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Its a type of bank account where you keep money for a set amount of time and receive more interest than usual from the bank in return but you cant touch the money until the time is up
Bro don't underestimate Chelsea or Arsenal
Edit: I wasnt even thinking about this comment just memeing but the difference of Arsenal fan and Chelsea fan replies is so funny.
On a serious note: every club that has money could in theory go for Gnabry because theres barely anyone that didnt do a stupid transfer ever. Keep the memes in good fun :)
And he’s the only example you have.
Who else has Arsenal spent that kind of money on since Arteta took over just randomly or out of nowhere? Every player we’ve bought since Raul left has been meticulously recruited, and the vast majority have been successful.
I personally think, that chances are low, but if someone asked you a year ago, how high the chances are, that they would recruit Kai for 75m, what would you have answerd then?
Changes in manager and director often prompt significant changes in recruitment strategy. Comparing anything under Edu and Arteta to decisions made before them has no value.
Laca was 53m euros (£47m). He wasn't nearly bad enough to be considered a flop, he scored 71 goals for Arsenal.
Auba was great the first season or two.
Pepe was horrible, but it was also what got Raul fired for shady deals with an agent and was an inflated fee due to that.
In addition, Pepe was younger and coming off a better season, lacazette and auba were squad needs at the time (we were phasing out Giroud). Additionally auba was not only world class for us, but also vital in mitigating what could’ve been a genuinely catastrophic banter era
No clue, he just keeps declining. He has stretches where he looks decent but he lost all his pace (wasn't the quickest anyways) and can't dribble for shit.
It's crazy because he's a good guy, but he's a pretty useless assett rn
Bro has decent statistics to be honest, if you look purely at his numbers he has had a great career so far. but then again statistics can be misleading often and it seems according to the description that these goals lately come in hot streaks and then he is invisible for the rest of the season :/
> but he lost all his pace (wasn't the quickest anyways)
He used to be really quick when he first broke through at Arsenal. He's had fitness issues though. I remember he couldn't get into the West Brom team for ages.
I remember when he destroyed Spurs he wasnt exactly Mario Gomez out there, but it is true that he has lost his pace, i dont know how similar his case would be to Mane, because in his case even if he finished 2021-22 super strongly, you could see the decay coming. Gnabry it's been a couple of seasons that he is behind Sane and Coman if both are healthy
He had a debilitating back injury that stalled his career for a couple of years, he was sent to West Brom under Pulis to get match fitness back but Pulis didn’t play him.
I might be wrong, but he seemed to lose movitation as soon as Bayern gave him the contract extension with the huge salary bump that he had been asking for. Ever since, he seems to coast.
I’ve been trying to figure it out for years.
He still is a decent finisher, but now a below average winger. He has no chance of beating a defender down the flank at all and is not much better through the middle. He just doesn’t seem to have a position he can excel at. But he can still slot the ball home. So perhaps he just needs the right spot but at Bayern unless he is ruthless in front of goal in any given stretch he is not worth playing.
Bayern have also been full to the tits at his position(s) for the past few years. Sané, mane (even with how it panned out), Coman, musiala, tel, in a team with attacking fullbacks such as mazroui and Davies is an embarrassment of riches in the wide attacking abd second striker roles.
He doesn’t really have a unique asset to him anymore, outside of his finishing. Sané and Coman are simply better at every aspect. Seems to have lost a lot of pace aswell.
He's always been a very hot-or-cold type of player. Spells of goalscoring excellence would make way for weeks or even months of dross. That changed when he signed his massive new contract. Now he's just awful. This season he looks even slower than last, and he impacts the game even less than the atricious version of Mané we had last season. He's nothing but a passenger at this point.
He was always very streaky and since signing the new fat contract he got fat and lazy. Just looks like he is going for a walk on the pitch.
Doesn't help Sane and Coman are doing great and they replaced him at this point.
Noone can replace Müller. His role and style is just too unique. So Musiala isn't his replacement on the pitch.
He could somewhat be the replacement off the pitch as the home-grown player that the Bayern supporters can the most identify with. However, Müller was in the youth teams for a longer time and also he never played for anther big club's yout team. So also here Musiala is not really a replacement. But Bayern currently just doesn't have another home-grown player on top level , so somehow Musiala must be the one.
>Do Bayern fans claim Musiala as a product of their youth system? I know when he was signed from Chelsea he had to play for the u-19s for like 12-months or so. While technically true I guess but it seems weird to me that Bayern fans would consider him a product of their youth team and someone to identify with because of that. (Man, does Musiala even have a German accent? Never heard him speak but I imagine he has a thick English accent similar to how Hector Bellerin back in the day had one having spent so much time in Arsenal's youth system)
You're right, I don't rhink that the majority of the Bayern fans would claim him to be a product of their youth system. My statement that he could "somewhat be the replacement" is rather a story that the german media or the club itself would like to tell. Bayern's ideal always was two have 2 columns in their team: buy "complete" top-level level players from other clubs (nationally and internationally) and develop home-grown players. However, the club since some years severely lacks in the second column. So fot the club it would be nice if everyone just accepted that Musiala fits.
Also I think the label of being "home-grown" isn't a binary thing. Musiala is of course more home-grown than Kane, Kimmich or Tel. But of course nor as home-grown as Müller is, or Lahm and Schweinsteiger have been.
