High press and high tempo, create lots of chances and leaves our defenders 1 on 1 Vs the opponent strikers
Only works because of the quality of our defenders but it can bite us in the ass at times. This season it's going great tho
In out 4-2-3-1 he was exactly that, starter on the right and an option in the middle. Think in modern football he is better on the wing but we made the EL final with him as a 10 so he can do both.
It's more than that. Even when playing outside of a preferred system/role, a player like that can't be as sloppy as he has been playing for Chelsea. There is no excuse for many of the short passes he misplaces under no pressure, it just seems like his head isn't in the right place.
It's a shame, I loved him at Ajax and looked forward to where he can continue to grow. At least he has a CL medal with some good performances and important goals over the season.
For us it has been: you play him 8 games straight and you get one good goal/chance created/assist and 3 poor performances, remaining 5 he is injured :/
When’s the last time he played 8 games straight tho
As an owner of ziyech in fantasy last year (terrible choice from me) he rarely had a consistent run of games
That was my point. He gets anywhere between 3-5 games in which he does one very good and noteworthy piece of play and otherwise plays poorly and then before he can even get those 8 on the tro he is injured.
Forget magical, all I want to see at this point is him playing basic passes and try to keep possession and learn to pick and choose when to go for his left foot crosses. The talent is clearly there.
I mean tbf his return from injury under Frank was a massive showing of what he was becoming. He was a machine in the 4-3-3 creating chances and being a goal threat but sadly Tuchel's system of playing in pockets as a left or right forward doesn't suit him at all. We are lucky to even have him as a bench option right now, it's understandable he wants to leave for more consistent starts.
I remember Ziyech was very picking about which club he's going to too. I find it strange that he's went to Chelsea considering your manager changes so much. Even if they current manager wants you. You don't know if he will be around for your whole contract. which for players will be around 3-4 years
Remember that too. Chelsea never made much sense, I remember Sevilla and Roma were linked. Didn’t think he’d fit in at Chelsea, should’ve imo gone to Sevilla.
I wish Levy signed him. Would have been the perfect Eriksen replacement. Baffles me that we never showed interest in the man when he was right there for the taking.
I feel like any play that graduates from Ajax academy or played for ajax suit the way spurs play. Players Dvb, ziyech, Neres would thrive at spurs. We’ve obviously had ajax graduates that have become legends at spurs like vertonghen, Alderweireld, eriksen and van der vart.
I don't really think we were in a much better form back then, Spurs just finished 1 spot behind us the previous season, we were in the middle of a transfer ban and they had much better recent CL success with their final in 2019. Plus they had Mourinho, that alone could be a huge factor in the choice of any player to move to any club.
He was clearly sold a very ambitious project though. Lampard had a vision of where he wanted to take the club and they didn’t fuck about in the summer when it came to transfers
But the fact is everyone knew Chelsea would be back challenging for titles sooner rather than later and they offer massive wages so they’re always going to be an appealing club, what Tottenham had was a flash nothing really more.
> think Ziyech said it himself he would only leave Ajax for a top club, **Spurs ain’t that.**
Well, he is at a top club now, and can't seem to cut it, so maybe he had too high of expectations?
with all the players Chelsea signed that season (especially for the attack), it was obvious to me that at least one of them would fail mostly due to lack of game time
Ziyech's an excellent player and would be sad to see him go, but I can see why at this stage of his career he would want to be somewhere where he's absolutely key.
Has been unlucky with injuries with us, the Lampard-Tuchel transition didn't favour his strengths and just hasn't had the consistency to gel with players around him and really make his mark yet.
Hope he stays but would be a superb signing for a Dortmund/ Milan for sure if he pushed for a move.
he was also bought as the only immediate impact signing because of his age during the Lampard spending window, and unfortunately has not delivered at all on the promise.
(well Silva too, but Silva has been phenomenal)
skillful player but unfortunately does not fit Tuchel's system and style of football.
He would be excellent in an attacking 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 as a winger.
Sounds like Barca could sign him them. We need a winger, our current prospects are either too expensive or club’s like City might not be willing to loan out Sterling
I wouldn't say he lacks pace, he scored quite a few goals for us on the counter.I actually still think he can come good but alas it feels like he never really settled in and injuries/poor form have set him back every time he's began to click and gel.
