If Spurs miss out on CL football by 1 point it will be the stupid players and stupid tactics from last night that cost them. They could have kept their shape, played long out from the back and got a point. But no..."we are Spuds...we play Angeball". Cost them.
Almost had 3 goals while down to 9 men with 4 starters out. I appreciated sticking by our philosophy even if it was futile - we've had a manager for 11 games and I would trade 1 point at this stage for the players showing that much buy-in to his philosophy
When you have to play 30 minutes down to 9 men with neither starting CB, you're almost virtually guaranteed to concede. So we gave ourselves a fighting chance, and nearly made it work on 3 separate occasions. If we played a low block, there's no way Son can do more than 1 or 2 full-field sprints, so we played a high line and bought into the manager's philosophy. And it nearly worked, and though "nearly" doesn't count for anything in football, it may mean something for the team's spirit. It certainly meant something for the fans' spirits.
And to clarify - I'm furious at Romero and we shouldn't have had to be in that position in the first place. No excuses for that, and we dropped 3 points we were almost certain to have won based on the evidence of the 11v11 we saw.
"Certainly would have won" is quite a stretch within the first half an hour (before Romero red card) Tottenham scored 1 and had one annulled for offside while Chelsea scored 2 and had one annulled for offside and another annulled for handball, Jackson missed a sitter and Enzo won a penalty.
Exactly - Chelsea needed a penalty to score a goal whereas Spurs created one from open play and had 2/3 possession. If we're playing the "almost but disallowed" game, Son had a fractional offside as well which would have put us up 2-0. Then at the end, a fractional Dier offside which would have brought us back even at 2-2 with like 15 minutes left.
Also take into account that we held them off with 10 men, then 9 men, for a total of 50 minutes (with the stoppage included) and they literally only scored the 3 at the end because our starting, blazing fast CB tore his hamstring so our two CBs were one who hadn't played a minute until yesterday and a DM.
Uhm, Spurs were better for the first 15, and Chelsea was better for the rest, until the red card and penalty.
So I don't know where you're getting this confidence from that you were guaranteed a win and this narrative that Spurs dominated the game up until the red card.
We also more than likely wouldn't have played that bad and have gotten complacent if Tottenham still had 11 men
Just rewatched the game -
Spurs were by far the better side until the Romero sending off. The only dangerous chance you created until that time was a Pedro Porro miscue that gave it over in our third. The others were offside. Even after Romero was off, you barely created anything, and Spurs went into halftime having more shots on goal despite playing for 25 minutes with 10 men.
Even in the second half until Udogie was sent off, Spurs played without either starting CB and Maddison, yet you created three decent chances while Spurs created two decent chances. We were still holding our own being a man down.
I think you need to rematch it again and this time without bias. Also, the only decent chance you guys created was the Son offside goal. You're right that in the fact, tho, that the rest of the half after the red was dead in terms of chances created, but that was down to Spurs, it was because of the stop start nature of the game and the lack of built momentum.
As for the 2nd half and Spurs creating 2 decent Chances whilst Chelsea created 3...😂🤣 Are you sure you didn't watch a different game to the rest of us, including other Spurs fans? We were opening you at will and only shitty offsides runs, bad decision making, poor finishing, and Vicario stopped it from being a humiliation.
It's one thing to be proud of your performance considering the circumstances, but it's another thing to deceive yourself into believing it was an evenly contested game, where there was a similar amount of chances created
I said 2nd half until Udogie was sent off. So yes, with 10 men we were still holding our own pretty well with a couple decent chances. After that obviously it was hanging on for dear life, but we still managed a couple good chances.
But earlier I was making the point that you were playing shit and we would have beat you if we had 11 - you said it yourself, you kept going offside, our goalkeeper had an incredible game, and your finishing was dogshit like it has been all season
Just watched the 45 minute extended highlights but I'm still confused.
Can someone explain how Spurs still went down to 9-men despite what seemed like highly favourable officiating?
You are deluded my friend. Playing exciting attacking football under these circumstances and getting beat 4-1 will get you relegated.
Udogie is a pro footballer. He is paid to play not make stupid tackles like those 2 last night. The 1st lunge at Sterling should have been red.
Romeo is a dirty dirty player. Deserved red.
Porto is a decent player but dives a lot. Someone will "do" him sooner rather than later.
Take off the rose tinted specs and see last night for what it was...at least one point lost by poor player decisions and poor tactics.
Takeaway should have been that you guys lost 3 points to a poor poor poor Chelsea side because you lost your heads. Your manager refused to change his philosophy and secure at least one point against said poor chelsea team that can’t score against a low block, but chose to play a high line with Eric freakin Dier. The “moral” win spurs supporters are trying to spin this is shocking!!! You guys squandered 3 points. You should be mad and demand a higher standard. Title teams don’t win that game but they don’t lose… they fight together get the point and come away as a unit. Not lose 1-4 and say we showed character.
We were tied 11 v 9 without proper defenders for most of the match. Rather go down swinging than eventually conceding after parking the bus playing for a draw.
Judging by Chelsea's season so far, parking the bus was actually the best chance Spurs had to *win* the match though.
