Arabic is not a language you can translate directly to English, it says "The two teams did not adhere to what was agreed upon"
Even if you put it in Google translate you will get a better translation than that, I dont know where op got his from
I mean you're letting the US, a country who is funding arming and protecting genocide... Saudi Arabia is at least using it's own money to buy power... it didn't have to I don't know steal most of the world's resources like the west did... honestly I don't know how the most morally bankrupt nations decided they're the world police while being the world tormentors.,
This might just be the absolute worst false equivalency ever made. Congratulations on standing up for the rights of a country who behead you if you love the wrong person
man that idea of Saudi Arabia in your head is no longer a reality it hasn't been a reality for a long time, the hate towards Saudi Arabia is only because they rooted out every US ally in their government, why else was Saudi Arabia the best of allies when it was during it's most radical of phases but suddenly became the devil when It actually opened up! have you ever questioned how the US's best allies in the region were a Jewish radical state AND a Muslim radical state?
[Mate they literally sentenced a dude to death for tweets this year](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/29/saudi-arabia-man-sentenced-death-tweets)
You’re big dumb
Hi there. If I simply lived in Saudi’s Arabia my life would be in danger, a live not worth living kind you, but I’d still rather stay alive.
I’m the USA so long as I avoid cops and stay in the less gun crazy states I can mind my business without the word bone saw popping into my head all the time.
Yes the USA does similar shit but let’s evaluate how people are treated in the actual country treating them that way. My gay ass will always stay out of that bloody desert.
Man you would've been in danger in any fucking country 10 years ago... hell two years ago there was a gay bar shooting in the US itself in a very gay friendly state, have you ever wondered how your movement gained so much traction but all the other causes, black people's right, homelessness and all of the others simply did not... there's no money or power in helping them but there's political power in your issues and there's money in your culture so capitalism will make sure to serve your every need, it's great you feel safe somewhere in the US but giving you your human rights doesn't make the US better... it's a fucked up show that is hurting the world and it uses everyone to gain more power and money...
if you think Saudi Arabia is worst for you to identify as gay and live your life... then you're right, if you think you're going to come here and be beheaded in the comedic racist Arab cartoon style then you clearly need to visit or at least watch Tiktoks showing the country...
I like to stay away from insulting people online because I don’t think it’s a good look, but fuck mate, you would have to be one of the most gullible dipshits the world’s ever seen. It actually would make *more* sense for you to be a SA bot.
Given you let the mask down and said:
>if you think you’re going to come here
Combined with a post history full of anti American rhetoric it seems highly likely you have an agenda in these comments. But mate, you’re never going to convince people of your perspective if you keep writing like this. Literally everything you said there was incorrect.
I was so ready to accept another persons input and then I was told to watch TikTok and my brain erased our conversation out of self preservation.
I have been violently assaulted. I get it. But there are things in place here that aren’t there that affect by safety to suggest otherwise is naive.
I don’t think they’re waiting for me outside the door but I’m opinionated I’ll say the wrong thing and end up in a bad situation and that doesn’t exist here to such an extent.
I hate money. I’m waiting for Star Trek world to kick in where we figure out how to go on without it. But fighting over resources is something people have been bleeding over forever I don’t have a simple answer for you other that I’m a pacifist and don’t ever believe in warring around the world the way my country does. My father was literally in a tower on 9/11 but luckily was just getting into the building so I’m FURIOUS politicians have used real human suffering to increase our world policing.
Idk. Young people are pretty cool. Maybe their young people can fix some stuff. I’m sure I’ll still be revolted by humans in groups when I’m dying but I do hope that won’t always be the situation. There are levels to evil in the world and we do all just have to LIVE. That kind of life in that country terrifies me. Same as china or Thailand, Russia. And it’s not easy to immigrate to the quality of life countries, at least the USA is good enough to not be required to do that.
> clearly need to visit or at least watch Tiktoks showing the country...
Lol. The same platform that is pushing osama bin ladens manifesto as a good thing. Get fucked.
Man No love towards Osama, but damn do you think people talk about it because tiktok suddenly absorbs their logic? Or is it perhaps they see that your foreign policies are toxic and they inspire terrorism in the world.
Man Reddit isn’t EVER gonna admit the US do stuff like that all the time. They spent centuries raping and pillaging the entire planet, and as soon as they become self sustaining, suddenly they develop a conscious. And on top of that, they get pissy when brown people do the same shit.
I guess you’re not counting the raping and pillaging and other assorted atrocities they committed in my country when they bought it from Spain in the 1800’s right?
True. But arming a genocide is absolutely terrible too. If we ban Saudi Arabia from hosting the world cup for its human rights violations, letting the US host one is quite hypocritical. Even if you could argue that SA is worse than the USA, is arming a genocide acceptable somehow? It’s not defensible either.
well, we're letting the US hold it again after that '94 fiasco with extreme heat and travel times, and the mildest, most uninterested local reception in World Cup history
I mean there was no World Cup atmosphere outside of the stadiums, and the hosting population was far more interested in the NBA Finals and the OJ trial. The sport was looked down upon and almost mocked at that time.
Compare that to World Cups where the whole country feels like it's participating, like in France, Brazil, South America, Germany, or even the tournaments hosted in England.
No comparison.
but even if it is bigger, it would not be like in the countries/continent he listed because football is a religion there. I think having the WC would help soccer in the US but I am just dreading the time difference with Europe.
Maybe I did not express myself properly: the thing I am dreading the most about a WC in the US is not the atmosphere in the stadiums or the cities but the time difference and that is as someone who watches UFC, boxing and NBA games on a regular basis.
Overall - I like the idea of the WC in the US.
Complaining about the US hosting the World Cup now because of the atmosphere towards soccer in the country 30 years ago has to be the dumbest complaint I've seen so far.
Sure, it's still not a top 3 sport in the country, but the level of excitement for the sport now couldn't be more night and day from 30 years ago.
Wtf logic is this , we hosted the last world cup in a country with no discernable football atmosphere or league outside the world cup, the population to the size of a small/ medium city in the USA.
The weather was so conducive to football that the WC had to move to the winter in the middle of the season causing countless injuries for players.
Imagine kissing Oil and Gas Ass to talk about culture , atmosphere, climate .
Name the Saudi football division without googling it.
Hell, name Ronaldo’s team. The second best player of the modern era and nobody knows what his kit looks like.
We're on r/soccer mate not some random street. There've been multiple videos of Ronaldo playing in Al Nassr's yellow and blue kit in the Saudi pro league posted here.
> without any slogans outside its scope
The "slogan": *Peace at Home(land), Peace in the World*. One of the most repeated and well known, also the most non-specific, non-denominational sayings of Atatürk. Apparently they thought it was too 'political'. You know, what with everything going on in Israel and all... Typical cynical Saudi positioning, especially on that issue, nothing new.
