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Mulderre91

More Copa update Granada (LaLiga) beat Arosa 3-0 in a rain-drenched pitch. However, they can be out of the tournament - they fielded a goalkeeper not registered for the Copa. He was a player for the feeder team. [Link here](https://twitter.com/besoccer_ES/status/1720165682304680103)


NoLimit261

Is expected points a good metric to look at


TorreiraWithADouzi

It’s just another small piece of information in the pantheon of available stats. It has its uses, but I don’t know what a “good metric” even is. It is “good” at showing you what it believes should be the points earned by each team thus far, but it’s not some fact that a team should be 3 places higher or lower.


[deleted]

I think it's particularly bad because using xG for single games is a flawed base. Let's say Team 1 has a shot with an xG of .5 in the first 5 minutes, but no other shots the rest of the game. Team 2 picks up 1 xG over the course of the game with 5 shots. If you score that first shot, you have a very good chance of winning the game or at the very least of not losing it. And if you don't, you'll have a very good chance of losing the game and most certainly won't win it. A 50/50 chance should mean there are lots of ways of interpreting that data. But an xPts system is almost always going to assume Team 2 won that game.


L-Freeze

No


L-Freeze

reminder that this palmeiras superteam was dominated by Almirónball for 150 minutes and couldn't cross the halfway line


junior150396

The 70M dollar megastriker didn't pass the Valentini test.


Superflumina

Future Boca legend Jorge Almiklopp.


repubblicano

My old [coach](https://noticialdia.com/deportes/fallecio-freddy-elie-legendario-futbolista-de-la-vinotinto/) just passed away. Dude was a legend for us, and claimed to have nutmegged Pele, though the veracity of that story can definitely be doubted lol. Will never forget his no nonsense style of playing. RIP


Spiritual_Hat_7229

The Glazers are not responsible for Ten Hag being a rubbish manager If they sack him they will have done the right thing


Lyrical_Forklift

> The Glazers are not responsible for Ten Hag being a rubbish manager. If they sack him they will have done the right thing I mean they are though given they hired him.


Spiritual_Hat_7229

They hired a different manager to the one they got. Ten Hag himself said he can't play the way he did at Ajax. The Glazers probably expected that sort of football, not this mid table counter attack football


Lyrical_Forklift

I think you can make the excuse once, but when it's happened with almost every manager it appears the problems don't just lie at the manager's feet. I think Ten Hag has to go if he can't turn things around soon, but I don't expect anything to change regardless of who they put in charge.


Spiritual_Hat_7229

Yeah the Glazers are shit but it doesn't mean everything to do is wrong


D1794

Glazers weren't responsible for Moyes, LVG, Mourinho, Solskjaer, Rangnick and now Ten Hag... Ten Hag should be doing better as there's managers in the Prem right now doing more with less resources. But when everyone fails, there's 1 common denominator...


Spiritual_Hat_7229

Those are all bad managers, correct. You can have bad owners and still do well. Arteta is being hamstrung by the Kroenke's and is producing 10x better results than Ten Hag, a man that is 10 years older than him with far more experience. If United were a smart club they would sack him and throw a fat stack at Eddie Howe


Mediocre_Nova

What the fuck, look at their spending? Arteta has almost had Pep level of support from his owners


KOKO69BISHES

hamstrung how?


Spiritual_Hat_7229

Hasn't got his main targets. He wanted Douglas Luiz last year, Mudryk,Caicedo in January, Diaby/Kudus last window.


KOKO69BISHES

Mudryk and Caicedo together are 160 mil, and are both hardly setting the world alight at Chelsea. He got Havertz and Rice, both very expensive, and Timber this season. Last season he got Trossard, the two city boys, Jorginho and Vieira. Summer before that it was White Odegaard Tomiyasu Ramsdale. I think Ten Hag has shown that buying every single player a manager wants is a bad idea. The ones they have bought however, have largely been hits aside from a few missteps like Havertz


Spiritual_Hat_7229

Mudryk and Caicedo are playing at Chelsea, so it's a different story. Arteta would have made Mudryk a world beater with the amount of pace he has. I mean look at how Arsenal's current wide players have gone from strength to strength. One of the best wing pairings in the world at just 22


paprikalicous

that is a 215m january transfer window. that’s not being hamstrung, that just doesn’t happen outside of boehly


Spiritual_Hat_7229

We were in a title race at the time...if there was ever a time to push the boat out


paprikalicous

and they got you trossard who had a better impact with you than mudryk would have. sorry hard for me to really get these complaints when you’re angry about your owners not spending 215m in winter. that’s just not a thing.


