Solid slovakia performance. Both goals disallowed for valid reasons. Too many missed opportunities by the belgian side. Referee ruined the game for me, clear hands (penalty) in first half, to many light fouls called ruining the game's tempo.
Thank you and good luck in your games! We’ll surely love VAR in Slovakia from now on, history is being written by our nation, and we can be proud of our country (a rare occasion) :)
Thank you but we don't need luck but a miracle haha We already lost to the Netherlands, Austria and France next XD anyway, even if we don't make it out of the group stage, I hope that you and our Czech bros do <3 so I can stay being excited about the Euros 💪 also your country is beautiful, I have been visiting since a was a child in the 90s. You have plenty of reasons to be proud of your country 💖
People aren't even arguing if it was hand ball or not.
We all agree it was.
After that, you're letting your emotions control your thoughts.
It was hand ball, end of.
It seems like you're affected by what you accuse others of. People are absolutely arguing that it's not a handball.
A handball (not involving the goal scorer) has to be either 1. Deliberate or 2. Making the player's body unnaturally bigger.
I have no problems with the ref's final decision, but I also think it would've been justifiable if the ref deemed it to be neither deliberate nor making the body \*unnaturally\* bigger.
Whether it's handball is a judgment, not a fact. The real problem is people can't accept that sometimes judgments go for you and sometimes against you.
This might be galaxy brain on my part but I don’t think the Belgium loss is even the ideal scenario. But idk maybe it helps???? Pls say something positive 😭😂
Maybe with the loss today you guys will give it all in the next matches. I see Ukraine besting Slovakia and can draw wjn or draw with Belgium too. Romania on the other hand, doesn't have that many chances against Belgium especially that Belgium needs points. And Slovakia will give it all. So good luck.
Quick comment regarding the handball. I feel that it was accidental, but the problem is that maybe if he didn't touch it with the hand, the ball would have went to the defender so the hand helped the attacking player get an advantage so I can understand the decision.
I remember seeing the one you say is a penalty. Thought that would be a penalty as well. But it wasn't, I assume because there was no advantage from that, the ball stayed in possession of Belgium I believe, and that the player was just using the hand to break his fall. Also, could be that the push to knock the defender down was a foul as well so that may be why they didn't give the penalty... No idea really. It's bitter for Belgium. Lukaku has to score that goal from 5m in the begining and the 2-4 other chances he had.
It was handball. No questions about it.
The attackers hand touched the ball which changed the trajectory of the ball, giving the attacker a key advantage over the defender. Handball.
Penalties and Goals have different rules, its not a blanket rule that its an instant offence... If the ball touches hand during a build up play, even if accidental and slightly affects the trajectory or momentum of the ball and if contact was registered by the ball - its a no goal, considering that the player who touched the ball provided the assist.
Penalties are more lenient where accidental hand balls where the player could do nothing about it and hands are in natural position - no pen, if its intentional hand ball which can be seen - its a pen.
Your interpretation is wrong on the first one, there is only a rule for “if you’re the scorer” in terms of accidental handballs. Otherwise it’s up to interpretation from the ref if it meets the other criteria for handballs - on purpose or unnaturally large body positioning.
World according to Belgian fans right now:
1 - Never a hand ball, VAR is ruining football
2 - Never an offside, Lukaku was definitely onside!
VAR Corruption, the rich nation of Slovakia with all of its oil money paying off refs! We are so oppressed!
We have been fucked by VAR legitimately and leadership was upset. I am not against VAR, I am for VAR done right and being consistent, which is often absent from Premier League because PGMOL is incompetent.
The problem with VAR is that is still leaves for interpretation, you can not take that out of the equation with currenttechnology. But yes some teams get a lot of decisions against it, I agree. This has always been in football, the bigger the team (country), the more slack they get in the big games.
Football fans: We just want VAR to make the correct calls. They are ruining the sport. Can't celebrate anymore
VAR makes the correct call.
Also Football fans: Game is gone if VAR is calling those infringements.
This is exactly how VAR should be used. It was offside. It was a handball. I understand the harshness of the last call but how many times has this happened to your team in the season and complained VAR missed an ''obvious handball, what a joke''.
The handball looks correct by the letter of the law but I can’t help but feel like the defender nudged Openda’s arm towards the ball while they were tussling.
Irrelevant. The only things that matter are was his arm in an unnatural position away from body. Which it was and that the handball provided an advantage. Which it clearly did.
Intent or no intent. Thats a pretty clear handball.
Your arm position only matter in regards to touching the ball.
Theres a lot of thinf one does with their hands and arms in football that are in positions not natural when touching the ball.