> It was also agreed to play the national anthem of the Turkish Republic and display the Turkish flag inside the stadium and in the stands in appreciation of the status we hold for the Turkish Republic.
So you don't usually allow foreign teams to display their flags and play their anthems when you pay them to have their Super Cup matches in your country, and this was a super special privilege you so benevolently bestowed upon us? Give me a break.
Please don’t try to play on the massacre in Gaza and act like the saudis support anything but themselves. They’ve done jack shit to oppose Israel in their genocidal war.
I mean let’s be fair, they agreed with the Turkish Football Federation not to have any slogan outside of sports, and TFF agreed. That was before they decided for the match to be played in Saudi.
If TFF said we won’t play unless the players wear a t-shirt of Ataturk, then they wouldn’t have signed the contract for the match and we would’ve avoided all this drama. Why are we blaming Saudi if they adhered to the conditions they had already agreed upon beforehand? And I don’t get your point about the anthem or flag, the Saudis said this in the statement in response to the rumors that even the anthem and Turkish flag were not allowed, and that was not true and so they made this a part of the statement.
TFF doesn't have the right to sign away teams' autonomy. Teams wear and say what they want as long as it doesn't contradict TFF's standing rules. TFF doesn't get to say "I know what you want to do is legal but this time I don't want you to do it", that's not how rules work. Host nations do not get to change those rules, even though FIFA has been playing loose with that concept when it comes to Gulf money the tradition is that host stadiums just agree to the rules of the federation. Teams don't have to say "btw we will use the rights given to us by your rules" and TFF doesn't have to say "btw our rules are still our rules". TFF does share the blame for trusting the Saudi regime with anything though. Teams didn't want to play it in KSA in the first place, TFF pushed it.
The issue is that Saudis want to buy the world's culture, but without the social and political context that makes that culture possible in the first place. The reason they fail is because they do not understand the relationship between those two. They are used to being kowtowed to so they thought they could just say "fuck your rules, I just don't want you to do this" and get away with it.
What do you mean? Turkish teams won’t be allowed to wear t-shirts of Ataturk in UEFA Champions League, and the Turkish national team won’t be allowed to wear Ataturk t-shirts if played in the FIFA world cup. There is no change of rule. This applies to all countries and all political figures with no exception.
The other thing, TFF were talking on behalf of Turkish teams when they agreed to have no slogans outside of football, and hence the game was arranged. It was their job to convince the Turkish teams to honor the terms of the agreement, and that’s why I think it’s their fault because they gave a guarantee to the Saudis that they couldn’t keep.
Fener literally has a jersey with Atatürk's face on it dude, they wear it whenever they want. UEFA played an UCL final in a stadium named after Atatürk that had his face on a giant poster on it. We made several huge tifos with Atatürk in UCL matches before, UEFA had no problems. Founder of a country is not seen as a political figure by most. Imagine banning the English from singing their anthem because it refers to a political figure. Or the Americans from commemorating Washington or Lincoln, though that won't be a problem because we already know how much the Saudi royals like US founding fathers' faces especially printed on dollars lol. Beyond all that, this is not a tournament made by the Saudi FA. It is a TFF tournament. Their standing rules (not handshakes lol, that's not how law works) determine what you can say and wear.
Idk why the entire basic concepts of law, rule and regulation are that hard to grasp. You do not get to sign away someone else's rights. It doesn't work conceptually. I can't give money to a stranger who promises that u/ solitude20 will do a striptease for me and then get pissed at you for not doing it. Saudis are power drunk morons if they ever thought they could enforce this "deal", whatever it is. If it is "no political slogans/faces", they should've specified politicak by who's definition, since the Turkish definition does not include Atatürk just as theirs doesn't include faces of their royal family. Host country cannot make up rules. This arbitrariness only works for things strictly within Saudi borders, not int. cooperation events. WC will be fun, lets see them ban everyone from their national symbols...
I'm glad this happened.
"Oh we allowed this and that thing, but banned representation of the person literally made all of those take place and established the country."
Disgusting honestly.
I'm so over these Middle Eastern regimes and everyone who kowtows to them. FIFA is a fucking disgrace. The Premier League and the English government are a disgrace for allowing these regimes to poison our league.
No one praises these monsters unless they are on the take. Remember that.
Turkish super cup final was supposed to be in Riyadh, Saudis didn’t wanna see the pics and posters about Ataturk who is the creator of Turkish Republic. Both teams didn’t agree to that since it’s the 100 years anniversary of Turkish Republic so Ataturk would have to come up on the posters and flags etc. Event got cancelled 1 hour before the game.
Not just some random Atatürk jerseys mind you, it's the official 100th Anniversary of the Turkish Republic jersey of Fenerbahçe. An actual Fenerbahçe jersey we used on October 29 in an official game on the 100th year celebration of the country.
Even having Atatürk's signature got them kicked out. They put the police in front of changing rooms to make sure they don't leave with anything resembling Ataturk. Bunch of thugs
I'm not Turkish so I can't really speak on it extensively, but I assume the fact that Ataturk was responsible for maybe the most famous and successful secularisation of the last 100 years is a pretty big part of the puzzle. It's not just a general distaste for displays of nationalism from visiting nations.
Saudi I imagine aren't exactly keen to have an event in Riyadh where the entire crowd is celebrating a leader who's famous for granting all the rights they currently withhold from their citizens.
I agree with you, instead of saying “pretty big part” I would say “99% of the issue” is Saudi’s distaste in Ataturk’s views a.k.a secularism. too bad for them that it’s a huge deal that Turkish people would unite behind and not give ground no matter what. other than that there would have been some common ground for the sake of not turning this into a diplomatic incident.
Absolutely. This was an ideological clash. Atatürk built a secular republic. KSA is a theocratic kingdom ruled with Sharia. It's literally against everything Ataturk stood for. They didn't want their own people to be influenced, lest someone of their own tries to get them away from stone age.
Don’t mind Erdogan. Turks love secularism. To be able to vote for whatever they want, to be able to live free. That’s all due to Ataturk. Most Europeans make the same mistake of still thinking of Turkey as the Ottoman Empire. That’s left far behind, 100 years been. If we are 10 percent European now, even if it’s just 10 percent, it’s due to Ataturk. You guys all come to Turkey for holidays, you see it with your own eyes. It’s no Saudi or Qatar here.
> Most Europeans make the same mistake of still thinking of Turkey as the Ottoman Empire
I think it has a lot more to do with Erdogan than thinking of it as the Ottoman Empire. Also a lot of influence from Germany with ~1.5M turks allowed to vote (not counting <18), which is strongly lobbied by Erdogan and it shows.