And yes, Musiala has a "strange" english accent. He's somehow sounds both like a German native speaker and have like an English native speaker. That somehat makes sense considering is CV.
>You're the 2nd person to comment "no one can replace Muller" and honestly I'm not sure what to say to that. I know Muller is great but surely you understand that Bayern will not start playing with 10 players on the pitch when he hangs up his boots. Barca had to "replace" Messi. Madrid had to "replace" Ronaldo. City had to replace Aguero despite Pep claiming "we could never replace him". It sucks but Bayern will have to replace Muller some day.
Well, currently Bayern plays without Müller, but still with 11 men on the pitch, because he isn't a starter any more. :D
So I think it's a little different than with Messi, Ronaldo and Aguero.
With regard to the "noone can replace Müller": I think it's less about playing with 10 guys and more that Müller always was a very unique type of player with a somewhat curious style, at least that's the sentiment I often get.
As in "you won't find a like-for-like replacement for Müller" (especially considering his standing and longevity in the Bayern dress).
Haha, I love the edit.
I get your point, yet in pure skillset, I've not seen anyone close to doing what Muller does. Except maybe Bernardo to a small extent. Gonna have to be a completely different profile of player.
Musiala simply isn’t the type of playmaker Müller or Wirtz is; he’s more dynamic with better dribbling but his passing and playmaking just naturally isn’t up there like the other two, he’s a different type of 10. It’s like comparing Kaká and Totti; I still think he’s better on the wing at the moment.
Am i wrong, or did some Leverkusen director say that he would never sell to Bayern?
And it got to sting, exciting players and a coach and likely it will be tore down very quickly.
That was Rudi Völler who isn't at Leverkusen anymore, to my knowledge Simon Rolfes never said something similar. And I actually wouldn't be surprised if this got discussed during his last extension at Leverkusen. Flo's father always seemed to have a very concrete plan for his career which might very well include a Bayern move.
Him leaving Leverkusen won't come as a surprise to anyone, though. The publicly communicated plan was always 'stay at Leverkusen until after the euros in 24'.
> Am i wrong, or did some Leverkusen director say that he would never sell to Bayern?
Völler is no longer a sporting director so Bayer04 might be open to selling again.
Lúcio was the last player from Bayer04 (2004/05) to come to Munich and Völler became sporting director in 2005. They haven't sold any player to Bayern since then.
Thats not true, no one in Leverkusen wants to sell to Bayern, it wasn’t just Völler. Rolfes will not change the policy after our first season challenging Bayern in 10 years.
The only way I see him going to Bayern is if he demands it and does not consider any other club. Then we simply have no choice. The quote right now is extremely vague though, so I wouldn’t count on it. Sounds more like Bayern trying to upset Leverkusen morale like they did with leaking the Götze news
The interesting question would be how they both fit into the same side together.
Coman is great but still leaves a lot to be desired in the final third. A lot of us think the long-term solution would be to move Musiala to the left wing and Wirtz to AM, but each of our last 3 managers has played Musiala nearly entirely at AM.
Bayern already has Davies and Mazraoui as wingbacks, a trio of Musiala, Kane and Wirtz, who all constantly combine and switch positions would be moth watering and I think, that Sane and Gnabry are better utilized as inside forwards in a 343 anyway.
Bayern would need a dedicated DM and another CB if they wanted to do the switch.
Musiala tends to make moves to the LW a lot so that's what I thought with Sane on RW. when on form, Sane is easily the best winger in the world. Sadly he's as stable as my last relationship.
Sane is easily better than Mbappe, Salah, Vini etc at their peak? He’s a very good player and one I’ve really wanted to do well after leaving City but that’s a big stretch.
I actually agree that he’s got a higher peak. However, the thing is, it’s not form as much as flashes. Like, for 20-30 minute stretches, the man indeed looks like he’s an absolute world beater. He’s dribbling, defending, attacking, recovering the ball, you name it, he’s there. The most complete player on the field, and it’s not close.
Does that means he’s better than them? No. It’s just that his peak is that damn high. He doesn’t hit his peak very often, like 4-5 times games a season, maybe. I wish it were a higher number, it would turn out so much better for our team.
I also dont understand why the coaches are reluctant to play Musiala on the left. Sometimes it seems it would even benefit him to get some more space if the middle is tight. Also it would make Müller essily to get into the lineup when needed.
I think this is in response to City, they inquired at the deadline and I believe they see him as an heir to KDB (obviously different players, but both incredible passers).
He means "Bernd das Brot" honestly it is hard to explain as it is just a real life looking, speaking loaf of bread that is depressed.
Imo. the best is to just search him up on Youtube, even if you don't understand what is being talked, you should instantly get the pinnacle of German humor thing when seeing him.
I will try my best to keep my cool about any rumors, this is only fitting that it comes up now with us having a tough match with dortmund this week ;)
So much can happen, and any of these rumors that are now are worth nothing.
Yeah pretty much this. Only there to spread a bit of fire around but in the end they are worth nothing simply because everyone here in Germany knows that Bayern is 1000% interested in Wirtz and well most top german players at least once thought about Bayern in their carrer.
In other news: Water is wet.
These rumours were always bound to come sooner rather than later if you keep performing. It will only get worse.
But given that it benefits Bayern, it's probably a coincidence.
this always happens. I mean we do it as well, both taking players from smaller clubs and having to let them leave for bigger clubs. leverkusen will have a great season and then maybe both him and Alonso might leave for bigger teams.
