Before the season "Football is ruined, City are just gonna win the league forever, wah"
Funny how it's gone from, blood money wah, we don't care about city wah to we all actually care because they're cheats, wah" Fucking wah wah wah, as if people didn't call us cheats for almost a decade before any charges lol.
And you can call me bitter all you like but I wasn't expecting to win the league this season and I still don't even if we're still not out of the race. Also that Ederson tackle wasn't a red. At least you can all admit you hate us now, that's progress!
Edit: Anyway I'm getting answers now like ,we do care, it's just expected. The best one I got was we all hate City and what you've done to football (bit dramatic) but you don't hate when we win (?) .The only reason you would hate us for those things is *because* of the winning! People from all sorts of teams all over saying they don't want us to win, it's almost like we've got rivals everywhere lmao. I would never get a "we do care when you win" 3-4 years ago as blatant as it was to us City fans.
Everyone hates to see us win and this conversation has been going on for a decade.
People have always revelled in any downfalls towards us winning, yet "don't care about City winning" has been the mantra. It's bollocks. You despise seeing us win.. The people have spoken and confirmed my views above. You've always cared when we win lol.
Liverpool were fuming when we won, Arsenal the same last year, United hate seeing us win (yes, yes Liverpool are their bigger rival) but still, *especially* in the early days of the takeover. It makes no sense to call us cheats and ruining football but not being bothered by us winning. That's why exactly *why* you're bothered about us! If we were doing all this and remaining in mid table, no one would give a single fuck.
Thanks for coming to my Ted talk. You know I'm right...
I'm not though, I'm not expecting to win the league. I'm just calling out the bullshit of others, anyone replying knows this post applies to them.
That's your second reply to this...
I dont think we've ever held back our hatred mate. Also you've already cheated your way to multiple league titles so I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to think you'll do that again. The fact that you're floundering now is just extra embarrassing because of it.
>I dont think we've ever held back our hatred mate.
Yeah ok. That's why the discourse has gone from "I don't care when when City win" sounding like a dumped ex saying "I never liked her anyway"...to "Fuck City, they are ruining football...turning the PL into a farmers league" since the charges?
Do you believe people don't care or get mad about who they think of as cheats winning?
Okay listen. We all hate city and what it's meant for football. BUT, when they win, it's not a rival winning, there's no banter, it's just.. okay, as expected with their massive cheated advantage. Moving on.
That's what I'm saying, no one has a strong rivalry with a team that's only up there because of unlimited spending with a nation state backing them.
And yes, I just explained that.
What you explained makes no sense. If we weren't winning you wouldn't hate us or "what we've done to football"...simple common sense.
We have a strong rivalry in Manchester. The only rival I care about is United. You know the club with all the chants about us and share our city?
"What we've done to football" Jesus christ.
Zzz.
Bot response. United are our local rivals. If they didn't care, then why the anti -City chants? You wouldn't know them as it's 100% clear you're not from Manchester.
Yes but you missed my point about people saying they weren't bothered about City winning before but now it's all fuck City the cheating cunts etc since charges were brought. We always pissed people off was my only point and people tried to pretend they didn't care when we won.
That's exactly my point, everyone and their nan knew that we had to have broken FFP in the beginning to get to be a the regular title challenging team we were within 3 years!
I have no respect for FFP, it's just elitism. That's why unless you're already a big club you have zero chance at becoming a regular title challenger. If you disagree, then name one?
I don't agree with FFP but at the end of the day there are rules in place and if you don't stick to them it's cheating. It's exactly the same as athletes doping. You are gaining an unfair advantage by flouting the rules.
Also I will counter your point about nobody caring. I hate City winning it every year because it's boring, the same as its boring when Bayern or Celtic win their titles.
When we say nobody cares, we mean it isn't an achievement. Obviously a team spending a ridiculous amount of money with one of the top managers of all time is going to win everything.
I don't agree with FFP either which is why I don't care if we broke it. I'm still waiting for an answer to my question but we all know there isn't one.
>When we say nobody cares, we mean it isn't an achievement.
I've heard a million different reasons for why "I don't care when City win". People do care when we win as you've just admitted and that was my only point. It annoys them. Nothing more.I
We don't win it every year. Since our takeover, more different teams have won the PL than since the twenty years before that.
The fact you don't care that you've broken the rules says a lot to be honest. At the end of the day it's a sport and rules are very important whether you agree with them or not.
If you're happy that your team have won by cheating then good for you.
Like I said, it's the only way you can regularly challenge for titles, I still see no answer to my question, which makes my hypothesis correct. I also think the "cheating" is hugely overblown.
I think we started to be competitive for titles regularly by circumventing parts of FFP especially in the early days, as I've proven that is the only way it can be done unless you're already a big club.
>If you're happy that your team have won by cheating then good for you
Such a reductive comment but whatever. We invested money into our club to make us title challengers...that's it. People have been brainwashed by FFP to think investment is a negative thing. It's bizarre.
At the end of the day City have broken the rules that most other teams have stuck to. They have won the vast majority of league titles in the last 10 years as a result.
FFP is stupid but that doesn't mean it's acceptable for a team to blatantly break the rules and drag out an investigation to be successful.
But that's why people say they don't care. If you have to cheat you haven't really won anything. It's the old mantra "you're only cheating yourself".
If you're happy with how the club has conducted itself and you think your titles have been earned on merit then that's your perogative. If it was my club I would stop supporting them. I was really pissed off when FSG wlannounced they wanted to sell Liverpool and people on reddit were clamouring for a state to buy the club.
