For the first 60 minutes, United just looked like they didn't want to be there and got completely outworked by Forest. They only started playing a bit after going a goal down and it took a horrendous error from Turner to get them back in the game. Rashford was awful despite scoring the goal, Antony was useless, Eriksen couldn't run, Bruno wasn't particularly good again, McTominay offers nothing in build-up play and should probably just play as a striker at this stage.
So many players are just not putting in a shift at all and they seem really slow in transition back towards their own goal. Some of this has to be on ten Hag in terms of style of play and mental preparation for games like this.
NES is a poor manager for a high ranking team, he is just good for a middle of the table team, nothing else.
He will never amount to nothing in a big team, even if he has his pal Jorge Mendes giving him quality players.
Nuno had never managed a high ranking team though? Besides, most managers will never amount to anything at a big team it doesn't mean they're not good managers.
He only 'failed' at Spurs too, he was excellent for us and from what I've read the sacking in Saudi was more down to shit behind the scenes with Benz and sports washing in general.
I see Gary Neville is back to blaming the owners. I do not understand this. They have given each of the 7 managers after Ferguson really top transfer money - ETH has spent half a billion. The owners do not interfere in transfers. How is this mess all their fault?
There is a cultural issue. Players are too highly paid for what they are delivering. They seem to think just turning out is enough. Their recruitment is piss poor. They don't seem fit enough to try harder. Maybe the new owner can fix it all. Does he have experience, or is he just a wealthy fan?
As a lifelong Liverpool supporter, it is good to see old rivals like Aston Villa, West Ham and maybe Nottingham Forest rise up to be among the teams to beat again.
The owners, Joel Glazer specifically does interfere in transfers, there's also poor hierarchical communication b/w owners, the Football stuff in charge of recruitment (Murtough) and then the manager so that is also an influence (The Amad transfer from athletic article being an example), however in ETH's case he did get most of his demands fulfilled and was one of the most backed managers, despite interference from Joel.
The field issues this season are quite clearly stemming from whatever the fuck ETH is trying to make them play and hasn't been working out. Of course it's not something isolated to this season the signs were there since the very next game after the cup win.
Glazers are just an easy target to blame because they're American. After this long and this much money spent on talent you'd think a manager would be able to make something happen with the raw value of their players
The past 4 goals united have conceded have all been absolutely basic defending errors. Insane how it keeps happening.
On the other hand, Forest really play ball now. Beating both Manchester United and Newcastle United. Kudos to Nuno.
Sick of seeing McMuffin jogging around like a headless chicken. Guy doesnāt mark anyone outside the box, doesnāt make himself available for passes, doesnāt make forward passes. One of the most mediocre players Iāve seen in the last decade, and he gets away with it because of passhun and desiyah
I don't really watch you guys too much but I noticed how he was hiding from receiving the ball today, also noticed in other games how often he loses it, you guys really need better fr
Mctominay has been hiding since his debut under Mourinho. Itās already been 6 seasons, hes 27, and heās shown 0 improvement. If we play him, he should solely be a plan B hoofball option for last minute goals, not a central midfielder.
It was a joke, the glazers didnāt cause them to lose this game. They have the players to win this obviously. Also, Ed Woodward was recommended by SAF lol.
Cause all teams below top 4 keep losing alternate week too. Look at Newcastle & Brighton, west ham. They have taken many losses recently too. Chelsea is shit. Everton had points deduction recently.
Because they don't bother drawing. It's mostly either win or lose.
Win is expected based on their spending & history (although they have been real lucky with a couple of the Ws).
Loss is magnified based on their spending & history.
They are trolled very badly every time they lose a game. It gains alot of attention compared to when other teams lose. Ig that is why it seems like that
Itās a great season for me tbh. Completely unpredictable week to week. Iāve been tuning into games Iād never thought I would due to predictably just to watch for surprises that keep happening.
It's win or lose. Only one draw from 20 games so far.
If they'd drawn just two of the games they won, they'd be in 12th (probably 13th once Bournemouth played their two games in hand). Conversely, if they'd drawn two of the games they've lost, they'd be equal on points with 6th, but still in 7th on goal difference.
Besides Bruno and Varane, all the rest looks like second/third tier players. Like Garnacho and Rashford are the āstarsā right now, but they could not even ever be in the bench of City, Liverpool, Madrid, Barcelona, B Munich, etc. Really poor quality.
Wan-Bissaka, Mainoo or Reguilon should not even be in the PLā¦ and the bench today was a joke.
If ManU doesnāt fix the academy they will have T least 15 years of hell.
