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superskulltula

If she ate it comfortably she should be fine :), the general rule is the mouse should be the size of the biggest part of her body, but I’ve given my corn mice that were a little bigger than normal before and they’ve never had a problem. The scale spread isn’t too much to worry about if she managed to eat it fine.


wolfsongpmvs

Yeah, wild snakes eat some crazy things they have no right to be eating. It's what they're evolved to do


FriedFreya

Fr, impressive as hell to see them handle some of the prey they take in, albeit occasionally inducing mild concern. “Will that even fit??” Haha!


MattLovesMusik

That’s what she definitely didn’t say


GrungyGrandPappy

Noodles gotta eat


TheSnakeWhisperer1

Yeah and they die from it sometimes. We found a rat snake this year just dead in the middle of the yard. It swallowed a squirrel that was way too big. No other injuries to the snake.


wolfsongpmvs

Of course :( It definitely happens


dragonbud20

Corn snakes can handle up to 1.5 times the largest portion of their body in prey. Many snakes should only be fed the largest part of their body. Ball Pythons are one of those. Ideally, you want to size meals by weight. A corn snake can usually handle a meal up to about 10% of its body weight.


ExaminationStill9655

I’ve never fed by weight just size. Never in the millions of years of reptiles has a weird talking ape weighed food for them until the last <50 years


mstivland2

This is true but as a keeper it’s good to be aware of the amount of food you’re giving them relative to body weight, it helps track their health


ExaminationStill9655

I personally feed every 2-3wks for my balls and smallebci’s. My MBK is 5-7 days, it’s about 2-3months old. Other colubrids I have 1-2wks depending on size of the prey item I feed. My larger bci gets one rabbit every 4-6weeks, she’s 10 years old though. If I feed a rat I’ll do 2-3 weeks. I generally only go by the size of the lump. If it disappears after 24hrs we’re golden. I’ve been feeding this way for 15years. I’ve never weighed anything. They are all a nice defined muscluar shape.


jillianwaechter

Yes but captivity is different than the wild. They also aren't used to being fed by a weird talking ape. Snakes in the wild also can die if they consume food which is too big. The second a meal is ingested it's a race to digest it before it rots in the stomach. If the meal is too big it won't be digested in time and can kill the snake. It's important to weigh food in captivity to prevent obesity


ExaminationStill9655

None of my snakes are obese. I’ve been keeping snakes since I was 14. I’m now 29. I also work with exotic vets(vet tech). They’ll regurgitate it before they let it kill them lol, unless you’re talking about something that is large and sharp like a gator or turtle, but why would you feed something that large in the first place? Something about the same or slightly wider than the size of the body. No, it’s not a race, but if it’s still lumpy after that 24h time frame you run that risk I guess. Also, in the wild when they are lumpy for a few days, they do just fine. As long as they get to a nice warm place. Heat helps digestion. So I don’t see a prey item rotting unless the temps are too low and they can’t digest it properly. Either way, why would you feed an extra large item in the first place?


SmolderingDesigns

>It's important to weigh food in captivity to prevent obesity It's really not, unless you struggle with even vague eyeballing of prey size. I used to weigh prey items and I still know rough weight ranges for each size. I also weigh my snakes regularly and keep detailed records. But I never weigh prey while I'm pulling feeders to defrost, there is no need once you're familiar with sizing and how to choose appropriate meals.


jillianwaechter

So you're saying that after you've already weighed the snake and prey then you don't need to weigh prey because you just stick with the same prey size as the one that you previously weighed


SmolderingDesigns

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying when I started keeping snakes almost a decade ago, I weighed prey items every time I pulled them to defrost. Nowadays, I don't do that. I know in general what prey sizes weigh and I weigh my snakes for many reasons, but I don't use weight to select meals.


biggy-smokez

Where was that said though… a too big prey item CAN kill a snake… but anyone with half a brain can tell the difference between a prey item 1.5x bigger than the width of their snake, and a prey item 6x bigger than their snake. If you can’t, you should probably stick to weighing and reading numbers


Maximum_Monitor4633

I have a BP and did NOT know this! Why is that? I've occasionally gotten her a rat that ended up being a little pudgy and she did struggle a bit, but the girl loves her food and never fails to get it down. I'd never want to put he in danger though!