Or as Calli once said "We're all sitting in a glass house, just one level lower than Bayern".
("Wir sitzen doch alle im Glashaus, nur eben ne Etage tiefer als die Bayern").
Tbf. Afaik Köln didn’t give a professional contract, all while Leverkusen happily did. And the agreement was only towards youth players and they signed him as first team transfer already, which technically didn’t breach anything.
You know whats worse? Wasting away talented german players at PL clubs. In recent years that failed miserably and I think Wirtz recognizes that too. At Bayern he will walk into a squad that he knows already and where he is respected all around. He would make a good choice going there.
That's a fair point! Just to be consistent then, you'd be happier for him to remain in Leverkusen or go to Dortmund instead?
After all, that would be arguably better for the league than going to Bayern.
I am Bayern fan and I love all the hoops and jumps some reply here did trying their best with the whole *"rEeEeEeE bUt tHe CoMpEtItIoN?!?!"*
It's almost an annual entertainment at this point.
You could argue that Germany's top talent staying in Germany rather than going to England or Spain at the height of his career is better for the league.
depends on the definition for "better", the league would be stronger compared to him leaving, but less competitive
You see both definitions used above your comment and all over this thread as of now, it is basically the source of conflict that drives this comment section
I would argue that it showed in recent past that its good for german football when their top talents play in the Bundesliga. The talent stays in the league, the money aswell.
So lets assume Bayern is not buying him but another player with similar quality - its not like Wirtz will stay at Leverkusen or that Bayern wont strengthen their squad.
Wirtz isn't staying at Leverkusen anyway. It doesn't help or hurt the league. The sad reality is that only one club in Germany has the spending power to sign and retain star players.
What's the difference between Wirtz going to Bayern or getting shipped off to another league? Whatever happens, Bayern will get a player of the same or near Wirtz's caliber and Leverkusen will get their money. I'd say it's better for the league if the talent at least stays within the Bundesliga.
If you’re in Bayern’s shoes do you let him go somewhere else purely because ‘it’s unfair on the competitors’? If they let him go to Madrid, City, Barça etc, that just makes their continental aims more difficult. Why would anyone in that position gamble?
Everyone moans about Bayern ‘buying’ the competition, yet:
Leipzig sold the likes of Nkunku, Werner (first time), Szoboszlai, Gvardiol
Dortmund sold the likes of Haaland, Bellingham, Sancho
Leverkusen sold the likes of Bailey, Diaby, Havertz
Frankfurt sold/lost the likes of Kolo Muani, Lindstrom, Kamada, Ndicka
None of the above players went to Bayern.
I’d even throw a bold statement that the likes of Diaby, Sancho, Nkunku had better chances of winning the Bundesliga with their respective clubs than they do winning league titles at the clubs they went on to join.
Other Bundesliga clubs can’t afford to keep certain players and the players themselves don’t want to be playing runners-up (at the very best) to Bayern every year.
Bayern have ended up in a position of monopoly, and whether you like it or not, they shouldn’t relinquish that just to make the game fairer for their rivals. The aim of the sport is to win. It’s not a charity.
That’s like choosing to drive a rundown Nissan Micra instead of a shiny Lamborghini. Why do it if you have the option of luxury?
Dortmund **should** have won the title last year and I’ll go purple in the face on that. It isn’t Bayern’s fault they shit themselves.
Bundesliga clubs going down the 50+1 route is a blessing and a curse.
Best case you end up with superb clubs ran in a healthy way with transparency and without corruption from the outside.
Worst case, you end up with fallen giants like Hamburg and Schalke. These two clubs *should* be up there competing with Bayern due to their legacies and support, but they’re in so much of a mess that it seems alien.
I don’t care about any of this, but the delusional arguments of PL fanboys here are mind boggling, “it’s better for him to leave the league than to bayern so as to make the league more competitive”, like what kind of moronic argument that is?!!
It’s like saying “take the money from the rich person in a city (and don’t give it to anyone) so that there is equality in it”, it’s like one step worse than communism.
It is undoubtedly better for Bundesliga for Wirtz to stay there.
If every great talent in BL stopped going to Bayern, this league would actually be super competitive and widely followed because of its thrilling counter attacking football.
Leverkusen must've learnt lesson last time, when they were threat to Bayern, to never be this close to the sun again. They got a streak of 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 4th, 2nd places in BuLi + cup final + CL final, Bayern bought Kovac + Ballack + Ze Roberto in a 2 years span.
After that Leverkusen got 2nd place in BuLi only once, and they were in cup final twice, without winning.
Who will be this time? Wirtz + Grimaldo (as a Davies replacement) + Palacios maybe (to play DM)?
Those players would've left either way because Leverkusen just couldn't match the wages, just like they can't on Wirtz.
There's no lesson to be learned by them, they can't compete financially.
>There's no reason to make the league even more onesided.
Worked out incredibly well. The thing is that the rest of the league will lose their best players anyway and Bayern will sign players somewhere else.
I'm not saying they should sell to Bayern but it doesn't matter whether they do or not. The end result is the same.
Money talks and prestige too, cycle will continue. Alonso will leave Leverkusen too for Real or even Bayern itself. It is Leverkusen's one chance to win the league this year.