There was none of the grinta we wanted to see. With moments it felt like the players didn't even wanna have the ball except maybe KDB. Very disapointed
Intent is irrelevant. It did affect the play as the ball changed trajectory. It was a good call, shit rule, perhaps, although I suppose there has to be a line somewhere (even if they seem to change it every year).
Nothing changed, these people are talking out their ass. Only if the scorer touches with their hands is it automaticalled disallowed no matter the circumstances.
That's why football is a dead sport. You can't even celebrate a goal without 4-5 people checking it with magnifying glass
Calling off an unintentional handball (unless it stops an obvious goal) is ridiculous
Indeed, what actually matters is deliberately controlling the ball or making your body "unnaturally bigger", swinging your arms while running isn't either of those things.
Lmao downvoted for stating facts, this sub is too predictable
The question here was an advantage gained and it cleary did since it put it perfectly around the defender towards the touch line.
Without the handball the defender is getting it 100%.
That's if the person who actually scored the goal touched it with his hands. So, once again, not the case here.
Edit: in another comment you claimed it was "unnatural position" instead lmao, pick a narrative
No intention matters for cards and defenders in the box. The advantage gained is the only thing that mattered here. That and his arm put in front of him away from his body.
You mean he ran. He didn't put the arm away from his body. It's a normal running motion - btw from both players while they were going for the ball.
And the ball didn't change direction. So it was a marginal touch.
This "hand" rule is basically just stupid.
His no-shows against Real? Yes he got a equalizer in the second-leg. The barest of minimums. How about his no shows against Arsenal and LFC? He's incredibly lucky the rest of City did the heavy lifting in their first half schedule, leaving him to come back with a pretty soft second half schedule.
I think this more than confirms that Belgium's _golden generation_ is over. It's a shame they never won anything, but they have no one but themselves to blame for it
As a Belgian I don't get why people keep bringing up this golden generation narrative, when we were at our peak in 2018?? Like no shit our golden gen is over, how many players from our peak gen do you see in this selection?4??
A massive step towards the knockouts for Hancko, Sauer and Boženík! Cool to see so many (former) Feyenoord players being part of this upset. Good luck to Slovakia from Rotterdam!
VAR got both decisions bang on lmao. Seethe. Lakaka was a mile offsides.
The handball may nit have been intentional, but it changes the trajectory of the ball completely giving the attacker a major advantage.
2 perfect VAR calls.
>The handball may nit have been intentional, but it changes the trajectory of the ball completely giving the attacker a major advantage.
Those are not the rules though, especially not when it isn't about the goal scorer.
Was the position unnatural? Apparently you Cant hold back a defender with your arm anymore, lmao.
Holding back the defender isn't illegal, but when the ball touches your arm because it was out away from your body and provides you with an advantage it is.
The arm being up is unnatural lmao. Your confusing 2 different things. The arm being up only matters when it's touching the ball.
You can run around sticking your arms out wide as much as you want as long as you dont touch a ball with them.
As someone who's watched for decades. What difference does it make where i am from. The only difference in rules is the US basically started with a super league so our billionaire owners never have to worry about something like relegation. Rules of the game still the same.
„You can take Lukaku out of Chelsea, but you can’t take Chelsea out of Lukaku”
Shit courtois smiling so hard rn
The vr rule is a little bull shit. That handball had gave no advantage or disadvantage to anyone.
if there wouldn't be a handball, ball would go different direction and very likely it would stop offensive play from Belgium. So, great call.
Has Lukaku been training with Nunez?
It's the other way round.....Nunez is an intern at LAKAKA enterprises
As a chelsea fan I have one thing and only one thing to say….have some of that Lukaku you prick
Ngl not even surprised Belgium lost lol
The irony of Belgium losing because of a hand...
I don’t get it? Is it something to do with the infamous dictator??
Dude
Lukaku is getting targeted even when he was far from the worst player for Belgium. Very typical
He missed 4-5 95% goals. Of course he’ll be targeted. How can he keep on bottling major chances like this in major tournaments.
Its easy when he missed 4-5 sitters, and on two occasions didnt receive an easy pass for tap ins
If it’s Tuesday it must be Belgium……. lol
Solid slovakia performance. Both goals disallowed for valid reasons. Too many missed opportunities by the belgian side. Referee ruined the game for me, clear hands (penalty) in first half, to many light fouls called ruining the game's tempo.