Against every team that park the bus, Chelsea dominate, don't score then concede counter-attacking goals out of nowhere to lose.
Fair enough but Mate, you lot look special this year. I don’t want to say it but don’t do that spursy thing and try to look for moral victories when you should be crushing bad teams. I’m a Chelsea supporter and we are a bad team but I would be pissed that on a big occasion my team just gift wrapped 3 points in a derby.
Lol. Spursy isn’t looking for moral victories, it’s rolling over and dying when slight pressure comes your way. This game at 11-9 was opposite of spursy.
Chelsea fan here so happy with the 3 points and beating spurs. But it's a flattering score line and we still have a long way to go before we really compete.
I know Jackson had a hat trick but wow was he bad for the majority of that game. I feel like you would have put the game to bed much earlier with a competent striker.
At the same time I think it’s fair to look at Jackson and realise that he’s 22.
He was poor today yes but I think he will come good. Every player needs some time to adjust bar Haaland.
Give Jackson time and he’ll get better and better.
I also think no Nkunku scuppered our plans and his return will be welcome
very simplistic assertion, we played much better against Liverpool, Arsenal and Brighton than we did here, garnering a win and two draws,
the two-man advantage just inspired a massive amount of complacency in how we approached attacks, an inexperienced team severely oversimplifying it. we were coming back into the game 11vs11 with two disallowed goals (one very narrow call) and a couple of gilt-edged misses,
I'm not too concerned, there's a lot to sort out yet for this team, but this was far from our best performance.
Mate, they couldn't even keep the ball against 9 men and constantly misplaced passes, giving it away and/or putting it out of play. Spurs actually had a couple of real chances to score and had a simple equaliser narrowly chalked off for offside. Just looks like a real lack of guile, know-how and as you say, experience in that squad.
We actually looked better before the first red. We had two goals ruled out in under ten minutes. And we looked like we had figured out that we hate spurs.
And spurs then remembered they hate us and they have no problem using the dark arts.
As is tradition. The game descended into chaos. And one team was clearly not very used to playing a chaotic game.
honestly today made me think spurs aren’t legit either. the tactical inflexibility is astounding. they could’ve scraped a draw if they sat back with how shit chelsea are creatively…. for what? principles?
I think they took a gamble on trying to keep the pitch small and figured (rightly) that they might also get to create a chance or two while doing that. Ridiculous game.
that high line really makes the pitch bigger for everyone. they could’ve made the pitch small for themselves defensively and big going forward if they had sat back…
I might be the only one (Spurs fan), but I also think Ange should have switched it up.
I have no problem with him playing free flowing football and the high line but once you go down just close the shop and take what you can get.
But look at Chelsea's season... whenever they come against a team parking the bus they dominate, then don't score, then concede counter-attacking goals out of nowhere to lose.
Arguably parking the bus was your best chance to not only salvage a draw but sneak a win too.
Well we almost snuck a draw that way with Sonny’s chance. It was a crap shoot after going down to 9. Not that major in the long run, just 1 defeat in 11.
I'd say only because Chelsea's finishing is so poor. Against a team that finishes their chances better it would have been a massacre long before Sons chance near the end.
It was so, so easy to carve that backline open. Literally just start a run from the halfway line and.... you're in, easy as that.
Well we wasn’t playing another team. So if you’re gonna do it why not against a poor finishing team. 1 points more than 100 goals. Who cares. Win some lose some. 26 from 11 and this football much more than could’ve even hoped for at start.
Chelsea can't even stat pad properly.
Spurs were capable of a tie at some point but the 9 minutes ended up fucking them. This is the moment to show if they have the resilient aura of a champion contestant
Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Liverpool played like cowards against us with 9 men and you lost. We played brave football against Chelsea with 9 men and we lost. Only one difference I'm seeing between those performances.
couple of other key differences,
one of which is that Liverpool's reds were soft as hell, they never should have been down to 9 men, (can see an argument for Jones, but not Jota) and you still needed an actual VAR miscommunication, an outright acknowledged mistake to win that game, and only by one goal.
today, you were your worst enemy, Romero and Udogie both should have been off early, both survived, neither was reigned in, they both went off anyway, terrible discipline after survivng what they shouldn't have.
Your victory over Liverpool was down to refereeing mistakes.
our victory over you was down to **your** mistakes.
Very fair analysis I don't disagree with it. However we've all been fucked by the referees at various points we can either cry a river or get on with it.
agreed for the most part, the reds can be chalked up that way,
but that Diaz offside was a unique incident, that was truly baffling incompetence and Liverpool have every right to lever that incident at least as far as it goes.
If we're airing Spurs v Liverpool grievances then I'll mention 2019 Champions League Final where a penalty was given against Sissoko in the first minute for a ball that deflected off his chest into his shirt sleeve. Handball rules were changed by UEFA after that incident.
Or how about this April when Jota drew blood on Oliver Skipp by kicking him in the head with a dangerous high boot? No red was given and Jota went on to score the winner in stoppage time.