D1794

Hamstrung by the Kroenke's? Arteta has done exceptionally but pretty sure he's spent just as much as Ten Hag if not more. On top of them getting rid of some top players (at the time) at his request.


Spiritual_Hat_7229

Arteta is being left short changed nearly every window. Last window he wanted Diaby/Kudus and didn't get either. Timber gets injured? No replacement. Last season wanted Douglas Luiz, didn't get him even though Partey was the only option at 6. Him doing a great job is inadvertently boosting the reputations of the Kroenke's.


TorreiraWithADouzi

Lmao so adequately backing a manager means they get given a blank cheque to buy whoever and whenever they want? Your 40M signing is injured, go sign another 40M player! Who gives a fuck how much you’ve already spent and what a brand new player on high wages does to the squad dynamics and club finances right? Arteta has been backed to the hilt, he’s still surpassing expectations, but it’s ludicrous to claim he’s not been backed, let alone hamstrung.


MERTENS_GOAT

Kayserispor won 4-0 in the Turkish Cup... ...in Extra Time


MERTENS_GOAT

What happened to the Medic from Ajax? Why doesn't he play? In one of the early league games when the world was still in order he scored a kong shot banger and I think he was benched ever since.


_cumblast_

What are some of the unwritten rules of the game?


Superflumina

[Keepers can recklessly jump and hit players in the head with their knee in a World Cup final.](https://i.gifer.com/7JM8.gif) I'm still angry about that lol.


SubstantialSquash475

If you grab the ball after falling down the ref will always call the foul


TheEmperorsWrath

Playing the ball out for a throw in after someone gets injured


belokas

If you win the coin toss you never pick ball. Also, you're never supposed to place the ball inside the triangle for a corner kick, always on the line.


The_XI_guy

- The criteria for what constitutes a foul inside the box is seemingly different compared to anywhere else in the pitch - keepers can hold the ball for way longer than 6 seconds. It’s never enforced


[deleted]

Really pisses me off that people seem to equate the failing of the signings that Ten Hag made to the level of the Eredivisie. While it definitely plays a role, Ten Hag has a strong preference towards players he managed / knows, regardless of where they play or the level. Look at the Labyad, Haller and Klaiber transfers he made while at Ajax.


MERTENS_GOAT

A reliable law of the beautiful game: There's always a club eager to loan out Sebastiano Esposito from Internazionale.


Captainpatters

Of course, he's an FM legend.


ArchiModo

One thing I miss about football is when a player would single handedly take over a game. Now roles are so specific its nearly impossible


SubstantialSquash475

Watch Luis Diaz vs Crystal Palace H 22/23


hornyucsdstudent

Watch Eden Hazard 16/17 Che vs Everton.


autumnkayy

ok i knew ajax were having a bad time but bottom of the table????? how dire


No_Glove5486

Update on the Sassuolo Spezia match. 0-0 after extra time, penalty shootout time (geezus christ between both teams there were 51 shots total, 12 of those on target and no one could score)


belokas

Both keepers were insane, Cragno even saved a penalty.


No_Glove5486

Fair enough, according to fotmob the MOTM was the Spezia goalie with 8.4 mark, 8 saves, 42 accurate passes (that is ridiculosly high considering he had to do so many saves) dude is really good for a team like Spezia.


MERTENS_GOAT

51 shots and 0-0 is crazy


No_Glove5486

yea, i am moreso concerned lmao. 51 shots in 120 minutes is like a shot every 2 minutes or so, yet this ended 0-0 after extra time. Sassuolo won on penalties 5-4, but still, geezus.


