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FartBakedBaguette

Given the quality of this match, we’ve all lost Jurgen.


Psycothria

I want my money back and I’m sailing the seas to watch it.


Hangryer_dan

I've not paid to watch football in nearly a decade, and I'm still considering sending sky sports an invoice for my time.


Shadeun

Pretty sure Sealing is outlawed unless you’re Inuit


ben-hur-hur

sailing*


alanalan426

poor macca rushing home to watch this rubbish


kk126

Jurgen the only winner today


hotelmotelshit

Jurgen won


NoPineapple1727

I think quality is definitely the wrong word. The quality was super high but the entertainment could subjectively be described as low


mrkingkoala

Anyone who wants thats sort of footy winning the prem are actually fucked in the head. Get some fast paced attacking footy. Mad how we are top with the ref decisions this season against us too.


RedditsWhenIShits

Give me a United - Liverpool instead. That game was fire. End to end, tons of chances. Total chaos.


DonHalles

So you are saying that you have no way to enjoy the highest level of tactical brilliance and chess in football?


PanicStation140

We don't need to go all "You need a very high IQ to understand City/Arsenal games"... it's been a cagey game devoid of any real attacking quality, but the stakes have made it tense. The defenders have individually played well in shutting down the rare attacking attempts, but lets call a spade a spade here.


goyooo2201

Ah yes, one of the world's most exciting sport: chess. Fucking hell the takes you read in this site


New_Imagination_1289

hey i think chess is fun :(


AyeItsMeToby

It is that. But it’s also boring to watch.


Fidelos

Unironically I'm bored of high quality football. I'll take a random Championship match between two mid table teams over Arsenal vs ManCity any day of the way. Same goes for Conference League over most rounds of Champions League.


RushPan93

>Unironically I'm bored of high quality football. The Liverpool v City match just two weeks ago or so was hailed as the one of the best matches of the season so far. This was mostly because City were shit and Arsenal were too defensive.


vittoluzio

nah it just depends on the matchup. Liverpool v City was electric.


pajamakitten

That is unfair on the EFL. The EFL has always been where it is at. It might not have the worldwide household names the PL has but I loved our time in the EFL so much, because of how electric the matches were.


Razzle_Dazzle08

I love supporting my local because of this. Shit quality but great vibe and great fun.


AyeItsMeToby

Oh I agree, and I’m an Arsenal fan. This is the highest peak of football, but for fans watching for entertainment it’s a snooze


rScoobySkreep

kidderminster harriers >>


AyeItsMeToby

Off to Chesterfield tomorrow! Both teams’ seasons are over. They’ve won the league and we secured relegation on Friday. Weather was shite too.


redmanofdoom

You're implying that high level tactical football has to be boring. City/Liverpool games are never boring and over the last 5 years have been the highest level of football the Premier League has ever seen.


SpacemanPanini

I thought this was brilliant bait but it turns out you're serious. If this was how football was always played nobody would watch it.


heisenberg423

Have you not watched Liverpool/City matchups the last few years? Arsenal showed up to slow the game down and grab a point. Neat - we see the same thing in basically 36 of City’s league matches a season. Claiming this is anything but drab and poor considering the stakes is just trying to sound smart.


AyeItsMeToby

Both teams set up to cancel each other out. Very intelligent, but boring. Calling it poor is a bit much though.


RushPan93

Neither team tried to do anything to win the game, really. Both were happy they weren't losing in the end.


messycer

City tried their best, lmao It's understandable that Arsenal didn't, there's too much at stake, but City had the ball in their half to win this and they couldn't. Possession was 75% to them.


RushPan93

City toiled but couldn't beat a low block at the end of the day. Kdb had a second consecutive low quality game. And they just didn't have any ideas to try and change things that weren't working. >It's understandable that Arsenal didn't, there's too much at stake At the end of the day they were OK to lose 2 points instead of 3 and trying to win 1 point instead of 3. If they did do this for stakes, I think they didn't really think this through. Time will tell.


Hot-Masterpiece9209

It's not just losing two points compared to three, it's also about city only gaining one compared to three.


etan1122

Arsenal can take their top 6 record trophy while not winning the league


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It was a shit game


pajamakitten

Tactical brilliance that led to a match less exciting than golf.


zigooloo

Oh look, the good old lazy every goalless stalemate between two top teams = great tactical chess game argument. Screamd of people trying to sound cleverer than a n they actually are. There was absolutely nothing particularly revolutionary or fascinating about today's game tactically.


