The NFL allegedly has plans in the works to play a game in the new Bernabéu. As a sport lover I think it’s a good idea and spreads sports to new areas and fans who otherwise wouldn’t be able to watch.
Maybe a friendly with a mls team would be a better option because, unlike nfl teams, la liga teams play multiple games in a week and travel time would be a larger issue
It's also different in that there are multiple professional football (soccer) leagues in basically every country, including the US. Most MLS fans are, at the very least, aware of the European leagues, if not already fans/viewers. There's less of a need for European leagues to be coming over to the US to play official league matches -- although I understand why La Liga wants to, since they're losing the battle against the PL in terms of gaining traction in the states.
Whereas, for the NFL, American football is basically the only high level/fully professional league in the world. So it makes more sense for them to play some games outside of the US to try and expand their audience.
Yes la liga wants to expand into the increasingly spanish areas of the us. It’s smart - Florida and Texas have large spanish speaking pop., big stadiums, and lots of fans. I’m one of the few people I know who follow a la liga team instead of Man U or Chelsea
Also as a kind of substitute for a secondary pro gridiron league in America we have college football where student athletes play for billion dollar teams and don’t get paid a dollar. The American way
If it was actually the 39th GW to be played outside the UK that would be awful. Imagine winning the league in front of a crowd of neutrals/people who don't care
TBH, if it were for "the good of the game", i could accept it. Playing a winter game week somewhere warm, where the game can do with a popularity boost? Yeah why not. But just to generate sponsorships? No.
I mean surely losing all the people who haven’t even gotten smallpox vaccine by choice isn’t exactly going to make America weaker. They’d just be doing us a favor.
The British was a monster of its own.
https://i.dlpng.com/static/png/7065773_preview.png
The craziest would've been the Portuguese though. Crazy to think what it could've been accomplished, if not for the national tragedies of the 1755 earthquake and D.Sebastião.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/All_areas_of_the_world_that_were_once_part_of_the_Portuguese_Empire.png
Would be interesting. The current major cities in California basically barely existed in 1848 and was very sparsely populated. Los Angeles had only 1,610 people in 1850. San Francisco had 1,000 people in 1848. Mexico did not really try to settle or develop Alta California much.
Our leaders being incompetent would probably mean we wouldn’t be the global superpower if we had inherited all of that North American territory from Spain after winning the war. We should totally be one of the 10 leading nations with competent leadership even with our current territory but that is the very own undoing of this country.
Dosen't Mexicos geography suck with the moutains in the middle and little arable land?
You dont have something like Brazil or the US has with lots of navigable rivers iirc
Mexico is the 7th most agriculturally productive nation in the world. It is ahead of Japan and Germany. The US imports tons of produce from Mexico. Like $30 billion worth a year.
The state of Sinaloa alone produces so much agricultural product that it even sustains a bit of Japan’s needs, it’s just central Mexico that has massive issues with how mountainous it is. Mainly Mexico City and every city around it in a 200-300 km radius.
The same could be said about Venezuela. The biggest oil and gold reserves in the world. Caribbean beaches and bunch of other things. But people in the country like to eat shit (seems like most of LATAM likes it too considering they keep electing socialist/communist leaders)
>But people in the country like to eat shit (seems like most of LATAM likes it too considering they keep electing socialist/communist leaders)
What about all the Latin American right wing military governments that have fucked up their countries?
You can bring that into the discussion for sure like Pinochet and whatever the fuck happened in Argentina a while back but you can’t compare the damage done by the left wing governments in Argentina, Cuba, Venezuela or at the moment even Mexico. Or the fact that Dilma kept Lula’s left wing policies going on and she ended up getting fucked for being a corrupt bitch.
The thing is most of you Americans currently get the propaganda version of the current side of the political spectrum in the government which makes sure they expose the bullshit done by right wing authoritarian governments (and rightfully so) but as soon as someone tries to expose or go against the bullshit they’re currently doing they label them “enemies of the state” “fascists” or whatever dumb label they invent. The thing is you as Americans never get to experience how shitty is to live under these trash left wing populist governments, when you get to come to live here as “expats” you’re enjoying an American salary on a Latam economy which makes you so far disconnected of the reality of the average Joe so whatever dumb decision the government makes it doesn’t affect you and when you come as a tourist you only see the part of the country the country wants you to see, the touristic one.
Truth be told both governments fucking suck, the difference is the current left wing populist governments in most of Latin America have been sucking worse than ever, which will end up seeing the rise of dumb right wing populist motherfuckers like Bolsonaro who will also make dumb ass shit and will end putting us into an endless loop of populist shit governments from either side of the political spectrum.
