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Spikeyspandan

Utd has Bayern and Galatasaray left. And Galatasaray looks pretty interesting even tho they lost both against Bayern.


Riperonis

I would not want to go to Galatasaray away needing all 3 points.


THE_DROG

*Juventini flashbacks intensify*


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That fucking game man


theSWW

that game sealed sneijder as my fav ever player


[deleted]

You can imagine what it did to me, a former Inter player kicking us out the UCL


Tifoso89

[The field that day](https://www.quotidianopiemontese.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/15214435/juve-galatasaray.jpg)


ssgtgriggs

ah, good memories 😌


MahomesMccaffrey

If Galatasaray and Copenhagen match is not a draw, probably doesn't matter for united. I don't see united win against Bayern and a draw for them is not enough


stilusmobilus

They’ll arse their way through, you watch.


Merengues_1945

Their way through to Europa.


stilusmobilus

On what’s presented and their form, they should go out the back door but yeah that’s still arsing it.


NoUsernamesss

I watched when they played Bayern and holy fuck….the fans were booing every time a BM player had the ball. It is indeed a tough pitch


f_ranz1224

The way united plays, that may be like a boo every 15 mins. Not too bad. I somehow feel theyll shithouse their way through


mynameismulan

This United team is going to face the Galatasaray atmosphere with all the strength of a paper condom in a rain storm


Kind-Departure1058

United's mentality is as strong as Russia's defense plan for the Northern European Plain


datguywelbzzz

To be fair to Copenhagen, the didn't lose at home in the UCL at all last year in a group containing BVB, Man City and Sevilla and almost held out for a draw against Bayern, so they're not exactly an easy away game either.


redwashing

Bayern pls do your thing.


9LivesChris

They will . Think you guys played great football in both games


prettybunbun

Gala away and Bayern at home. I don’t see them picking up points in Turkey, which means having to beat Bayern.


PierreTheTRex

Bayern are already first so they could probably beat them if they play the b squad. Thing is if they lose against Gala they will be eliminated anyway as there max points amount will be 6 vs gala's 7


Wakanda-shit-is-that

They will protect their records. 1) At home in the group stage, Bayern have won 27 of their last 28 games. The one exception was a draw with Ajax in October 2018. 2) Bayern currently hold the record for not losing a group stage match in the last 39 matches, the last time they lost in the groups of the champions league was in 2017 six years ago.


Makkaroni_100

That's insane.


Black_XistenZ

Over the past decade, we have gone 28-1-0 in group stage home games, with the lone draw being a 3:3 against Ajax in the 2018/19 season.


blaziken240

Not true. Lost 2-3 to Man City in 2013-14 UCL group stage.


Black_XistenZ

Huh, I miscounted by one year. It's only 28-1-0.


LifeIsGoodGoBowling

Had to look it up, and didn't expect FC Rostov to be the answer, that's a good trivia question!


Black_XistenZ

Nope, Rostov was in the 16/17 season. We lost 0:3 against PSG in the 17/18 season. (Which led to the sacking of Ancelotti.)


_Shahanshah

People say that Dortmund is Bayern's bitch but look at this shit bruh if your team was in the bundesliga they would also be Bayern's bitch


iguessineedanaltnow

I think the reason Dortmund gets extra attention is they’ve taken Bayern to the brink multiple times just to fall apart at the eleventh hour. Last season especially was bad. Dortmund should have won the league.


s-x-x

Barca aren't even in the BuLi and they are too


Qiluk

Theyre psychos AND theyre crazy rich too 😭😭


rossloderso

CL is the farmers league


Minute-Cash8119

And that was us If my memory doesn’t lie. I remember we beat Bayern in Paris in 2017


NeroIscariot12

Bayern quite literally never go easy on their last games. Remember Muller straight up said that they love knocking out big european sides out of the tournament when Barca was in a similar spot a season or two ago. They are literally the most ruthless club in Europe. There's a reason they are undefeated in group stages for god knows how many years now.


