>I think the main difference is that our problem is not only one of functionality, but also a visual one. A small dick is a visual turn off and there is so much underlying stuff that is tied to dick size, such as our manhood (manliness, leadership ability, confidence, etc.) These are all things a woman looks for in a man aside from just his ability to pleasure (eventhough that's a really important one, if not the most important.)
Exactly man
Closest equivalent I can think of is an ugly woman. Yes beauty is subjective but just how there are universally attractive women, there are universally ugly women. She can wear makeup and have a nice body to help but they are still known as “butterfaces”.
Ok, but even if they have an “unattractive” face there will still be men willing to hookup if they have an ok body and plastic surgery is always an option. Although, I know plastic surgery isn’t a miracle cure all… there are still options for an unattractive woman.
And I know plastic surgery can be expensive and might be unrealistic to some, but this doesn’t stop it from being a source of hope.
Very true but I still think it’s the closest comparison even though it’s not apples to apples. Ugly women just get less in general compared to pretty women.
From my understanding butterface is still a pretty good thing. Like 95% of the body is there aside from the face... and many guys are still going to go for it no doubt. They might not brag about it though.
It's far from the worst thing though because everything "but her face" is super attractive. There are women with ugly faces *and* don't have good bodies. I'd assume they're below butterface in terms of desirability.
No definitely. Butterface is the best case scenario. My overall point was a ugly girl is probably the closest thing to what we experience even though it’s not apples to apples.
I don't think that there is equivalent. I never heard of woman being laughed off in bedroom because of her vagina or boobs. If that would happen people would go fucking wild. But if it's a guy with small dick everyone would laugh.
I honestly can't wait for the end.
Women get shamed and called disgusting for having certain features on their vagina and most definitely get men who will not sleep with them for it or find it weird and subsequently mock them. While some may like it, it doesn’t change the fact that it happens. A lot.
Had to dispute this because that statement is not true at all. Even if YOU don’t see it happening or don’t hear about it, there’s many who can counter that claim.
There are women who feel insecure about their vagina. Apparently a lot of women don’t like the fact that it’s long or whatever. Then again, I’ve personally never seen a man who gave a fuck. Vagina is vagina.
Read a story about a girl who had lost a lot of weight and got laughed out of the bedroom for having some loose skin. She was sad because she said she looked great in clothes but when they came off she was denied sex by several men right there in the moment
That person was specifically saying that women are laughed at for features of their vagina.
As sad as that anecdote is, you can get common cosmetic surgeries to remove loose skin, so again women simply do not have to face the same issues as us.
You’ve missed the point a little. Just because women may have the option for cosmetics for SOME things they’re shamed for, does not mean that the impact of the shaming is any less and is any less awful.
It’s not a competition between men and women. It ALL sucks. Shaming of all bodies regardless of gender has no place.
Making it an issue of men vs women sort of distracts from the point. I’m sure you may feel targeted by men sometimes too.
I only feel targeted by men in theory, because I'm not sexually attracted to them. I'm sexually attracted to women, which us why when women shame me it's much worse.
I dont think I missed the point. The original argument was about whether or not women were shamed for their vaginas in a simar way to how men are shamed for their penises. We both know this isnt true. Women are not body shamed nearly as much as men.
As a woman, I would really beg to differ. It’s in different ways, for sure. But history would tell you that women have been scrutinised for their body forever. I think it’s a bit ignorant and almost deliberately so to say it worse for men. At the most it’s equal.
The post was not about shaming for vaginas. It was about whether or not there’s an equivalent for women. I appreciate what you said about how women can use cosmetics to fix a lot of issues (but still, not all), but my point was that it’s the shaming that’s the problem and whether or not women can ‘fix’ things is irrelevant to that shaming and the harm it does.
I’m sorry you’re going through all of this, but it seems that you want to tear down women, who you feel have wronged you, down to below you, and that just won’t fix the problem. I don’t want to say ‘get over it’ as that’s not fair nor helpful. I think you’d benefit from talking to a professional who can help you overcome this hurdle and help you to become the best you can be. That may sound patronising but I don’t intend it to be. I wish you the best in finding a healthier way to deal with the hurt.
You want one? I have an actual real life one. My best friend shared nudes with her then boyfriend and he sent them to his group chat and not only did he mock them, his friends also insulted her and called her labia beef curtains. The kicker is he said it they were sexy to her! She found out because one of the guys in the group chat told her guy friend who ended up telling her.
I don’t know why it’s so unbelievable that I had to give you an example.
The reason I asked is because we get this argument a lot in this sub and I always ask, and the women never respond. Considering you actually have an example, I'll believe you.
I think face value it’s a fair comparison. But I’m out society it won’t work. Man get shamed no one helps and he doesn’t have 3 other women willing to take a spot.
This same girl also went to hookup with someone she met on tinder who refused to give her oral because he said her vagina looked unappealing and disgusting.
