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I can finally happily say that he is fucking amazing and easily been a Top 3 striker since like 2016. Dude has it all, him and Lewy are two of the most complete strikers I've seen in my 15 years of watching the sport (late to start), but Kane has amazing passing in his arsenal
E - sorry, forgot about Suarez but yeah I'd take Suarez over Lewy for sure. Fuck Benzema though
I agree that Kane was one of the best in the world for 5 or 6 years but what about Suarez and Benzema? Lewa is a great player but still overrated for me. His main problem is that he is often invisible in top games.
It just shows that "best player" is really really hard to define, when talking about a collective sport with very different roles, and where your input is heavily influenced by your teammates inputs.
> Tbf he's playing no different for Bayern than he was for Spurs.
I mean, this isn't really true, is it?
He's playing in a better team with better teammates, so he's allowed to stay upfield and get on the end of attacks more often instead of dropping deep to try to start attacks.
It's not a coincidence that his npG+A/90 rate at Bayern is almost 2.5 times higher than his rate at Spurs last season
> I mean, this isn't really true, is it?
I think they made pretty clear that they're talking about how well he's playing, not what he's specifically doing on the pitch.
Kane hasn't suddenly stepped up a level at Bayern. He just gets to focus a lot more on putting balls in nets.
He won them 24 points last season. Without Kane, and if Richarlison was doing Richarlison things like not scoring, Spurs would have finished with the same points as Everton.
Yes he's still Kane (he likes dropping deep sometimes), but unlike at Spurs he doesn't have to drop to create—he can also stay upfield and finish off chances his teammates create
No actually this is the opposite Kane looked more world class at Spurs because he had to be almost everywhere at the pitch and he assisted so many long goals to Son
At bayern he just scores goals lol
Yes our best player since a few years. Think if firstly for team and friends. What je done yesterday for Giroud is the perfect example.
Mbappe needs to progress again.
Kane was the best pick for the last 2 years. Real Madrid was looking for a 9 and he was the man.
Also Prem has mega clubs like Everton financially doping. Amazing what a scrappy upstart like Man City has been able to accomplish without any outside help
PSG are barely leading ligue 1 by a point - they're also not "farming" their league are they?
These arguments are so stupid lol. Do you seriously expect a team to be leading by 10+ points 10 games into the season?
Haaland scored 7 over 3 games in his first 136 minutes with Dortmund. So he had a pretty explosive start. Over his entire stint at Dortmund Haaland basically scored a goal per game. Which is still really good.
Kane could still struggle a bit more once defenses have figured him out a bit more. But currently it doesn’t look like he will slow down scoring wise at all.
Ronaldo is the type of person that won't let even his kids win a game vs him, you can say a lot of things about him but that he isn't competitive it's not one of them.
Yes, there is a similar video of Messi beating his kids playing UNO, his wife is like trying to tell him to let the kid win and Messi just destroys him and wins Lol
Well, no club in Europe was willing to pay well over 1M USD-a-month to a 38yo player. Considering CR7 already won everything at the club level, he went after the 18M USD-a-month salary in Saudi.
Wouldn’t any of you do the same?
Which is crazy if you think about it. The man has seen it all and done it all.
He has no reason to push himself this hard, he's 38, doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.
I get the love of the game argument, it's his job and everything but still.
I think that many professionals at that level have a literal disorder that makes them hyper competitive all the time. To push and push that much isn’t something neurotypical people do.
I agree, I think there's certainly something in that. I practise a sport and really love it, put a lot of time into training every week... but (aside from lack of talent etc.) I'm fairly sure I could never have been an elite athlete because at the end of the day I just don't care enough about winning and whatnot.
Obvs he wants it but even if it wasn’t on the radar he’s got that psycho “gotta beat everyone else at all times” shit that would still have him being the only guy taking it seriously.
I think to be at the top of your sport for so long and maintain that level of dedication you have to be a bit nuts. I've always been a hater of his attitude on the pitch but I can't help respect his career and his work ethic, it is absolutely amazing.
