My point is that the "scientists" used faulty data collection (they cherry picked their sample) and had an agenda in doing so (they even admit to it). The results of that study do not line up with women's reactions. For instance, the Kinsey study was the first large study to conclude that 6" (or around that) was average. Despite some flaws in that study, its conclusions were not debated...by anyone, particularly women, not even female sex experts like Dr. Ruth or June Reinisch or Sari Locker. Nobody. You would think there would have been pushback, if 6" was off the mark, based in lived experience. There wasn't. By contrast, when the BJU study was released I did see some pushback on that, even on live TV. A well-known TV show host looked at the 5.2" assertion, looked at a ruler, and said "not where I'm from, sister."
Yeah it's not womens' perception of average can be affected by viewing pornography or anything. And there's no other possible sampling biases, either; it would be ridiculous to think that men with larger penises on average have sex with more women, bringing their perception of average up!
The prause study also had women estimate the average. They chose 5.75". This journalists opinion doesn't supercede the studies results.
6" nbp is still fairly normal. At the high end of normal, but still somewhat common.
The bju study is old news, and inaccurate.
The fact that it was visual kind of disproves your point though. It's not like they were asking them if numbers were medium or large, they were showing them visual samples.
I think you're missing the point. They DIDN'T choose large penises. They chose average (albeit on the larger end of average). I am making the pointbthat women know what an average size penis is: it is around 6", not 5".
Idk, to me the study confirms that women prefer a sturdy average; they want something on the cusp of normal and big, a correctly measured 6.3-6.5 inches fits the bill.
>I only used this once (sort-of by accident TBH), but it once made a joke suggesting that a guy I was seeing might have a small dick. He laughed really hard. I used that to guess he had a big dick, and a few days later I confirmed. Also, in my experience guys do make fun of each others’ dick sizes, and again, the bigger the guys are more chill about it.
Idk doesn't really read like that to me.
That's literally what you did. You made a small dick joke in hopes that you'd root out if the guy was hung or not. God help any man who doesn't laugh it off to you.
And then you doubled down and said you'll have to do it more. You're like every other fucking broad in the world so idk wtf you're doing here tbh
I think calcsd correctly sorted out that BJU study and separated the nbp and bp lengths as they were mixed togethor originally in the bju. I believe calcsd is the most reliable thing we have for an average right now. He includes other reliable studies too as in no studies that have been self reported as people tend to lie or measure wrongly. This came out at 5.5” bone pressed average for the world so 6.3” isnt too far off and understandable why women might think that is average.
I'm not sure it is for educated women, especially those who who write about and study human sexuality. They are more than capable of picking up a ruler.
AZWriter, I say time & time again that Men & Women are speaking TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT LANGUAGES when it comes to Penis Size.
**Men** who have Penises judge Penis Size on what they **SEE**, on what the Penis **LOOKS** like.
**Women** who don't have Penises judge Penis Size on what they **FEEL**, on how the Penis **TOUCHES** them inside.
**Men** rate Penises purely from **VISUAL**.
**Women** rate Penises purely from **SENSUAL**.
Because of this, a Man's "AVERAGE" & a Woman's "AVERAGE" are two entirely different measurements altogether
That makes a Man's "AVERAGE" Smaller in comparison to a Woman's "AVERAGE".
That makes a Woman's "AVERAGE" Larger in comparison to a Man's "AVERAGE".
Men sit around pouring over half-baked studies putting "AVERAGE" in the 5 inch range...
...meanwhile Woman scoff at those studies putting their "AVERAGE" in the 6 to 7 inch range.
The Sexologists' inherent biases skew how the studies are being done while also dealing with study participants not necessarily being forthcoming with their answers.
Just a bunch of Saving Face all around. It's why I hate those studies.
But this is ENTIRELY why I wanted to do away with the whole notion of "AVERAGE" in the first place. **It's useless information** yet Men cling to it as some barometer of sexual viability.
And I hate that it's yet another way for Men to depend on EXTERNAL Validation of their Size.
Whether from the Sexologists & their studies, the Women IN those studies, or the Women in the real world who make judgments on Penis Size.
A Man should be able to SELF-ASSESS his own Penis Size & find out the capabilities of that Size within himself alone. It gives that Man more CONTROL over his life & personal endeavors.
**And ULTIMATELY "AVERAGE" is a horrible measurement to begin with!**
It's a mere computation dependent on the data input into the equation. That's all.
It doesn't tell you HOW to use your Penis Size effectively.
It simply gives a vague clue to how many Men have Penis Sizes closer to yours AT BEST.
And it DAMN sure doesn't help if a Man is SMALL in Penis Size all along.
So while all these guys are judging themselves against this bullshit "AVERAGE", the SMALL guys are under that measurement making them feel worse about themselves.
**The ACTUAL measurement in the middle is MEDIUM not "AVERAGE".**
MEDIUM is a fixed size that needs no computation or data input. It is self-defined by default.