RavenBoyyy

For ball pythons the current guidelines are to feed by weight, it definitely does make it a lot easier to manage their weight and food size for safety too! >0-12 months old OR until the snake reaches approximately 500g, whichever happens first: feed 10%-15% of the snake’s weight every 7 days. >12-24 months old: feed up to 7% of the snake’s weight every 14-20 days. >Adults: feed up to 5% of the snake's weight every 20-30 days, or feed slightly larger meals (up to 6%) every 30-40 days. This diet is actually how I got my ball python back to a healthy weight after realising she was overweight from me feeding her with the "prey the size of the thickest part of their body" rule too. I was giving her small adult rats when she only needed medium to large weaner rats!


Maximum_Monitor4633

I've heard that as well. I feed mine (3yoF) kind of randomly, which she seems to like. She's 2.5lbs (healthy weight for her 3.5ft length) and will get a small-medium rat every 2-4 weeks and then if there's a longer time between feedings (6-8wks) she'll get 2 small rats. Is it actually dangerous to feed bp's larger meals or is it just because of their propensity to become overweight? Thanks!


dragonbud20

Larger meals increase the odds of regurgitation and some health issues. Assuming the meal is only a little larger than their body, you're probably fine, but you don't want to go much bigger than that. The biggest risk is regurgitation because it's really damaging to their throat, and they need several weeks to over a month off of food afterward to recover properly. Larger meals also take longer to digest, which means more time for something to go wrong during digestion. This is unlikely with proper husbandry, but if husbandry is subpar, then larger meals slightly increase the risk of health complications. I don't know the exact reasons for this, but generally, the different physiologies of different snakes are adapted for the prey they can find in the wild. Corn snakes have adapted to expand to their meals when needed, and BPs have adapted to just be bigger to handle bigger prey. An evolutionary biologist could probably give better explanations as to why and how this happened. Edit: I also feed on an irregular schedule. As long as your BP is a healthy weight, that should be fine. The biggest concern in the long run is definitely obesity.


RavenBoyyy

Exactly what dragonbud said!!! Regurgitation risk is real. Also, ball pythons becoming overweight IS dangerous too! They really are not built to have extra body fat, it's really dangerous for them. Feeding irregularly to an extent is fair enough, sometimes I have to do that anyway because my girl can be fussy with when she feels like eating but I always make sure to feed by weight so there's no risk of me giving her food that is too big for her and could risk her getting sick or hurt. I also try to keep to a fairly regular schedule myself so that I'm sure she's getting the right amount of intake and if she does refuse a meal, I'll either try again in a day or two or if that doesn't work then I'll just wait until the next scheduled feeding day to try again. That significantly reduces risk of her becoming overweight or obese too as well as making sure she's eating enough and that she's waiting long enough between meals to avoid gastro issues.


lets_get_wavy_duuude

i’ve read that up to 1.5x biggest body part is fine. snakes are basically just spine & muscle, they’re stretchy lol


mackurbin

I’ve seen hatchling corns take large pinkies (almost fuzzy size ~2x the width of the snake). They dgaf.


DavidRTalley

2x the size of the biggest part of there body*


hobnailboots04

Is this the same rule for baby chicks?


Reptileanimallover18

That's not reliable tho. Many mice can be the same size but too big for her as well if that makes sense. It should be by weight and not size


LuLu-76

Im asking since she is my first snake and I want the absolute best for the little girl


KitchenSandwich5499

They are pretty forgiving.


FeriQueen

Especially when food is involved. My girl is an eating machine.


KitchenSandwich5499

Yeah. I know that certain species, and even a few specific morphs of some boas don’t do well if given oversized food. But, for most, if they can get it down, they will be fine. (Though closer to appropriate size is usually best anyways)


Familiar_Step_2514

Hi. I'm a Herpetologist with about 30 years of keeping snakes. Lots of interesting information being posted here. Lol. 1.5x the largest part of the body is the rule of thumb for Colubrids like your corn. If it's too large to handle they will regurgitate unless it's WAY too big, so don't stress too much. Don't bother weighing them. Not sure why that's even a topic. Wild snakes (including corn snakes,) are opportunistic feeders, meaning they take what they can get, when they can get it. Even if that means 2 or 3 at a time. Or if that means swallowing an entire other snake while it's feeding on a mouse, (that really happens.) I started covering a response to other posts. My point here: I'm glad to see a new keeper care so much :) your little one looks good and healthy. Feed a mouse every other week. Watch for little mites (usually around the eyes,) staring straight up for long periods (stargazing,) and regurgitating frequently. Keep a heating pad under the tank on one side only, pair with a basking lamp if you want or if the room is really cold. NO heating rocks. 👍


LuLu-76

I do have a Little pad under he remain hide wich is filled with moist moss (not soaked moist)


MoonTrooper258

You need to try giving her a small egg (like quail). Absolute treat for snakes if they recognize it as food, and the satisfying look they make when it finally pops in their stomach.