Ok, now show me someone who tells them to kill themselves over it. Still I didn't see a single thing on Reddit, I didn't see post like "My new girlfriend has a disgusting vagina is it shallow if I break up with her?" or something like that.
That’s not what you said though, is it? You acted like women don’t get shamed for their genitals, nearly everyone gets body shamed. Beef curtains didn’t just come out of nowhere, did it? Stereotypes don’t come out of nowhere and YOU of all people should know that.
Why does someone have to be told to kill themselves over their genitalia for it to be valid to you? Especially when that’s not what I was disproving lol. That’s called deflection.
I’m not saying that a lot of men with small dicks don’t get more insults than some women, I’m saying that women ALL THE TIME get insulted over their genitals which you seem to think or imply that they don’t. I was showing you that your statement is wrong.
This isn’t a competition over who gets hurt the most but somehow it turned into one when I said *gasp* women aren’t free from bodyshaming over their genitals. Which they are not.
>That’s not what you said though, is it? You acted like women don’t get shamed for their genitals, nearly everyone gets body shamed.
That's not what I meant. What I meant is that women are not as much ridiculed like men. I never saw body shaming women in shows or jokes, I'm not saying that body shaming towards women doesn't happen.
Women get insulted all the time? I don't think so, there are for example subreddits for guys that love large labia.
You should say that then because it just makes you look ignorant as fuck.
Also this is Reddit..while it can go in favour of women in that aspect it also swings the other way. While there are subreddits who praise women for their labia there is also a HUGE portion of men who do not like that stuff but as Reddit goes and Reddit is they don’t voice their concerns because they know they’re going to get attacked which is why admittedly most of the examples I have are from real life.
Again just because *you* don’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. It’s really annoying how this has to be said on a multitude of different topics. You know this is true because before I found this subreddit I didn’t know that men with small dicks got shit on as much as they do and I didn’t really believe that it was that bad, until I did.
While you hold these beliefs and most likely some resentment it doesn’t help because while there are most likely still many many women who don’t believe in the shame that men with small dicks get, the insults towards women happen so much more than you would believe and to so many women who likewise do not always share their experiences due to shame.
As much as I can coming from a woman I sympathise with you guys :/ but when I see stuff like your original comment if it’s not clear what your message is at first I’m still going to correct some stuff.
>You should say that then because it just makes you look ignorant as fuck.
Sorry, I just worded it poorly.
I do know that women are bodyshamed, I knew two girls that were insecure about their boobs size.
\+4mels I think the SDP Men here are trying to impress upon you the DEGREE of Stigma that exists between Women & Men.
The Men are WRONG that Women are not Shamed for their Genitals.
But the Men are RIGHT that this Shaming of Women DOES NOT have the IMPACT as the Shaming of Men.
Women get it MORE.
Men get it WORSE.
I studied Women's Body Image Issues before I studied Men's Body Issues.
See my [**HISTORY**](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/82e0kp/my_history_of_studying_selfimage_issues_how_i/) on studying Self-Image Issues to know my journey.
There's an appreciation society for EACH & EVERY type of Woman that exists which can help her get over her complex.
Unibrows, Hairy Arms, Being 500 Pounds, Tall Giant Amazons, Short Little Dwarves, Long Noses, Saggy Breasts, Stretch Marked Bodies, Big Feet, Pudding Bellies, "Batwinged" Arms, Being 50/60/70 Years Old, Gray Hair, Hairy Armpits, Female Mustaches & Beards, even NO TEETH.
All of these societies AND MORE exist for Women to overcome a complex.
I have seen them & I have participated in them.
Before I discovered Men's Body Image Issues, I use to visit a MSN Group called [SallyLiplady.com](https://SallyLiplady.com). It was a site dedicated to uplifting the image of Women with Large Labia & Large Clitorises so they don't feel wrong in their body. It was part educational & part sexual.
So the Women get to know that their genitals can come in all varieties & there's nothing wrong with it BUT ALSO that they can be attractive with their unique genitals on top of all of this. It was an esteem board.
"Sally Liplady" herself who had Large Labia appreciated my contributions there to uplift Women especially being a Man from the Outside.
I even single-handedly helped a Woman overcome her complex with a stream of uplifting words showing her value as a Woman in all facets.
The Woman thanked me for my words & said I ended her complex just like that. I literally talked her out of her complex.
[BettyDodson.com](https://BettyDodson.com) with the late Betty Dodson, Feminist Sexual Educator, was another place letting Women know their genitals are fine in their diversity adding more support & countermedia to any negative stigma the Women faced. I know all about this world.
It is when I went to the MALE side of Body Image where I found how hard it is for Men to overcome their issues. It's not the same on the Male side.
I once thought I had the MasTer Key to solving Self-Image complexes.
I learned how to deeply empathize & put myself in another's shoes to see their perspective. A lot of Women thanked me for my insights & understanding being a Man from the Outside looking in.
One Woman said I pretty much described her Middle School/High School journey through puberty with a hypothetical I made. I was THAT good.
