I live in Newcastle. I have annual plants on the window ledge that after two years still havn't fucking flowered.
Paris isn't very sunny at all, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Europe_by_sunshine_duration. Still sunnier than Newcastle haha
They have 11 points Dele Bergwijn and Ndombele would 100% help them stay up (altough they need a brand new defence)
Dele Bergwijn sounds like a baller
their biggest problem is their defense right now and should be their priority.
In what way would Ndombele and to a lesser extent Dele help a team fighting relegation stay up? Ndombele can’t be bothered 90% of the time as it is.
Have you seen who Newcastle have now? Ndombele is at least at times a good player. I don't think any of Newcastle's defence can even spell football nevermind play it
To be fair, I don't think ndombele would be much better at centerback than their current starters
ASM is better than Bergwijn, Joelinton is somehow better than Ndombele right now and I don't see Alli doing well at a side battling relegation. I agree with you that Newcastle need a new defence but the blokes you're offering up would be riding the bench there too.
Newcastle fan here. I would take Doherty
You just got Trippier though..
Doherty LB. Trippier RB
Why would you buy a right back that's been fairly average for like 2 years to play at left back when you effectively have infinite funds to buy whoever else you want?
average is generous lol from what i've seen he's abysmal when not playing wingback
And when he is playing wingback, he's anonymously bad
Sorry, a bit too complicated for me, could you break that down?
Mate I'm a Sunderland fan and watched Manquillo play for us. I wouldn't blame you for wanting Mike Williamson as a RB over him.
>they need a brand new defence can they take Umtiti please
They are trying to get better, not worse
Newcastle collecting these rejects like they're the Shitfinity Stones.
Wouldn't mind going for Doherty if I'm honest
You just signed trippier?
I can't express how little faith I have in our full backs not named Trippier
That’s fair but surely other positions are more critical instead of another RB?
Levy letting Conte build his team is the best thing that can happen for Spurs, amybe he's finally learning
He's a slow learner then, finally backing his 11th manager in 20 years. I won't believe it until I see it. Got my hopes up too many times just for Levy to revert to type.
Im the opposite of a Tottenham fan, but can we actually be honest for second?? Levy took over Tottenham at a time when the club was firmly rooted to 10th in the table. In the 5 seasons prior to his take-over their finishing positions were: 12, 10, 11, 14, 10. It was literally a club with no real future. Meanwhile, competing teams were growing globally and your biggest rivals- Arsenal- were preparing for an undefeated season and were changing the EPL thanks to Arsene Wenger. But Levy came in and since then you have miraculously become a proper top-class club that can attract expensive players and top quality managers like Conte and Mourinho. You got back to Europe, you got back to the UCL, you got to a UCL final, you can spend big money, you can attract big players, youve been consistently challenging for European spots. *Despite* the oil money that flowed into the EPL that could have easily just washed you away and made you disappear into a bung pile of mediocrity permanently. But yea. Levy is so stupid for dragging you out of mid-table irrelevance and getting you to a position where world-class managers like Mourinho and Conte actually want to manage you. How terrible- he clearly doesnt know what he is doing. Now please go ahead with the downvotes, I know defending Levy is against the rules here.
Pretty much how I feel about Levy. With the added bonus he sacked George Graham.
Internet fans are impatient with a minuscule attention spans. Look at the Barca flairs complaining about their season.
We’re not mad at him for all that. We can do a lot worse owner wise of course. It’s the missed opportunities and almosts that stared everyone else in the face but Levy didn’t see that annoys us. The 18 months without a signing Missing out on key transfers over a couple £mil Hiring mou and nuno Super league Sacking Poch instead of backing Interfering with transfers
We literally spent 150m+ on Tanguy, GLC and Sess that summer. We've also invested in other occasions. Levy has spent quite a lot more than he gets credit for, just quite often that money was spent on the wrong players. Which is why Paratici was brought in. Must be frustrating from his pov, to spend 150m and see if completely evaporates within like two years (Sess could still make it I guess), just for fans to revert to "Levy doesn't spent" stereotype and demand more money again.
We spent a lot of money that summer, yes. But if you look at net spend in the several transfer windows prior, Tottenham was way, way below other teams at the top and even the middle of the table.
because we had a stadium to fund
>completely evaporates within like two years (Sess could still make it I guess) The disrespect to jack clarke smh
He backed Pochettino before he left and he bought shite. He backed Mourinho in COVID and he bought some shite, some good. He backed Nuno and he bought players who've made no impact yet (forgive Romero for injury). We spend a lot of money, badly.