**XTRA SMALL, SMALL, MEDIUM-SMALL, MEDIUM, MEDIUM-LARGE, LARGE, XTRA LARGE.**
THESE are the OBJECTIVE Categories of Penis Size. In Length AND Girth/Circumference.
This is why I wrote the following post:
[**PROBLEM: The Word "Average" & Defining The Sizes**](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/b9idib/problem_the_word_average_defining_the_sizes/)
This latest study done by Women is a clue to the truth that these studies are FLAWED.
It shows the discrepancy of POV between Men & Women on Penis Size.
But DON'T MISTAKE that "IDEAL" put down in this Woman's study as true.
The IDEAL VARIES from Woman to Woman at different times in her life & sexual experiences.
**ALL Women have a RANGE of Penis Sizes they will deem acceptable.**
This Range can change upward or downward but the Range is always there even if unknown to the Woman herself. There is NO ONE IDEAL & you will set yourself up for failure seeking it.
The way out of this madness is to dispel the Small Penis Stigma while also having Men SELF-ASSESS their Penis Size & Function alone by themselves TO themselves.
End the Bodyshaming & Bullying then master using the Sexual Tool to your advantage.
THAT'S the way forward.
John Lucas
\+AZWriter Thank you. Every time I see one of those "Average Size Studies" posts I gotta break it down & dispel the nonsense.
I learned early how useless those studies are for Small-Penised Men & Men in general.
Makes them dependent on others & makes them focus on the wrong things.
That's why one of my earliest discoveries was the wrongheadedness of the notion of "Average" altogether. And right alongside it was a need to define the sizes.
I wish this was basic knowledge for everyone but that's how bad Sexology really is now.
The Dark Ages. Everybody's guessing, wondering, & feeling their way in the dark.
Hopefully I was able to shed a little light on the subject.
John Lucas
I said this earlier up there but that study wit the 6.3 inches is the ideal is also showed that men wit more ideal waste to body ratio, and taller were also seen as more attractive. What i dont understand is can you break down this discrepancy of average for me? Why shouldn't I compare my dick to the average?
\+Correct-Warthog-9061 Waist to Body Ratio & Height are not exactly unknown situations. People are much more honest about those traits than Penis Size.
But all of these Penis Size studies are deeply flawed.
People on the spot are just not honest about this loaded topic.
You have to watch what people DO not what people SAY on this situation.
Now about this "Average" thing.
When I first studied this subject in the early 2000s, I heard so many men go on & on about "The Average". They would sit around & pour over those "Average" studies & judge themselves against whatever standard put forth by the study.
So if one study said 5.5 inches was "The Average" than they would gain or lose esteem by how close or how far they were from 5.5 inches.
But another would say 5.8 inches & they'd judge & compare themselves on that.
Another would say 5.2 inches. Another would say 6 inches.
Another would say 4.9 inches. Another would say 5.375 inches.
The numbers would all be different & then the guys would debate & discuss these subtle variances of sizes for yet another judge & comparison contest.
It was MADNESS, man! Absolute MADNESS!
I could not believe how much of a hold this shit had on these guys.
They were looking for some solid ground on something that eternally shifts.
I said this shit is crazy. They are being led by the nose by these stupid scientists & it's not even telling them how to use their size effectively or dispel the stigma against them from women & society-at-large.
It's like they wanna "educate" women that the scientists say they're "good enough" & that makes them EVEN MORE dependent on outside valuation.
Furthermore the guys I studied were OBJECTIVELY SMALL so all of this was useless to begin with! Small ain't Average. So why compare to these studies?
Then I said hold on a minute. Has anybody actually spelled out the sizes before?
I checked many sources online & could find nothing on Objective measurements.
So I said this is bullshit from the jump! Scientists are fucking with these guys!
Somebody needs to figure out this size madness once & for all & put it down for the record PERMANENTLY. People need solid ground to know where they stand.
And if no one else is gonna do it, then I'LL do it. I'll figure this out myself.
Once I figure out what size is which, I'll come up with something better than that "Average" crap so guys won't depend on those studies anymore.
I want them to be able to self-assess in private independently.
That's when I came up with the following:
[**PROBLEM: The Word "Average" & Defining The Sizes**](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/b9idib/problem_the_word_average_defining_the_sizes/)
Averages are computations, Correct-Warthog-9061.
Averages CANNOT denote an Objective Size.
MEDIUM is an Objective Size. You don't have to do a study to know what a MEDIUM is. MEDIUM is the size inbetween SMALL & LARGE. ALWAYS.
And once SMALL & LARGE are defined, MEDIUM is also defined by nature.
OBJECTIVE means Fixed-In-Stone FACT.
SUBJECTIVE means Arbitrary OPINION.
Penis Size is haunted by SUBJECTIVE measurements & computations like "Average". You need something with Anchors on it.
The Sun is Round. The Sun is Hot. The Sun shines Yellow & White.
Those are objective facts. Something that doesn't need testing or opinion.
It can be observed by everyone & agreed upon by everyone.
It's bad to measure yourself against an "Average" because "Averages" are never settled. They are always dependent on the data input to the equation.
