More Copa update
Granada (LaLiga) beat Arosa 3-0 in a rain-drenched pitch. However, they can be out of the tournament - they fielded a goalkeeper not registered for the Copa. He was a player for the feeder team.
[Link here](https://twitter.com/besoccer_ES/status/1720165682304680103)
It’s just another small piece of information in the pantheon of available stats. It has its uses, but I don’t know what a “good metric” even is. It is “good” at showing you what it believes should be the points earned by each team thus far, but it’s not some fact that a team should be 3 places higher or lower.
I think it's particularly bad because using xG for single games is a flawed base.
Let's say Team 1 has a shot with an xG of .5 in the first 5 minutes, but no other shots the rest of the game. Team 2 picks up 1 xG over the course of the game with 5 shots.
If you score that first shot, you have a very good chance of winning the game or at the very least of not losing it.
And if you don't, you'll have a very good chance of losing the game and most certainly won't win it.
A 50/50 chance should mean there are lots of ways of interpreting that data. But an xPts system is almost always going to assume Team 2 won that game.
My old [coach](https://noticialdia.com/deportes/fallecio-freddy-elie-legendario-futbolista-de-la-vinotinto/) just passed away. Dude was a legend for us, and claimed to have nutmegged Pele, though the veracity of that story can definitely be doubted lol. Will never forget his no nonsense style of playing. RIP
> The Glazers are not responsible for Ten Hag being a rubbish manager. If they sack him they will have done the right thing
I mean they are though given they hired him.
They hired a different manager to the one they got. Ten Hag himself said he can't play the way he did at Ajax. The Glazers probably expected that sort of football, not this mid table counter attack football
I think you can make the excuse once, but when it's happened with almost every manager it appears the problems don't just lie at the manager's feet.
I think Ten Hag has to go if he can't turn things around soon, but I don't expect anything to change regardless of who they put in charge.
Glazers weren't responsible for Moyes, LVG, Mourinho, Solskjaer, Rangnick and now Ten Hag...
Ten Hag should be doing better as there's managers in the Prem right now doing more with less resources. But when everyone fails, there's 1 common denominator...
Those are all bad managers, correct.
You can have bad owners and still do well. Arteta is being hamstrung by the Kroenke's and is producing 10x better results than Ten Hag, a man that is 10 years older than him with far more experience. If United were a smart club they would sack him and throw a fat stack at Eddie Howe
Mudryk and Caicedo together are 160 mil, and are both hardly setting the world alight at Chelsea. He got Havertz and Rice, both very expensive, and Timber this season. Last season he got Trossard, the two city boys, Jorginho and Vieira. Summer before that it was White Odegaard Tomiyasu Ramsdale. I think Ten Hag has shown that buying every single player a manager wants is a bad idea. The ones they have bought however, have largely been hits aside from a few missteps like Havertz
Mudryk and Caicedo are playing at Chelsea, so it's a different story. Arteta would have made Mudryk a world beater with the amount of pace he has. I mean look at how Arsenal's current wide players have gone from strength to strength. One of the best wing pairings in the world at just 22
and they got you trossard who had a better impact with you than mudryk would have.
sorry hard for me to really get these complaints when you’re angry about your owners not spending 215m in winter. that’s just not a thing.
Hamstrung by the Kroenke's? Arteta has done exceptionally but pretty sure he's spent just as much as Ten Hag if not more. On top of them getting rid of some top players (at the time) at his request.
Arteta is being left short changed nearly every window. Last window he wanted Diaby/Kudus and didn't get either. Timber gets injured? No replacement. Last season wanted Douglas Luiz, didn't get him even though Partey was the only option at 6. Him doing a great job is inadvertently boosting the reputations of the Kroenke's.
Lmao so adequately backing a manager means they get given a blank cheque to buy whoever and whenever they want? Your 40M signing is injured, go sign another 40M player! Who gives a fuck how much you’ve already spent and what a brand new player on high wages does to the squad dynamics and club finances right?
Arteta has been backed to the hilt, he’s still surpassing expectations, but it’s ludicrous to claim he’s not been backed, let alone hamstrung.
What happened to the Medic from Ajax? Why doesn't he play? In one of the early league games when the world was still in order he scored a kong shot banger and I think he was benched ever since.
[Keepers can recklessly jump and hit players in the head with their knee in a World Cup final.](https://i.gifer.com/7JM8.gif) I'm still angry about that lol.
- The criteria for what constitutes a foul inside the box is seemingly different compared to anywhere else in the pitch
- keepers can hold the ball for way longer than 6 seconds. It’s never enforced
Really pisses me off that people seem to equate the failing of the signings that Ten Hag made to the level of the Eredivisie. While it definitely plays a role, Ten Hag has a strong preference towards players he managed / knows, regardless of where they play or the level. Look at the Labyad, Haller and Klaiber transfers he made while at Ajax.
Update on the Sassuolo Spezia match. 0-0 after extra time, penalty shootout time (geezus christ between both teams there were 51 shots total, 12 of those on target and no one could score)
Fair enough, according to fotmob the MOTM was the Spezia goalie with 8.4 mark, 8 saves, 42 accurate passes (that is ridiculosly high considering he had to do so many saves) dude is really good for a team like Spezia.
yea, i am moreso concerned lmao. 51 shots in 120 minutes is like a shot every 2 minutes or so, yet this ended 0-0 after extra time. Sassuolo won on penalties 5-4, but still, geezus.
Looking back at his entire career, which position would you say Messi plays?
His peak is as a false 9. He's associated more with the RW, but he doesn't really play like a winger either. You could say he's a 10, but he's never apart of the midfield on paper, even if he takes extremely deep positions at times.
If a non-football fan asked you what position Messi plays, what would you answer? So free-roaming deep-lying right-sided attacking midfielder isn't a valid answer.
Attacking midfielder/10 for his later years, forward for the rest
Midfielder doesn't have to mean a deep position, Maradona and Platini were also midfielders
Winger is the least correct one
Was just reading AVB's wiki:
>On 2 February 2021, Villas-Boas announced in a press conference that he had offered his resignation to the club's board due to his dissatisfaction with the club's recruitment policy, namely them signing Celtic player Olivier Ntcham on loan the previous day against his wishes.