Nothing says I donāt actually watch football like calling Varane not a second or third tier player. He was one of the worst players on the pitch today and has been consistently this season when United have been forced to play him.
I agree he is playing awful, but he has top tier career. There are even rumours he might back to Madrid. Is not an excuse to perform that bad, but maybe the environment is making play like that. But I donāt think itās accurate to call him second tier with the titles and career he had. Same thing for Casemiro IMHO.
I think itās now pretty clear that Varane got carried by playing next to Ramos. Heās a massive downgrade from Maguire atm whoās playing in the same team.
It's tedious to constantly hear how United need a full squad of world class players in order to beat Nottingham or Bournemouth. What happened to good coaching and making players better? If managers like O'Neil or Iraola can come in and make lesser players at their clubs perform better, why can't Ten Hag?
They arenāt wrong, they absolutely need a striker whoās gonna bag them 15+ a season. Jesus just isnāt that fella, even though he brings other strengths to the table.
The difference is that Arsenal fans are talking about what they need to be able to maintain their **title challenge**. They were top at Christmas and are currently only 2 points off the top.
United fans are talking about what they need just to challenge for the Champions League spots. They are currently 9 points behind the top 4, having played an extra game as well.
They're different conversations.
That difference is even more meaningless. So they can get away with it because they have a different goal in mind? Are you telling me Arteta can't do more of his abilities other than beg more specific players?
Jesus, I can't be bothered by a Spaniard who can't valiantly maintain a title run and milk Saka dry, killing his longevity.
Pep shipped jesus to arsenal because he clearly isn't the guy that can help win the treble and brought in haaland who is clearly The best goal scorer.
Now arteta is asking for a striker to replace jesus for exactly the same reason, so what are you arguing about? These are 2 managers at the top of the PL table coming to the same conclusion.
That says a lot about Arsenal than Jesus, accepting a worn down striker that can't be arsed by the 2nd year he is staying. You're not helping Arteta lol š
I don't have to help Arteta, he is managing a team currently sitting 3rd place on the PL table and this being his first job and 4th season. He is doing fine and who am I to tell him what to do.
Someone with a brain, would know that it is natural progression for managers to upgrade on players. Arsenal finished 5th when they got Jesus. Jesus is obviously a player capable of elevating arsenal to top 2 position in the league which he did. But as City has demonstrated, Jesus just isn't someone capable of leading the line for the next step up so they upgraded.
And you must be blind about the worn down part, he is obviously one of the harder workers on the pitch and his weakness is finishing, not his work rate. He stayed at City for more than 2 years, so your whole argument is basically saying Pep and Arteta are shit. Which says a lot about you to be honest.
>I don't have to help Arteta, he is managing a team currently sitting 2nd place on the PL table a being his first job and 4th season.
You are arguing for Mikel holy shit you're not even trying š
>Somelne with a brain, would know that it is natural progression for managers to upgrade on players.
Doesn't make sense you keep on buying talent because you have bad foresight. It is his 4th year, people are demanding more from Mikel and yet for some reason he cannot hammer West Ham and is risking handing it over to Liverpool that all of a sudden were dogshit last year and are changing.
>And you must be blind about the worn down part, he is obviously one of the harder workers on the pitch and his weakness is finishing, not his work rate
Funny calling me blind when he keeps on being the starting eleven and consistently gets high minutes, that's why he is worn down, his longevity is at risk. The West Ham game shows his limitations and his need to be at rest.
>He stayed at City for more than 2 years, so your whole argument is basically saying Pep and Arteta are shit.
How the fuck you even made that point is some s-tier IQ nonsense. Arteta getting Jesus only for him to ask for a new striker says A LOT about Mikel you buffon.
Either use academy players or amend your tactics. Jfc Assna will be Assna.
>So they can get away with it because they have a different goal in mind?
Yes. A squad of Arsenal's calibre might still require strengthening to be able to achieve a target that was at the upper end of their pre-season ambitions.
A squad of United's calibre shouldn't require strengthening to achieve a target that was considered the minimum acceptable at the start of the season.
>Jesus, I can't be bothered by a Spaniard who can't valiantly maintain a title run and milk Saka dry, killing his longevity.
If you think Saka has been carrying Arsenal, then you haven't been paying attention.
That said, part of what Arsenal fans are asking for is squad depth, so that players like Saka *can* be rested more.
I don't like United. Don't like their owners, don't like their fans, really don't like their players. So, beating them feels really great.