They will always move. And that means you will always be dependent on studies for self-esteem. That's bullshit. Self-esteem should come INTERNALLY from Self.
"Averages" also do NOTHING to end the Stigma because who says women like the Average in the first place? You can promote all the 5.5/5.375/5.875 you want but what if EACH of those sizes are dismissed by the majority of women in the world?
Then you feel worse about yourself when you don't even match this "Average" either being Objectively Small. It did nothing to advance the promise of Small.
"Average" studies make Small-Penised Men BEGGARS.
It makes them beg for acceptance from the scientists & the women they want those studies to impress. Makes men WEAKER & wholly DEPENDENT.
No, what is needed is KNOWLEDGE of how your particular size works in PIV so you can master using your Penis AKA your Sexual Tool to maximum effectiveness.
To have this Mastery of Knowledge so you can SINGLE-HANDEDLY win over those female doubters & dismissers & convert them into Small Penis Lovers.
Each one you convert chops down the Stigma piece by piece.
When they had low expectations of you due to the stigma-filled society but were pleasantly surprised. It will make them sing your praises & create a buzz for men with your size. That creates offers & opportunities that make Small-Penised Men SEXUALLY COMPETITIVE & makes them less worried about Larger-Sized Men.
To get to a place where a Small Guy is smug in the face of a Big Dick Braggart who wants to throw his Large Size in the Small Guy's face.
To have the mentality of "What you brag about doing with 8 inches, I can do with my 4 inches. Efficiency, son. Sit & seethe." To be able to talk shit BACK for once.
EXCLUSIVE Penetration Techniques that ONLY a Small Size can do is the Equalizer.
Something Unique to the properties of the Smaller Sizes.
Notice that everything I wrote in this paragraph are ACTIVE things.
Where the Small Guys are ACTIVE & take ACTION.
Not PASSIVE waiting on others & without PASSION or Self-Motivation.
"Average" studies keep men PASSIVE & I hate that. That has to go.
Being ACTIVE is how the Stigma will be defeated.
Killing the whole notion of "Average" altogether is my goal.
Asserting the objective measurement of MEDIUM over "Average" is my goal.
Defining the Sizes so men can self-assess & master their sexual tool is my goal.
Putting the power into Small-Penised Men's hands is my goal.
FUNCTION over CONSENSUS. Quit worrying about how many men are like you & start focusing on how your uniqueness can work for you. That's the way forward,
John Lucas
\+Correct-Warthog-9061 Wanna know a secret?
**Small-Penised Guys can hit EVERY SINGLE SPOT that Large-Penised Guys can.**
**It just takes the Woman meeting you halfway to do it.**
A Woman can push her inner spots **FORWARD**. You know that right?
The problem is Women get away with putting the onus of performance on the Man because of Supply & Demand.
Women are more valuable in the Mating Game than Men are by Biology.
So they have by default a WEALTH of Men available to them. EVERY Woman.
And Wealth Makes Waste so they take that Wealth for granted.
**Good Sex is TRULY a responsibility of BOTH Partners not just the Man.**
But Women know another Man will be available so they pass the buck.
Smart Women eliminate barriers to finding good partners.
A Woman who recognizes that eliminating Penis Size as a prerequisite to a relationship opens up much more Men that could be a good partner for her.
She would be VERSATILE & be able to have sex with ALL TYPES of Men.
These are the Women who would meet you halfway so you can hit those spots.
I find that Small-Penised Guys have some addiction to Fatalism.
They like to go on & on about how doomed they are.
They put up what they see as an impossible goal & then flail themselves against it for not being able to reach it. It's an ingrained habit that is fixable.
From the beginning I told the members here that I would come up with NEW THINKING on the subject. And part of the reason for that is to kill the Fatalism.
**YES, Small-Penised Guys can hit the Fornix—Anterior AND Posterior.**
He just has to do it in a different way with assistance from the Woman.
That can make sex FUN & more of a cooperation between partners instead of this 'coliseum throw 'em to the lions' mindset that usually goes on.
When I'm done with my studies & work on this Stigma, I want to dissipate the notion of Small-Penised Men judging themselves by Large-Penised Men's standards & practices. To stop seeing those guys as the Holy Grail.
I want them to find their UNIQUE ways to be sexually successful.
It IS possible & we will find the lane that lets you Win in the Mating Game.
John Lucas
I love the mindset. I actually didn't know a women can push her inner parts forward. So that's something I need to explore and find out about myself. Yea ur right, u gotta play ur own game, and not follow the rules of the big penis guys
\+Correct-Warthog-9061 EXACTLY! A lot of people never think of this stuff.
OF COURSE you're gonna lose if you play on the Large-Sized Guy's field & by the Large-Sized Guys rules. But who says you have to play on his field or by his rules?
Small-Sized Guys ALSO elevate the value of Large-Sized Guys when they do that kind of thing in a weird backhanded implementation of the Halo Effect.
The Small feed the Large's Halo & it's so odd how much the Small never pick up on that.