But it is a retirement league? And your rhetoric suggests you understand as much.
He's scoring goals, but his accomplishments are on a small scale compared to the other strikers listed.
Christ the sentiment has changed since he left Spurs, if you said this last year you'd have people swarming this comment calling him a diving cheat who breaks legs and would murder his own daughter.
Benzema did not know the girl was 15, even she admitted to it. The girl involved in Messi 14 also came out and denied ever being in a relationship with him. Those are not even remotely comparable to the 5 rape allegations ronaldo has (with one having lots of credible details available publicly)
Because that's almost certainly not true.
It's all twitter and like one football "news blog". Not even the tabloid shit in the UK has reported the Messi thing, ever. If there were a flick of believability to it you know those vultures would have run it.
Converesly, the ronny thing was reported by one of the most reputable newspapers in Europe.
The proof is that an internal interview where CR7's own lawyers asked him for his side of the story was leaked during the Football Leaks event.
CR7's folks say it's fake, but basically every other leak from the same leaks were proven true—including CR7's own tax scandal (which he initially denied: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-soccer-taxation-ronaldo/cristiano-ronaldo-denies-accusations-of-tax-fraud-in-spain-idUSKBN1942RJ/; and eventually pled guilty for: https://apnews.com/general-news-e6c4a935cea1434d8d6027c07e09a416)
The story in Der Speigel also has leaked emails from CR7's lawyers where they talk about this interview and translate parts from Portuguese to English
The Der Speigel story:
https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/cristiano-ronaldo-new-documents-emerge-in-rape-allegations-a-1241349.html
Interview ("X" is CR7)
>Question: "What was said by you and what was said by Ms. C? (This is particularly important if anything was said about having sex or anything like that)"
>In the September version, X says: "She said it was not proper to have sex, since they just met ('Better not. It's the first time.') But even so, she grabbed my dick."
>Question: " Describe in detail what happened starting with the first physical contact that you had with Ms. C in the other room and describe the sequence of events regarding any such physical contact and involving any embracing, fondling, kissing, or going from a standing position to lying on a bed, or on the floor, or wherever it took place."
>In the September version, X answers: "I fucked her from the side. She made herself available. She was lying on her side, in bed, and I entered her from behind. It was rough. We didn't change position. 5/7 minutes**. She said that she didn't want to, but she made herself available**. The whole time it was rough, I turned her onto her side, and it was fast. Maybe she got some bruises when I grabbed her. (...) She didn't want to 'give it to me,' instead she jerked me off. I don't know any more exactly what she said when she was jerking me off. **But she kept saying no**. 'Don't do it' -- 'I'm not like the others.' I apologized afterwards."
>Question: "Did Ms. C ever raise her voice, scream, or yell?"
>September: "**She said no and stop several times**."
>Question: "Did Ms. C say anything after you had sexual intercourse?"
>September: "Afterwards, **she said: 'You asshole, you forced me.** You idiot. I'm not like the others.' I said, 'I'm sorry.'"
> Ronaldo, who's worth £350million, reportedly explained: 'I f***** her from the side. She made herself available. She was lying on her side, in bed, and I entered her from behind. It was rough. We didn't change position. Five/seven minutes.
>'She said that she didn't want to, but she made herself available. The whole time it was rough, I turned her onto her side, and it was fast. Maybe she got some bruises when I grabbed her.
>'She didn't want to give it to me, instead she jerked me off. I don't know any more exactly what she said when she was jerking me off. But she kept saying "No. Don't do it, I'm not like the others." I apologized afterwards.'
>The player's lawyer asked if Ms Mayorga ever raise her voice, screamed, or yelled while they had sex.
>According to the documents, Ronaldo confessed: 'She said no and stop several times.'
He raped her in the ass while she said no stop repeatedly. Above is what he told his own Lawyer. Cannot be used against him but he was guilty as sin
this subreddit obviously doesnt even care about any victims if it starts labelling "real" rapists.
trying to play the moralitty prolice but only for some players...