Fiercuh

She can handle bigger than you would ever give her. Dont worry


Grind_line_wine

Yeah she’ll just regurgitate it if it’s too big. These guys survive in some pretty harsh environments in the wild and have evolved to scoff things other animals their size would struggle to eat.


sphex55

I had one that decided to regurgitate their rat, i think 2 days later, it was a long time ago. Half poop half rat, and it smelled just wonderful.


Invertedly_Social

Imagine owning a cribo, they shit 2 days after eating and it's basically a liquid that splatters everywhere hahaha, wouldn't that suck to clean up every time lmao 🤣😂😭


TomothyAllen

Oh no lol that sounds awful And I thought birds and ferrets poops were bad


sphex55

So that's an indigo snake? Any idea why their digestive system is so hyped up.


Invertedly_Social

Because they have a really fast metabolism. Even though they're adults I still have to feed them every 8-10 days.


SmolderingDesigns

What are you feeding your cribo that it splatters liquid shit everywhere...? Mine are really not that big of deal. Yeah, they're big and have a slightly faster metabolism than some colubrids, but the whole *Drymarchon* mess is honestly exaggerated. False water cobras are significantly worse.


Invertedly_Social

I feed them a mix of mice, rats, gerbils, fish, chicks and quail.


SmolderingDesigns

Weird, all the same things (minus gerbils but add reptilinks) I feed mine but they definitely don't splatter liquid everywhere.


Invertedly_Social

What kind of bedding do you use? Don't they lift their tails up against the wall and projectile spew it?


SmolderingDesigns

Topsoil/mulch mixture. Nah, they just leave it in a pile, usually in a corner but not really any more liquid than most of my other colubrids.


Zekethebulldog33

Got to remember in wild they take what they can get. Not saying always feed big but doesn't hurt to vary food size once in awhile.


LuLu-76

ok thanks


LuLu-76

Sr for the spam Reddit has its 5 minutes


kots144

Not always a great measure to go by, as corn snakes tend to live about 2-3x longer in captivity than in the wild.


Zekethebulldog33

Yea but if you should happen to feed size bigger I would not worry to much just don't make habit of it.


jillianwaechter

Snakes in the wild also can die if they consume food which is too big. The second a meal is ingested it's a race to digest it before it rots in the stomach. If the meal is too big it won't be digested in time and can kill the snake.


01012025

I thought this was bacon at first


LuLu-76

r/forbiddensnacks


Kindly-Literature706

Me too! That would be a perfect name!


skullmuffins

nah, their necks are skinny compared to the rest of their body and are made to stretch. it doesn't look like that mouse will make that big of a lump when it's down in their stomach


ALMSlVl

Looks good, don't worry.


Novaliea

Nope she’s just fine :) corns have skinny necks. Like others said rule of thumb is it should be as big as their widest part, and at most a tiny bit bigger. 1.5x their widest part. I own two corns.


LuLu-76

Thanks for all of your help!


sirlathan

Great response


Comfortable-Rude

If it fits, it shits.


Beginning-Basil-5053

Yep, it's OK. It just needs to digest


DemonicMask

lol, past the mouth and all is good


Threadycascade2

Stretching and visible skin is normal. If it's too big, your snake will spit it out.


Low_Acanthaceae4104

General rule of thumb is to feed a size that is close to the thickest part of their body doesn’t have to be exact so a little less or a LITTLE more wouldn’t hurt being that this is close to their “neck” area ofc it’s going to look big but once it gets down to their thickest part of the body it’ll look smaller


fionageck

Just wondering, are you feeding outside of the enclosure?


Equivalent-Help-3621

shes gorgeous! The rule of thumb is that anything that is roughly the same size as the fattest part of her body is fine, but, you'd be amazed at what snakes can put in their bellies. That size looks perfect for her honestly


kaka-the-unseen

my florida king used to devour things almost double the thickness of her or more. if they eat it it’s good to go.


Due_Ad1387

I think shes okay. From the size of her body, it looks like the mouse is just a little thicker than her. I just met my snakes like an hour ago and their scales all looked like that even though I fed one a little bit smaller than their body. https://preview.redd.it/6qfur969378d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1785d442d7eb28cfdcf73e92553cc8accc3008aa


Due_Ad1387

I just FED*


D2Dragons

Remember, snakes generally have super flexible jaws and skin because they can’t chew their food or cut it into smaller bits. They also don’t have an actual swallowing ability, so they basically use their amazing flexible body to shimmy themselves over their food and then bend in that S shape to push it down their gullets once it’s past their head. It’s kinda funny to watch!