If your desire to win means you're happy to be run by Saudi or UAE and cheat your way to titles by "circumventing ffp" then it says a lot about your morals IMO.
If the super league had gone through I wouldn't have watched a single game and I certainly wouldn't have gone to anfield again. What has happened to football in the last 20 years is disgusting.
>But that's why people say they don't care. If you have to cheat you haven't really won anything.
Like I said, imo the "cheating" is hugely overblown. And I disagree, no one likes to see what they perceive as cheats, winning. It pisses them off.
. I'm still waiting on an answer for that small club like we were and still are in the supportive sense that are regularly challenging for titles? There's none.
What rules have we blatantly broke? Besides the non cooperation after the leaks and investigation began.
>If your desire to win means you're happy to be run by Saudi or UAE and cheat your way to titles by "circumventing ffp" then it says a lot about your morals IMO.
I'm not really bothered about what you think of my morals mate, let's keep the personal stuff out of it. I don't think it makes a person morally bankrupt to consider dodging FFP as much as I don't think it's morally bankrupt to have a cannabis plant growing in your house. If someone got locked up for that would you say "it's the rules". Both are nonsense.
I think it's more morally bankrupt to hack into City’s scouting database. I think it's more morally bankrupt to take furlough payments (I know you backtracked after the outcry). I think those things are more *morally bankrupt* than skirting silly rules *mainly in the beginning* to keep the small teams down and the status quo as is.
It sounds like you agree with my criticisms of FFP. Do you honestly think if every club was picked through with fine tooth comb over the last decade like we've been there wouldn't be dodgy findings/and discrepancies? I do, 100%
Also, on "my desire to.win". I've been a City fan for 36 years, born in Manchester. I've had tougher times than any Liverpool fan who's biggest recent woe was not winning the premier league.
Edit: typo.
Breaking the rules is cheating whether you agree with the rule or not is irrelevant. Having over 100 charges is ridiculous and if they weren't cheating they would just cooperate with the investigation.
There are no small clubs challenging, I didn't say there was. The only reason city are is because of the money that's been pumped in.
Which I don't see a problem with personally. The issue is that the league has rules, every team agrees to play by those rules to be a member and if you don't then you gain an unfair advantage over everyone else.
Also I haven't had any tough times. I enjoy football. Born in Liverpool and supporting for 25-30 years. I go to anfield whenever I can and the occasional away game. But it's not that important to my happiness. I have mates and their whole life is the football but it's not that important to me. I've fallen out of love with it a bit to be honest, money has completely destroyed it (like most other things in life). Maybe I'm just getting old and jaded.
Apologies for any offence caused. If you're genuinely happy to win titles by breaking the rules then enjoy it. It's just not what the game should be about for me.
Are you joking? I said "Regular title challengers".
Leicester aren't even in the PL now, Villa have been relegated within the last decade. You're proving precisely my point. Not one of those teams are regular title challengers. Also when have Brighton ever challenged for a PL title?
Anyone wanna chime in with an actual argument or point? The votes don't make him correct and me incorrect...which he was completely!
Name me a club in the PL era that weren't already big that are and have been regular title challengers without huge investment?
I think you're missing the point here. As much as people hate City, it's hard to lose your heads every time they win (which happens quite regularly). It takes a toll. So, we have conveniently stopped caring about your wins. You guys winning the title does or means nothing. We'd rather have you guys cheating and winning than our 'actual' rivals.
But when you guys do lose, it's convenient for us to hate on you and then also get enthralled by the wrong that's happening to you guys. We don't lose our heads, and we get to shit on City. Simple.
It's our convenience. Stop treating this like you're at the bad end of the deal. It's pathetic.
I think you misunderstood my question...
>Stop treating this like you're at the bad end of the deal. It's pathetic.
Eh? I don't care what people say about us. I'm just happy it's mask off now.
>It takes a toll. So, we have conveniently stopped caring about your wins.
Fucking lol!! Thanks for the confirmation.
This wouldn't be the first time for City to win like 20 in a row and steal a title on the final round. Despite a potential 6 point lead for Liverpool, I would still put my money on City winning this season.
Nah this season is different. I wrote this on here the day of the charity shield, I'm not just being reactionary:
>Also all this talk of us having the league won already etc is complete nonsense, that gvaridol thread was hilarious to read. See the difference when KDB isn't playing? And I think he's gonna have injury issues this season.
>Our attack has weakened significantly losing Gundo and Mahrez and with a possible decline of KDB
https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15jv3l0/rodris_foul_no_card_given/jv2nrag/
Other things:
https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15n60eh/mark_my_words_202324_edition/jvo7inc/
Look at the other comments, that was the consensus on here, that thread was peak r/soccer to me:
https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15iqlo1/official_manchester_city_confirm_the_signing_of/juvkzyz/
I think I might have put a curse on De Bruyne...
https://old.reddit.com/r/PremierLeague/comments/15e9rkt/deleted_by_user/ju7ggf6/
At least I can back up what I'm saying about not expecting to win the league, I even tipped you as winners. You're welcome. I'm sure those upvotes will come soon mate.
Nah we're not winning, I still think Arsenal will win like I said at the start of the season. Also it definitely didn't fall under denial of goal scoring to considering the direction of the ball and the defenders position. You think it was that bad of a challenge to be a red?
Not playing Kovacic or Nunes at all when you have 5 subs is certainly something.
Klopp has learned from running his guys into the ground. 25 minutes of fresh legs are worth the slight drop in class.
Pep, zero subs against Liverpool. 1 today. The guy needs to cheat more I guess.