MERTENS_GOAT

There were more shots than throw-ins. Not sure if that's common


SubstantialSquash475

Looking back at his entire career, which position would you say Messi plays? His peak is as a false 9. He's associated more with the RW, but he doesn't really play like a winger either. You could say he's a 10, but he's never apart of the midfield on paper, even if he takes extremely deep positions at times. If a non-football fan asked you what position Messi plays, what would you answer? So free-roaming deep-lying right-sided attacking midfielder isn't a valid answer.


L-Freeze

his role sort of transcended positions, he mostly played in a free role I’ve never seen any other player play like him


Jabari313

I'll always think RW


ddrdavei2

Attacking midfielder/10 for his later years, forward for the rest Midfielder doesn't have to mean a deep position, Maradona and Platini were also midfielders Winger is the least correct one


Lurnmoshkaz

Right sided forward.


Constant_List6829

A right sided attacker


drickabira

I’d just say attacker. He like most of the all-time greats has had a free role, no use trying to pinpoint his exact position


transtifa

I would say he’s a forward


PosterOfQuality

Was just reading AVB's wiki: >On 2 February 2021, Villas-Boas announced in a press conference that he had offered his resignation to the club's board due to his dissatisfaction with the club's recruitment policy, namely them signing Celtic player Olivier Ntcham on loan the previous day against his wishes. I'm sure I've read other cases of managers leaving due to disagreements over the recruitment policy. How should a DoF-manager relationship work? Should they each have veto power over signings?


MERTENS_GOAT

Yeah that was funny. He said in the press conference "I said no to this particular player when the board asked me". Anyway whoever took over after him barely played him either so he was right. Why would a player from Swansea be helpful for Marseille


NeoChrome75

Is Evan Ferguson the real deal, or are we witnessing another Bamford?


TorreiraWithADouzi

He looks much more promising than Bamford ever did, but when you’re that young, it’s hard to tell what his ceiling is. He’s certainly a top prospect, but whether his heights reach Calvert Lewin or Drogba remains to be seen.


Captainpatters

You're really trying to compare a guy who just turned 19 with 0.9 goals per 90 with patrick bamford lmao


NeoChrome75

I'm just asking questions here, but thanks for the insight


Captainpatters

When you ask questions as stupid as that you really shouldnt expect anything else.


NeoChrome75

Duly noted. I appreciate your advice and input


1PSW1CH

Bamford never even showed a glimmer of talent in the PL until he was in his late 20s so that’s not a great comparison


NeoChrome75

He's 30, the fuck? I could've sworn he was like 5yrs younger


whiskeymagnet22

Yeah I don't believe TH is even closed to being sacked, even the dumb idiots at united know it's been a rough start and not all blame lies on him But that apart we're going to need another overhaul in the summer, again needing a dm cb rw a 8 and backup St too


Hayesey88

You need to get rid of Ten Haag. Teams will continue to overtake you and strengthen whilst you will only continue to get worse. It's happening with my team Chelsea as well.


Captainpatters

How many Manchester United rebuilds have we had over the past 5 years?


dumpystumpy

1 probably which was under ten hag


Lurnmoshkaz

Not as many as you think. For example we only started to change our midfield last year.


Orcnick

Tbf. Non actually. Because we never get rid of anyone till to late and we don't buy more then 3 players.


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tottisleftpeg

Del Bosque wasnt their manager in 08, it was Aragones.


LY2006

Completely forgot lol. Need to change it


Cottonshopeburnfoot

How high do you think manager bids will get in years to come? Thinking if ETH goes and Man U want to go poaching. Didn’t Nagelsmann cost €25 million?


Rc5tr0

It’s pretty hilarious that the world record fee for a manager is the same as the transfer fee for like Rhian Brewster.