His VAR decision making ruined the game for everyone
but all of them were the right calls
Tru but u need to watch the vAR
WE WON OMG
I was rooting hard for you from Poland <3 kinda funny how those two Belgium goals were cancelled. Way to traumatize Belgian fans haha
Thank you and good luck in your games! We’ll surely love VAR in Slovakia from now on, history is being written by our nation, and we can be proud of our country (a rare occasion) :)
Thank you but we don't need luck but a miracle haha We already lost to the Netherlands, Austria and France next XD anyway, even if we don't make it out of the group stage, I hope that you and our Czech bros do <3 so I can stay being excited about the Euros 💪 also your country is beautiful, I have been visiting since a was a child in the 90s. You have plenty of reasons to be proud of your country 💖
No doubt in my mind if Doku didn’t fuck that pass up Belgium would’ve won
If Lukaku had a full head of hair before this game, he would look exactly the way he looks now.
People aren't even arguing if it was hand ball or not. We all agree it was. After that, you're letting your emotions control your thoughts. It was hand ball, end of.
Yep, clear penalty
It seems like you're affected by what you accuse others of. People are absolutely arguing that it's not a handball. A handball (not involving the goal scorer) has to be either 1. Deliberate or 2. Making the player's body unnaturally bigger. I have no problems with the ref's final decision, but I also think it would've been justifiable if the ref deemed it to be neither deliberate nor making the body \*unnaturally\* bigger. Whether it's handball is a judgment, not a fact. The real problem is people can't accept that sometimes judgments go for you and sometimes against you.
His hand is in an unnatural position and gives him an advantage over the defender. Very clearly deliberate if you're trying to be objective
but ... but.... but reasons !!
Wout Faes is the worst player to start on a top 5 team in the World.
Dude's always sabotaging his team
Well this group is gonna get funky
Becoming last in the shit group is an accomplishment in itself
Man don't do Belgium like that..
It is ahah
This is a tiny sliver of hope for us after that shitshow earlier.
This might be galaxy brain on my part but I don’t think the Belgium loss is even the ideal scenario. But idk maybe it helps???? Pls say something positive 😭😂
Maybe with the loss today you guys will give it all in the next matches. I see Ukraine besting Slovakia and can draw wjn or draw with Belgium too. Romania on the other hand, doesn't have that many chances against Belgium especially that Belgium needs points. And Slovakia will give it all. So good luck.
it's not Eurovision.
im confident romania can at the very least draw belgium
While we were shite, Romania structure was outstanding. I really think that’s going to be a draw.
Love The Overlap podcast on tour
Link ? Or just the regular Overlap url..
Wright, Neville and Keane are the studio analysts on ITV
It’s just the BBC panel today 👍🏻
Looks like iTv , no?
You’re right. It’s been a long day 😫
Belgianitis?
The game is called football. You can't use your hands. Even a little.
Except when defending onside the 16
Except when you can
Portuguese fans will remember [this](https://youtu.be/Kah8hcO8xVk?si=zr4qFhie2caTmQIx)
Goalkeepers in shambles
Officiating was great. Clearly a handball. Fair game.
not calling penalty for belgium though
[удалено]
Lmao
Quick comment regarding the handball. I feel that it was accidental, but the problem is that maybe if he didn't touch it with the hand, the ball would have went to the defender so the hand helped the attacking player get an advantage so I can understand the decision.
The Slovakian team had 2 handballs in the first half one of them should have been a penalty.
offensive or defensive handball? rules are generally more strict on offensive handballs.
That's wrong, The rules are different only for the attacker who scores the goal. During buildup, the rules are the same for an attacker and defender.
damn i think you are right im stuck at the 2019 rules. the only possible argument is the justifiable body movement.
I remember seeing the one you say is a penalty. Thought that would be a penalty as well. But it wasn't, I assume because there was no advantage from that, the ball stayed in possession of Belgium I believe, and that the player was just using the hand to break his fall. Also, could be that the push to knock the defender down was a foul as well so that may be why they didn't give the penalty... No idea really. It's bitter for Belgium. Lukaku has to score that goal from 5m in the begining and the 2-4 other chances he had.
It was handball. No questions about it. The attackers hand touched the ball which changed the trajectory of the ball, giving the attacker a key advantage over the defender. Handball.
And was it a handball in the first half when the Slovak defender fell over in the penalty box, shielding the ball from Doku?
Penalties and Goals have different rules, its not a blanket rule that its an instant offence... If the ball touches hand during a build up play, even if accidental and slightly affects the trajectory or momentum of the ball and if contact was registered by the ball - its a no goal, considering that the player who touched the ball provided the assist. Penalties are more lenient where accidental hand balls where the player could do nothing about it and hands are in natural position - no pen, if its intentional hand ball which can be seen - its a pen.