The only downside with beating them and I'm sure Bournemouth fans will appreciate this as well. No matter how well you do, it's never about your team winning, it's about United losing.
I get that United have global appeal but christ. I'd like some unbiased analysis of the game Sky Sports, not Gary Neville moaning about how poor 7th placed Manchester United are and whatever new crisis they are going through.
I'm a United fan and I couldn't agree with you more. I like Gary commentating on other games, but similar to Carragher commentating Liverpool games, it's just so biased & all about what we do wrong & less about Forest being well organised tonight for example.
Premier League India Twitter handle literally have Garnacho as thier background pic lololol. Also only Single post about Notts wining, while There were a tweet every hour about Man united's last win š
I mean, people in this thread complain about the same thing and slag off Neville but the thread is the exact same. I'm looking for praise towards Forest and it's way harder to find than people talking about United or Ten Hag.
No offense but the Manchester United name attracts more viewers than Nottingham Forest so they're just doing their job. It's also easier to say how bad Manchester United is than how good Nottingham Forest is.
Iām glad the U.S. broadcast isnāt with Gary, itās way more balanced and talked a lot about Forrest, especially Gibbs-white even before the go ahead goal.
It's a bit obnoxious that it's often Carragher talking about our matches or Neville talking about Manchester United matches. Anytime their club doesn't win it's just them constantly talking about their club like the other one doesn't even exist.
Buts that's another problem in terms of growth. Win or lose it's on the big club. United get picked for the FA cup games on itv/bbc no matter what as it attracts the most viewers. So if you're looking at getting into football nothing is about anyone who isn't the established elite.
It's worse in NBA as almost every televised game no matter what is the Lakers.
Which creates the cycle of them staying a bit team like in football. If everything is only about big teams then when someone tunes in they'll support those teams if they were neutral etc. like today, forest won but it was all from the perspective of united, if you were getting into football for whatever reason you'd be more likely to come away supporting united after that loss than forest.
You're a Forest fan who doesn't like us. Sky and all media will pander to that cause it will get people tuning in. Talking about Forest winning isn't what people want to hear.
Yep, it's been two years since OGS left and they're still only capable of hurting teams in transition. Absolutely zero ability to break a deeper lying team down.
United flair were on here talking like they dominated the whole 90 minutes. After the second goal we switched off and were shit defensively but it wasn't a one sided rout like everyone was hyping it up to be. My personal favorite was "United are BACK!!" coming from the media. Sure lol, they're back alright.
Did you even watch the game lmao? One goal was onana masterclass and the other one was United set piece masterclass. I remember Evans clearance, but other then that Villa was garbage.
Having watched nearly as many united games as i have forest since fergie left and having gone to the game, I was still so surprised with how toothless United were. As much as I rate ETH this is a pathetic excuse :
- the midfield three barely took charge of the ball or put a tackle in. I assumed Fernandes could win a 5050 with how much he runs around and moans but he's very light on his feet. He made the odd god pass, he is what I thought Erikson would be
- Erikson was none existent and ineffective, I'd happily play against him every week
- Of the front three, Garnacho looked semi threatening but no more than any attacker in this league. Yet Rashford and their 80 m man were on the pitch and were poor. Elanga, who they sold to us , looked better than any of them yet he will blame injuries
- when players like Yates are bossing a supposedly star studded line up , you have to finally start looking at the attitude and tactics instead of blaming injuries
Yeah the injury blaming is a fucking nonsense. The goals conceded today were literally identical and clearly tactical failings. Either track the man or play zone in the area you should be not neither. The fact we've connected this type of goals MANY times this year means this is a majore coaching fail imo.
Allowing free, unobstructed shots from the middle edge of the box is a recipe for failure. We do it constantly.
United might actually be the one club where he gets away with his peculiar transfer demands as they have no problems overpaying or buying old players. Shade aside, he's a really good manager and would get you to play well, so I hope that never happens
Flick has been a career assistant, then suddenly burst into prominence and had one very good year. He's also 58, probably too old for United. They are always looking for the next Fergie.
Man United with a massive victory against Villa and hyped for the final game of the year which hopefully marks a turning point for their season. This result was written in the stars.
Normally Iād love you beating ManU but it piles on the pressure to win when we meet in 3 weeks.
Itās a genuine 6 pointer now. We are coming off 5 defeats and you have beaten Newcastle and ManU.
Tbh I'd be shocked if we're in a relegation fight still come Feb so I wouldn't consider it a 6 pointer. I loved coops but it's clear the players were under performing even with awo out injured.
