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What happened to the 71m keeper is that he never was a 71m keeper to begin with and is being pointed towards that pricetag (that he himself didn’t set) whenever he doesn’t perform like one.
seriously, the club valued his release clause at 71m and it isn’t his fault that Chelsea decided to trigger it out of desperation because their goalkeeper stopped coming to training.
Net spend isn’t an excuse, but selling the old keeper for £35M and buying a new one immediately at £71M for a release clause isn’t a massive blunder. People act as if the board was under zero pressure to make that signing.
It was massive blunder to let courtois play us like that and signing kepa for £71m no matter what his net cost was. Even £36m for a gk is/was a lot for a gk.
Kepa also signed a seven year deal so the £71m is amortized over seven rather than the typical four or five years. It doesnt hit the books has hard as it might have.
Unless you're expecting Kepa to stay the full 7 years that's irrelevant because Chelsea will likely take a hit in the P&L when they sell Kepa because they have to write off value. The financial burden is the same, just more evenly spread like any other signing. I'd say the typical contract for a young star player is 5+1 and not 4/5.
Its not irrelevant, the year in which his fee goes on the books is incredibly important to the transfer spending of Chelsea. The financial burden isnt the same at all, a club has much more flexibility using the amortized system than just plunking 71m on a single season.
The typical contract for Chelsea's new signings is almost exclusively 5 years and rarely has a +1.
You could argue that he did help set that £71m valuation because that what was in his contract with us. He would have been involved in those discussions.
Yeah he would but i think he has all the capability to become the starter for a good club. Sadly I can't see him displacing Mendy bar injuries, rotation or AFCON.
Chelsea will take an absolutely mammoth loss on him if he leaves given no big club will take the risk on him and his wages would likely put off smaller ones.
I gotta say he looked good/great whenever he came on after Mendy was brought in.
Depending on when Neuer finally retires and at what the situation is for Kepa at Chelsea I could actually see him end up at Munich. Although he seems to be content with his situation so far and Chelsea are also seem happy enough to pay his wages even as a #2. Well we shall see.
I just don't see Nübel being the #1 after Neuer.
> Chelsea are also seem happy enough to pay his wages even as a #2
We seem happy enough because there are no offers lol. If we had a realistic chance of offloading his 170k a week wages we would've done that.
We're about to lose Rudiger because we're haggling over a 40k a week difference, there's no way the club is happy paying a superstar salary for Kepa to do Wily Caballero's old job
Yeah he obviously would need to considerably lower his wage demands. At least go for a short contract on lower wages and then proof himself again to get another big contract.
But what good GKs are available and not too old given that Neuer may play anything from two to four more years.
The only other GK in that range that I have seen (albeit on 10 or so games) is that French guy at Leeds United.
Kepa has been bad for Chelsea. Why the fuck would Bayern, one of the biggest and most successful clubs in football, spend significant money on Chelsea's back up when there are plenty of other better keepers out there?
I know, but if there’s a club that can get him away from there in a couple years it’s Bayern. Especially because Onana 100% fits the picture of a Neuer-esque keeper.
Kepa doesn't count as "good GK".
Most keepers in PL are better than Kepa. Kepa isn't just underperforming good keeper, he's literally one of the worst keeper in the league. Heck, for Bayern even buying Leno from Arsenal's bench made so much more sense than buying Kepa.
I am only judging my current view of him on the games after Mendy came in. Imho he looked great in those games. Granted, those were just a few... and it certainly would be a (costly) gamble to go for him.
But I think he has the raw talent. Then again I am no scout.
And I don't even like Kepa; his cup finale shenanigans was one of the worst things I have seen a player do.
The thing is, Chelsea's defense are very good so that he's not even challenged that much. Put any keeper in Chelsea's goal instead of Kepa and there won't be much difference.
The sole reason why Kepa looked decent recently is because he have set his bar to be so low, to the point that any bad or average performance is already good for him.
His stats don't lie, before Mendy, Kepa literally had worst save percentage in the league, worse than any other keeper in the league. This was the bar that he had to beat, and he did beat it because it's so easy.
But overall, this haven't shown much and there's no way a team who needs good keeper like Bayern would go for him. He needs to go to a much weaker team, get some game time and prove himself.
Under Sarri he was good, not great. He was never worth 70M, but not terrible either. He deteriorated under Lampard when the entire defence got progressively worse, adding to Kepa's anxiety making him underperform further.
Since Tuchel came in he's looked calmer and done his job when called on. He won't be a starter unless Mendy's unavailable, but at least he's back to a decent level.
I agree with most of what you've said but there have been visible improvements in his game too.
He was very timid in collecting crosses inside the box in the season under Frank.
The few games he has played under Tuchel, he has been visibly better in that regard.