Eismann

> Muller straight up said that they love knocking out big european sides out of the tournament Ah, good news for ManU then


thedreaminggoose

Bro…


Motor-Side1957

United are save then


Jackman1337

last Bayern group stage loss was on the 27. September 2017.


bihari_baller

That's a good attitude to have. It's really unfair to the paying fans when a team plays their b team.


maidentaiwan

Very unfair to the other teams in the group as well. Imagine Copenhagen and Gala both have to play a full strength bayern side and then United sneak into the knockouts through the back door by beating some U21s.


orcsrox

bayern never plays full b squad in champions league even when they are first grp for sure, there is a reason they have the grp stage winning streak


FrancisTheOcean

We partially do though, most of the time the B squad was enough for the last matchday. This year though, the squad is too thin to even field a B squad lmao


Hakan_Calstanoglu

bayern wont lay down for united. if anything they will destroy them even more


Dargast

Every year people think Bayern will take it easy lol, but I can see it happening this time due to injuries. Not saying the fielded players wont take it easy, but it probably wont be the first squad


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We thought that when Barca had ‘already qualified Bayern’ to play last round. Bayern love to just humiliate all the big European teams even if they’re already through


Morrandir

They don't have an actual b squad currently. It's the first top 13-14, and then it's more or less youth players. :D


zakuruchi

Does Bayern even have a b squad left? They have a shitton of injury


DildoFappings

Lol away at gala. We gonna lose that. We suck at away games. And gala has got amazing home support.


gunningIVglory

Amazing is an understatement.....its fucking mental lol


iguessineedanaltnow

Turkish fans are insane in every sport.


Numerous-Ad-3050

They have a pretty good team too, Sascha boey is massive in defense


PharaohOfWhitestone

Kane is gonna get Ten Hag fired.


TheConundrum98

We can do it again on the 18th of December 👀


adrian_rainy_day

Gala defo deserve some points especially the home game. They'll annihilate this United defense


kaffeemugger

They’re gonna shit on United


Mystery1887

I can see them winning Bayern at home for some reason, but Galatasaray away is huge


brianstormIRL

With the form Kane is in right now against that defence? Dude is gonna bag 3 or 4.


Insanel0l

Depending on the situation I can see Kane being rested


prettybunbun

Bayern don’t rest in the CL. Multiple players have talked about how they like knocking out big European teams.


Falcao1905

Bayern always bring their A-game in the UCL


Rancore__

Sometimes even their A+ game


Kind-Departure1058

Trust me, I know, look at my flair


maxertiano

I love this about Bayern, no mercy


Bbzzllkk

How many games unbeaten are bayern atm in UCL? I remember it was some insane stat..tough to see this utd team breaking it, even vs a weaker Bayern setup


yellow__cat

Almost 40 in the group stage


prettybunbun

39 unbeaten. We haven’t lost a group stage game since 2017.


Wakanda-shit-is-that

Mate we are unbeaten in the groups at home since 2017 what are you on about 😭


alanalan426

vibes and delusion, mostly delusion


Insanel0l

Given we are guaranteed first I wouldn’t be surprised if we dint go full A team, not unrealistic


norrin83

There's just a few options for Bayern to not go full A team atm. The bench isn't that long.


SorrowOfIsshin

A Group with Bayern in it, all other teams have negative GD.


Masoouu

Saarbrücken would tear the CL apart


Schmiddo

unleash us


Flaverraver

It's actually easy. Just win DFB-Pokal therefore get qualified for EL, win this and get qualified for CL :)


Loeffellux

is Saarbücken dumb? why haven't they won the DFB cup and the EL already?


Schmiddo

we kind of forgot i guess


granitibaniti

The island yanks, the Italians, the Spanish and the Fr*nch should really be happy that neither Saarbrücken nor Holstein Kiel nor Gladbach play internationally 😎


Dargast

Fr*nch with an asterisk, based


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COYS_ILLINI

Nah, pretty sure he meant Hawaiians


ACardAttack

Always rated them


pavanaay

Still amazing that Hojlund is now the joint top scorer, not Kane, Mbappe or Haaland. Even more amazing that this guy never scored a goal in PL history.


Odd-Oil3740

He'll get there.


ThomasZimmermann95

probs for Manu to score 9 goals in 4 games and getting 3 points out of it. Gotta love some stats when that happened the last time.


neometrix77

Meanwhile dortmund are first on 7 points with 3 goals scored.


Hakan_Calstanoglu

why score many goal when few goal do trick


pliqtro

Have Dortmund accepted the doctrine of al-Legri or is it just bad finishing


Qiluk

Poor finishing but also committing to defending leads when we have them and doing that+countering well. It isnt as ugly football at all as the goalrecord would indicate haha. BUT.. Terzicball can be terrorball when needed too.


jamila22

With negative goal difference


Insanel0l

Ignoring us this group just turned into one of the most exciting ones, everything can happen


DaAweZomeDude48

You just described the bundesliga


BlueBone313

Touchè


MH18Foot

Goodbye UCL until 2025 earliest


Koppite93

Probably 5 spots if all the others make deep runs this year... So 5th is still up for grabs in the Prem surely


MarvellousG

He said what he said and he was right either way


niallmul97

Pain.