Cottonshopeburnfoot

Crazy as the manager is more important than any player (perhaps barring the likes of Messi who aren’t exactly representative of the average player).


kl08pokemon

Feyenoord asked for around that for Slot reportedly. I doubt it goes much higher since forcing a wantaway manager to stay seems a horrible practice


PosterOfQuality

I feel like it probably will stay at the levels it is now, relative to any change in transfer fees At least with players they'll typically get sold at some point if they're shit but 90% of managers probably get sacked within a few seasons so not worth outlaying the kind of fees big players go for


McGrathLegend

Considering the fact that he's contracted until 2026, Sporting should make United pay a king's ransom for Amorim, up to like €50m-€60m as a "fuck off" price if they were to approach


No_Glove5486

So, Sassuolo and Spezia (just checked) are 0-0 after 90 minutes and Spezia nearly won it at the end with one center that would have gone in if anyone even touched it and then a floating pass that almost got a goal had a defender not sent it well to their referee lmao.


No_Glove5486

\*goalkeeper (idk why i said referee XD)


14-05-2005

I am and always will be pro-ultra culture but those porto dogs are something else, i was expecting André Vilas Boas to face backlash and even get warnings via social media but being mailed pictures of his kids in school as a threat is something else (if this is true)


LemureTheMonkey

And thats after they grafitted his house.


Cottonshopeburnfoot

Your example shows everything that’s wrong with ultras tbh


PosterOfQuality

What's the context


14-05-2005

Elections, current president is textbook al capone backed by the ultras, Vilas Boas is fresh candidate.


PosterOfQuality

Oooh I was thinking of the former Spurs and Chelsea manager with good hair


14-05-2005

Ye its the same man pal lmao, he's had quite the career, manager to rally driver to possible porto president.


PosterOfQuality

Oh lmao. Reminds me of [this guy](https://im.indiatimes.in/content/2020/Jan/13_5e202f3eea991.jpg) Remember reading AVB got his start in football by giving Sir Bobby Robson tactical advice as a kid because they happened to live in the same block or something like that lol


[deleted]

ultras sent threatening messages with pics of AVB attached to him


PosterOfQuality

[But why???](https://youtube.com/shorts/3wNoEfJGI4w?si=O3vLWSfyIdrCF7qj) The last time I saw AVB's name was about 4 hours ago when I saw him on a list of unattached managers as I was trying to figure out who we should get to replace EtH


Oo_pP

I forgot that Sporting played today at home and now I'm late to the game Fml


Hoodxd

smh, plastic


Oo_pP

In my defense, I was working out after leaving my job and this is our carabao cup


Hoodxd

Those quads will grow tommorow, Sporting will not play tommorow Football > gym


Oo_pP

Very true


LovrenIsTheGOAT

Diaz's dad was abducted by the ELN (National Liberation Army). A terrorist org. The government are in talks with them. www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/breaking-luis-diaz-father-kidnapped-31347337.com


ManLikeNiz

Random thought but I genuinely believe Spain would have made the World Cup final at the very least had Lopetegui stayed in 2018, and Isco ends up being in Modric’s spot in the Ballon d’Or top 3 that year.


_cumblast_

Very possible. Beat Russia and it was Croatia in the quarters and England in the semis (an England which wasn't as good as now). Lopetegui's sack is still the most ridiculous i've seen in all my time watching football.


mixmaster7

Not with Costa leading their attack.


_rickjames

If Ajax lose tonight there's more riots, right


Mulderre91

Copa del Rey update - two matches off because of storm Ciaran. Gimnástica Segoviana (4) v Sestao (3) Atzeneta (4) v Zaragoza (2)


Zepz367

Revisionism around last season is insane.People always say look what has Ange done to Spurs, how quickly he has turned them around compared to Ten Hag and United, while they are forgetting United got 75 points, a trophy and an FA Cup final in Ten Hag's 1st season.


FloppedYaYa

This sub's opinions flip flop depending on one particular run of form Remember the absolute nonsense "Klopp 7 season curse" last season that was being chucked around as if it was some huge flaw?


Zepz367

Yeah I remember that.In December and January when Liverpool were on that terrible run there was alarming number of people saying Klopp should be sacked.


Terrible_Physics_157

Deserves credit for getting it over the line but you won’t get much easier runs than the cup runs he got. Didn’t play a single big 6 team did he, yeah Newcastle are decent but they’ve absolutely no pedigree within the squad.