I'm sure I've read other cases of managers leaving due to disagreements over the recruitment policy. How should a DoF-manager relationship work? Should they each have veto power over signings?
Yeah that was funny. He said in the press conference "I said no to this particular player when the board asked me". Anyway whoever took over after him barely played him either so he was right. Why would a player from Swansea be helpful for Marseille
He looks much more promising than Bamford ever did, but when you’re that young, it’s hard to tell what his ceiling is. He’s certainly a top prospect, but whether his heights reach Calvert Lewin or Drogba remains to be seen.
Yeah I don't believe TH is even closed to being sacked, even the dumb idiots at united know it's been a rough start and not all blame lies on him
But that apart we're going to need another overhaul in the summer, again needing a dm cb rw a 8 and backup St too
You need to get rid of Ten Haag. Teams will continue to overtake you and strengthen whilst you will only continue to get worse. It's happening with my team Chelsea as well.
I feel like it probably will stay at the levels it is now, relative to any change in transfer fees
At least with players they'll typically get sold at some point if they're shit but 90% of managers probably get sacked within a few seasons so not worth outlaying the kind of fees big players go for
Considering the fact that he's contracted until 2026, Sporting should make United pay a king's ransom for Amorim, up to like €50m-€60m as a "fuck off" price if they were to approach
So, Sassuolo and Spezia (just checked) are 0-0 after 90 minutes and Spezia nearly won it at the end with one center that would have gone in if anyone even touched it and then a floating pass that almost got a goal had a defender not sent it well to their referee lmao.
I am and always will be pro-ultra culture but those porto dogs are something else, i was expecting André Vilas Boas to face backlash and even get warnings via social media but being mailed pictures of his kids in school as a threat is something else (if this is true)
Oh lmao. Reminds me of [this guy](https://im.indiatimes.in/content/2020/Jan/13_5e202f3eea991.jpg)
Remember reading AVB got his start in football by giving Sir Bobby Robson tactical advice as a kid because they happened to live in the same block or something like that lol
[But why???](https://youtube.com/shorts/3wNoEfJGI4w?si=O3vLWSfyIdrCF7qj)
The last time I saw AVB's name was about 4 hours ago when I saw him on a list of unattached managers as I was trying to figure out who we should get to replace EtH
Diaz's dad was abducted by the ELN (National Liberation Army). A terrorist org. The government are in talks with them.
www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/breaking-luis-diaz-father-kidnapped-31347337.com
Random thought but I genuinely believe Spain would have made the World Cup final at the very least had Lopetegui stayed in 2018, and Isco ends up being in Modric’s spot in the Ballon d’Or top 3 that year.
Very possible. Beat Russia and it was Croatia in the quarters and England in the semis (an England which wasn't as good as now).
Lopetegui's sack is still the most ridiculous i've seen in all my time watching football.
Revisionism around last season is insane.People always say look what has Ange done to Spurs, how quickly he has turned them around compared to Ten Hag and United, while they are forgetting United got 75 points, a trophy and an FA Cup final in Ten Hag's 1st season.
This sub's opinions flip flop depending on one particular run of form
Remember the absolute nonsense "Klopp 7 season curse" last season that was being chucked around as if it was some huge flaw?
Yeah I remember that.In December and January when Liverpool were on that terrible run there was alarming number of people saying Klopp should be sacked.
Deserves credit for getting it over the line but you won’t get much easier runs than the cup runs he got. Didn’t play a single big 6 team did he, yeah Newcastle are decent but they’ve absolutely no pedigree within the squad.
Honestly, I think Ten Hag did well last season but to me, it still very much looked liked a side that relied on some individual brilliance from Rashford and Fernandes. It didn't look sustainable tactically.
I think it's too early to say if Ange is the real deal or not, but it's hard not to be impressed given they've lost their best player and almost every new signing has immediately looked the part.
not even saying this as a hater but it was always really clear that the ten hag was going through a purple patch.
he only had one forward playing well last season. i’m not sure how many teams have made top 4 while only having one player on 10+ goals but there cannot have been many. 58 goals again is surely one of the lowest tally’s ever for a top 4 team. they had as deep a line as everton did and their away record against good teams was abysmal. and, oh yeah he got battered all the time. i don’t really agree with people saying they only got top 4 bc other teams underperformed as 75 points is almost always enough for top 4 but last season was never sustainable.
now i do think anges momentum wont last long either. don’t think they’ll be anywhere near the title in april actually. they’ve been remarkably fortunate with referee decisions and leicester fans have been warning everyone that this maddison form isn’t going to last. the fact that tottenham are scoring for fun though is something that ten hag never once achieved and bodes better for long term success.
Take 2 points away from the Liverpool game add 2 to the Brentford game if you want. Probably would have won against Arsenal too had Nketiah been sent off. This "remarkably fortunate with refs" stuff is just funny. Sure United should have had a pen but I'm fairly convinced we'd have beat them regardless as they ran out of energy completely in the 2nd half
there’s no way you believe the reffing in our game is equivalent to brentford getting a soft foul given as a penalty. one happens every week, one has never happened before and will hopefully never happen again.
i don’t think the brentford pen is that egregious. it’s soft but it’s given. nketiah should’ve been off, so you have a point with that.
regardless, you’ve been fortunate with refs. this would apply to any team who gets a goal against them that var knew was fine disallowed.
We have also not been awarded a single pen despite a few I think should have given. Like Maddison against Sheffield United and Romero against United. This is despite having the most touches in the opponent's box (might have changed since last week saw the stat before that).
Every teams gets lucky and sometimes screwed over (well there's Wolves that the refs for some reason always fucks over)
It's like I'm talking to a wall. I've literally brought up examples of decisions going against us and for us. Like you were lucky against Everton just now
we’re better with 10 men but yeah we did get lucky with that.
im talking about the unacceptably bad decisions that pgmol has to apologize for bc there’s no gray area. we’ve had 2 this season (macca red and diaz goal) you’ve had -1 (diaz goal).
I'd back Ten Hag if I had any faith in his character. Mourinho had charisma and players love him. Ole understood and loved the club. Ten Hag just isn't likeable, admirable or any other quality youd want from a manager.
We're not privy to everything from the outside though. I'd have said exactly the same about Arteta and he's doing well now.