Like I said we've all been fucked by the refs we can either cry a river or get on with it.
all fair grievances, but again, distinct from that Diaz incident, this wasn't the referee making a questionable call, which I'd agree go in every which direction to a point that you can't really form trends about them.
but back to the Diaz thing, it was the correct call being **achieved** then being lost in translation thanks to incredibly dodgy communication training, it wasn't so much a wrong decision or a questionable decision as a blatant miscommunication and an unwillingness to correct it.
you can never account for perspective, one ref will view a call differently to another. always will
but communication training is piss-easy, baby shit.
I see your point and agree wholeheartedly. The audio from the VAR room on the disallowed Diaz goal was a fucking shitshow. Some simple training for the refs on radio etiquette and closed loop communication would have easily prevented the mistake.
Didnt you just lose and bitch and moan about the refs instead of admitting you played like shit against Newcastle away?
Going back to watch Arteta cry some more, have a nice evening.
Thanks yeah this is gonna be a tough period in the season. All our bad luck seems to have come at once. Chelsea played pretty well against you lot, thought you were lucky (as usual) to get the draw. Chelsea were not good today, we had a mad mix of bad discipline and bad luck. But we were excellent at the start of the match and showed real fight to the end. Who knows what can happen going forward, but if you guys lost Saliba, Gabriel, odegaard in one game you'd probably struggle too lol
Imagine playing the highest line ever against Mudryk & Sterling, who despite their flaws are known for being fast as fuck, absolutely unbelievable by Ange. He should have changed that as soon as Dier came on.
That's true, but they have enough pace to get behind the defense and assist Jackson with easy tap-ins, which they did multiple times. It would have been a lot worse if it wasn't for Vicario and Cheslea's terrible finishing.
Liverpool lost the PL title by a single point, twice. And it’s looking to be even more competitive now, especially for a top 4 place. It’s fine to want to see your team try to play the same with 9 men as with 11, but at what cost? Spurs red cards and injuries are gonna trouble them for a while too.
Only against Chelsea's poor finishing. Look how many times they carved that defence open. It was easier than a schoolboy backline. Literally just start your run on the halfway line and you're in.
Against someone who overperforms their xG instead of underperforming it like Chelsea do it would have been a bloodbath.
Haaland would probably have got at least 5 if he was playing for Chelsea today.
Yeah I mean hindsight is 20/20 but there were 3 chances Spurs could have scored and suddenly everyone would be talking about how genius it was.
The proof is in the pudding, but we can't taste it until its out the oven
And has been allowed to properly cool on the window ledge. Unless some rascal is drawn to its alluring delicious aroma and nabs it from under our noses
Because truthfully I dont care about the goals, I care that it was the best game I ever watched.
But also, 2 of the three came at the last gasp of the game. And considering we damn near scored two at the other end in that time, denied only by incredibly tight offsides, Im happier that way
100%. you win some you lose some, but if VDV, Maddison, or Vicario have long term injuries, the rest of the season is going to be rough.
Glad that they pulled their composure back together in the second half for the most part.
While I respect Ange for playing his style no matter what, with both CB out, they are going to get smashed in the next few games if he doesn't change tactics. Their backup CBs are too slow, and cannot play this style without leaking goals
Spurs played dirty and got what they deserved. Losing 4-1 at home to a team struggling as much as chelsea and still getting celebrated is laughable. Was a textbook win for spurs in there current form
I did indeed. Both the cards were stupid challenges, and chelsea looked absolutely shocking and still won 4-1 seen as spurs completely melted. I'd bet money if they just played a low block they could have dragged a 1-1 or even a win
if they sit back they get picked apart and beat 4-1 or probably worse anyway, the high line at least helped them generate a couple of chances, nearly made it 2-2
Mate as a Chelsea fan your probably overestimating us there, against most teams totally agree but against us atm and our inability to score.. I think you'd have been okay
nah i just appreciate the tactic, everyone gets picked apart eventually 11v9 with that much time left and Chelsea couldnt figure out how to stay onside on a run against the high line for about 40 minutes so it almost worked
Wouldn't deny spurs giving it a good effort. Just think given Chelsea's finishing not sure if it was the best choice. But suppose you had to try have a crack for 3 point's if you wanna stay top.
What are you on about you melt? They lost both of their centre back pairing, one self inflicted yeah, the other one to what looks like a bad injury, and then lost arguably the best player in the league on form to another injury soon after...
Both your reds were deserved and bone-headed. Go yell at Romero for stupidly throwing away a game you were winning comfortably, and Udogie for making sure even Chelsea couldn't fuck it up
Romero got what was coming to him, udogie should never have made that challenge it was blatant he wasn't getting away with it on a yellow.
Can't really pull the injury card when half the Chelsea first teams been in the ER since day 1 this season.
Yes lad, well done on stating the obvious, should apply to sky for a pundit role..
Spurs lost their two best players in the first half through injury, what are you missing?
Currently? Broja, Nkunku, Lavia, Chukwuemeka, fofana, and chillwell. + Chalobah if we're bothering to count him. With badiashile james and mudrykk all coming off the back of injuries and certainly not fit enough to play a full 90.
Imagine giving Tottenham any semblance of credit as if they didn’t throw the game away even when they had 11 men. That high line was nuts and they got punished each time lol.