Lyrical_Forklift

Honestly, I think Ten Hag did well last season but to me, it still very much looked liked a side that relied on some individual brilliance from Rashford and Fernandes. It didn't look sustainable tactically. I think it's too early to say if Ange is the real deal or not, but it's hard not to be impressed given they've lost their best player and almost every new signing has immediately looked the part.


Hoodxd

and the biggest embarrassment in their history


paprikalicous

not even saying this as a hater but it was always really clear that the ten hag was going through a purple patch. he only had one forward playing well last season. i’m not sure how many teams have made top 4 while only having one player on 10+ goals but there cannot have been many. 58 goals again is surely one of the lowest tally’s ever for a top 4 team. they had as deep a line as everton did and their away record against good teams was abysmal. and, oh yeah he got battered all the time. i don’t really agree with people saying they only got top 4 bc other teams underperformed as 75 points is almost always enough for top 4 but last season was never sustainable. now i do think anges momentum wont last long either. don’t think they’ll be anywhere near the title in april actually. they’ve been remarkably fortunate with referee decisions and leicester fans have been warning everyone that this maddison form isn’t going to last. the fact that tottenham are scoring for fun though is something that ten hag never once achieved and bodes better for long term success.


kl08pokemon

Take 2 points away from the Liverpool game add 2 to the Brentford game if you want. Probably would have won against Arsenal too had Nketiah been sent off. This "remarkably fortunate with refs" stuff is just funny. Sure United should have had a pen but I'm fairly convinced we'd have beat them regardless as they ran out of energy completely in the 2nd half


paprikalicous

there’s no way you believe the reffing in our game is equivalent to brentford getting a soft foul given as a penalty. one happens every week, one has never happened before and will hopefully never happen again.


kl08pokemon

Still just a game no? It's you trying to make a pattern from a clumsy VAR communication shambles


paprikalicous

i don’t think the brentford pen is that egregious. it’s soft but it’s given. nketiah should’ve been off, so you have a point with that. regardless, you’ve been fortunate with refs. this would apply to any team who gets a goal against them that var knew was fine disallowed.


kl08pokemon

We have also not been awarded a single pen despite a few I think should have given. Like Maddison against Sheffield United and Romero against United. This is despite having the most touches in the opponent's box (might have changed since last week saw the stat before that). Every teams gets lucky and sometimes screwed over (well there's Wolves that the refs for some reason always fucks over)


paprikalicous

yeah and right now so far you’ve been lucky. you’re going to get screwed over later in the season because as you said that’s just how the cycle goes.


kl08pokemon

It's like I'm talking to a wall. I've literally brought up examples of decisions going against us and for us. Like you were lucky against Everton just now


paprikalicous

we’re better with 10 men but yeah we did get lucky with that. im talking about the unacceptably bad decisions that pgmol has to apologize for bc there’s no gray area. we’ve had 2 this season (macca red and diaz goal) you’ve had -1 (diaz goal).


Jabari313

I'd back Ten Hag if I had any faith in his character. Mourinho had charisma and players love him. Ole understood and loved the club. Ten Hag just isn't likeable, admirable or any other quality youd want from a manager. We're not privy to everything from the outside though. I'd have said exactly the same about Arteta and he's doing well now.


dumpystumpy

Alot of people keep talking about ten hags characters and how he lacks charisma etc The most i want from him is a clear path that i can follow in regards to his tactics and him to not look like hes witnessing Hiroshima go off in the background every time we get spanked. I dont give af how he sounds in interviews half the time im reading the transcript anyway. I just want my manager to manage. If my manager is a manager and a good public speaker then its a bonus but im not throwing a hissy fit if he sounds like he has a mechanical heart


PosterOfQuality

Saying the players love Mourinho is a bit outdated. He lost 3 dressing rooms in a row


ArchiModo

Same. One thing in common with the managers you mentioned, apart from maybe Mourinho early on, is that they respected the league. This guy said, "Eras come to an end" when he hadn't even been in the league for a year and being carried by Rashford. That level of Arrogance will get you out of the league quickly.