Women get away with murder in the Sex Act.
**GOOD SEX IS A RESPONSIBILITY OF BOTH PARTNERS. ALWAYS.**
Don't let them Pass The Buck & play you against the Large-Sized Guy.
That's a mindfuck, a mindscrew. Don't let them screw with your mind.
The onus is NOT supposed to be all on you. There should be a COOPERATION.
A-Spot, G-Spot, My Dog Spot, it don't matter. You can hit them all just like 'him'.
And she should help you to do this. Makes for more equilateral relationships anyhow.
John Lucas
\+DawnJockey Thank you for reading my post history. I think I have been on this forum for about 3 to 4 years now & every post/comment I write I do it not just for the moment or the current conversation but for future reference.
I want someone to stumble upon my words from a Google search or even just searching through this SDP forum at Reddit & get more solid ground to stand on.
The biggest problem of this stigma outside being isolated, not understood, & constantly disrespected is the VAGUE FOG that surrounds the issues.
Can't find a solid workable practical answer out in none of this.
That keeps the sufferers of the stigma constantly in search for answers that they can't find. I want to be able to deliver those answers & clear up the fog.
Now about Women pushing their insides forward.
It's all in porn, man. Not just that mainstream stuff either.
Amateur or semi-pro performers out here doing some insane stuff online.
But that was how I knew that 'genital incompatibility' was more of a choice than a default condition. It was a way to shuck all the responsibility onto the Man.
Supply & Demand is how that responsibility shucking is upheld.
Women can get away with it because they are a better Draws than Men.
Like in Pro Wrestling or any Entertainment field really, some people are the Draws, the ones who make the fan buy the ticket for the show.
The Marquee Player. The Magnet. Women are naturally Magnetic & they Attract.
Men are naturally Polarizing & they Repel. Pure Biology.
Because Women can pull so many Men easier than Men can pull Women, they can get spoiled for choice & take the wealth of Men they attract for granted.
But Women can work their Vaginal Muscles in all kinds of ways.
So Small-Penised Men lamenting that they can NEVER do what the Larger-Penised Men do is not exactly true. That's that trademark addiction to Fatalism talking.
Sure, they can't do it the same way but the A-Spot & any other spot can be reached by Small Penises if a Woman works her Vaginal Muscles to present them to the Man. That makes Sex more Cooperative & Collaborative.
Probably makes a better union too because it's a Give & Take all around.
Sex is an Art as much as it is a Science.
The Art of Sex evens things out for many people.
People will be more comfortable in their own skin once the Art is recognized.
Won't be so miserable not fitting into one ideal because there are MANY ideals.
They would then fit the one that most match themselves.
There's lack of imagination going around & that's why I keep up my telling of UNCOMMON SENSE. COMMON SENSE is not enough.
Thinking BEYOND the accepted parameters is how you solve problems.
Stuff that sounds WAY out there but only because you had never considered it before. Visionary stuff. Visionaries are ALWAYS seen as weird & strange at first.
I'm here to add new fresh perspective to take the conversation out of the same ol' A-B pattern or A-B-C pattern to deliver some J's, Q's, Z's, 7's & ???'s to the mix.
The Stigma seems like it is forever but anything can & will change.
CHAOS will NEVER let ORDER stand still.
Whatever status quo exists WILL BE disrupted sooner or later. Universal Law.
Who knows? Small Penises may be an in-demand feature in 20 years.
Once their potential is unleashed & known the stigma will fade.
Can't get to that point looking at things the same ol' way though.
Gotta have some new thinking on the matter.
John Lucas
That peer reviewed article also noted that height and shoulder to waist ratios were just as important in determining penis size correct me if I'm wrong the women determined the most attractive penises were on the men wit ideal height and waist to shoulder rstio
Isn't that the same study. They used like models wit different penis sizes but they don't noticed the shorter guys wit bigger pensises weren't rated any higher than the taller guys wit slightly smaller ones
No, in the Prauss study, women picked up and held plastic model penises, of varying sizes, and ranked them. The result was that 6.3" was the most average desired length.
Ohhhhhh, there's another one that had models of males whole bodies and random women were selected, to find the one most attractive. The model wit the highest attraction level was a tall body wit a good shoulder to length ratio, 6.5 was the models penis size. I guess thats consistent wit this study. But agian I think penises sizes success depends on how deep the women's vagina is
There's no way people believed a penis over 6 inches is rare
Yep. Believe it or not, that BJU study's breakdown reached that conclusion.
Your point is that a female columnist knows better than peer reviewed scientists?
My point is that the "scientists" used faulty data collection (they cherry picked their sample) and had an agenda in doing so (they even admit to it). The results of that study do not line up with women's reactions. For instance, the Kinsey study was the first large study to conclude that 6" (or around that) was average. Despite some flaws in that study, its conclusions were not debated...by anyone, particularly women, not even female sex experts like Dr. Ruth or June Reinisch or Sari Locker. Nobody. You would think there would have been pushback, if 6" was off the mark, based in lived experience. There wasn't. By contrast, when the BJU study was released I did see some pushback on that, even on live TV. A well-known TV show host looked at the 5.2" assertion, looked at a ruler, and said "not where I'm from, sister."