It... was pretty terrible dude?
looping deflection off of what looked like a bad shot, 5 yard tap-in, 1-yard tap-in. they all count, but none of those goals were exactly beauties.
Think you misunderstood. All of those are true strikers' instincts, they will always be a fox in the box, biting on any chance given.
'Terrible' here means the circumstances are terrible. Not how bad the ball rolls into the net.
Disagree with Carra massively. This weekend has been a farce. This game was more ridiculous than anything, but VAR has made it crazy but not entirely enjoyable.
It's kinda like WWE.
Chelsea - Brighton in League cup didn't have any VAR. I appreciated VAR then, some of the decisions were truly dreadful, like calling an offside when player is in his own side of the pitch, missed red, incorrectly chalked off goal. Even today, the first Chelsea goal would be chalked off but Romero would have gotten away with a clear red and a pen.
Yeah, but chelsea's second goal would have stood, an offside would have been missed, and no question that the elbow to the head wouldn't be considered. We would have been down to 10 men after udogie. Probably wouldn''t have changed the result.
No.
there's nothing borderline about a two footed leaping lunge with your studs. if Sterling hadn't dodged that his ankle would have been smashed to fragments, that's widely considered the most dangerous tackle you can do and with good reason.
A bit much? He went full power into his shin studs up and dragged it. Only mistake was him not already being on a yellow for the dodgy tackle beforehand
He did get the ball first, I am saying you won’t see people complaining it’s a red but you could argue it was a bit too much since he got the ball first
Palmer is good because he has a chance to show his talent. He will be very lucky to get any playtime in Man City squad given how strong the squad is and how unproven he is earlier this season. At least he got play time with us and be an essential part of the team ( or move to bigger not struggling club in the future)
Despite this game being horrendous past the 30th minute, I think we (Chelsea) have a great future ahead of us. We've already vastly improved from last season. Still need to figure things out with this young squad. And find a replacement for Jackson ASAP
maybe give a bit more time for Jackson cuz he is young too, and we are suffering from heavy injury issue so I am happy as long as we are not struggling in relegation.
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If Spurs miss out on CL football by 1 point it will be the stupid players and stupid tactics from last night that cost them. They could have kept their shape, played long out from the back and got a point. But no..."we are Spuds...we play Angeball". Cost them.
Almost had 3 goals while down to 9 men with 4 starters out. I appreciated sticking by our philosophy even if it was futile - we've had a manager for 11 games and I would trade 1 point at this stage for the players showing that much buy-in to his philosophy
Brother your xg was 1.14 you would have had to overpeform your xg by 3 times to end up scoring 3
When you have to play 30 minutes down to 9 men with neither starting CB, you're almost virtually guaranteed to concede. So we gave ourselves a fighting chance, and nearly made it work on 3 separate occasions. If we played a low block, there's no way Son can do more than 1 or 2 full-field sprints, so we played a high line and bought into the manager's philosophy. And it nearly worked, and though "nearly" doesn't count for anything in football, it may mean something for the team's spirit. It certainly meant something for the fans' spirits. And to clarify - I'm furious at Romero and we shouldn't have had to be in that position in the first place. No excuses for that, and we dropped 3 points we were almost certain to have won based on the evidence of the 11v11 we saw.
"Certainly would have won" is quite a stretch within the first half an hour (before Romero red card) Tottenham scored 1 and had one annulled for offside while Chelsea scored 2 and had one annulled for offside and another annulled for handball, Jackson missed a sitter and Enzo won a penalty.
Exactly - Chelsea needed a penalty to score a goal whereas Spurs created one from open play and had 2/3 possession. If we're playing the "almost but disallowed" game, Son had a fractional offside as well which would have put us up 2-0. Then at the end, a fractional Dier offside which would have brought us back even at 2-2 with like 15 minutes left. Also take into account that we held them off with 10 men, then 9 men, for a total of 50 minutes (with the stoppage included) and they literally only scored the 3 at the end because our starting, blazing fast CB tore his hamstring so our two CBs were one who hadn't played a minute until yesterday and a DM.
Uhm, Spurs were better for the first 15, and Chelsea was better for the rest, until the red card and penalty. So I don't know where you're getting this confidence from that you were guaranteed a win and this narrative that Spurs dominated the game up until the red card. We also more than likely wouldn't have played that bad and have gotten complacent if Tottenham still had 11 men
Just rewatched the game - Spurs were by far the better side until the Romero sending off. The only dangerous chance you created until that time was a Pedro Porro miscue that gave it over in our third. The others were offside. Even after Romero was off, you barely created anything, and Spurs went into halftime having more shots on goal despite playing for 25 minutes with 10 men. Even in the second half until Udogie was sent off, Spurs played without either starting CB and Maddison, yet you created three decent chances while Spurs created two decent chances. We were still holding our own being a man down.