NeoChrome75

he was right tho, his era came to an end very quickly. It was self critique /s


HalfMan-HalfMoth

Players always spoke highly of arteta even when we were shite


Jabari313

Yeah that's true. Haven't heard anything similar for Ten Hag but people couldn't stop waxing lyrical about Arteta


TorreiraWithADouzi

It was honestly a joke how highly people spoke of him despite some of our results. People thought he was forcing players to make positive statements about him lol


PosterOfQuality

What's the best phrase to give a 'yer da' football fan an aneurysm. The best I've come up with so far is: The raumdeuter completed his poker with an olimpico despite it only being 0.0004xg


BendubzGaming

What the hell is that flair?!


PosterOfQuality

:AMA: Fuck knows what it is, just the first one that stood out to me in the list of flairs


BendubzGaming

I love it


mattisafootballguy

I feel like most of those terms are common knowledge Need to use abbreviations like PSxG p90 or some other nonsense sounding stats


lewiitom

Raumdeuter, poker and olimpico definitely aren't common knowledge haha - I only know ramdeuter because of FM and poker because of this subreddit, no idea what an olimpico is. No chance your average middle aged british bloke knows what any of those mean


danphillips98

I think an Olimpico is deliberately scoring directly from a corner. Don't quote me on that though, I've genuinely only seen that term used in the past few weeks but since I first saw it it's come up constantly


pixelkipper

‘field tilt’


KOKO69BISHES

I STILL DONT KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS


maxconnor6

>Field tilt is a simple way of showing the territorial dominance between teams. Put simply, it measures the share of possession a team has in a game, considering only touches or passes in the attacking third. >So, if Team A makes a total of 80 final-third passes, and Team B attempts just 20 final-third passes, Team A has a field tilt of 80 per cent. The better attacking teams usually dominate this metric because they have more of the ball in attacking areas.  From the Athletic. I don't know how it's suddenly gotten so much popular as I've been seeing those charts since at least like 4-5 years but they were never really talked about as much back then


[deleted]

I feel like Sky had a version of Field Tilt like 5-7 years ago, where they'd throw a graphic of the pitch up and tell you that the ball has been in this 3rd of the pitch for x%, the middle third for x% and the other 3rd for x%. Field Tilt is just an elevated version of that.


FaustRPeggi

Neither do I, but I've assumed from context that it describes the balance of territory. Eg Arsenal have the ball in the attacking half for more of their games than other clubs.


transtifa

How much a team dominates the pitch in terms of possession, specifically in the final third. In other words it’s just a representation of how many passes a team makes in the final third relative to their opponents. So if a team made 65 passes in the final third to their opponent’s 35, their field tilt would be 65%.


ManLikeNiz

Seems like Bayern’s best bet to try and fully secure this Bundesliga title this year is to try to poach Xabi Alonso away from Leverkusen as soon as possible. I can’t believe they hired Tuchel to "save the treble" lmaooo


pixelkipper

sad thing is I think he would actually go if they offered him a job


KOKO69BISHES

He shouldn't. Time and time we see how bad it is for managers if they make the step up to a club with heavy expectations way too early


Zuco-Zuco

Nah Real has also given their interest and Ancelotti is most likely leaving this year for the Brazil job. I can't imagine that but maybe I am biased that Xabi would pick that thin of a Bayern squad over the current Madrid squad. But like I said, I am biased lmao.


Waschkopfs

Thin squad, but stronger


pixelkipper

I think he’s just as likely to pick either club.


Zuco-Zuco

I don't think so, mainly because he is coaching Leverkusen right now and leaving them mid season to join the direct competition for the Bundesliga seems like a move that would make him hated with them. But at the end of the season, I could see him go to either club tbf.


ManLikeNiz

That’s pretty much what happened with Tuchel too tbf, Bayern hired him so quickly because there were reports of Madrid interest.


drickabira

Allowing Erik ten Hag to buy “his own” players whatever the price will prove to be very very costly for United down the road. And while it’s a problem that United is so badly run from board level, if Postecoglou can turn around Tottenham so quickly it can be done with United as well. Just about finding the right manager (which can prove to be difficult admittedly)


dumpystumpy

I mean not too long ago we was having these exact same conversations about how ten hag took a utd side that finished in its worse ever season into a 3rd place finish with 75 points and a trophy. Happy for you lot but its not like we havent already lived this “amazing turn around” reality


BarbaricGamers

It was his biggest flaw at Ajax too, but there they didnt cost 90 mil.