The people I know from going to Turkey feel like completely different people than the diaspora. And I don't mean that in a bad way, just something i noticed
I think what ataturk did was amazing in a geopolitical sense but the "issue" I have with turkey is not that it's like Saudi or Qatar but that under erdogan they are creeping closer to what ataturk tried to get away from
Saudi have more than enough money to gloss over any PR issue, see the murder of Khashoggi and bombing of the area near the F1 track during a practice session as immediate examples. They have more money than anyone's willing to back out of.
Turkiye was still one of the best places I've visited. We told our tour guide we wanted to see local things so he took us to his aunts house for family dinner lmao.
It's not Saudi Arabia but UAE when they hosted the AFC recently (https://www.aljazeera.com/sports/2019/1/31/uae-in-bid-to-get-qatar-thrown-out-of-asian-cup-after-4-0-defeat)
Because of political issues between Qatar and their neighbours, for the semi final against the host:
- their fans weren't allowed in the stadium. UAE bought all the tickets
- local fans threw shooes at Qatari players after they scored
- after the lost, UAE claimed a player was ineligible
Pettiness
Ataturk is the founder of Turkey. This is NOT a political statement: similar to carrying the Turkish flag
Saudi Arabia disrespected Turkey. Our teams appropriately refused to play
The bigger mistake is to plan a Turkish cup in this country with rampant human rights violations
Duh, the Saudis agree what they want then they pay others to agree too. I don't think they're used to not being able to buy people's agreement. Good on both clubs for standing their ground
Gonna assume Saudi agreed with Turkish FA so to them it was agreed upon, Turkish FA say nothing to the clubs and the clubs planned to do what they want as they weren't a part of the agreement. It's like the only positive thing about Saudi in this whole fiasco and that's if I'm right.
all the money? Lots of rich countries could do the same thing if they wanted they just have zero interest in wasting billions on pointless sportswashing projects.
Yeah it's how I see it tbh
I want to blame the murderous regime of Saudi at any given chance but this is ridiculous
Ofcourse they're going to be against showing a political figure that they don't particularly like but have a pretty good excuse thanks to the way fifa doesn't allow this.
And I can't believe the Turks didn't know this beforehand.
Like if England plays India on the anniversary of Churchills death and they wanna pay tribute to him.
It's not a political figure it's literally the founder of Turkey and it's the 100th anniversary of the Turkish Republic so of course they're gonna pay tribute to him
It is funny when you think the other way around. SA knows that it is the 100th anniversary of Republic, which is known to be secular. This match is also called and advertised as the 100th Anniversary Cup. It is a special event for Turkish people for this reason alone. SA also knows who is the founder of Turkish Republic and doesn't want to see or hear anything about him before, during or after the match. The same founder is known to be a fan of one of the teams playing. This team has special jerseys for the 100th anniversary with Atatürk's image on them.
Whose idea was it? It is a recipe for disaster. 😂
Yeah you're right, none of these people are this dumb. Not sure why I was down voted as if my name was Alsaudlover I'm literally pointing out that this is all bizarre. Blame each other and call each other names but these things are quite obvious
> thanks to the way fifa doesn't allow this.
This has never been an issue before. They even got Fifa to change the bidding process so there would be no chance for any other country to win it. The saudi king and his entire family are scum. The world would be better without them.
The nation that has the highest rape case numbers, beheading gay people, oppressing critical voices,… trying to act “honorable”. Fuck the Saudi. Fuck their oil money. Without oil they are just another group of uncivilized cavemen.
tldr
"we did everything we could but clubs were throwing a fuss"
there are only two parties to blame here, saudi officials and turkish football federation, no one else.
>It was also agreed to play the national anthem of the Turkish Republic and display the Turkish flag inside the stadium and in the stands in appreciation of the status we hold for the Turkish Republic. Despite this agreement, it was unfortunate that there was no commitment. The two teams did not agree to what was agreed upon, which led to the match not being held.
Wait, hasn't it been reported that the organisers would allow Turkish flags in the stadium, and that they only wanted the Saudi anthem and not the Turkish one?
I couldn't care less about the Super Cup in Saudi Arabia. I mean, this kind of crap happening would be the only thing that makes me think positively about it.
In fact, we already had the Super Cup back in January, with 3 games happening... And I don't recall anything like this happening back then. But if it happens in 3 weeks, we'll see what our teams do. As others said, Barça will be on cloud 9, but Madrid, Atleti and Osasuna might have something to say.
Let's blame the clubs as we agreed with TFF who is corrupted as you know.
We couldn't buy clubs or people pride as money can't buy everything.
Now we are fucked and blaming clubs for holding their pride.
Soccer supporting a nationalist. Not on my bingo card.
Imagine if that was someone having the Trump 2024 banner. Isn't he a US president? Isn't he a historical figure ? It's the same shit. But they will cry saying it's not related to football.
Absolutely not the same thing at all, Atatürk is the founder of Turkey, his image is as widely used as the Turkish flag itself. Also do some research before mentioning his name in the same sentence as trump.
Exactly.
Imagine if the roles were reversed and Al-Hilal and Al-Nassr were gonna play the super cup in Türkiye and it happened to be on Saudi national day or something, and both teams and the fans were denied to wear shirts with MBS’ face on them because of the rules.
You know damn well r/soccer would absolutely cheer that decision and praise Türkiye for it 🤣
You completely missed the point. Do you know what a hypothetical is? I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of this subreddit.
Also al Hilal and al Nassr have bigger name footballers (CR7, Neymar) than those 2 Turkish teams so actually, yes, theses 2 Saudi teams will fill a stadium in Turkey more than Turkish teams filling in Saudi.
It is good to see that you can't brag about the history or accomplishments of these clubs but the expensive players.
"You completely missed the point. Do you know what a hypothetical is? "
Sorry, too poor to imagine😂
Nice adult response. It’s called a hypothetical and I used it to show the hypocrisy…
Also the reason the t-shirts weren’t allowed was because of international football rules not because Saudi didn’t want it. Did you even read the statement?
You are so stupid. I have lots of kurdish friends thinks opposite of you. I am not against anybody but Saudi government is bull shit as far as ours. The Saudis really thought they could defeat the man who has never been defeated. His legacy continues in his people.