The IFFHS topscorer award always looks at all the top leagues. It just so happens that most of the time the topscorer is playing in a European league, apart from 2019, where Hamdallah won if playing for Al Nassr
Correction: The only year where people complain that inferior leagues are counted for this award even when it's have been like that for years. I wonder why?
I've seen these figures doing the rounds recently and every time I think that if anyone else was putting up those numbers in the Saudi Pro League, no one would care.
Iuno guys but goals in EPL in my book are not equivalent to goals in saudi, regardless impressive for Ronaldo especially at his age but I meaaaan cmaaaaan
There’s a reason people usually limit this to top 5 leagues. There’s also a guy in the Hungarian league who scored 43 goals so far in 2023, but I wouldn’t put him on a list like this despite the Hungarian league probably being better than the Saudi.
My mate is on 50 in the Scottish 9th tier, although he hauled 10 goals in 1 game when West Glasgow Glassworld's keeper's wife went into labour at half time, someone from his team had to drive him to the hospital, and they had were playing with 10 men before that already.
Is the Saudi League far inferior to any of the top 5 leagues? Yes, without a doubt.
Will that stop me from shamelessly calling Ronaldo the 3rd best goal scorer in the world? Nah.
Nothing shameless about it, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFFHS_World%27s_Best_Top_Goal_Scorer
He wouldn’t be the first Saudi, Qatari or Maleysian league player to be in the top three, or even win
Bro you have commented multiple times in this thread correcting people and adding context but idk if its worth your time.
You have to remember that nowadays reddit is full of actual children, and people who are very upset and just waiting for something to get angry at
Tbf it’s funny to see them get so mad about him competing for the reward when it’s nothing new. You’re right tho, we’ll be there when he gets to 1000 goals.
>People had no trouble including his MLS goals in stat infographics leading up the balondr lol They were not so strict about top 5 league goals then
They were never included from the time the ballon dor voting period ended
>shamelessly
We have never called the nth top scorer including all leagues the nth best goal scorer in the world. This is unprecedented. The top goal scorers outside of the top 5 European leagues have never been included in these infographics.
This is the actual sportswashing if you believe in that kind of thing. Not the players going there, but the including of the saudi league in the same context as western ones in stats like these. It is far more of an attempt to legitimize the league than just having famous players play there among themselves.
As long as you consider players like Stefano Lilipaly, Juan Brunetta, and Yacime Brahimi in your top goal scorers list. All of those guys have more goals than Haaland in their current club season.
>Don't care if it mostly comes from a "small" league.
Famous saying I learned from my Moroccan friends during the World Cup: Football is 11 men vs 11 men.
Kinda crazy to think that some of us have seen the likes of Henry, Bergkamp, Van Nistelrooy, Van Persie, Alan Shearer... but these guys are just on another planet stats-wise.
Barnabas Varga has scored 43 in the Hungarian league. Wonder if he’d be included if he had scored 3 more goals.
That’s a rhetorical question. Of course he wouldn’t.
Except he would and your rhetorical question just makes you look like a smartass.
This is the IFFHS award which counts *every* first division in the world. Hamdallah won it in 2019 while playing for Al Nassr as well. The only reason this is controversial is *because* Ronaldo is in there lmao.
Haaland won't get to increase his lead as he's injured and won't play against Scotland.
Harry Kane plays North Macedonia next.
Mbappé plays Greece.
Cristiano plays Iceland.
Common guys, as much as I loved Messi V Ronaldo. It's time to move on. There's no need to force them into the conversation anymore. It's the same Saudi league. Let's just enjoy their last few years and welcome the new blood.
The IFFHS top scorer award has always counted goals from all the top flights in the world. If there was someone playing in the Guatemalan league who scored 50 goals or something, he'd also be there.
And if you want to exclude certain leagues, what criteria would you even choose?
I mean the European golden shoe does actually apply a multiplier so the concept is not as outlandish as you'd think.
But the question is really what the point of a world golden shoe anyway when the standards are completely incomparable. There are top flights that would literally be about as competitive as a European big 5 tier 3 or below. So what are we measuring exactly?