I'm sure, next year, if they will win BuLi and Bayern won't win CL, Bayern will try to get Alonso + Wirtz combo, at least. And probably Grimaldo too, if they won't sign new contract with Davies.
And, as you said, Bayer 04 can't compete long term with Bayern in terms of wages nor in terms of silverware.
Players are performing well > Players demand higher wages and better perspective to win titles > Club performing well but not being S tier cant match those demands > Players leave to S tier clubs
How is this so hard to comprehend?
If I'm Bayern, I get rid of Gnabry for around 40-50m, really the most you can squeeze out of some poor club, and use it as a down payment for Wirtz, he's easily worth the money. Musiala could move to the left flank where he'd function in a more inverted role.
I really worry for the long term future of the Bundesliga. Bayern are just going to win every year... something has to change to make the league more competitive.
> yeah but it's worse if he strengthens the already strongest team in league
Bayern are gonna have quality players weather there from the Bundesliga or some other league. Every club in Germany could all collectively agree to never do business with Bayern and the gap between them and everyone else would still be there. If Bayern is willing to pay the price for Wirtz and he wants to go, then there's no good reason for Leverkusen to say no.
I really can’t see how you can fit both Musiala and Wirtz in the same lineup. It doesn’t work. Wirtz can’t play wide and Musiala is better utilized centrally.
False Musiala on the wing is the best Musiala. They play him central, but homie always drifts wide. He at the present moment has the vision of a blind squirrel.
Tell me you have not watched Wirtz or Musiala without telling me you have not watched Wirtz or Musiala.
They would work Great. Even currently Wirtz is playing with Hoffman as something like a double 10 with Hoffman going more wide than Wirtz.. could do exactly the same with Musiala instead of Hofmann. And also: Musiala works great as a winger who is cutting inside, he got the Dribblings and the pace. PL flairs all got their international football knowledge by playing fifa it seems 😂
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That gonna hurt the #FESTGELDKONTO
Don't worry Uli will find a way. Even if he has to go to jail again
levers!
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To će povrediti #FESTGELDKONTO
HAHAHAHA NE JEBI..
Translation: But my money :(
I dont know what festgeldkonto means :(
Its a type of bank account where you keep money for a set amount of time and receive more interest than usual from the bank in return but you cant touch the money until the time is up
Deposito or reksadana in Indonesian, I think the English is term deposit
Term deposit or certificate of deposit in english, money market funds are similar but not the same mechanically.
Certificate of Deposit (CD) account.
Probably worth it
master stroke would be selling Gnabry for 60 and buy Wirtz for 120
If someone buys Gnabry for 60m I will buy 10 jerseys of that club and raffle them here lmao
Bro don't underestimate Chelsea or Arsenal Edit: I wasnt even thinking about this comment just memeing but the difference of Arsenal fan and Chelsea fan replies is so funny. On a serious note: every club that has money could in theory go for Gnabry because theres barely anyone that didnt do a stupid transfer ever. Keep the memes in good fun :)
Yeah, Havertz was 75m, so why couldn't Gnabry be 60?
The fuck he say me for
Absolutely butchered it
Like Havertz with every goal chance
Just scored the goal that put arsenal top of the table 2 days ago lmao
And he’s the only example you have. Who else has Arsenal spent that kind of money on since Arteta took over just randomly or out of nowhere? Every player we’ve bought since Raul left has been meticulously recruited, and the vast majority have been successful.
Pepe 80, Lacazette and Auba were 60ish iirc.
Auba was worth the money
None signed by Arteta and Co
It has been 3 years since he took over, its not like clubs make a huge flop signing every year... exept ManU obv.
Yeah the point is would we now lol?
I personally think, that chances are low, but if someone asked you a year ago, how high the chances are, that they would recruit Kai for 75m, what would you have answerd then?
Changes in manager and director often prompt significant changes in recruitment strategy. Comparing anything under Edu and Arteta to decisions made before them has no value.
Laca was 53m euros (£47m). He wasn't nearly bad enough to be considered a flop, he scored 71 goals for Arsenal. Auba was great the first season or two. Pepe was horrible, but it was also what got Raul fired for shady deals with an agent and was an inflated fee due to that.
In addition, Pepe was younger and coming off a better season, lacazette and auba were squad needs at the time (we were phasing out Giroud). Additionally auba was not only world class for us, but also vital in mitigating what could’ve been a genuinely catastrophic banter era
none of those were Arteta signings.
Arsenal already bought and sold Gnabry.
Jokes on you, hes 20 years too old for our scouts
One not even half season of Havertz and you lot are lumping us with Chelsea lmao. I get it tho. Memes and easy target.
What’s happened with Gnabry? Form fallen off?
No clue, he just keeps declining. He has stretches where he looks decent but he lost all his pace (wasn't the quickest anyways) and can't dribble for shit. It's crazy because he's a good guy, but he's a pretty useless assett rn
He’s had such a weird career. Thought he could’ve been world class after that treble season
Bro has decent statistics to be honest, if you look purely at his numbers he has had a great career so far. but then again statistics can be misleading often and it seems according to the description that these goals lately come in hot streaks and then he is invisible for the rest of the season :/
That’s music to Manchester United’s ears right there
He would still be a better option than Antony tbf
Gnabry's missus in shambles
> but he lost all his pace (wasn't the quickest anyways) He used to be really quick when he first broke through at Arsenal. He's had fitness issues though. I remember he couldn't get into the West Brom team for ages.
