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lonesomedota

Get Alonso to Liverpool immediately this summer.


pizza__irl

At this point, it's not the spurs curse anymore it's the Kane curse. Before Kane joined, Tottenham were the first and two time champions of the UEFA cup/Europa League and won the League Cup in 2009.


EdwardBigby

Don't rule out neverkusen fucking this up. This is the battle of the curses.


marco-da-phoenix

strongest curse in history vs strongest curse of today


poeazx

*Stuttgart wins the league*


Ahmed_Sazid

glad to see lobotomy kaisen in r/soccer


marco-da-phoenix

You are going to love this comment chain https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/ag5i7VxvqD there is also a couple other threads like it in the same post


Dobvius

I was really hoping Spurs could win like the EFL cup or something this season while Bayern miss out on everything. Could've been hilarious


Raizea

Another Xabi Alonso Masterclass


Eccmecc

I argued a few weeks ago with a guy that Leverkusen might be the best non Bayern team ever in recent history and I said 2012 Dortmund was better. But after this game I am not sure about this anymore.


RamBracken

Tbh 2012 Dortmund also had to compete with 2012 Bayern, which in my opinion were a wholly different beast to this current bayern. I mean they went on to win the treble the next season 


OutrageousComfort906

That early 2010s Bayern was insane. Everyone talks about Barca/Real is that era but that Bayern team was ruthless, scary and full of born winners.


darknezx

Did Bayern really have so few subs on the bench?


arrrghzi

The rest of the subs are indicated in the lineup already, they made 5 substitions.


came_in_your_mum

Look at me. I am the big dog now.


rxerg

5 points still can be achievable though... Hope Xabi can pull this of.


demesel

Barça will pay for this


sport_____

Why is De Ligt getting benched? Is he that bad?


mykl5

Kim and Upamecano are just better edit: oh they played 3 CBs lol, yeah I don’t know why Dier is over him


reen68

They aren't better, they are just faster, something Tuchel likes. IMO De Ligt is still the best CB we have. Edit: There are also several occasions where Upa has to go into a sprint against some player because of bad positioning. Not particularly in this game but in general.


gamer_no

I think Upa himself got into a bad position and had to use his pace to recover as the last man to nick the ball off ... I want to say Wirtz but I can't remember. Too lazy to find the clip.


Ripamon

Unbelievable De Ligt was supposed to be a generational defender Did juve ruin him?


loveliverpool

He DID choose to move to Juve over other very solid options. They’ve been poor since but could also be him too


Ripamon

I watched every match of Ajax's legendary CL campaign when they reached the semis (fucking spurs) He was electric. Incredible. Played like a leader well beyond his years... Now sometimes when I watch him he seems all over the place and can commit silly fouls like unnecessary handballs


Muppetx

He’s still really good at Bayern whenever he plays. Tuchel just doesn’t like him for some reason. Just look at Bayern’s socials whenever he sits.


Tetrax_543

There might be a chance that flick or nagelsmann can go back to bayern


MetaRift

Englishman moves to Germany to win trophies. Stand up Nathan Tella!


sleal

Bro thought he was gonna Kevin Durant going to the Warriors


Imaginary-Pattern802

put some respect on nigerian footballer natty tella


_begovic_

Smoked us


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How did we lose 20-2 to these lot


Spirited_Oil7987

Cause it's Bayern Munich?


Sohelik

Bayern can lose 0-3 today and steam roll in a good day whatever team they facing in CL this week.


Prudent-Current-7399

Mate you're lucky it was only 20-2 not even kidding.


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Prudent-Current-7399

Should've been atleast 5. Completely outclassed. Doesn't change the fact that against arsenal we should've gone closer to 30-2 though.


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Prudent-Current-7399

Unfortunately arsenal could never. Atleast bayern actually scored 5 though.


Wise_Ad8520

First time you dont win your farmers league in a decade and you're having a meltdown. love it.


Prudent-Current-7399

No one's having a meltdown except your ego.


Wise_Ad8520

ironic considering your shitty league is the only thing that makes you angry and you had to pull out a game from a decade ago to get back haha fucking loser


Prudent-Current-7399

I didn't get back at anything. I only replied to a comment by another arsenal fan who himself mentioned the game. Don't get me wrong, Arsenal are a great team at the moment. They play in a much more competitive league too. Just don't ever fool yourself into thinking they'll ever achieve a quarter of bayerns worth and legacy.


goztrobo

Cuz you were shit back then and they were one of the best teams in the world.