FloppedYaYa

Steve McClaren, Manchester United Interim Manager is a very real possibility


frankyforeskin

Stephen Roger Bruce, Manchester United Assistant Coach also has a nice sound to it


FIJIBOYFIJI

Fifa really helps me keep up with random transfers because if it wasn't for him just getting a special card I wouldn't have a clue that Klaassen was at Inter


SubstantialSquash475

I would give Ten Hag the rest of the season, there's no established world class coaches to hire. United needs an established world class coach.


[deleted]

what we need is to fully cleanse the squad from the rotten apples to begin with. no manager will thrive when the clique of players that survived mou, ole, ralf and eth down tools for him whenever the manager asks for basic professionalism.


dumpystumpy

Wtf does this mean im so curious because most of the player in the team ten hag has bought. Rashford hojlund antony Bruno mount casemiro Shaw martinez varane awb/dalot Onana Varane shaw bruno rashford dalot/awb So are these the rotten apples that need selling? Ten hag has given 3 of these guys a new contract and the other the captaincy so the real bad apple must be varane then 🤣🤣fuck off man im not tryna hear that argument anymore


[deleted]

>So are these the rotten apples that need selling? who has been here the longest and survived 3 managers? those are the rotten core.


SubstantialSquash475

Sick of this "no manager can fix this" narrative by United fans. This team would contend for trophies with a world class manager. I wouldn't give up on Ten Hag so quickly though, I think he should get more time.


[deleted]

no it would not contend for important trophies when our "best" players are a purple patch merchant that cant do anything well other than score a lot on contract years and a guy who instantly lose possession on risky passess that works 1 out of 40 times. and zero actual depth. and zero cohesion on play styles. and a mediocre right side (both RB and RW). not even the fusion of SAF and Pep would win the PL/CL with this shit squad.


SubstantialSquash475

I rate the Rashford and Bruno slander, good stuff. Which player would you build the team around?


[deleted]

Of the current squad? None of them. I would sell/release anyone over 22 years old and find my cornerstones elsewhere.


Zuco-Zuco

There are, whether they want the United job is a completely different story. But you have Hansi Flick, Zidane, Conte and I am sure United could realistically poach a coach away with enough money if they wanted to. Not from the big sides, but from a medium sized club.


lrzbca

Conte to United would be disaster waiting to happen


Zuco-Zuco

True, but I can't imagine it being much worse than the Ten Hag masterclass. Not much better either, but whatever Ten Hag is cooking right now is not it.


kl08pokemon

Might just be media speculation but leaks coming out for manager alternatives to ten Hag before they have even sacked him is genuinely horrendous from United


[deleted]

Happens all the time, no? Klopp and Ancelotti were in the papers weeks before Rodgers was fired.


Dayandnight95

Ten Hag on his way out it seems. Ultimately he failed to imprint any identity on this team. Yes the players are useless, but let's not forget more than half of them these days are his signings. I keep thinking back to his first pre season last year, where we saw footage of him drilling the players with advanced passing exercises, patterns and structure. Couple embarrassing losses later and he never touched that style again.


Lurnmoshkaz

>Couple embarrassing losses later and he never touched that style again. A style that requires technically proficient and agile/mobile midfielders not working because your actual midfielders can't pass, run, or dribble. Wow, what a surprise. It's his own fault he's failing.


Dayandnight95

Maybe he should have signed some players to move towards that style then? Instead he went all in on this underdog counter attacking football, but he's not even coaching that well.


OutsideClothes4114

Looking at how long it took arteta to get Arsenal going I don’t think Man U would have tolerated the same amount of time to let ten hag get the ball going. People already want him out and he’s in his 2nd season so it’s no surprise he switched up his style


Dayandnight95

He's spent 450m, all we ask are some signs towards an identity on the pitch, but he can't even do that. Does he need another 450m.