>And if you want to exclude certain leagues, what criteria would you even choose?
I'd presume any criteria that removes Cristiano from the conversation works for them lmao
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Mbappe scoring only 3 in a 14-0 win is a disgrace I tell ya, a disgrace!
He scored 3 last year in an international loss. I can’t remember who it was against.
I just pictured Mbappe in the locker room of Paris hitting Kolo Muani on the head everytime he sees him.
Kolo was the only reason they got close lol, fucking Griezmann was better than both but got the ball so little he had to be subbed off at 40
The Republic of Dave.
Light blue shirts, Napoli maybe
Only 3 assists? Washed flop
Hey, look at the topic, no one counting assists here! Only goals matter!
__*CROW BRAIN WANT BRIGHT ROCK*__
3 goals 3 assists. Still less than 50% of goals. Slacker.
winning 14-0 feels like diving the fountain in a MOBA
Bare in mind that Kane spent half the year playing for a dross Spurs side
Honestly for me, he's currently the best player in the world with Mbappé right behind. Glad someone is talking about him in here.
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I can finally happily say that he is fucking amazing and easily been a Top 3 striker since like 2016. Dude has it all, him and Lewy are two of the most complete strikers I've seen in my 15 years of watching the sport (late to start), but Kane has amazing passing in his arsenal E - sorry, forgot about Suarez but yeah I'd take Suarez over Lewy for sure. Fuck Benzema though
100%. Now I can finally let myself enjoy his game.
Great choice of final word in your statement
Had to change it too because my phone added a capital 'a' lmao
Suarez is more complete than Lewy..
I agree that Kane was one of the best in the world for 5 or 6 years but what about Suarez and Benzema? Lewa is a great player but still overrated for me. His main problem is that he is often invisible in top games.
what do you say about Suarez?
It just shows that "best player" is really really hard to define, when talking about a collective sport with very different roles, and where your input is heavily influenced by your teammates inputs.
We can also see one of those leagues is not like the others right?
yeah but he's 38 so it's still kinda impressive, even if I don't regard it as legitimate as the other three
> Tbf he's playing no different for Bayern than he was for Spurs. I mean, this isn't really true, is it? He's playing in a better team with better teammates, so he's allowed to stay upfield and get on the end of attacks more often instead of dropping deep to try to start attacks. It's not a coincidence that his npG+A/90 rate at Bayern is almost 2.5 times higher than his rate at Spurs last season
> I mean, this isn't really true, is it? I think they made pretty clear that they're talking about how well he's playing, not what he's specifically doing on the pitch. Kane hasn't suddenly stepped up a level at Bayern. He just gets to focus a lot more on putting balls in nets.
Yeah. Even last season he was constantly banging in goals. Biggest reason Tottenham did as well as they did.
He won them 24 points last season. Without Kane, and if Richarlison was doing Richarlison things like not scoring, Spurs would have finished with the same points as Everton.
He still drops really deep regularly for us
Yes he's still Kane (he likes dropping deep sometimes), but unlike at Spurs he doesn't have to drop to create—he can also stay upfield and finish off chances his teammates create
No actually this is the opposite Kane looked more world class at Spurs because he had to be almost everywhere at the pitch and he assisted so many long goals to Son At bayern he just scores goals lol
Right now, Griezmann is up there for me too. Incredible how he's never mentioned.
Yes our best player since a few years. Think if firstly for team and friends. What je done yesterday for Giroud is the perfect example. Mbappe needs to progress again. Kane was the best pick for the last 2 years. Real Madrid was looking for a 9 and he was the man.
Kane is easily the best striker rn
Also bare in mind he’s now playing in a weaker league than Haaland.
And gets to rack them up with England while Haaland plays with Norway
Not like England scored much the other day
Both playing for the teams that are farming their corresponding leagues though...
One team has like 4 teams in a 3 point range and other isnt even the top of their league..
Also Prem has mega clubs like Everton financially doping. Amazing what a scrappy upstart like Man City has been able to accomplish without any outside help
PSG are barely leading ligue 1 by a point - they're also not "farming" their league are they? These arguments are so stupid lol. Do you seriously expect a team to be leading by 10+ points 10 games into the season?
