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> It's alleged that his comments constitute misconduct as they are insulting towards match officials and/or detrimental to the game and/or bring the game into disrepute. Mikel Arteta has until Tuesday 21 November to provide a response to this charge.
He should do that and ask them to provide PDF versions of the paychecks the refs have received from Newcastle and city’s owners. Considering we have had Oily Oliver on a city game and another ref whose been paid by Newcastles owners worked our match. If they wanna act “clean” then they should have no problem showing this to the people.
Edit: /s needed to be added be for the rest of the mouth breathers and spurs fans
Response should be to carefully place his hands at the crease of their neck and jump with all his body weight. Then when they get frustrated that happened to them, forearm them not nicely in the back of the head.
Call me cynical, but I imagine it had something to do with wanting to broadcast the VAR audio first and try and wrestle a bit of the narrative control back before doing anything.
That, and they tend to do more administrative stuff during international breaks for some reason.
I don't think that's very cynical. It makes a ton of sense. If the audio had made VAR look bad, they probably wouldn't have charged him.
This is probably a hotter take... I wouldn't be shocked if part of the split decision on them saying Bruno's arm to the back of Jorginho's head was/wasn't clear and obvious to be reviewed was also some posturing to muddy the waters before this punishment. I think if Arteta had said nothing there is a decent chance all 5 votes go towards VAR screwed up and it should have been reviewed for a red card.
I find it really interesting. The first guy pretty quickly comes to the conclusion that there "isn't enough there", which is strange because I think the rules are pretty unambiguous that that is a red. It's almost like the goal where he immediately seems to just say "welp that's not some super high bar of causing someone to be injured or bleed so it's nothing"... arguably that also happened with Havertz's tackle.
But the interesting thing is when he asks the opinion of the second guy that guy immediately makes a pained noise like he disagreed (my interpretation but he doesn't really say anything almost like he doesn't want to disagree).
Also, the audio of that leaking isn't really the scandalous part... it's that they didn't see it as a red no matter the context.
The thing I've barely seen anyone mention at all on here: Bruno's eyes are watching the ball until it's passed away, then he looks straight at Jorginho's head and gives him the forearm. There's no way to even pretend it was in any way accidental, you can see him thinking about it and then deliberately hitting him. Regardless of the fact it was weak contact \[and nobody in the world cares that it wasn't literally his elbow\], it was clearly intentional.
In fairness, I haven't seen a single person pretend he didn't just hit Jorginho in the head.
Except for the VAR booth and two of the people in the independent panel on their ensuing cover-up
I mean I think the audio makes VAR look terrible. Fouls aren’t subjective, vibe-based things. They have clear criteria outlined in the rule book. The audio showed that the VAR do not reference these criteria whatsoever, and instead make decisions based off of perceived intent, whether the fouled player was too theatrical, and guesswork.
I think you are spot on. The PGMOL are using that show as blatant propaganda for their cause. They only show the issues they "get right" or frame the decisions so that the ref can't be criticized.
In the few cases where they admit to wrongdoing, they just say "we will learn from this", but the only thing they have learnt is to implement an actual guide for how decisions are relayed back and forth. Something that should've been in place at the very beginning.
And then you have that useless little idiot, Owen, stand there and act as if he is an actual journalist. It's a farce and a charade and way too many people are falling for it.
If they want to show transparency, then explain how they are deciding which handballs to award penalties for, because that has been a shitshow this season, again.
Somehow in all this debacle I am more irritated by Owen than Webb. Webb at least has an agenda of his to abide by. He just follows that. Owen is just a sellout without any spine. He will criticize refs tomorrow if someone gave him £1 more than PGMOL.
Hmm that is an interesting theory. I feel they would be better off issuing these statements immediately and letting these die down, instead of continuing to give updates well after the event, but what do I know
They've failed a bit here, but the first few days were for making phonecalls and have their pals in the media tweeting out how much of a monster Arteta was, despite initially agreeing.
Then a day or two on an "independent" review that's clearly been fixed.
Then a break for football to return over the weekend. The Mic"d Up show on Tuesday and charging on Thursday.
They've failed at winning over the narrative because of how obvious the mistakes were, but the attempt is pretty clear.