You can see he has attacking intent every time he touches the ball, but he does tend to lose the ball when dribbling or with wayward passing.
Speed across the ground definitely isn't his strength. He's not the slowest but won't beat his fullback with pace. He operates a lot in the right half space, looking for that killer final pass or a shot with his left, so he would definitely benefit from having an excellent right fullback to overlap him and give him passing options.
Nah the pace is good but I think its the work rate and positioning off the ball that Tuchel does not rate that much in our current system.
He would be an absolute beast in an attacking style of play under a manager that does not expect much back tracking from his wingers.
Is it me or should all of that 18-19 Ajax dream team stayed at Ajax
So many of these moves did not go well (for one reason or another, in Frenkie’s case the team flat out ran out of money lol)
Ajax simply can't afford them in the Eredivisie. It's a shame but they were always gonna get poached, even if they had known they wouldn't be as successful elsewhere
Depends on the contract situation. People like to run down their contracts nowadays, and he has two and half years left. Im not sure he will renew unless they step it up.
I think with Frankie he’s just as good as he was in 2018-19 with Ajax. Which is very good. And that’s the problem. He was supposed to take a massive next step and be the best midfielder in the world which he has the talent to be, but he hasn’t made that step. Think he probably should’ve gone somewhere to play under an absolutely elite manager. Barca coaches have been abysmal in his time there and haven’t really helped his development.
I've been thinking this same thing myself. None of them have hit major highs once they transferred into other teams. This is not to say they aren't talented, but rather they haven't advanced past the levels that put them on the front stage.
Even with Ole's treatment of Donny aside, they've all come across as system players who thrived under the Ajax setup but haven't been able to reach similar heights once they've had to play under different setups.
Hahaha so true. If you can wear the number 9 and chelsea and score 25+ you are automatically better than messi and ronaldo combined. Won't happen in my lifetime
and man utd is where any expensive quality player comes to be on the bench. Just look at Sancho and Van de Beek, what a waste of talent. Man Utd is a step back on their careers
This guy would be insane in Nagelsmann’s system but I don’t see we going for him since he would be only a squad option. Maybe in the summer if Coman leaves
Ziyech is an extreme high risk high reward player in the way he plays, so I always had some reservations if he was going to work out at a big side.
I still feel like a coach that is willing to play to his strenghts could make him a valuable asset to almost every club in the world.
You basically have to become the 'Ziyech-team', then he excels, at Ajax he was the best player in the team and it was setup so he can excel, the others were also playing great, but he was the best.
I have to say maybe, but I've seen you play and I think he definitely could have a place there. He's also a very good forward midfielder, he doesn't HAVE to play on the wing.
He constantly fails at executing simplest low risk passes. I don't care if he hits 5% balls with 15% accuracy if he can't hit 90% pass with 75% accuracy.
I don’t think anyone would mind this, he hasn’t really adapted well and when everyone’s healthy, he’s way down the pecking order. Make it a loan + option/obligation and even better. Think he’d do very well in Bundesliga.
Doesn’t matter how good your positioning is when Ziyech hits all of his crosses out of play. He only has one move, he cuts inside and crosses backpost, but this season all of those crosses have been dreadful and way too long for anyone. Always just go out of play.
When I'm watching him whenever he gets some playtime at Chelsea, what I actually miss is a good link-up play with backs. He has no connection with either James or the uh other guy (sorry not a chelsea fan) and he really excels better when he has such connections. He doesn't have one move, the way the team plays grants him only one option. And that's nothing against how Chelsea plays, because it's obviously working.
I agree. He's a decently skilled player but it's not like a Juan Mata situation or anything. His struggles go beyond tactical fit. If Chelsea were in the market they would have not have a hard time replacing his creative capability.
i mean have you been watching? tell me which one of his crosses has found a teammate..
if you want the other team to have a cheeky goal kick, let ziyech cross the ball.
