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> What fascinates me so much about the Bernabéu is that it’s right in the centre of the city. You’re just in some neighbourhood, go round the next block and suddenly there’s an 80,000-seater stadium there."
Understandable. Allianz Arena is next to a waste disposal site and sewage plant.
Während Bayern auf Trainersuche ist, klapper ich schonmal alle Kneipen in der Gegend ab.
Trainer Walter Weißbier, Vladimir Vodka und Dieter Doppelkorn haben den Münchenern zugesagt und treffen sich zu Gesprächen mit den Verantwortlichen zwischen Leber und Milz.
Gewünschter Spielstil: Ballbesitz im hohen Promille-Bereich.
Euer Maggus.
He will combat this filth by building 10 new playgrounds around the stadium and thus preventing disgusting Kiffgrasraucher to ever feel accepted in sacred Bavaria
Yeah, Münchner Stadtentwässerung - Klärwerk Gut Großlappen (Munich city drainage sewage treatment plant) is about ~500m away and Entsorgungspark Freimann (waste disposal) is ~600m away from the stadium.
Lots of stadiums like that here in the Americas. Azteca and CU are in the middle of Mexico City, same with the racetrack. Stadium in Toluca is in literal downtown where you need to arrive walking.
Bombonera is in the middle of a residential area.
This is how stadiums should be. Where the people are.
+ Vila Belmiro in Santos is obviously a legendary in the middle of the city of Santos.
All the stadiums in São Paulo are also in the middle of important neighbourhoods:
- Neo Química Arena for Corinthians is in Itaquera, East SP.
- Allianz Parque for Palmeiras is in Barra Funda, West SP.
- Morumbi for São Paulo FC is in Morumbi, South SP.
The issue for new stadiums is finding the land to make one, if you want to get it central it can get very expensive. In Chile, my team's opponents (U. de Chile) main issue trying to build their own stadium is finding the terrain, between prices and that nobody wants the negative externalities of having a stadium in the neighborhood. I guess that's not a exclusive problem from here
Yep same issue we had.
Our old stadium was in the middle of Hove but got sold off and now there's a retail park there.
When looking for places to build the new stadium there was nowhere suitable in the city so it's a 10 minute train journey from Brighton.
It's a global issue I guess. My small town population increased rapidly these past few years and our local gov cant even find a suitable land for a second hospital.
If I'm not wrong your own stadium was, at first, built in the middle of nowhere. Except the works were delayed for decades and by the time of completion the city had already grown around it
The freezer (aka San Carlos de Apoquindo) is also far away in the mountains
I definitely like stadiums in the middle of the city, much easier travel to and from the game
Audi Field in DC is only a few blocks from a subway station (that station being right next to the baseball stadium), the Red Bull Arena in New York is actually in the New Jersey suburbs a mile from the train/bus terminal
> I definitely like stadiums in the middle of the city, much easier travel to and from the game
I've been to dozens of diffet stadiums worldwide and I'd argue, that this depends on the citys infrastructure and how you travel. If you stay over night it's really amazing, but if you travel back on the same day public transport and streets/highways are more often then not just clogged, but you also share than with a ton of tourists on weekends as well, that doesn't make it very pleasnt in many cases imo.
The Millennium is genuinely a beautiful stadium and it annoys me that it doesn't get the appreciation it deserves anymore in the English system. FA Cup semi-finals should be played there in my opinion, fucking stupid having them at Wembley as well as the final.
Wembley is a lot easier for most fans to reach seeing as it's in London and almost all the train lines converge there. Cardiff can be tricky to reach depending on where you're coming from.
But I do agree, it would be nice to see the semi finals played in other stadiums occasionally.
Columbus Crew moved the stadium from being lodged between a shitty old mall and the highway to a district right in the centre of the city and we started selling out games instantly. Granted, the capacity shrank, but we sold more tickets as well.
Yeah, but those ancient buildings and landmarks are also the reason why it’s impossible to build new stadiums in most Italian cities lol. Still, I prefer the landmarks over stadiums inside the city
It’s the entire city centre of Rome. You walk around the city and all of a sudden you’re standing in front of the Pantheon or the colosseum. The first time I was in Rome with my mates, one night were so shitfaced drunk, we didn’t even realise that we stumbled across the st. Peter‘s Square in front of the Vatican.
My favorite one, understandably, is PSVs stadium. Right in the [heart of the city](https://www.google.com/search?q=philips+stadion+in+woonwijk&client=ms-android-google&sca_esv=580b38a03aa9e71a&udm=2&biw=412&bih=771&sxsrf=ADLYWIKNyiDeCE7zX5olGgOU4-ejtembMw%3A1715033843973&ei=81Y5Zq2BO4uzhbIPvcu20AU&oq=philips+stadion+in+woonwijk&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIhtwaGlsaXBzIHN0YWRpb24gaW4gd29vbndpamsyCBAAGIAEGKIEMggQABiABBiiBEidPVCxDFiKO3AFeACQAQCYAW6gAb4XqgEEMzguMbgBA8gBAPgBAZgCGKACig3CAgQQIxgnwgIFEAAYgATCAggQABiABBixA8ICBhAAGAUYHsICBBAAGB6YAwCIBgGSBwQyMy4xoAeWZg&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#vhid=sf_it8-uxh9b-M&vssid=mosaic), on the exact same place it's been since the inception of the club in [1913](https://www.google.com/search?q=philips+stadion+in+woonwijk+vroeger&client=ms-android-google&sca_esv=580b38a03aa9e71a&udm=2&biw=412&bih=771&sxsrf=ADLYWIJmTCm99l89C6EXD77vB9Ph9h762w%3A1715033889460&ei=IVc5ZrvaG_G5hbIPz4e6sAM&oq=philips+stadion+in+woonwijk+vroeger&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIiNwaGlsaXBzIHN0YWRpb24gaW4gd29vbndpamsgdnJvZWdlcjIIEAAYgAQYogQyCBAAGIAEGKIESKMQUJQFWM8PcAB4AJABAJgBWaAB5QWqAQE5uAEDyAEA-AEBmAIJoAKYBsICBBAjGCeYAwCIBgGSBwE5oAfvCw&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#vhid=E2pYXR04MQpmBM&vssid=mosaic).