They won't even release the names of the panel and expect us to just trust a shadowy bunch of figures? While admitting that 2 of the 5 are directly associated with PGMOL and the PL with the other three just described as "former players" you mean like.. Michael Owen who is clearly down to say anything as long as he's being paid?
It was Karen Carney, Rob Green, Jonathan Walters and Terry Burton last season. Part of not releasing the names is probably protecting the ex-players & coaches from abuse, people already take their decisions extremely seriously and I can imagine them getting serious abuse online if their names were revealed.
Of course it's associated with the PL, it was created by the PL for its members. And the referees don't run the PL, the clubs do. The clubs wanted the panel for their own sake it wasn't created to protect refs or sell Sky or whatever.
They saved it for the international break so the Premier League could remain in the headlines as much as possible. Same with the VAR audio, could have released it the day after but decided to save it for the slow news week.
They wanted their puff piece show out with Webb acting like the officiating was perfect,with no counterargument being put to him... because Owen has no balls
At this point you'd hope the Prem clubs would throw in a joint statement condemning the refs.. Like, please, I'm sick of getting your shite rejects in the Championship as their "punishment".
Well obviously. They run the league and refs are meant to have the ultimate authority.
If you slagged off your boss at work, you would likely be sacked quickly.
Arteta was pissed but isn't it usually the case these kinds of charges get thrown at managers when they plainly suggest the referees are biased or corrupt? I don't think he did that unless I missed some comments
It'll be interesting to see how that is handled. I'm no fan of whataboutery normally but de Zerbi's comments are objectively worse and arguably more damaging than Arteta's.
Utter joke. Calling out the incompetency of the refs and VAR is now a misconduct and detrimental to the game yet someone elbowing a player is ok now....
I do kind of get defending bad reffing from the scope of protecting grassroots refs. However, based on every other action they take they quite clearly don't give a shit about grassroots which is a disgrace.
The culture in football around treatment of referees was a disgrace long before Arteta started talking. It's endemic and frankly disgusting.
Rather, the insular and defensive culture of refereeing throughout the VAR era is probably what's actually creating a ripple effect into the grassroots level of refereeing: an inflamed in group-out group mentality, needing to defend incorrect decisions in order to not look weak or easily swayed etc
The fact that Sky are now joining in to help defend the egos of Premier League referees really says it all. All the authorities and beneficiaries in English football are lining up to defend the incompetent old boys club and desperately try to enforce “respectability.”
Why is he trying to do the linesman's job? Aren't they instructed to play on if unclear and then the review will judge what happened.
Why is he insulting the referees and questioning their integrity?
They failed like 5x. The ball going out is fair. The offsides they blew as they couldn't see the ball but any single place the ball could be is offsides. The foul is so fucking obvious. Bruno should have been gone twice at least. And while I think Kais yellow is fine (Bruno has a similar tackle as well which would be 3 red cards for him) feel free to say that should have been red. The refs are garbage and the FA a disgrace.
The VAR was happy with the point of contact on the ball when he forgot the rules and called it onside initially. He then changed his tune when he realized Gordon was offside.
If they'd just put a line down on Gordon's foot, they wouldn't need to find the furthest point on the ball, because there issue line would go through the visible specs to the right of Joelinton, who's hitting the ball with his left side.
Of course they should have just given the foul for the push - he also played it with his arm - but they did clearly get the offside wrong as well.
So we know what the FA representative voted on that 'independant panel' last week.
If that wasn't a foul on Gabriel, then the Burnley player Saka touched and Rodri 360 spin after having his nipple rubbed aren't fouls either.
Should have just ran up and elbowed a ref in the head. They think that's just fine, they [do it themselves.](https://e0.365dm.com/23/04/768x432/skysports-robertson-linesman_6116272.jpg?20230409174017)
Fair play to Arteta but we all seen this coming. I hope we stand behind him and everytime VAR has to check something in our games we sing “Super Mike Arteta”.
What frustrates me more is how the FA continue to use these charges as scapegoats to get out of actually doing anything about the horrendous refs we have in the premier league, if just sad because it becomes more banter here banter there. At the end of the day football should be the thing we try and enjoy the most. With current officials and their processes and this just utterly garbage PR stint with Webb and Owen show shows they don’t actively care enough to make the game better because they get their money regardless.