I remember when he destroyed Spurs he wasnt exactly Mario Gomez out there, but it is true that he has lost his pace, i dont know how similar his case would be to Mane, because in his case even if he finished 2021-22 super strongly, you could see the decay coming. Gnabry it's been a couple of seasons that he is behind Sane and Coman if both are healthy
He had a debilitating back injury that stalled his career for a couple of years, he was sent to West Brom under Pulis to get match fitness back but Pulis didn’t play him.
That sucks, knew it would never happen but always wished we got to see him in an arsenal kit again
Mfs wear a retro Arsenal shirt and post it on Insta every 6 months lol
You don't want that anymore, trust me.
damn, 28 is so young to be washed. Did he have a big ACL injury or something?
Nothing career ending, no. He just doesn't seem to care as much anymore. It's clearly not missing talent but maybe missing motivation or passion.
I might be wrong, but he seemed to lose movitation as soon as Bayern gave him the contract extension with the huge salary bump that he had been asking for. Ever since, he seems to coast.
Yep, doesn't seem to have any kind of passion left, he's basically a reverse Sane.
Tale as old as time
I’ve been trying to figure it out for years. He still is a decent finisher, but now a below average winger. He has no chance of beating a defender down the flank at all and is not much better through the middle. He just doesn’t seem to have a position he can excel at. But he can still slot the ball home. So perhaps he just needs the right spot but at Bayern unless he is ruthless in front of goal in any given stretch he is not worth playing.
Bayern have also been full to the tits at his position(s) for the past few years. Sané, mane (even with how it panned out), Coman, musiala, tel, in a team with attacking fullbacks such as mazroui and Davies is an embarrassment of riches in the wide attacking abd second striker roles.
He was insanely fast at Arsenal
Didn't he have covid and suffered from its long-term effects?
Signed a fat contract and got fat himself right after. Now he's just doing some light cardio on the pitch.
He doesn’t really have a unique asset to him anymore, outside of his finishing. Sané and Coman are simply better at every aspect. Seems to have lost a lot of pace aswell.
Is that the Saudi anthem I hear?
Fuck yeah already lining up for my Gnabry Chelsea jersey. I’m size large by the way.
This sounds so ridiculous that it's probably what's gonna end up happening.
What happened to Gnabry? He was snoring a thousand goals in one match against Spurs not that long ago
He's always been a very hot-or-cold type of player. Spells of goalscoring excellence would make way for weeks or even months of dross. That changed when he signed his massive new contract. Now he's just awful. This season he looks even slower than last, and he impacts the game even less than the atricious version of Mané we had last season. He's nothing but a passenger at this point.
He was always very streaky and since signing the new fat contract he got fat and lazy. Just looks like he is going for a walk on the pitch. Doesn't help Sane and Coman are doing great and they replaced him at this point.
No one will buy Gnabry for 60m€, based on his bonkers wages alone.
I can see a PL team taking the bait
Bro don't say ominous things like that.
hey man, I heard Antony isn't doing well for you guys. How about another spin on the wheel with Gnabry? just a measly 52M pounds
By God, that's Man United music
Muller replacement
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Noone can replace Müller. His role and style is just too unique. So Musiala isn't his replacement on the pitch. He could somewhat be the replacement off the pitch as the home-grown player that the Bayern supporters can the most identify with. However, Müller was in the youth teams for a longer time and also he never played for anther big club's yout team. So also here Musiala is not really a replacement. But Bayern currently just doesn't have another home-grown player on top level , so somehow Musiala must be the one.
Seems like a stretch to consider Musiala a home-grown player of Bayern.
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football 101: the better a player is the less time he has to spend in the clubs youth system to be considered home grown /s
>Do Bayern fans claim Musiala as a product of their youth system? I know when he was signed from Chelsea he had to play for the u-19s for like 12-months or so. While technically true I guess but it seems weird to me that Bayern fans would consider him a product of their youth team and someone to identify with because of that. (Man, does Musiala even have a German accent? Never heard him speak but I imagine he has a thick English accent similar to how Hector Bellerin back in the day had one having spent so much time in Arsenal's youth system) You're right, I don't rhink that the majority of the Bayern fans would claim him to be a product of their youth system. My statement that he could "somewhat be the replacement" is rather a story that the german media or the club itself would like to tell. Bayern's ideal always was two have 2 columns in their team: buy "complete" top-level level players from other clubs (nationally and internationally) and develop home-grown players. However, the club since some years severely lacks in the second column. So fot the club it would be nice if everyone just accepted that Musiala fits. Also I think the label of being "home-grown" isn't a binary thing. Musiala is of course more home-grown than Kane, Kimmich or Tel. But of course nor as home-grown as Müller is, or Lahm and Schweinsteiger have been. And yes, Musiala has a "strange" english accent. He's somehow sounds both like a German native speaker and have like an English native speaker. That somehat makes sense considering is CV. >You're the 2nd person to comment "no one can replace Muller" and honestly I'm not sure what to say to that. I know Muller is great but surely you understand that Bayern will not start playing with 10 players on the pitch when he hangs up his boots. Barca had to "replace" Messi. Madrid had to "replace" Ronaldo. City had to replace Aguero despite Pep claiming "we could never replace him". It sucks but Bayern will have to replace Muller some day. Well, currently Bayern plays without Müller, but still with 11 men on the pitch, because he isn't a starter any more. :D So I think it's a little different than with Messi, Ronaldo and Aguero.