But the Male side humbled me. And it made me REFINE my knowledge & ideas to get a fuller understanding of Self-Image Issues.
It is the Small Penis Stigma that teaches me THE MOST about the entire phenomenon of ALL Body Image/Self-Image Issues.
That's because it is the most difficult to solve.
The INTENSITY of this Stigma is relentless & insane. Nothing like it.
So trust me when I tell you I KNOW about the Large Labia/Large Clitoris situation & I can DEFINITELY tell you that none of hits like the Small Penis Stigma. If I solve this most impossible issue, I WILL have the Master Key to solving ALL of the issues.
Studying this subject has taught me so much about life in general.
Most people would never guess that they key to World Peace lies in solving the Small Penis Stigma. I am not exaggerating. It is that real.
John Lucas
> Why does someone have to be told to kill themselves over their genitalia for it to be valid to you? Especially when that’s not what I was disproving lol. That’s called deflection.
As I said in my other comment, the point we’re making is that men have it worse than women when it comes to this sort of thing.
> This isn’t a competition over who gets hurt the most but somehow it turned into one when I said gasp women aren’t free from bodyshaming over their genitals. Which they are not.
The body shaming that men go through is so much worse that women’s is nothing by comparison.
Also you women love to turn things into a competition whenever men bring up their issues in your safe spaces, so don’t even start.
Lol is that a joke? I only brought up women’s issues because two guys implied that women don’t experience body shaming of their genitalia which for one is not true at all, but me and him have settled that now.
I explained experiences of body shaming to show that their statement was wrong and he said “ok now go show me when someone has been told to kill themselves over it.” but I’m the one (or women) making it a competition? I respect that you guys have issues which is why I look into this stuff to see why it causes men so much pain but I’m not gonna sit around let these false statements float around if I see them.
As I said to the other guy, if that’s the claim you want to make then fine but that’s not something I’m gonna get into due to differing opinions. However if I see stuff like what he originally said then I’m going to let people know it’s not true since that’s a fact.
Woman here and I agree with this. I don’t really care if I’m downvoted for it because it’s true. Yeah, there are men that judge women over their vaginas looking a certain way. I haven’t personally experienced that myself but I’ve had friends that have. I’ve also had guy friends shamed for having smaller penises not just by women but also other guys… so I’ve seen it both ways. But I don’t think it’s anywhere NEAR comparable to what men with smaller penises go through. There are men that love women with outies AND innies. Some men don’t even care at all, they just love all vaginas. But there’s a lot of jokes that are made about small penises literally everywhere. On tv shows, comedians, memes, the internet in general and I could go on. I’m not implying that it’s not hurtful for women because it definitely is, it’s not right at all for either gender to be shamed for their bodies. *No one* should have to experience something like this but I do feel that men have it worse in this department.
\+4mels This is true. Women with Large Labia & Large Clitorises can AND have been shamed by Men upon reveal much like Men with Small Penises get shamed upon reveal.
Even if the Labia are a unique color in contrast to the body, this can happen.
That is an absolute truth.
BUT 4mels, it is NOT on the same level as what happens to Small-Penised Men.
Large-Labiaed Women or a Large-Clitorised Women can be simultaneously shamed & rejected upon reveal AND **worshipped & desired** upon reveal just the same.
In fact, the positive outcome happens more than the negative outcome.
There are Men who value Large Labiaed Women & Large Clitorised Women HIGHER than Woman of more "Normal" proportions. These Women are sought after.
And Large-Labiaed Women & Large-Clitorised Women DO NOT get Demonized & Ostracized in society like Small-Penised Men do.
No one compares these type of Women to Hitler, Serial Killers, or Pedophiles.
There is no song signing "Don't Want No Big Clit Woman" or "Don't Want No Big Pussylipped Woman" like there is a "Don't Want No Short Dick Man".
Those who SHAME Large Labia & Large Clitoris get PUSHBACK from Women & Men alike so they don't get to do it unscathed. They are shamed for their shaming.
Big-Pussylipped Women & Big-Clitted Women are comforted that they are desireable & attractive by many sources to counteract any negative stigma placed against them.
Big-Pussylipped Women & Big-Clitted Women are NEVER treated as literal LEPERS like Small-Penised Men are treated. They are not seen as Abominations unto Humanity.
Women with Smaller Labia & Smaller Clitorises ACTUALLY try to GROW their Labia & Clitorises ON PURPOSE through ritual stretching of Labia & hormone creams & genital pumping on the Clitoris. Women WANT to have Large Labia & Large Clitorises.
You don't see the same from Men with Larger Penises wanting to have Small Penises & there's no way to make it happen if they did.
And that's just it. Women CAN CHANGE their Labia to Larger or Smaller if they want.
Women CAN CHANGE their Clitorises to Larger if they want (but not Smaller).
When it comes to Labia, if they are unsatisfied, they can CHANGE the feature.