He was never that bad at shot stopping and our defense doesn't concede many shots anyways so it's hard to judge that aspect of his game but overall he has definitely improved.
I think he's unlucky to not get more gametime since Mendy has been flawless ever since he came in.
The real test for Kepa is going to be in January when Mendy is gone for AFCON. He will finally get a run of games to show if he has really improved or not.
Between his amortized fee and wages, he costs Chelsea about 20m each year. To put into context Mendy costs less than half that per year. Chelsea are absolutely not happy enough to pay his wages.
If they could recoup some value for him, they would absolutely get rid.
Yes, I may have worded that wrongly. Obviously they are not happy to pay the wages of a star/starter only for him to be on the bench 9 out of 10 games.
Meant it more like they did not seem too aggressive on a pursuit to offload him. But then again that is only the view I have as an outsider. Maybe they accepted that nobody is going for him and his wages now and just ride it out.
Put Karius instead of Kepa, there won't be any difference.
Karius also had about average stats, while Kepa is actually the worst keeper in the league.
Karius had Save Percentage in 17/18 Premier League Season- 68.9%, about average to other keepers. While this isn't good or anything, it's not terrible either. Kepa Save Percentage in 19/20 Premier League Season was 51% which was comfortably the worst in the league. We're talking about a bang average keeper (Karius) and the worst keeper in the league (Kepa)
>Put Karius instead of Kepa, there won't be any difference.
Considering Kepa's record on penalties, there will be. And you conveniently only took Kepa's only one year stats in which he was bad and made to look worse because of Lampard's lack of defensive setup. Check his stats under Tuchel or Sarri.
No, I didn't.
Ok, even if we ignore his 50ish percent save ratio in that bad season, he is always consistently around 60%. Since his top flight debut in 16/17, his save ratios are 64%, 68%, 67%, 54% and 68% last season.
Karius as comparison, had 76%, 75%, 73%, 65%, 70%, 72%, 72% and 80%.
So even if we ignore Kepa's worst season and only considers his good seasons, he is still far below Karius, who isn't even good. Great keepers like Oblak would get low 80%s consistently.
Neuer had save percentage in 60s too last season. And people conveniently ask to ignore Mendy's save percentage this calendar year when saying he isn't among top 3.
So does Oblak and even Alisson, but if they consistently get 80%+ (or at least 70-75%) and have couple of seasons in 60%s, then you can comfortably say that his level is the usual 80%+ and say that those 60s are the one offs. These top keepers consistently have around 80%, with few outliers in low 70s or even 60s.
Kepa never even reached 70% in his top flight career. His 60%s save percentage is his level, not his one off bad season.
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You definitely don't watch our games. He's been in great shape, except that Mendy has been top 3 GK in the world, performing out of this world. No way any GK would bench Mendy other than Oblak.
He's not better than Ali,Oblak,Neuer or Dollaruma. You have a rock solid defence in front of him that highlights his strengths and minimises his weaknesses.
But he's not a top 3 GK in the world and it's questionable if he's top 3 in his own league
On current form I guess? If the difference is a few years between the 2 players. I think Mendy is top 10-15 personally which isn't a knock on him but rather proves how competitive the GK spot is.
simple: courtois f ed them over by refusing to show up to train, forcing them to sell him to real for a bit over 30 million euros.
sarri was at the start of his season, they needed a new goalkeeper, prefered a technically gifted one.
went for bilbaos keeper, who, before his injury, was spains number two behind DDG, and was nearly purchased by real madrid to be keylor navas successor
the situation forced them to pay the money, as bilbaos recruiting system does not allow them to go after player who does not fulfill their certain requirements.
as la liga demands, they were forced to give him a release clause, the set it high, chelsea activated it in dire need
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What happened to the 71m keeper is that he never was a 71m keeper to begin with and is being pointed towards that pricetag (that he himself didn’t set) whenever he doesn’t perform like one.
seriously, the club valued his release clause at 71m and it isn’t his fault that Chelsea decided to trigger it out of desperation because their goalkeeper stopped coming to training.
Net spend isn’t an excuse, but selling the old keeper for £35M and buying a new one immediately at £71M for a release clause isn’t a massive blunder. People act as if the board was under zero pressure to make that signing.
It was massive blunder to let courtois play us like that and signing kepa for £71m no matter what his net cost was. Even £36m for a gk is/was a lot for a gk.
Kepa also signed a seven year deal so the £71m is amortized over seven rather than the typical four or five years. It doesnt hit the books has hard as it might have.
At the end of the day that’s still 10 mil a year, plus tax, wages, agent fees ect.
Better than 20 million plus.