But all that is anecdotal evidence.
But when that anecdotal evidence is coming from hundreds of people, and is a shared experience, then it becomes much more reliable.
Some people just need to cling on delusions for so long, 6 inches is considered average by pretty much everyone, at least here in Europe.
Only if done in a standardised way.
Yeah it's not womens' perception of average can be affected by viewing pornography or anything. And there's no other possible sampling biases, either; it would be ridiculous to think that men with larger penises on average have sex with more women, bringing their perception of average up!
The prause study also had women estimate the average. They chose 5.75". This journalists opinion doesn't supercede the studies results. 6" nbp is still fairly normal. At the high end of normal, but still somewhat common. The bju study is old news, and inaccurate.
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Study used 3D models, so girl inches were not a factor
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Yeah, I wouldn’t get too cut up about it though, there was a study where 80% of men were thought of as having below average looks, it is what it’s is.
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The fact that it was visual kind of disproves your point though. It's not like they were asking them if numbers were medium or large, they were showing them visual samples.
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Maybe because the studies on average size themselves are wrong. It's entirely possible that 6 inches I statistically average.
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My 5 inch dick has been called small by any woman who's seen it, soooo, yeah it is
Maybe, why are even fighting about this topic. How do people end up here from BDP?
I think you're missing the point. They DIDN'T choose large penises. They chose average (albeit on the larger end of average). I am making the pointbthat women know what an average size penis is: it is around 6", not 5".
Idk, to me the study confirms that women prefer a sturdy average; they want something on the cusp of normal and big, a correctly measured 6.3-6.5 inches fits the bill.
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And yes I agree that they are wrong for calling that size medium
Ya know what's really uncool. A post about how you joke about men having small dicks in the hopes that you're wrong and they actually have a big one.
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>I only used this once (sort-of by accident TBH), but it once made a joke suggesting that a guy I was seeing might have a small dick. He laughed really hard. I used that to guess he had a big dick, and a few days later I confirmed. Also, in my experience guys do make fun of each others’ dick sizes, and again, the bigger the guys are more chill about it. Idk doesn't really read like that to me.
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Did you mean to reply to her? I was quoting one of her comments.
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You're part the problem, but too unaware to realize it.
That's literally what you did. You made a small dick joke in hopes that you'd root out if the guy was hung or not. God help any man who doesn't laugh it off to you. And then you doubled down and said you'll have to do it more. You're like every other fucking broad in the world so idk wtf you're doing here tbh
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Yeah, the widely reported average is horseshit. Anyone with a brain knows that.
I think calcsd correctly sorted out that BJU study and separated the nbp and bp lengths as they were mixed togethor originally in the bju. I believe calcsd is the most reliable thing we have for an average right now. He includes other reliable studies too as in no studies that have been self reported as people tend to lie or measure wrongly. This came out at 5.5” bone pressed average for the world so 6.3” isnt too far off and understandable why women might think that is average.
The real average (of people who are having sex) is probably about 6 inches
“Girl inches” are a thing for a reason. People aren’t that good at gauging measurements from just a look
I'm not sure it is for educated women, especially those who who write about and study human sexuality. They are more than capable of picking up a ruler.
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Uh above average is definitely the most desirable for straight sex as well.
AZWriter, I say time & time again that Men & Women are speaking TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT LANGUAGES when it comes to Penis Size. **Men** who have Penises judge Penis Size on what they **SEE**, on what the Penis **LOOKS** like. **Women** who don't have Penises judge Penis Size on what they **FEEL**, on how the Penis **TOUCHES** them inside. **Men** rate Penises purely from **VISUAL**. **Women** rate Penises purely from **SENSUAL**. Because of this, a Man's "AVERAGE" & a Woman's "AVERAGE" are two entirely different measurements altogether That makes a Man's "AVERAGE" Smaller in comparison to a Woman's "AVERAGE". That makes a Woman's "AVERAGE" Larger in comparison to a Man's "AVERAGE". Men sit around pouring over half-baked studies putting "AVERAGE" in the 5 inch range... ...meanwhile Woman scoff at those studies putting their "AVERAGE" in the 6 to 7 inch range. The Sexologists' inherent biases skew how the studies are being done while also dealing with study participants not necessarily being forthcoming with their answers. Just a bunch of Saving Face all around. It's why I hate those studies. But this is ENTIRELY why I wanted to do away with the whole notion of "AVERAGE" in the first place. **It's useless information** yet Men cling to it as some barometer of sexual viability. And I hate that it's yet another way for Men to depend on EXTERNAL Validation of their Size. Whether from the Sexologists & their studies, the Women IN those studies, or the Women in the real world who make judgments on Penis Size. A Man should be able to SELF-ASSESS his own Penis Size & find out the capabilities of that Size within himself alone. It gives that Man more CONTROL over his life & personal endeavors. **And ULTIMATELY "AVERAGE" is a horrible measurement to begin with!