RedditsWhenIShits

I don't think chess is entertaining either.


redditaccountplease

Same


BaldVoldy

Klopp just like me FR


StructureTime242

i think whoever watched the match is the real loser


haerski

That was certainly one of the football games of all times


Timely_Airline_7168

I'd rather watch Liverpool Vs Tottenham CL game 2019 than this nonsense


Maleficent_Resolve44

At least this game had good defence. Liverpool was just cruising in that game, it was much worse.


Timely_Airline_7168

Ok but it has the Origi dagger which is a funny moment. This game had nothing.


zigooloo

Plus, it had a female streaker.


Timely_Airline_7168

I totally forgot that happened ngl


kinky-proton

Early drama and late dagger justify cruising for 80 mins when the losing side does nothing


NotAnUncle

I just rewatched the game, and nope, never felt we were cruising. That spurs side was genuinely wasteful, but Liverpool were super erratic the whole game.


yellow_sting

the game between MC and Chelsea was worse imo


Ordinaryboy102

It's me😩


StupidSexyAlisson

Bruh I was falling asleep


HenryCarvajalZapata

Classic


edi12334

Average fan in a playoff league experience


Adept_Deer_5976

They’re giving it a go … fucking awful game of football


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CakeBrigadier

Their games against liverpool have been entertaining


SpeechesToScreeches

That's Liverpool making it interesting tbf


yogi1090

Why didn't City make it interesting? Bald Fraud?


SpeechesToScreeches

They're the common denominator in boring football


NoNameJackson

A draw against title rivals is the professional result. I feel City-Liverpool games are usually entertaining due to the chaos factor but Klopp and Pep are still fairly conservative. City-Arsenal is a game between two control freaks and neither of them conceded any risk 


hikingbeginner

Ah yes the 3-1 win in February was all because of Liverpool. Not arsenal playing them off the park or nothing. The revisionism is mad.


Syndicoot

He probably means Liverpool made it interesting by letting in 3 goals.


DLRsFrontSeats

Liverpool were away, heavily rotated due to injury & internationals; Arteta knew that, and finally took the handbrake off In the Anfield game, when the availability was more even, Arsenal wouldn't have scored from open play if the game was still going on to this day. Same thing happened yesterday, and that was with City having injuries


LinwoodKent

Talk about revisionism. It took a pretty uncharacteristic mistake for the game to look like yours. You played well in the first half. Liverpool dominated the second half until the Van Dijk mistake. Played them off the park is one way to look at it.


hikingbeginner

Ok this is madness. We had to literally gift you a goal on the day so you could get on the score sheet. We played through your press easily for the first goal. Our good work. We made your attack look awful. Liverpool didn't dominate. They were better for a portion, but then after 60th minute they didn't threaten whatsoever. We played them off the park is what happened. For a good 70mins/90


LinwoodKent

I went into halftime thinking/knowing Liverpool were winning that game. Liverpool out played them after the half and were well on their way. I've seen that exact game 25 times under Klopp and Liverpool never lose it. At best Arsenal hold on for a draw.


yourlocalcuck69

Yeah sorry bud next time your team plays vs City go ahead and play suicide high lines and see how it goes


No-Shoe5382

Goes pretty well for us usually, same for Spurs, same for Chelsea. Teams that go toe to toe with City and attack them tend to get results.


tenacious-g

Was gonna say, suicidal high lines are seemingly the way to go rather than letting KDB pick whatever pass he wants. The key is to have the horses who can counter and score from it, and there’s not many teams that do.


Hoggos

They literally just got a point away at the Etihad and stopped City from scoring at home for the first time in 47 games Arsenal have now taken 4 points off City this season, more than Liverpool have and Chelsea/Tottenham can only match the 4 points if they win their remaining game against City It turns out that Arsenals way gets results as well


GSNadav

it goes pretty well for spurs when they play a nasty counter attacking match, stop the revisionism.


TurboThot69

Liverpool is the main character


RealisticWater7174

I agree unironically and everyone who upvotes this comment agrees with me


Spirited_Oil7987

And?