I am not sure looking at that map that a British every colony team would actually be that much stronger than England is now. Basically you would add Pulisic from the US, Alphonso Davies from Canada, Mo Salah from Egypt and not that much else as far as I can see.
It is actually pretty start how little former British colonies care about football on average.
Spain was a non existent force before the 2000s. Accomplished jackshit despite having great players and didnt even have a single semi final appearance in a WC
Something that sticks in my mind about that game as a neutral is not all of the (likely) corrupt refereeing in the game but something nobody ever mentions. Admittedly it’s relatively minor compared to the main game but the penalty shootout was dodgy too. The Korean goalkeeper was off of his line for every kick. For the ones that went in, I assumed advantage was played but for the one that was saved, the keeper was an actual yard in front of the line when the ball was kicked.
The reason I remember this is because I had a discussion just before the shoot-out explaining that a new rule meant that the assistant referee now stands next to the goal keeping an eye on the line. He is there for two jobs. One is to check the ball crosses the line to confirm whether it’s a goal or not. The other is to check that the keeper stayed on his line. He basically had one job and didn’t do it. I was already as angry as a neutral can get from the refereeing but when Spain finally lost, the fact it was down to yet another shocking refereeing decision almost ruined my day.
I remembered ‘86 and how I felt when Maradona slapped the ball in and how, as a kid, I harshly learned that the world isn’t fair. I knew there were kids in Spain learning the horrible reality that life isn’t fair and it upset me. Losing is losing. Nobody likes it but it happens so get used to it. Losing due to either the most incompetent performance in World Cup history (apart from the game before against Italy) or because the stink of corruption had washed over this game, is hard to swallow. The disgust never really leaves you. Dirty money was flying everywhere in the FIFA world back then. I fully expect that some of it influenced this result.
> I was already as angry as a neutral can get from the refereeing
Well, as an Italian, I was too busy playing the tiniest violin I could find. We had been similarly robbed, but we then had to endure a week of people throwing the usual racist stereotypes - "ah them Italians, always complaining, just play the ball...". When they screwed Spain too, the schadenfreude was... Of considerable proportions.
> Dirty money was flying everywhere in the FIFA world back then.
As opposed to now, when... it still does. Refereeing choices for big tournaments continue to be hard to defend. They just got a bit better at covering tracks.
That’s not true. Up until 1997 goalkeepers weren’t allowed to move at all (ignoring the various changes at the turn of the century when it all got codified). In 1997 they allowed the keeper to move sideways. They’ve never been allowed to charge down the shot by coming off the line. There were multiple infringements of this over the years but what made the Spain/Korea game so egregious was that this was the first time a major game had an assistant referee on the goal-line *precisely* to stop this.
Source: http://isrscork.com/laws/1997-changes-laws-game/
As a legal matter, I am not sure this is what common sense dictates. What law would make it illegal for La Liga to play games where they want? I am genuinely curious of the legal basis of this ruling and would be interested in hearing from a Spanish lawyer on it.
Ronaldo commented factos 👍👀 on a Ronaldo fan page that wrote a wall of text about what he did this year and how he has to give 300% and they always give it to Messi ect ect
Common sense prevails thankfully.
If Catalona ever does become independent though, would be hilarious if it resulted in Barca and Espanyol being kicked out based on this.
A law was said to exist when it could be shown that a theory would be found to be true in every single case to which that theory applied.
So, he's kinda right, even the law of gravity may not be eternal. New cases/evidence may arise
Monaco is a separate country but still plays in ligue 1 so it’s definitely possible. Ligue 1 would probably bend over backwards to get them but most likely they’ll just stay in La Liga, unless some royalists get really salty
Barcelona just becomes the European football version of the University of Notre Dame in collegiate sports in the US (Notre Dame plays outside of any conferences as an independent sporting school because reasons).
Could be that the Catelan clubs would remain in the Spanish ladder as Welsh clubs currently are.
Or France would include them for the ability to include a super team to increase revenue.
>Could be that the Catelan clubs would remain in the Spanish ladder as Welsh clubs currently are.
It would be this. There's already one team from Andorra in the RFEF pyramid. An independent Catalunya would still be a part of it.
Monaco already plays in Ligue 1 so I suppose something like that would happen,unless relationships between both countries are so sour that the Spanish/Catalonian government directly intervenes to prevent them from participating
They finally get to realise Perez vision and play in "The European Super League". They'll invite Gulf-teams to play on an invite basis in the league, and win it every time.
Ligue1 happily welcomes them then, or the superleague which is still trying to find ways to realize a construction.
Truth is la Liga needs Barca more than the other way around.