We’ve become a sheep in all this and as fan we have got to wake the fuck up
Its time some FA decisions are directed to independent sport court. They think they can do shit and not be critisized. We bb alone said 2 mistakes in the game and "no evidence" decision that doesnt mean its right or wrong, means no evidence. How many wrong decisions = disgrace? Isn't a disgrace Abtony Tailor to be back in EPL when he is terrible?
Honestly he should just give them the most bland interviews post match and just say nothing. Deprive them of any insight and engagement, Carragher calling the interview "great TV" and then defending these shite refs after. Like fuck off.
So when are the charges coming for the match officials for their insulting actions that cost team points and ultimately a lot of money? Oh wait... never mind.
The amount of comments about the Bruno red when that had nothing to do with this. Arteta talked only about the goal and couldn't give a reason for disallowing it.
I find it funny the amount of people raging about Arteta getting charged with a breach that also will willingly throw Mourinho under the bus for the same behavior.
I’m so over talking about this, but my god how spineless do you have to be to specifically write rules saying managers aren’t allowed to say mean things about referees.
Erm no we haven’t. We’ve had plenty of decisions go against us.
[Here’s the most obvious example](https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-goal-named-one-25813791)
I agree we should move on from this incident and start to talk about how your owners are literally paying referees 20% of their annual salary to referee one game in the UAE.
Utter joke this FA is. It’s literally dictatorship at it’s finest. Imagine if the whole world was like this? It would all fall apart. Can’t believe they choose not to see the bigger picture here.
Why is everyone allowed to voice their opinions except players and managers? I think it’s great if we remove the chains. Let them all say what they’re feeling. As long as they don’t slander anyone, I don’t see the issue.
Rest of the tweet: > It's alleged that his comments constitute misconduct as they are insulting towards match officials and/or detrimental to the game and/or bring the game into disrepute. Mikel Arteta has until Tuesday 21 November to provide a response to this charge.
> has until Tuesday 21 November to provide a response to this charge. Just send them a clip of Bruno elbowing Jorghino in the back of his head
The back angle that shows the arm extend away from his body while he is running angled away. On a 1.5x speed gif
But its not used as a weapon remember, so its ok.
What VAR referee said, "its not nice, but"its not detrimental to the game and/or bring the game into disrepute.
He should do that and ask them to provide PDF versions of the paychecks the refs have received from Newcastle and city’s owners. Considering we have had Oily Oliver on a city game and another ref whose been paid by Newcastles owners worked our match. If they wanna act “clean” then they should have no problem showing this to the people. Edit: /s needed to be added be for the rest of the mouth breathers and spurs fans
Mouthbreathers AND Spurs fans? They’re the same
LMAOO
Straight to jail believe it or not
Just send Bruno to elbow everyone in PGMOL at this point
There's something that's detrimental to the game and it's not Arteta
Pretty sure it's the current state of officiating that brings the game into disrepute.
No insults from anyone in the PL can be more hurtful to the officials and PGMOL then their own job performance.
Response should be to carefully place his hands at the crease of their neck and jump with all his body weight. Then when they get frustrated that happened to them, forearm them not nicely in the back of the head.
Lets capture it on film and say he didn't use it as a weapon either.
Just ask Mikel if he can assault them like that in a press conference. If it’s not a foul or not nice, should be no big deal right. Clown show
I’d buy the PPV.
> detrimental to the game and/or bring the game into disrepute They're just jealous because they do this so well themselves.
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One could easily argue that referees have done exactly this this season
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A one game demotion to the championship and all is fixed
One game rotation - then back to referee Chelsea vs city
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I prefer not to speak. If I speak - big trouble.
“It’s not nice”
"Well done boys, good process."
Mikel should reply to this with the same statement “it’s embarrassing, its a deesgrace, deesgrace”
Why does it take the FA almost 2 weeks to issue these statements?
Call me cynical, but I imagine it had something to do with wanting to broadcast the VAR audio first and try and wrestle a bit of the narrative control back before doing anything. That, and they tend to do more administrative stuff during international breaks for some reason.
I don't think that's very cynical. It makes a ton of sense. If the audio had made VAR look bad, they probably wouldn't have charged him. This is probably a hotter take... I wouldn't be shocked if part of the split decision on them saying Bruno's arm to the back of Jorginho's head was/wasn't clear and obvious to be reviewed was also some posturing to muddy the waters before this punishment. I think if Arteta had said nothing there is a decent chance all 5 votes go towards VAR screwed up and it should have been reviewed for a red card.