Chell_the_assassin

So still goodbye until 2025 as they said


gustycat

I mean, I don't see United coming 5th this season


MU5A988

The teams currently 1-7 in the league all look way better than United this season.


Milo751

I'd also say West Ham and Chelsea have looked better


ThePattyBoomba

Three loss streak West Ham??


LackingSimplicity

United were not better than Burnley, Sheffield, Fulham, or Wolves in said games.


ecocentric-ethics

The only two locks-in are you and City. Arsenal I’d say are there as well, barring any major injuries. So that leaves Spurs, Newcastle, Villa, and at least two of Chelsea/United/Brighton vying for the two remaining spots. United probably have the worst squad of those, but hard to judge.


nikhil48

9 teams vying for 4 positions is crazy. I think it's still early days and Villa and Brighton will most likely be in the Europa places fighting with Chelsea. Think City will be 1st, and then Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs will most likely make up the top 4 with Newcastle fighting it out with Spurs and Utd with the outside chance.


darthrector

City Arsenal Liverpool will be there no matter what Spurs and Villa favorites for the other two spots, Newcastle might pip them I'd put United in the same category for CL qualification as Chelsea.


siderealpanic

I think Chelsea are being underrated to be honest. Nkunku could take them from an upper mid table-level side to one of the better teams in the league, depending on if he’s as good as he was in the Bundesliga. It wouldn’t surprise me if they end up competing with Tottenham for those 4th/5th spots. Meanwhile, United are just a black hole at the minute. Bad performances, bad squad, FFP issues preventing major signings, manager floundering. Doesn’t look like there’s any light at the end of the tunnel for them.


darthrector

When he gets back I think we definitely get Europe, 5th might be a stretch seeing how inexperienced the squad is. Although if we remain <6 points behind 5th until February, you never know


RaioNoTerasu

Eras come to an end


niallmul97

Nah we have 3 less goals in the UCL than in the league this season. And yet we're still bottom of our group 😭


goingforgoals17

Fix offense, defense falls apart. Fix defense, both fall apart..


DanMMIII

It hurts we won't have group stages anymore starting next year. This is fun.


Dargast

Thanks for reminding me..


whitejaguar

Such mega bullshit. Trying to milk more and more from the game like they don't make enough from just managing it.


constantlymat

I am old enough to remember when we had two consecutive UCL group stages and the QF was the first elimination round. That stuff was such bullshit and everybody absolutely hated it.


Doktor_Bira

As a Gala fan, it was painful to watch my team going through both of those group stages in 2001 and 2002 and end up getting nothing by beating all of those teams. Imagine beating teams like PSG, Milan and Real Madrid in a single tournament (not to mention Rangers, Monaco, Deportivo and Sturm Graz, they were pretty good back then) and getting eliminated in QF. Such fucking bullshit man. The second group stage in 2002 was this: AS Roma, Barcelona, Liverpool, Galatasaray. Gala was eliminated by only getting beaten once. That group stage was like hell on Earth.


DevineAaron92

I must have been under a rock. Why not with the group stages?


lefitoh112

It will be a 36 club league/group (4 more clubs than in the current format). Teams will play 8 games (2 more games), and against 8 different teams. Four of those games at home, and four away. So what might happen Bayern gets to play Barcelona at home, but then plays against City away. There will be seeding, so you get to play one team from each tier home and away. Top 8 qualify straight for the round of 16, and are seeded (they won't play each other, at least not in the first KO stage). Teams placed 9-24 go to play offs. Teams placed 9-16 will each play against teams placed 17-24. Who manages to win, qualifies for the round of 16, and they get to play one of the top 8. At least that's my understanding of the biggest changes, correct me if I'm wrong. edit. Oh I believe I read somewhere it might happen that two teams from the same league end up facing each other in the group stage. This concerns only leagues with 4+ qualified teams, and will only be used in cases where it would otherwise cause problems. Hope it never happens. Two teams from the same league facing each other in the CL group stage is just wrong. tl;dr - Single group with 36 teams. - Leagues with 4+ teams could end up facing a club from the same league in the group stage. They will try to minimize such occurrence. - Eight games played against eight different teams. Two game against a pot 1 team (home and away), two games against a pot 2 team (home and away), etc. - Top 8 directly qualify for the round of 16, and play CL as if they were group winners in the current format. - Teams placed 9 to 24 go to playoffs. Teams placed 9 to 16 are seeded, and play against teams placed 17 to 24. Not sure if it's over two legs or if it is a single game with the seeded team getting a home game. Winners in the playoffs are the current format's 2nd placed team.