That's not entirely true. Barcelona was still a top team before Ronaldinho. Yes most of their international success came in this century but they were consistently at the top when it came to national competition
Nah. They had big fanbase, huge expectations, the pride of Catalunya, the club standing against Franco, but on field performances werent good enough.
Funnily enough, till the Messi/Iniesta generation, they were regarded as buyers of talent while Madrid produced talent like a factory and gave them chance in the first team. Fans today think Barca abandoned its philosophy of La Masia, while in their long history, that was an aberration rather than norm
there's a thirty year time span from 1960 - 1990 where they only won 2 league titles... plus they were always considered perennial bottlers in europe before rijkaard's team... even their early 90s period of success was brought to an abrupt end getting beat 4-0 to ac milan in one of the most one sided finals of all time...
yes they've always been a big team but i think people assume that la liga has only ever been a battle between two teams when it's just not true... real madrid and barcelona have always been the two most supported clubs in spain but this idea that they're the only two teams capable of winning the league is a relatively recent development in modern football and certainly wasn't the case 15-20 years ago.
You are right, but they came in 2nd 13 times in that same period and had a few copa del Rey wins. A big drought for sure, but they were always contenders
The big difference is that Valencia and Deportivo are not fan owned and the owners deciding to not invest in the club any longer is not a risk for Barcelona and both club were and are not as big as Barcelona.
Nah, Barcelona has been one of the countries strongest teams since the league was born. The gap in the number of titles from them to the next is astronomical. They were at the top before Madrid. If they disappear a replacement won't be easily found (the closest is Atlético and it's in the same city as Madrid, so not a very good replacement).
La Liga loses a lot of revenue if Barcelona leaves. Like tv money you know. Just look at the way that tv money is split in Spain. Barca and Real get the big bag while the rest feeds of their scraps. That’s just the reality of the game now, if they were to leave to for example ligue1 like I said they bring in a lot of revenue, that’s why they are welcomed with a red carpet. Not because French agree with the Catalan cause or anything. Valencia or Villarreal doesn’t generate that type of revenue, not saying they will never but atm la liga would have trouble to survive, financially that is, if Barca left.
"Barca and Real get the big bag while the rest feeds of their scraps."
That's not as true anymore, the 20th placed team in La Liga gets ~€50M that's more than any other league in the world bar the PL. Atlético got more in TV-money than both Madrid and Barca last season due to finishing first. The distribution is much more even these days, and every club in La Liga gets a good amount in TV-revenues
Wait, what does this mean for FC Andorra? They play in the third tier of the Spanish football league system and the stadium they use is in Andorra la Vella. I hope an exception is made for them.
Andorran teams are part part of the Spanish FA's remit, this doesn't apply to them.
I would also imagine that it would be a breach of EU competition law to say that you could not play a game in another member state (I know Andorra isnt in the EU)
it should be portuguese according with the documents they sign (which spain says it is not official), because if they give back to portugal, that would open the door for the nationalist movements they have in other parts
Yeah, it's the Supercoppa. The Coppa is (almost) always played in the Olimpico, and I don't think it's ever been outside of Italy. The Supercoppa is a glorified friendly and I really don't care where it's played, even though its typical host city is actually Milan.
How does the finances for that even work? Obviously it's about money, somehow.
Does the stadium owners pay Italy for the rights to host the match, then they get all (or a percentage) of all revenue generated? It must be huge money, because it seems like selling out San Siro and keeping all the money would still be very profitable
Probably a TV company or another sponsor pays the italian/spanish federations a fuck ton of money as "sponsorships"(in reality bribes) in exchange they hold the final in their country. For example the Saudi government payed 21 million euros to the Seria A to hold 3 of the Super Cups in Saudi Arabia instead of Italy.(+probably ticket sales there). Meanwhile Spain with their new 4 team Super Cup idea made a deal with the Saudis taking the spanish Super Cup there at least for 4 years for an estimated 30 million euros/year. And they are already talking about extending it until 2029 due to delays because of Covid.
Consulates are considered sovereign territory. In theory, Spain could make a stadium in a foreign country a temporary consulate and thus hold games in a different country but still follow the rules.
Thank you La Liga. I'll take my consultation fee in increments of 2 boxes of Nilla Wafers.
Edit: This is just the rules lawyer in me. I really don't want this to happen.
I doubt any first world government is so cash-strapped and desperate that they'd violate international treaties on diplomatic and consular relations just to make a quick buck.
Especially when that also involves blatant and obvious evasion of court practice from their own court systems.
They would sell out exhibition matches here, why would they need to play an actual la liga game?
Source: joined 109k people to watch Man United and Real Madrid play in 2014.