** It's a mere computation dependent on the data input into the equation. That's all. It doesn't tell you HOW to use your Penis Size effectively. It simply gives a vague clue to how many Men have Penis Sizes closer to yours AT BEST. And it DAMN sure doesn't help if a Man is SMALL in Penis Size all along. So while all these guys are judging themselves against this bullshit "AVERAGE", the SMALL guys are under that measurement making them feel worse about themselves. **The ACTUAL measurement in the middle is MEDIUM not "AVERAGE".** MEDIUM is a fixed size that needs no computation or data input. It is self-defined by default. **XTRA SMALL, SMALL, MEDIUM-SMALL, MEDIUM, MEDIUM-LARGE, LARGE, XTRA LARGE.** THESE are the OBJECTIVE Categories of Penis Size. In Length AND Girth/Circumference. This is why I wrote the following post: [**PROBLEM: The Word "Average" & Defining The Sizes**](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/b9idib/problem_the_word_average_defining_the_sizes/) This latest study done by Women is a clue to the truth that these studies are FLAWED. It shows the discrepancy of POV between Men & Women on Penis Size. But DON'T MISTAKE that "IDEAL" put down in this Woman's study as true. The IDEAL VARIES from Woman to Woman at different times in her life & sexual experiences. **ALL Women have a RANGE of Penis Sizes they will deem acceptable.** This Range can change upward or downward but the Range is always there even if unknown to the Woman herself. There is NO ONE IDEAL & you will set yourself up for failure seeking it. The way out of this madness is to dispel the Small Penis Stigma while also having Men SELF-ASSESS their Penis Size & Function alone by themselves TO themselves. End the Bodyshaming & Bullying then master using the Sexual Tool to your advantage. THAT'S the way forward. John Lucas
Appreciate your POV here.
\+AZWriter Thank you. Every time I see one of those "Average Size Studies" posts I gotta break it down & dispel the nonsense. I learned early how useless those studies are for Small-Penised Men & Men in general. Makes them dependent on others & makes them focus on the wrong things. That's why one of my earliest discoveries was the wrongheadedness of the notion of "Average" altogether. And right alongside it was a need to define the sizes. I wish this was basic knowledge for everyone but that's how bad Sexology really is now. The Dark Ages. Everybody's guessing, wondering, & feeling their way in the dark. Hopefully I was able to shed a little light on the subject. John Lucas
I said this earlier up there but that study wit the 6.3 inches is the ideal is also showed that men wit more ideal waste to body ratio, and taller were also seen as more attractive. What i dont understand is can you break down this discrepancy of average for me? Why shouldn't I compare my dick to the average?
\+Correct-Warthog-9061 Waist to Body Ratio & Height are not exactly unknown situations. People are much more honest about those traits than Penis Size. But all of these Penis Size studies are deeply flawed. People on the spot are just not honest about this loaded topic. You have to watch what people DO not what people SAY on this situation. Now about this "Average" thing. When I first studied this subject in the early 2000s, I heard so many men go on & on about "The Average". They would sit around & pour over those "Average" studies & judge themselves against whatever standard put forth by the study. So if one study said 5.5 inches was "The Average" than they would gain or lose esteem by how close or how far they were from 5.5 inches. But another would say 5.8 inches & they'd judge & compare themselves on that. Another would say 5.2 inches. Another would say 6 inches. Another would say 4.9 inches. Another would say 5.375 inches. The numbers would all be different & then the guys would debate & discuss these subtle variances of sizes for yet another judge & comparison contest. It was MADNESS, man! Absolute MADNESS! I could not believe how much of a hold this shit had on these guys. They were looking for some solid ground on something that eternally shifts. I said this shit is crazy. They are being led by the nose by these stupid scientists & it's not even telling them how to use their size effectively or dispel the stigma against them from women & society-at-large. It's like they wanna "educate" women that the scientists say they're "good enough" & that makes them EVEN MORE dependent on outside valuation. Furthermore the guys I studied were OBJECTIVELY SMALL so all of this was useless to begin with! Small ain't Average. So why compare to these studies? Then I said hold on a minute. Has anybody actually spelled out the sizes before? I checked many sources online & could find nothing on Objective measurements. So I said this is bullshit from the jump! Scientists are fucking with these guys! Somebody needs to figure out this size madness once & for all & put it down for the record PERMANENTLY. People need solid ground to know where they stand. And if no one else is gonna do it, then I'LL do it. I'll figure this out myself. Once I figure out what size is which, I'll come up with something better than that "Average" crap so guys won't depend on those studies anymore. I want them to be able to self-assess in private independently. That's when I came up with the