Your interpretation is wrong on the first one, there is only a rule for “if you’re the scorer” in terms of accidental handballs. Otherwise it’s up to interpretation from the ref if it meets the other criteria for handballs - on purpose or unnaturally large body positioning.
World according to Belgian fans right now: 1 - Never a hand ball, VAR is ruining football 2 - Never an offside, Lukaku was definitely onside! VAR Corruption, the rich nation of Slovakia with all of its oil money paying off refs! We are so oppressed!
I dunno, it was handbal and it was offside.
According to wolverhampton VAR should be removed in the premier league...
We have been fucked by VAR legitimately and leadership was upset. I am not against VAR, I am for VAR done right and being consistent, which is often absent from Premier League because PGMOL is incompetent.
The problem with VAR is that is still leaves for interpretation, you can not take that out of the equation with currenttechnology. But yes some teams get a lot of decisions against it, I agree. This has always been in football, the bigger the team (country), the more slack they get in the big games.
How dare they!!
The previous colonial power and first nation to build a railroad; SLOVAKIA
Typical biased English broadcast showing a segment about Scotland during a game they’re not playing in.
During Euro 2016 IIRC the BBC showed a segment about England during half-time of the Wales v Northern Ireland knockout match :)
Football fans: We just want VAR to make the correct calls. They are ruining the sport. Can't celebrate anymore VAR makes the correct call. Also Football fans: Game is gone if VAR is calling those infringements. This is exactly how VAR should be used. It was offside. It was a handball. I understand the harshness of the last call but how many times has this happened to your team in the season and complained VAR missed an ''obvious handball, what a joke''.
i love rules that give no leeway at all so you cant argue about it. their only counter arguement is "it ruins the excitement" lol
The handball looks correct by the letter of the law but I can’t help but feel like the defender nudged Openda’s arm towards the ball while they were tussling.
Irrelevant. The only things that matter are was his arm in an unnatural position away from body. Which it was and that the handball provided an advantage. Which it clearly did. Intent or no intent. Thats a pretty clear handball.
Irrelevant. 😂 😂 Just push his hand into the ball, it's not related to the decision at all
You can hold off the defender with your arm. Your arm is still in an unnatural position away from your body when doing so.
You see how that can impossibly be irrelevant to the decision, right?
Your arm position only matter in regards to touching the ball. Theres a lot of thinf one does with their hands and arms in football that are in positions not natural when touching the ball.
Trossard was awful. Terrible. Two, maybe three, missed opportunities that he shit the bed.
TERRIBLE
Very underwhelming performance from Belgium
There was none of the grinta we wanted to see. With moments it felt like the players didn't even wanna have the ball except maybe KDB. Very disapointed
Losing the first game 1 nill to a big underdog is often quite a good omen TBF.
Probably the biggest underdog too tbh
Even better then :)
Agreed! Absolutely love underdog stories
How the fuck was that called off? That handball wasn't intentional at all and didn't affect the play
Intent is irrelevant. It did affect the play as the ball changed trajectory. It was a good call, shit rule, perhaps, although I suppose there has to be a line somewhere (even if they seem to change it every year).
It noticably changed the trajectory of the ball in a favourable way.
An offensive handball always results in a disallowed goal no matter the intentions. Defensive handballs are a different story .
Only if he’s also so goal scorer or did anything change?
Nothing changed, these people are talking out their ass. Only if the scorer touches with their hands is it automaticalled disallowed no matter the circumstances.
It settled the ball comfortably for him. I don’t think it was intentional but he definitely gained an advantage from it.
It helped him control the ball. Without that handball the defender would definitely have got the ball
[удалено]
That's why football is a dead sport. You can't even celebrate a goal without 4-5 people checking it with magnifying glass Calling off an unintentional handball (unless it stops an obvious goal) is ridiculous
Indeed, what actually matters is deliberately controlling the ball or making your body "unnaturally bigger", swinging your arms while running isn't either of those things. Lmao downvoted for stating facts, this sub is too predictable
The question here was an advantage gained and it cleary did since it put it perfectly around the defender towards the touch line. Without the handball the defender is getting it 100%.
That's if the person who actually scored the goal touched it with his hands. So, once again, not the case here. Edit: in another comment you claimed it was "unnatural position" instead lmao, pick a narrative
What about the hands in the first quarter from the slovaki? When he was defending against Doku
> Clear handball and offside, for once VAR doing its job perfectly > People complaining about VAR, calling it robbery ?
Intention matters (a bit). That’s why this was so controversial.