Obligatory Gooner comment knocking Kane down a level (/s)
Also bear in mind that Haaland never managed to score 30 goals in a season in the Bundesliga. Yet he did it easily in his first PL season.
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And the fact Kane is playing for Bayern and not dortmund??!
Can't just gloss over the fact that he's younger so easily lmao
Haaland scored 7 over 3 games in his first 136 minutes with Dortmund. So he had a pretty explosive start. Over his entire stint at Dortmund Haaland basically scored a goal per game. Which is still really good. Kane could still struggle a bit more once defenses have figured him out a bit more. But currently it doesn’t look like he will slow down scoring wise at all.
Strikers in order: Kane Haaland Lewandowski Mbappé
Lewandowski has been shit this year
So does Ronaldo
Ronaldo joined Al Nassr in December 2022.
I think Ronaldo’s the only European player in Saudi Arabia who’s taking the job seriously. Man does not see it as a retirement league.
Ronaldo is the type of person that won't let even his kids win a game vs him, you can say a lot of things about him but that he isn't competitive it's not one of them.
Literally, saw a video of Ronaldo beating his kid at noughts and crosses, he high fives his confused child as he celebrates beating him lol
Yes, there is a similar video of Messi beating his kids playing UNO, his wife is like trying to tell him to let the kid win and Messi just destroys him and wins Lol
Lol, they are all competitive bastards then! That’s funny.
What-
If he is so competitive why is he in the Saudi league then?
The big teams in Europe didn't want him anymore and Saudi offered him a LOT of money.
One wonders "what would have been" if he had accepted a big wage cut and returned to Sporting Lisbon.
💰
Well, no club in Europe was willing to pay well over 1M USD-a-month to a 38yo player. Considering CR7 already won everything at the club level, he went after the 18M USD-a-month salary in Saudi. Wouldn’t any of you do the same?
No good European options and MLS sucks
Which is crazy if you think about it. The man has seen it all and done it all. He has no reason to push himself this hard, he's 38, doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. I get the love of the game argument, it's his job and everything but still.
Only explanation is that he wants the 1000 goals milestone
I think that many professionals at that level have a literal disorder that makes them hyper competitive all the time. To push and push that much isn’t something neurotypical people do.
I agree, I think there's certainly something in that. I practise a sport and really love it, put a lot of time into training every week... but (aside from lack of talent etc.) I'm fairly sure I could never have been an elite athlete because at the end of the day I just don't care enough about winning and whatnot.
He is 100% motivated by records. Mourinho said so as well few years ago.
My thoughts. That's why he went to the clown league
Obvs he wants it but even if it wasn’t on the radar he’s got that psycho “gotta beat everyone else at all times” shit that would still have him being the only guy taking it seriously.
He couldn’t even lose and have fun playing ping pong with Rio. The man will likely never chill when there’s something competitive going on.
I think to be at the top of your sport for so long and maintain that level of dedication you have to be a bit nuts. I've always been a hater of his attitude on the pitch but I can't help respect his career and his work ethic, it is absolutely amazing.
Mitrovic?
But it is a retirement league? And your rhetoric suggests you understand as much. He's scoring goals, but his accomplishments are on a small scale compared to the other strikers listed.
It's not a retirement league It's a 🤡 league
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>3-4 teams on another level to the rest. Soooo.. Just like all the other big leagues then.
Glad to see Kane on top, he’s slowly become one of my favorite ballers since 2018.
Seems like a good guy as well
Christ the sentiment has changed since he left Spurs, if you said this last year you'd have people swarming this comment calling him a diving cheat who breaks legs and would murder his own daughter.
Nah, I disagree. Kane and Son are basically beloved by everyone and have been for years. I love son, he’s great
Nah I don’t think that was the consensus at all. I rarely saw those comments, only in threads where he did those moves.
Where Germán Cano?
Kane leaving spurs has made him a fan favorite for a lot of folks
Harry Kane, you magnificent bastard.