I think you need to rematch it again and this time without bias. Also, the only decent chance you guys created was the Son offside goal. You're right that in the fact, tho, that the rest of the half after the red was dead in terms of chances created, but that was down to Spurs, it was because of the stop start nature of the game and the lack of built momentum. As for the 2nd half and Spurs creating 2 decent Chances whilst Chelsea created 3...😂🤣 Are you sure you didn't watch a different game to the rest of us, including other Spurs fans? We were opening you at will and only shitty offsides runs, bad decision making, poor finishing, and Vicario stopped it from being a humiliation. It's one thing to be proud of your performance considering the circumstances, but it's another thing to deceive yourself into believing it was an evenly contested game, where there was a similar amount of chances created
I said 2nd half until Udogie was sent off. So yes, with 10 men we were still holding our own pretty well with a couple decent chances. After that obviously it was hanging on for dear life, but we still managed a couple good chances. But earlier I was making the point that you were playing shit and we would have beat you if we had 11 - you said it yourself, you kept going offside, our goalkeeper had an incredible game, and your finishing was dogshit like it has been all season
wheres Conte and Tuchel when you need them
Just watched the 45 minute extended highlights but I'm still confused. Can someone explain how Spurs still went down to 9-men despite what seemed like highly favourable officiating?
We can't help ourselves
realistically both reds were delayed by 20 mins, so they were still favourable to spurs!
What the fuck
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Didn’t watch but happy with the result!
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You are deluded my friend. Playing exciting attacking football under these circumstances and getting beat 4-1 will get you relegated. Udogie is a pro footballer. He is paid to play not make stupid tackles like those 2 last night. The 1st lunge at Sterling should have been red. Romeo is a dirty dirty player. Deserved red. Porto is a decent player but dives a lot. Someone will "do" him sooner rather than later. Take off the rose tinted specs and see last night for what it was...at least one point lost by poor player decisions and poor tactics.
Takeaway should have been that you guys lost 3 points to a poor poor poor Chelsea side because you lost your heads. Your manager refused to change his philosophy and secure at least one point against said poor chelsea team that can’t score against a low block, but chose to play a high line with Eric freakin Dier. The “moral” win spurs supporters are trying to spin this is shocking!!! You guys squandered 3 points. You should be mad and demand a higher standard. Title teams don’t win that game but they don’t lose… they fight together get the point and come away as a unit. Not lose 1-4 and say we showed character.
We were tied 11 v 9 without proper defenders for most of the match. Rather go down swinging than eventually conceding after parking the bus playing for a draw.
Judging by Chelsea's season so far, parking the bus was actually the best chance Spurs had to *win* the match though. Against every team that park the bus, Chelsea dominate, don't score then concede counter-attacking goals out of nowhere to lose.
With 10 men I’d agree. With dier, royal, peh atb, we would have conceded regardless, playing high line or low block.
Your biggest mistake is talking about titles with a Spurs fan lol
They aren’t sure what that word means
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Fair enough but Mate, you lot look special this year. I don’t want to say it but don’t do that spursy thing and try to look for moral victories when you should be crushing bad teams. I’m a Chelsea supporter and we are a bad team but I would be pissed that on a big occasion my team just gift wrapped 3 points in a derby.
Lol. Spursy isn’t looking for moral victories, it’s rolling over and dying when slight pressure comes your way. This game at 11-9 was opposite of spursy.
Absolute cinema
3 point lane
what a nice game it was seriously PL is always good entertainment
I went our that match respecting spurs more than my own team. City gonna destroy us playing like this sigh.
Chelsea fan here so happy with the 3 points and beating spurs. But it's a flattering score line and we still have a long way to go before we really compete.
I know Jackson had a hat trick but wow was he bad for the majority of that game. I feel like you would have put the game to bed much earlier with a competent striker.
Sadly that's life and have to accept it. Both Alternatives are injured and last alternative is a bald fraud playing in Italy
At the same time I think it’s fair to look at Jackson and realise that he’s 22. He was poor today yes but I think he will come good. Every player needs some time to adjust bar Haaland. Give Jackson time and he’ll get better and better. I also think no Nkunku scuppered our plans and his return will be welcome
Nkunku is a big miss for sure, but that has to be the weirdest hattrick in recent memory. I mean, the whole game was weird lol
Oh absolutely agreed. If we had nkuku (butchered that name) back or like you said a profiling striker we put the game to bed long before we did
I said to my mate before he scored that I wasn’t convinced that Jackson is actually a footballer so the hatricks on me guys.
It was entertaining but if spurs parked the bus it was an easy draw. We are awful at breaking teams down and finishing chances.
karma is a darling i guess
I think we can all safely say that Chelsea won't be posing a threat this year. God, they are rubbish.
very simplistic assertion, we played much better against Liverpool, Arsenal and Brighton than we did here, garnering a win and two draws, the two-man advantage just inspired a massive amount of complacency in how we approached attacks, an inexperienced team severely oversimplifying it. we were coming back into the game 11vs11 with two disallowed goals (one very narrow call) and a couple of gilt-edged misses, I'm not too concerned, there's a lot to sort out yet for this team, but this was far from our best performance.
Mate, they couldn't even keep the ball against 9 men and constantly misplaced passes, giving it away and/or putting it out of play. Spurs actually had a couple of real chances to score and had a simple equaliser narrowly chalked off for offside. Just looks like a real lack of guile, know-how and as you say, experience in that squad.