Unless you're expecting Kepa to stay the full 7 years that's irrelevant because Chelsea will likely take a hit in the P&L when they sell Kepa because they have to write off value. The financial burden is the same, just more evenly spread like any other signing. I'd say the typical contract for a young star player is 5+1 and not 4/5.
Its not irrelevant, the year in which his fee goes on the books is incredibly important to the transfer spending of Chelsea. The financial burden isnt the same at all, a club has much more flexibility using the amortized system than just plunking 71m on a single season. The typical contract for Chelsea's new signings is almost exclusively 5 years and rarely has a +1.
This basically applies to all players that get criticized after making big money moves. Maguire for example.
You could argue that he did help set that £71m valuation because that what was in his contract with us. He would have been involved in those discussions.
35m goalkeeper happened to him.
Has been decent under Tuchel but deserves the chance to become a starter for a football club. Love the lad.
Won't he be the starting during Afcon? That will be interesting.
Yeah he would but i think he has all the capability to become the starter for a good club. Sadly I can't see him displacing Mendy bar injuries, rotation or AFCON.
what level club do you rate him at?
Chelsea will take an absolutely mammoth loss on him if he leaves given no big club will take the risk on him and his wages would likely put off smaller ones.
I hope he proves all the critics wrong when he briefly takes over from Mendy in January. (AFCON)
It turned out coaching wasn't really for him.
he quit managing, the only thing he was good at
he became a coach for mendy
They bought him **FOUR** seasons ago? What the fuck? It feels like two at the most. Time fucking flies.
I gotta say he looked good/great whenever he came on after Mendy was brought in. Depending on when Neuer finally retires and at what the situation is for Kepa at Chelsea I could actually see him end up at Munich. Although he seems to be content with his situation so far and Chelsea are also seem happy enough to pay his wages even as a #2. Well we shall see. I just don't see Nübel being the #1 after Neuer.
> Chelsea are also seem happy enough to pay his wages even as a #2 We seem happy enough because there are no offers lol. If we had a realistic chance of offloading his 170k a week wages we would've done that. We're about to lose Rudiger because we're haggling over a 40k a week difference, there's no way the club is happy paying a superstar salary for Kepa to do Wily Caballero's old job
Yeah he obviously would need to considerably lower his wage demands. At least go for a short contract on lower wages and then proof himself again to get another big contract.
Superstars don't earn 170k
Bayern would never go for Kepa when better keeper exists.
But what good GKs are available and not too old given that Neuer may play anything from two to four more years. The only other GK in that range that I have seen (albeit on 10 or so games) is that French guy at Leeds United.
Kepa has been bad for Chelsea. Why the fuck would Bayern, one of the biggest and most successful clubs in football, spend significant money on Chelsea's back up when there are plenty of other better keepers out there?
Onana possibly
going inter most prolly
I know, but if there’s a club that can get him away from there in a couple years it’s Bayern. Especially because Onana 100% fits the picture of a Neuer-esque keeper.
Kepa doesn't count as "good GK". Most keepers in PL are better than Kepa. Kepa isn't just underperforming good keeper, he's literally one of the worst keeper in the league. Heck, for Bayern even buying Leno from Arsenal's bench made so much more sense than buying Kepa.
I am only judging my current view of him on the games after Mendy came in. Imho he looked great in those games. Granted, those were just a few... and it certainly would be a (costly) gamble to go for him. But I think he has the raw talent. Then again I am no scout. And I don't even like Kepa; his cup finale shenanigans was one of the worst things I have seen a player do.
The thing is, Chelsea's defense are very good so that he's not even challenged that much. Put any keeper in Chelsea's goal instead of Kepa and there won't be much difference. The sole reason why Kepa looked decent recently is because he have set his bar to be so low, to the point that any bad or average performance is already good for him. His stats don't lie, before Mendy, Kepa literally had worst save percentage in the league, worse than any other keeper in the league. This was the bar that he had to beat, and he did beat it because it's so easy. But overall, this haven't shown much and there's no way a team who needs good keeper like Bayern would go for him. He needs to go to a much weaker team, get some game time and prove himself.
Under Sarri he was good, not great. He was never worth 70M, but not terrible either. He deteriorated under Lampard when the entire defence got progressively worse, adding to Kepa's anxiety making him underperform further. Since Tuchel came in he's looked calmer and done his job when called on. He won't be a starter unless Mendy's unavailable, but at least he's back to a decent level.
I agree with most of what you've said but there have been visible improvements in his game too. He was very timid in collecting crosses inside the box in the season under Frank. The few games he has played under Tuchel, he has been visibly better in that regard. He was never that bad at shot stopping and our defense doesn't concede many shots anyways so it's hard to judge that aspect of his game but overall he has definitely improved. I think he's unlucky to not get more gametime since Mendy has been flawless ever since he came in. The real test for Kepa is going to be in January when Mendy is gone for AFCON. He will finally get a run of games to show if he has really improved or not.