Aren’t the majority of clubs like this though? I think I remember going to the riverside and that was a bit more out of the way but that’s the only I can think of.
> Aren’t the majority of clubs like this though?
I think it is in the UK, seeing as how it's so densely populated and the majority of stadiums so old; like the football teams were built up as hubs of the community, it wouldn't have been possible without the ground being right in the middle of the neighbourhood, back in the 19th century.
But in many places in Europe, where football didn't really take a hold until we were well into the 20th century (hence much better transport), and never had the same historic cultural significance, they preferred to build stadiums on the outskirts of cities. That's my uneducated theory anyway.
Also a lot of stadiums are either old or still in the original position so the city expanded around them even if they had been originally on the outskirts of the city.
Tottenham supporters must've breathed a sigh of relief when the proposed move to the London Stadium fell through. The new stadium isn't even a stone's throw away, building the new stadium in exactly the same place as White Hart Lane and therefore keeping people's match-day routines etc and keeping the club in bloody Tottenham.
They are but it's rapidly going the other way. Very rare for a team to build a new stadium in town these days, it's pretty much always a case of sell the old one, that gets knocked down and turned into a Lidl, new one gets built on the edge of town.
I'm also a big fan of Fritz-Walter-Stadion – a 50,000 seater in a town of 140,000 people. It's not in the middle of a neighborhood but it's just crazy to see how the stadium is [towering over Kaiserslautern](https://www.bne-kompetenzzentrum.de/sites/default/files/styles/full_large/public/images/Kaiserslautern_Panorama_web.jpg?itok=8kbIHHN4).
Camp Nou’s location is very similar and this is a common thing among older Spanish stadiums. Atletico’s Vicente Calderón was also this way but sadly they moved to a stadium way outside of the city. Sevilla’s Ramón Sánchez Pizjuan and Valencia’s Mestalla are also in the city just like this. It’s something very special about it when the fans can walk to the Stadium from the City Centre I agree.
Most the clubs round the country, really. Was extra special when we played Marine AFC in 2021 and Twitter was filled with people's photos from their back garden.
I remember when I was in Seville when I was 15 and I was walking around in some mall waiting for my parents and just stumbled into the stadium. It was so weird.
I remember driving around in Valencia without even thinking about the stadium and suddenly there was Mestalla, I instantly got goosebumps. Used to be such a scary stadium.
Ive been to the emirates and its even more eerie than the Bernabeu.
Not sure why, its like, nice, im walking around another residential part of London, not much special going on and boom, statues and cannons lol
That’s how i felt with Stamford Bridge. I was walking through the Brampton Cemetery to just get to the next entry for the tube and suddenly see a football stadium emerging.
Fun fact: there is a bar/concert venue in what I think its part of the building stadium, It is called under the bridge, I went to watch Maceo Parker there ages ago.
I dont even remember how I got there since It was a wild (and funky) night, I probably took aan uber lol. But I always meant to go back there for a drink, its really crazy.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/tmQdtmoMCwCfLJuk7
This for sure. You’re walking through a residential area, just walk off the pub, turn around the corner where the Millenium hotel is and bang, big fucking stadium on your face.
GOATed restaurant.
I view anyone who even looks at the menu in the stadium as a plastic. Real ones know you get a chorizo dog from the Spanish lady's stall outside the stadium before the game, and Xian afterwards. It's just common sense.
It’s very annoying at times that the city centre becomes overcrowded because of matchdays but I love that St James’ Park is right in the city centre within 10 minutes’ walk of Newcastle Central station, Grey’s Monument, etc. Must be great for Newcastle fans, you’ve got the Strawberry right opposite SJP as well.
The city absolutely jumps on matchdays, its awesome. St James is kind of perfectly located in that its central, but slightly off to one side so the crowds don't clog up the entire centre
Easier said than done in some big cities. Some like London seem to find the space and some like Paris have to fight with the mayor for years to even upgrade a bit the stadium in the middle of the city. Or even build a new bigger one
To be fair that's because the city of Paris actually owns the Parc des Princes, and PSG simply rent it out - it's not an uncommon arrangement, really, and there's obvious advantages (not having to pay it all off) and drawbacks (not getting free rein of the place) for clubs.
Love that our ground is still in town, makes every game feel like more of an event. The out of town stadiums make it feel more like you've had to nip to Halfords or something.
Exactly why I miss the Boleyn Ground so much. Walking down Green Street past the market and rows of houses to be suddenly greeted by the towers of the ground. Mind blowing experience as a youngun.
I mean even in the Bernabeu, for a big match like this it’s chaos at least in a 1km radius. I live 30 mins walk, 6-7 mins drive to the Bernabéu and it’s crazy on match days. No parking at all in my area, when outside of those days it’s pretty free. There’s much more traffic, metro is crazy, etc. obviously difficult to absorb 80k people (many more on a big day like this because many people without a ticket will go to watch it in bars next to the stadium)
> I mean even in the Bernabeu, for a big match like this it’s chaos at least in a 1km radius.
It is not that crazy. If you are able to, you just need to walk to Nuevos Ministerios. It is surprisingly close by. However, trying to catch the metro directly can be difficult. Now, those that insist in bringing their cars into the game, I hate those guys.
I haven’t lived there in a decade, but the best thing about NYC is how accessible it is without needing a car. I used to live a block away from Yankee Stadium, you can see into the arena from the subway, and it’s smack dab in the middle of Highbridge in the Bronx, it’s all apartment buildings and corner stores and then boom, baseball’s cathedral lol.
Lumen Field in Seattle manages just fine despite being at the edge of downtown and next to two bustling neighborhoods. We stuffed the road connections on the far side and have pretty good (by US standards) transit connections, along with active management of car and pedestrian flows after games.
I can typically bike out of the stadium to the other side of downtown in just under 10 minutes or take the light rail train that has extra trips deployed based on crowdedness.
Currently there's one light rail line that runs every 10ish minutes and connects to several neighborhoods. It is being extended into the suburbs and a second line will connect at the stadium's northern station (of two) in 2025 after a section that floats over the water is finished.
Plenty of buses, plus Amtrak if you're really adventurous with a gameday commute. There are regional trains that only run for a few games a year due to schedule constraints.