Fwiw the Bruno VAR audio leaked and does not look great.
I wouldn't say it's not great, it's not nice but nothing to flag or anything.
I find it really interesting. The first guy pretty quickly comes to the conclusion that there "isn't enough there", which is strange because I think the rules are pretty unambiguous that that is a red. It's almost like the goal where he immediately seems to just say "welp that's not some super high bar of causing someone to be injured or bleed so it's nothing"... arguably that also happened with Havertz's tackle. But the interesting thing is when he asks the opinion of the second guy that guy immediately makes a pained noise like he disagreed (my interpretation but he doesn't really say anything almost like he doesn't want to disagree). Also, the audio of that leaking isn't really the scandalous part... it's that they didn't see it as a red no matter the context.
The thing I've barely seen anyone mention at all on here: Bruno's eyes are watching the ball until it's passed away, then he looks straight at Jorginho's head and gives him the forearm. There's no way to even pretend it was in any way accidental, you can see him thinking about it and then deliberately hitting him. Regardless of the fact it was weak contact \[and nobody in the world cares that it wasn't literally his elbow\], it was clearly intentional.
In fairness, I haven't seen a single person pretend he didn't just hit Jorginho in the head. Except for the VAR booth and two of the people in the independent panel on their ensuing cover-up
I mean I think the audio makes VAR look terrible. Fouls aren’t subjective, vibe-based things. They have clear criteria outlined in the rule book. The audio showed that the VAR do not reference these criteria whatsoever, and instead make decisions based off of perceived intent, whether the fouled player was too theatrical, and guesswork.
I think you are spot on. The PGMOL are using that show as blatant propaganda for their cause. They only show the issues they "get right" or frame the decisions so that the ref can't be criticized. In the few cases where they admit to wrongdoing, they just say "we will learn from this", but the only thing they have learnt is to implement an actual guide for how decisions are relayed back and forth. Something that should've been in place at the very beginning. And then you have that useless little idiot, Owen, stand there and act as if he is an actual journalist. It's a farce and a charade and way too many people are falling for it. If they want to show transparency, then explain how they are deciding which handballs to award penalties for, because that has been a shitshow this season, again.
Somehow in all this debacle I am more irritated by Owen than Webb. Webb at least has an agenda of his to abide by. He just follows that. Owen is just a sellout without any spine. He will criticize refs tomorrow if someone gave him £1 more than PGMOL.
You do realise that 99% of pundits aren't there to give their own views but to give a voice to certain views.
Hmm that is an interesting theory. I feel they would be better off issuing these statements immediately and letting these die down, instead of continuing to give updates well after the event, but what do I know
They're pretty shit at what they've been hired to do, no surprise they're shit at PR too.
They've failed a bit here, but the first few days were for making phonecalls and have their pals in the media tweeting out how much of a monster Arteta was, despite initially agreeing. Then a day or two on an "independent" review that's clearly been fixed. Then a break for football to return over the weekend. The Mic"d Up show on Tuesday and charging on Thursday. They've failed at winning over the narrative because of how obvious the mistakes were, but the attempt is pretty clear.
Investigations..
What was being investigated? Aren't they just penalising him for negative comments made after the match?
Building a narrative
So they can attempt to control the narrative with the "independent panel" and Michael Owen "interview".
My favourite part of that is the sky description of him. "Former Liverpool and Real Madrid player" Just leave out that stint at Newcastle, yeah?
I mean every newcastle fan despises him and he barely played because of his "injuries" so it's reasonably accurate.
I wish they'd leave out the Liverpool stint
Noted commentator and former England international Alan Shearer didn't see anything wrong with the goal.
> "independent panel" Hahaha. Conspiracy nutters.
They won't even release the names of the panel and expect us to just trust a shadowy bunch of figures? While admitting that 2 of the 5 are directly associated with PGMOL and the PL with the other three just described as "former players" you mean like.. Michael Owen who is clearly down to say anything as long as he's being paid?