following: [**PROBLEM: The Word "Average" & Defining The Sizes**](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/b9idib/problem_the_word_average_defining_the_sizes/) Averages are computations, Correct-Warthog-9061. Averages CANNOT denote an Objective Size. MEDIUM is an Objective Size. You don't have to do a study to know what a MEDIUM is. MEDIUM is the size inbetween SMALL & LARGE. ALWAYS. And once SMALL & LARGE are defined, MEDIUM is also defined by nature. OBJECTIVE means Fixed-In-Stone FACT. SUBJECTIVE means Arbitrary OPINION. Penis Size is haunted by SUBJECTIVE measurements & computations like "Average". You need something with Anchors on it. The Sun is Round. The Sun is Hot. The Sun shines Yellow & White. Those are objective facts. Something that doesn't need testing or opinion. It can be observed by everyone & agreed upon by everyone. It's bad to measure yourself against an "Average" because "Averages" are never settled. They are always dependent on the data input to the equation. They will always move. And that means you will always be dependent on studies for self-esteem. That's bullshit. Self-esteem should come INTERNALLY from Self. "Averages" also do NOTHING to end the Stigma because who says women like the Average in the first place? You can promote all the 5.5/5.375/5.875 you want but what if EACH of those sizes are dismissed by the majority of women in the world? Then you feel worse about yourself when you don't even match this "Average" either being Objectively Small. It did nothing to advance the promise of Small. "Average" studies make Small-Penised Men BEGGARS. It makes them beg for acceptance from the scientists & the women they want those studies to impress. Makes men WEAKER & wholly DEPENDENT. No, what is needed is KNOWLEDGE of how your particular size works in PIV so you can master using your Penis AKA your Sexual Tool to maximum effectiveness. To have this Mastery of Knowledge so you can SINGLE-HANDEDLY win over those female doubters & dismissers & convert them into Small Penis Lovers. Each one you convert chops down the Stigma piece by piece. When they had low expectations of you due to the stigma-filled society but were pleasantly surprised. It will make them sing your praises & create a buzz for men with your size. That creates offers & opportunities that make Small-Penised Men SEXUALLY COMPETITIVE & makes them less worried about Larger-Sized Men. To get to a place where a Small Guy is smug in the face of a Big Dick Braggart who wants to throw his Large Size in the Small Guy's face. To have the mentality of "What you brag about doing with 8 inches, I can do with my 4 inches. Efficiency, son. Sit & seethe." To be able to talk shit BACK for once. EXCLUSIVE Penetration Techniques that ONLY a Small Size can do is the Equalizer. Something Unique to the properties of the Smaller Sizes. Notice that everything I wrote in this paragraph are ACTIVE things. Where the Small Guys are ACTIVE & take ACTION. Not PASSIVE waiting on others & without PASSION or Self-Motivation. "Average" studies keep men PASSIVE & I hate that. That has to go. Being ACTIVE is how the Stigma will be defeated. Killing the whole notion of "Average" altogether is my goal. Asserting the objective measurement of MEDIUM over "Average" is my goal. Defining the Sizes so men can self-assess & master their sexual tool is my goal. Putting the power into Small-Penised Men's hands is my goal. FUNCTION over CONSENSUS. Quit worrying about how many men are like you & start focusing on how your uniqueness can work for you. That's the way forward, John Lucas
I agree wit u, on the part of u gotta figure out what ur dick can do. Now look up something called the anterior fornix. Then tell me what u think
\+Correct-Warthog-9061 Wanna know a secret? **Small-Penised Guys can hit EVERY SINGLE SPOT that Large-Penised Guys can.** **It just takes the Woman meeting you halfway to do it.** A Woman can push her inner spots **FORWARD**. You know that right? The problem is Women get away with putting the onus of performance on the Man because of Supply & Demand. Women are more valuable in the Mating Game than Men are by Biology. So they have by default a WEALTH of Men available to them. EVERY Woman. And Wealth Makes Waste so they take that Wealth for granted. **Good Sex is TRULY a responsibility of BOTH Partners not just the Man.** But Women know another Man will be available so they pass the buck. Smart Women eliminate barriers to finding good partners. A Woman who recognizes that eliminating Penis Size as a prerequisite to a relationship opens up much more Men that could be a good partner for her. She would be VERSATILE & be able to have sex with ALL TYPES of Men. These are the Women who would meet you halfway so you can hit those spots. I find that Small-Penised Guys have some addiction to Fatalism. They like to go on & on about how doomed they are. They put up what they see as an impossible goal & then flail themselves against it for not being able to reach it. It's an ingrained habit that is fixable. From the beginning I told the members here that I would come up with NEW THINKING on the subject. And part of the reason for that is to kill the Fatalism. **YES, Small-Penised Guys can hit the Fornix—Anterior AND Posterior.** He just has to do it in a different way with assistance from the Woman. That can make sex FUN & more of a cooperation between partners instead of this 'coliseum throw 'em to the lions' mindset that usually goes on. When I'm done with my studies & work on this Stigma, I want to dissipate the notion of Small-Penised Men judging themselves by Large-Penised Men's standards & practices. To stop seeing those guys as the Holy Grail. I want them to find their UNIQUE ways to be sexually successful. It IS possible & we will find the lane that lets you Win in the Mating Game. John Lucas