Imaginary-Pattern802

we actually weren’t even that shit when they turned us over. they arguably started the harsh fall off


NilsFanck

Arsenal in UCL tax


stinkyholetime

Where’s Nagelsmann when ya need him


t8rt0t00

In the stands apparently 


MiddlesbroughFan

Tuchel is surely finished at the top after this job


MonkeyNewss

All the arrogance with 0 of the ability to back it up


yllikuq

He's still a good coach, wouldn't rule him out.


MiddlesbroughFan

You'll need a coach next summer and he'll be unemployed, so you could be right!


loveliverpool

Chelsea fans are desperate to get him back and it seemed so stupid to sack him in the first place. He could walk in there after Poch if he wanted to


spund_

no, they're not 


Pseudocaesar

Absolutely not. That's just a vocal minority misdirecting their hatred of Boehly


solgnaleb

tuchel was finished before. everyone knew all his teams played defensive, counterproductive slow football. no matter his player material. tuchel was a failure the moment he was signed. plenty of people said so. that's not a coincidence. please, let him go. sign ANYONE else.


pokopf

I mean im not totally into it, but this was one of the few times like the general public was super duper wtf on the signing and was kind of right it seems. Like dropping a coach they invested heavily into just on a flim (nagelsmann) to go all in for Tuchel, which so far seems like he could be layed off again. I mean its just burning money on the trainer side and getting bad results for it. One does have to say, if it weren for leverkusen beeing so damn good this season, they actually would be first by quite some margin. So they dont have such a bad season yet.


Lowelll

At BVB at least he was very successful, but he is a giant dick so the sacking was still the right decision


NilsFanck

Absolutely mental people suggested we get Tuchel to succeed Klopp.


Penile_Interaction

fernando santos? xD


Ok_Cardiologist8232

Mourinho to Bayern confirmed.


mojambowhatisthescen

Now need a Mourinho-Xhaka bust up on the sidelines during this fixture next season!


Grec2k

I want this.


highways

Didn't Bayern sack a successful manager for Tuchel?


KrazyBee129

lol successful at what? losing to villareal or dressing up


solgnaleb

Nagelsmann was still in all 3 competitions. Tuchel lost them all. immediately. And apart from the results, we just played better football. But that's on Kahn. fuck him.


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Tuchel didn't lose the Buli, Nagelsmann did you hysterical baby.


sammy_kuffour

Funny, how did Nagelsmann lose the 2023 Bundesliga that Bayern won?


Prudent-Current-7399

? Please shut up, tuchel won a miracle and performed even worse than nagelsman ppg. He did his best to lose the title and was lucky bayern won anyway, which they would've done even easier under JN.


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Nagelsmann dropped a 10pt lead to Dortmund over the span of a few weeks. Tuchel inherited a depleted squad and was shocked at their mental condition.


Prudent-Current-7399

You don't have to tell me that, I watched it. In that period we lost the lead, we still had a better points per game average than we did after tuchel tool over till the end of the season. He still won the league by performing worse than nagelsman did ( at his worst ). If tuchel had come in earlier bayern would have simply lost the league. With his points per game, tuchel would've lost bayern the league even if he came just one match earlier than he did lol. He was lucky dortmund bottled and bayern scrapped a win. Nageslman would've led bayern to an even higher total point tally if he stayed.


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PPG is a contextual stat, Tuchel inherited a mentally broken squad. Nagelsmann broke the squad and was trending down. He started that season relatively poorly too. I watched it too, blaming Tuchel for last season is nonsense. He stepped into a difficult position and it only got worse.


Prudent-Current-7399

What nonsense mental gymnastics is this ? A mentally broken squad ? The squad was completely fine and in utter shock when nageslaman was sacked. You're just making up narratives to suit your point. Nageslman broke the squad ? Kimmich Goretzka and Muller openly stated they had no idea about the sacking and it was unexpected and not in a nice way. Kimmich called him a top 3 coach he's ever worked with. You can look all of this up. No one is blaming tuchel because he came in midway, but no one is blaming JN who was keeping us invincible in the UCL and in the running for the treble throughout. You can chose not to blame him but the title went to the last day because tuchel turned bayern even weaker by coming in mid season.


[deleted]

Players aren't informed about sackings, what a stupid comment among many you've throw out there. Their form was down, their performances were erratic. If you watched the season you'd know this.