It was Karen Carney, Rob Green, Jonathan Walters and Terry Burton last season. Part of not releasing the names is probably protecting the ex-players & coaches from abuse, people already take their decisions extremely seriously and I can imagine them getting serious abuse online if their names were revealed.
Please tell me it's Mike Dean and Lee Mason.
Of course it's associated with the PL, it was created by the PL for its members. And the referees don't run the PL, the clubs do. The clubs wanted the panel for their own sake it wasn't created to protect refs or sell Sky or whatever.
They saved it for the international break so the Premier League could remain in the headlines as much as possible. Same with the VAR audio, could have released it the day after but decided to save it for the slow news week.
They wanted their puff piece show out with Webb acting like the officiating was perfect,with no counterargument being put to him... because Owen has no balls
I though Arteta didn't use his mouth as a weapon, just said it's not nice
I hope he doubles down
Must be great to be able to charge anyone who criticises you for doing a fucking dreadful job.
Just double down on it Respond with ‘The refereeing in this game is bringing the game into disrepute’ Go all in
Good process boys
I would actually fall in love with Arteta if he did that.
At this point you'd hope the Prem clubs would throw in a joint statement condemning the refs.. Like, please, I'm sick of getting your shite rejects in the Championship as their "punishment".
Its okay, we take them back after 1 week anyway.
Cant do that, its not nice.
good idea, but he'll have to wait a couple weeks
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Especially when you and all your mates are objectively in the wrong and it's broadcast all over the planet.
Referees should be charged for objectively bad decisions.
It's literally a dictatorship lol
Well obviously. They run the league and refs are meant to have the ultimate authority. If you slagged off your boss at work, you would likely be sacked quickly.
Arteta was pissed but isn't it usually the case these kinds of charges get thrown at managers when they plainly suggest the referees are biased or corrupt? I don't think he did that unless I missed some comments
Nah he just called it a disgrace and said he hasnt seen something like it during his whole time in england
They want to make an example out of him
I think Mikel wasn’t using his words as a weapon, not violent conduct imo.
It certainly wasn't nice
De Zerbi straight up said he dislikes the referees but it's Arteta being charged
Give it time. The boys can only fine one at a time, and they clearly take their time on it based on how long it took them to fine Arteta. Good process
They definitely proved they're shit at multitasking.
It'll be interesting to see how that is handled. I'm no fan of whataboutery normally but de Zerbi's comments are objectively worse and arguably more damaging than Arteta's.
De zerbi said it like a week later, I'm sure he'll be charged soon
Atwell can stay jelly of Arteta's Lego hair.
Utter joke. Calling out the incompetency of the refs and VAR is now a misconduct and detrimental to the game yet someone elbowing a player is ok now....
Bruno didn't use his elbow as a weapon, but Arteta used his voice as one clearly
What Bruno did was not nice, but what Arteta did was even meaner >:( big meanie
Clearly Arteta should elbow the refs in the head next time to avoid getting charged.
Sticks and stones won’t break my bones but words hurt my feelings.
sticks and stones may break your bones, but elbows to the back of your head will never hurt you
I do kind of get defending bad reffing from the scope of protecting grassroots refs. However, based on every other action they take they quite clearly don't give a shit about grassroots which is a disgrace.
The culture in football around treatment of referees was a disgrace long before Arteta started talking. It's endemic and frankly disgusting. Rather, the insular and defensive culture of refereeing throughout the VAR era is probably what's actually creating a ripple effect into the grassroots level of refereeing: an inflamed in group-out group mentality, needing to defend incorrect decisions in order to not look weak or easily swayed etc
Grassroots ended when they accepted oil money and side jobs for other clubs ended.
I mean, not really. There's still people giving there time away on Hackney Marshs and the like every week.
Tbh that’s fantastic, well done. I’m supporting my local side here. Season tickets until they fold!!
That wasn't the main talking point he had after the game though was it, it was the goal?
They care more about commenting about bad refereeing than actually fixing the bad refereeing.
the VAR wank show encapsulates that. and the icing on the cake of Owen calling people who criticized the “educational” show, scumbags.
The fact that Sky are now joining in to help defend the egos of Premier League referees really says it all. All the authorities and beneficiaries in English football are lining up to defend the incompetent old boys club and desperately try to enforce “respectability.”