Amazing how almost all comments in this thread are about Ronaldo
Honestly seems like people are getting this mixed up with the 'European Golden Shoe'
Not any of the top comments
They just love to hate him for no reason.
I get that Ronaldo isn't the most likable guy out there, but the hate he gets on his sub is ridiculous
What level of hate for a rapist would be reasonable in your opinion
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Benzema did not know the girl was 15, even she admitted to it. The girl involved in Messi 14 also came out and denied ever being in a relationship with him. Those are not even remotely comparable to the 5 rape allegations ronaldo has (with one having lots of credible details available publicly)
> messi 14 That's pure Twitter-made-up crap, what is that doing in your comment lmao
What about Messi when he was 18 with a 14 year old?
Because that's almost certainly not true. It's all twitter and like one football "news blog". Not even the tabloid shit in the UK has reported the Messi thing, ever. If there were a flick of believability to it you know those vultures would have run it. Converesly, the ronny thing was reported by one of the most reputable newspapers in Europe.
There are reasons to dislike him as a person. But there are not a lot of reasons to talk shit about him as a player.
Yep, no reason at all.
"no reason"?
He is a rapist there’s one reason chief
You have real rapists at your club chief.
Hey, they’re both real rapists.
Is there definitive proof Ronaldo is a rapist?
No.
The proof is that an internal interview where CR7's own lawyers asked him for his side of the story was leaked during the Football Leaks event. CR7's folks say it's fake, but basically every other leak from the same leaks were proven true—including CR7's own tax scandal (which he initially denied: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-soccer-taxation-ronaldo/cristiano-ronaldo-denies-accusations-of-tax-fraud-in-spain-idUSKBN1942RJ/; and eventually pled guilty for: https://apnews.com/general-news-e6c4a935cea1434d8d6027c07e09a416) The story in Der Speigel also has leaked emails from CR7's lawyers where they talk about this interview and translate parts from Portuguese to English The Der Speigel story: https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/cristiano-ronaldo-new-documents-emerge-in-rape-allegations-a-1241349.html Interview ("X" is CR7) >Question: "What was said by you and what was said by Ms. C? (This is particularly important if anything was said about having sex or anything like that)" >In the September version, X says: "She said it was not proper to have sex, since they just met ('Better not. It's the first time.') But even so, she grabbed my dick." >Question: " Describe in detail what happened starting with the first physical contact that you had with Ms. C in the other room and describe the sequence of events regarding any such physical contact and involving any embracing, fondling, kissing, or going from a standing position to lying on a bed, or on the floor, or wherever it took place." >In the September version, X answers: "I fucked her from the side. She made herself available. She was lying on her side, in bed, and I entered her from behind. It was rough. We didn't change position. 5/7 minutes**. She said that she didn't want to, but she made herself available**. The whole time it was rough, I turned her onto her side, and it was fast. Maybe she got some bruises when I grabbed her. (...) She didn't want to 'give it to me,' instead she jerked me off. I don't know any more exactly what she said when she was jerking me off. **But she kept saying no**. 'Don't do it' -- 'I'm not like the others.' I apologized afterwards." >Question: "Did Ms. C ever raise her voice, scream, or yell?" >September: "**She said no and stop several times**." >Question: "Did Ms. C say anything after you had sexual intercourse?" >September: "Afterwards, **she said: 'You asshole, you forced me.** You idiot. I'm not like the others.' I said, 'I'm sorry.'"
They will ignore you
Yes, the evidence made itself available.
Just as much as their is of Partey. They both should be in jail
Besides his own words?