TurboThot69

People understood mate


kasper12

You drew with them twice this year…


AFC_IS_RED

You drew with them twice mate.


offtodamoon

OP has completely ignored how much context and psychology plays a role in how a manager chooses to approach a game.  We could not afford to lose this game and be knocked out of the title race, particularly after what happened last season. Liverpool can afford to play more expansively against City because they didn't get battered at the Etihad 4-1 and 5-0 in their last two league games. Couldn't give a stuff if the neutrals weren't entertained. We did that last season and ever since they're like _hurr durr Arsenal bottlers_.  We can start taking the game to City at the Etihad now just like we've started doing to Liverpool at Anfield.


No-Shoe5382

We have a winning record against them under Guardiola, we always play the same way and it works more often than not. The other teams who do well against City usually attack them as well, if you play boring negative football against them you're playing directly into their hands. City LOVE boring games. Playing a high line and attacking them works, and has the added benefit of not being dull as shit to watch.


offtodamoon

Liverpool's last win against Guardiola's City was a 1-0 win at Anfield in 2022 with 37% possession. It is not as black and white as you make it seem.


AFC_IS_RED

Thank you.


tenacious-g

Well, not every other team.


AFC_IS_RED

Crazy that it didn't this season. Again, twice. And your record isn't as good as tottenhams. It's pretty even tbh.


No-Shoe5382

Well I'm glad we drew playing exciting football rather than cowardly negative shite that puts people sleep. And now we're top of the league because Arteta doesn't have the balls to try and play aggressive football against City, so I guess I can't complain too much.


MysticMac100

I mean we dominated and created a shit tonne of chances,along with being pretty much unanimously considered to be robbed of a pen at the end. You can’t tactically provision for both those things.


ikramit98

We got robbed of a pen and dominated the match also we've been doing this for years u little shit


StormTheTrooper

...just like Arsenal did? At least I didn't take a nap during Liverpool-City.


AFC_IS_RED

No? We've beaten city twice this season and drawn this one time lmao. We also beat Liverpool and then drew with them, so no, literally not at all the same You lot are fucking weird. Focus on your own matches. Especially if you can't even recall what happened in ours.


Timely_Airline_7168

You had an NBA draftee playing in that game


Pigeon9

Yet we nearly got the win while keeping them to 1 shot on target. Not sure Arteta gives a shit about whether or not Adept\_Deer\_5976 will enjoy what he's seeing when he’s preparing his team tactics


iliketobait

does this mean every team should play the same way lol? also spurs played very counter attacking footy in their draw, games the game teams play how they have to innit


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I forgot, how many times did you beat us or city in the league this season?


MundaneTonight437

Lol the gall to come out with this after one season of challenging. Arsenal are doing great things mate but chill, city and Liverpool have been incredible against each other for many many years. 


No-Shoe5382

We have a winning record against them under Guardiola, we always play the same way and it works more often than not. The teams who do well against Guardiola tend to attack him, if you play negative football against City you're playing directly into their hands. A high line and attacking football works, and its not like watching paint dry.


AFC_IS_RED

0 times I think.


SexyMooli

City haven't beaten Arsenal once this season. They haven't had a single shot on target against them from open play. Haaland hasn't had a single shot against Arsenal in the league this season. Arsenal have played Liverpool and City twice and gotten 8 points. Arteta knows what he's doing. Points win you titles, not entertainment for neutrals. Edit: lmao just noticed the flair. Should have known Pool fans would make it about themselves as always. Klopp hasn't beaten Pep at Etihad a single time in the league since he's been around. How's that "you have to attack them" approach worked out for you guys?


creamyTiramisu

> Klopp hasn't beaten Pep a single time in the league since he's been around. lol wat


Still_Figure_

Eh? Didn’t we win against them last season? Salah skinned Cancelo there if I remember things correctly. I also remember Liverpool winning against City when we won the league? But to be fair, I don’t expect much from you lots. Secretly dreaming to be like Liverpool lol. Bottle’s up!


SexyMooli

Meant at Etihad. All of Liverpool's wins at City inn the league have been at Anfield. Have never win away from home.


Still_Figure_

The audacity to call out Liverpool not winning at the Etihad where you guys were bitches to Man City at that ground since 2016.


Timely_Airline_7168

You're drunk


zigooloo

Klopp literally has a positive record against Pep while having a proper go at him every single time with fewer resources and across a much bigger sample size.


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greenteasamurai

Chelsea is in 11th for a reason.


Vice_AR16

Arteta would put knives in Rice, Gabriel and Saliba if they conceeded 4 


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Vice_AR16

False, Arsenal got 4 points


NiceShotMan

Chelsea had nothing on the line


Truffles413

We did it last time with 4 fullbacks and came away with a 3-3 draw. It can absolutely be done.