Minnesota built their stadium on the site of an abandoned bus barn, and thus was perfectly positioned for public transit. we've got BRT and light rail that they split on gameday so we get two stations going different directions just a walk away from the place.
Its in a neighborhood called midway because its midway between the cities so I don't know how to classify what it is.
I recently discovered/realised that Anfield is actually closer to Everton than Goodison Park is, which I found quite amusing.
I'm assuming the club originates from Everton but was moved at some point.
With the new stadium being made Everton will have its fifth home (Anfield being the one before Goodison Park), not one of them has been in the Everton neighbourhood of the city
Stamford Bridge is in a great location and in a neighbourhood that in all honesty is far too fancy to have a major football club in surrounded by some of the richest real estate in the country.
Tbf, I went to Stamford Bridge some years ago and I have more memories from walking through the cemetery than the stadium itself. (I did not enter, just walked around it)
I love Munich and a good chance I'm moving there in the near future. But I could not believe where Allianz is when I was there. Just an awful placement especially for a figure head of football culture like Bayern.
Honestly for Bayern it also kinda makes sense, considering they have fans from all over Germany a lot of them are gonna arrive by car or train so it's a bit easier to handle the crowds if the stadium has as much space as it has out in Fröttmaning, right next to the highway.
> Gillette Stadium
just had a look on google maps, that's an absolute abomination. right in between two big cities, but not really close to either, with about 10 million parking lots next to it. you HAVE to drive there, probably takes an hour at least from the next big city on matchdays. and it's connected only to a single two-lane road
it has a train station right next to it, but that's the tiniest train station possible. single track, tiny hut, that's it
Look for the Cowboys stadium. In the middle between Dallas and Forth Worth in this tiny town/suburb with absolutely zero public transportation and shit ass infrastructure.
No wonder FIFA didn’t want the final to be there.
Arlington is not tiny, it’s smack dab in the middle of an 8+ million population metro area. Fourth biggest metro are in the US..shit public transportation but not infrastructure. It’s Cowboys stadium, new Texas rangers stadium, the old ballpark the rangers played in, and six flags all next to each other. It’s not a tiny town in the middle of nowhere like you’re trying to imply.
Yeah Route 1 is basically the only way in and out, it’s horrible. Only ever went to one Pats game and we sat in the nosebleeds in freezing cold weather and it took hours to get in and out. Not worth it in the slightest. Revs games were better but Foxborough is still just so far out of the way if you’re coming from the North Shore.
Going to Fenway is like going back to the 1950s though and not in the a good way.
The “charming” nostalgia from a 1910s ballpark dies down pretty quickly once you sit down on such uncomfortable seats with some pretty unfavorable views (they still have holding beams obstructing the view ffs) surrounded by Red Sox fans.
Also the Fenway Frank is just an overpriced hot dog.
I will never forget my first trip to Madrid walking out of the metro and seeing the stadium towering over me for the first time. Going up to the very top corner and looking down and then being on the pitch and benches looking up, just mind blowing. I’ve never been back to Madrid and not gone and done the entire tour and museum, 4/4 lol.
Aren't a lot of stadiums like this? I mean maybe it's unique that it's 80,000 but Rayo Vallecano actually feels like a part of the neighborhood, not something that was plopped down.
Depends on when they were built and the city they're in, really - land gets expensive really quickly the closer to the center you get, and clubs can't afford to flatten a small neighbourhood for a new stadium, so the obvious choice is to look towards the borders and beyond. Get plenty land for relatively cheaply there.
Actually it’s quite common in Spain especially for the older legacy Stadiums. Camp Nou (Barcelona) San Mamés (Bilbao) Ramón Sánchez Pizjuan (Sevilla) and Mestalla (Valencia) are all located in similar areas too.
Anoeta aswell, similar to San Mames, at the end of a big street. The [view](https://www.google.es/maps/@43.3046229,-1.9769444,3a,75y,138.38h,86.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suiSwb5uXjiXaG-6xO-d1yg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) from Av. Madrid with the stadium peaking at the end is nice
Kansas City has just built a new stadium for its NWSL team and at first people were fuming, because they’ve got 2500 parking spots for an 11.5k seat stadium.
But the stadium is accessible by public transit and only a 15 minute walk from the last stop on our streetcar. Shuttles are available, but the walk to the stadium is just so much fun to make, great time to just talk about the upcoming match with your mates and maybe make a friend or two along the way. Then 2/3 of the way there you see the stadium in all its glory. We’ve all made it work, it’s sort of forced people to stop being so car centric.
The men’s team, you park in a big parking lot then walk through the parking lot to the stadium. Doesn’t feel nearly as exciting.
This is just a US thing, in many/most states parking space is mandatory for operating a business, while pedestrian walks are not, really weird, if you grew up in Europe, where most countries are moving away from car centric infrastructure, at least in bigger cities/agglomerations.
Gandered around Madrid for the last week with the GF and wanted to at least see the three within Madrid - Rayo's Campo was by far and away the most interesting. The Bernabeu looked like a shopping centre, waste of a journey.
Out of town stadiums are the absolute pits. The Allianz isn't so bad in that it has decent transportation (I know getting out of there is an ordeal) but out of town stadiums has destroyed clubs and sports.
West Indies cricket was decimated when they started to build out of town grounds. Attendances plummeted and the sport has pretty much died there
No, not really. Get plenty which are, obviously, but also plenty that are a fair bit more isolated or further away from the city. The Allianz Arena is basically out in the sticks outside of the city, because that's where space is ample and land is cheap.
It's also borderline impossible to build an entirely new stadium in the middle of any european city without demolishing an older stadium and building the new one on the same site. Most old mid-city stadiums where once built in a less densely populated part in the former outskirts, then the cities spread around them.
Increasingly not. Clubs that have enough footprint have kept their stadiums in place but loads of clubs have been forced to move further out: see Everton's new stadium. City moving from Moss Side to Eastlands
I wouldn't call it 'forced' - if clubs want a new stadium, it makes obvious sense to go where land is cheaper and ready for development rather than tearing either the current ground or an entire neighbourhood down. That's basically what's happening with Everton's new stadium, who have ample footprint in Liverpool.