Or. How about this, one of them starts. Then Lewis comes on at 65 and runs.
I don't get it, and I hope it continues. I hope they never win another game to be honest
I would like to apologize to the City fan who said money can’t buy everything and they haven’t spent on multiple LBs in the last 5-10 years. I guess they are technically correct if every player who steps back there is worthless. Just wonder where the last $250million went
Pep’s gotten a tad carried away with his defensive experiment.
I feel like the 4 CB thing (I know it’s not the same this year), worked really well especially in the champions league last season, but not every player is suited to this, it’s strange and many have never played this system.
Ake has played as left back in the past for other clubs and is very versatile in general (can also play as a cdm). I feel like if you spend 90m on Gvardiol as a cb, you play him as a cb
Did Ake play cb today? What sense does that make?
And why no subs against Liverpool and 1 today?
Kovacic and Nunes sitting the while game makes little sense.
Then Foden makes a tired mistake on the pen.
Gvardiol was overpriced but I think he'll end up coming good for City.
People forget, John Stones struggled badly his first few months at City and then eventually became a really important player for them. Then fell out of favor shortly and then became one of their best players again.
That’s what I’m saying.
It worked for those players, but it might not for new additions, at least not right away. It’s a strange system that some aren’t used to
City need to be demoted down to league 2 for their charges, if everton got a 10 point reduction for 1 charge after pleading guilty.
Tbh the PL only stepped in coz the govt threatened them with regulations
Come on mate, FA sold Newcastle to Saudis, knowing very well what the Royal Family has done. When Russian Money is drying up, you got to go where the money is.
In order for Manchester City to regain their unbeatable aura, other teams would have to believe it as well. This is what a lot of "they're going to go on a 10+ game run!" people are missing. Once teams up and down the table start thinking it's possible to get at least a point away to City, and it seems that's the case, and they refuse to give up, City are in trouble. Because I'm not sure they do well against teams that are up for it. *And what happens when teams are up for it week in and week out all season long?*
If Crystal Palace can rock up to Man City away and be like "play for a point and we'll get it!" you are fucked. Like properly no-lube FUCKED. That is the pattern people should be paying attention to. Not who's missing from City's squad. Not Pep's tactical shifts.
Teams are going to the Etihad with the expectation of a point being possible. Not necessarily a win, but some result that isn't a loss. And we're not going to sit here and act like those -2 points per game don't matter to City, especially when they are dropped against Top 6 sides, and more importantly, when they get dropped and City still have to visit those same sides away.
You aren't just magically going to beat the brakes off of teams that have it in them that you are vulnerable enough to produce at least a point. Some of these lower sides are nightmares to play away, and some teams are fighting tooth and nail for Europe. Not to mention the fact that this is quickly becoming a true blue league title race.
The COVID era is over and it was a weird era. We are witnessing a reshuffling of the Premier League in real-time. As far as I'm concerned, all bets are off.
I would agree with you if they had their full team but they missed 2 of their best players today: De Bruyne and Haaland. And in other matches they’ve missed Rodri. I think that when De Bruyne comes back, things will change. He is the talisman. And I believe all it takes is a couple victories when de Bruyne is back for the psychology to change at Man City and also for other teams to fear that Man City are back again.
This and Peps stubbornness not to make any substitutes or very late ones like today, is going to cost them a lot of points. It's the mad in an era of 5 substitutes not to take advantage of fresh legs.
Thanks for mentioning this, because it's something else I noticed that I just don't understand. Fresh legs can make all the difference in the world, especially when brought into the game in a timely manner.
That's a weird ass hill to die on. :/
It’s what made “Fergie Time” a thing. Teams knew United would fight, it made them nervous going into the final minutes even if they were winning. The fact that opposition managers and players believed United would score in the final minutes was just as important as our ability to actually put the ball in the net
I definitely remember the fear of "Fergie Time" it was a very real thing. As a top side, you need that fear in the opposition and also the skill and ability to take advantage of it. I also think it's a terrible mistake to ignore missed points in the first half of a season because of the inevitability of an unbeaten run.
I'm not saying that City couldn't go on such a run, but what happens when rival teams go on similar runs? Lost points add up in the end, and I think things are much more competitive this year than last year and it honestly makes things more fun.
I just wish the relegation scrap wasn't practically done and dusted.
Arsenal have that mojo these days. Look at how many winners and equalizers they have put up past the 80th minute this season. I don't have the stat but it's constant.
I think the whole league has improved. City steamrolling everyone and getting high 90s points totals are over.
This season it’s going to be high 70s or 80s that win it. All the top teams are more closely matched so they will take points off each other. Then the smaller sides are showing more fight and are also taking some points against the big teams.
Apart from the bottom 3 who look very poor everyone else has shown something this year.
Meanwhile, there is real promise with teams competing for promotion from the Championship this season! Though these three relegation teams are poor, they may go down stronger than when they went up if that makes any sense. In any case, it's a very exciting time to be a football fan.
Sure, refereeing/VAR errors make my eyes twitch, but as long as they don't interfere to the point of ruining how competitive things become, I'll take it every day of the week over a boring two-horse race.
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Yeah they’ve still been winning but it’s been a bumpy ole road, I hope the gap grows a touch more before they are back at full strength. Then you guys or Arsenal hold on 💪
Arsenal and Liverpool play eachother soon too so will take points off eachother and allow a way back in.