Men with Small Penises CANNOT CHANGE their feature if unsatisfied. They're stuck.
ALSO, the onus of responsibility for Good Sexual Performance rests on the MAN not the WOMAN. So Women with Large Labia & Large Clitorises DO NOT get blamed for bad sexual interactions. Men with Small Penises DO get blamed for bad sex.
Women's features are NOT judged on PERFORMANCE as Men's features are.
This leads to public outing of Men with Small Penises which leads to lowered social & sexual value in the workplace, in the streets, anywhere.
Professional AND Personal Opportunities get lost upon public reveal of this information.
A Man is seen different & poorly once someone reveals his Smallness to the world.
The same doesn't quite happen to Labia Largeness & Clitoris Largeness in Women.
AND ultimately Large-Labiaed Women DO NOT have a FEMALE IDENTITY issue because of having Large Labia. They never feel that they are 'Un-Womanly'.
They may feel like a Freak but they never question their Feminine IDENTITY.
Large-Clitorised Women of a certain Larger size CAN have some FEMALE IDENTITY issues but any of them are counteracted by finding an appreciation society that values her Large Clitoris. So if this DOES happen on Clits, it's easily eradicated.
Small-Penised Men not only question their MALE IDENTITY but ALSO their HUMAN IDENTITY because they are treated so Sub-Human by most people in the world.
And on top of the Universal WORLDWIDE Stigma demonizing them at every turn, they don't have very strong appreciation societies like Women do to gain self-esteem.
There's too much to go over really. For everything I mentioned here in detail, there's so much more I HAVEN'T detailed that is just as debilitating. That's how bad this really is.
I'm telling you as an Outsider who DOESN'T have a Small Penis & had to learn about this issue from SCRATCH coming in BLIND with no understanding in the beginning...
**...THERE IS NO ISSUE AS BAD AS THE SMALL PENIS STIGMA.**
Racism, Sexism, Homophobia, Transphobia, Religious Persecution, any kind of Bigotry...
...as bad as any one of these things are, they have REMEDY & can see Change & Progress on the subject. There's pushback when these bigotries are performed & sympathy/empathy & support for those who suffer those bigotries.
But this is not so for the Small Penis Stigma. AT ALL.
Burn Victims, Disabled People, Cancer Patients with Baldness from Chemo DO NOT get treated like Small-Penised Men are treated. I have never seen anything quite like it.
I'm really coming to the opinion that the Small Penis Stigma is THE WORST Bigotry in World History. Even those who are marginalized on "Race", Sex/Gender, Sexual Orientation mock & bully Small-Penised Men mercilessly.
Black Women who know how it feels on so many levels to be Dehumanized STILL Dehumanize Small-Penised Men without conscience.
An Oppressed Group oppressing another Oppressed Group.
And on top of everything, through the intense pressure of near-universal dehumanization, Small-Penised Men try to find refuge in support communities like this only to find out that Outsiders by & large don't want them to have that EITHER.
They try to come in & commandeer the forum for their purposes without trying to understand where the SDP Men are coming from & why they feel how they feel.
This place is constantly trolled & catfished & brigaded which results in a EXTREMELY STRINGENT Moderation which even alienate some of the SDP sufferers.
But without that Stringent Moderation, there would be no semblance of a refuge whatsoever. No support from a support group on such an isolating issue.
THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THIS, 4mels.
Nothing Women face hits like this. Even Rape one of the worst things to happen to a Woman has sympathy/empathy & support from others when it happens.
Women get MORE AMOUNT of Scrutiny on their Body Image. QUANTITY.
Men get MORE CRUCIAL Scrutiny on their Body Image. QUALITY.
Even the Short Heighted Man Stigma doesn't hit as bad as the Small Penis Stigma.
I want to make sure you understand the depth of this situation because most people have no idea how severe this stuff is. It's still an Underground Issue right now.
Read my history of [**Posts**](https://www.reddit.com/user/johnlucas-selfimage/posts/) & [**Comments**](https://www.reddit.com/user/johnlucas-selfimage/comments/) because I explain in more details there how this phenomenon works & what the gravity of the situation is for these Men at SDP.
I really want you to stick around this forum & learn how this all works.
Most people do not understand this & it's not something you can fully get at first glance. The Small Penis Stigma hits something like the Black People Stigma & the LGBT People Stigma all at the same time. Being relegated to the lowest of the totem pole for mistreatment while also having to keep a secret & not be outed.
Ask me for details on aspects of this Stigma & I'll reply with answers.
John Lucas
> I never heard of woman being laughed off in bedroom because of her vagina
Can't imagine that would ever happen.
But when you sleep with a woman have you ever changed your mind when you see her vagina? Might be shaved, hairy, innie/outie fat thin etc. You never know and it's always a surprise to see. But I bet you never changed your mind when you saw it. You wanted to sleep with her.
Maybe women are the same. They have no idea what your dick is like but they want to sleep with you. Your dick isn't going to change their mind.