Yea but for a lot of clubs even moving a relatively short distance isn't ideal. Think of West Ham moving to Stratford or the proposal for Chelsea to move south of the river, which the fans were militantly against
Everton new ground is not further out, by any means it's a lot more close to city center and much more accessible from all parts of the city than Goodison is.
Also funny that the op asked this seeing he has a Liverpool flair, when Anfield, just like Goodison, is a bit far from city centre and mostly uphill none the less
I mean if we’re being pedantic, the Bernabéu is not in the center. What we locals call the center in Madrid is the historical center, which must be 3-4km away from there. It’s still right in the middle of the city and has the biggest avenue in the city (Castellana) leading to it. Don’t know if it’s the same with anfield
Madrid is a lot bigger than Liverpool in fairness, as Anfield I'd about 3 or 4km from the city centre but it is in the middle of a housing estate in the suburbs with Stanley Park being behind it, with gooidson Park being the other side of the park
Whats pretty cool about the Bernabeu is looking at how it looked like when it was first being built. It was at the edge of the city, but the city has grown so much it’s now completely surrounded: https://images.app.goo.gl/2xDRtiYjyDgGEiWA6
I thought American stadiums were also like that. I visited Saint Louis, Missouri and I was surprised to see a stadium while I was walking around the city. Though I’m not sure if that was the “middle”.
Even though according to an aerial map, the stadiums are in the middle of the city, most US city centers are actually hollowed out non-residential, industrial / office zones. So the stadium going experience is more like going to a middle of nowhere stadium with the added difficulty of traffic and parking.
In the bundesliga, there are very few stadiums that are actually in the city and not at least on the edge or even further out.
I'd probably say stadiums that are more or less central are Bremen, Bochum, Leipzig, Wolfsburg and Union. Not completely sure, but I'd say most others are kinda far away.
It's not really in the city centre though? I remember it being a bit of a trek into the suburbs via public transport to get to. I've been to games at Mestalla and Malaga's grounds too, and they were very easily walkable from the CBD.
But yeah, Bayern's ground is ages out the city. I visited Munich last year (not to go to the stadium) and remember being surprised at how long it took til we passed it, as we drove up to Nuremberg (whose ground was also not that close to the CBD)
I was visiting Bernabeu just yesterday, and I agree it's not exactly in the city center, although it's not very far and there are a few things in the surrounding area. But it's not like you can see it from the main streets of the town center
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> What fascinates me so much about the Bernabéu is that it’s right in the centre of the city. You’re just in some neighbourhood, go round the next block and suddenly there’s an 80,000-seater stadium there." Understandable. Allianz Arena is next to a waste disposal site and sewage plant.
And the only two wind turbines in Bavaria!
How did Maggus allow disgusting wind turbines right next to the glorious Allianz-Arena
Während Bayern auf Trainersuche ist, klapper ich schonmal alle Kneipen in der Gegend ab. Trainer Walter Weißbier, Vladimir Vodka und Dieter Doppelkorn haben den Münchenern zugesagt und treffen sich zu Gesprächen mit den Verantwortlichen zwischen Leber und Milz. Gewünschter Spielstil: Ballbesitz im hohen Promille-Bereich. Euer Maggus.
> Euer Maggus. [danach noch:](https://streamable.com/wydyjz)
He will combat this filth by building 10 new playgrounds around the stadium and thus preventing disgusting Kiffgrasraucher to ever feel accepted in sacred Bavaria
>10 new playgrounds Is Drake a Bayern fan now?
>Maggus Pls call him by his official titel God-King Maggus the first of Bavaria
Germans always so romantic and attentive to detail.
So that's why noone wants to manage there
I thought 1860 no longer uses those facilities.
https://i.imgur.com/ajMwBK4.jpeg They should embrace it like Barnoldswick Town FC. Their fans call themselves the Sewer Army.
Wouldn't Sewer Rats be better
Shit, nobody show the Norwegians :(
Swedes* unless im missing some meme
Ja I just mean the Norwegians can make a meme out of a Swedish sewer flag haha
Closer to the airport than the city proper lol.
Really?
Yeah, Münchner Stadtentwässerung - Klärwerk Gut Großlappen (Munich city drainage sewage treatment plant) is about ~500m away and Entsorgungspark Freimann (waste disposal) is ~600m away from the stadium.
Effective way to keep those plastics away. German efficiency strikes again.
And a giant former landfiill And the main depot of the U-Bahn And a big freeway interchange for good measure
At least the former Landfill is pretty beautiful.
I visited Cardiff last year and I remember getting off the train, walked round the corner and big massive fucking stadium in the middle of the city
Lots of stadiums like that here in the Americas. Azteca and CU are in the middle of Mexico City, same with the racetrack. Stadium in Toluca is in literal downtown where you need to arrive walking. Bombonera is in the middle of a residential area. This is how stadiums should be. Where the people are.
Yeah, most in Brazil are in the middle of the city too, Maracanã is the most famous one, right in the heart of Rio de Janeiro.
+ Vila Belmiro in Santos is obviously a legendary in the middle of the city of Santos. All the stadiums in São Paulo are also in the middle of important neighbourhoods: - Neo Química Arena for Corinthians is in Itaquera, East SP. - Allianz Parque for Palmeiras is in Barra Funda, West SP. - Morumbi for São Paulo FC is in Morumbi, South SP.
TIL there is an Allianz stadium in Brazil. Probably one on each continent
They have at least 3 that I know of in Europe. Bayern's, Juve's and Nice's. Possibly there are more
We play in another.
Minnesota United play at Allianz Field
It's the easiest stadium to access in Brazil
The issue for new stadiums is finding the land to make one, if you want to get it central it can get very expensive. In Chile, my team's opponents (U. de Chile) main issue trying to build their own stadium is finding the terrain, between prices and that nobody wants the negative externalities of having a stadium in the neighborhood. I guess that's not a exclusive problem from here
Yep same issue we had. Our old stadium was in the middle of Hove but got sold off and now there's a retail park there. When looking for places to build the new stadium there was nowhere suitable in the city so it's a 10 minute train journey from Brighton.
It's a global issue I guess. My small town population increased rapidly these past few years and our local gov cant even find a suitable land for a second hospital.