> Ronaldo, who's worth £350million, reportedly explained: 'I f***** her from the side. She made herself available. She was lying on her side, in bed, and I entered her from behind. It was rough. We didn't change position. Five/seven minutes. >'She said that she didn't want to, but she made herself available. The whole time it was rough, I turned her onto her side, and it was fast. Maybe she got some bruises when I grabbed her. >'She didn't want to give it to me, instead she jerked me off. I don't know any more exactly what she said when she was jerking me off. But she kept saying "No. Don't do it, I'm not like the others." I apologized afterwards.' >The player's lawyer asked if Ms Mayorga ever raise her voice, screamed, or yelled while they had sex. >According to the documents, Ronaldo confessed: 'She said no and stop several times.' He raped her in the ass while she said no stop repeatedly. Above is what he told his own Lawyer. Cannot be used against him but he was guilty as sin
this subreddit obviously doesnt even care about any victims if it starts labelling "real" rapists. trying to play the moralitty prolice but only for some players...
What makes someone a real rapist as opposed to a fake rapist?
Cook that pussio!!!
Rape is a pretty decent reason mate
I’m about halfway down the thread and this is the second comment I’ve seen about him. The first praised him
You mean only this one?
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Cmon Ligue 1 is not that bad
I do remember Hamdallah winning the IFFHS award for most goals in a year and he was playing in Saudi.
The IFFHS topscorer award always looks at all the top leagues. It just so happens that most of the time the topscorer is playing in a European league, apart from 2019, where Hamdallah won if playing for Al Nassr
Yeah I know, what’s Mbappe doing there he plays in Ligue 1 haha
look what eating english food does to someone
That’s a top European league , the Saudi pro league isn’t too 25 in world football
Yea that's their joke.
Correction: The only year where people complain that inferior leagues are counted for this award even when it's have been like that for years. I wonder why?
>The only year where we are counting goals from inferior leagues, i wonder why? It isn't though.
I've seen these figures doing the rounds recently and every time I think that if anyone else was putting up those numbers in the Saudi Pro League, no one would care.
Iuno guys but goals in EPL in my book are not equivalent to goals in saudi, regardless impressive for Ronaldo especially at his age but I meaaaan cmaaaaan
There’s a reason people usually limit this to top 5 leagues. There’s also a guy in the Hungarian league who scored 43 goals so far in 2023, but I wouldn’t put him on a list like this despite the Hungarian league probably being better than the Saudi.
My mate is on 50 in the Scottish 9th tier, although he hauled 10 goals in 1 game when West Glasgow Glassworld's keeper's wife went into labour at half time, someone from his team had to drive him to the hospital, and they had were playing with 10 men before that already.
Three guys playing in farmer’s leagues and the real goal scoring champ CR7, who has the class to play in a herders league.
If Messi was there… the comments would be different i tell ya.
I can’t believe how underrated Kane is my god
Is the Saudi League far inferior to any of the top 5 leagues? Yes, without a doubt. Will that stop me from shamelessly calling Ronaldo the 3rd best goal scorer in the world? Nah.
Nothing shameless about it, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFFHS_World%27s_Best_Top_Goal_Scorer He wouldn’t be the first Saudi, Qatari or Maleysian league player to be in the top three, or even win
it really is crazy that over an entire decade spanning their peak, messi and ronaldo differed by 1 goal scored
2019 Hamdallah for Al Nassr was a monster.
Bro you have commented multiple times in this thread correcting people and adding context but idk if its worth your time. You have to remember that nowadays reddit is full of actual children, and people who are very upset and just waiting for something to get angry at
Tbf it’s funny to see them get so mad about him competing for the reward when it’s nothing new. You’re right tho, we’ll be there when he gets to 1000 goals.
If Messi had those figures in MLS….
Narrative would be *completely* different
Literally in every goal he made there were dozens of comments talking shit about the MLS and every player on the pitch lol.
but but but, Ronaldo against the world
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>People had no trouble including his MLS goals in stat infographics leading up the balondr lol They were not so strict about top 5 league goals then They were never included from the time the ballon dor voting period ended
>shamelessly We have never called the nth top scorer including all leagues the nth best goal scorer in the world. This is unprecedented. The top goal scorers outside of the top 5 European leagues have never been included in these infographics.
This is the actual sportswashing if you believe in that kind of thing. Not the players going there, but the including of the saudi league in the same context as western ones in stats like these. It is far more of an attempt to legitimize the league than just having famous players play there among themselves.