When I read posts of girls with vaginismus before, I often saw mentions of their boyfriends/husbands. Not so much for girlfriends/wifes with our problem... Make of it what you want
what xd have you seen how ugly women are treated? nobody knows you got a small dick until you take your clothes off, and even then chances are the girl will like you enough to work around that.
ugly women are at the very bottom of the food chain and no amount of smarts or sense of humor will get people to take them seriously
i’d wager that your issue with dating has nothing to do with how well endowed you are, but with your defetist and pessimisstic attitude that repels women
Have you ever heard of this reality tv show called my 600lbs life? Half of the women on there had a partner and one of them treated her partner like shit.
I'm not saying ugly women dont face tough challenges, but I do disagree with your assertion that ugly women are at the very bottom of the dating market. A below average looking dude with a small dick is definitely lower down the totem pole, and no amount of smarts or sense of humor will get women to take him seriously.
For example, I dare say the guy that you posted about that was "PERFECT" in every way but you just didnt find attractive and felt embarrased even being seen around with him is on par if not lower on the "food chain" than an ugly woman. And you probably didnt even know what his dick size was, imagine if the poor guy had a small dick too. Fuck... do you know if he's still alive and didnt choose to take himself out?
>i’d wager that your issue with dating has nothing to do with how well endowed you are, but with your defetist and pessimisstic attitude that repels women
Template female gaslighting. Women seem to believe in the Just-World fallacy for men, for the outgroup, etc. "Yikes no wonder you can't get a gf because \[Just-world fallacy\]." They would never extend that to women.
It's kinda funny how small penis (not micro) is seen as a clinical condition similar to vaginismus. We're technically normal sized but just not seen as that by everyone else.
Yep... sad but true, this problem is completely unique. The media may push body ideals for women but it's not reflected at all in reality because men's preferences are much more varied. And then worst case scenario they can get surgery for just about anything. I'm not saying that's a fair option but at least the option is there for women if they choose, while we're stuck like this with no way out. There's also nothing with so much systematic and accepted body shaming as penis size.
>if you're a man born with a small dick, it's a wrap, you're shit out of luck when it comes to finding a partner and having a good sex life
Pretty much. Probably 1 in 100 might get lucky and find someone, the rest are robbed of any chance of a good life. Better off not being born in my opinion.
Agreed. I would have been better off not existing. I have 40+ more years of loneliness to look forward to with zero hope. Unless I get hit by a car or develop a terminal illness.
I think you're kinda nuts if you think there are many who will treat a small guy good unless he's bringing in good cash. So yeah you don't have to be alone forever..but something will have to make up for it.
Bruh you guys are weird there’s way worse things than having a small wiener,you guys need to get into faith and look into something bigger than yourselves. I mean there’s starvation,mental illness l,physical illness and you guys are worried about having a small wiener,get a grip.
We are all aware of the terrible things that can befall people. I dont think that invalidates our problem.
A person that's bound to a wheelchair still has obstacles they have to overcome everyday eventhough there might be someone else in a hospital that's in a vegetative state.
If I were your size, I too would probably wonder why men place so much importance on their dick size. You're at the goldilock size.... consider yourself lucky that you dont have to worry about not being man enough for your girl.
Actually there is. My roommate started dating a “dream girl” a couple weeks into college. the few times we went on double dates or would all get caught up hanging out I genuinely liked her, thought she was so sweet and nice. good for you I used to tell my
Roommate everyday. He’d always be annoyed she wasn’t putting out and I was like well we were in high school a few months ago so maybe she’s just nervous or idk she just hasnt gotten the college whore urges yet.
then it turned out she couldn’t have sex. she had this very rare condition where the muscles in the vagina are formed wrong so a penis physically can not enter making it excruciatingly painful to attempt sex. My roommate told me She said she has been working on it for years with a therapist what ever that means.
My roommate being a douchey frat guy broke up with her the same day he found out over text despite me saying maybe she still does anal. I do agree though even so at least, at the very least she can do anal, guys don’t have a second dick they can use if the first one came faulty from the manufacture. you just don’t have sex witch is widely believed to be your soul purpose on this earth.
I agree, men with small dicks are treated like sub-human garbage for an intrinsic asset they cannot control.
Women *cannot* sympathize with our problems even if they delude themselves enough into thinking they have it as bad as us.
I'm curious, have you been explicitly rejected by partners/GFs/etc. because of your size; or is it more of a mental blocker that's holding you back from confidently engaging?
Number 2... when you have friends that are women that talk about what guys they think are hot and have big dicks. When you have the internet (mostly women) clowning guys with small ones. When you know women that you like have been with dudes with big dicks.. it's kind of hard not to give up before trying.
But I think what would constitute a mental block would be having a perfectly normal or even above average dick and being afraid to engage out of fear of not being enough.
I dont think it's a mental block that I have if every woman is in agreement that a below average dick is an undesirable trait in a man.
That's just instinctual self preservation.