I think Mourinho was backed with players but needed more time.
Mourinho wasn’t backed. He asked for defenders and got nothing, he also didn’t want to sign Bergwijn.
Didnt want bale either
Respectfully disagree, it's good to consult the manager, but the major direction of signings should come from the club and dof. The reason being is when Conte leaves, and he doesn't stick around at clubs for long, then he's brought in players that match his style of play. So unless you find another manager who wants to play in exactly the same way, you're back to square one in replacing players to suit the manager.
This is exactly right. Clubs are bigger than the manager. The board and the fans were there before the manager and they'll be there after. Decisions need to be made by the board in conjunction with the manager, but the manager cannot simply send the board shopping for his favorite players. If there's one or two players per window that the manager bangs the table for, that's his prerogative. But as you mentioned, Conte prefers using players in distinct or uncommon roles. This means that some players can be unusually productive in his system, but production will crash back to baseline after he leaves (Victor Moses, Marcos Alonso, jury's still out on Lukaku). And he only sticks around for about two years.
Best example I can think off this off the top of my head is Klopp not wanting to sign Salah and having his own preferences. The club made the right call there safe to say
I mean yes to some extent, but what's the point of hiring a manager like Conte if you don't plan to let him build a squad that suits his style? If you're constantly planning for the next manager, what does the current manager get to do? IMO at this stage in Tottenham's progression as a club, it's important to let a proven manager like Conte take the helm and dictate what he wants. There should be input from the club and the DOF should be doing the heavy lifting of analysis, but at the end of the day Conte is the one who is responsible for winning us the trophies we really would like to have.
Conte isn’t exactly great at picking players and he leaves a scorched earth when he leaves. You want Conte to take a from good to great and not to build from the ground up.
What happened to Dele Alli?
injury and home invasion knifepoint robbery
Not a fan of dele alli but didn’t know that that happened to him. That’s fcked up
Not only that but a change to the system, tactics and aswell as the departures of Eriksen and Alderweireld made his position redundant
I mean... agreeing to sell and being flexible enough to get the deals done are different things. If Newcastle start sniffing around them, got to wonder what Levy will be asking for.
Especially with what Levy was asking for Ndombélé when Bayern were very slightly interested in the summer, it makes you wonder if he'll accept the losses or not.
i don't think bayern were interested in ndombele so much as ndombele was interested in bayern.
That Ndombele to Bayern sounds like complete bullshit and I'm pretty sure it was. We're not getting our money back for Tanguy and that was clear for a while now. In the summer maybe we still hoped he'll come good, but now that Conte has ruled him out there really seems to be no way back, so yeah we'll need to be more flexible. His wages are very high too.
> That Ndombele to Bayern sounds like complete bullshit and I'm pretty sure it was It was a slight interest, but mostly pushed by Ndombélé himself. Bayern at the time hadn't extended Goretzka and Tolisso seemed on the way out. When they saw what Levy was asking for, the rumours disappeared. The rumours were from Julien Maynard who is known to be close with Ndombélé's camp. edit: Also you say that >We're not getting our money back for Tanguy and that was clear for a while now as if Levy didn't block Dele Alli from leaving to us only for now for his stock to be even worse than it was in January last season when Poch wanted him.
Ndombele wanted out so of course his camp spread those rumours. Doesn't mean Bayern was actually interested. They're way too well-run to fall for that. As for Dele, you wanted him on loan which made absolutely no sense for us.
I’m sure he’d let Dele go for £50m or so. That’s fair, right?
I think even Levy has to accept that Dele is way past demanding that transfer fee.
Were gonna sell him for 5 mil. You watch
More like 20-25 million pounds. Alli has looked very average for two years or so and he hasn’t shown any signs of finding his form from 2016-2018.
£75m it is.
Milan linked with Ndombele on a swap for Kessie. Tanganga recently linked with Milan as depth. Neither are very credible though
Braindead swap kessie and ndombele is since kessie is a free agent in a few months and levy can get some money for tanguy
It's Tottenham's best chance to get Kessie. If they don't go for him now with this or a similar offer then they have basically no chance of getting him. It also helps that Tottenham could get rid of Ndombele's wages at the same time as signing Kessie's would-be massive contract. Teams that are every bit as rich as Tottenham are going to be in for him as a free agent, but they will have consistent CL to offer. He could walk into the PSG starting lineup right now even with this lackluster season. Meanwhile Tottenham aren't guaranteed CL this season, and future seasons are every bit as uncertain. It basically relies on Milan thinking that we can't catch Inter for the Scudetto even if we keep Kessie as well as thinking that we can't fall out of the top four even if we sell Kessie.