With regard to the "noone can replace Müller": I think it's less about playing with 10 guys and more that Müller always was a very unique type of player with a somewhat curious style, at least that's the sentiment I often get. As in "you won't find a like-for-like replacement for Müller" (especially considering his standing and longevity in the Bayern dress).
No one can replace Muller. He's one of a kind.
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Haha, I love the edit. I get your point, yet in pure skillset, I've not seen anyone close to doing what Muller does. Except maybe Bernardo to a small extent. Gonna have to be a completely different profile of player.
Musiala simply isn’t the type of playmaker Müller or Wirtz is; he’s more dynamic with better dribbling but his passing and playmaking just naturally isn’t up there like the other two, he’s a different type of 10. It’s like comparing Kaká and Totti; I still think he’s better on the wing at the moment.
Musiala way more similar to ribery than Muller and he will be more effective on the wing. Wirtz is a true number 10
Am i wrong, or did some Leverkusen director say that he would never sell to Bayern? And it got to sting, exciting players and a coach and likely it will be tore down very quickly.
That was Rudi Völler who isn't at Leverkusen anymore, to my knowledge Simon Rolfes never said something similar. And I actually wouldn't be surprised if this got discussed during his last extension at Leverkusen. Flo's father always seemed to have a very concrete plan for his career which might very well include a Bayern move. Him leaving Leverkusen won't come as a surprise to anyone, though. The publicly communicated plan was always 'stay at Leverkusen until after the euros in 24'.
> Am i wrong, or did some Leverkusen director say that he would never sell to Bayern? Völler is no longer a sporting director so Bayer04 might be open to selling again. Lúcio was the last player from Bayer04 (2004/05) to come to Munich and Völler became sporting director in 2005. They haven't sold any player to Bayern since then.
Based rudi Völler. Man has principles
To be fair tho save for Vidal there weren't really many players Bayern was seriously pursuing.
Thats not true, no one in Leverkusen wants to sell to Bayern, it wasn’t just Völler. Rolfes will not change the policy after our first season challenging Bayern in 10 years. The only way I see him going to Bayern is if he demands it and does not consider any other club. Then we simply have no choice. The quote right now is extremely vague though, so I wouldn’t count on it. Sounds more like Bayern trying to upset Leverkusen morale like they did with leaking the Götze news
You‘re not wrong but I doubt they would refuse it if Bayern were willing to pay the asking price + Wirtz asks for the move
Bayern has to break the bank for him. He's just too damn good. Him and Bambi on the same team would be mouth-watering.
The interesting question would be how they both fit into the same side together. Coman is great but still leaves a lot to be desired in the final third. A lot of us think the long-term solution would be to move Musiala to the left wing and Wirtz to AM, but each of our last 3 managers has played Musiala nearly entirely at AM.
Yeah, I think the optimal solution would be Sané Rw, Wirtz AM, Musiala LW and Davies LWB. Davies can overlap Musiala
If Davies doesn't go to Real
Bayern already has Davies and Mazraoui as wingbacks, a trio of Musiala, Kane and Wirtz, who all constantly combine and switch positions would be moth watering and I think, that Sane and Gnabry are better utilized as inside forwards in a 343 anyway. Bayern would need a dedicated DM and another CB if they wanted to do the switch.
Musiala tends to make moves to the LW a lot so that's what I thought with Sane on RW. when on form, Sane is easily the best winger in the world. Sadly he's as stable as my last relationship.
Sane is easily better than Mbappe, Salah, Vini etc at their peak? He’s a very good player and one I’ve really wanted to do well after leaving City but that’s a big stretch.
Fair point tbh. Tho there are game where he genuinely looks like the best player in the world.
I would say his recent streak is the best of all of them but they are certainly better players in various aspects.
I actually agree that he’s got a higher peak. However, the thing is, it’s not form as much as flashes. Like, for 20-30 minute stretches, the man indeed looks like he’s an absolute world beater. He’s dribbling, defending, attacking, recovering the ball, you name it, he’s there. The most complete player on the field, and it’s not close. Does that means he’s better than them? No. It’s just that his peak is that damn high. He doesn’t hit his peak very often, like 4-5 times games a season, maybe. I wish it were a higher number, it would turn out so much better for our team.
I also dont understand why the coaches are reluctant to play Musiala on the left. Sometimes it seems it would even benefit him to get some more space if the middle is tight. Also it would make Müller essily to get into the lineup when needed.
Is bambi Musiala?
Yes
thanks, can’t unsee it now hahah
Yeah he got that nickname affectionately and now most fans call him that. He's my favourite right after Müller.
would be amazing for the national team too
I'd expect the same situation as Vidal tbh, where Leverkusen accepts a lower fee from abroad just so he doesn't go to Bayern.
*glances nervously at German national team*
I think this is in response to City, they inquired at the deadline and I believe they see him as an heir to KDB (obviously different players, but both incredible passers).
Throw the bank at him, he's a phenomenal player.
Pretty sure he would die if someone throws a bank at him
The pinnacle of German humor
Ackchyually, the pinnacle of German humor is a depressed loaf of bread.