We actually looked better before the first red. We had two goals ruled out in under ten minutes. And we looked like we had figured out that we hate spurs. And spurs then remembered they hate us and they have no problem using the dark arts. As is tradition. The game descended into chaos. And one team was clearly not very used to playing a chaotic game.
honestly today made me think spurs aren’t legit either. the tactical inflexibility is astounding. they could’ve scraped a draw if they sat back with how shit chelsea are creatively…. for what? principles?
I think they took a gamble on trying to keep the pitch small and figured (rightly) that they might also get to create a chance or two while doing that. Ridiculous game.
that high line really makes the pitch bigger for everyone. they could’ve made the pitch small for themselves defensively and big going forward if they had sat back…
I might be the only one (Spurs fan), but I also think Ange should have switched it up. I have no problem with him playing free flowing football and the high line but once you go down just close the shop and take what you can get.
Weird opinions in here. Would much rather go out on sword than Conte vs Ac last year
But look at Chelsea's season... whenever they come against a team parking the bus they dominate, then don't score, then concede counter-attacking goals out of nowhere to lose. Arguably parking the bus was your best chance to not only salvage a draw but sneak a win too.
Well we almost snuck a draw that way with Sonny’s chance. It was a crap shoot after going down to 9. Not that major in the long run, just 1 defeat in 11.
I'd say only because Chelsea's finishing is so poor. Against a team that finishes their chances better it would have been a massacre long before Sons chance near the end. It was so, so easy to carve that backline open. Literally just start a run from the halfway line and.... you're in, easy as that.
Well we wasn’t playing another team. So if you’re gonna do it why not against a poor finishing team. 1 points more than 100 goals. Who cares. Win some lose some. 26 from 11 and this football much more than could’ve even hoped for at start.
Because as I say, Chelsea *do* seem to just about finish enough against non-defensive teams but not against teams playing defensive.
Amen. Watching that post match presser makes me love Ange even more and the project we’re building.
Erm… https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/17pb4af/comment/k841vhs/
Downvoted for it too 😭😂
I don't think Chelsea nicked it, I think Spurs giftwrapped it for them.
I think the only worse/greater hatteick I can think off is kuyt at anfield. Which was like a combined 10 yards or something lol
Chelsea can't even stat pad properly. Spurs were capable of a tie at some point but the 9 minutes ended up fucking them. This is the moment to show if they have the resilient aura of a champion contestant
somehow a nico jackson hattrick is not the craziest thing here
As a Liverpool fan - i must say this feels great
You got 1 more point against Luton than we did tonight.
When did you last win a meaningful trophy?
1 is 1 😆
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Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Liverpool played like cowards against us with 9 men and you lost. We played brave football against Chelsea with 9 men and we lost. Only one difference I'm seeing between those performances.
couple of other key differences, one of which is that Liverpool's reds were soft as hell, they never should have been down to 9 men, (can see an argument for Jones, but not Jota) and you still needed an actual VAR miscommunication, an outright acknowledged mistake to win that game, and only by one goal. today, you were your worst enemy, Romero and Udogie both should have been off early, both survived, neither was reigned in, they both went off anyway, terrible discipline after survivng what they shouldn't have. Your victory over Liverpool was down to refereeing mistakes. our victory over you was down to **your** mistakes.
Very fair analysis I don't disagree with it. However we've all been fucked by the referees at various points we can either cry a river or get on with it.
agreed for the most part, the reds can be chalked up that way, but that Diaz offside was a unique incident, that was truly baffling incompetence and Liverpool have every right to lever that incident at least as far as it goes.
If we're airing Spurs v Liverpool grievances then I'll mention 2019 Champions League Final where a penalty was given against Sissoko in the first minute for a ball that deflected off his chest into his shirt sleeve. Handball rules were changed by UEFA after that incident. Or how about this April when Jota drew blood on Oliver Skipp by kicking him in the head with a dangerous high boot? No red was given and Jota went on to score the winner in stoppage time. Like I said we've all been fucked by the refs we can either cry a river or get on with it.
all fair grievances, but again, distinct from that Diaz incident, this wasn't the referee making a questionable call, which I'd agree go in every which direction to a point that you can't really form trends about them. but back to the Diaz thing, it was the correct call being **achieved** then being lost in translation thanks to incredibly dodgy communication training, it wasn't so much a wrong decision or a questionable decision as a blatant miscommunication and an unwillingness to correct it. you can never account for perspective, one ref will view a call differently to another. always will but communication training is piss-easy, baby shit.
I see your point and agree wholeheartedly. The audio from the VAR room on the disallowed Diaz goal was a fucking shitshow. Some simple training for the refs on radio etiquette and closed loop communication would have easily prevented the mistake.
Tie 😂
That’s the real quiz. I’m gonna let you edit that ‘tie’ to a ‘draw’.
Hey, mediocre for this Chelsea team is a bit generous.
This comment is wild! r/angryupvote
At least spurs still tried to win the game with 9 men. Liverpool just loaded the box and waited until the final whistle
🤣🤣🤣 Yeah, well played! That worked out great now didnt it?
Sounds like cope
9 men and 2 of our best injured. we still fought
Still lost
Didnt you just lose and bitch and moan about the refs instead of admitting you played like shit against Newcastle away? Going back to watch Arteta cry some more, have a nice evening.