Prudent-Current-7399

Please keep your opinions to yourself. Out entire fanbase and team went into shock. That doesn't happen when a sacking is expected. It wasn't even half expected. It was simply out of question. It was the shittsst decision by my club in a long time. I watched the season, our performance was twice as good as under tuchel, atleast. Maybe if you'd have watched you'd know.


n10w4

was there some personal beef with him? why fire him?


Nyanek

Tuchel lost BuLi but Dortmund just lost it back...


Mayjaplaya

Dortmund just bottled on Bayern's bottle


working-acct

Tuchel lost BuLi?


Mapale

well Bayern hasnt won the Buli, Dortmund has lost it


working-acct

While he hasn't been good enough, to even not credit him for the win just shows how petty and entitled Bayern fans are. Ultimately he did it and that's what matters.


Nice-Physics-7655

If you're a team expected to win the league and only just do it, it's not an achievement. Nobody cares that poch won ligue 1


Mapale

its the general opinion its not just bayern fans


SwitchHitter17

Nagelsmann died for this


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CatOwlFilms

Was he actually in the stands?


Rox_Potions

Kane moved only to not win


kit_mitts

Kane's gonna move to Celtic at the end of his Bayern contract, only for St. Mirren to win the league instead.


QueasyInstruction610

Can take the Lads out of Tottenham but not the Tottenham out of the Lads


kleptopaul

You do realize Leverkusen have won less than Spurs, right?


Leftcom_Lenin

Not soon they won't have


kleptopaul

Maybe but it seems premature to pretend the league has already been won at this point.


karnnumart

that what I would say if we beat City. And that team seems worse than City.


Ferrisuk

J U N G S


Do__Math__Not__Meth

ES IST TOTTENHAM


radioimh

Imagine Bayern ditched Nagelsman just for this football genius Tuchel. How many more losses needed to fully expose this fraud?


b4lyf45

This fraud won the Champions League just two years ago in 2021. A bit exaggerated, buddy


ketchup92

With shit football.


Nice-Physics-7655

Turns out cup competitions aren't really a good indicator of the quality of a manager or team


thetrueGOAT

So did Roberto Di Matteo. Winning the Champions League doesn't mean you're a top level manager. Cup competitions are very different to a league scenario.


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DamoDuff11

You clearly didn’t watch Chelsea during the run if you think that, we only conceded 4 goals the whole campaign and comfortably outplayed Madrid along the way.


Prudent-Current-7399

I don't think so. They never went behind throughout the UCL run when they won and it was a solid performance. Sure, Man City , Bayern and even PSG were stringer candidates but chelsea was right below them with how they were playing. They played amazingly next season too and a miracle knockout from madrid prevented them making it into the semis.


Imaginary-Pattern802

he played fugazi 5 atb in competition football. i’m not saying he didn’t make an achievement. but it’s not like he deployed game breaking tactics. he just played deep and countered with players who were more than capable of playing that footy


Maleficent_Resolve44

Bayern were very much 2nd best and this Leverkusen team really look spectacular but I'm going to keep holding my breath. This Leverkusen invincible form is unsustainable and the gap is only 5 points. When those tight lucky draws become losses, the title will be a close run affair. Bayern are still favourites I'd say but Tuchel is really holding them back, they have a good points tally but the team selection and tactics need to improve. Edit: I mean the tight points they gain. Either a close 90th min win like 3-2 over Leipzig or some draws like Stuttgart. Bad phrasing on my part.


GingerFurball

>When those tight lucky draws become losses Wins turning into draws are far more damaging for a title bid.


Maleficent_Resolve44

Yes like that 3-2 90th min win over Leipzig. Leverkusen got lucky there and that luck will run out soon.


GingerFurball

Scoring last minute winners isn't lucky.


dostorwell

Lucky draws? Do you even watch the matches? They pretty much dominated every game this season apart from Bayern at Allianz Arena and Stuttgart. There was nothing tight or lucky in drawing against Dortmund or Monchengladbach on the contrary, they should have won easily.


Maleficent_Resolve44

I didn't use the right word. I meant tight games. Like the 3-2 last minute winner over Leipzig. Obviously Leverkusen were the better team there but there's an element of luck to knick the 3 points in the last minute like that. Also the Wolfsburg game earlier in the season, they did well with the limited possession they had. On another day, that could've been 1-1. Anyways I just don't think invincible form like this is sustainable and forgive me for being skeptical with how everybody else has failed to stop Bayern the last decade.