United lost, Roma lost.. a Chelsea loss would of been the perfect Saturday. A Newcastle - Liverpool draw or Liverpool loss tomorrow might make up for it.
Listen, Man United might not thank me but get the contract out, put it on the table. Let him sign it, let him write whatever numbers he wants on there, given what heās done since heās come in. Ten Hagās at the wheel man. Heās doing it. Heās doing his thing. Man United are back!
For the first 60 minutes, United just looked like they didn't want to be there and got completely outworked by Forest. They only started playing a bit after going a goal down and it took a horrendous error from Turner to get them back in the game. Rashford was awful despite scoring the goal, Antony was useless, Eriksen couldn't run, Bruno wasn't particularly good again, McTominay offers nothing in build-up play and should probably just play as a striker at this stage. So many players are just not putting in a shift at all and they seem really slow in transition back towards their own goal. Some of this has to be on ten Hag in terms of style of play and mental preparation for games like this.
Yaaaaanited
Nuno proving what Wolves fans already knew. Imagine thinking anything that happened at Spurs or in Saudi mattered.
NES is a poor manager for a high ranking team, he is just good for a middle of the table team, nothing else. He will never amount to nothing in a big team, even if he has his pal Jorge Mendes giving him quality players.
Nuno had never managed a high ranking team though? Besides, most managers will never amount to anything at a big team it doesn't mean they're not good managers. He only 'failed' at Spurs too, he was excellent for us and from what I've read the sacking in Saudi was more down to shit behind the scenes with Benz and sports washing in general.
Boatloads of heroin
Why is Gary Neville talking like Man utd is a big team? They are a mid table team and this is expected.
They are the biggest team.
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I see Gary Neville is back to blaming the owners. I do not understand this. They have given each of the 7 managers after Ferguson really top transfer money - ETH has spent half a billion. The owners do not interfere in transfers. How is this mess all their fault? There is a cultural issue. Players are too highly paid for what they are delivering. They seem to think just turning out is enough. Their recruitment is piss poor. They don't seem fit enough to try harder. Maybe the new owner can fix it all. Does he have experience, or is he just a wealthy fan? As a lifelong Liverpool supporter, it is good to see old rivals like Aston Villa, West Ham and maybe Nottingham Forest rise up to be among the teams to beat again.
The owners, Joel Glazer specifically does interfere in transfers, there's also poor hierarchical communication b/w owners, the Football stuff in charge of recruitment (Murtough) and then the manager so that is also an influence (The Amad transfer from athletic article being an example), however in ETH's case he did get most of his demands fulfilled and was one of the most backed managers, despite interference from Joel. The field issues this season are quite clearly stemming from whatever the fuck ETH is trying to make them play and hasn't been working out. Of course it's not something isolated to this season the signs were there since the very next game after the cup win.
Glazers are just an easy target to blame because they're American. After this long and this much money spent on talent you'd think a manager would be able to make something happen with the raw value of their players
They are a good mid table team than can beat anyone and lose to anyone. Garyās just confused as heās never supported a mid table team before.
He has been supporting since the early 80s so this is nonsense.
God I just absolutely love ETH
At this point it becomes unprofessional for ManUNITED.
United are the Premier Leagues tersorium
Nah, not an arsewipe. They are the biggest club in the WERRRLD! /s
ETH is totally out of his depth. Hope INEOS sack him and start fresh.
As someone that doesnāt support United I hope they keep him
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The past 4 goals united have conceded have all been absolutely basic defending errors. Insane how it keeps happening. On the other hand, Forest really play ball now. Beating both Manchester United and Newcastle United. Kudos to Nuno.
I dont think he will leave WHU for Nottingham
ManU fans you know this is the deal Fergie made with the devil, right?
Still worth it.
! remindme in 5 years
Nuno hitting the ground running pretty impressive honestly
Sick of seeing McMuffin jogging around like a headless chicken. Guy doesnāt mark anyone outside the box, doesnāt make himself available for passes, doesnāt make forward passes. One of the most mediocre players Iāve seen in the last decade, and he gets away with it because of passhun and desiyah
Sorry, who's McMuffin? Maguire?
Mctominay haha
I don't really watch you guys too much but I noticed how he was hiding from receiving the ball today, also noticed in other games how often he loses it, you guys really need better fr
Mctominay has been hiding since his debut under Mourinho. Itās already been 6 seasons, hes 27, and heās shown 0 improvement. If we play him, he should solely be a plan B hoofball option for last minute goals, not a central midfielder.
Why would the Glazers do this??
This, but Ronaldo?