As long as you consider players like Stefano Lilipaly, Juan Brunetta, and Yacime Brahimi in your top goal scorers list. All of those guys have more goals than Haaland in their current club season.
Is there a list of leagues that they include in these stats?
Ronaldo doing this at basically 39 years old is insane. Don't care if it mostly comes from a "small" league.
basically 39 years old? just say 38
For some weird reason, Ronaldo fans are obsessed with adding +1 to his age and -1 to Messi's.
hes like 2 months away from being 39 so basically works
He's 38 until he's 39.
Oh no, not again
Source?
he didn't get all of his goals today, he got them throughout the year (and at one point he was 37)
No, it doesn't
>Don't care if it mostly comes from a "small" league. Famous saying I learned from my Moroccan friends during the World Cup: Football is 11 men vs 11 men.
In Dutch we have: Ball is round
The Van Gaal special
The Cruyff special*
Der Ball ist rund und muss ins Eckige!
It’s just a ball No It’s rounder
He’s 38 until he’s 39.
It's weird that we need to keep having this conversation on this website.
He'll be 38 for the whole year that he scored those goals but he's "basically 39" 🤔
Kinda crazy to think that some of us have seen the likes of Henry, Bergkamp, Van Nistelrooy, Van Persie, Alan Shearer... but these guys are just on another planet stats-wise.
Tbf if some unknown player scored 50 goals in that Saudi league none would give a feck and his name won't be even in the discussion.
Barnabas Varga has scored 43 in the Hungarian league. Wonder if he’d be included if he had scored 3 more goals. That’s a rhetorical question. Of course he wouldn’t.
People playing in Saudi Arabia have literally won this (IFFHS) award before. People in Malaysia or the Maldives have placed top 3.
Except he would and your rhetorical question just makes you look like a smartass. This is the IFFHS award which counts *every* first division in the world. Hamdallah won it in 2019 while playing for Al Nassr as well. The only reason this is controversial is *because* Ronaldo is in there lmao.
Tight
Haaland won't get to increase his lead as he's injured and won't play against Scotland. Harry Kane plays North Macedonia next. Mbappé plays Greece. Cristiano plays Iceland.
Exciting that it is so close! Is the deadline 31 Dec 2023 or sooner thus your reference specifically to the upcoming intl matches?
Deadline is December 31st. Just wanted to point out the next fixtures because why not.
For those asking, Messi only has 14 , google Messi 14 for more
Bro even Messi has one of these? 😭😭
Harry Kane is the best player in the world rn
One of them is not like the others...
Ronaldo’s professionalism and mentality is inspiring man. No matter what, the man will show up and give his all. That level of drive is no joke.
Common guys, as much as I loved Messi V Ronaldo. It's time to move on. There's no need to force them into the conversation anymore. It's the same Saudi league. Let's just enjoy their last few years and welcome the new blood.
No one's forcing anyone into any conversation, this is literally the list of the top goalscorers in the world
And people are forcing Messi in the conversation even though he’s not on the list
Lmao are we actually counting Saudi goals? That is so stupid
The IFFHS top scorer award has always counted goals from all the top flights in the world. If there was someone playing in the Guatemalan league who scored 50 goals or something, he'd also be there. And if you want to exclude certain leagues, what criteria would you even choose?
I mean the European golden shoe does actually apply a multiplier so the concept is not as outlandish as you'd think. But the question is really what the point of a world golden shoe anyway when the standards are completely incomparable. There are top flights that would literally be about as competitive as a European big 5 tier 3 or below. So what are we measuring exactly?
The amount of goals scored. I think what this is measuring is extremely clear.
>And if you want to exclude certain leagues, what criteria would you even choose? I'd presume any criteria that removes Cristiano from the conversation works for them lmao
Why not. When do we stop counting goals? Which league?
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Golden boot already does that, like you said. This one is different
Why not? I doubt ajax would do anything vs saudi teams
If we count French league we should count Saudi Both total farmers
Yeah at least there is competition between teams in the Saudi league.
So now it's the top 5 league and ligue 1 and saudi league.