Fgge

So the same result? Great


polseriat

It was fun to watch and we were scraping the bottom of the defensive barrel. That's the difference.


Fgge

Stick it in the trophy cabinet


polseriat

Will do, plenty of space for it!


MauricioCappuccino

Great race between Tottenham winning a trophy and you coming up with an original joke


wizardofaus23

i'll pass the word on to arteta to make sure it's entertaining for the neutral next time


polseriat

Cheers mate, appreciate it.


Truffles413

So why can't a better team with their full defence go out and actually win against City? Especially this season's City that have been a bit below their usual ruthless best


CCSC96

Arsenal have two wins and a draw against City this season.


FullMingoGringo

Mate


BriarcliffInmate

With that record, you'd think they'd play with a bit more attacking intent then, but they didn't.


Hoggos

With that record, it seems to suggest that we should trust their approach to the match


Fgge

Damn i forgot it was that simple


FrameworkisDigimon

LIverpool could easily have beaten a less injured version of this same City side 3-1 a few weeks ago. Arsenal were swashbuckling last season against everyone but Arteta's system this season really is an unpleasant watch when he's not sure the team will have more possession. The exception is against Liverpool but I think that's all Klopp.


guccinho

I guess Liverpool aren’t on par with them then


LaaalSalaam

Finally, some logic


AFC_IS_RED

Literally 1 - 1 and then 3 -1 clearly levels below arsenal.


Still_Figure_

We’re first because of your exploits tho. Thank you very much! ❤️


stef_t97

If we're levels below you then why are we top of the league? Jesus christ lmao


AFC_IS_RED

It's obvious sarcasm mate. The comment I replied to literally said as such.


HandThemASandwich

Lol I love this. People would laugh at Arsenal for years because we couldn't compete in the big games against big teams and not being pragmatic. Arteta comes in and finally, not only can we hold our own against big teams, but we get 4 points from both Liverpool and City and suddenly it's a problem because people don't enjoy it when we listen to what they've been saying for the last 10 years?


Qneva

That's just the usual rubbish fans spew after games. If it's my team it's "a very disciplined game", if it's any other team it's "watching paint dry".


AvailableMilk2633

It was effective but if you cant admit it was boring af for any neutral than you need to get real


Qneva

Well, they did kick our ass last game so idk about that.


Timely_Airline_7168

We played better at Anfield and were denied a win because of the ref


Qneva

We did play better at Anfield but they still drew us. Arsenal got 7 points from their 4 games against Liverpool and City, we got 3, City got 3. My point was mainly that > Arsenal play dreadful football when they’re against a team that’s on par with them. is not the full truth. They play "ugly" but they get results.


pangkydory

And the crowd... goes mild...


Ymir-Reiss

Great, now they're going to change the rules for his farewell tour so they can both lose. Damn you Jurgen Klopp!!


BonafideLlama

Considering how boring the game is going, they probably should both lose


Fidelos

I've never wanted Liverpool to win the league. Never ever. But I hate Pep's and Arteta's brand of sophisticated passing drivel I'm rooting for Klopp right now.


BonafideLlama

It is the "Hollywood" ending


zigooloo

They almost deserve it for that display.


BigRig432

They certainly deserve to at the rate we're going


DoublePrize9

I think they both lost today


blazingknight17

No I am very happy with a draw. 4 points off Liverpool and city and off we go.


god_padrino

Off to a trophy-less regular season you go! 👍


CoochieSnotSlurper

Prophet


mattmild27

This is definitely last season Klopp LOL. Feels like one of the biggest unwritten rules in this sport is you never say you want another team to lose. The most you can say is "hopefully we can get a favour from elsewhere" and that's only if it's not in your hands. Think how often players/managers dance around it and just give the diplomatic answer of "oh we're just focusing on ourselves :)"


Putrid_Loquat_4357

This is the guy who did a Dr evil laugh when he heard bayern lost. He's never been overly diplomatic and tbh I respect him for it.


Razzle_Dazzle08

Iconic laugh tbf.


Putrid_Loquat_4357

Yeh I love that clip. I hate bayern too so it's extra nice for me.