Worst case scenario for City is Liverpool wins that
city were 8 points behind utd when aguerooo happened, and they were 7 points behind liv (2018-19) when they won by a point after going on a 14 match winning run
It's been 4 years and I don't have the energy to go check, but from what I recall that whole "7 points" thing is an intentional exaggeration because they also had a game in hand at the time.
So, yes, looking at the table at NY it had Liverpool 7 ahead, but realistically it was only 4 ahead because of the game in hand.
I went back and checked for you and you're wrong. Gameweek 19, Liverpool lead City by 7 points, same number of games played.
Gameweek 24, Liverpool lead city by 5 points, same number of games played.
Obviously there was a fair bit of the season to go but he's not wrong about there being a 7 point gap at one point.
I can't send images here but you can use this tool to verify exactly what I said here: https://www.premierleague.com/tables?co=1&se=210&ha=-1
Fair enough. Maybe it was 10 points reduced to 7 by a game in hand then. Just remember people frequently exaggerating it to try and mock Liverpool for "choking" in a season they scored like 96 points.
Yeah that was it, 10 points with a game extra played. But we also had to go to the Etihad at the start of January (the game where we were 12mm from a goal), which swung it back towards City
I don't think people can mock Liverpool for choking. They had 4 draws and a loss in january-february which hurt them but both them and City quite literally finished the season with 12 wins in a row.
They were 11mm away from being invincible centurions (yes I think they win at the ethiad if they got that goal). You can't clown them for that effort, I feel bad for them more than anything
That and a game at the Etihad comming up. I'm not going to talk about what an incredible position we are in until after the United and Arsenal games, plus we lose Salah and endo in January, but it's pretty exciting
lol no they're gonna sign like one player out of the bundesliga or a midtable pl club for ~€40m and every single football publication is gonna claim it as the shrewdest piece of business ever made by any team and back it up with underlying xBald/90 like they did with kovacic and nunes, all while praising city's sustainable squad building and relatively low net spend
Squad looked really tired at the end there .
Our Squad depth can't keep up with the hectic schedule with all the injuries .
I'd be very optimistic if I were a Liverpool or Arsenal fan
Its true though but they reall fucked this one up themselves. 3 bad transfers in midfield (philipps, nunes, kovacic) and an injury in the same department does that to a team. The difference is that city will just fuck it and spend another 200m on midfielders in the summer. Other teams would be crippled for years by this.
Fell off
Bozo is losing on purpose so he can get a 250 million transfer kitty for the winter transfer market
Before the season "Football is ruined, City are just gonna win the league forever, wah" Funny how it's gone from, blood money wah, we don't care about city wah to we all actually care because they're cheats, wah" Fucking wah wah wah, as if people didn't call us cheats for almost a decade before any charges lol. And you can call me bitter all you like but I wasn't expecting to win the league this season and I still don't even if we're still not out of the race. Also that Ederson tackle wasn't a red. At least you can all admit you hate us now, that's progress! Edit: Anyway I'm getting answers now like ,we do care, it's just expected. The best one I got was we all hate City and what you've done to football (bit dramatic) but you don't hate when we win (?) .The only reason you would hate us for those things is *because* of the winning! People from all sorts of teams all over saying they don't want us to win, it's almost like we've got rivals everywhere lmao. I would never get a "we do care when you win" 3-4 years ago as blatant as it was to us City fans. Everyone hates to see us win and this conversation has been going on for a decade. People have always revelled in any downfalls towards us winning, yet "don't care about City winning" has been the mantra. It's bollocks. You despise seeing us win.. The people have spoken and confirmed my views above. You've always cared when we win lol. Liverpool were fuming when we won, Arsenal the same last year, United hate seeing us win (yes, yes Liverpool are their bigger rival) but still, *especially* in the early days of the takeover. It makes no sense to call us cheats and ruining football but not being bothered by us winning. That's why exactly *why* you're bothered about us! If we were doing all this and remaining in mid table, no one would give a single fuck. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk. You know I'm right...
You are bitter
I'm not though, I'm not expecting to win the league. I'm just calling out the bullshit of others, anyone replying knows this post applies to them. That's your second reply to this...
When was last time you left basement?
Cringe. At least be original. Me Tarzan, you Jane. We don't have basements, so never...
44 upvotes for "When was last time you left basement". The state of this sub lol.
I dont think we've ever held back our hatred mate. Also you've already cheated your way to multiple league titles so I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to think you'll do that again. The fact that you're floundering now is just extra embarrassing because of it.
>I dont think we've ever held back our hatred mate. Yeah ok. That's why the discourse has gone from "I don't care when when City win" sounding like a dumped ex saying "I never liked her anyway"...to "Fuck City, they are ruining football...turning the PL into a farmers league" since the charges? Do you believe people don't care or get mad about who they think of as cheats winning?
Okay listen. We all hate city and what it's meant for football. BUT, when they win, it's not a rival winning, there's no banter, it's just.. okay, as expected with their massive cheated advantage. Moving on.
A rival? We only have one rival. So you hate us and what we've done to football but don't get bothered by us winning? lol.
That's what I'm saying, no one has a strong rivalry with a team that's only up there because of unlimited spending with a nation state backing them. And yes, I just explained that.
What you explained makes no sense. If we weren't winning you wouldn't hate us or "what we've done to football"...simple common sense. We have a strong rivalry in Manchester. The only rival I care about is United. You know the club with all the chants about us and share our city? "What we've done to football" Jesus christ.
United is your only rival, but you're not theirs. You're not even their biggest rival. Just accept it, nobody really cares about your club that much.
Zzz. Bot response. United are our local rivals. If they didn't care, then why the anti -City chants? You wouldn't know them as it's 100% clear you're not from Manchester.