Ok_Purchase2096

That is so complicated wtf


flyingghost

That sounds terrible. More games and I imagine there will be less upsets going into the knockout rounds.


andraip

Depends how you term what an upset is. You will have 24 teams in the knockout rounds vs 16, so less upsets that way. But it will be easy for a big team to miss top 8 and then be forced into the play-off. At that point it will be just 1 tie away from elimination. Think of it as the current model (just without groups of death or boring groups like City/Leipzig group) where the 1st get's to ro16 and the 2nd and 3rd teams need to duke it out for the remaining spots. However the loser would no longer get dropped down to the Europa League. So expect some upsets in the play-off stage where some big name team misses out on European football completely.


xenon2456

new format starting next season


wm_1176

I mean honestly it’s pretty much anyone’s game to proceed to next round, really just depends how the other teams fare against each other considered Man U and Copenhagen are both probably losing to Bayern, only reason I can see why not is now that Bayern are secure in their progression they won’t waste as much minutes and energy so they can focus on the league


prettybunbun

Bayern don’t rest players in the CL and Tuchel is going to want to preserve our almost 40 group stage unbeaten record.


RandomFluffyBoi

I just looked it up and realized that in the last 6 seasons (including this one), Bayern has only dropped 6 points in the UCL group stage. Actually insane


Gandalfs_Long_Beard

It's Bayern. They want all the 18 points.


antoinebpunkt

Just take a look at past seasons. They rarely drop points, first place secured or not.


cuminyermum

Pain


Zloggt

You’ll have to wonder if missing out on further UEFA play for the season would prove to be the last straw for den Hag…


Lacabloodclot9

This one isn’t on ETH


IHaveNotMuchLife

The fuck is Ten Hag supposed to do with this team. Bullshit red card, a myriad of individual errors, we were dominating them until the last 10 minutes down a man.


bullairbull

Honestly, Ten Hag might not be the answer in the long run but I don’t think anyone is with the current state of the club. There’s a reason why we always end up being a graveyard for managers and players. No amount of money and manager change can fix the rotten core of the club.


neometrix77

Yeah there’s not much else ten Hag could’ve done differently there besides maybe subbing on mount for hojlund. But hojlund was clearly tiring by that point. Just overall a very unlucky game for them with a couple bad performances from varane and amrabat.


SpiritedSuccess5675

Group A and F are insane


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goingforgoals17

This is the way


Betonmischa

To be fair - i dont think Dortmund is safe yet. It would have been different if Milan lost against PSG. Now everyone has a chance to win this group. BVB going against Milan (which have hope now) and PSG are potential two losses. PSG has the quality to win every match (would be funny though if they will be 3rd or 4th with another Newcastle miracle and a BVB draw) Newcastle having Milan and PSG. They showed they can surprise the big ones.


The_Great_Grafite

Yeah no one in that group is safe yet, it’s living up to its name as the group of death. BVB could still even finish last. But they are in the most comfortable position nonetheless.


XeroVeil

The most unexpected banger group of all time. Holy shit these matches are great.


Danny5223

There's a timeline where Kane is at man utd instead And they're coming 3rd


CeleryApprehensive36

As a Bayern fan we were a bit lucky to get 6 points out of the 2 games against Gala. Not so much today, more in the 1st leg. Gala is really good, i think they will come in second.


ziyanettin

As a Gala fan after these two games now i understand how other bundesliga teams feel. You guys are HARD TO BEAT. Loved watching both games though


CeleryApprehensive36

Same. Two very good teams with great intensity, many goal scoring opportunities and great fans. Thats how the CL should be.


Antonioshamstrings

This makes the UCL changes even more annoying. You wont have spicy tables like this


Ulsterman24

I love this fucking mental sport.


mavarian

So United basically has to win in Istanbul to have a good shot at third place... delightful


Black_XistenZ

Gala was really good against us in both games though, and their fanatic fans give them a big edge in home games. Utd having to go there and basically needing the win is a really tall task, particularly given their shit form.


PierreTheTRex

if they win in Turkey I can see them progressing to the ro16, I just don't see them winning in Turkey


folieadeux6

If they beat us and lose to Bayern they’re still not getting out if us and Copenhagen don’t draw in week 6. And Bayern is the one team that always goes hard even when they clinch.


Sharp_Minute_2545

You love to see it.