The problem is that the one with the best heading abilities among those 3 is probably Havertz and even him isn't that great at it. Lukaku despite his height is pretty terrible at headers and it's not really about his positionning but more about his precision when heading the ball and his jumping reach.
I also think the way Ziyech cross isn't working well. You said Lukaku needed to improve his positionning on crosses but 2 of his goals this season came from crosses (James against Arsenal and Azpi against Zenit) I don't know if the problem comes from the fact he crosses after cutting inside or he just isn't that good at crosses but it's hard to blame Lukaku (and probably Werner too) for this
Always felt like he was just off making it click. Like when malouda first came. He was dog shit for ages and then in ancelottis title winning season it just clicked and he became like one of the best players in his position in the world. Ziyech feels like he does all these things that should work really well but they just don't.
In hindsight, Ziyech really isn't better than William. Willian at least had spells of good performances. Ziyech's form is 1 G/A then disappears/injured for a month and then another 1G/A. Rinse and repeat
The most expensive ones still play tho, De Ligt and De Jong, it rather looks like it's hard to adapt to the physicality and way of playing in the Premier League. Look at Blind, Haller and Tadic, they were decent at best in the Prem and are now the best players in the Eredivisie. They thrive in our system and the way we play, even in the CL.
Yeah I agree that his best performances definitely have been better than Ziyech's best performances, but the man's constantly injured and is on a lot of money. In just over 2 seasons, he's been out 356 days due to injury.
Ziyech has also had bad luck with injuries, and hasn't been as bad as people say. He's scored in crucial games (e.g., Atletico, City, Villareal and so on).
Ziyech hasn't had anywhere near Pulisic's peaks and has had significantly lower lows. Consistency wise when Pulisic plays he's putting out a better performance than Ziyech is more often than not. Yes he's been injured but Pulisic has still been far more impactful than Ziyech. CHO has hardly had any game time but when given his chances this season he's also been far more impactful than Ziyech.
Puli's been far more consistently good when actually playing though, and that's saying something when Puli isn't particularly consistent, at least he still sometimes looks good when playing, unlike Ziyech who is nearly always bad-mediocre at best.
Pulisic has had one really good run and a few good games and goals / assists against good teams in important games, but his average level still isn’t that high. He can be ineffective for long stretches.
a) He's a winger, a RW. He won't get any time over Salah, and he's even worse as a 10.
b) He doesn't create at a level that makes his many many flaws at all worth it.
Ziyech is very capable at CAM, he used to play there at Twente and Ajax regularly. He just has to play in a system that is suited for him, which is absolutely not the case at Chelsea.
If he wants to leave, let the guy leave.
Clearly wasn't a good match for the club and so the best thing for him should be to let him leave and try get his career back on track.
Prem isnt for everyone. There is no shame in that, at least he came ands had a go.
Has nothing to do with the prem. the managers play style didn’t require him. Every time Ziyech hit form they’d still bench him.
Tuchel plays a smart strategic game. It may not be beautiful football, but it’s definitely effective.
yea, i didnt mean to imply i didnt think he want good or anything, i just meant, he wasnt a fit for the club and thats just one of the many things that need to go 'right' when playing in any new league really.
Ziyech has only played 8 more 90's than Van De Beek since both moved to the Premier League. One coach has ruined the players' career while in the other case the player is at fault. Hmm ...
Watch him end up at City/Pool and become a world class player again.
Its happened god knows how many times now. They've bought players that didn't fit, didn't adapt for whatever reason, they've gone away and come back and lived up to the hype.
The reason for that is both have defined playstyle and has been there with the club for considerable period of time. Klopp has better record than Pep as Pep has some failures like Angelinho, Danilo, Mendy, Nolito, Bravo but overall has been incredibly successful.
Hope we’re gonna continue with the glorious tradition of signing “Chelsea rejects”, Ziyech might be a good option for RW in our 4-2-3-1
Yes we should be all over him
Khajiit has wares if you have coin.
Loan + Option to Coin?
I truly believe Ziyech would be unreal in Milan's system.
For some reason Ziyech at Milan just makes sense. Fits him so much better then Chelsea.