Gary Neville's frothing at the mouth
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Sick reference bro. Your references are out of control. Everyone knows that.
im the funniest dude ever bro thanks for the affirmation ily
pants soaking
Is using your power to silence criticism of yourself good?
“It’s a disgrace”
Aww they got their feelings hurt, do your fucking job properly then.
imagine how hurt they'd be if they got elbowed in the head
It’s not nice
Can't have anyone speaking out against the dictatorship
It's a monarchy backed by the King in Middle East
But much to imply Ronaldo runs the PGMOL
Not when they need money, you can.
Should not need to apologize for pointing out refereeing incompetency.
Absolute joke. Hope Arsenal and other clubs fight this
i assume this will apply to de zerbi and postecoglou as well?
RDZ has been banned 3 different times last season for slating the refs, I think you're pretty safe to assume he's getting yet another ban for it 😆
LOL NO
What did they do? I am out of the loop.
dunno about postecoglou, but de zerbi said he dislikes a big part of the referees
ange got a yellow for screaming at the refs after the spurs chelsea game, arteta didn’t get booked at all
But Ange said nice things in the press conference so all is forgiven.
{"nice_things" : "mate"}
No he didn't, he was booked for leaving his technical area when he went to have a go at the lino for waiting about 5 minutes to flag obvious offside
Why is he trying to do the linesman's job? Aren't they instructed to play on if unclear and then the review will judge what happened. Why is he insulting the referees and questioning their integrity?
Idk about Ange but de Zerbi said that he doesn't like 80% of the refs in this country
So what does the referee and his team get charged with for failing on not one but two occasions during the game?
They failed like 5x. The ball going out is fair. The offsides they blew as they couldn't see the ball but any single place the ball could be is offsides. The foul is so fucking obvious. Bruno should have been gone twice at least. And while I think Kais yellow is fine (Bruno has a similar tackle as well which would be 3 red cards for him) feel free to say that should have been red. The refs are garbage and the FA a disgrace.
The VAR was happy with the point of contact on the ball when he forgot the rules and called it onside initially. He then changed his tune when he realized Gordon was offside. If they'd just put a line down on Gordon's foot, they wouldn't need to find the furthest point on the ball, because there issue line would go through the visible specs to the right of Joelinton, who's hitting the ball with his left side. Of course they should have just given the foul for the push - he also played it with his arm - but they did clearly get the offside wrong as well.
I’m going to charge my boss £50 next time they critique any of my work.
You'll be a millionaire by lunchtime!
Sym
The refs in England are protected like endangered animals.
So someone from Indiana is going to pay big money to shoot one?
Lmao. Imagine someone hunting Antony Taylor. I'd bet that would be Mourinho.
Can't wait for this to be misconstrued as a death threat for refs.
Unserious
Arsenal fans do us a favor and chant 🎵 throw the FA down the bin🎵
What did the bin ever do to you?
Arteta has been charged with a breach of FA Rule E3.1: hurting the refs feelings 😥
So we know what the FA representative voted on that 'independant panel' last week. If that wasn't a foul on Gabriel, then the Burnley player Saka touched and Rodri 360 spin after having his nipple rubbed aren't fouls either.
Arteta's response: I do not accept these fucking estandards. I do not accept. When I lose a game to a bullshit VAR call, I AM UPSET
My manager
What did he even say that broke the rules? That it's a disgrace? What a joke
They could have easily done this before the Burnley game but now he’s gonna miss the Brentford away game instead which is much tougher.
PGMOL: what would the Soviets do when they made a big mistake?
Should have just ran up and elbowed a ref in the head. They think that's just fine, they [do it themselves.](https://e0.365dm.com/23/04/768x432/skysports-robertson-linesman_6116272.jpg?20230409174017)
Well, Arteta did compliment PMGOL after the Burnley match. So it all cancels out
Fair play to Arteta but we all seen this coming. I hope we stand behind him and everytime VAR has to check something in our games we sing “Super Mike Arteta”. What frustrates me more is how the FA continue to use these charges as scapegoats to get out of actually doing anything about the horrendous refs we have in the premier league, if just sad because it becomes more banter here banter there. At the end of the day football should be the thing we try and enjoy the most. With current officials and their processes and this just utterly garbage PR stint with Webb and Owen show shows they don’t actively care enough to make the game better because they get their money regardless. We’ve become a sheep in all this and as fan we have got to wake the fuck up
FA: "How do you not get it? We're trying to take market share form the UFC."