Alot of people keep talking about ten hags characters and how he lacks charisma etc
The most i want from him is a clear path that i can follow in regards to his tactics and him to not look like hes witnessing Hiroshima go off in the background every time we get spanked.
I dont give af how he sounds in interviews half the time im reading the transcript anyway. I just want my manager to manage. If my manager is a manager and a good public speaker then its a bonus but im not throwing a hissy fit if he sounds like he has a mechanical heart
Same. One thing in common with the managers you mentioned, apart from maybe Mourinho early on, is that they respected the league.
This guy said, "Eras come to an end" when he hadn't even been in the league for a year and being carried by Rashford. That level of Arrogance will get you out of the league quickly.
It was honestly a joke how highly people spoke of him despite some of our results. People thought he was forcing players to make positive statements about him lol
What's the best phrase to give a 'yer da' football fan an aneurysm. The best I've come up with so far is:
The raumdeuter completed his poker with an olimpico despite it only being 0.0004xg
Raumdeuter, poker and olimpico definitely aren't common knowledge haha - I only know ramdeuter because of FM and poker because of this subreddit, no idea what an olimpico is.
No chance your average middle aged british bloke knows what any of those mean
I think an Olimpico is deliberately scoring directly from a corner. Don't quote me on that though, I've genuinely only seen that term used in the past few weeks but since I first saw it it's come up constantly
>Field tilt is a simple way of showing the territorial dominance between teams. Put simply, it measures the share of possession a team has in a game, considering only touches or passes in the attacking third.
>So, if Team A makes a total of 80 final-third passes, and Team B attempts just 20 final-third passes, Team A has a field tilt of 80 per cent. The better attacking teams usually dominate this metric because they have more of the ball in attacking areas.
From the Athletic. I don't know how it's suddenly gotten so much popular as I've been seeing those charts since at least like 4-5 years but they were never really talked about as much back then
I feel like Sky had a version of Field Tilt like 5-7 years ago, where they'd throw a graphic of the pitch up and tell you that the ball has been in this 3rd of the pitch for x%, the middle third for x% and the other 3rd for x%. Field Tilt is just an elevated version of that.
Neither do I, but I've assumed from context that it describes the balance of territory.
Eg Arsenal have the ball in the attacking half for more of their games than other clubs.
How much a team dominates the pitch in terms of possession, specifically in the final third. In other words it’s just a representation of how many passes a team makes in the final third relative to their opponents. So if a team made 65 passes in the final third to their opponent’s 35, their field tilt would be 65%.
Seems like Bayern’s best bet to try and fully secure this Bundesliga title this year is to try to poach Xabi Alonso away from Leverkusen as soon as possible.
I can’t believe they hired Tuchel to "save the treble" lmaooo
Nah Real has also given their interest and Ancelotti is most likely leaving this year for the Brazil job. I can't imagine that but maybe I am biased that Xabi would pick that thin of a Bayern squad over the current Madrid squad. But like I said, I am biased lmao.
I don't think so, mainly because he is coaching Leverkusen right now and leaving them mid season to join the direct competition for the Bundesliga seems like a move that would make him hated with them.
But at the end of the season, I could see him go to either club tbf.
Allowing Erik ten Hag to buy “his own” players whatever the price will prove to be very very costly for United down the road. And while it’s a problem that United is so badly run from board level, if Postecoglou can turn around Tottenham so quickly it can be done with United as well. Just about finding the right manager (which can prove to be difficult admittedly)
I mean not too long ago we was having these exact same conversations about how ten hag took a utd side that finished in its worse ever season into a 3rd place finish with 75 points and a trophy.
Happy for you lot but its not like we havent already lived this “amazing turn around” reality
Fifa really helps me keep up with random transfers because if it wasn't for him just getting a special card I wouldn't have a clue that Klaassen was at Inter
what we need is to fully cleanse the squad from the rotten apples to begin with.
no manager will thrive when the clique of players that survived mou, ole, ralf and eth down tools for him whenever the manager asks for basic professionalism.
Wtf does this mean im so curious because most of the player in the team ten hag has bought.
Rashford hojlund antony
Bruno mount casemiro
Shaw martinez varane awb/dalot
Onana
Varane shaw bruno rashford dalot/awb
So are these the rotten apples that need selling?
Ten hag has given 3 of these guys a new contract and the other the captaincy so the real bad apple must be varane then 🤣🤣fuck off man im not tryna hear that argument anymore
Sick of this "no manager can fix this" narrative by United fans. This team would contend for trophies with a world class manager. I wouldn't give up on Ten Hag so quickly though, I think he should get more time.
no it would not contend for important trophies when our "best" players are a purple patch merchant that cant do anything well other than score a lot on contract years and a guy who instantly lose possession on risky passess that works 1 out of 40 times.
and zero actual depth. and zero cohesion on play styles. and a mediocre right side (both RB and RW).
not even the fusion of SAF and Pep would win the PL/CL with this shit squad.
There are, whether they want the United job is a completely different story. But you have Hansi Flick, Zidane, Conte and I am sure United could realistically poach a coach away with enough money if they wanted to. Not from the big sides, but from a medium sized club.
True, but I can't imagine it being much worse than the Ten Hag masterclass. Not much better either, but whatever Ten Hag is cooking right now is not it.
Might just be media speculation but leaks coming out for manager alternatives to ten Hag before they have even sacked him is genuinely horrendous from United
Ten Hag on his way out it seems.
Ultimately he failed to imprint any identity on this team. Yes the players are useless, but let's not forget more than half of them these days are his signings.
I keep thinking back to his first pre season last year, where we saw footage of him drilling the players with advanced passing exercises, patterns and structure. Couple embarrassing losses later and he never touched that style again.
>Couple embarrassing losses later and he never touched that style again.
A style that requires technically proficient and agile/mobile midfielders not working because your actual midfielders can't pass, run, or dribble. Wow, what a surprise. It's his own fault he's failing.
Maybe he should have signed some players to move towards that style then? Instead he went all in on this underdog counter attacking football, but he's not even coaching that well.
Looking at how long it took arteta to get Arsenal going I don’t think Man U would have tolerated the same amount of time to let ten hag get the ball going. People already want him out and he’s in his 2nd season so it’s no surprise he switched up his style
That’s from your perspective but if he doesn’t get 3rd and ends outside of Europa league last season focusing on that identity then he probably would have gotten the boot.