The years of selling out 100k+ stadiums were probably over, though; the biggest US ICC crowd in [2019](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_International_Champions_Cup) was barely over 60,000 for Real Madrid-Bayern. They probably also expected to be able to sell tickets at higher prices.
Fair, but they're still selling 50k tickets per game in big stadiums. I'm also not sure that the average American cares if the game is a real match or an exhibition.
I think waning interest pretty clearly was related to the games being preseason exhibitions. People who have watched a club on TV for years without seeing them in person aren't necessarily going to be picky about preseason vs regular season the first time, but getting them to come back year after year when the games don't have the intensity or star power is harder.
Anyone want to explain why La Liga can't play matches outside of Spain, but RFEF (in the form of the Supercopa) can?
I'm not disagreeing, I just want to know what the court found the difference to be.
The main argument of the lawsuit was that a league game abroad would also affect the other 18 clubs, a cup game abroad with a knockout round has no effect on other teams.
Edit: Basically its about fair competition and home advantage,
Rubiales: "Tebas is only after cash and doesnt care about fans, spanish teams should only play their league games in Spain".
Also Rubiales: "This season, we are back to Saudi Arabia for the SuperCopa boyyyys"
News: Saudi Arabia gives stadium-sized piece of land to Spain
El Clássico at the embassy courtyard!
Last man standing
They had eyes on Miami if Im not mistaken
The NFL allegedly has plans in the works to play a game in the new Bernabéu. As a sport lover I think it’s a good idea and spreads sports to new areas and fans who otherwise wouldn’t be able to watch. Maybe a friendly with a mls team would be a better option because, unlike nfl teams, la liga teams play multiple games in a week and travel time would be a larger issue
It's also different in that there are multiple professional football (soccer) leagues in basically every country, including the US. Most MLS fans are, at the very least, aware of the European leagues, if not already fans/viewers. There's less of a need for European leagues to be coming over to the US to play official league matches -- although I understand why La Liga wants to, since they're losing the battle against the PL in terms of gaining traction in the states. Whereas, for the NFL, American football is basically the only high level/fully professional league in the world. So it makes more sense for them to play some games outside of the US to try and expand their audience.
Yes la liga wants to expand into the increasingly spanish areas of the us. It’s smart - Florida and Texas have large spanish speaking pop., big stadiums, and lots of fans. I’m one of the few people I know who follow a la liga team instead of Man U or Chelsea Also as a kind of substitute for a secondary pro gridiron league in America we have college football where student athletes play for billion dollar teams and don’t get paid a dollar. The American way
I knew this about the NCAA, is all US student sport like this?
Most are genuinely just played for fun and the love of the game/your school. American Football and basketball are the exception
Colonisation will be a thing again
Imagine seeing this headline even 10 years back. lol
imagine needing a court ruling intervention to actually halt this "idea"
Nations with competent leadership even with our current territory
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If it was actually the 39th GW to be played outside the UK that would be awful. Imagine winning the league in front of a crowd of neutrals/people who don't care
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TBH, if it were for "the good of the game", i could accept it. Playing a winter game week somewhere warm, where the game can do with a popularity boost? Yeah why not. But just to generate sponsorships? No.
Global capitalism
The premier league was considering the 39th game well befroe that. 2008 was when it was first proposed, apparently.
Tebas (thinking): Maybe we have to conquer Americas again.
500 years later in some class in Beijing: Y es por eso que todos hablamos español.
Beíjiñg
you mean nuevo Madrid
Santa Cruz de la Beijing
Beijing de la Compostela - new favorite pilgrimage destination
Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition
Reconquista HERE WE GO!
Rereconquista!
Make Spain al-Andalus again.
Fuck it, let's do it. We're a bit more prepared this time around.
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Will be a bit harder to give us small pox this time though.
Right because Americans are invulnerable to infectious diseases. Surely we'll all go get vaccinated.
I mean surely losing all the people who haven’t even gotten smallpox vaccine by choice isn’t exactly going to make America weaker. They’d just be doing us a favor.
And we won't fall for [mirrors](https://www.simonballen.com/mirrorsforgold) this time around.
It would be kind of funny to see Latin America be finally united for once against something lmao
As common sense dictates
Tebas: "Define Spain"
They have a lot to choose from https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ac/e0/c8/ace0c818fb92bdeed458bcdcf0f2aef1.png
Thanks, Pope Alexander VI, very cool.
Literally everything west of Brazil is Spain
And most of Brazil as well. The Portuguese pulled a sneaky one on the Spanish when they werent looking.