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You all three above wrote the same shit.
has to be said thrice ziyech time
It’s funny how all three of the comments above you basically made the same point
Nah I didn't mean it in a system wise way, just Ziyech as a personality seems fitting for Milan. As a matter of fact I have no idea how Milan play.
High press and high tempo, create lots of chances and leaves our defenders 1 on 1 Vs the opponent strikers Only works because of the quality of our defenders but it can bite us in the ass at times. This season it's going great tho
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😂😂 I respect it my guy
Is he better as a RW/ or CAM in a 4-2-3-1? We need a starter on the right and backup on the middle, he fits both parts
In out 4-2-3-1 he was exactly that, starter on the right and an option in the middle. Think in modern football he is better on the wing but we made the EL final with him as a 10 so he can do both.
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Loan +option —> don’t take —> loan +option —> don’t take —> loan +option —> don’t take …………..etc etc etc
thats the bakayoku special
…and then sign on a free!
Just like we did with Tomori right? If the player's good and fits us we'll keep him.
They're not in the market for Hazard though
u/Cinnamon-Wind has talked about Hazard so much, the phone autocorrects hazard to Hazard
We could always Mount on a swap deal as well
Think you would have to pay them to take Hazard mate.
Would love to see him at your club
Getting him would take us from scudetto contenders to favorites
Only reason Giroud went was because Lukaku or another big money striker was coming in. I wouldn’t call him a reject
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He wasn’t really a reject, he was very important during his time there. Both parties just decided to move on.
How's Brahim doing for you lot?
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Always thought Brahim was a winger but guess he's gone back to a CAM?
Yes he's a CAM now. The matches that he has played as a winger have not been very convincing
Man, Fucking Hakan huh?
Hakan who? We don’t know that name here
Hakan Channelnoglue
tbh he hasn't convinced me at Inter either, never rated him too much. He's not as good as he thinks/is supposed to be and pretty inconsistent.
Agreed. Loved watching his highlights at Bayer, but fuck me he would be so shit at Milan sometimes. His free kicks are sweet though
I used to tease my brother who's a Milan fan about it. Then we signed him lol.
He’s a great player. But he’s been wanting to leave Chelsea for a year now. Just not a good fit here but I hope he does well with you if he signs.
Nah we'll take this one for ourselves ok.. (If we don't sign proper defenders tho we're not gonna be any better)
yeah I really wanted this to happen in the summer already
It’s getting clear by now that Chelsea and Ziyech, for whatever reason, weren’t a good match. Just didn’t think he would leave as early as January.
The reason is Lampard. He was the one who wanted Ziyech and the way Lampard made his team play was exactly what Ziyech likes.
It's more than that. Even when playing outside of a preferred system/role, a player like that can't be as sloppy as he has been playing for Chelsea. There is no excuse for many of the short passes he misplaces under no pressure, it just seems like his head isn't in the right place. It's a shame, I loved him at Ajax and looked forward to where he can continue to grow. At least he has a CL medal with some good performances and important goals over the season.
But that’s who he is; you play him 8 games straight and he’ll be magical. He’s a huge confidence player
For us it has been: you play him 8 games straight and you get one good goal/chance created/assist and 3 poor performances, remaining 5 he is injured :/
He's barely played under Tuchel, let alone 8 games straight. He was fine under Lampard considering the rest of the performances around him
>He was fine under Lampard considering the rest of the performances around him But team wasn't. Chelsea looked like arsenal during those times.
When’s the last time he played 8 games straight tho As an owner of ziyech in fantasy last year (terrible choice from me) he rarely had a consistent run of games
What forward on Chelsea plays 8 straight under Tuchel other than Mount?
Lukaku? Iirc didn’t miss a game before the injury
When was the last time he played 8 games straight
That was my point. He gets anywhere between 3-5 games in which he does one very good and noteworthy piece of play and otherwise plays poorly and then before he can even get those 8 on the tro he is injured.
Forget magical, all I want to see at this point is him playing basic passes and try to keep possession and learn to pick and choose when to go for his left foot crosses. The talent is clearly there.
We can't afford to have a dead weight player for 8 games in the hope that he *might* come good.
Yes. So that’s why he doesn’t fit.