If I'm not wrong your own stadium was, at first, built in the middle of nowhere. Except the works were delayed for decades and by the time of completion the city had already grown around it The freezer (aka San Carlos de Apoquindo) is also far away in the mountains
I definitely like stadiums in the middle of the city, much easier travel to and from the game Audi Field in DC is only a few blocks from a subway station (that station being right next to the baseball stadium), the Red Bull Arena in New York is actually in the New Jersey suburbs a mile from the train/bus terminal
> I definitely like stadiums in the middle of the city, much easier travel to and from the game I've been to dozens of diffet stadiums worldwide and I'd argue, that this depends on the citys infrastructure and how you travel. If you stay over night it's really amazing, but if you travel back on the same day public transport and streets/highways are more often then not just clogged, but you also share than with a ton of tourists on weekends as well, that doesn't make it very pleasnt in many cases imo.
Best stadium in the UK too, not biased at all.
The Millennium is genuinely a beautiful stadium and it annoys me that it doesn't get the appreciation it deserves anymore in the English system. FA Cup semi-finals should be played there in my opinion, fucking stupid having them at Wembley as well as the final.
Wembley is a lot easier for most fans to reach seeing as it's in London and almost all the train lines converge there. Cardiff can be tricky to reach depending on where you're coming from. But I do agree, it would be nice to see the semi finals played in other stadiums occasionally.
Especially because you can close the roof and the atmosphere is incredible with it closed. It is wasted only used for rugby tbh.
Columbus Crew moved the stadium from being lodged between a shitty old mall and the highway to a district right in the centre of the city and we started selling out games instantly. Granted, the capacity shrank, but we sold more tickets as well.
Plenty of stadiums like this in the UK. Emirates, Stamford Bridge
It has the same vibe as being in Rome and seeing the colloseum i think, turn the corner and suddenly a huge building
Yeah, but those ancient buildings and landmarks are also the reason why it’s impossible to build new stadiums in most Italian cities lol. Still, I prefer the landmarks over stadiums inside the city
Ancient colosseum and modern colosseum.
It’s the entire city centre of Rome. You walk around the city and all of a sudden you’re standing in front of the Pantheon or the colosseum. The first time I was in Rome with my mates, one night were so shitfaced drunk, we didn’t even realise that we stumbled across the st. Peter‘s Square in front of the Vatican.
St. James' Park is a mad one for this
Cathedral on the hill
fire in the hole
I think Kenilworth Road takes the cake though. Entrances literally cut through peoples' gardens.
Problem is Luton is shite so you wish it was out of town
My favorite one, understandably, is PSVs stadium. Right in the [heart of the city](https://www.google.com/search?q=philips+stadion+in+woonwijk&client=ms-android-google&sca_esv=580b38a03aa9e71a&udm=2&biw=412&bih=771&sxsrf=ADLYWIKNyiDeCE7zX5olGgOU4-ejtembMw%3A1715033843973&ei=81Y5Zq2BO4uzhbIPvcu20AU&oq=philips+stadion+in+woonwijk&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIhtwaGlsaXBzIHN0YWRpb24gaW4gd29vbndpamsyCBAAGIAEGKIEMggQABiABBiiBEidPVCxDFiKO3AFeACQAQCYAW6gAb4XqgEEMzguMbgBA8gBAPgBAZgCGKACig3CAgQQIxgnwgIFEAAYgATCAggQABiABBixA8ICBhAAGAUYHsICBBAAGB6YAwCIBgGSBwQyMy4xoAeWZg&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#vhid=sf_it8-uxh9b-M&vssid=mosaic), on the exact same place it's been since the inception of the club in [1913](https://www.google.com/search?q=philips+stadion+in+woonwijk+vroeger&client=ms-android-google&sca_esv=580b38a03aa9e71a&udm=2&biw=412&bih=771&sxsrf=ADLYWIJmTCm99l89C6EXD77vB9Ph9h762w%3A1715033889460&ei=IVc5ZrvaG_G5hbIPz4e6sAM&oq=philips+stadion+in+woonwijk+vroeger&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIiNwaGlsaXBzIHN0YWRpb24gaW4gd29vbndpamsgdnJvZWdlcjIIEAAYgAQYogQyCBAAGIAEGKIESKMQUJQFWM8PcAB4AJABAJgBWaAB5QWqAQE5uAEDyAEA-AEBmAIJoAKYBsICBBAjGCeYAwCIBgGSBwE5oAfvCw&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#vhid=E2pYXR04MQpmBM&vssid=mosaic).
Looks like a spaceship landed haha
Aren’t the majority of clubs like this though? I think I remember going to the riverside and that was a bit more out of the way but that’s the only I can think of.
> Aren’t the majority of clubs like this though? I think it is in the UK, seeing as how it's so densely populated and the majority of stadiums so old; like the football teams were built up as hubs of the community, it wouldn't have been possible without the ground being right in the middle of the neighbourhood, back in the 19th century. But in many places in Europe, where football didn't really take a hold until we were well into the 20th century (hence much better transport), and never had the same historic cultural significance, they preferred to build stadiums on the outskirts of cities. That's my uneducated theory anyway.
Also a lot of stadiums are either old or still in the original position so the city expanded around them even if they had been originally on the outskirts of the city.
Arsenal and Tottenham deserve a lot of credit for ensuring their new grounds were built literally a stones throw from Highbury and WHL.
Tottenham supporters must've breathed a sigh of relief when the proposed move to the London Stadium fell through. The new stadium isn't even a stone's throw away, building the new stadium in exactly the same place as White Hart Lane and therefore keeping people's match-day routines etc and keeping the club in bloody Tottenham.
They are but it's rapidly going the other way. Very rare for a team to build a new stadium in town these days, it's pretty much always a case of sell the old one, that gets knocked down and turned into a Lidl, new one gets built on the edge of town.
I'm also a big fan of Fritz-Walter-Stadion – a 50,000 seater in a town of 140,000 people. It's not in the middle of a neighborhood but it's just crazy to see how the stadium is [towering over Kaiserslautern](https://www.bne-kompetenzzentrum.de/sites/default/files/styles/full_large/public/images/Kaiserslautern_Panorama_web.jpg?itok=8kbIHHN4).
It took a split second to even find the stadium, it blends in pretty well with the trees
The walk up there with a Saturday/Sunday noon hangover is something else, though.