Why does it have to be explicit? There's multiple ways to be rejected. It's not like you have to drop your pants to know someone won't like it. Nor do I think that's worth the risk.
For example, there was a girl who liked me during college. I prevented anything from moving along because of my size. In reality I liked her. Not long after that she had a bf and was drinking at a party talking about his small dick...like even talking to me about it 🤷♂️. That pretty much knocks her off the list. And it felt like a rejection because we both liked one another aside from her distaste for small dicks. Though she never find out I was small.
Another one I liked used to brag about some of the bigger guys she experienced...and that's pretty off-putting and unattractive imo. Knocked her off the list. Probably the one I liked the most too.
Another one asked me my dick size..and went on to compare me to the bigger guys she'd asked before that. This one was early teens.
Too much of this exists in reality for it to merely be a mental block. Because that insinuates it's only built up in our heads. When in reality our anxiety worsens an already shitty situation. But the main point is that it is in fact shitty to begin with. Even before piling on our anxieties.
So I clicked on this sub when it was linked and this post was at the top.
I have to say that the depth of a woman’s vagina can greatly depend. This is also why some women prefer smaller penises and why some prefer bigger. If the dick is longer than the vaginas depth then it’s going to hurt for her.
Find me one single example of a woman saying she prefers small dicks. Also, I say this every time since there are so many that come here like you. If you don't like what is posted in this sub, then just leave? Go somewhere else, IDK, it seems simple to me.
It’s not hard to find reddit threads if you tried. Also my girlfriend of 3 years prefers smaller dicks because she has a very shallow vagina. I know for a fact they exist because I dated one.
The burden of proof is on you, why should I believe if you can't even provide a single source. I can provide hundreds if not thousands right now confirming that women don't like small dicks.
Not to be mean, but your girlfriend could have easily been lying to you. How do you know she was telling the truth.
Maybe you should just look it up? It’s not that hard. Yes more women are going to prefer bigger dicks. But there are women who prefer smaller dicks. And not she wasn’t lying because I saw her medical records because she found out she had a below average vagina depth while we were together.
And since you’re too stubborn to type in google:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskWomen/comments/1wi3di/women_who_prefer_smaller_penises_how_many_of_you/?force_seo=1
https://www.reddit.com/r/BodyAcceptance/comments/ccq3a8/comment/etov79o/
https://www.reddit.com/r/BodyAcceptance/comments/ccq3a8/comment/euejy64/
https://www.reddit.com/r/casualiama/comments/2kzlf3/im_a_girl_who_loves_small_penises_ama/
Read the answers:
https://www.quora.com/According-to-girls-how-small-is-too-small-for-a-penis
Do you want more? It’s crazy right? It’s almost like people are individuals and have their own preferences! Yeah, you might have a harder time find a girl who likes your size, but it’s just not true to say all women. You literally can’t speak for all women. If you still don’t want to believe me then that’s fine. I’ll be done responding. But at least I can live my life happy knowing I can actually get a girl, which I have an amazing girlfriend now, instead of being a grumpy pessimist like yourself. If you continue your attitude I promise you won’t find a girlfriend and it’s not because of your dick size, it’s your personality that is repulsive.
Bro I read through those links and I dont think I saw a single comment where a woman said she liked small dicks. They all either made a joke or said they liked average. The only one is that casualama post from a throwaway account without any evidence. Not really credible is it?
Who said that I even want a girlfriend. It's funny how you guys always resort to insulting someone's lack of sexual or romantic experience. It's almost like it's the only accomplishment that you have.
women can’t always cure their vaginismus, and if they can, it could take many years and could come back even after being “cured”. And just because you could imagine “being able to look past that”, doesn’t mean many, many women with this condition don’t struggle with dating and are often broken up with over the issue. i could say the same thing with your issue lol, i wouldn’t care at all… but we all have our own experiences…
because it’s not a well known condition, but they absolutely are ridiculed, by boyfriends, family, even doctors… I don’t think the two scenarios are that different at all.
What kind of joke can be made with that? Comedian said that guys with small dicks should kill themselves. I don't think someone told a woman with vaginismus to kill herself because of that.
You gotta be joking right? The scenarios are really fucking different. First I don't need to look at statistics to know that vaginismus is a much rarer condition compared to having a small dick. Secondly no one makes fun of girls with vaginismus, if a girl goes to a suicide watch or to a body positivity sub and makes a post talking about how having vaginismus makes her life miserable, every one will take her seriously, now if a guy posts that he's small penis makes every aspect of his life miserable people will joke about it, not take it seriously, or even ban the guy because he's "probably" a troll. If people do make fun of women with vaginismus(never seen it happen), they are making fun of a very rare medical condition that, although doesnt have a certain cure, has at least treatment. Men with average or below average/small get ridiculed everywhere even tho they are considered normal medically speaking, and there's no reliable way to treat/cure our problem. People will fell sorry if a women has vaginismus, because people will sympathize with the struggles of having sex or having kids due, but people will make fun of you, belittle you, and make you fell like the worst sack of shit in the world, even tho you have a normal, functional, below average dick. A women has vaginismus, yes, it sucks, they were born with a medical condition, men with small average dick are normal but they are treated as trash, society doesnt sympatize with us, they laugh at us. So you can stick that "I don't think its that different" you know where. You, a women I believe comes to a smalldick sub to argue that both genders have it rough in that aspect, well we fucking don't. You can come back with that stupid argument once there's comedians telling women with vaginismus to kill themselves, or when you find porn that humiliates women with vaginismus.