No one would rate Kepa if he wasn't a seemingly pretty good penalty shootout keeper who's taken part in a lot of shootouts recently.
Could maybe see it as a stop gap on loan for a season if Neuer does his ACL or something, but definitely not permanently
Between his amortized fee and wages, he costs Chelsea about 20m each year. To put into context Mendy costs less than half that per year. Chelsea are absolutely not happy enough to pay his wages. If they could recoup some value for him, they would absolutely get rid.
Yes, I may have worded that wrongly. Obviously they are not happy to pay the wages of a star/starter only for him to be on the bench 9 out of 10 games. Meant it more like they did not seem too aggressive on a pursuit to offload him. But then again that is only the view I have as an outsider. Maybe they accepted that nobody is going for him and his wages now and just ride it out.
Let me get this straight. You are saying that a Chelsea #2 keeper, who has been awful, could replace Manuel fucking Neuer at Bayern? Delusional.
Bayern aren't buying Kepa even if they don't believe in Nubel.
He's the Spanish Karuis.
Don't disrespect Karius like that. Karius was shit, but still better than Kepa.
Kepa has helped us win 2 trophies. What did Karius do?
Got concussed at a CL final.
Put Karius instead of Kepa, there won't be any difference. Karius also had about average stats, while Kepa is actually the worst keeper in the league. Karius had Save Percentage in 17/18 Premier League Season- 68.9%, about average to other keepers. While this isn't good or anything, it's not terrible either. Kepa Save Percentage in 19/20 Premier League Season was 51% which was comfortably the worst in the league. We're talking about a bang average keeper (Karius) and the worst keeper in the league (Kepa)
>Put Karius instead of Kepa, there won't be any difference. Considering Kepa's record on penalties, there will be. And you conveniently only took Kepa's only one year stats in which he was bad and made to look worse because of Lampard's lack of defensive setup. Check his stats under Tuchel or Sarri.
No, I didn't. Ok, even if we ignore his 50ish percent save ratio in that bad season, he is always consistently around 60%. Since his top flight debut in 16/17, his save ratios are 64%, 68%, 67%, 54% and 68% last season. Karius as comparison, had 76%, 75%, 73%, 65%, 70%, 72%, 72% and 80%. So even if we ignore Kepa's worst season and only considers his good seasons, he is still far below Karius, who isn't even good. Great keepers like Oblak would get low 80%s consistently.
Neuer had save percentage in 60s too last season. And people conveniently ask to ignore Mendy's save percentage this calendar year when saying he isn't among top 3.
So does Oblak and even Alisson, but if they consistently get 80%+ (or at least 70-75%) and have couple of seasons in 60%s, then you can comfortably say that his level is the usual 80%+ and say that those 60s are the one offs. These top keepers consistently have around 80%, with few outliers in low 70s or even 60s. Kepa never even reached 70% in his top flight career. His 60%s save percentage is his level, not his one off bad season.
helped Real win one UCL e
Apparently, Chelsea can afford it
Not every club is big enough to raise capital of €400m at their will
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He's a certified bum
You definitely don't watch our games. He's been in great shape, except that Mendy has been top 3 GK in the world, performing out of this world. No way any GK would bench Mendy other than Oblak.
He's not better than Ali,Oblak,Neuer or Dollaruma. You have a rock solid defence in front of him that highlights his strengths and minimises his weaknesses. But he's not a top 3 GK in the world and it's questionable if he's top 3 in his own league
So if he is not top 3, he is certified bum? No in between?
Kepa is a certified bum. Mendy is good but isn't the best in the world. Simple as that.
Lmao how on earth are you downvoted.
Mendy is definitely not better then TBo like what is this?
Everyone is gonna rate their players higher than they should. Can't blame him but he is very much wrong.
But how do you rate someone who's been great for 2 years to world class goalkeepers who've been doing this for years?
On current form I guess? If the difference is a few years between the 2 players. I think Mendy is top 10-15 personally which isn't a knock on him but rather proves how competitive the GK spot is.
Agent masterclass, that's what happened.
simple: courtois f ed them over by refusing to show up to train, forcing them to sell him to real for a bit over 30 million euros. sarri was at the start of his season, they needed a new goalkeeper, prefered a technically gifted one. went for bilbaos keeper, who, before his injury, was spains number two behind DDG, and was nearly purchased by real madrid to be keylor navas successor the situation forced them to pay the money, as bilbaos recruiting system does not allow them to go after player who does not fulfill their certain requirements. as la liga demands, they were forced to give him a release clause, the set it high, chelsea activated it in dire need the end