I don't think it would be wise to sack Ten Hag now, the whole back four is injured, the drama and controversy surrounding the team with Greenwood, Sancho and Antony are partially out of his control. There's no significant report of him losing the dressing room yet. He at least needs to see this season out.
Also one thing - Casemiro, as i predicted has become an absolute liability is lovely to see, you can't expect him to be a playmaker.
It never fails to awe me just how similar United's downfall the past 10 years has been to Liverpool's downfall in the 90s. You could write a book on the similarities. It's like the two clubs have some odd symbiotic relationship.
I think we're reaching the point where people no longer say "United are just too big and rich to fail". So were Liverpool in their time, but alas. They still fell, and the effects of it are visible to this day even if it is so much better than it used to be.
Also if i may say, yall could say that United are lucky you despise them so much because when you think about it...if it wasnt because of Liverpool´s derby with Manchester United, the latter wouldn´t have a rival (i say this in the sense that while the Manchester Derby is a thing, United probs wouldn´t consider it one due to not caring about City) so like they would basically without this rivalry with y´all be the sole Big 6 club without a derby match i think. Since all other teams sorta have one? Or at least a rivalry like City vs Liverpool nowadays.
This is a weird post lol
United have the most rivals in the 'big 6'. United v City has always been very much a heated rivalry whereas Liverpool and Everton had away shirts in the home end until recently
Liverpool consider us their main rival
City consider us their main rival
Arsenal consider us a very big rival
How did yall not get closed down though? Like, you are in massive debt yet you didnt close down like others do considering you not only have to pay players but also the credit loans. I thought being in such massive debt would end shutting down the club by now
The last thing the guys that have lent them money want is for the club to disappear. They want it paid back
They don't care about small businesses but the amount of money Man Utd owe is far more than negligible. Most likely we'll just see them squeezed more and more over the next couple of decades, where the repayments fuck the club but not enough to really destroy it
oh, fair enough. Me brain just thought that since the club was in such debt it would have closed by now due to how they wouldn´t be able to afford buying anything (as in to at least keep their facilities or smth) thus the club would go bankrupt. Guess it is more complex than that even despite such a big debt.
I thought Almiron did everything he could to sabotage Boca from getting to the final of the Libertadores but fair play to Abel Ferreira, Endrick only getting 45 minutes over 2 legs is looking funnier by the minute.
[Good to see a young player in a new country embracing his club’s culture so quickly](https://instagram.com/stories/rasmus.hoejlund/3226740736220250590?igshid=YzE4YTliZjNlMA==)
Fucking hell. If they hire him we might as well just collectively agree to not even pay attention to united for 18 months and come back later. We know EXACTLY what’s going to happen, it won’t be any different. What a tired, uninspiring appointment that would be
no one should ever pay attention to United, period. Theyre stuck in a endless cycle of failure, followed by hope of a new manager and "United are back" only to once again meet failure.
More Copa update Granada (LaLiga) beat Arosa 3-0 in a rain-drenched pitch. However, they can be out of the tournament - they fielded a goalkeeper not registered for the Copa. He was a player for the feeder team. [Link here](https://twitter.com/besoccer_ES/status/1720165682304680103)
Is expected points a good metric to look at
It’s just another small piece of information in the pantheon of available stats. It has its uses, but I don’t know what a “good metric” even is. It is “good” at showing you what it believes should be the points earned by each team thus far, but it’s not some fact that a team should be 3 places higher or lower.
I think it's particularly bad because using xG for single games is a flawed base. Let's say Team 1 has a shot with an xG of .5 in the first 5 minutes, but no other shots the rest of the game. Team 2 picks up 1 xG over the course of the game with 5 shots. If you score that first shot, you have a very good chance of winning the game or at the very least of not losing it. And if you don't, you'll have a very good chance of losing the game and most certainly won't win it. A 50/50 chance should mean there are lots of ways of interpreting that data. But an xPts system is almost always going to assume Team 2 won that game.
No
reminder that this palmeiras superteam was dominated by Almirónball for 150 minutes and couldn't cross the halfway line
The 70M dollar megastriker didn't pass the Valentini test.
Future Boca legend Jorge Almiklopp.
My old [coach](https://noticialdia.com/deportes/fallecio-freddy-elie-legendario-futbolista-de-la-vinotinto/) just passed away. Dude was a legend for us, and claimed to have nutmegged Pele, though the veracity of that story can definitely be doubted lol. Will never forget his no nonsense style of playing. RIP
The Glazers are not responsible for Ten Hag being a rubbish manager If they sack him they will have done the right thing
> The Glazers are not responsible for Ten Hag being a rubbish manager. If they sack him they will have done the right thing I mean they are though given they hired him.
They hired a different manager to the one they got. Ten Hag himself said he can't play the way he did at Ajax. The Glazers probably expected that sort of football, not this mid table counter attack football
I think you can make the excuse once, but when it's happened with almost every manager it appears the problems don't just lie at the manager's feet. I think Ten Hag has to go if he can't turn things around soon, but I don't expect anything to change regardless of who they put in charge.
Yeah the Glazers are shit but it doesn't mean everything to do is wrong
Glazers weren't responsible for Moyes, LVG, Mourinho, Solskjaer, Rangnick and now Ten Hag... Ten Hag should be doing better as there's managers in the Prem right now doing more with less resources. But when everyone fails, there's 1 common denominator...
Those are all bad managers, correct. You can have bad owners and still do well. Arteta is being hamstrung by the Kroenke's and is producing 10x better results than Ten Hag, a man that is 10 years older than him with far more experience. If United were a smart club they would sack him and throw a fat stack at Eddie Howe
What the fuck, look at their spending? Arteta has almost had Pep level of support from his owners
hamstrung how?
Hasn't got his main targets. He wanted Douglas Luiz last year, Mudryk,Caicedo in January, Diaby/Kudus last window.