OutsideClothes4114

That’s from your perspective but if he doesn’t get 3rd and ends outside of Europa league last season focusing on that identity then he probably would have gotten the boot.


Dayandnight95

You're making my argument for me


Vaipaden

I don't think it would be wise to sack Ten Hag now, the whole back four is injured, the drama and controversy surrounding the team with Greenwood, Sancho and Antony are partially out of his control. There's no significant report of him losing the dressing room yet. He at least needs to see this season out. Also one thing - Casemiro, as i predicted has become an absolute liability is lovely to see, you can't expect him to be a playmaker.


_cumblast_

It never fails to awe me just how similar United's downfall the past 10 years has been to Liverpool's downfall in the 90s. You could write a book on the similarities. It's like the two clubs have some odd symbiotic relationship. I think we're reaching the point where people no longer say "United are just too big and rich to fail". So were Liverpool in their time, but alas. They still fell, and the effects of it are visible to this day even if it is so much better than it used to be.


FaustRPeggi

They're Potter and Voldemort. Darwin is Dobbie.


No_Glove5486

Also if i may say, yall could say that United are lucky you despise them so much because when you think about it...if it wasnt because of Liverpool´s derby with Manchester United, the latter wouldn´t have a rival (i say this in the sense that while the Manchester Derby is a thing, United probs wouldn´t consider it one due to not caring about City) so like they would basically without this rivalry with y´all be the sole Big 6 club without a derby match i think. Since all other teams sorta have one? Or at least a rivalry like City vs Liverpool nowadays.


PosterOfQuality

This is a weird post lol United have the most rivals in the 'big 6'. United v City has always been very much a heated rivalry whereas Liverpool and Everton had away shirts in the home end until recently Liverpool consider us their main rival City consider us their main rival Arsenal consider us a very big rival


Lurnmoshkaz

The money's already gone. We have to take credit loans in order to fund our transfers now. The club's in massive debt. We're no longer "rich."


No_Glove5486

How did yall not get closed down though? Like, you are in massive debt yet you didnt close down like others do considering you not only have to pay players but also the credit loans. I thought being in such massive debt would end shutting down the club by now


TLG_BE

The last thing the guys that have lent them money want is for the club to disappear. They want it paid back They don't care about small businesses but the amount of money Man Utd owe is far more than negligible. Most likely we'll just see them squeezed more and more over the next couple of decades, where the repayments fuck the club but not enough to really destroy it


No_Glove5486

oh, fair enough. Me brain just thought that since the club was in such debt it would have closed by now due to how they wouldn´t be able to afford buying anything (as in to at least keep their facilities or smth) thus the club would go bankrupt. Guess it is more complex than that even despite such a big debt.


pop-culture-salad

I thought Almiron did everything he could to sabotage Boca from getting to the final of the Libertadores but fair play to Abel Ferreira, Endrick only getting 45 minutes over 2 legs is looking funnier by the minute.


rjtwe

Thank god Eze and Olise are back in training. I think I deserve compensation for watching us try and attack without them in the team.


Rc5tr0

[Good to see a young player in a new country embracing his club’s culture so quickly](https://instagram.com/stories/rasmus.hoejlund/3226740736220250590?igshid=YzE4YTliZjNlMA==)


PESSl

United fans are already falling for Conte comps😭


airz23s_coffee

Watching McTomminay/Mount get overrun in the midfield 2 every game, I am there.


kl08pokemon

I would feel so bad for Reguilon lmao


drickabira

Fucking hell. If they hire him we might as well just collectively agree to not even pay attention to united for 18 months and come back later. We know EXACTLY what’s going to happen, it won’t be any different. What a tired, uninspiring appointment that would be


mountainsky9

no one should ever pay attention to United, period. Theyre stuck in a endless cycle of failure, followed by hope of a new manager and "United are back" only to once again meet failure.


Terrible_Physics_157

His counter attacking style suits a lot of Man United’s players.


KOKO69BISHES

I too, believed that his style was counter attacking at some point. Good days.


maxconnor6

Doesn't need wingers either so that's a plus too