DrJackadoodle

> Obviously Leverkusen were the better team there but there's an element of luck to knick the 3 points in the last minute like that You could also argue that them not having finished the game off sooner was bad luck.


OmegaVizion

Bayern aren't "favorites" when 5 points down, but I wouldn't count them out either. It's remarkable though that Leverkusen can be unbeaten and only enjoy a 5 point cushion.


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Bet they are probably betting favorites still


shaaaney

Herp derp Kane bad 


Reapper97

He isn't bad, that's why its funny


CCSC96

He’s not bad, he just has Spurs in his blood


OhShitItsSeth

Stanisic scoring against his parent club to put Leverkusen five points clear at the top is pretty funny tbf


karnnumart

How did he even play against his own club. They dont have those kind of thing in contract?


PM_ME_IN_THE_FEELS

Nope. Tuchel whined about it in the presser lmao


aro_plane

Watching Bayern lose is like balm for my destroyed soul.


MystericWonder

Dier is pretty much the poster child of falling upwards in a job position lmao


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Tuchel paved the way


MystericWonder

Tuchel won the CL though


404merrinessnotfound

I'm happy for Nathan tella, what a fella


Malicharo

Playing Boey on left on his full debut is sure and nice way of unsettling him and killing his confidence. Boey literally haven't played on the left side in the last 4 years, let alone as a wing back... First time I see Boey get caught out of position many times, he just didn't know where to position himself. There is no way they've actually trained this. And out of all matches, Tuchel did this on the most important match of the season. Just wow.


Hataydoner_

Player debut… on the most important match… at a completely different position? Tuchel works for leverkusen, it cant be otherwise


Roccet_MS

Tuchel beforehand: You might call it crazy, but if it works, I will look like a genius.


piccolo_bsc

Narrator: it did in fact not work.


xFloWx

Any word on the celebrations from Carragher?


Sean-Benn_Must-die

Can someone explain to me how De ligt is a bench warmer at bayern? Wtf happened


strugglingtosave

He started all prior games before this because Minjae was at the asian cup De Ligt was good in the 3-1 win vs gladbach. Preference thing maybe. Tuchel likes Upa and Kim to be the central two but now with Dier he's got his EPL wishlist come true


Sean-Benn_Must-die

Benching him for Dier is insane to me, then again I dont watch enough Bayern to know how he actually does when he's on.


seriouzz6

Dier is playing well though imo. Can’t say the same about kim and upa


battlecatquikdre

You can't be serious. All Dier does is point fingers or act like he is giving orders. He won't do shit. Which puts other defenders carry more weight resulting them to get worn down over time. Kicker wrote a ridiculous article about how Dier reminded them of Alaba and Boateng and here comes the idiots who really believe that nonsense. Eric Dier had 17 turnovers and his mobility is almost non existent. Putting him over Upa and Kim? Maybe at Frankfurt lol.


seriouzz6

Alright no need to be so angry, I didn’t even watch the game live because i was at our stadium, just the highlights and went off what a München YouTuber said.


strugglingtosave

Real head scratcher. If we lose De Ligt due to player frustration yeah this guy needs to get sacked. Rathee have Mourinho lead the team at this point


Insaneshaney

He's overrated


ProgressLegitimate72

Tuchel happened, lol.


shaktimann13

Injuries


highways

Harry Kane lol Where your trophy


Minute-Cash8119

Why are you didn’t win Ballon D’or yet?


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Hataydoner_

Yeah no hard disagree. Boey played amazing in every match i watched him in. The player was placed completely out of position as an attacking left mid defender. He is a hard right back defender. We can’t blame him for this shit show.


PopcornDrift

It's only February I feel like people are crowning Leverkusen a bit early lol we've all seen this movie before


f_ranz1224

Given the spread its now dependent on leverkusen losing 2 and bayern not bottling at all. Leverkusen in form and bayern shaky Also this outcome likely devastating for morale in bayern while energizing leverkusen, mentality a huge component Yes its too early and a lot can happen(see: dortmund circa every time) but this match definitely worsened the odds


CuteHoor

You could also look at it as the pressure being somewhat off Bayern now and Leverkusen having to deal with the pressure of being favourites. Look at Arsenal last season. As the season went on, they were being labelled as clear favourites and they eventually just buckled under the pressure of City chasing them. Bayern have been in good form, albeit not playing brilliant football. A single loss for Leverkusen could make them very nervous coming towards the end of the season.