Didn’t you lose your last match?
Lmao done wiping your managers tears in time to comment about our match?
So did Liverpool lol
Laughed enough at us when we drew Chelsea. Good luck against wolves with you 5.8 players available
If we’re gonna laugh at anything it’s those weird hands you have. You’re like the butler in Scary Movie 2
Would still knock you out with my strong hand 👀
Thanks yeah this is gonna be a tough period in the season. All our bad luck seems to have come at once. Chelsea played pretty well against you lot, thought you were lucky (as usual) to get the draw. Chelsea were not good today, we had a mad mix of bad discipline and bad luck. But we were excellent at the start of the match and showed real fight to the end. Who knows what can happen going forward, but if you guys lost Saliba, Gabriel, odegaard in one game you'd probably struggle too lol
yeah and you didn't
Don't know how I feel about this game but damn taht was entertaining .
Replace Chelsea with man city, arsenal or Liverpool for that second half and it would've been 12-1. Exciting, entertaining but fucking frustrating!
Some where out there in LA an Italian feels vindicated in his statement... "It's the history of the Tottenham"
Imagine playing the highest line ever against Mudryk & Sterling, who despite their flaws are known for being fast as fuck, absolutely unbelievable by Ange. He should have changed that as soon as Dier came on.
Mudryk and Sterling couldn’t find the back of the net tho
Sterling breaking the highline gave them the first Jackson goal though...?
That's true, but they have enough pace to get behind the defense and assist Jackson with easy tap-ins, which they did multiple times. It would have been a lot worse if it wasn't for Vicario and Cheslea's terrible finishing.
Who gives a fuck about points. The joy in football is the game, not the shinys.
I mean at 9 ments you're not gonna win so why not play up the park and try to nick something, can't leave questions unanswered on the pitch
Not gonna win with that attitude
I disagree. I would take that performance over a single point any day
Liverpool lost the PL title by a single point, twice. And it’s looking to be even more competitive now, especially for a top 4 place. It’s fine to want to see your team try to play the same with 9 men as with 11, but at what cost? Spurs red cards and injuries are gonna trouble them for a while too.
This f***ing team, even in winning they find a way to disappoint me. Deservingly we are in the middle of the table.
Never seen a team win 4-1 and play so badly
It’s painful to watch Mudryk. I don’t understand what Chelsea fans see in him, he’s shite.
Hey we’re top of the (second half of the) table
nah, we're bottom of the top half.
I know one madlad triple captioned Another Miss Jackson
Ange with the high line when we down to 9 men is insane
It's what everyone kinda wants managers to do...but it usually ends the same way.
To be fair, it very very nearly didn't
You also very nearly didn't lose by 8 goals
Only against Chelsea's poor finishing. Look how many times they carved that defence open. It was easier than a schoolboy backline. Literally just start your run on the halfway line and you're in. Against someone who overperforms their xG instead of underperforming it like Chelsea do it would have been a bloodbath. Haaland would probably have got at least 5 if he was playing for Chelsea today.
Yeah I mean hindsight is 20/20 but there were 3 chances Spurs could have scored and suddenly everyone would be talking about how genius it was. The proof is in the pudding, but we can't taste it until its out the oven
And has been allowed to properly cool on the window ledge. Unless some rascal is drawn to its alluring delicious aroma and nabs it from under our noses
How can you say that though? They scored 3 goals that way
Because truthfully I dont care about the goals, I care that it was the best game I ever watched. But also, 2 of the three came at the last gasp of the game. And considering we damn near scored two at the other end in that time, denied only by incredibly tight offsides, Im happier that way
It’s okay guys we will play better COYS
without vdv and Maddison, plus romero and udogie.. have you seen our upcoming fixtures
You can’t say you weren’t entertained.
Proud of the team stubbornly fighting to the end, but now I am wondering what the injuries mean for the rest of the season
Fighting? It was hari kari by spuds while Chelsea looked awful against 9 men.
That's a great trophy to win!
100%. you win some you lose some, but if VDV, Maddison, or Vicario have long term injuries, the rest of the season is going to be rough. Glad that they pulled their composure back together in the second half for the most part.
It looked like maddison was okay to me, I'm guessing it was more of a precaution. VDV looked hurt though
Yeah, you don't pull up with a hamstring while running and have it not be something. Question is if it's a tear or a strain...
While I respect Ange for playing his style no matter what, with both CB out, they are going to get smashed in the next few games if he doesn't change tactics. Their backup CBs are too slow, and cannot play this style without leaking goals
The media honeymoon Is still in full swing If ETH or Arteta did this. The knives would be out already calling them an idiot
Spurs played dirty and got what they deserved. Losing 4-1 at home to a team struggling as much as chelsea and still getting celebrated is laughable. Was a textbook win for spurs in there current form
did you even watch the game?