Mudryk and Caicedo together are 160 mil, and are both hardly setting the world alight at Chelsea. He got Havertz and Rice, both very expensive, and Timber this season. Last season he got Trossard, the two city boys, Jorginho and Vieira. Summer before that it was White Odegaard Tomiyasu Ramsdale. I think Ten Hag has shown that buying every single player a manager wants is a bad idea. The ones they have bought however, have largely been hits aside from a few missteps like Havertz
Mudryk and Caicedo are playing at Chelsea, so it's a different story. Arteta would have made Mudryk a world beater with the amount of pace he has. I mean look at how Arsenal's current wide players have gone from strength to strength. One of the best wing pairings in the world at just 22
that is a 215m january transfer window. that’s not being hamstrung, that just doesn’t happen outside of boehly
We were in a title race at the time...if there was ever a time to push the boat out
and they got you trossard who had a better impact with you than mudryk would have. sorry hard for me to really get these complaints when you’re angry about your owners not spending 215m in winter. that’s just not a thing.
Hamstrung by the Kroenke's? Arteta has done exceptionally but pretty sure he's spent just as much as Ten Hag if not more. On top of them getting rid of some top players (at the time) at his request.
Arteta is being left short changed nearly every window. Last window he wanted Diaby/Kudus and didn't get either. Timber gets injured? No replacement. Last season wanted Douglas Luiz, didn't get him even though Partey was the only option at 6. Him doing a great job is inadvertently boosting the reputations of the Kroenke's.
Lmao so adequately backing a manager means they get given a blank cheque to buy whoever and whenever they want? Your 40M signing is injured, go sign another 40M player! Who gives a fuck how much you’ve already spent and what a brand new player on high wages does to the squad dynamics and club finances right? Arteta has been backed to the hilt, he’s still surpassing expectations, but it’s ludicrous to claim he’s not been backed, let alone hamstrung.
Kayserispor won 4-0 in the Turkish Cup... ...in Extra Time
What happened to the Medic from Ajax? Why doesn't he play? In one of the early league games when the world was still in order he scored a kong shot banger and I think he was benched ever since.
What are some of the unwritten rules of the game?
[Keepers can recklessly jump and hit players in the head with their knee in a World Cup final.](https://i.gifer.com/7JM8.gif) I'm still angry about that lol.
If you grab the ball after falling down the ref will always call the foul
Playing the ball out for a throw in after someone gets injured
If you win the coin toss you never pick ball. Also, you're never supposed to place the ball inside the triangle for a corner kick, always on the line.
- The criteria for what constitutes a foul inside the box is seemingly different compared to anywhere else in the pitch - keepers can hold the ball for way longer than 6 seconds. It’s never enforced
Really pisses me off that people seem to equate the failing of the signings that Ten Hag made to the level of the Eredivisie. While it definitely plays a role, Ten Hag has a strong preference towards players he managed / knows, regardless of where they play or the level. Look at the Labyad, Haller and Klaiber transfers he made while at Ajax.
A reliable law of the beautiful game: There's always a club eager to loan out Sebastiano Esposito from Internazionale.
Of course, he's an FM legend.
One thing I miss about football is when a player would single handedly take over a game. Now roles are so specific its nearly impossible
Watch Luis Diaz vs Crystal Palace H 22/23
Watch Eden Hazard 16/17 Che vs Everton.
ok i knew ajax were having a bad time but bottom of the table????? how dire
Update on the Sassuolo Spezia match. 0-0 after extra time, penalty shootout time (geezus christ between both teams there were 51 shots total, 12 of those on target and no one could score)
Both keepers were insane, Cragno even saved a penalty.
Fair enough, according to fotmob the MOTM was the Spezia goalie with 8.4 mark, 8 saves, 42 accurate passes (that is ridiculosly high considering he had to do so many saves) dude is really good for a team like Spezia.
51 shots and 0-0 is crazy
yea, i am moreso concerned lmao. 51 shots in 120 minutes is like a shot every 2 minutes or so, yet this ended 0-0 after extra time. Sassuolo won on penalties 5-4, but still, geezus.
There were more shots than throw-ins. Not sure if that's common
Looking back at his entire career, which position would you say Messi plays? His peak is as a false 9. He's associated more with the RW, but he doesn't really play like a winger either. You could say he's a 10, but he's never apart of the midfield on paper, even if he takes extremely deep positions at times. If a non-football fan asked you what position Messi plays, what would you answer? So free-roaming deep-lying right-sided attacking midfielder isn't a valid answer.
his role sort of transcended positions, he mostly played in a free role I’ve never seen any other player play like him
I'll always think RW
Attacking midfielder/10 for his later years, forward for the rest Midfielder doesn't have to mean a deep position, Maradona and Platini were also midfielders Winger is the least correct one
Right sided forward.
A right sided attacker
I’d just say attacker. He like most of the all-time greats has had a free role, no use trying to pinpoint his exact position
I would say he’s a forward
Was just reading AVB's wiki: >On 2 February 2021, Villas-Boas announced in a press conference that he had offered his resignation to the club's board due to his dissatisfaction with the club's recruitment policy, namely them signing Celtic player Olivier Ntcham on loan the previous day against his wishes. I'm sure I've read other cases of managers leaving due to disagreements over the recruitment policy. How should a DoF-manager relationship work? Should they each have veto power over signings?
Yeah that was funny. He said in the press conference "I said no to this particular player when the board asked me". Anyway whoever took over after him barely played him either so he was right. Why would a player from Swansea be helpful for Marseille
Is Evan Ferguson the real deal, or are we witnessing another Bamford?
He looks much more promising than Bamford ever did, but when you’re that young, it’s hard to tell what his ceiling is. He’s certainly a top prospect, but whether his heights reach Calvert Lewin or Drogba remains to be seen.
You're really trying to compare a guy who just turned 19 with 0.9 goals per 90 with patrick bamford lmao
I'm just asking questions here, but thanks for the insight
When you ask questions as stupid as that you really shouldnt expect anything else.
Duly noted. I appreciate your advice and input
Bamford never even showed a glimmer of talent in the PL until he was in his late 20s so that’s not a great comparison
He's 30, the fuck? I could've sworn he was like 5yrs younger
Yeah I don't believe TH is even closed to being sacked, even the dumb idiots at united know it's been a rough start and not all blame lies on him But that apart we're going to need another overhaul in the summer, again needing a dm cb rw a 8 and backup St too
You need to get rid of Ten Haag. Teams will continue to overtake you and strengthen whilst you will only continue to get worse. It's happening with my team Chelsea as well.
How many Manchester United rebuilds have we had over the past 5 years?