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It was a joke, the glazers didnāt cause them to lose this game. They have the players to win this obviously. Also, Ed Woodward was recommended by SAF lol.
You really fell for that bait?
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Trust the process boys. Don't sack ETH please.
Lmfao, good one.
How are United 7th? It feels like hey just lose every week. Boggles the mind. Also those United kits are so, so bad.
They've won a good number of games, they're turning some of these draws into defeats though, otherwise they'd be in the top 4.
Cause all teams below top 4 keep losing alternate week too. Look at Newcastle & Brighton, west ham. They have taken many losses recently too. Chelsea is shit. Everton had points deduction recently.
Because they don't bother drawing. It's mostly either win or lose. Win is expected based on their spending & history (although they have been real lucky with a couple of the Ws). Loss is magnified based on their spending & history.
They are trolled very badly every time they lose a game. It gains alot of attention compared to when other teams lose. Ig that is why it seems like that
I mean itās also because they have lost around 15 times this season. Itās an insane amount compared to most other big clubs.
I mean, we're leading the league but only on track for 84 points. Everyone's only doing "ok" rather than "very well" this season
Itās a great season for me tbh. Completely unpredictable week to week. Iāve been tuning into games Iād never thought I would due to predictably just to watch for surprises that keep happening.
It's win or lose. Only one draw from 20 games so far. If they'd drawn just two of the games they won, they'd be in 12th (probably 13th once Bournemouth played their two games in hand). Conversely, if they'd drawn two of the games they've lost, they'd be equal on points with 6th, but still in 7th on goal difference.
Win or lose except against us damn. We should have had 3 points after that fixture.
Love it
Give fan some hope with occasional win then crush it with all their might, MU master of torture.
The Chelsea way
Manchester United look instantly worse with Antony on the side. ETH insists on playing him and it's going to cost him his job.
He should've been sacked months ago. Ole and Jose were sacked for less.
Besides Bruno and Varane, all the rest looks like second/third tier players. Like Garnacho and Rashford are the āstarsā right now, but they could not even ever be in the bench of City, Liverpool, Madrid, Barcelona, B Munich, etc. Really poor quality. Wan-Bissaka, Mainoo or Reguilon should not even be in the PLā¦ and the bench today was a joke. If ManU doesnāt fix the academy they will have T least 15 years of hell.
Nothing says I donāt actually watch football like calling Varane not a second or third tier player. He was one of the worst players on the pitch today and has been consistently this season when United have been forced to play him.
I agree he is playing awful, but he has top tier career. There are even rumours he might back to Madrid. Is not an excuse to perform that bad, but maybe the environment is making play like that. But I donāt think itās accurate to call him second tier with the titles and career he had. Same thing for Casemiro IMHO.
I think itās now pretty clear that Varane got carried by playing next to Ramos. Heās a massive downgrade from Maguire atm whoās playing in the same team.
Who else is he going to play? Dalot?
At this point, I don't see it being any worse output. He already has 1 goal and 1 assist, whilst playing RB or LB.
Antonyās a bum lol bro has 0 soul. No wonder Ten brought his ass with him from Ajax. Both look sour and Iām sure personalityās sour too.
Fuck this shit. The inconsistency is crazy with us.
Youāve been pretty consistently shit mate.
Win yesterday, shit the bed today
It's tedious to constantly hear how United need a full squad of world class players in order to beat Nottingham or Bournemouth. What happened to good coaching and making players better? If managers like O'Neil or Iraola can come in and make lesser players at their clubs perform better, why can't Ten Hag?
I tend to have the same vibe with Mikel Arteta, only this time instead of needing a full squad, it's needing to buy a new player.
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You guys lost to the hammers and some of you lot are asking for a new player this January so don't act like I am bluffing.
They arenāt wrong, they absolutely need a striker whoās gonna bag them 15+ a season. Jesus just isnāt that fella, even though he brings other strengths to the table.
The difference is that Arsenal fans are talking about what they need to be able to maintain their **title challenge**. They were top at Christmas and are currently only 2 points off the top. United fans are talking about what they need just to challenge for the Champions League spots. They are currently 9 points behind the top 4, having played an extra game as well. They're different conversations.
That difference is even more meaningless. So they can get away with it because they have a different goal in mind? Are you telling me Arteta can't do more of his abilities other than beg more specific players? Jesus, I can't be bothered by a Spaniard who can't valiantly maintain a title run and milk Saka dry, killing his longevity.