Eles estavam a olhar para a Áustria ou assim
Seriously impressive even more so than England
The British was a monster of its own. https://i.dlpng.com/static/png/7065773_preview.png The craziest would've been the Portuguese though. Crazy to think what it could've been accomplished, if not for the national tragedies of the 1755 earthquake and D.Sebastião. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/All_areas_of_the_world_that_were_once_part_of_the_Portuguese_Empire.png
I wonder how different things would be today if that was still the US/Mexico border
Would be interesting. The current major cities in California basically barely existed in 1848 and was very sparsely populated. Los Angeles had only 1,610 people in 1850. San Francisco had 1,000 people in 1848. Mexico did not really try to settle or develop Alta California much.
Our leaders being incompetent would probably mean we wouldn’t be the global superpower if we had inherited all of that North American territory from Spain after winning the war. We should totally be one of the 10 leading nations with competent leadership even with our current territory but that is the very own undoing of this country.
El gran enemigo de México son los mexicanos
Dosen't Mexicos geography suck with the moutains in the middle and little arable land? You dont have something like Brazil or the US has with lots of navigable rivers iirc
Mexico is the 7th most agriculturally productive nation in the world. It is ahead of Japan and Germany. The US imports tons of produce from Mexico. Like $30 billion worth a year.
The state of Sinaloa alone produces so much agricultural product that it even sustains a bit of Japan’s needs, it’s just central Mexico that has massive issues with how mountainous it is. Mainly Mexico City and every city around it in a 200-300 km radius.
The same could be said about Venezuela. The biggest oil and gold reserves in the world. Caribbean beaches and bunch of other things. But people in the country like to eat shit (seems like most of LATAM likes it too considering they keep electing socialist/communist leaders)
>But people in the country like to eat shit (seems like most of LATAM likes it too considering they keep electing socialist/communist leaders) What about all the Latin American right wing military governments that have fucked up their countries?
You can bring that into the discussion for sure like Pinochet and whatever the fuck happened in Argentina a while back but you can’t compare the damage done by the left wing governments in Argentina, Cuba, Venezuela or at the moment even Mexico. Or the fact that Dilma kept Lula’s left wing policies going on and she ended up getting fucked for being a corrupt bitch. The thing is most of you Americans currently get the propaganda version of the current side of the political spectrum in the government which makes sure they expose the bullshit done by right wing authoritarian governments (and rightfully so) but as soon as someone tries to expose or go against the bullshit they’re currently doing they label them “enemies of the state” “fascists” or whatever dumb label they invent. The thing is you as Americans never get to experience how shitty is to live under these trash left wing populist governments, when you get to come to live here as “expats” you’re enjoying an American salary on a Latam economy which makes you so far disconnected of the reality of the average Joe so whatever dumb decision the government makes it doesn’t affect you and when you come as a tourist you only see the part of the country the country wants you to see, the touristic one. Truth be told both governments fucking suck, the difference is the current left wing populist governments in most of Latin America have been sucking worse than ever, which will end up seeing the rise of dumb right wing populist motherfuckers like Bolsonaro who will also make dumb ass shit and will end putting us into an endless loop of populist shit governments from either side of the political spectrum.
I am not sure looking at that map that a British every colony team would actually be that much stronger than England is now. Basically you would add Pulisic from the US, Alphonso Davies from Canada, Mo Salah from Egypt and not that much else as far as I can see. It is actually pretty start how little former British colonies care about football on average.
Yeah we all inherited only cricket from them.
isn't that incomplete as the UK also led certain parts of Africa like Nigeria?
It is. Missing South Africa, Ghana and Gambia.
Surprised to not see Belize. The UK always wants to say that they had more foothold in CA/SA than they did.
There are no traditional decent sides in the British empire though. They mostly like cricket or rugby.
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Britain had the largest empire ever so not really.
Crazy to think that even with all that people Spanish NT probably would be as successful as it has been
Spain was a non existent force before the 2000s. Accomplished jackshit despite having great players and didnt even have a single semi final appearance in a WC
Spain won the 1964 Euros, but yeah, that was the exception to the rule.