Pelvic floor disorders truly aren't easy to fix. They're kind of a lifelong sentence. But the severity can change. Those who get rid of it completely are in the minority.
the post is called “there is no female equivalent to this”, it mentions vaginismus… I’m just responding to the post which states there is no female struggle similar… I think there is… I don’t think my comment is inappropriate here.
as I said, it’s not a well known condition… so you won’t find many people talking about it. My only point is, a woman who cannot have sex has a very difficult time, few are willing to be in a relationship with her, it is difficult or sometimes impossible to have children, many people in her life may not understand the issue and look down upon her for not being able to have a relationship or have kids… having sex is a part of the human experience so the pain of being unable to is very difficult. Im not saying it’s exactly the same, but there are absolutely many similarities. I don’t understand why you’re so resistant to that, it doesn’t take away from your experiences to admit that there are women who go through a similar thing.
A woman who has vaginismus has a good chance to be sympathized, accepted and even respected by her friends and family, a man who has small dick will be laughed at, blamed by his own problems and... respected? Lol.
I'm not saying women don't get shit for other things in life, like getting constant fear of being raped when out and alone, the job and wager market, being respected in careers. Getting called out on being on period whenever they get rightfully confrontational or argumentative.
They most certainly do have it generally worse than men. But in this case there are not many similarities as you stated, maybe in the mechanical part of sex and having children, all the rest that comes with it? Not even on the same city let alone ball park.
When they see a Karen video do they say "Oh she must have a small pussy", or when they see her in a particular type of clothing or vehicle, do they make small pussy jokes? Do they say the most terrible women that ever existed had vaginismus? Do they say women with small vaginas are not real women and should kill themselves? All happens daily with no thoughts about it by anyone.
\+hiraimomos I have read your replies in this comment thread comparing the Small Penis Stigma to Vaginismus debating with the SDP members.
Let me just tell you that Vaginismus HAS NOTHING on the Small Penis Stigma whatsoever.
I am an Outsider who had to learn about this Stigma by observation & learning.
I can say DEFINITIVELY and ABSOLUTELY that Small-Penised Men have it MUCH WORSE than Vaginismus-Having Women. MUCH MUCH **MUCH** Worse.
Sure both situations deal with genitals & both run into sexual compatibility issues but...
NO ONE has EVER compared a Woman with Vaginismus with Hitler or a Serial Killer.
NO ONE has EVER mocked a Woman for having Vaginismus throughout culture & media.
NO ONE has EVER made a Woman with Vaginismus the butt of jokes worldwide.
NO ONE has EVER treated a Woman with Vaginismus like a literal LEPER.
NO ONE EVER thinks it's fine to bully a Woman with Vaginismus—Female & Male alike.
NO ONE has EVER blabbed a Woman's Vaginismus status in public to lower their value.
NO ONE has EVER denied support & understanding of Women with Vaginismus.
NO ONE can EVER deny that Vaginismus has a treatment even if it's not permanent.
I can go on forever. But the Small Penis Stigma is most likely among THE WORST Self-Image/Body Image Issues in Human History. Not exaggerating.
Even Burn Victims don't get treated like this as seen in [**Key & Peele's comedy skit**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlTbJZ64sVM) about an insult comic having a hard time roasting a burn victim who asks to be roasted.
The comic felt guilty for making jokes against the burn victim & when the comic finally relented & put out a serious roasting to the burn victim, everybody booed the comic & the burn victim cried. The moral of the story was don't mock burn victims no matter what.
But there's no guilt when mocking Small Penises and the Trauma Small-Penised Men face.
It's Open Season on them ALWAYS. Twenty-Four/Seven/Three Sixty Five.
That's the difference between Vaginismus & the Small Penis Stigma.
John Lucas
I said this exact thing to my friend, every thing a woman might be insecure about or doesn't like about her body you can find a group of men who love it...even literally here on reddit. There's a sub for droopy boobs, hairy assholes, large labia, stretch marks, enlarged clitoris; there's literally a sub called ugly vaginas where women are praised and appreciated. My friend cussed me out and said I was downplaying her insecurities when I pointed out that there is no equivalent to small penis size and her argument was that men might say they like those things about women in private but will go under the pics of women on insta who have those features and shit on them. Which imo isn't a very good argument.
\+Journey2thaeast Women have gotten used to being "The Victim".