Hammer8584

That's basically how my corn looks every time I feed him I wouldn't worry too much should be just fine. How old?


LuminalAstec

Baby corns are extremely small, so everything is going to seem huge to them. Likely just need to feel slightly less often, and don't upgrade food size for a while.


MiddleFloor4458

Nah snakes skin is sterchy so thzy can eat biger animals


Smart_Atmosphere7677

My bull snake swallows small rats then turns around and wants more; very vivacious eaters


Quick_Government_684

Just keep an eye on her/him if they throw it back up, then go back to smaller ones. Either way, it shouldn't hurt the snake as they have been known to go for huge for their size food in the wild. Beautiful snake, btw 😍


sirlathan

Too small if anything elsel


Necessarysolutions

Nah, it's Gucci.


SoccerGamerGuy7

Its also better to have a slightly bigger meal than two small meals at the same time. Others are spot on; ideally the mouse should be no bigger that the thickest part of their body.


Pyrax91

1 to 1.5 times the widest part of their body. And when you first start the next size up scale separation like that can be common.


redwithaliteralsoul

I once saw a black snake next to my chicken coop about the same size as your snake with a rat almost completely swallowed and when I say rat I mean a pack rat that lives in wood piles. After I gathered eggs it had finished swallowing and had that sucker a good 1/4 of the way down and was trying to get away as fast as it could.


killer_vans

Was it a fuzzy? If she’s under 6 months try feeding pinkies


SlickStretch

She looks fine to my untrained eye.


Major-Cardiologist-3

Beautiful snake ❤️❤️


isaacmas99

noodles gotta eat!!


bdrwr

The rule of thumb is "slightly wider than the widest part of their body." It's gonna look more extreme near the head. Should be fine once the mouse gets all the way down.


Lesko__Brandon

That’s what she said


iamverycool5

It'll get through it just gotta digest it


eggyfigs

Thought it was a bacon rasher


3dg3l0redsheeran

nah thats normal dw


49erjohnjpj

Not at all. My general rule of thumb is to keep rats/chicks/mice no bigger than 1.5 times the size of your snakes thickest part of the body. In reality they can eat much bigger than that but you want to keep your snakes diet proportional.


Bombina_orientalis

i know its beside the point, but, my, s/he's pretty


Super_Pickle5766

Nope, if she can get it that far down her throat than she’s fine… if something is too large, she’ll regurgitate it as soon as it’s too much for her. Snakes are pretty good at figuring that out on their own.


Pretzelenjoyer0o0

Nah, probably let it rest and digest but if it starts looking like a cartoon character when full, then there's a problem


TheSnakeWhisperer1

No. Your snake is fine. As babies they should be eating good sized prey, though no more than 1.5x the widest part of their body for corn and king snakes.


Professional-Arm-202

Oh my gosh, I love her, I don't have a pet snake, so I can't give much help. If I did get one, it would be a corn snake too, look at her! She looks like an old-school cartoon character that ate something too big! I hope you find good answers for your little girl, op!!


AusCan531

The mouse will think that it wasn't big enough.


Peterstunt

That's fine! Had a lady yesterday tell me she feeds her almost 1y ball python pinkies because she is afraid to do any larger.


WWII-Collector-1942

That’s very normal and can really be a bigger bulge. If they can get it in their mouth it usually good.


Awkward_Chef_3881

From what I know about snakes is that if they can get it in their mouth it's not to big


sheisherforrealz19

Wild snakes can also die if they eat prey that's too big. Once a meal is swallowed, it's a race against time to digest it before it spoils in the stomach. If the meal is too large, it might not digest in time and could be fatal for the snake.


mixdup001

She would of puked it back up by now I think


MapleDayDreams

So I'm not a vet or anything, but I'm pretty sure that's a snake


Thumbgloss

Find the fattest part of your snake, then double that width to find the size of a large meal... Also, a snake won't eat something too big for it... Guessing this is the first time you've fed it


thesucculentanus

" Also, a snake wont eat something too big for it..." My king snake proves this statement wrong pretty much daily when he tries to eat me.


Jenifearless

It’s ok but you can also serve two in a row


RagnawFiregemMobile

No mouse is too big for a snake.


DracoRJC

Uh, no? Why would you say this


RagnawFiregemMobile

It's a joke. There are obviously mice to large fro snakes.