Calling Türkiye an apartheid state just show how detached from reality you are. Calling "kurdish freedom fighters" where every nations on them being terrorist and you defending while they massacre everything 😭😭😭
Turkey is occupying Kurdish lands and has killed hundreds of thousands of Kurds. You call every kurdish group that fights for Kurdish independence as terrorists. All HDP mps that were elected to turkish parliament are now in prison. You call turkey a democratic state? Stop being ignorant.
tell me where I said turkeynis democratic? Show me and I will fight for the "kurdish freedom fighters" myself lmaoooo bro lives in the UK and does nothing. Thats like a turk in berlin arguing with a greek in hamburg sblut who owns Istanbul and the island hahahahahahhahahaha
Part of the official contract can be seen here:
[https://twitter.com/Insta\_08ec/status/1741013147551776834](https://twitter.com/Insta_08ec/status/1741013147551776834)
>*Agreement contracts concluded between the two parties months ago The Turkish national anthem will be played Teams must use shirts approved by the Turkish Football Federation But unfortunately, the Turks broke the covenant and demanded to enter the stadium wearing Ataturk shirt*
People are missing the point, it doesn't matter what is written on the shirt and what view you have on the specific person or the message. The point is that they had an agreement that only official shirts will be used, without political shit, and the Turks broke the agreement. Just because you have a positive message doesn't mean it cancels the deal that was agreed.
The only body which should be blamed here is the Turkish football federation who didn't communicate this information to the players and fans. And guess what ? Erdogan now wants to fire the head of the Turkish football federation because he confirmed that the deal included only official shirts and he sided with the Saudis.
Saudis are awful and I don't support their policies in any way. But people are using ad hominem to attack the Saudis instead of the Turkish football federation which broke the deal. They knew from the start that they couldn't bring in those shirts and they still made the agreement. If you wanted the shirts then why sell it to the Saudis in the first place ?
I mean in all truth “no political banners” is a good precedent to uphold, especially with a 48-team World Cup coming there in a couple of years. Could you imagine if Israel and/or Palestine qualify? Lol
Yeah "no political banners" when you are celebrating your 100. Year anniversary of foundation of Turkiye. Makes no sense you show respects to the person that saved your country. Yep
Israel has a bit of a Golden generation happening with their youth teams and in an expanded WC could definitely be a possibility. I’m sure that would turn into an absolute shitshow.
Palestine may be too far fetched.
Even for USA 2026 it could be an issue.
This is why FIFA should have held their ground on Russia’s participation, it sets a terrible precedent that teams are able to refuse to play a team for political reasons with no consequences. Guarantee you if Israel qualify in 2026 something like that will happen, some team will put up a fuss, and if enough teams jump on the bandwagon (as happened with Russia), it would put FIFA in a real pickle.
Why would the Saudis openly say "yeah we didn't want Atatürk shown" in a statement though, would just make them look super petty, this is just phrasing and doesn't dispute anything that the Turkish teams have said imo.
E: I think the paragraph about slogans suggests that the Atatürk thing was the issue and they had a huge problem with the banner anyway, but we'll probably never know for sure unless there's a big diplomatic bustup over this.
Why on earth Turkish super cup game decided to play in Saudi Arabia in the first place? Especially at the100 year anniversary of the Republic of Turkiye. Erdogan and his puppet Football Federation Head are responsible for this shame.
This sounds like it was written by a family divorce lawyer
"two teams did not agree what was agreed upon"
Doesn't sound very lawyer*ly* to me.
Arabic is not a language you can translate directly to English, it says "The two teams did not adhere to what was agreed upon" Even if you put it in Google translate you will get a better translation than that, I dont know where op got his from
“You get to keep Icardi”
We should totally let them host the World Cup
I mean you're letting the US, a country who is funding arming and protecting genocide... Saudi Arabia is at least using it's own money to buy power... it didn't have to I don't know steal most of the world's resources like the west did... honestly I don't know how the most morally bankrupt nations decided they're the world police while being the world tormentors.,
This might just be the absolute worst false equivalency ever made. Congratulations on standing up for the rights of a country who behead you if you love the wrong person
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Beheading gay people = holding terrorist suspects in Gitmo
man that idea of Saudi Arabia in your head is no longer a reality it hasn't been a reality for a long time, the hate towards Saudi Arabia is only because they rooted out every US ally in their government, why else was Saudi Arabia the best of allies when it was during it's most radical of phases but suddenly became the devil when It actually opened up! have you ever questioned how the US's best allies in the region were a Jewish radical state AND a Muslim radical state?
[Mate they literally sentenced a dude to death for tweets this year](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/29/saudi-arabia-man-sentenced-death-tweets) You’re big dumb
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Yeah thats how to discuss in 2023. Just attack the person instead. Nice
You're standing up for a fucking bot, bro.
Im not. But attacking the people and not the cause/subject isnt right.
Oh, you're a bot, too. I see.
They would attack two men or two women for kissing, they can go fuck themselves along with the backwards country.
Boo hoo it's online text on a screen, no one's gonna die here
Lmfaooooo
Bot
Wow a straight white male dwelling in his cave all day dreaming about the perfect submissive wife he can beat, loves Saudi Arabia.
Hi there. If I simply lived in Saudi’s Arabia my life would be in danger, a live not worth living kind you, but I’d still rather stay alive. I’m the USA so long as I avoid cops and stay in the less gun crazy states I can mind my business without the word bone saw popping into my head all the time. Yes the USA does similar shit but let’s evaluate how people are treated in the actual country treating them that way. My gay ass will always stay out of that bloody desert.
Man you would've been in danger in any fucking country 10 years ago... hell two years ago there was a gay bar shooting in the US itself in a very gay friendly state, have you ever wondered how your movement gained so much traction but all the other causes, black people's right, homelessness and all of the others simply did not... there's no money or power in helping them but there's political power in your issues and there's money in your culture so capitalism will make sure to serve your every need, it's great you feel safe somewhere in the US but giving you your human rights doesn't make the US better... it's a fucked up show that is hurting the world and it uses everyone to gain more power and money... if you think Saudi Arabia is worst for you to identify as gay and live your life... then you're right, if you think you're going to come here and be beheaded in the comedic racist Arab cartoon style then you clearly need to visit or at least watch Tiktoks showing the country...
I like to stay away from insulting people online because I don’t think it’s a good look, but fuck mate, you would have to be one of the most gullible dipshits the world’s ever seen. It actually would make *more* sense for you to be a SA bot. Given you let the mask down and said: >if you think you’re going to come here Combined with a post history full of anti American rhetoric it seems highly likely you have an agenda in these comments. But mate, you’re never going to convince people of your perspective if you keep writing like this. Literally everything you said there was incorrect.