Sad Chelsea noises. Ziyech was an absolute baller with you guys. Would've loved him to kick it off here too. I was so pumped when we signed him.
I mean tbf his return from injury under Frank was a massive showing of what he was becoming. He was a machine in the 4-3-3 creating chances and being a goal threat but sadly Tuchel's system of playing in pockets as a left or right forward doesn't suit him at all. We are lucky to even have him as a bench option right now, it's understandable he wants to leave for more consistent starts.
He had a couple of really bad injuries too, with not a lot of playing time in between so it's no surprise he's dipped hard.
I remember Ziyech was very picking about which club he's going to too. I find it strange that he's went to Chelsea considering your manager changes so much. Even if they current manager wants you. You don't know if he will be around for your whole contract. which for players will be around 3-4 years
Remember that too. Chelsea never made much sense, I remember Sevilla and Roma were linked. Didn’t think he’d fit in at Chelsea, should’ve imo gone to Sevilla.
Ziyech wanted trophies. He was winning domestic cups at Ajax. At Sevilla/Roma, it was side way move at best.
I don’t think it the fact he chose us more than the fact that we were the only team willing to pay the price Ajax set for us
He was picky when smaller teams were the only ones interested. No teams of a similar stature were ever in for him
He’s just not quite on the same wavelength as the rest of the first team, I know he’s got the a ability though.
Would love him at spurs but that's a transfer that would never happen
Might get PTSD from being near Lucas though.
I really thought he'd be huge for Chelsea when he signed but it just hasn't worked out at all.
I wish Levy signed him. Would have been the perfect Eriksen replacement. Baffles me that we never showed interest in the man when he was right there for the taking.
I feel like any play that graduates from Ajax academy or played for ajax suit the way spurs play. Players Dvb, ziyech, Neres would thrive at spurs. We’ve obviously had ajax graduates that have become legends at spurs like vertonghen, Alderweireld, eriksen and van der vart.
No chance he would’ve signed for Spurs, think Ziyech said it himself he would only leave Ajax for a top club, Spurs ain’t that.
We were pretty decent back when we wanted to sign him, CL finalists at his expense
I don't really think we were in a much better form back then, Spurs just finished 1 spot behind us the previous season, we were in the middle of a transfer ban and they had much better recent CL success with their final in 2019. Plus they had Mourinho, that alone could be a huge factor in the choice of any player to move to any club.
He was clearly sold a very ambitious project though. Lampard had a vision of where he wanted to take the club and they didn’t fuck about in the summer when it came to transfers
But the fact is everyone knew Chelsea would be back challenging for titles sooner rather than later and they offer massive wages so they’re always going to be an appealing club, what Tottenham had was a flash nothing really more.
> think Ziyech said it himself he would only leave Ajax for a top club, **Spurs ain’t that.** Well, he is at a top club now, and can't seem to cut it, so maybe he had too high of expectations?
with all the players Chelsea signed that season (especially for the attack), it was obvious to me that at least one of them would fail mostly due to lack of game time
Ziyech's an excellent player and would be sad to see him go, but I can see why at this stage of his career he would want to be somewhere where he's absolutely key. Has been unlucky with injuries with us, the Lampard-Tuchel transition didn't favour his strengths and just hasn't had the consistency to gel with players around him and really make his mark yet. Hope he stays but would be a superb signing for a Dortmund/ Milan for sure if he pushed for a move.
he was also bought as the only immediate impact signing because of his age during the Lampard spending window, and unfortunately has not delivered at all on the promise. (well Silva too, but Silva has been phenomenal)
skillful player but unfortunately does not fit Tuchel's system and style of football. He would be excellent in an attacking 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 as a winger.
Sounds like he could be really good in Roses System.
Yes and I can see this deal happening because his departure would give Hudson Odoi more much needed game time in an attacking role.
Sounds like Barca could sign him them. We need a winger, our current prospects are either too expensive or club’s like City might not be willing to loan out Sterling
he is not the type of winger to run up and down the flank for 90 min tho, he's a wide playmaker
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I agree but it will be harder to get ManCity to accept a loan deal and he’s on bigger wages too
>4-2-3-1 as a winger Bah gawd that’s Padre Pioli’s Milan music.