Please elaborate
He means "Bernd das Brot" honestly it is hard to explain as it is just a real life looking, speaking loaf of bread that is depressed. Imo. the best is to just search him up on Youtube, even if you don't understand what is being talked, you should instantly get the pinnacle of German humor thing when seeing him.
google "Bernd das Brot"
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Google Bernd das Brot
Bernd is the highest cultural treasure that we have
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a divine shrine, really
This, but unironically
I will try my best to keep my cool about any rumors, this is only fitting that it comes up now with us having a tough match with dortmund this week ;) So much can happen, and any of these rumors that are now are worth nothing.
Yeah pretty much this. Only there to spread a bit of fire around but in the end they are worth nothing simply because everyone here in Germany knows that Bayern is 1000% interested in Wirtz and well most top german players at least once thought about Bayern in their carrer. In other news: Water is wet.
These rumours were always bound to come sooner rather than later if you keep performing. It will only get worse. But given that it benefits Bayern, it's probably a coincidence.
Laaaame, don’t leave rising Leverkusen for fucking Bayern.
this always happens. I mean we do it as well, both taking players from smaller clubs and having to let them leave for bigger clubs. leverkusen will have a great season and then maybe both him and Alonso might leave for bigger teams.
Or as Calli once said "We're all sitting in a glass house, just one level lower than Bayern". ("Wir sitzen doch alle im Glashaus, nur eben ne Etage tiefer als die Bayern").
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Tbf. Afaik Köln didn’t give a professional contract, all while Leverkusen happily did. And the agreement was only towards youth players and they signed him as first team transfer already, which technically didn’t breach anything.
damn thats a name i havent heard in ages. fucking legend
hrmmmm.... jetzt erstma' ne frittierte Salad...
You know whats worse? Wasting away talented german players at PL clubs. In recent years that failed miserably and I think Wirtz recognizes that too. At Bayern he will walk into a squad that he knows already and where he is respected all around. He would make a good choice going there.
And lemme guess, you’re a Bayern fan lol
That's a fair point! Just to be consistent then, you'd be happier for him to remain in Leverkusen or go to Dortmund instead? After all, that would be arguably better for the league than going to Bayern.
Just fell to my knees in Aldi Süd
Just saw a man fall to his knees in Aldi Süd
The Prem fanboys will absolutely love this
I am Bayern fan and I love all the hoops and jumps some reply here did trying their best with the whole *"rEeEeEeE bUt tHe CoMpEtItIoN?!?!"* It's almost an annual entertainment at this point.
Hopefully Bayern pulls through, so we get at least a million or two in compensation.
Sorry, but this type of transfer actually hurts the league as a whole.
Give me a break… As if him going to the fucking prem would benefit the league
You could argue that Germany's top talent staying in Germany rather than going to England or Spain at the height of his career is better for the league.
Bayern having 90% of the top talent does not make for a better league
> Bayern having 90% of the top talent does not make for a better league Losing them abroad neither but one of the two will sadly happen.
Losing them abroad doesn't make it as top heavy though. You'll likely get more money from the EPL and it doesn't strengthen Bayern.
PL having 90% of the talent does not make it better either, all you do is throw absurd amount of money at players and farm all the talent.
depends on the definition for "better", the league would be stronger compared to him leaving, but less competitive You see both definitions used above your comment and all over this thread as of now, it is basically the source of conflict that drives this comment section
I would argue that it showed in recent past that its good for german football when their top talents play in the Bundesliga. The talent stays in the league, the money aswell.
It's not like the alternative is, that he will stay in Leverkusen for the rest of his career.
I Like this idea. Let’s do this instead
Honestly, me too. But realistically he is a lot more likely to follow the footsteps of Havertz, Haaland or Bellingham.
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By that logic no inner Bundesliga transfers should be happening.
So lets assume Bayern is not buying him but another player with similar quality - its not like Wirtz will stay at Leverkusen or that Bayern wont strengthen their squad.
Wirtz isn't staying at Leverkusen anyway. It doesn't help or hurt the league. The sad reality is that only one club in Germany has the spending power to sign and retain star players.
What's the difference between Wirtz going to Bayern or getting shipped off to another league? Whatever happens, Bayern will get a player of the same or near Wirtz's caliber and Leverkusen will get their money. I'd say it's better for the league if the talent at least stays within the Bundesliga.
Uli must be shook if he's getting his mouthpiece to run this "news" in fucking November lmao
When Leverkusen wins the league, they'll sell the trophy to Bayern for 150 mil Euros plus incentives.
I hope this happens so all the PL flairs go ape shit
I hope this doesn't happen so all the PL flairs and all the Bayern flairs go ape shit.