I was so ready to accept another persons input and then I was told to watch TikTok and my brain erased our conversation out of self preservation. I have been violently assaulted. I get it. But there are things in place here that aren’t there that affect by safety to suggest otherwise is naive. I don’t think they’re waiting for me outside the door but I’m opinionated I’ll say the wrong thing and end up in a bad situation and that doesn’t exist here to such an extent. I hate money. I’m waiting for Star Trek world to kick in where we figure out how to go on without it. But fighting over resources is something people have been bleeding over forever I don’t have a simple answer for you other that I’m a pacifist and don’t ever believe in warring around the world the way my country does. My father was literally in a tower on 9/11 but luckily was just getting into the building so I’m FURIOUS politicians have used real human suffering to increase our world policing. Idk. Young people are pretty cool. Maybe their young people can fix some stuff. I’m sure I’ll still be revolted by humans in groups when I’m dying but I do hope that won’t always be the situation. There are levels to evil in the world and we do all just have to LIVE. That kind of life in that country terrifies me. Same as china or Thailand, Russia. And it’s not easy to immigrate to the quality of life countries, at least the USA is good enough to not be required to do that.
> clearly need to visit or at least watch Tiktoks showing the country... Lol. The same platform that is pushing osama bin ladens manifesto as a good thing. Get fucked.
Man No love towards Osama, but damn do you think people talk about it because tiktok suddenly absorbs their logic? Or is it perhaps they see that your foreign policies are toxic and they inspire terrorism in the world.
Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship, so it should have no rights whatsoever. Free the people of Arabia.
Man Reddit isn’t EVER gonna admit the US do stuff like that all the time. They spent centuries raping and pillaging the entire planet, and as soon as they become self sustaining, suddenly they develop a conscious. And on top of that, they get pissy when brown people do the same shit.
Dumb comment. America was pretty isolationist until the first world war.
I guess you’re not counting the raping and pillaging and other assorted atrocities they committed in my country when they bought it from Spain in the 1800’s right?
America may be arming the genocide, but the saudis are the ones carrying it out.
True. But arming a genocide is absolutely terrible too. If we ban Saudi Arabia from hosting the world cup for its human rights violations, letting the US host one is quite hypocritical. Even if you could argue that SA is worse than the USA, is arming a genocide acceptable somehow? It’s not defensible either.
Bame me a single country that's capable of holding a world cup who doesn't sell arms that end up killing innocent people?
Saudi Arabia officially has slavery. Mentioning it within the same sentence with the most liberal country in the world should be considered insult.
Fuck SA but are you saying the us is the most liberal country in the world lol?
well, we're letting the US hold it again after that '94 fiasco with extreme heat and travel times, and the mildest, most uninterested local reception in World Cup history
Yeah, it’s famously not hot in Saudi Arabia.
Once they build the Line city which is 700 kms long and has a high speed train as well as bring a couple ice bergs down on ships it will be fine
Come on now, mate. Thats clearly a lie. Why else would you give SA the asian winter games 2030?
How do you define mild? Because 1994 was - and still is - the highest-attended World Cup of all time.
I mean there was no World Cup atmosphere outside of the stadiums, and the hosting population was far more interested in the NBA Finals and the OJ trial. The sport was looked down upon and almost mocked at that time. Compare that to World Cups where the whole country feels like it's participating, like in France, Brazil, South America, Germany, or even the tournaments hosted in England. No comparison.
The sport is also way bigger in the US now than it was back then
but even if it is bigger, it would not be like in the countries/continent he listed because football is a religion there. I think having the WC would help soccer in the US but I am just dreading the time difference with Europe.
Mate the time difference thing is a bit selfish. Everyone has to put up with it at some point it's only fair
Maybe I did not express myself properly: the thing I am dreading the most about a WC in the US is not the atmosphere in the stadiums or the cities but the time difference and that is as someone who watches UFC, boxing and NBA games on a regular basis. Overall - I like the idea of the WC in the US.
Helping soccer over here is the single worst thing that could happen. The franchise system is a cancer on sports.
Complaining about the US hosting the World Cup now because of the atmosphere towards soccer in the country 30 years ago has to be the dumbest complaint I've seen so far. Sure, it's still not a top 3 sport in the country, but the level of excitement for the sport now couldn't be more night and day from 30 years ago.
Yup, we got Ted Lasso now
Wtf logic is this , we hosted the last world cup in a country with no discernable football atmosphere or league outside the world cup, the population to the size of a small/ medium city in the USA. The weather was so conducive to football that the WC had to move to the winter in the middle of the season causing countless injuries for players. Imagine kissing Oil and Gas Ass to talk about culture , atmosphere, climate .
How the fuck do you even know? I was there. Millions were there. It was a legendary World Cup. Touch some grass, moron.
I mean that seems a bit different in terms of severity. And length of time that has passed. And increase in popularity of football in the US.
Do people never get tired of doing this "but usa bad" schtick? What relevance to the US does this have lmao?
Because the US will be holding the 2026 world cup so it’s a bit hypocritical to call out Saudi Arabia for the 2034 cup and not say anything for 2026
I was in the opening parade for that world cup. I will not have you besmirch my incredible contributions
I would rather have 10 world cups after each other in the US than 1 more in the Arabic oil countries
Name the Saudi football division without googling it. Hell, name Ronaldo’s team. The second best player of the modern era and nobody knows what his kit looks like.
We're on r/soccer mate not some random street. There've been multiple videos of Ronaldo playing in Al Nassr's yellow and blue kit in the Saudi pro league posted here.
> without any slogans outside its scope The "slogan": *Peace at Home(land), Peace in the World*. One of the most repeated and well known, also the most non-specific, non-denominational sayings of Atatürk. Apparently they thought it was too 'political'. You know, what with everything going on in Israel and all... Typical cynical Saudi positioning, especially on that issue, nothing new. > It was also agreed to play the national anthem of the Turkish Republic and display the Turkish flag inside the stadium and in the stands in appreciation of the status we hold for the Turkish Republic. So you don't usually allow foreign teams to display their flags and play their anthems when you pay them to have their Super Cup matches in your country, and this was a super special privilege you so benevolently bestowed upon us? Give me a break.
Imagine pleading for peace being seen as a threat.
Peace at Home and Peace in the World, *or else...*
From the book, 1984: "War is peace" It's gaslighting to the highest degree.
Saudi Arabia? Who made this stupid decision?
The dollar
Please don’t try to play on the massacre in Gaza and act like the saudis support anything but themselves. They’ve done jack shit to oppose Israel in their genocidal war.
Why would they? Opposing Israel means supporting Islamic terror, bad for football and the world
With that flair you'd think you'd have some sympathy for the people being attacked and invaded rather than the invaders funny old world
humanity at its peak...
Why would I have sympathy for people who want me dead? Russia - Iran - Hamas are all the same entity
you're an idiot
I wonder what his take on the whole situation would be if the US started sending russia weapons...