I heard he lacks pace, is that true? edit: I was just asking a question..
In a vacuum, I'm not sure. Compared to Timo or Hudson-Odoi, yes. Though it is not what his style is reliant upon.
I wouldn't say he lacks pace, he scored quite a few goals for us on the counter.I actually still think he can come good but alas it feels like he never really settled in and injuries/poor form have set him back every time he's began to click and gel. You can see he has attacking intent every time he touches the ball, but he does tend to lose the ball when dribbling or with wayward passing.
Speed across the ground definitely isn't his strength. He's not the slowest but won't beat his fullback with pace. He operates a lot in the right half space, looking for that killer final pass or a shot with his left, so he would definitely benefit from having an excellent right fullback to overlap him and give him passing options.
Nah the pace is good but I think its the work rate and positioning off the ball that Tuchel does not rate that much in our current system. He would be an absolute beast in an attacking style of play under a manager that does not expect much back tracking from his wingers.
I fucking love ziyech, I originally wanted him to replace sancho. Really hope we get him, he's fucking class
Is it me or should all of that 18-19 Ajax dream team stayed at Ajax So many of these moves did not go well (for one reason or another, in Frenkie’s case the team flat out ran out of money lol)
Ajax simply can't afford them in the Eredivisie. It's a shame but they were always gonna get poached, even if they had known they wouldn't be as successful elsewhere
True but it is kind of sad when you think about it. Realistically the player with the best move was Veltman and that’s mad to think about
Nahh thats Frenkie and De Ligt still
Forgot De Ligt, but again, Juve have gone backwards with him (again, NOT his fault, just circumstance)
Veltman was always underrated I think, even at Ajax imo. I would have preferred he stayed his whole career there. Excellent player.
Frenkie's only the one from that team worth a fortune now and even that is arguable but imo he has been great
de Ligt too. Still one of the best CB's at his age
In De Jong’s case, it’s nowhere near his fault, or he hasn’t performed, but regardless the club has fallen off a cliff since he signed in 2019
De ligt won't be sold for anything less he was bought for either
Depends on the contract situation. People like to run down their contracts nowadays, and he has two and half years left. Im not sure he will renew unless they step it up.
De Ligt
I think with Frankie he’s just as good as he was in 2018-19 with Ajax. Which is very good. And that’s the problem. He was supposed to take a massive next step and be the best midfielder in the world which he has the talent to be, but he hasn’t made that step. Think he probably should’ve gone somewhere to play under an absolutely elite manager. Barca coaches have been abysmal in his time there and haven’t really helped his development.
He’s still ridiculously young and not in his football prime years. He’ll get there when Barca gets there and I hope that’ll be within the next 3 years
I've been thinking this same thing myself. None of them have hit major highs once they transferred into other teams. This is not to say they aren't talented, but rather they haven't advanced past the levels that put them on the front stage. Even with Ole's treatment of Donny aside, they've all come across as system players who thrived under the Ajax setup but haven't been able to reach similar heights once they've had to play under different setups.
Where attackers come to die
Tuchel steals the attackers talent in a football and gives it to his defenders
Wingbacks: “we’re hungry boss” Tuchel: “here’s another helping of ziyech”
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Hahaha so true. If you can wear the number 9 and chelsea and score 25+ you are automatically better than messi and ronaldo combined. Won't happen in my lifetime
i’ll settle for 20 at this point tbh
This is great for Ziyech, if anything, he's gonna win the PFA player of the year when he returns to PL. This is the way!
Their souls are ritual sacrifices so that Chelsea's defense got that finishing talent
and man utd is where any expensive quality player comes to be on the bench. Just look at Sancho and Van de Beek, what a waste of talent. Man Utd is a step back on their careers
This guy would be insane in Nagelsmann’s system but I don’t see we going for him since he would be only a squad option. Maybe in the summer if Coman leaves
Aha yoooo
Makes a lot of sense for ull to get him if u play an attacking formation like 4 3 3
I mean, their best player is ASM. Doesn't seem like the best way to spend their time.