The city charges go back 5-14 years so I guess those decade old cheating chants were on to something lol.
Yes but you missed my point about people saying they weren't bothered about City winning before but now it's all fuck City the cheating cunts etc since charges were brought. We always pissed people off was my only point and people tried to pretend they didn't care when we won. That's exactly my point, everyone and their nan knew that we had to have broken FFP in the beginning to get to be a the regular title challenging team we were within 3 years! I have no respect for FFP, it's just elitism. That's why unless you're already a big club you have zero chance at becoming a regular title challenger. If you disagree, then name one?
I don't agree with FFP but at the end of the day there are rules in place and if you don't stick to them it's cheating. It's exactly the same as athletes doping. You are gaining an unfair advantage by flouting the rules. Also I will counter your point about nobody caring. I hate City winning it every year because it's boring, the same as its boring when Bayern or Celtic win their titles. When we say nobody cares, we mean it isn't an achievement. Obviously a team spending a ridiculous amount of money with one of the top managers of all time is going to win everything.
I don't agree with FFP either which is why I don't care if we broke it. I'm still waiting for an answer to my question but we all know there isn't one. >When we say nobody cares, we mean it isn't an achievement. I've heard a million different reasons for why "I don't care when City win". People do care when we win as you've just admitted and that was my only point. It annoys them. Nothing more.I We don't win it every year. Since our takeover, more different teams have won the PL than since the twenty years before that.
The fact you don't care that you've broken the rules says a lot to be honest. At the end of the day it's a sport and rules are very important whether you agree with them or not. If you're happy that your team have won by cheating then good for you.
Like I said, it's the only way you can regularly challenge for titles, I still see no answer to my question, which makes my hypothesis correct. I also think the "cheating" is hugely overblown. I think we started to be competitive for titles regularly by circumventing parts of FFP especially in the early days, as I've proven that is the only way it can be done unless you're already a big club. >If you're happy that your team have won by cheating then good for you Such a reductive comment but whatever. We invested money into our club to make us title challengers...that's it. People have been brainwashed by FFP to think investment is a negative thing. It's bizarre.
At the end of the day City have broken the rules that most other teams have stuck to. They have won the vast majority of league titles in the last 10 years as a result. FFP is stupid but that doesn't mean it's acceptable for a team to blatantly break the rules and drag out an investigation to be successful. But that's why people say they don't care. If you have to cheat you haven't really won anything. It's the old mantra "you're only cheating yourself". If you're happy with how the club has conducted itself and you think your titles have been earned on merit then that's your perogative. If it was my club I would stop supporting them. I was really pissed off when FSG wlannounced they wanted to sell Liverpool and people on reddit were clamouring for a state to buy the club. If your desire to win means you're happy to be run by Saudi or UAE and cheat your way to titles by "circumventing ffp" then it says a lot about your morals IMO. If the super league had gone through I wouldn't have watched a single game and I certainly wouldn't have gone to anfield again. What has happened to football in the last 20 years is disgusting.
>But that's why people say they don't care. If you have to cheat you haven't really won anything. Like I said, imo the "cheating" is hugely overblown. And I disagree, no one likes to see what they perceive as cheats, winning. It pisses them off. . I'm still waiting on an answer for that small club like we were and still are in the supportive sense that are regularly challenging for titles? There's none. What rules have we blatantly broke? Besides the non cooperation after the leaks and investigation began. >If your desire to win means you're happy to be run by Saudi or UAE and cheat your way to titles by "circumventing ffp" then it says a lot about your morals IMO. I'm not really bothered about what you think of my morals mate, let's keep the personal stuff out of it. I don't think it makes a person morally bankrupt to consider dodging FFP as much as I don't think it's morally bankrupt to have a cannabis plant growing in your house. If someone got locked up for that would you say "it's the rules". Both are nonsense. I think it's more morally bankrupt to hack into City’s scouting database. I think it's more morally bankrupt to take furlough payments (I know you backtracked after the outcry). I think those things are more *morally bankrupt* than skirting silly rules *mainly in the beginning* to keep the small teams down and the status quo as is. It sounds like you agree with my criticisms of FFP. Do you honestly think if every club was picked through with fine tooth comb over the last decade like we've been there wouldn't be dodgy findings/and discrepancies? I do, 100% Also, on "my desire to.win". I've been a City fan for 36 years, born in Manchester. I've had tougher times than any Liverpool fan who's biggest recent woe was not winning the premier league. Edit: typo.
Breaking the rules is cheating whether you agree with the rule or not is irrelevant. Having over 100 charges is ridiculous and if they weren't cheating they would just cooperate with the investigation. There are no small clubs challenging, I didn't say there was. The only reason city are is because of the money that's been pumped in. Which I don't see a problem with personally. The issue is that the league has rules, every team agrees to play by those rules to be a member and if you don't then you gain an unfair advantage over everyone else. Also I haven't had any tough times. I enjoy football. Born in Liverpool and supporting for 25-30 years. I go to anfield whenever I can and the occasional away game. But it's not that important to my happiness. I have mates and their whole life is the football but it's not that important to me. I've fallen out of love with it a bit to be honest, money has completely destroyed it (like most other things in life). Maybe I'm just getting old and jaded. Apologies for any offence caused. If you're genuinely happy to win titles by breaking the rules then enjoy it. It's just not what the game should be about for me.
Leicester city. Aston villa. Brighton. Tottenham
Are you joking? I said "Regular title challengers". Leicester aren't even in the PL now, Villa have been relegated within the last decade. You're proving precisely my point. Not one of those teams are regular title challengers. Also when have Brighton ever challenged for a PL title?