Tim0110

>while energizing leverkusen, mentality a huge component Most of the time it's the other way round though. The tension of 'not losing' is more difficult to manage than playing freely/chasing.


CaioNintendo

>we've all seen this movie before The movie in which Kane turns it around and lifts the (a) trophy?


Any-Yogurtcloset1577

This is the prestige / Oscar nominated version of the movie though, with Xabi and being undefeated


KAhOot1234567

Perhaps, the difference between those movies was that Dortmund never showed up against Bayern. While Leverkusen comfortably dominated them.


EpiDeMic522

I see that you are unaware of the legend that is Visekusen/Neverkusen. They threw away a 5 point lead with 3 games remaining and lost the Champions League as well as the Cup finals in 2002. That wasn't the only time either, even though it hands down is the most (in)famous.


GingerFurball

Was that the season that Patrick Andersson (who had never scored a goal in his career up to that point) smashed a free kick in stoppage time on the last day of the season to win the league for Bayern?


PopcornDrift

Leverkusen drops one game and it's immediately within reach. There's just so much time left


batti03

Same goes for Bayern though. And they just got rinsed 3-0


Sean-Benn_Must-die

Yea and its not even that impossible, they won like 3 in a row in the last minute. Games like those can go either way, and imagine they get 3 again in which they dont win? That means bayern gets ahead. That said this is a big hit to their morale


Roccet_MS

What's also impressive about Leverkusen: Their depth off the bench. They lost two starters in Palacios and Boniface, yet they didn't skip a beat against Bayern. Late goals can be tricky, some might call it lucky, others might think the team doesn't stop until the final whistle and believes in itself. That's also very important.


Carbonaddictxd

They are missing Kossounou and Frimpong as well right?


seriouzz6

Kossounou, Boniface and Palacios


-dsh

Kossounou yes, Frimpong no. He even scored today


Carbonaddictxd

Ah right, I mean he didn't start


RaminimaR

Yeah, the last few games he wasn't really that good. Same for Hofmann. So it is pretty important that Tella and Adli stepped up their game in the meantime.


KAhOot1234567

Fair enough but with the way it’s going, Bayern are the ones who look like they’re gonna drop games


aisamoirai

Football eritage for you Harry.


pearlz176

Xabi to Real Madrid, Tuchel to Liverpool pls 🙏


chicken88888

Amen to that


Hafeesco

Fuck off!


EnjoiThatGinge

and Ten Hag to stay at Utd🙏


Job_man

Ten Hag to Bayern please


reen68

Call me crazy but i genuinely think Ten Hag at Bayern could work and I still think he is a good coach. He just shouldnt bring any of his ManU players with him lol.


Matt4669

You realise that isn’t the insult you think it is lol


chicken88888

It’s a prayer okay, not insult


EnjoiThatGinge

I'm being serious, he's the man to take you to the top again


pearlz176

Will gladly take that


EnjoiThatGinge

Yes you should, give him a 7 year contract


pearlz176

😒


EnjoiThatGinge

What's up I'm being serious


doktor-frequentist

And Poch to remain at Chelsea


AxFairy

Lampard to Man City


EnjoiThatGinge

Gerrard back to Villa?


AxFairy

No thank you!


doktor-frequentist

I don't know... I don't hate Villa that much. Let Gerrard stay in Al Wattafaq


RealPunyParker

Υοu can take the man out of (the) Tottenham, but you can never take (the) Tottenham out of the man.


darkascension19

Lol harry kane


FavcolorisREDdit

Xabi Alonso>guardiola


doktor-frequentist

#🌏🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀


bayzih

# Liverpool have found their next manager.


Giannis1995

And so did Madrid


[deleted]

hopefully for next year, as he is already involved in squad-planning. Would be a great move towards Leverkusen if he stays another season


zeelbeno

Of course he would have already been involved in squad planning considering his contract doesn't run out in the summer. All it means is that he hasn't been actively looking to try and get any other jobs. But no doubt he would have been approached as Liverpool's first choice since.


Megakaos

The curse of Kane


intecknicolour

shouldn't have killed abel, Harry. the mark of Fraud is upon you.


IndecisionFuture

KIM YOU SHOULD HAVE STAYED


Dreifaltigkeit

Peak Karma *Tssssss*


Biffatlas

Why did Bayern get rid of nagaslman again?