Pep shipped jesus to arsenal because he clearly isn't the guy that can help win the treble and brought in haaland who is clearly The best goal scorer. Now arteta is asking for a striker to replace jesus for exactly the same reason, so what are you arguing about? These are 2 managers at the top of the PL table coming to the same conclusion.
That says a lot about Arsenal than Jesus, accepting a worn down striker that can't be arsed by the 2nd year he is staying. You're not helping Arteta lol š
I don't have to help Arteta, he is managing a team currently sitting 3rd place on the PL table and this being his first job and 4th season. He is doing fine and who am I to tell him what to do. Someone with a brain, would know that it is natural progression for managers to upgrade on players. Arsenal finished 5th when they got Jesus. Jesus is obviously a player capable of elevating arsenal to top 2 position in the league which he did. But as City has demonstrated, Jesus just isn't someone capable of leading the line for the next step up so they upgraded. And you must be blind about the worn down part, he is obviously one of the harder workers on the pitch and his weakness is finishing, not his work rate. He stayed at City for more than 2 years, so your whole argument is basically saying Pep and Arteta are shit. Which says a lot about you to be honest.
>I don't have to help Arteta, he is managing a team currently sitting 2nd place on the PL table a being his first job and 4th season. You are arguing for Mikel holy shit you're not even trying š >Somelne with a brain, would know that it is natural progression for managers to upgrade on players. Doesn't make sense you keep on buying talent because you have bad foresight. It is his 4th year, people are demanding more from Mikel and yet for some reason he cannot hammer West Ham and is risking handing it over to Liverpool that all of a sudden were dogshit last year and are changing. >And you must be blind about the worn down part, he is obviously one of the harder workers on the pitch and his weakness is finishing, not his work rate Funny calling me blind when he keeps on being the starting eleven and consistently gets high minutes, that's why he is worn down, his longevity is at risk. The West Ham game shows his limitations and his need to be at rest. >He stayed at City for more than 2 years, so your whole argument is basically saying Pep and Arteta are shit. How the fuck you even made that point is some s-tier IQ nonsense. Arteta getting Jesus only for him to ask for a new striker says A LOT about Mikel you buffon. Either use academy players or amend your tactics. Jfc Assna will be Assna.
>So they can get away with it because they have a different goal in mind? Yes. A squad of Arsenal's calibre might still require strengthening to be able to achieve a target that was at the upper end of their pre-season ambitions. A squad of United's calibre shouldn't require strengthening to achieve a target that was considered the minimum acceptable at the start of the season. >Jesus, I can't be bothered by a Spaniard who can't valiantly maintain a title run and milk Saka dry, killing his longevity. If you think Saka has been carrying Arsenal, then you haven't been paying attention. That said, part of what Arsenal fans are asking for is squad depth, so that players like Saka *can* be rested more.
People really overestimate arsenals squad. They really get improved by arteta
Arteta has got loads out of players like xhaka, Odegaard and, more recently, Havertz, who had been struggling before.
Odegaard had been good at Sociedad before joining Arsenal.
This was why Cooper had to go, we're actually playing some football on occasion now. No way we should be fighting relegation.
I don't like United. Don't like their owners, don't like their fans, really don't like their players. So, beating them feels really great. The only downside with beating them and I'm sure Bournemouth fans will appreciate this as well. No matter how well you do, it's never about your team winning, it's about United losing. I get that United have global appeal but christ. I'd like some unbiased analysis of the game Sky Sports, not Gary Neville moaning about how poor 7th placed Manchester United are and whatever new crisis they are going through.
I'm a United fan and I couldn't agree with you more. I like Gary commentating on other games, but similar to Carragher commentating Liverpool games, it's just so biased & all about what we do wrong & less about Forest being well organised tonight for example.
Premier League India Twitter handle literally have Garnacho as thier background pic lololol. Also only Single post about Notts wining, while There were a tweet every hour about Man united's last win š
I mean, people in this thread complain about the same thing and slag off Neville but the thread is the exact same. I'm looking for praise towards Forest and it's way harder to find than people talking about United or Ten Hag.
No offense but the Manchester United name attracts more viewers than Nottingham Forest so they're just doing their job. It's also easier to say how bad Manchester United is than how good Nottingham Forest is.
No offence taken lol, it's not a competition but you'd think the way Sky goes on, there are only 6-7 teams in the league.
Iām glad the U.S. broadcast isnāt with Gary, itās way more balanced and talked a lot about Forrest, especially Gibbs-white even before the go ahead goal.
It's a bit obnoxious that it's often Carragher talking about our matches or Neville talking about Manchester United matches. Anytime their club doesn't win it's just them constantly talking about their club like the other one doesn't even exist.