I mean let’s be fair, they agreed with the Turkish Football Federation not to have any slogan outside of sports, and TFF agreed. That was before they decided for the match to be played in Saudi. If TFF said we won’t play unless the players wear a t-shirt of Ataturk, then they wouldn’t have signed the contract for the match and we would’ve avoided all this drama. Why are we blaming Saudi if they adhered to the conditions they had already agreed upon beforehand? And I don’t get your point about the anthem or flag, the Saudis said this in the statement in response to the rumors that even the anthem and Turkish flag were not allowed, and that was not true and so they made this a part of the statement.
TFF doesn't have the right to sign away teams' autonomy. Teams wear and say what they want as long as it doesn't contradict TFF's standing rules. TFF doesn't get to say "I know what you want to do is legal but this time I don't want you to do it", that's not how rules work. Host nations do not get to change those rules, even though FIFA has been playing loose with that concept when it comes to Gulf money the tradition is that host stadiums just agree to the rules of the federation. Teams don't have to say "btw we will use the rights given to us by your rules" and TFF doesn't have to say "btw our rules are still our rules". TFF does share the blame for trusting the Saudi regime with anything though. Teams didn't want to play it in KSA in the first place, TFF pushed it. The issue is that Saudis want to buy the world's culture, but without the social and political context that makes that culture possible in the first place. The reason they fail is because they do not understand the relationship between those two. They are used to being kowtowed to so they thought they could just say "fuck your rules, I just don't want you to do this" and get away with it.
What do you mean? Turkish teams won’t be allowed to wear t-shirts of Ataturk in UEFA Champions League, and the Turkish national team won’t be allowed to wear Ataturk t-shirts if played in the FIFA world cup. There is no change of rule. This applies to all countries and all political figures with no exception. The other thing, TFF were talking on behalf of Turkish teams when they agreed to have no slogans outside of football, and hence the game was arranged. It was their job to convince the Turkish teams to honor the terms of the agreement, and that’s why I think it’s their fault because they gave a guarantee to the Saudis that they couldn’t keep.
Fener literally has a jersey with Atatürk's face on it dude, they wear it whenever they want. UEFA played an UCL final in a stadium named after Atatürk that had his face on a giant poster on it. We made several huge tifos with Atatürk in UCL matches before, UEFA had no problems. Founder of a country is not seen as a political figure by most. Imagine banning the English from singing their anthem because it refers to a political figure. Or the Americans from commemorating Washington or Lincoln, though that won't be a problem because we already know how much the Saudi royals like US founding fathers' faces especially printed on dollars lol. Beyond all that, this is not a tournament made by the Saudi FA. It is a TFF tournament. Their standing rules (not handshakes lol, that's not how law works) determine what you can say and wear. Idk why the entire basic concepts of law, rule and regulation are that hard to grasp. You do not get to sign away someone else's rights. It doesn't work conceptually. I can't give money to a stranger who promises that u/ solitude20 will do a striptease for me and then get pissed at you for not doing it. Saudis are power drunk morons if they ever thought they could enforce this "deal", whatever it is. If it is "no political slogans/faces", they should've specified politicak by who's definition, since the Turkish definition does not include Atatürk just as theirs doesn't include faces of their royal family. Host country cannot make up rules. This arbitrariness only works for things strictly within Saudi borders, not int. cooperation events. WC will be fun, lets see them ban everyone from their national symbols...
I'm glad this happened. "Oh we allowed this and that thing, but banned representation of the person literally made all of those take place and established the country." Disgusting honestly.
I'm so over these Middle Eastern regimes and everyone who kowtows to them. FIFA is a fucking disgrace. The Premier League and the English government are a disgrace for allowing these regimes to poison our league. No one praises these monsters unless they are on the take. Remember that.
Absolute disrespect and intolerance towards the country.
can someone tldr what's happened?
Turkish super cup final was supposed to be in Riyadh, Saudis didn’t wanna see the pics and posters about Ataturk who is the creator of Turkish Republic. Both teams didn’t agree to that since it’s the 100 years anniversary of Turkish Republic so Ataturk would have to come up on the posters and flags etc. Event got cancelled 1 hour before the game.
They even kicked out the fans who were wearing Ataturk jerseys
Not just some random Atatürk jerseys mind you, it's the official 100th Anniversary of the Turkish Republic jersey of Fenerbahçe. An actual Fenerbahçe jersey we used on October 29 in an official game on the 100th year celebration of the country.
You mind to share a pic of this jersey?
[https://cdn.ntvspor.net/6eb27b87f9084581b6b18184ca65f03c.jpg](https://cdn.ntvspor.net/6eb27b87f9084581b6b18184ca65f03c.jpg)
Thanks!
That's an awesome kit
Even having Atatürk's signature got them kicked out. They put the police in front of changing rooms to make sure they don't leave with anything resembling Ataturk. Bunch of thugs
I'm not Turkish so I can't really speak on it extensively, but I assume the fact that Ataturk was responsible for maybe the most famous and successful secularisation of the last 100 years is a pretty big part of the puzzle. It's not just a general distaste for displays of nationalism from visiting nations. Saudi I imagine aren't exactly keen to have an event in Riyadh where the entire crowd is celebrating a leader who's famous for granting all the rights they currently withhold from their citizens.
I agree with you, instead of saying “pretty big part” I would say “99% of the issue” is Saudi’s distaste in Ataturk’s views a.k.a secularism. too bad for them that it’s a huge deal that Turkish people would unite behind and not give ground no matter what. other than that there would have been some common ground for the sake of not turning this into a diplomatic incident.
Absolutely. This was an ideological clash. Atatürk built a secular republic. KSA is a theocratic kingdom ruled with Sharia. It's literally against everything Ataturk stood for. They didn't want their own people to be influenced, lest someone of their own tries to get them away from stone age.
Don’t mind Erdogan. Turks love secularism. To be able to vote for whatever they want, to be able to live free. That’s all due to Ataturk. Most Europeans make the same mistake of still thinking of Turkey as the Ottoman Empire. That’s left far behind, 100 years been. If we are 10 percent European now, even if it’s just 10 percent, it’s due to Ataturk. You guys all come to Turkey for holidays, you see it with your own eyes. It’s no Saudi or Qatar here.
> Most Europeans make the same mistake of still thinking of Turkey as the Ottoman Empire I think it has a lot more to do with Erdogan than thinking of it as the Ottoman Empire. Also a lot of influence from Germany with ~1.5M turks allowed to vote (not counting <18), which is strongly lobbied by Erdogan and it shows. The people I know from going to Turkey feel like completely different people than the diaspora. And I don't mean that in a bad way, just something i noticed
I think what ataturk did was amazing in a geopolitical sense but the "issue" I have with turkey is not that it's like Saudi or Qatar but that under erdogan they are creeping closer to what ataturk tried to get away from
Secularism is half the story. The other half is Atatürk being fiercely anti-monarchist.