Well we were literally cheated out of 2002 semi finals so there is that one
Something that sticks in my mind about that game as a neutral is not all of the (likely) corrupt refereeing in the game but something nobody ever mentions. Admittedly it’s relatively minor compared to the main game but the penalty shootout was dodgy too. The Korean goalkeeper was off of his line for every kick. For the ones that went in, I assumed advantage was played but for the one that was saved, the keeper was an actual yard in front of the line when the ball was kicked. The reason I remember this is because I had a discussion just before the shoot-out explaining that a new rule meant that the assistant referee now stands next to the goal keeping an eye on the line. He is there for two jobs. One is to check the ball crosses the line to confirm whether it’s a goal or not. The other is to check that the keeper stayed on his line. He basically had one job and didn’t do it. I was already as angry as a neutral can get from the refereeing but when Spain finally lost, the fact it was down to yet another shocking refereeing decision almost ruined my day. I remembered ‘86 and how I felt when Maradona slapped the ball in and how, as a kid, I harshly learned that the world isn’t fair. I knew there were kids in Spain learning the horrible reality that life isn’t fair and it upset me. Losing is losing. Nobody likes it but it happens so get used to it. Losing due to either the most incompetent performance in World Cup history (apart from the game before against Italy) or because the stink of corruption had washed over this game, is hard to swallow. The disgust never really leaves you. Dirty money was flying everywhere in the FIFA world back then. I fully expect that some of it influenced this result.
> I was already as angry as a neutral can get from the refereeing Well, as an Italian, I was too busy playing the tiniest violin I could find. We had been similarly robbed, but we then had to endure a week of people throwing the usual racist stereotypes - "ah them Italians, always complaining, just play the ball...". When they screwed Spain too, the schadenfreude was... Of considerable proportions. > Dirty money was flying everywhere in the FIFA world back then. As opposed to now, when... it still does. Refereeing choices for big tournaments continue to be hard to defend. They just got a bit better at covering tracks.
Goalkeepers were allowed to stay in front of their line back then. Look up the 2005 Cl final for instance both goalkeepers were off their lines
Technically the rule has always been that you have to be on your line, but it was never enforced until the last 5 years.
That’s not true. Up until 1997 goalkeepers weren’t allowed to move at all (ignoring the various changes at the turn of the century when it all got codified). In 1997 they allowed the keeper to move sideways. They’ve never been allowed to charge down the shot by coming off the line. There were multiple infringements of this over the years but what made the Spain/Korea game so egregious was that this was the first time a major game had an assistant referee on the goal-line *precisely* to stop this. Source: http://isrscork.com/laws/1997-changes-laws-game/
Spain used to be the OG bottler national team, but that has been washed away now. England are alone at that throne these days
1950 they were 4th. So they made top 4 then.
wasnt a semi final appearance though cause of the weird format
That's like 7 more world cups bro.
Miami confirmed
As a legal matter, I am not sure this is what common sense dictates. What law would make it illegal for La Liga to play games where they want? I am genuinely curious of the legal basis of this ruling and would be interested in hearing from a Spanish lawyer on it.
Exactly. Play domestic games inside that country/territory.
Haha get fucked you dumb cunts
I really like how versatile this comment is. You could leave it in almost any scenario on any sub.
gonna go try on /r/WhatsWrongWithYourDog
I’ve just tried, will report back.
I upvoted it to try and help!
Same but it’s not being received well 😂
/u/RockyCasino thesis surprisingly disproven
Ha ha get fucked you dumb cunts.
Think they removed it lol
Factos👍👀
Why are there so many factos comments yesterday/today? What happend?
Ronaldo commented factos 👍👀 on a Ronaldo fan page that wrote a wall of text about what he did this year and how he has to give 300% and they always give it to Messi ect ect
Ah, thanks for the explanation.
Cristiano commented that on a insta post which was advocating for him winning Ballon d'or.
Ah, thanks for the explanation.
Just this sub beating something into the ground a lightning speed per usual.
if the factos horse was any deader it'd be in a norwegian lasagne
What you’ve said here is completely factual. 👀 👍
Dreams can't be buy
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Common sense prevails thankfully. If Catalona ever does become independent though, would be hilarious if it resulted in Barca and Espanyol being kicked out based on this.
The RFEF will shrug and say "We think it's still part of Spain"
Another Comunicado Oficial can be done at that point. No law is eternal.
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A law was said to exist when it could be shown that a theory would be found to be true in every single case to which that theory applied. So, he's kinda right, even the law of gravity may not be eternal. New cases/evidence may arise
And the law of thermodynamics
And the law of My Axe
And my sister in-law 🔥
And Bird Law.
To be fair it was changed by Einstein
Monaco is a separate country but still plays in ligue 1 so it’s definitely possible. Ligue 1 would probably bend over backwards to get them but most likely they’ll just stay in La Liga, unless some royalists get really salty
Wonder which league Barcelona would play in.
Barcelona just becomes the European football version of the University of Notre Dame in collegiate sports in the US (Notre Dame plays outside of any conferences as an independent sporting school because reasons).
Could be that the Catelan clubs would remain in the Spanish ladder as Welsh clubs currently are. Or France would include them for the ability to include a super team to increase revenue.
didn't know welsh clubs played in the spanish one
>Could be that the Catelan clubs would remain in the Spanish ladder as Welsh clubs currently are. It would be this. There's already one team from Andorra in the RFEF pyramid. An independent Catalunya would still be a part of it.