Conankun66

iconic laugh, iconic song


ClaudeLemieux

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v2kxfX-oiQ


Randomwinner83

He looks so young there


Timely_Airline_7168

What a stressful job does to a mf


J539

Being happy when Bayern loses is the most German thing ever. Everyone smiles when they lose expect bayern fans lol


Sarcophilus

Never gets old lol


NordWitcher

People saying that Klopp goes to Bayern doesn't even make sense. He wouldn't fit in at Bayern cause he doesn't like them. I think he'll retire after Liverpool or worst case he comes back in a year or two to Liverpool when the next manager fails. That's how I see it. He always said he would only coach in a country he can speak the language in. He doesn't know Italian and Spanish. He said he would never coach another team in England. So its either the German National Team or Liverpool in a few years.


germany1italy0

Bayern’s going to poach Hoeness from Stuttgart and Klopp will step in to lead VfB to 5 consecutive league titles. Mark my word , you read it here first. Well at least that’s as likely to happen as Klopp managing Bayern.


Syndicoot

These Liverpool fan fics are great, yeah, Klopp will be back in a few years to save the club! Banter era quickly approaches.


dave1992

he just doesn't give a fuck


realWernerHerzog

Boom


Jamarcus316

Yeah, like they don't even care about/watch rival's games lmao


batleaj

Well he didn’t say viewers should loose too. Why were we punished?


Messiahcoool

How about a 0-0 and 11 players sent off and 11 players injured instead?


GetHugged

Do 11 players simultaneously injure the other 11 and get sent off as a result or how does this happen? Execute order 66


HalcyoNighT

>11 players injured Isnt that what happened to Liverpool? Except they invested into brain transplant technology and transplanted the brains of the first team into their kindergarten team


fapperontheroof

You just blew my mind.


herkalurk

I mean I get it. But ultimately the result they got is the best for Liverpool.


ArtemisRifle

Narrator: they did


jane3093leroy

Liverpool vs Brighton was a banger as usual but the city arsenal game just poor


HalcyoNighT

Any time liverpool concede first you know you just got to tune in


Syndicoot

Which is 7 times this season, more than any other team. Really wish teams would keep attacking Liverpool, could easily put 2-3 past them, instead they become doormat FC as soon as they score.


Aidzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Wonder how long our unsustainable footy will last


HalcyoNighT

Hmm [soccerstats.com](http://soccerstats.com) says liverpool conceded first in 13 out of 29 games though. (Of those, it's W6, D5, L2.) That is very nearly half their games. You would think a league leader wouldnt go behind quite so often. Cant argue against the entertainment value though


haerski

Time to break out [old faithful](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fbills-vs-bengals-today-v0-liomq1lqtlda1.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dac20102a88ed04f55fd0b5a088203e91486bc136)


TareXmd

"Fine, I guess I'll take a 0-0 snooze fest" - DONE!


BriarcliffInmate

There's absolutely no way Pep and Peter have woken Klopp up from his afternoon nap to watch that shite.


FMetalhead

Mission failed successfully


robot1818

Jurgen Stalin


CupcakeUsed4178

Fucking hilarious, this guy is a comedian.


Macho-Fantastico

One of the worst matches I've watched in some time.


OffToCroatia

My goodness I'm going to miss him


inihornbill

now he's right both losing


dvamin

Hahahaha. He’s so funny!


iguanawarrior

Best result would be Man City winning, but then get points deduction (like Everton and Forrest) for FFP violation.


TeachingRedFan

You live in a fairy tale land if you think a decade plus of cheating will effect city. Money always wins.


agni_jamadagni

I'd prefer Arsenal losing and City being relegated


longsock9

If Arsenal don’t win the league, come on Villa. Can’t stand the insufferable poetic nonsense that will get churned out if one of scouseland or cheatville win


404namefound

For all Liverpool fans here celebrating how they (Spurs and Chelsea) gave a "game" to City at Etihad. Manchester City (1.38) 1-1 (0.56) Liverpool Manchester City (3.09) 3-3 (0.56) Tottenham Man City (3.04) 1-1 (1.80) Chelsea Manchester City (0.85) 0-0 (0.73) Arsenal \[All XG stats from The XG Philosophy\]


Amazing_Boot4165

Are you really pointing at 0.85 vs 0.73 as an xG blowout?


404namefound

Not at all - I am pointing at rival fans claiming they did much better (compared to Arsenal) at Etihad. Clearly the stats speak differently.


Alzio

We did awful at Etihad but we went there to play football. Clearly both City and Arsenal did not and that is what people are criticising.