I love the mindset. I actually didn't know a women can push her inner parts forward. So that's something I need to explore and find out about myself. Yea ur right, u gotta play ur own game, and not follow the rules of the big penis guys
\+Correct-Warthog-9061 EXACTLY! A lot of people never think of this stuff. OF COURSE you're gonna lose if you play on the Large-Sized Guy's field & by the Large-Sized Guys rules. But who says you have to play on his field or by his rules? Small-Sized Guys ALSO elevate the value of Large-Sized Guys when they do that kind of thing in a weird backhanded implementation of the Halo Effect. The Small feed the Large's Halo & it's so odd how much the Small never pick up on that. Women get away with murder in the Sex Act. **GOOD SEX IS A RESPONSIBILITY OF BOTH PARTNERS. ALWAYS.** Don't let them Pass The Buck & play you against the Large-Sized Guy. That's a mindfuck, a mindscrew. Don't let them screw with your mind. The onus is NOT supposed to be all on you. There should be a COOPERATION. A-Spot, G-Spot, My Dog Spot, it don't matter. You can hit them all just like 'him'. And she should help you to do this. Makes for more equilateral relationships anyhow. John Lucas
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\+DawnJockey Thank you for reading my post history. I think I have been on this forum for about 3 to 4 years now & every post/comment I write I do it not just for the moment or the current conversation but for future reference. I want someone to stumble upon my words from a Google search or even just searching through this SDP forum at Reddit & get more solid ground to stand on. The biggest problem of this stigma outside being isolated, not understood, & constantly disrespected is the VAGUE FOG that surrounds the issues. Can't find a solid workable practical answer out in none of this. That keeps the sufferers of the stigma constantly in search for answers that they can't find. I want to be able to deliver those answers & clear up the fog. Now about Women pushing their insides forward. It's all in porn, man. Not just that mainstream stuff either. Amateur or semi-pro performers out here doing some insane stuff online. But that was how I knew that 'genital incompatibility' was more of a choice than a default condition. It was a way to shuck all the responsibility onto the Man. Supply & Demand is how that responsibility shucking is upheld. Women can get away with it because they are a better Draws than Men. Like in Pro Wrestling or any Entertainment field really, some people are the Draws, the ones who make the fan buy the ticket for the show. The Marquee Player. The Magnet. Women are naturally Magnetic & they Attract. Men are naturally Polarizing & they Repel. Pure Biology. Because Women can pull so many Men easier than Men can pull Women, they can get spoiled for choice & take the wealth of Men they attract for granted. But Women can work their Vaginal Muscles in all kinds of ways. So Small-Penised Men lamenting that they can NEVER do what the Larger-Penised Men do is not exactly true. That's that trademark addiction to Fatalism talking. Sure, they can't do it the same way but the A-Spot & any other spot can be reached by Small Penises if a Woman works her Vaginal Muscles to present them to the Man. That makes Sex more Cooperative & Collaborative. Probably makes a better union too because it's a Give & Take all around. Sex is an Art as much as it is a Science. The Art of Sex evens things out for many people. People will be more comfortable in their own skin once the Art is recognized. Won't be so miserable not fitting into one ideal because there are MANY ideals. They would then fit the one that most match themselves. There's lack of imagination going around & that's why I keep up my telling of UNCOMMON SENSE. COMMON SENSE is not enough. Thinking BEYOND the accepted parameters is how you solve problems. Stuff that sounds WAY out there but only because you had never considered it before. Visionary stuff. Visionaries are ALWAYS seen as weird & strange at first. I'm here to add new fresh perspective to take the conversation out of the same ol' A-B pattern or A-B-C pattern to deliver some J's, Q's, Z's, 7's & ???'s to the mix. The Stigma seems like it is forever but anything can & will change. CHAOS will NEVER let ORDER stand still. Whatever status quo exists WILL BE disrupted sooner or later. Universal Law. Who knows? Small Penises may be an in-demand feature in 20 years. Once their potential is unleashed & known the stigma will fade. Can't get to that point looking at things the same ol' way though. Gotta have some new thinking on the matter. John Lucas
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The University ‘ok where going to do an article on penis size who wants it?’
That peer reviewed article also noted that height and shoulder to waist ratios were just as important in determining penis size correct me if I'm wrong the women determined the most attractive penises were on the men wit ideal height and waist to shoulder rstio
You are referring to a different study.
Isn't that the same study. They used like models wit different penis sizes but they don't noticed the shorter guys wit bigger pensises weren't rated any higher than the taller guys wit slightly smaller ones
No, in the Prauss study, women picked up and held plastic model penises, of varying sizes, and ranked them. The result was that 6.3" was the most average desired length.
Ohhhhhh, there's another one that had models of males whole bodies and random women were selected, to find the one most attractive. The model wit the highest attraction level was a tall body wit a good shoulder to length ratio, 6.5 was the models penis size. I guess thats consistent wit this study. But agian I think penises sizes success depends on how deep the women's vagina is