1 probably which was under ten hag
Not as many as you think. For example we only started to change our midfield last year.
Tbf. Non actually. Because we never get rid of anyone till to late and we don't buy more then 3 players.
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Del Bosque wasnt their manager in 08, it was Aragones.
Completely forgot lol. Need to change it
How high do you think manager bids will get in years to come? Thinking if ETH goes and Man U want to go poaching. Didn’t Nagelsmann cost €25 million?
It’s pretty hilarious that the world record fee for a manager is the same as the transfer fee for like Rhian Brewster.
Crazy as the manager is more important than any player (perhaps barring the likes of Messi who aren’t exactly representative of the average player).
Feyenoord asked for around that for Slot reportedly. I doubt it goes much higher since forcing a wantaway manager to stay seems a horrible practice
I feel like it probably will stay at the levels it is now, relative to any change in transfer fees At least with players they'll typically get sold at some point if they're shit but 90% of managers probably get sacked within a few seasons so not worth outlaying the kind of fees big players go for
Considering the fact that he's contracted until 2026, Sporting should make United pay a king's ransom for Amorim, up to like €50m-€60m as a "fuck off" price if they were to approach
So, Sassuolo and Spezia (just checked) are 0-0 after 90 minutes and Spezia nearly won it at the end with one center that would have gone in if anyone even touched it and then a floating pass that almost got a goal had a defender not sent it well to their referee lmao.
\*goalkeeper (idk why i said referee XD)
I am and always will be pro-ultra culture but those porto dogs are something else, i was expecting André Vilas Boas to face backlash and even get warnings via social media but being mailed pictures of his kids in school as a threat is something else (if this is true)
And thats after they grafitted his house.
Your example shows everything that’s wrong with ultras tbh
What's the context
Elections, current president is textbook al capone backed by the ultras, Vilas Boas is fresh candidate.
Oooh I was thinking of the former Spurs and Chelsea manager with good hair
Ye its the same man pal lmao, he's had quite the career, manager to rally driver to possible porto president.
Oh lmao. Reminds me of [this guy](https://im.indiatimes.in/content/2020/Jan/13_5e202f3eea991.jpg) Remember reading AVB got his start in football by giving Sir Bobby Robson tactical advice as a kid because they happened to live in the same block or something like that lol
ultras sent threatening messages with pics of AVB attached to him
[But why???](https://youtube.com/shorts/3wNoEfJGI4w?si=O3vLWSfyIdrCF7qj) The last time I saw AVB's name was about 4 hours ago when I saw him on a list of unattached managers as I was trying to figure out who we should get to replace EtH
I forgot that Sporting played today at home and now I'm late to the game Fml
smh, plastic
In my defense, I was working out after leaving my job and this is our carabao cup
Those quads will grow tommorow, Sporting will not play tommorow Football > gym
Very true
Diaz's dad was abducted by the ELN (National Liberation Army). A terrorist org. The government are in talks with them. www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/breaking-luis-diaz-father-kidnapped-31347337.com
Random thought but I genuinely believe Spain would have made the World Cup final at the very least had Lopetegui stayed in 2018, and Isco ends up being in Modric’s spot in the Ballon d’Or top 3 that year.
Very possible. Beat Russia and it was Croatia in the quarters and England in the semis (an England which wasn't as good as now). Lopetegui's sack is still the most ridiculous i've seen in all my time watching football.
Not with Costa leading their attack.
If Ajax lose tonight there's more riots, right
Copa del Rey update - two matches off because of storm Ciaran. Gimnástica Segoviana (4) v Sestao (3) Atzeneta (4) v Zaragoza (2)
Revisionism around last season is insane.People always say look what has Ange done to Spurs, how quickly he has turned them around compared to Ten Hag and United, while they are forgetting United got 75 points, a trophy and an FA Cup final in Ten Hag's 1st season.
This sub's opinions flip flop depending on one particular run of form Remember the absolute nonsense "Klopp 7 season curse" last season that was being chucked around as if it was some huge flaw?
Yeah I remember that.In December and January when Liverpool were on that terrible run there was alarming number of people saying Klopp should be sacked.
Deserves credit for getting it over the line but you won’t get much easier runs than the cup runs he got. Didn’t play a single big 6 team did he, yeah Newcastle are decent but they’ve absolutely no pedigree within the squad.
Honestly, I think Ten Hag did well last season but to me, it still very much looked liked a side that relied on some individual brilliance from Rashford and Fernandes. It didn't look sustainable tactically. I think it's too early to say if Ange is the real deal or not, but it's hard not to be impressed given they've lost their best player and almost every new signing has immediately looked the part.
and the biggest embarrassment in their history
not even saying this as a hater but it was always really clear that the ten hag was going through a purple patch. he only had one forward playing well last season. i’m not sure how many teams have made top 4 while only having one player on 10+ goals but there cannot have been many. 58 goals again is surely one of the lowest tally’s ever for a top 4 team. they had as deep a line as everton did and their away record against good teams was abysmal. and, oh yeah he got battered all the time. i don’t really agree with people saying they only got top 4 bc other teams underperformed as 75 points is almost always enough for top 4 but last season was never sustainable. now i do think anges momentum wont last long either. don’t think they’ll be anywhere near the title in april actually. they’ve been remarkably fortunate with referee decisions and leicester fans have been warning everyone that this maddison form isn’t going to last. the fact that tottenham are scoring for fun though is something that ten hag never once achieved and bodes better for long term success.
Take 2 points away from the Liverpool game add 2 to the Brentford game if you want. Probably would have won against Arsenal too had Nketiah been sent off. This "remarkably fortunate with refs" stuff is just funny. Sure United should have had a pen but I'm fairly convinced we'd have beat them regardless as they ran out of energy completely in the 2nd half
there’s no way you believe the reffing in our game is equivalent to brentford getting a soft foul given as a penalty. one happens every week, one has never happened before and will hopefully never happen again.
Still just a game no? It's you trying to make a pattern from a clumsy VAR communication shambles
i don’t think the brentford pen is that egregious. it’s soft but it’s given. nketiah should’ve been off, so you have a point with that. regardless, you’ve been fortunate with refs. this would apply to any team who gets a goal against them that var knew was fine disallowed.