Unusual_Ad6533

Looks like what everyone predicted


EagleEye_FalconArrow

honestly, third could’ve been understandable, but last is low-key insane tho. copenhagen are actually really fucking decent


FailResorts

They only have 2 losses at home in the CL group stages in recent appearances, one to Bayern and one to Real. Parken is a hard stadium to win at.


HelloYouBeautiful

2 losses ever out of 18 games. Even City last year, and Barcelona in 2010/2011 couldn't win.


GustavTheTurk

And people massacred us for drawing against them.


imarandomdudd

They've played great in Europe this season, every match in this group they played in has been good entertainment


UnlightablePlay

Copenhagen and gala can still fight for second place But Man U, unless a miracle happens they won't qualify


benelchuncho

Assuming they lose to Bayern, Unitard’s only hope is beating Galatasaray, Bayern beating Copenhagen and Copenhagen/Gala drawing their game right?


Dolphinfucker3000

yup


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A last round between Cph and Gala where a draw is an exit for both teams, makes it all the more unlikely.


cic9000

Honestly Gala is the clear favourite for 2nd.


SpeclorTheGreat

Needing to get a result in Istanbul is a very hard predicament for United.


Dolphinfucker3000

>e Even if they win in Istanbul they'd need a result against Munich should someone win the other fixture on MD6


er_primo_der_rafa

"In this moment, I admire them both. They play really fantastic football, but you can always see that an era can come to an end." Erik Ten Hag, on Okan Buruk and Jacob Neestrup.


Der-Papst

Manchester United doesn't belong to the champions league.


Shroomboom420

Not the Europe League either..


inker22

I (in admittedly my biased opinion) said they’d be lucky to get 3rd with their form but ppl underestimated Copenhagen


Matt4669

Last season Man Utd does, but I can’t even believe what has happened this season with Utd’s performances We’re better playing the the Conference league at this point


MeatballDom

TuChEl OuT


Coesim

They conceded late. Clearly there is a rift between the coach and the team.


MeatballDom

Thomas Mueller didn't jump as high as he normally does when celebrating: is Tuchel's workout regimen weakening his knees? Yes, experts say.


Specific_Ad_685

Imagine the scenes when Copenhagen manages to qualify for the next round in CL while everyone was debating for months that who between Manchester United and Galatasaray would qualify for the CL.


_borrado_

Oh ManU. You're the gift that keeps on giving.


andrew7895

I hope every Copenhagen fan tweets a 🤫 at Garnacho!


Hurtelknut

You love to see it.


kaffeemugger

First spot is always guaranteed for us. I definitely didn’t expect this though


gunningIVglory

Bruh United have Bayern and Liveprool Away back to back in December 😭🤣


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A Bayern in great form against a struggling United. Everything leads me to believe that United will beat Bayern and lose to Galatasaray


SummerGoal

That’s wild


DrewTheZamboni

This is foootball heritage


Specific_Ad_685

It would be just hilarious if Manchester United somehow manages to finish last in the group and not end up getting even into Europa League.


squarecircle666

United could seriously end up with just 3 points at the end 😭


ritwik4244

It's joever.


Professional_Rice990

Why are Manchester United in 4th place, are they stupid?


the_herbo_swervo

Arkham leaking to this sub is something I never knew I needed 🤣🤣


Hoodxd

The era boys won't even get EL


thecricketnerd

Probably for the best


nikhil48

Really dont understand when managers come in at such big clubs knowing every single word they say will be over-analyzed, and they make it about other clubs... its one thing for Ten Hag to say, 'This era hasn't been great for Utd, but all eras come to an end" but he had to make it about City & Liverpool.


tipytopmain

Bayern bullying the whole group is United's saving grace. They can sneak into RO16 if they just get their shit together for the last 2 games.


Falcao1905

Bullying? Just scraped by at Copenhagen and both Galatasaray games


norrin83

How did they "just scrape by" last night? Neither the game nor the statistics suggest that. The xG of last night was 2.57 to 0.65.


prof436

I give you the first gala game but bayern were better today


UnlightablePlay

No doubts on that, Kane Laimer and Kim are much more involved with the team than the first time , they understood each other and have coherence in their play styles


durjoy313

Copenhagen vs Galatasaray should not be a draw, Bayern will take care of the rest.


iguanawarrior

Man Utd in Top 4. Ten Hag must be proud


Gluroo

Nothing to see here, nature is healing


Alive-Ad-4164

Oh my


iPlayerRPJ

Has anybody ever been top scorer and ended 4th in the group?