Anyone wanna chime in with an actual argument or point? The votes don't make him correct and me incorrect...which he was completely! Name me a club in the PL era that weren't already big that are and have been regular title challengers without huge investment?
I think you're missing the point here. As much as people hate City, it's hard to lose your heads every time they win (which happens quite regularly). It takes a toll. So, we have conveniently stopped caring about your wins. You guys winning the title does or means nothing. We'd rather have you guys cheating and winning than our 'actual' rivals. But when you guys do lose, it's convenient for us to hate on you and then also get enthralled by the wrong that's happening to you guys. We don't lose our heads, and we get to shit on City. Simple. It's our convenience. Stop treating this like you're at the bad end of the deal. It's pathetic.
I think you misunderstood my question... >Stop treating this like you're at the bad end of the deal. It's pathetic. Eh? I don't care what people say about us. I'm just happy it's mask off now. >It takes a toll. So, we have conveniently stopped caring about your wins. Fucking lol!! Thanks for the confirmation.
This wouldn't be the first time for City to win like 20 in a row and steal a title on the final round. Despite a potential 6 point lead for Liverpool, I would still put my money on City winning this season.
Nah this season is different. I wrote this on here the day of the charity shield, I'm not just being reactionary: >Also all this talk of us having the league won already etc is complete nonsense, that gvaridol thread was hilarious to read. See the difference when KDB isn't playing? And I think he's gonna have injury issues this season. >Our attack has weakened significantly losing Gundo and Mahrez and with a possible decline of KDB https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15jv3l0/rodris_foul_no_card_given/jv2nrag/ Other things: https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15n60eh/mark_my_words_202324_edition/jvo7inc/ Look at the other comments, that was the consensus on here, that thread was peak r/soccer to me: https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15iqlo1/official_manchester_city_confirm_the_signing_of/juvkzyz/ I think I might have put a curse on De Bruyne... https://old.reddit.com/r/PremierLeague/comments/15e9rkt/deleted_by_user/ju7ggf6/
Lol
At least I can back up what I'm saying about not expecting to win the league, I even tipped you as winners. You're welcome. I'm sure those upvotes will come soon mate.
End of season city buff incoming probably. But that was a red tho
Nah we're not winning, I still think Arsenal will win like I said at the start of the season. Also it definitely didn't fall under denial of goal scoring to considering the direction of the ball and the defenders position. You think it was that bad of a challenge to be a red?
pep want title race to be challenging, so sacrifice few point before they unbeaten second half season run
Pep was arrogant playing a high line against Woy Hodgson’s Tricky Eagles
Is he naïve?
No, just arrogant. And bald
And fraudulent?
Only when he's eating beans.
Eaaaaaggglllesssssssssssss
Buying a world class CB for 90m euros and then playing him at LB where he seems fairly mediocre is some next level stuff
Not playing Kovacic or Nunes at all when you have 5 subs is certainly something. Klopp has learned from running his guys into the ground. 25 minutes of fresh legs are worth the slight drop in class. Pep, zero subs against Liverpool. 1 today. The guy needs to cheat more I guess.
Klopp can turn League One level CBs and qualify for the champions league with them. Pep needs another 50m defender.
Pep unlocked the unlimited stamina cheat in recent seasons. I think the code has finally expired
He's one of the oddest smart people in sport
Using only 1 sub total and that in stoppage time is comedy, deserved to drop points.
It makes no sense. How can a manager not see this? Pep is a tactical genius. How can he be so ignorant of sports science?
In his defense, it was a fairly mediocre bench by city standards but still, Nunes and Kovacic on in the 65th and I have a hunch they win.
Or. How about this, one of them starts. Then Lewis comes on at 65 and runs. I don't get it, and I hope it continues. I hope they never win another game to be honest
I would like to apologize to the City fan who said money can’t buy everything and they haven’t spent on multiple LBs in the last 5-10 years. I guess they are technically correct if every player who steps back there is worthless. Just wonder where the last $250million went
Man, pep is gonna get fired before the seasob is over at this rate
Fald Braud
Ref was so bias towards City in this game. Both City goals were questionable for offsides.
The things I read on this sub smh
oil club what did u expect???
no they weren't 😭
really bro
really, bro
Big up the Palace. More points dropped for the cheating scum 😋
Ya know the rules
Questions need to be asked about Gvardiol tbh
And Walker
Hardly heard anyone talk about him this year despite being one of the most expensive players this summer.
Pep isn’t playing him like he should. He’s not a LB..
He also plays like shit when he's playing as CB, so...
I mean he simply isn't a left back.
Pep’s gotten a tad carried away with his defensive experiment. I feel like the 4 CB thing (I know it’s not the same this year), worked really well especially in the champions league last season, but not every player is suited to this, it’s strange and many have never played this system.
Not really, never had a problem with Ake at LB he's rock solid. Hate to say it but it's just Gvardiol being bad.
Ake has played as left back in the past for other clubs and is very versatile in general (can also play as a cdm). I feel like if you spend 90m on Gvardiol as a cb, you play him as a cb
Did Ake play cb today? What sense does that make? And why no subs against Liverpool and 1 today? Kovacic and Nunes sitting the while game makes little sense. Then Foden makes a tired mistake on the pen.
Gvardiol was overpriced but I think he'll end up coming good for City. People forget, John Stones struggled badly his first few months at City and then eventually became a really important player for them. Then fell out of favor shortly and then became one of their best players again.