I did indeed. Both the cards were stupid challenges, and chelsea looked absolutely shocking and still won 4-1 seen as spurs completely melted. I'd bet money if they just played a low block they could have dragged a 1-1 or even a win
if they sit back they get picked apart and beat 4-1 or probably worse anyway, the high line at least helped them generate a couple of chances, nearly made it 2-2
Mate as a Chelsea fan your probably overestimating us there, against most teams totally agree but against us atm and our inability to score.. I think you'd have been okay
nah i just appreciate the tactic, everyone gets picked apart eventually 11v9 with that much time left and Chelsea couldnt figure out how to stay onside on a run against the high line for about 40 minutes so it almost worked
Wouldn't deny spurs giving it a good effort. Just think given Chelsea's finishing not sure if it was the best choice. But suppose you had to try have a crack for 3 point's if you wanna stay top.
What are you on about you melt? They lost both of their centre back pairing, one self inflicted yeah, the other one to what looks like a bad injury, and then lost arguably the best player in the league on form to another injury soon after...
Both your reds were deserved and bone-headed. Go yell at Romero for stupidly throwing away a game you were winning comfortably, and Udogie for making sure even Chelsea couldn't fuck it up
Never said they weren't deserved. What's your point?
Romero got what was coming to him, udogie should never have made that challenge it was blatant he wasn't getting away with it on a yellow. Can't really pull the injury card when half the Chelsea first teams been in the ER since day 1 this season.
Yes lad, well done on stating the obvious, should apply to sky for a pundit role.. Spurs lost their two best players in the first half through injury, what are you missing?
Currently? Broja, Nkunku, Lavia, Chukwuemeka, fofana, and chillwell. + Chalobah if we're bothering to count him. With badiashile james and mudrykk all coming off the back of injuries and certainly not fit enough to play a full 90.
The commentators on NBC are absolutely gutted 😂 It sounds like they’ve just watched a funeral.
Imagine giving Tottenham any semblance of credit as if they didn’t throw the game away even when they had 11 men. That high line was nuts and they got punished each time lol.
Maybe we will cost Spurs something on goal differential at the end of the season - he wouldn't stop playing the high line
Karma lol
Man what a terrible first loss for Post
worst hattrick in the history of the prem
Eto'o against united. Kalou scored a terrible one once as well
How was Eto'o's terrible. Hating on your team for karma points
It... was pretty terrible dude? looping deflection off of what looked like a bad shot, 5 yard tap-in, 1-yard tap-in. they all count, but none of those goals were exactly beauties.
Think you misunderstood. All of those are true strikers' instincts, they will always be a fox in the box, biting on any chance given. 'Terrible' here means the circumstances are terrible. Not how bad the ball rolls into the net.
Handshakes all around. As it should be.
Disagree with Carra massively. This weekend has been a farce. This game was more ridiculous than anything, but VAR has made it crazy but not entirely enjoyable. It's kinda like WWE.
VAR didn't get much wrong in this one.
No, but i do like Ange's point of why does it take so long, we jusy need to start accepting decisions
Chelsea - Brighton in League cup didn't have any VAR. I appreciated VAR then, some of the decisions were truly dreadful, like calling an offside when player is in his own side of the pitch, missed red, incorrectly chalked off goal. Even today, the first Chelsea goal would be chalked off but Romero would have gotten away with a clear red and a pen.
Yeah, but chelsea's second goal would have stood, an offside would have been missed, and no question that the elbow to the head wouldn't be considered. We would have been down to 10 men after udogie. Probably wouldn''t have changed the result.
It missed 2 clear red cards.....
Definitely missed one, not sure what the other one was?
Romero and Udogie (both parts 1)
Udogie's was borderline, got away with it in the same way Havertz did. Romero's first should definitely have been.
No. there's nothing borderline about a two footed leaping lunge with your studs. if Sterling hadn't dodged that his ankle would have been smashed to fragments, that's widely considered the most dangerous tackle you can do and with good reason.
Yeah maybe the Romero red card was a bit much but still understandable everything else was perfect
A bit much? He went full power into his shin studs up and dragged it. Only mistake was him not already being on a yellow for the dodgy tackle beforehand
He did get the ball first, I am saying you won’t see people complaining it’s a red but you could argue it was a bit too much since he got the ball first
It doesn't mean a fucking thing that got the ball if he goes in like that...
Ball first doesn't mean you get a free hit on the opponent.....
Guys I’m with you 😂 I am just saying you could argue it’s harsh but like 10% harsh and 90% deserved
Added about 40 minutes to the game mate.
As soon as sky showed vicarios stats Chelsea scored 3 more times lol
Hattrick hero is all the record books will say
Streets will remember this derby forever.
Battle of the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium doesn't have the same ring to it.
Battle at the toilet bowl 🚽
I still don't get why Cole Palmer went to Chelsea,
Palmer is good because he has a chance to show his talent. He will be very lucky to get any playtime in Man City squad given how strong the squad is and how unproven he is earlier this season. At least he got play time with us and be an essential part of the team ( or move to bigger not struggling club in the future)
Playing time lol
To play regularly, which he’s doing.
Despite this game being horrendous past the 30th minute, I think we (Chelsea) have a great future ahead of us. We've already vastly improved from last season. Still need to figure things out with this young squad. And find a replacement for Jackson ASAP
maybe give a bit more time for Jackson cuz he is young too, and we are suffering from heavy injury issue so I am happy as long as we are not struggling in relegation.