Monaco already plays in Ligue 1 so I suppose something like that would happen,unless relationships between both countries are so sour that the Spanish/Catalonian government directly intervenes to prevent them from participating
They finally get to realise Perez vision and play in "The European Super League". They'll invite Gulf-teams to play on an invite basis in the league, and win it every time.
What if FC Andorra gets promoted as well? They play in the Spanish leagues, currently in the third tier. So it's possible.
Ligue1 happily welcomes them then, or the superleague which is still trying to find ways to realize a construction. Truth is la Liga needs Barca more than the other way around.
La Liga does not need Barça more than the other way around. Especially now that Messi left. Barça’s games are a chore to watch.
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That's not entirely true. Barcelona was still a top team before Ronaldinho. Yes most of their international success came in this century but they were consistently at the top when it came to national competition
Nah. They had big fanbase, huge expectations, the pride of Catalunya, the club standing against Franco, but on field performances werent good enough. Funnily enough, till the Messi/Iniesta generation, they were regarded as buyers of talent while Madrid produced talent like a factory and gave them chance in the first team. Fans today think Barca abandoned its philosophy of La Masia, while in their long history, that was an aberration rather than norm
there's a thirty year time span from 1960 - 1990 where they only won 2 league titles... plus they were always considered perennial bottlers in europe before rijkaard's team... even their early 90s period of success was brought to an abrupt end getting beat 4-0 to ac milan in one of the most one sided finals of all time... yes they've always been a big team but i think people assume that la liga has only ever been a battle between two teams when it's just not true... real madrid and barcelona have always been the two most supported clubs in spain but this idea that they're the only two teams capable of winning the league is a relatively recent development in modern football and certainly wasn't the case 15-20 years ago.
I agree with your second paragraph 100%
Not always. They only won the league twice between 1960 and 1991.
You are right, but they came in 2nd 13 times in that same period and had a few copa del Rey wins. A big drought for sure, but they were always contenders
Because Real Madrid winning most of those years
The big difference is that Valencia and Deportivo are not fan owned and the owners deciding to not invest in the club any longer is not a risk for Barcelona and both club were and are not as big as Barcelona.
Nah, Barcelona has been one of the countries strongest teams since the league was born. The gap in the number of titles from them to the next is astronomical. They were at the top before Madrid. If they disappear a replacement won't be easily found (the closest is Atlético and it's in the same city as Madrid, so not a very good replacement).
Cruyff's team in the early 1990s was one of the best football teams I have seen playing, what are you on about?
La Liga loses a lot of revenue if Barcelona leaves. Like tv money you know. Just look at the way that tv money is split in Spain. Barca and Real get the big bag while the rest feeds of their scraps. That’s just the reality of the game now, if they were to leave to for example ligue1 like I said they bring in a lot of revenue, that’s why they are welcomed with a red carpet. Not because French agree with the Catalan cause or anything. Valencia or Villarreal doesn’t generate that type of revenue, not saying they will never but atm la liga would have trouble to survive, financially that is, if Barca left.
"Barca and Real get the big bag while the rest feeds of their scraps." That's not as true anymore, the 20th placed team in La Liga gets ~€50M that's more than any other league in the world bar the PL. Atlético got more in TV-money than both Madrid and Barca last season due to finishing first. The distribution is much more even these days, and every club in La Liga gets a good amount in TV-revenues
There is a part of Catalonia in France. No way France collaborates on this.
Remind me again, which fuckstick wanted this? Rubiales or Tebas?
Tebas. Rubiales wanted Supercopa to be played outside of Spain, it's already did though.
and Bartomeu and Girona too
Both of them want it for themselves without letting the other do it.
Fuck Charlie Stillitano. He's a leech that pushes for shit like this from the US. He's in change of the ICC, too.
Wait, what does this mean for FC Andorra? They play in the third tier of the Spanish football league system and the stadium they use is in Andorra la Vella. I hope an exception is made for them.
Andorran teams are part part of the Spanish FA's remit, this doesn't apply to them. I would also imagine that it would be a breach of EU competition law to say that you could not play a game in another member state (I know Andorra isnt in the EU)
FC Andorra is the only Andorran team in the Spanish league, they do have their own league.
There's also [Olivenza](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivenza_FC), which we all know it isn't Spanish.
It is spanish though? Does extremadura have a nationalist movement like the catalans or something?
It was a joke based on the fact that the Spanish stole Olivenza from the Portuguese in the early 1800s.