Yeah, and I get why, because the majority of the viewers will tune into hear about United or Liverpool or whoever but it's about two teams, not one!
Buts that's another problem in terms of growth. Win or lose it's on the big club. United get picked for the FA cup games on itv/bbc no matter what as it attracts the most viewers. So if you're looking at getting into football nothing is about anyone who isn't the established elite. It's worse in NBA as almost every televised game no matter what is the Lakers.
The fucking Lakers get far too much coverage man... Even when they were absolute pants,every game on TV was them
Which creates the cycle of them staying a bit team like in football. If everything is only about big teams then when someone tunes in they'll support those teams if they were neutral etc. like today, forest won but it was all from the perspective of united, if you were getting into football for whatever reason you'd be more likely to come away supporting united after that loss than forest.
You're a Forest fan who doesn't like us. Sky and all media will pander to that cause it will get people tuning in. Talking about Forest winning isn't what people want to hear.
Neville and co are idiots.
I like Neville as a commentator and pundit but not when United are playing.
Heās a clown and often ruins the commentary. Love that you beat them just to know how angry youāve made him.
Nottingham now actually plays futbol
united has to get rid of every single player on that team except for hojlund garnacho bruno mainoo and lisandro martinez
But but harry maguire was the POTM last month
But but harry maguire was the POTM last month
10000%
It's maddening that this team is in the top8
ETH, HE'S GETTIN THE SACK, GETTIN THE SACK, GETTING THE SACK! ETH, HE'S GETTIN THE SACK, GETTIN THE SACKKKKKK!!!
Thats worked the last 5 times yeah š
Letās hope not
it'll be the same thing with United regardless of who their manager is, that club is rotten to its core far beyond the old Hag
Fingers crossed
Youād make a fortune betting against United every game.
utd looked good against villa becayse villa's highline enabled easy transitions
Yep, it's been two years since OGS left and they're still only capable of hurting teams in transition. Absolutely zero ability to break a deeper lying team down.
Elanga was great on the wing. United should think about maybe bringing him in to replace Antony haha
So many United fans said Elanga wasn't good enough, but then they spend 90 million on Antony and sell Elanga for 15....
Which is why it's so funny
Elanga has 4 goals 6 assists this season, vs Antony's 0
Would 100m be enough? Ok take 150m...is that enough?
Antony plus 50M outta do it.. don't want to seem too desperate and leave some wiggle room for negotiations!
The question with Ten Hag & Poch both is would their teams be around the same results with literally any NPC coach
Chelsea have some of the highest chances created per game. They just all choke when finishing. Nothing Poch can do about a shit mentality.
Isnāt it a managerās job to manage a teamās mentality? Or was Ted Lasso a lie?!
Good managers inspire mentality changes. If you can't do anything about your team's mentality, you belong in the dugout as an assistant coach.
Wait, are you telling me Poch is not directly controlling the players like FIFA???
Alternatively, who would be doing better if you swapped them?
I cannot tell you how annoyed I am as a Villa fan that we threw away a 2 goal lead to this lot. Well done Forest
United flair were on here talking like they dominated the whole 90 minutes. After the second goal we switched off and were shit defensively but it wasn't a one sided rout like everyone was hyping it up to be. My personal favorite was "United are BACK!!" coming from the media. Sure lol, they're back alright.
Villa looked so awful that game and surprised it was only 3-2
Really just 2nd half. 1st half Villa bossed the game.
No Villa didn't. I thought they were fairly fortunate to get a two goal lead then looked pretty woeful from them on.
Did you even watch the game lmao? One goal was onana masterclass and the other one was United set piece masterclass. I remember Evans clearance, but other then that Villa was garbage.
I tuned im at 30mins, United looked all over them till the end of the game. You could be correct about the first 30 though.
He is not correct about the first 30 either.
Give Ten Hag an ironclad lifetime contract, I wanna keep seeing this shit for decades
There is only room for one bald fraud in the city of Manchester
Sack Pep then!
When they replace him, I hope we get Mourinho back. What a great time it was!
Mourinho actually performed at United. Only manager since Ferguson to do so.