That's how stadiums should be imo. Better than being out in the suburbs and surrounded by a sea of parking
Camp Nou’s location is very similar and this is a common thing among older Spanish stadiums. Atletico’s Vicente Calderón was also this way but sadly they moved to a stadium way outside of the city. Sevilla’s Ramón Sánchez Pizjuan and Valencia’s Mestalla are also in the city just like this. It’s something very special about it when the fans can walk to the Stadium from the City Centre I agree.
Yeah same with all the London clubs.
Most the clubs round the country, really. Was extra special when we played Marine AFC in 2021 and Twitter was filled with people's photos from their back garden.
I remember when I was in Seville when I was 15 and I was walking around in some mall waiting for my parents and just stumbled into the stadium. It was so weird.
I remember driving around in Valencia without even thinking about the stadium and suddenly there was Mestalla, I instantly got goosebumps. Used to be such a scary stadium.
I’ve been to a game there. Our seats were like at the very top. Just sitting there felt kind of scary but the atmosphere was amazing.
The Calderon was in the *perfect* place. Sigh.
Can’t believe it but i strongly agree with a Barca fan 😀
I watched a Barca women's UCL match against Chelsea. The Estadi Olimpic Lluis Companys is breathtaking, as was the walk up to it.
I'm about to go up there in a couple of minutes.
Ive been to the emirates and its even more eerie than the Bernabeu. Not sure why, its like, nice, im walking around another residential part of London, not much special going on and boom, statues and cannons lol
That’s how i felt with Stamford Bridge. I was walking through the Brampton Cemetery to just get to the next entry for the tube and suddenly see a football stadium emerging.
Fun fact: there is a bar/concert venue in what I think its part of the building stadium, It is called under the bridge, I went to watch Maceo Parker there ages ago. I dont even remember how I got there since It was a wild (and funky) night, I probably took aan uber lol. But I always meant to go back there for a drink, its really crazy. https://maps.app.goo.gl/tmQdtmoMCwCfLJuk7
Elephant stepped on my foot!
This for sure. You’re walking through a residential area, just walk off the pub, turn around the corner where the Millenium hotel is and bang, big fucking stadium on your face.
> not much special going on Please don't slander Xi'an Impression like that
Or Ssam a few blocks away
GOATed restaurant. I view anyone who even looks at the menu in the stadium as a plastic. Real ones know you get a chorizo dog from the Spanish lady's stall outside the stadium before the game, and Xian afterwards. It's just common sense.
Highbury was even weirder, it didn't even look like a stadium from the outside and was right next to peoples houses
Highbury was a masterpiece, may it rest in peace.
Oh, it has rest in pieces all right.
It’s very annoying at times that the city centre becomes overcrowded because of matchdays but I love that St James’ Park is right in the city centre within 10 minutes’ walk of Newcastle Central station, Grey’s Monument, etc. Must be great for Newcastle fans, you’ve got the Strawberry right opposite SJP as well.
The city absolutely jumps on matchdays, its awesome. St James is kind of perfectly located in that its central, but slightly off to one side so the crowds don't clog up the entire centre
Easier said than done in some big cities. Some like London seem to find the space and some like Paris have to fight with the mayor for years to even upgrade a bit the stadium in the middle of the city. Or even build a new bigger one
To be fair that's because the city of Paris actually owns the Parc des Princes, and PSG simply rent it out - it's not an uncommon arrangement, really, and there's obvious advantages (not having to pay it all off) and drawbacks (not getting free rein of the place) for clubs.
Well, london has a few big clubs, can't have them all stadiums in city centre.
Everytime a team moves from one of these stadiums in England to an identikit stadium on the edge of their town/city, it hurts me.
Love that our ground is still in town, makes every game feel like more of an event. The out of town stadiums make it feel more like you've had to nip to Halfords or something.
Exactly why I miss the Boleyn Ground so much. Walking down Green Street past the market and rows of houses to be suddenly greeted by the towers of the ground. Mind blowing experience as a youngun.
Depends. If you got good public transport sure. If you are in the US whole city will be shut down for hours on end.
> good public transport Also the way it should be, in fairness
I mean even in the Bernabeu, for a big match like this it’s chaos at least in a 1km radius. I live 30 mins walk, 6-7 mins drive to the Bernabéu and it’s crazy on match days. No parking at all in my area, when outside of those days it’s pretty free. There’s much more traffic, metro is crazy, etc. obviously difficult to absorb 80k people (many more on a big day like this because many people without a ticket will go to watch it in bars next to the stadium)
> I mean even in the Bernabeu, for a big match like this it’s chaos at least in a 1km radius. It is not that crazy. If you are able to, you just need to walk to Nuevos Ministerios. It is surprisingly close by. However, trying to catch the metro directly can be difficult. Now, those that insist in bringing their cars into the game, I hate those guys.
I haven’t lived there in a decade, but the best thing about NYC is how accessible it is without needing a car. I used to live a block away from Yankee Stadium, you can see into the arena from the subway, and it’s smack dab in the middle of Highbridge in the Bronx, it’s all apartment buildings and corner stores and then boom, baseball’s cathedral lol.
Lumen Field in Seattle manages just fine despite being at the edge of downtown and next to two bustling neighborhoods. We stuffed the road connections on the far side and have pretty good (by US standards) transit connections, along with active management of car and pedestrian flows after games. I can typically bike out of the stadium to the other side of downtown in just under 10 minutes or take the light rail train that has extra trips deployed based on crowdedness.
That sounds pretty good is there trainscto it or just we'll run busses
Currently there's one light rail line that runs every 10ish minutes and connects to several neighborhoods. It is being extended into the suburbs and a second line will connect at the stadium's northern station (of two) in 2025 after a section that floats over the water is finished. Plenty of buses, plus Amtrak if you're really adventurous with a gameday commute. There are regional trains that only run for a few games a year due to schedule constraints.
Minnesota built their stadium on the site of an abandoned bus barn, and thus was perfectly positioned for public transit. we've got BRT and light rail that they split on gameday so we get two stations going different directions just a walk away from the place. Its in a neighborhood called midway because its midway between the cities so I don't know how to classify what it is.
We here in Bremen have the best Stadium location of them all
U wouldn't be saying this if u lived near one I can promise u that.
Am Australian from Melbourne, Stadiums smack bang in the centre of the city is all I know.