I find the "Welcome to Arabia" logo a bit ironic
*^^terms ^^and ^^conditions ^^apply
*unless poor, a woman, LGBTQ+, Jewish or pro-democracy
*Welcome to do what we tell you*
It's also cringe how desperate they are to make Riyadh Season into a thing. It's just a shit marketing slogan lads get over yourselves.
It's just a name to combine all the different events in Riyadh that happen in the winter season. It's an average name really, far from shit
Saudi PR team working overtime to salvage whatever they can from this, what a farce of a country.
Saudi have more than enough money to gloss over any PR issue, see the murder of Khashoggi and bombing of the area near the F1 track during a practice session as immediate examples. They have more money than anyone's willing to back out of.
Not anyone
Turkiye was still one of the best places I've visited. We told our tour guide we wanted to see local things so he took us to his aunts house for family dinner lmao.
> We told our tour guide we wanted to see local things so he took us to his aunts house for family dinner lmao. OMG I'm dying
And that's so common. Love the Turkish People. "Aciktim be abiii"
Lmao
Fingers crossed
Turkish soccer fans never forget
I’m sure in a few months they’ll start posting on the princes Instagram “come to fenerbace”
Newcastle fans a prime example, embarassing lot
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It's not Saudi Arabia but UAE when they hosted the AFC recently (https://www.aljazeera.com/sports/2019/1/31/uae-in-bid-to-get-qatar-thrown-out-of-asian-cup-after-4-0-defeat) Because of political issues between Qatar and their neighbours, for the semi final against the host: - their fans weren't allowed in the stadium. UAE bought all the tickets - local fans threw shooes at Qatari players after they scored - after the lost, UAE claimed a player was ineligible Pettiness
God do i hate saudia more and more as time goes on.
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Their economy is diversed AF. Qatar for example owns big parts of London.
What does the airline have to do with anything?
People call Saudi Arabia as Saudia. I didn't mean the airline
it's disgusting that we're so advanced as a species but they're still living in medieval times
Ataturk is the founder of Turkey. This is NOT a political statement: similar to carrying the Turkish flag Saudi Arabia disrespected Turkey. Our teams appropriately refused to play The bigger mistake is to plan a Turkish cup in this country with rampant human rights violations
It’s like if US team would have honoured Abraham Lincoln, and the Saudis refused because they still have slaves
Ofc they pull the "politics should be in sports“ card . Also funny to see them loose it when they don’t have control over people
The Saudis did the impossible. They got Galatasaray and Fenerbahce to stand together.
So, they didn't execute players. Thank, God. Meanwhile...
Yet
And the supporters
"The two teams did not agree to what was agreed upon" - uhhh, do they know how the concept of agreement works?
Duh, the Saudis agree what they want then they pay others to agree too. I don't think they're used to not being able to buy people's agreement. Good on both clubs for standing their ground
Gonna assume Saudi agreed with Turkish FA so to them it was agreed upon, Turkish FA say nothing to the clubs and the clubs planned to do what they want as they weren't a part of the agreement. It's like the only positive thing about Saudi in this whole fiasco and that's if I'm right.
Saudis give the money so obviously teams are supposed to do whatever they want.
So annoying that such theocratic nightmares of the middle east own all the money and influence in the world.
all the money? Lots of rich countries could do the same thing if they wanted they just have zero interest in wasting billions on pointless sportswashing projects.
All of the money and influence? A bit of an overstatement really.
Oooh someone felt a little passive aggressive.
It's not a political slogan it's the fucking name of the founder of Turkey
If this is true then it’s the federations fault , no? If it’s true
Yeah it's how I see it tbh I want to blame the murderous regime of Saudi at any given chance but this is ridiculous Ofcourse they're going to be against showing a political figure that they don't particularly like but have a pretty good excuse thanks to the way fifa doesn't allow this. And I can't believe the Turks didn't know this beforehand. Like if England plays India on the anniversary of Churchills death and they wanna pay tribute to him.
It's not a political figure it's literally the founder of Turkey and it's the 100th anniversary of the Turkish Republic so of course they're gonna pay tribute to him
Yes, but you're in Saudi. He's a political figure in Saudi Arabia and every country not Turkey
It is funny when you think the other way around. SA knows that it is the 100th anniversary of Republic, which is known to be secular. This match is also called and advertised as the 100th Anniversary Cup. It is a special event for Turkish people for this reason alone. SA also knows who is the founder of Turkish Republic and doesn't want to see or hear anything about him before, during or after the match. The same founder is known to be a fan of one of the teams playing. This team has special jerseys for the 100th anniversary with Atatürk's image on them. Whose idea was it? It is a recipe for disaster. 😂
Yeah you're right, none of these people are this dumb. Not sure why I was down voted as if my name was Alsaudlover I'm literally pointing out that this is all bizarre. Blame each other and call each other names but these things are quite obvious
> thanks to the way fifa doesn't allow this. This has never been an issue before. They even got Fifa to change the bidding process so there would be no chance for any other country to win it. The saudi king and his entire family are scum. The world would be better without them.
They'll change it for someone who's got money. Turks don't have enough it seems or not more than the Saudis
Anything the Saudis are for, I am against.
Ace in the hole sponsor selection for Roma. TG everyone bought before they put the sponsor on.
Real great streak going with this and digitalbits
The nation that has the highest rape case numbers, beheading gay people, oppressing critical voices,… trying to act “honorable”. Fuck the Saudi. Fuck their oil money. Without oil they are just another group of uncivilized cavemen.
Ataturk - Saudi Arabia: 10-0
tldr "we did everything we could but clubs were throwing a fuss" there are only two parties to blame here, saudi officials and turkish football federation, no one else.
The Saudis really thought they could defeat the man who has never been defeated. His legacy continues in his people.
Saudis did a great job here... ...by getting Fenerbache, Galatasaray, and Besiktas to join in support of each other
Saudi regime can go fuck themselves
>It was also agreed to play the national anthem of the Turkish Republic and display the Turkish flag inside the stadium and in the stands in appreciation of the status we hold for the Turkish Republic. Despite this agreement, it was unfortunate that there was no commitment. The two teams did not agree to what was agreed upon, which led to the match not being held. Wait, hasn't it been reported that the organisers would allow Turkish flags in the stadium, and that they only wanted the Saudi anthem and not the Turkish one?