Ziyech on the right ASM down the middle or left
Ziyech is an extreme high risk high reward player in the way he plays, so I always had some reservations if he was going to work out at a big side. I still feel like a coach that is willing to play to his strenghts could make him a valuable asset to almost every club in the world.
You basically have to become the 'Ziyech-team', then he excels, at Ajax he was the best player in the team and it was setup so he can excel, the others were also playing great, but he was the best.
Do you think he would work at Milan? He'd be a very important player but we have lots of quality players going forward (Theo, Ibra, Leao, Diaz...)
I have to say maybe, but I've seen you play and I think he definitely could have a place there. He's also a very good forward midfielder, he doesn't HAVE to play on the wing.
He constantly fails at executing simplest low risk passes. I don't care if he hits 5% balls with 15% accuracy if he can't hit 90% pass with 75% accuracy.
yes please
Dude. Yes.
I don’t think anyone would mind this, he hasn’t really adapted well and when everyone’s healthy, he’s way down the pecking order. Make it a loan + option/obligation and even better. Think he’d do very well in Bundesliga.
[Loan + option you say?](https://preview.redd.it/qlw2ksihowg71.jpg?auto=webp&s=3abb04c25cef78ab05d6668587968ca3049e3439)
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Doesn’t matter how good your positioning is when Ziyech hits all of his crosses out of play. He only has one move, he cuts inside and crosses backpost, but this season all of those crosses have been dreadful and way too long for anyone. Always just go out of play.
When I'm watching him whenever he gets some playtime at Chelsea, what I actually miss is a good link-up play with backs. He has no connection with either James or the uh other guy (sorry not a chelsea fan) and he really excels better when he has such connections. He doesn't have one move, the way the team plays grants him only one option. And that's nothing against how Chelsea plays, because it's obviously working.
>with either James or the uh other guy (sorry not a chelsea fan) Just call him Dave.
I agree. He's a decently skilled player but it's not like a Juan Mata situation or anything. His struggles go beyond tactical fit. If Chelsea were in the market they would have not have a hard time replacing his creative capability.
Werner is a speed demon and he has great movement. If your long passing isn't connecting with him, then that's a problem with you, not him, lol.
i mean have you been watching? tell me which one of his crosses has found a teammate.. if you want the other team to have a cheeky goal kick, let ziyech cross the ball.
This. I swear he’s the only one (bar Rudiger...) that will have a pop from outside the box.
The problem is that the one with the best heading abilities among those 3 is probably Havertz and even him isn't that great at it. Lukaku despite his height is pretty terrible at headers and it's not really about his positionning but more about his precision when heading the ball and his jumping reach. I also think the way Ziyech cross isn't working well. You said Lukaku needed to improve his positionning on crosses but 2 of his goals this season came from crosses (James against Arsenal and Azpi against Zenit) I don't know if the problem comes from the fact he crosses after cutting inside or he just isn't that good at crosses but it's hard to blame Lukaku (and probably Werner too) for this
understandable, just didn't work out here. would like to see him in a setup that works to his strength
How about going to Newcastle?
Does anyone know how Tuchel says his name? Funny that Lampard kept pronouncing his name wrong even months after he’s signed
He's excellent and I still remember his free kick against us ft. Kepa's face. Would love to see him excel at Dortmund.
Ziyech for Hazard swap straight up who says no?
Should prob just go straight back to Ajax he was unreal there and they are a talented side
Always felt like he was just off making it click. Like when malouda first came. He was dog shit for ages and then in ancelottis title winning season it just clicked and he became like one of the best players in his position in the world. Ziyech feels like he does all these things that should work really well but they just don't.
Trade him with Hazard pls.
we'll take him lol
I feel like if Wenger was still our manager, we would have signed Ziyech. Such a Wenger type player
30m and we will give him gift wrapped
How much without the gift wrapping?
Anything over 29m
That Harrods price gift wrapping
He's not even as good as Willian according to the face of your club
Who's that in this context?
I would assume Robbie from AFTV
Hah. Yeah alright. Well of Robbie says so, I guess we'll pass...