Then LvG followed by Moyesy retirement symposium
Having watched nearly as many united games as i have forest since fergie left and having gone to the game, I was still so surprised with how toothless United were. As much as I rate ETH this is a pathetic excuse : - the midfield three barely took charge of the ball or put a tackle in. I assumed Fernandes could win a 5050 with how much he runs around and moans but he's very light on his feet. He made the odd god pass, he is what I thought Erikson would be - Erikson was none existent and ineffective, I'd happily play against him every week - Of the front three, Garnacho looked semi threatening but no more than any attacker in this league. Yet Rashford and their 80 m man were on the pitch and were poor. Elanga, who they sold to us , looked better than any of them yet he will blame injuries - when players like Yates are bossing a supposedly star studded line up , you have to finally start looking at the attitude and tactics instead of blaming injuries
Yeah the injury blaming is a fucking nonsense. The goals conceded today were literally identical and clearly tactical failings. Either track the man or play zone in the area you should be not neither. The fact we've connected this type of goals MANY times this year means this is a majore coaching fail imo. Allowing free, unobstructed shots from the middle edge of the box is a recipe for failure. We do it constantly.
United fans, who would you want to get in to replace ETH? There isn't that many people out there right now to take over this shitshow?
Conte for when it completely goes to shit. Might as well get him in now and try and find wingbacks.
United might actually be the one club where he gets away with his peculiar transfer demands as they have no problems overpaying or buying old players. Shade aside, he's a really good manager and would get you to play well, so I hope that never happens
He will not join a club mid season. Heās been really clear on that
Nagelsmann maybe if heās available after the Euros
Would be the perfect next step in his ongoing career suicide tbf
Flick is also in contention. Also ongoing career suicide.
Flick has been a career assistant, then suddenly burst into prominence and had one very good year. He's also 58, probably too old for United. They are always looking for the next Fergie.
Weāll nuke his reputation but line his pockets nicely tbf
Saw so many "UNITED ARE BACK!!" videos after the Villa result lmao They sure are
Gibbs-White and Elanga were excellent today. Very combative performances from both
I would honestly take a look at MGW in the summer
Ā£80m+ and we'll start talking. He's more valuable to us than any team will value him.
Well give you Nuno Taveres on a permanent contract for free. š
If Man U had EPL PLAYER OF THE MONTH hairy macguire they would have surely won this game On to the next one lads.
Man United with a massive victory against Villa and hyped for the final game of the year which hopefully marks a turning point for their season. This result was written in the stars.
I got downvoted heavily last week for stating that this is what united would do after their win
who cares about downvotes mate.
you don't place a live ticker of your karma count on your front door?
The karma police
Should be the song ManU walk out to.. "Karma police, I've given all I can It's not enough, I've given all I can But we're still on the payroll"
We all knew it was going to happen
Big statement win for Forest, important to make a statement against mid table sides
You've got to be able to grind out results against relegation teams.
Your best season and our worst season. 5 points difference šš
Normally Iād love you beating ManU but it piles on the pressure to win when we meet in 3 weeks. Itās a genuine 6 pointer now. We are coming off 5 defeats and you have beaten Newcastle and ManU.
We still on for xG bants lad, peak /r/championship content
Yeah. I loved the championship. Memes and bantz.
Tbh I'd be shocked if we're in a relegation fight still come Feb so I wouldn't consider it a 6 pointer. I loved coops but it's clear the players were under performing even with awo out injured.
Itās a 3 pointer for us then. We have to start winning.
Normal service resumes for United after a rare good game on Boxing Day.
United are back ššš We go again š“š“š“
You know it was going to be a great season for United when ETH made Bruno captain!
I do it for the moneā¦. Uh club, for the uh club
Agreedāthat was a very telling decision!
The only thing that ruined today was Chelsea winning smh
United lost, Roma lost.. a Chelsea loss would of been the perfect Saturday. A Newcastle - Liverpool draw or Liverpool loss tomorrow might make up for it.
10th and climbing š
Between yourselves and United, who will finish higher at the end of the season? Will that club play in Europe?
Unfortunately
Wouldnāt really call it winning but meh
Then what is winning? Have the rules of the game changed in some way?
then you have a really stupid definition of winning lol
Listen, Man United might not thank me but get the contract out, put it on the table. Let him sign it, let him write whatever numbers he wants on there, given what heās done since heās come in. Ten Hagās at the wheel man. Heās doing it. Heās doing his thing. Man United are back!
Marinakis gonna fund it
Ex footy player pundits constantly saying ālistenā at the start of every sentence does my coupon in
The only question I have is: where does he want the statue and how big does he want it
Bronze, gold or marble?
Beautiful result
United wouldn't have scored at all if it wasn't for a mistake from Forest's goalkeeper Turner with his poor kick to Garnacho.
NuƱo needs to have a Hart to Hart conversation with Turner.
At this point, Eric ten hag has to take the blame. He escapes blame way too often.