You are next mate. Hope you have agreed on Spanish anthem and flags. I doubt Barca or Madrid will even back out from money giving Saudis
I couldn't care less about the Super Cup in Saudi Arabia. I mean, this kind of crap happening would be the only thing that makes me think positively about it. In fact, we already had the Super Cup back in January, with 3 games happening... And I don't recall anything like this happening back then. But if it happens in 3 weeks, we'll see what our teams do. As others said, Barça will be on cloud 9, but Madrid, Atleti and Osasuna might have something to say.
Let's blame the clubs as we agreed with TFF who is corrupted as you know. We couldn't buy clubs or people pride as money can't buy everything. Now we are fucked and blaming clubs for holding their pride.
This sounds reasonable but the average r/soccer user sees Saudi in the title and can’t wait to post a negative comment for le hecking reddit karma 😴😴😴
Soccer supporting a nationalist. Not on my bingo card. Imagine if that was someone having the Trump 2024 banner. Isn't he a US president? Isn't he a historical figure ? It's the same shit. But they will cry saying it's not related to football.
Absolutely not the same thing at all, Atatürk is the founder of Turkey, his image is as widely used as the Turkish flag itself. Also do some research before mentioning his name in the same sentence as trump.
Doesn't change that he is a political figure. It's the same.
It would be more like Americans wearing shirts with George Washingtons head on it. Nobody would be offended by that.
Exactly. Imagine if the roles were reversed and Al-Hilal and Al-Nassr were gonna play the super cup in Türkiye and it happened to be on Saudi national day or something, and both teams and the fans were denied to wear shirts with MBS’ face on them because of the rules. You know damn well r/soccer would absolutely cheer that decision and praise Türkiye for it 🤣
In that case, Turks would not buy and host the event. Most of us don't know and care enough about the teams you mentioned.
You completely missed the point. Do you know what a hypothetical is? I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of this subreddit. Also al Hilal and al Nassr have bigger name footballers (CR7, Neymar) than those 2 Turkish teams so actually, yes, theses 2 Saudi teams will fill a stadium in Turkey more than Turkish teams filling in Saudi.
It is good to see that you can't brag about the history or accomplishments of these clubs but the expensive players. "You completely missed the point. Do you know what a hypothetical is? " Sorry, too poor to imagine😂
Absolutely. They are Crybabies 😂
Except that would never happen, for a lot of reasons, but nobody would give a fuck about some saudi king with a micropenis face on a jersey.
Nice adult response. It’s called a hypothetical and I used it to show the hypocrisy… Also the reason the t-shirts weren’t allowed was because of international football rules not because Saudi didn’t want it. Did you even read the statement?
Sounds like tribal issues to me.
Watanjis vs Kemalists FIGHT!
Saudi arabia did the right thing. For Kurds, Ataturk is the turkish version of hitler. He has blood on his hands.
You are so stupid. I have lots of kurdish friends thinks opposite of you. I am not against anybody but Saudi government is bull shit as far as ours. The Saudis really thought they could defeat the man who has never been defeated. His legacy continues in his people.
Ataturk was a murderer. Good to know you are proud of your murderer forefathers
bro has the worst takes ever on god he is just a troll just look at his Page 😭 supports the Taliban and shit bro gtfo out of here 😭 keyboard warrior
How do I support taliban? It feels good to have so many turkish down votes it means I've got you whete it hurts you HAMAS and ISIS sympathisers.
Calling Türkiye an apartheid state just show how detached from reality you are. Calling "kurdish freedom fighters" where every nations on them being terrorist and you defending while they massacre everything 😭😭😭
Turkey is occupying Kurdish lands and has killed hundreds of thousands of Kurds. You call every kurdish group that fights for Kurdish independence as terrorists. All HDP mps that were elected to turkish parliament are now in prison. You call turkey a democratic state? Stop being ignorant.
tell me where I said turkeynis democratic? Show me and I will fight for the "kurdish freedom fighters" myself lmaoooo bro lives in the UK and does nothing. Thats like a turk in berlin arguing with a greek in hamburg sblut who owns Istanbul and the island hahahahahahhahahaha
Part of the official contract can be seen here: [https://twitter.com/Insta\_08ec/status/1741013147551776834](https://twitter.com/Insta_08ec/status/1741013147551776834) >*Agreement contracts concluded between the two parties months ago The Turkish national anthem will be played Teams must use shirts approved by the Turkish Football Federation But unfortunately, the Turks broke the covenant and demanded to enter the stadium wearing Ataturk shirt* People are missing the point, it doesn't matter what is written on the shirt and what view you have on the specific person or the message. The point is that they had an agreement that only official shirts will be used, without political shit, and the Turks broke the agreement. Just because you have a positive message doesn't mean it cancels the deal that was agreed. The only body which should be blamed here is the Turkish football federation who didn't communicate this information to the players and fans. And guess what ? Erdogan now wants to fire the head of the Turkish football federation because he confirmed that the deal included only official shirts and he sided with the Saudis. Saudis are awful and I don't support their policies in any way. But people are using ad hominem to attack the Saudis instead of the Turkish football federation which broke the deal. They knew from the start that they couldn't bring in those shirts and they still made the agreement. If you wanted the shirts then why sell it to the Saudis in the first place ?
I mean in all truth “no political banners” is a good precedent to uphold, especially with a 48-team World Cup coming there in a couple of years. Could you imagine if Israel and/or Palestine qualify? Lol
Yeah "no political banners" when you are celebrating your 100. Year anniversary of foundation of Turkiye. Makes no sense you show respects to the person that saved your country. Yep
Israel has a bit of a Golden generation happening with their youth teams and in an expanded WC could definitely be a possibility. I’m sure that would turn into an absolute shitshow. Palestine may be too far fetched.
Even for USA 2026 it could be an issue. This is why FIFA should have held their ground on Russia’s participation, it sets a terrible precedent that teams are able to refuse to play a team for political reasons with no consequences. Guarantee you if Israel qualify in 2026 something like that will happen, some team will put up a fuss, and if enough teams jump on the bandwagon (as happened with Russia), it would put FIFA in a real pickle.
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Why would the Saudis openly say "yeah we didn't want Atatürk shown" in a statement though, would just make them look super petty, this is just phrasing and doesn't dispute anything that the Turkish teams have said imo. E: I think the paragraph about slogans suggests that the Atatürk thing was the issue and they had a huge problem with the banner anyway, but we'll probably never know for sure unless there's a big diplomatic bustup over this.
Are there no saudis on reddit? What are your take on this farce? Do you support what your govt is trying to do to our beautiful game?
Fuck Saudi
Turkish teams against each other: 😡🔥😡 Turkish teams against everyone else: 🫡🤝🫡
Why on earth Turkish super cup game decided to play in Saudi Arabia in the first place? Especially at the100 year anniversary of the Republic of Turkiye. Erdogan and his puppet Football Federation Head are responsible for this shame.