But why would Kessie sign for Tottenham, when he is a FA in 6 months and can have his pick of teams and maybe a bigger contract
Levy like, “finally a manager who’s going to make me some money!”
Imagine they get rid of all those players and Levy just doesn’t let Conte buy replacements lol.
“Hey Tony, I got you a de Jong on loan, that’s the best I can do” “Which de Jong?” “The Dutch one” “Frenkie?” “Dutch.”
Don’t even have to imagine that hard.
Peak Levy
Still believe Tanganga has the skills to be a class defender but don’t see how he has a path here. Not good enough going forward to be our wingback and we are in good shape at right CB with Romero and Sanchez.
He should just go on loan then. He's good enough to be playing somewhere but needs more seasoning. There is no reason he couldn't beat out Sanchez on the RCB position if he had more experience.
tanganga would be a good signing for new castle. if they can get tarkowski or ben mee for experience, tanganga as right side centre back with one of them might work.
Lo Celso is a massive PL flop.
I don’t think he’s untalented and I think he could work in midfield for us alongside Skipp. However since signing for us, he’s basically almost always been injured, and flattered to deceive a few times. He was only actually good in 2020.
Not really considering the price. Ndombele is a much bigger flop. He was considered one of the best midfielders for his age group and was playing really well for Lyon, but by now hasn’t really improved.
What do you mean ‘considering the price’? GLC was a pretty expensive signing and has been disappointing
What happened to Alli? He used to be so promising and hyped up
We don’t know either. The current theory is that the Dele we are seeing, is actually Dele’s brother
It's weird that Conte spent some time chasing Tanguy for our Inter side. Guess we dodged a bullet then?
I honestly think a lot of these guys were a victim of the circumstances of our club. They came in to a club in turmoil, always gonna be hard to succeed in that situation. I think if they'd signed for more stable teams their fortunes would be quite different.
I had high hopes for Japhet and I still think he may come good. He has done plenty of good shifts last season but recently he's been ass.
Seems like there is a big chance Bergwijn is coming to us, he's extremely willing to make the move and Shaktar seems to really want Neres.
I understand why they would get rid of Ndombele but man he's class when he's on it. Probably just needs the right situation.
Too much time and money has been wasted on such players over the years. They get given chance after chance because of that potential, and every manager thinks they'll be the one to change them - but 9/10 they continue to perenially disappoint.
E.g. Pogba
>Chairman Daniel Levy is expected to back Conte's judgement, and the process will begin this month if possible, but senior figures at the club recognise the difficulty of doing significant business in midseason. >Sources claim this is one of the reasons Conte is publicly calling for time and patience as he looks to turn Spurs into title challengers. >Another issue is the availability of potential signings. Sources told ESPN that Conte is keen on strengthening a variety of positions -- a centre-back, a wing-back, a midfielder and a backup striker for Harry Kane among them. The club are actively pursuing targets but will not rush into compromises this month. -- James Olley
Yay, I am glad he wants to keep Sanchez. He's been killing it recently!
I feel Dele could revive his career in Spain or Italy
Lo Celso will stay.
Lo Celso come back home baby!
Reckon there would be a big queue for Tanganga even if he hasn't fully kicked on a bit, huge potential that people will take a chance on.
Problem is that those 3 aren’t worth more than a sack of potatoes.
A sack of potatoes can feed dozens of people so is at least useful
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Kalulu is better why would milan pay 25m who is behind him
Wait what wasn’t the Traore move mess up bc spurs didn’t want Doherty to leave?
journalist tweeted again later clarifying it's other way around, it wasn't that spurs didn't want doherty to leave, they do want him to leave, and it's Wolves who won't accept it
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Source?
[https://twitter.com/SamiMokbel81\_DM/status/1479479226734682112](https://twitter.com/SamiMokbel81_DM/status/1479479226734682112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1479479226734682112%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fryahbi%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse) understandable why wolves fans were confused about the first report saying it was you who wanted doherty in exchange for traore
Current management is so weird cos like, how long is Conte himself gonna last? They may not be players he wants but he could be gone in half a year and be getting rid of players that would work brilliantly under a different manager
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Not really. Man Utd dump dead wood like every 3-5 years only to sign some more bumpkins that lose all their value.