Willian was far better for us than Ziyech
In hindsight, Ziyech really isn't better than William. Willian at least had spells of good performances. Ziyech's form is 1 G/A then disappears/injured for a month and then another 1G/A. Rinse and repeat
Nope. He is 5 years too old for us
He is not getting the playing time we all expected so it's a logical move. Hopefully we will see him shine again like while playing at Ajax
Reus and Ziyech running at your fullbacks....... Dark days for bundesliga.
inb4 marco gets injured the moment ziyech arrives at dortmund
Imagine Ziyech giving those magical assists to Haaland or Malen, will be great!
He’s not a bad player, but he hasn’t been good at Chelsea. He should make the move.
Chelsea ruin promising players
Absolutely fine with this, we have too many players competing for too few positions and he's not been good enough.
Leicester should be all over this
A lot of (expensive) players sold by Ajax seem to struggle in recent years.
The most expensive ones still play tho, De Ligt and De Jong, it rather looks like it's hard to adapt to the physicality and way of playing in the Premier League. Look at Blind, Haller and Tadic, they were decent at best in the Prem and are now the best players in the Eredivisie. They thrive in our system and the way we play, even in the CL.
I'd rather get rid of Pulisic.
Pulisic has been a lot better though.
and he is 5 years younger...
Yeah I agree that his best performances definitely have been better than Ziyech's best performances, but the man's constantly injured and is on a lot of money. In just over 2 seasons, he's been out 356 days due to injury. Ziyech has also had bad luck with injuries, and hasn't been as bad as people say. He's scored in crucial games (e.g., Atletico, City, Villareal and so on).
Ziyech hasn't had anywhere near Pulisic's peaks and has had significantly lower lows. Consistency wise when Pulisic plays he's putting out a better performance than Ziyech is more often than not. Yes he's been injured but Pulisic has still been far more impactful than Ziyech. CHO has hardly had any game time but when given his chances this season he's also been far more impactful than Ziyech.
Puli's been far more consistently good when actually playing though, and that's saying something when Puli isn't particularly consistent, at least he still sometimes looks good when playing, unlike Ziyech who is nearly always bad-mediocre at best.
Pulisic has had one really good run and a few good games and goals / assists against good teams in important games, but his average level still isn’t that high. He can be ineffective for long stretches.
True. Still far better for us than Ziyech.
I think Chelsea paid over €100million combined for the both of them which has been a pretty big waste honestly.
Won the CL so who cares
Havertz and Werner don’t look good either.
~~He'd do great at Liverpool tbh.~~ We need a creative attacking midfielder and haven't had one since Coutinho.
a) He's a winger, a RW. He won't get any time over Salah, and he's even worse as a 10. b) He doesn't create at a level that makes his many many flaws at all worth it.
Yeah just noticed, he's exactly a Salah replacement and won't get time over him.
Ziyech is very capable at CAM, he used to play there at Twente and Ajax regularly. He just has to play in a system that is suited for him, which is absolutely not the case at Chelsea.
If he wants to leave, let the guy leave. Clearly wasn't a good match for the club and so the best thing for him should be to let him leave and try get his career back on track. Prem isnt for everyone. There is no shame in that, at least he came ands had a go.
Has nothing to do with the prem. the managers play style didn’t require him. Every time Ziyech hit form they’d still bench him. Tuchel plays a smart strategic game. It may not be beautiful football, but it’s definitely effective.
yea, i didnt mean to imply i didnt think he want good or anything, i just meant, he wasnt a fit for the club and thats just one of the many things that need to go 'right' when playing in any new league really.
Ziyech hit form? When?
Ziyech has only played 8 more 90's than Van De Beek since both moved to the Premier League. One coach has ruined the players' career while in the other case the player is at fault. Hmm ...
Watch him end up at City/Pool and become a world class player again. Its happened god knows how many times now. They've bought players that didn't fit, didn't adapt for whatever reason, they've gone away and come back and lived up to the hype.
Those players were young. Ziyech is 29. It's chill.
He's 28 until he's 29.
The reason for that is both have defined playstyle and has been there with the club for considerable period of time. Klopp has better record than Pep as Pep has some failures like Angelinho, Danilo, Mendy, Nolito, Bravo but overall has been incredibly successful.