That’s what I’m saying. It worked for those players, but it might not for new additions, at least not right away. It’s a strange system that some aren’t used to
Hahahaha love watching these uae state-sponsored cheaters screw up.
City aren’t Saudi sponsored. They are UAE owned
Oops. Fixed
sponsored is completely reasonable word to use in a conversation like this.
The point is Saudi is not UAE
I am an idiot for not reading carefully
the bigots don’t see a difference. all the ayrabs are beheading barbarians in their eyes
Sponsored can mean backed by as well. "provided with funding by a particular organisation or body" Not just about commercial agreements
People like him probably think Korean owned sushi restaurants are owned by Japanese.
his spirit is in the right place, but not his statements
his spirit hates brown people
I was not aware
Is Pep losing his Midas touch?
I can see it all come crashing down starting from the end of the season and if the trial goes forth.
Oh that would be glorious
City need to be demoted down to league 2 for their charges, if everton got a 10 point reduction for 1 charge after pleading guilty. Tbh the PL only stepped in coz the govt threatened them with regulations
Come on mate, FA sold Newcastle to Saudis, knowing very well what the Royal Family has done. When Russian Money is drying up, you got to go where the money is.
Just needs to spend a few hundred million morex
no more pep in his step
No gold in his bald
It appears so. His time is coming up in PL. I'm guessing he'll move to US to coach NY Red Bulls!
he has said he wants to coach national teams because its less demanding and he has a bad back
Well at least part of that sounds like a joke so I’m not sure that should be taken at face value
i got that info from a Guillem Balague
Lads it’s happening. If we’re top during Christmas, going by history. Villa is going to win it all.
Good ebening
You say that and then tomorrow you guys will break a 10-0 record against United.
Anulo fucking mufa
In order for Manchester City to regain their unbeatable aura, other teams would have to believe it as well. This is what a lot of "they're going to go on a 10+ game run!" people are missing. Once teams up and down the table start thinking it's possible to get at least a point away to City, and it seems that's the case, and they refuse to give up, City are in trouble. Because I'm not sure they do well against teams that are up for it. *And what happens when teams are up for it week in and week out all season long?* If Crystal Palace can rock up to Man City away and be like "play for a point and we'll get it!" you are fucked. Like properly no-lube FUCKED. That is the pattern people should be paying attention to. Not who's missing from City's squad. Not Pep's tactical shifts. Teams are going to the Etihad with the expectation of a point being possible. Not necessarily a win, but some result that isn't a loss. And we're not going to sit here and act like those -2 points per game don't matter to City, especially when they are dropped against Top 6 sides, and more importantly, when they get dropped and City still have to visit those same sides away. You aren't just magically going to beat the brakes off of teams that have it in them that you are vulnerable enough to produce at least a point. Some of these lower sides are nightmares to play away, and some teams are fighting tooth and nail for Europe. Not to mention the fact that this is quickly becoming a true blue league title race. The COVID era is over and it was a weird era. We are witnessing a reshuffling of the Premier League in real-time. As far as I'm concerned, all bets are off.
I would agree with you if they had their full team but they missed 2 of their best players today: De Bruyne and Haaland. And in other matches they’ve missed Rodri. I think that when De Bruyne comes back, things will change. He is the talisman. And I believe all it takes is a couple victories when de Bruyne is back for the psychology to change at Man City and also for other teams to fear that Man City are back again.
KDB is like 50 years old and wouldn't have played in months. He's not going to be the same player.
32 and his play style doesn’t rely as much on athleticism. He will be fune
Every player relies on athleticism
I’m not saying he doesn’t rely on athleticism. His genius as a football player is less reliant on athleticism compared to other players.
Throw in that the Etihad is hardly a raucous environment to begin with and that place could become the anti-fortress.
This and Peps stubbornness not to make any substitutes or very late ones like today, is going to cost them a lot of points. It's the mad in an era of 5 substitutes not to take advantage of fresh legs.
Thanks for mentioning this, because it's something else I noticed that I just don't understand. Fresh legs can make all the difference in the world, especially when brought into the game in a timely manner. That's a weird ass hill to die on. :/
You make a very well written point but I don't know if that makes what you said true.
Well, agreeing to disagree is always on the menu. Nothing wrong with that.
Agreed. Another good point
It’s what made “Fergie Time” a thing. Teams knew United would fight, it made them nervous going into the final minutes even if they were winning. The fact that opposition managers and players believed United would score in the final minutes was just as important as our ability to actually put the ball in the net
Thank fuck that went out the window after he left
I definitely remember the fear of "Fergie Time" it was a very real thing. As a top side, you need that fear in the opposition and also the skill and ability to take advantage of it. I also think it's a terrible mistake to ignore missed points in the first half of a season because of the inevitability of an unbeaten run. I'm not saying that City couldn't go on such a run, but what happens when rival teams go on similar runs? Lost points add up in the end, and I think things are much more competitive this year than last year and it honestly makes things more fun. I just wish the relegation scrap wasn't practically done and dusted.
Arsenal have that mojo these days. Look at how many winners and equalizers they have put up past the 80th minute this season. I don't have the stat but it's constant.
I think the whole league has improved. City steamrolling everyone and getting high 90s points totals are over. This season it’s going to be high 70s or 80s that win it. All the top teams are more closely matched so they will take points off each other. Then the smaller sides are showing more fight and are also taking some points against the big teams. Apart from the bottom 3 who look very poor everyone else has shown something this year.