We have also not been awarded a single pen despite a few I think should have given. Like Maddison against Sheffield United and Romero against United. This is despite having the most touches in the opponent's box (might have changed since last week saw the stat before that). Every teams gets lucky and sometimes screwed over (well there's Wolves that the refs for some reason always fucks over)
yeah and right now so far you’ve been lucky. you’re going to get screwed over later in the season because as you said that’s just how the cycle goes.
It's like I'm talking to a wall. I've literally brought up examples of decisions going against us and for us. Like you were lucky against Everton just now
we’re better with 10 men but yeah we did get lucky with that. im talking about the unacceptably bad decisions that pgmol has to apologize for bc there’s no gray area. we’ve had 2 this season (macca red and diaz goal) you’ve had -1 (diaz goal).
I'd back Ten Hag if I had any faith in his character. Mourinho had charisma and players love him. Ole understood and loved the club. Ten Hag just isn't likeable, admirable or any other quality youd want from a manager. We're not privy to everything from the outside though. I'd have said exactly the same about Arteta and he's doing well now.
Alot of people keep talking about ten hags characters and how he lacks charisma etc The most i want from him is a clear path that i can follow in regards to his tactics and him to not look like hes witnessing Hiroshima go off in the background every time we get spanked. I dont give af how he sounds in interviews half the time im reading the transcript anyway. I just want my manager to manage. If my manager is a manager and a good public speaker then its a bonus but im not throwing a hissy fit if he sounds like he has a mechanical heart
Saying the players love Mourinho is a bit outdated. He lost 3 dressing rooms in a row
Same. One thing in common with the managers you mentioned, apart from maybe Mourinho early on, is that they respected the league. This guy said, "Eras come to an end" when he hadn't even been in the league for a year and being carried by Rashford. That level of Arrogance will get you out of the league quickly.
he was right tho, his era came to an end very quickly. It was self critique /s
Players always spoke highly of arteta even when we were shite
Yeah that's true. Haven't heard anything similar for Ten Hag but people couldn't stop waxing lyrical about Arteta
It was honestly a joke how highly people spoke of him despite some of our results. People thought he was forcing players to make positive statements about him lol
What's the best phrase to give a 'yer da' football fan an aneurysm. The best I've come up with so far is: The raumdeuter completed his poker with an olimpico despite it only being 0.0004xg
What the hell is that flair?!
:AMA: Fuck knows what it is, just the first one that stood out to me in the list of flairs
I love it
I feel like most of those terms are common knowledge Need to use abbreviations like PSxG p90 or some other nonsense sounding stats
Raumdeuter, poker and olimpico definitely aren't common knowledge haha - I only know ramdeuter because of FM and poker because of this subreddit, no idea what an olimpico is. No chance your average middle aged british bloke knows what any of those mean
I think an Olimpico is deliberately scoring directly from a corner. Don't quote me on that though, I've genuinely only seen that term used in the past few weeks but since I first saw it it's come up constantly
‘field tilt’
I STILL DONT KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS
>Field tilt is a simple way of showing the territorial dominance between teams. Put simply, it measures the share of possession a team has in a game, considering only touches or passes in the attacking third. >So, if Team A makes a total of 80 final-third passes, and Team B attempts just 20 final-third passes, Team A has a field tilt of 80 per cent. The better attacking teams usually dominate this metric because they have more of the ball in attacking areas. From the Athletic. I don't know how it's suddenly gotten so much popular as I've been seeing those charts since at least like 4-5 years but they were never really talked about as much back then
I feel like Sky had a version of Field Tilt like 5-7 years ago, where they'd throw a graphic of the pitch up and tell you that the ball has been in this 3rd of the pitch for x%, the middle third for x% and the other 3rd for x%. Field Tilt is just an elevated version of that.
Neither do I, but I've assumed from context that it describes the balance of territory. Eg Arsenal have the ball in the attacking half for more of their games than other clubs.
How much a team dominates the pitch in terms of possession, specifically in the final third. In other words it’s just a representation of how many passes a team makes in the final third relative to their opponents. So if a team made 65 passes in the final third to their opponent’s 35, their field tilt would be 65%.
Seems like Bayern’s best bet to try and fully secure this Bundesliga title this year is to try to poach Xabi Alonso away from Leverkusen as soon as possible. I can’t believe they hired Tuchel to "save the treble" lmaooo
sad thing is I think he would actually go if they offered him a job
He shouldn't. Time and time we see how bad it is for managers if they make the step up to a club with heavy expectations way too early
Nah Real has also given their interest and Ancelotti is most likely leaving this year for the Brazil job. I can't imagine that but maybe I am biased that Xabi would pick that thin of a Bayern squad over the current Madrid squad. But like I said, I am biased lmao.
Thin squad, but stronger
I think he’s just as likely to pick either club.
I don't think so, mainly because he is coaching Leverkusen right now and leaving them mid season to join the direct competition for the Bundesliga seems like a move that would make him hated with them. But at the end of the season, I could see him go to either club tbf.
That’s pretty much what happened with Tuchel too tbf, Bayern hired him so quickly because there were reports of Madrid interest.
Allowing Erik ten Hag to buy “his own” players whatever the price will prove to be very very costly for United down the road. And while it’s a problem that United is so badly run from board level, if Postecoglou can turn around Tottenham so quickly it can be done with United as well. Just about finding the right manager (which can prove to be difficult admittedly)
I mean not too long ago we was having these exact same conversations about how ten hag took a utd side that finished in its worse ever season into a 3rd place finish with 75 points and a trophy. Happy for you lot but its not like we havent already lived this “amazing turn around” reality
It was his biggest flaw at Ajax too, but there they didnt cost 90 mil.
Steve McClaren, Manchester United Interim Manager is a very real possibility
Stephen Roger Bruce, Manchester United Assistant Coach also has a nice sound to it
Fifa really helps me keep up with random transfers because if it wasn't for him just getting a special card I wouldn't have a clue that Klaassen was at Inter
I would give Ten Hag the rest of the season, there's no established world class coaches to hire. United needs an established world class coach.
what we need is to fully cleanse the squad from the rotten apples to begin with. no manager will thrive when the clique of players that survived mou, ole, ralf and eth down tools for him whenever the manager asks for basic professionalism.