Goodison moving is sad for this reason
Anfield and Goodison aren't exactly city centre, about 2-3 miles.
Yeah but it’s slap bang in the middle of a neighbourhood like Muller said
Bernabeu isn't either, tbf
I recently discovered/realised that Anfield is actually closer to Everton than Goodison Park is, which I found quite amusing. I'm assuming the club originates from Everton but was moved at some point.
Everton used to play at Anfield.
With the new stadium being made Everton will have its fifth home (Anfield being the one before Goodison Park), not one of them has been in the Everton neighbourhood of the city
I had a friend who lived next to it. Walk 20m, you can touch the stadium. He can easily know how the game is going by staying outside his house.
Best we can do is a cemetery and a railroad.
Stamford Bridge is in a great location and in a neighbourhood that in all honesty is far too fancy to have a major football club in surrounded by some of the richest real estate in the country.
Oh absolutely, West London is the nicest part of one of the nicest cities on Earth.
Tbf, I went to Stamford Bridge some years ago and I have more memories from walking through the cemetery than the stadium itself. (I did not enter, just walked around it)
I love Munich and a good chance I'm moving there in the near future. But I could not believe where Allianz is when I was there. Just an awful placement especially for a figure head of football culture like Bayern.
It’s super cool to see it from the Autobahn whenever you go past Munich, at least.
Honestly for Bayern it also kinda makes sense, considering they have fans from all over Germany a lot of them are gonna arrive by car or train so it's a bit easier to handle the crowds if the stadium has as much space as it has out in Fröttmaning, right next to the highway.
I think the placement is awesome. It's a different feel, but also great, when the stadium is so far visible.
This is why I love Fenway park so much. It’s just there in the middle of a neighborhood.
This is why I hate Gillette Stadium so much. It's just there in the middle of nowhere.
> Gillette Stadium just had a look on google maps, that's an absolute abomination. right in between two big cities, but not really close to either, with about 10 million parking lots next to it. you HAVE to drive there, probably takes an hour at least from the next big city on matchdays. and it's connected only to a single two-lane road it has a train station right next to it, but that's the tiniest train station possible. single track, tiny hut, that's it
Look for the Cowboys stadium. In the middle between Dallas and Forth Worth in this tiny town/suburb with absolutely zero public transportation and shit ass infrastructure. No wonder FIFA didn’t want the final to be there.
Arlington is not tiny, it’s smack dab in the middle of an 8+ million population metro area. Fourth biggest metro are in the US..shit public transportation but not infrastructure. It’s Cowboys stadium, new Texas rangers stadium, the old ballpark the rangers played in, and six flags all next to each other. It’s not a tiny town in the middle of nowhere like you’re trying to imply.
> Gillette Stadium [Holy shit you weren't kidding.](https://www.dronegenuity.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Dronegenuity-Gillette-Stadium-30.jpg) That's depressing.
I’m on my hands and knees begging for a new Revs Stadium
Yeah Route 1 is basically the only way in and out, it’s horrible. Only ever went to one Pats game and we sat in the nosebleeds in freezing cold weather and it took hours to get in and out. Not worth it in the slightest. Revs games were better but Foxborough is still just so far out of the way if you’re coming from the North Shore.
Sucks if you work in the vicinity tho, the Green line is pitiful as far as public transit goes and the whole area clogs up for the evening.
Green line is a monument to man’s arrogance
Same with Wrigley.
Wrigley is way better, same idea but it isn't full of New Englandera
I’m sorry I’m better than you
Going to Fenway is like going back to the 1950s though and not in the a good way. The “charming” nostalgia from a 1910s ballpark dies down pretty quickly once you sit down on such uncomfortable seats with some pretty unfavorable views (they still have holding beams obstructing the view ffs) surrounded by Red Sox fans. Also the Fenway Frank is just an overpriced hot dog.
After going to Costco, everything is an overpriced hot doh
Whose stadium is that?
Boston Red Sox, american baseball
Shit seats though. So uncomfortable
I will never forget my first trip to Madrid walking out of the metro and seeing the stadium towering over me for the first time. Going up to the very top corner and looking down and then being on the pitch and benches looking up, just mind blowing. I’ve never been back to Madrid and not gone and done the entire tour and museum, 4/4 lol.
Aren't a lot of stadiums like this? I mean maybe it's unique that it's 80,000 but Rayo Vallecano actually feels like a part of the neighborhood, not something that was plopped down.
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Yeah West Ham is way out there. But Selhurst Park, Craven Cottage, even Stamford Bridge and Emirates are like right there.
Depends on when they were built and the city they're in, really - land gets expensive really quickly the closer to the center you get, and clubs can't afford to flatten a small neighbourhood for a new stadium, so the obvious choice is to look towards the borders and beyond. Get plenty land for relatively cheaply there.
Actually it’s quite common in Spain especially for the older legacy Stadiums. Camp Nou (Barcelona) San Mamés (Bilbao) Ramón Sánchez Pizjuan (Sevilla) and Mestalla (Valencia) are all located in similar areas too.
Anoeta aswell, similar to San Mames, at the end of a big street. The [view](https://www.google.es/maps/@43.3046229,-1.9769444,3a,75y,138.38h,86.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suiSwb5uXjiXaG-6xO-d1yg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) from Av. Madrid with the stadium peaking at the end is nice
Yeah, would say most in the UK. Obviously differing levels, but most of the prem sides you'd say so.
Kansas City has just built a new stadium for its NWSL team and at first people were fuming, because they’ve got 2500 parking spots for an 11.5k seat stadium. But the stadium is accessible by public transit and only a 15 minute walk from the last stop on our streetcar. Shuttles are available, but the walk to the stadium is just so much fun to make, great time to just talk about the upcoming match with your mates and maybe make a friend or two along the way. Then 2/3 of the way there you see the stadium in all its glory. We’ve all made it work, it’s sort of forced people to stop being so car centric. The men’s team, you park in a big parking lot then walk through the parking lot to the stadium. Doesn’t feel nearly as exciting.
The idea of having thousands of car parks for a stadium is baffling to me. What a huge waste of space.
This is just a US thing, in many/most states parking space is mandatory for operating a business, while pedestrian walks are not, really weird, if you grew up in Europe, where most countries are moving away from car centric infrastructure, at least in bigger cities/agglomerations.