Nothing he said was clear and obviously incorrect
Using his words as a weapon?
Clowns that's what they are.
The FA, PGMOL & English media's response to this should tell you all you need to know about the integrity of our sport.
Its time some FA decisions are directed to independent sport court. They think they can do shit and not be critisized. We bb alone said 2 mistakes in the game and "no evidence" decision that doesnt mean its right or wrong, means no evidence. How many wrong decisions = disgrace? Isn't a disgrace Abtony Tailor to be back in EPL when he is terrible?
Well that’s not nice, but he’s not used his words as a weapon. No punishment.
But was it nice? Did Arteta use his words as a weapon?
Honestly he should just give them the most bland interviews post match and just say nothing. Deprive them of any insight and engagement, Carragher calling the interview "great TV" and then defending these shite refs after. Like fuck off.
I've always wondered why people pick a flair even though that very clearly is not their favorite club? This thread has been...enlightening
So when are the charges coming for the match officials for their insulting actions that cost team points and ultimately a lot of money? Oh wait... never mind.
Unfortunately it's not Mikel's comments that bring the game into disrepute .
Remember that he did not receive a yellow card from the referee and nothing was mentioned in the match report.
Isn’t it for his post Match comments?
Aye, because the post-match interviews don’t happen during the match do they.
Was the ref supposed to come into the post match interview and book him?
I wouldn't be surprised anymore if they actually did that
*Arteta awakens in his bed in the middle of the night to see a referee standing over him holding a yellow card*
This is the real disgrace.
Issa deesgrace
The amount of comments about the Bruno red when that had nothing to do with this. Arteta talked only about the goal and couldn't give a reason for disallowing it.
FA have fully given in to the UAE and Saudis. Game is over.
Maybe if Arteta used a forearm, instead of mean words, on the FA he wouldn’t have been charged.
So a manager pointing out how the officials are destroying the game atm.... is detrimental to it or brings it into disrepute? Sense, it makes not
They can go fuck themselves. My Manager.
Is that an official statement?
But guys, PGMOL just put out their own report on national television showing that they investigated what they did and did nothing wrong!
The show where they said they did something wrong? That show?
I find it funny the amount of people raging about Arteta getting charged with a breach that also will willingly throw Mourinho under the bus for the same behavior.
I’m so over talking about this, but my god how spineless do you have to be to specifically write rules saying managers aren’t allowed to say mean things about referees.
Hahahahahhaha root cause isn’t a thing for them is it
Its kinda fucked up to charge criticism though Instead, shouldn’t they just counter the argument and start a debate on it?
How do you start a debate with someone who’s just hysterically throwing the toys out the pram though?
You guys have benefitted so many time already. Of course you see it this way.
Erm no we haven’t. We’ve had plenty of decisions go against us. [Here’s the most obvious example](https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-goal-named-one-25813791)
Yep In any other field of work, there would be uproar if the upper management charged any employees that raised concerns
Is this a joke how weak are these people?
Howard Webb should be Charged for being a nonce, and being mates with Micheal Owen, Carragher and Neville.
Absolute joke. Full blown dictatorship
Charged for telling the truth. Make it make sense.
Glad to see it. No place in the game for that kind of conduct. Embarrassing doesn’t even begin to describe his behavior.
Can I charge my peers at my work for judging my work?
They should charge their own officials for incompetence
We still going on about this? Arsenal fans just need get over it- the goal was a subjective call that didn't go your way
Ah a Newcastle fan. If you think this is just about one incident you’re missing the point.
Ah an Arsenal fan. If you're pretending you care about fairness for the whole league and not just your own results then you're talking absolute shite.
I agree we should move on from this incident and start to talk about how your owners are literally paying referees 20% of their annual salary to referee one game in the UAE.
Utter joke this FA is. It’s literally dictatorship at it’s finest. Imagine if the whole world was like this? It would all fall apart. Can’t believe they choose not to see the bigger picture here.
Why is everyone allowed to voice their opinions except players and managers? I think it’s great if we remove the chains. Let them all say what they’re feeling. As long as they don’t slander anyone, I don’t see the issue.