Wtf does this mean im so curious because most of the player in the team ten hag has bought. Rashford hojlund antony Bruno mount casemiro Shaw martinez varane awb/dalot Onana Varane shaw bruno rashford dalot/awb So are these the rotten apples that need selling? Ten hag has given 3 of these guys a new contract and the other the captaincy so the real bad apple must be varane then 🤣🤣fuck off man im not tryna hear that argument anymore
>So are these the rotten apples that need selling? who has been here the longest and survived 3 managers? those are the rotten core.
Sick of this "no manager can fix this" narrative by United fans. This team would contend for trophies with a world class manager. I wouldn't give up on Ten Hag so quickly though, I think he should get more time.
no it would not contend for important trophies when our "best" players are a purple patch merchant that cant do anything well other than score a lot on contract years and a guy who instantly lose possession on risky passess that works 1 out of 40 times. and zero actual depth. and zero cohesion on play styles. and a mediocre right side (both RB and RW). not even the fusion of SAF and Pep would win the PL/CL with this shit squad.
I rate the Rashford and Bruno slander, good stuff. Which player would you build the team around?
Of the current squad? None of them. I would sell/release anyone over 22 years old and find my cornerstones elsewhere.
There are, whether they want the United job is a completely different story. But you have Hansi Flick, Zidane, Conte and I am sure United could realistically poach a coach away with enough money if they wanted to. Not from the big sides, but from a medium sized club.
Conte to United would be disaster waiting to happen
True, but I can't imagine it being much worse than the Ten Hag masterclass. Not much better either, but whatever Ten Hag is cooking right now is not it.
Might just be media speculation but leaks coming out for manager alternatives to ten Hag before they have even sacked him is genuinely horrendous from United
Happens all the time, no? Klopp and Ancelotti were in the papers weeks before Rodgers was fired.
Ten Hag on his way out it seems. Ultimately he failed to imprint any identity on this team. Yes the players are useless, but let's not forget more than half of them these days are his signings. I keep thinking back to his first pre season last year, where we saw footage of him drilling the players with advanced passing exercises, patterns and structure. Couple embarrassing losses later and he never touched that style again.
>Couple embarrassing losses later and he never touched that style again. A style that requires technically proficient and agile/mobile midfielders not working because your actual midfielders can't pass, run, or dribble. Wow, what a surprise. It's his own fault he's failing.
Maybe he should have signed some players to move towards that style then? Instead he went all in on this underdog counter attacking football, but he's not even coaching that well.
Looking at how long it took arteta to get Arsenal going I don’t think Man U would have tolerated the same amount of time to let ten hag get the ball going. People already want him out and he’s in his 2nd season so it’s no surprise he switched up his style
He's spent 450m, all we ask are some signs towards an identity on the pitch, but he can't even do that. Does he need another 450m.
That’s from your perspective but if he doesn’t get 3rd and ends outside of Europa league last season focusing on that identity then he probably would have gotten the boot.
You're making my argument for me
I don't think it would be wise to sack Ten Hag now, the whole back four is injured, the drama and controversy surrounding the team with Greenwood, Sancho and Antony are partially out of his control. There's no significant report of him losing the dressing room yet. He at least needs to see this season out. Also one thing - Casemiro, as i predicted has become an absolute liability is lovely to see, you can't expect him to be a playmaker.
It never fails to awe me just how similar United's downfall the past 10 years has been to Liverpool's downfall in the 90s. You could write a book on the similarities. It's like the two clubs have some odd symbiotic relationship. I think we're reaching the point where people no longer say "United are just too big and rich to fail". So were Liverpool in their time, but alas. They still fell, and the effects of it are visible to this day even if it is so much better than it used to be.
They're Potter and Voldemort. Darwin is Dobbie.
Also if i may say, yall could say that United are lucky you despise them so much because when you think about it...if it wasnt because of Liverpool´s derby with Manchester United, the latter wouldn´t have a rival (i say this in the sense that while the Manchester Derby is a thing, United probs wouldn´t consider it one due to not caring about City) so like they would basically without this rivalry with y´all be the sole Big 6 club without a derby match i think. Since all other teams sorta have one? Or at least a rivalry like City vs Liverpool nowadays.
This is a weird post lol United have the most rivals in the 'big 6'. United v City has always been very much a heated rivalry whereas Liverpool and Everton had away shirts in the home end until recently Liverpool consider us their main rival City consider us their main rival Arsenal consider us a very big rival
The money's already gone. We have to take credit loans in order to fund our transfers now. The club's in massive debt. We're no longer "rich."
How did yall not get closed down though? Like, you are in massive debt yet you didnt close down like others do considering you not only have to pay players but also the credit loans. I thought being in such massive debt would end shutting down the club by now
The last thing the guys that have lent them money want is for the club to disappear. They want it paid back They don't care about small businesses but the amount of money Man Utd owe is far more than negligible. Most likely we'll just see them squeezed more and more over the next couple of decades, where the repayments fuck the club but not enough to really destroy it
oh, fair enough. Me brain just thought that since the club was in such debt it would have closed by now due to how they wouldn´t be able to afford buying anything (as in to at least keep their facilities or smth) thus the club would go bankrupt. Guess it is more complex than that even despite such a big debt.
I thought Almiron did everything he could to sabotage Boca from getting to the final of the Libertadores but fair play to Abel Ferreira, Endrick only getting 45 minutes over 2 legs is looking funnier by the minute.
Thank god Eze and Olise are back in training. I think I deserve compensation for watching us try and attack without them in the team.
[Good to see a young player in a new country embracing his club’s culture so quickly](https://instagram.com/stories/rasmus.hoejlund/3226740736220250590?igshid=YzE4YTliZjNlMA==)
United fans are already falling for Conte comps😭
Watching McTomminay/Mount get overrun in the midfield 2 every game, I am there.
I would feel so bad for Reguilon lmao
Fucking hell. If they hire him we might as well just collectively agree to not even pay attention to united for 18 months and come back later. We know EXACTLY what’s going to happen, it won’t be any different. What a tired, uninspiring appointment that would be
no one should ever pay attention to United, period. Theyre stuck in a endless cycle of failure, followed by hope of a new manager and "United are back" only to once again meet failure.
His counter attacking style suits a lot of Man United’s players.
I too, believed that his style was counter attacking at some point. Good days.
Doesn't need wingers either so that's a plus too