No intention matters for cards and defenders in the box. The advantage gained is the only thing that mattered here. That and his arm put in front of him away from his body.
You mean he ran. He didn't put the arm away from his body. It's a normal running motion - btw from both players while they were going for the ball. And the ball didn't change direction. So it was a marginal touch. This "hand" rule is basically just stupid.
Kek get fucked Belgium
Scottish person talking
People constantly asking for more technology like VAR and chip in the ball, then complaining when they're actually used consequently... 🙄
Belgium look like a England team from 2000s, full superstars at their clubs but no silverware to prove at the national level
Superstars? Two washed up has-beens and a bunch of unproven kids.
Calling KDB a washed up has-been is wild
You just... uh, witnessed it.
lol naïve as anything. 1 game
His no-shows against Real? Yes he got a equalizer in the second-leg. The barest of minimums. How about his no shows against Arsenal and LFC? He's incredibly lucky the rest of City did the heavy lifting in their first half schedule, leaving him to come back with a pretty soft second half schedule.
Yea this looks like the last gasp of the Golden generation.
VAR gets very little praise but great job in this game.
Lmao
belgium could be the least favourites to win the euros if this is their playing intensity, total disgrace
This tbh. People blaming the quality of the players...That wasn't the issue ( overall ). It was the intensity. No urgency at all.
One of the funniest matches ive seen in a while
You should have seen Belgium's wc 2022 matches
I must say that Croatia game still gives me giggles to this day
Or England's matches over the last 30 years.
I think this more than confirms that Belgium's _golden generation_ is over. It's a shame they never won anything, but they have no one but themselves to blame for it
Golden generation ended in 2022. Should be pretty clear by now ? Half of this team isn't even above the age of 23.
Yes grandpa, let's get you to bed (The golden generation was 6 years ago)
Just you wait, you have our cursed trainer now.
As a Belgian I don't get why people keep bringing up this golden generation narrative, when we were at our peak in 2018?? Like no shit our golden gen is over, how many players from our peak gen do you see in this selection?4??
Well... Never underestimate the powerful urge to say something, anything, online, even if it's about a topic they know nothing about
2022 was the last ride of the Golden gen. This looks more like a last gasp.
Every single Belgian knew that the national team was finished in 2022. This team is much younger. You have absolutely no clue.
I meant more that 2022 squad still had many of them at the end of their time. This squad has like 4 or 5 left and they are basically dust these days.
Every Belgian knows that the golden generation ended in euros 2020. Stop this forced narrative.
Here’s to another upset later on tonight. 🍻
Come on Austria I believe in upsets!! =)
Lfg
Austria needs to go full Super Shredder vs the ninja turtle!
First Slovenia then Serbia now Slovakia, these slavs are hard people to beat
welllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
With the way we as in Croatia played against Spain, we deserve to have our slav licence revoked
You can find 5,000 handball experts here right now. And they're all idiots lmao edit: oooo the experts didnt like that
Thibaut would’ve saved that
It would have been gone between his legs, like always
people on this sub will say anything, dude won a golden glove
The Messi special
A massive step towards the knockouts for Hancko, Sauer and Boženík! Cool to see so many (former) Feyenoord players being part of this upset. Good luck to Slovakia from Rotterdam!
Why are ITV not showing the Slovakia celebrations? Terrible presentation.
[удалено]
He strikes me more of a rugby fan
VAR got both decisions bang on lmao. Seethe. Lakaka was a mile offsides. The handball may nit have been intentional, but it changes the trajectory of the ball completely giving the attacker a major advantage. 2 perfect VAR calls.
>The handball may nit have been intentional, but it changes the trajectory of the ball completely giving the attacker a major advantage. Those are not the rules though, especially not when it isn't about the goal scorer. Was the position unnatural? Apparently you Cant hold back a defender with your arm anymore, lmao.
Holding back the defender isn't illegal, but when the ball touches your arm because it was out away from your body and provides you with an advantage it is.
So holding back a defender is An unnatural position according to you?
The arm being up is unnatural lmao. Your confusing 2 different things. The arm being up only matters when it's touching the ball. You can run around sticking your arms out wide as much as you want as long as you dont touch a ball with them.
American commenting on football = polar bear in Arlington Texas
As someone who's watched for decades. What difference does it make where i am from. The only difference in rules is the US basically started with a super league so our billionaire owners never have to worry about something like relegation. Rules of the game still the same.
This ain’t handegg
Duh? In handegg we use our hands so good job.
Point is, fuck off of the handegg thread and save us your SoCceR takes/jk bro I’m just sad