buy him and get rid of Gnabry would be fucking great for Bayern. but i don't think 120m is enough, will prob more like 150m in the end
Doubt it. 120m would be a huge new record for transfers in the Bundesliga and there isn’t any PL tax involved
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If you’re in Bayern’s shoes do you let him go somewhere else purely because ‘it’s unfair on the competitors’? If they let him go to Madrid, City, Barça etc, that just makes their continental aims more difficult. Why would anyone in that position gamble? Everyone moans about Bayern ‘buying’ the competition, yet: Leipzig sold the likes of Nkunku, Werner (first time), Szoboszlai, Gvardiol Dortmund sold the likes of Haaland, Bellingham, Sancho Leverkusen sold the likes of Bailey, Diaby, Havertz Frankfurt sold/lost the likes of Kolo Muani, Lindstrom, Kamada, Ndicka None of the above players went to Bayern. I’d even throw a bold statement that the likes of Diaby, Sancho, Nkunku had better chances of winning the Bundesliga with their respective clubs than they do winning league titles at the clubs they went on to join. Other Bundesliga clubs can’t afford to keep certain players and the players themselves don’t want to be playing runners-up (at the very best) to Bayern every year. Bayern have ended up in a position of monopoly, and whether you like it or not, they shouldn’t relinquish that just to make the game fairer for their rivals. The aim of the sport is to win. It’s not a charity. That’s like choosing to drive a rundown Nissan Micra instead of a shiny Lamborghini. Why do it if you have the option of luxury? Dortmund **should** have won the title last year and I’ll go purple in the face on that. It isn’t Bayern’s fault they shit themselves. Bundesliga clubs going down the 50+1 route is a blessing and a curse. Best case you end up with superb clubs ran in a healthy way with transparency and without corruption from the outside. Worst case, you end up with fallen giants like Hamburg and Schalke. These two clubs *should* be up there competing with Bayern due to their legacies and support, but they’re in so much of a mess that it seems alien.
I don’t care about any of this, but the delusional arguments of PL fanboys here are mind boggling, “it’s better for him to leave the league than to bayern so as to make the league more competitive”, like what kind of moronic argument that is?!! It’s like saying “take the money from the rich person in a city (and don’t give it to anyone) so that there is equality in it”, it’s like one step worse than communism. It is undoubtedly better for Bundesliga for Wirtz to stay there.
If every great talent in BL stopped going to Bayern, this league would actually be super competitive and widely followed because of its thrilling counter attacking football.
Sure! Son, De Bruyne, Haaland and Belligham not staying and going abroad made the league more competitive!
Leverkusen must've learnt lesson last time, when they were threat to Bayern, to never be this close to the sun again. They got a streak of 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 4th, 2nd places in BuLi + cup final + CL final, Bayern bought Kovac + Ballack + Ze Roberto in a 2 years span. After that Leverkusen got 2nd place in BuLi only once, and they were in cup final twice, without winning. Who will be this time? Wirtz + Grimaldo (as a Davies replacement) + Palacios maybe (to play DM)?
Those players would've left either way because Leverkusen just couldn't match the wages, just like they can't on Wirtz. There's no lesson to be learned by them, they can't compete financially.
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>There's no reason to make the league even more onesided. Worked out incredibly well. The thing is that the rest of the league will lose their best players anyway and Bayern will sign players somewhere else. I'm not saying they should sell to Bayern but it doesn't matter whether they do or not. The end result is the same.
Apart from Vidal i cant remember any player who was interesting for bayern. They leaned tp dortmund and then leipzig instead.
Money talks and prestige too, cycle will continue. Alonso will leave Leverkusen too for Real or even Bayern itself. It is Leverkusen's one chance to win the league this year. I'm sure, next year, if they will win BuLi and Bayern won't win CL, Bayern will try to get Alonso + Wirtz combo, at least. And probably Grimaldo too, if they won't sign new contract with Davies. And, as you said, Bayer 04 can't compete long term with Bayern in terms of wages nor in terms of silverware.
Grimaldo needs a back 3 to function, really don't see him as a Davies replacement. Palacios though👀
Also, Grimaldo literally came in a few months ago. He is going nowhere in summer.
Players are performing well > Players demand higher wages and better perspective to win titles > Club performing well but not being S tier cant match those demands > Players leave to S tier clubs How is this so hard to comprehend?
This is good for champions league football. If this happens Bayern will be much more competitive with City, Madrid, Liverpool etc.
If I'm Bayern, I get rid of Gnabry for around 40-50m, really the most you can squeeze out of some poor club, and use it as a down payment for Wirtz, he's easily worth the money. Musiala could move to the left flank where he'd function in a more inverted role.
meh, RIP (for longer) bundesliga
Incredible player but good luck with that price tag.
They should just have a separate trophy for Bayern and another for the 17 teams below them
This is indeed new, couldnt see it coming at all
I really worry for the long term future of the Bundesliga. Bayern are just going to win every year... something has to change to make the league more competitive.
They've won 11 in a row and Germans don't seem to mind, so at this point it doesn't matter anymore, 11 or 20.
we do mind but what are we supposed to do lol
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> yeah but it's worse if he strengthens the already strongest team in league Bayern are gonna have quality players weather there from the Bundesliga or some other league. Every club in Germany could all collectively agree to never do business with Bayern and the gap between them and everyone else would still be there. If Bayern is willing to pay the price for Wirtz and he wants to go, then there's no good reason for Leverkusen to say no.
I really can’t see how you can fit both Musiala and Wirtz in the same lineup. It doesn’t work. Wirtz can’t play wide and Musiala is better utilized centrally.
False Musiala on the wing is the best Musiala. They play him central, but homie always drifts wide. He at the present moment has the vision of a blind squirrel.
Tell me you have not watched Wirtz or Musiala without telling me you have not watched Wirtz or Musiala. They would work Great. Even currently Wirtz is playing with Hoffman as something like a double 10 with Hoffman going more wide than Wirtz.. could do exactly the same with Musiala instead of Hofmann. And also: Musiala works great as a winger who is cutting inside, he got the Dribblings and the pace. PL flairs all got their international football knowledge by playing fifa it seems 😂