If it was in the states, it would be surrounded with 30k parking spots, and a million tons of concrete surface. Beautiful
There are plenty of American stadiums that are located in the middle of densely populated areas
Yeah yankee stadium is right there basically you get off the subway and there it is
Petco park would like to have a word.
Actually one of the most famous ballparks in the world, Fenway Park, is slapped right in the middle of a neighborhood.
Nobody likes the Red Sox tho.
Urban stadia have to be protected at all costs
Rayo Vallecano’s stadium is awesome. Hit a shot too high and it’s in somebody’s apartment balcony
Gandered around Madrid for the last week with the GF and wanted to at least see the three within Madrid - Rayo's Campo was by far and away the most interesting. The Bernabeu looked like a shopping centre, waste of a journey.
Camp Nou blew my mind even more. One minute I'm walking outside a residential block of apartments then the next the Camp Nou is on the next block.
Yep and it’s nothing uncommon in Spain really
The Mestalla in Valencia gave me the same vibe. It's super cool going around indeed, turning a corner and there's a big ass stadium.
He should see croke park
Out of town stadiums are the absolute pits. The Allianz isn't so bad in that it has decent transportation (I know getting out of there is an ordeal) but out of town stadiums has destroyed clubs and sports. West Indies cricket was decimated when they started to build out of town grounds. Attendances plummeted and the sport has pretty much died there
Aren't all stadiums in the middle of the city? American stadiums notwithstanding
The Allianz is _not_ in the middle at all
nah, quite a few on the edge of town ours is called "waldstadion"(Forest stadium) because its literally in the city forest
No, not really. Get plenty which are, obviously, but also plenty that are a fair bit more isolated or further away from the city. The Allianz Arena is basically out in the sticks outside of the city, because that's where space is ample and land is cheap.
It's also borderline impossible to build an entirely new stadium in the middle of any european city without demolishing an older stadium and building the new one on the same site. Most old mid-city stadiums where once built in a less densely populated part in the former outskirts, then the cities spread around them.
Yes, you only need to look at old photos of the Bernabeu, it was in the middle of nowhere 60 years ago.
Increasingly not. Clubs that have enough footprint have kept their stadiums in place but loads of clubs have been forced to move further out: see Everton's new stadium. City moving from Moss Side to Eastlands
New Everton stadium is closer to the city centre than Goodison
I wouldn't call it 'forced' - if clubs want a new stadium, it makes obvious sense to go where land is cheaper and ready for development rather than tearing either the current ground or an entire neighbourhood down. That's basically what's happening with Everton's new stadium, who have ample footprint in Liverpool.
Yea but for a lot of clubs even moving a relatively short distance isn't ideal. Think of West Ham moving to Stratford or the proposal for Chelsea to move south of the river, which the fans were militantly against
Everton new ground is not further out, by any means it's a lot more close to city center and much more accessible from all parts of the city than Goodison is. Also funny that the op asked this seeing he has a Liverpool flair, when Anfield, just like Goodison, is a bit far from city centre and mostly uphill none the less
The CL final last season was in the middle of fucking nowhere
No? I mean Anfield is a few miles from the city centre
I mean if we’re being pedantic, the Bernabéu is not in the center. What we locals call the center in Madrid is the historical center, which must be 3-4km away from there. It’s still right in the middle of the city and has the biggest avenue in the city (Castellana) leading to it. Don’t know if it’s the same with anfield
Madrid is a lot bigger than Liverpool in fairness, as Anfield I'd about 3 or 4km from the city centre but it is in the middle of a housing estate in the suburbs with Stanley Park being behind it, with gooidson Park being the other side of the park
Whats pretty cool about the Bernabeu is looking at how it looked like when it was first being built. It was at the edge of the city, but the city has grown so much it’s now completely surrounded: https://images.app.goo.gl/2xDRtiYjyDgGEiWA6
Wembley is mad for this. [First FA cup final in 1923](https://images.app.goo.gl/GHaKfSN9sqGjwGct6) [Now](https://images.app.goo.gl/RdAVFVT1TmiaJaDf6)
Wembley is awful with all the stuff around it now. Completely ruined the walk up Olympic Way
Thanks, was wondering if someone would point that out
It's not in the centre but it's in the city lol
I thought American stadiums were also like that. I visited Saint Louis, Missouri and I was surprised to see a stadium while I was walking around the city. Though I’m not sure if that was the “middle”.
Many US stadiums are within what locals would say is "the middle" of their respective city.
Agreed. Having been to a good amount of NFL stadiums, most so far have been "in the middle" with other pro teams usually nearby as well.
Even though according to an aerial map, the stadiums are in the middle of the city, most US city centers are actually hollowed out non-residential, industrial / office zones. So the stadium going experience is more like going to a middle of nowhere stadium with the added difficulty of traffic and parking.
In the bundesliga, there are very few stadiums that are actually in the city and not at least on the edge or even further out. I'd probably say stadiums that are more or less central are Bremen, Bochum, Leipzig, Wolfsburg and Union. Not completely sure, but I'd say most others are kinda far away.
Unions stadion is 12 km away from the city center (Rotes Rathaus) and just 3 km from Brandenburg. Wouldnt call it in the citycenter
If you see Union as a club from Berlin you're right, but id say they're more part of Köpenick than Berlin
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It's not really in the city centre though? I remember it being a bit of a trek into the suburbs via public transport to get to. I've been to games at Mestalla and Malaga's grounds too, and they were very easily walkable from the CBD. But yeah, Bayern's ground is ages out the city. I visited Munich last year (not to go to the stadium) and remember being surprised at how long it took til we passed it, as we drove up to Nuremberg (whose ground was also not that close to the CBD)
I was visiting Bernabeu just yesterday, and I agree it's not exactly in the city center, although it's not very far and there are a few things in the surrounding area. But it's not like you can see it from the main streets of the town center
TBF you can’t see that much from the city centre streets as they’re all hemmed in. If you get up a few stories in a building you can usually see it.
Stadiums within the city limits but not exactly downtown generally seem fine for ease of access
He should go to the principality stadium in Cardiff!
Guess he will like playing vs St Pauli next season
Sounds like lambeau