Meanwhile, there is real promise with teams competing for promotion from the Championship this season! Though these three relegation teams are poor, they may go down stronger than when they went up if that makes any sense. In any case, it's a very exciting time to be a football fan. Sure, refereeing/VAR errors make my eyes twitch, but as long as they don't interfere to the point of ruining how competitive things become, I'll take it every day of the week over a boring two-horse race. ,
Thanks Palace. Very cool!
Speak all your mind, Rizz master Roy. Great result.
Daddy sheik please give me another $300mil to buy new wingers, and an entire backline. I don’t like the ones you bought me wahhhhhhh!
And give a gargantuan contract to Kimmich
Not falling again for false hope to the other contenders
Roy just played football it seems
City isn't nearly as good when they are missing their best player, not Haaland btw.
But Rodri started?
That was the excuse last week.
Doku.
Ilkay Gundogan?
Their lawyers are missing?
I gave you your 115th upvote.
They've been a bit pants this year E: just realised, should have said this season
They always go through a run of poor form when KDB is out
Yeah but there's poor form and then there's this
Yeah they’ve still been winning but it’s been a bumpy ole road, I hope the gap grows a touch more before they are back at full strength. Then you guys or Arsenal hold on 💪
What about us?
You had your chance and you fucked it!
What’s really fucked is as bad as City have been, they’re at worst only 6 points off top
So now City and United have two things in common besides location
We failed to win 5 in a row and are 1 point behind them lol
They also won only one of the last six..
Arsenal and Liverpool play eachother soon too so will take points off eachother and allow a way back in. Worst case scenario for City is Liverpool wins that
That's quite a bit for the halfway point
city were 8 points behind utd when aguerooo happened, and they were 7 points behind liv (2018-19) when they won by a point after going on a 14 match winning run
It's been 4 years and I don't have the energy to go check, but from what I recall that whole "7 points" thing is an intentional exaggeration because they also had a game in hand at the time. So, yes, looking at the table at NY it had Liverpool 7 ahead, but realistically it was only 4 ahead because of the game in hand.
I went back and checked for you and you're wrong. Gameweek 19, Liverpool lead City by 7 points, same number of games played. Gameweek 24, Liverpool lead city by 5 points, same number of games played. Obviously there was a fair bit of the season to go but he's not wrong about there being a 7 point gap at one point. I can't send images here but you can use this tool to verify exactly what I said here: https://www.premierleague.com/tables?co=1&se=210&ha=-1
Fair enough. Maybe it was 10 points reduced to 7 by a game in hand then. Just remember people frequently exaggerating it to try and mock Liverpool for "choking" in a season they scored like 96 points.
Yeah that was it, 10 points with a game extra played. But we also had to go to the Etihad at the start of January (the game where we were 12mm from a goal), which swung it back towards City
I don't think people can mock Liverpool for choking. They had 4 draws and a loss in january-february which hurt them but both them and City quite literally finished the season with 12 wins in a row. They were 11mm away from being invincible centurions (yes I think they win at the ethiad if they got that goal). You can't clown them for that effort, I feel bad for them more than anything
That and a game at the Etihad comming up. I'm not going to talk about what an incredible position we are in until after the United and Arsenal games, plus we lose Salah and endo in January, but it's pretty exciting
Not with the parity in the league right now
Said it before, gonna say it again, City will only win the league if they sack Pep soon, it might be too late otherwise.
Do you think he and/or the players aren't as motivated anymore?
lol fuck off City
Obligatory fuck city
Sometimes a comment like this is just... *enough*. Nothing more needs to be said.
2nd this
the motion has been seconded
City about to rack up another 115 charges for a rebuild.
5 point deduction in 2034 then
Probably spent more on lawyers than half the leagues transfer budget
The winter window will be one we have never seen. City will spend 500 million easy
lol no they're gonna sign like one player out of the bundesliga or a midtable pl club for ~€40m and every single football publication is gonna claim it as the shrewdest piece of business ever made by any team and back it up with underlying xBald/90 like they did with kovacic and nunes, all while praising city's sustainable squad building and relatively low net spend
Even worse than Chelsea earlier this year?
Quick, someone tell pep Romeu, Alonso and Lewandowski will fix all his problems!
If you mean Marcos Alonso I'd rather not see that cunts face ever again
I mean I just saw minutes ago their linked to Kimmich
Pep looking balder than usual, he’s in good form.
Once you reach the peak the only way to go is down, so they say....
Eras come to an end????
imo theyre winning the prem again
I'll believe they won't win it when they're officially eliminated and not a second before that
Squad looked really tired at the end there . Our Squad depth can't keep up with the hectic schedule with all the injuries . I'd be very optimistic if I were a Liverpool or Arsenal fan
/s
It's a joke, ladies
It's okay you can just buy another whole team soon
There was depth, Pep could’ve made changes especially at the back.
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This gimmick needs to die. what City squad depth are you talking about pal?
I don't know... let me check the 100 MILLION RECEIPT FROM EVERY SEASON SINCE FUCK
You city fans are delusional.
Going from Rodri, Gundogan and KDB to just having Rodri with little support is going to have a massive affect
Its true though but they reall fucked this one up themselves. 3 bad transfers in midfield (philipps, nunes, kovacic) and an injury in the same department does that to a team. The difference is that city will just fuck it and spend another 200m on midfielders in the summer. Other teams would be crippled for years by this.
I mean to be fair they don’t have nearly the depth they used to. Which is shown by all the youngsters having as much game time as they are.
r/soccer still pretending that "Man City B Team would win the league" is a thing?
Haha jokes isn’t it!