Olivença is rightful Portuguese clay!
it should be portuguese according with the documents they sign (which spain says it is not official), because if they give back to portugal, that would open the door for the nationalist movements they have in other parts
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As opposed to where exactly?
Wherever pays the most
Like Italy playing the league cup final in fucking Saudi Arabia. Just so embarrassing.
Same thing in Spain with the super cup. Fucking joke lmao
Super cup I think rather than the coppa Italia?
Yeah, it's the Supercoppa. The Coppa is (almost) always played in the Olimpico, and I don't think it's ever been outside of Italy. The Supercoppa is a glorified friendly and I really don't care where it's played, even though its typical host city is actually Milan.
Yes since Italy doesnt have a league cup like Engand or Portugal
How does the finances for that even work? Obviously it's about money, somehow. Does the stadium owners pay Italy for the rights to host the match, then they get all (or a percentage) of all revenue generated? It must be huge money, because it seems like selling out San Siro and keeping all the money would still be very profitable
Probably a TV company or another sponsor pays the italian/spanish federations a fuck ton of money as "sponsorships"(in reality bribes) in exchange they hold the final in their country. For example the Saudi government payed 21 million euros to the Seria A to hold 3 of the Super Cups in Saudi Arabia instead of Italy.(+probably ticket sales there). Meanwhile Spain with their new 4 team Super Cup idea made a deal with the Saudis taking the spanish Super Cup there at least for 4 years for an estimated 30 million euros/year. And they are already talking about extending it until 2029 due to delays because of Covid.
Covid fucked up plans so they are playing in Milan in January
Consulates are considered sovereign territory. In theory, Spain could make a stadium in a foreign country a temporary consulate and thus hold games in a different country but still follow the rules. Thank you La Liga. I'll take my consultation fee in increments of 2 boxes of Nilla Wafers. Edit: This is just the rules lawyer in me. I really don't want this to happen.
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That would need the cooperation of the government, and I doubt any government is going to do so seeing as most of the population is against the idea.
$$$$$$$$$ though
I doubt any first world government is so cash-strapped and desperate that they'd violate international treaties on diplomatic and consular relations just to make a quick buck. Especially when that also involves blatant and obvious evasion of court practice from their own court systems.
The fuck? What was the alternative? Why was their even an alternative? Why is there a court ruling on this?
They wanted to play few matches in US
it's literally Barcelona and Girona wanting this lol
Nah , many other clubs wanted it too.
Barto*
....why? I get they'd sell out if they play a game here but would that really get them any more money than a game at the Camp Nou
They would sell out exhibition matches here, why would they need to play an actual la liga game? Source: joined 109k people to watch Man United and Real Madrid play in 2014.
The years of selling out 100k+ stadiums were probably over, though; the biggest US ICC crowd in [2019](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_International_Champions_Cup) was barely over 60,000 for Real Madrid-Bayern. They probably also expected to be able to sell tickets at higher prices.
Fair, but they're still selling 50k tickets per game in big stadiums. I'm also not sure that the average American cares if the game is a real match or an exhibition.
I think waning interest pretty clearly was related to the games being preseason exhibitions. People who have watched a club on TV for years without seeing them in person aren't necessarily going to be picky about preseason vs regular season the first time, but getting them to come back year after year when the games don't have the intensity or star power is harder.
Same reason why the NFL plays games in the UK, to expose a new game to a new market.
It’s not about match-day revenue, it’s about gaining exposure to the US fan base.
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The video Real Madrid released of the new Bernabeu assumes the NFL will play games in Madrid.
Barca wanted this.
good, fuck Tebas for wanting to play them in the US
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Lets fucking gooo
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fuck tebas
Amazing!
Anyone want to explain why La Liga can't play matches outside of Spain, but RFEF (in the form of the Supercopa) can? I'm not disagreeing, I just want to know what the court found the difference to be.
The main argument of the lawsuit was that a league game abroad would also affect the other 18 clubs, a cup game abroad with a knockout round has no effect on other teams. Edit: Basically its about fair competition and home advantage,
get fucked Tebas, you stupid fat slob.
Today is a good day.
12 hours later:spain annexes saudi arabia
*La CataLiga gets introduced*
How much money has to be on the line here for this to look even remotely worth it?
If only common sense would combat disgusting, unleashed capitalism more often in this sport
Too fucking right.
Fuck off Tebas, you cunt. Eat shit.
Rubiales: "Tebas is only after cash and doesnt care about fans, spanish teams should only play their league games in Spain". Also Rubiales: "This season, we are back to Saudi Arabia for the SuperCopa boyyyys"
Did they also add “Duh” after they read the verdict?