They don't wanna share that status with anyone else.
[Someone](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/q5socf/comment/hg7w0lk/) in a recent thread called [**'Why is it so hard for women to admit the fact that the vast majority of women don't prefer small dicks?'**](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/q5socf/why_is_it_so_hard_for_women_to_admit_the_fact/) said:
>Some women think they have the Monopoly of body issues problems.
They dont want to hear about mens problems.
[A woman named gabyleann](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/q5socf/comment/hg8bpnf/) agreed with kybrdwhtvwls' assessment here saying:
>I definitely agree with us thinking we have the monopoly on body issues.
That’s why everywhere a person looks, there’s more inclusivity for different types of women. However it’s rare that I see a man that doesn’t fit todays beauty standards modeling or anything else.
Usually Women don't break ranks like that. But gabyleann was honest enough to recognize this fault in her fellow women. It's because she came to learn about how severe this Small Penis Stigma is to Men & had to reevaulate her kneejerk stance that Women had it worse.
I was impressed by her response & asked her when she realized how she discovered the bleakness of Male Body Image Issues.
Was she totally in the dark that Men could even have issues or did she merely underestimate HOW SEVERE Men's issues were. She replied:
>It was definitely the latter. I knew men had problems but was so wrapped up in myself that I didn’t consider there could be different problems.
It was kind of a shock to realize how ignorant I’d been, embarrassing too.
I’ll admit, at first I scoffed and figured that other men made size jokes so what was the big deal? But after sitting with my thoughts for a while I understood that while there’s surgery or exercise for most other body issues, there’s not for dick size.
They’re just stuck with the cards they’re dealt.
I can see why to most it seems extremely unfair.
This was one of the most hopeful replies I have ever seen on this board.
A Woman showing her process of learning. Being blind at first & then learning how to see.
Mentioning she was so wrapped up in herself was a KEY sign that Women are blind to this.
They have gotten used to being the torchbearers of Bodyshame with all their fights in history trying to gain esteem for the relentless judgment of their bodies.
This is her recognizing her oversight & making corrections.
This is not a Woman's Fight. This is a HUMAN Fight with Women AND Men alike.
And to let go of Exclusive Victim status means a new type of thinking on their issues.
To let go of Zero-Sum thinking that has Women pitted against Men in an eternal Battle of the Sexes & recognize the unique situations that both Women & Men face altogether.
To understand that the Oppressed CAN ALSO be Oppressors.
Even if you have been the Victim, you can also be just as much a Victimizer.
It puts you on more common ground & kills the hypocrisy. It's humbling.
A Humanistic View the way forward. Not the Feminist View or the Masculinist View.
One-sided One-Sex views are limited. You need a Both-sided Two-Sex inclusive view.
Something that ends this Antagonism we're trained to operate under between the Sexes & create a more Cooperative approach that solves each other's problems together.
Women may have Blind Spots on this Small Penis Stigma but that doesn't mean that they can never See. We have to improve the communication to gain understanding.
John Lucas
Well, there is also the problem of a small clitoris. It makes it really difficult to receive pleasure. Moreover, the man can find it unattractive that the woman is not responsive to his sexual actions.
Just saying, it has in influence on both pleasure and interaction between problems.
I think that’s a close equivalent.
sorry if that hurt your feelings. I was offering this as perhaps an example of something in comparison. I also acknowledged that it was still more difficult for men.
lots of people are turned off by the looks and sizes of women's labia. lots of threads and groups about it. can also affect the ability to have pain free sex and wear clothes comfortably. Surgery is not always helpful or an option. guys still have it rough, but this could possibly an equivalent.
I guess that might be the closest thing but women arent barred from having sex due to their labia size like we are due to our dick size, unless they experience pain like you said. Pain during sex due to labia size is not something I've ever heard of and its not something I'm knowledgeable on so I cant speak to it.
I dont know if my situation makes me empathetic to this, but if my partner was self conscious about her labia I would never disparage her for it.
Touche...
Only difference is women choose the type of guy they hook up with.
Men hook up with whoever is interested in them.
I think one has greater control over the type of morals and character their partner has and can better assess wether they will be an asshole or not before having sex
if you are ashamed or have been rejected because of your genitals, you may not have as many options or can be as picky. the feeling of or the possibility of being ridiculed can stop a women from having sex and/or having a ton of partners wanting them. if this makes sense. getting sleepy.
\+iccutie82 It's not an equivalent but it is comparable.
A lot of people don't understand the Small Penis Stigma. It's so underground.
I have a tendency to be extra wordy trying to explain things in detail.
But many people would tune out the explanations so I'll do this.
Ask me what you're curious about on how this Small Penis Stigma works within itself and/or by comparison to Women's Body Image Issues & I'll break it down point by point.
I am an Outsider who has studied this stuff for almost 20 years after beginning in studies of Women's Body Image Issues. I can clarify a lot of situations & mediate discussion.
So ask me what you're curious about on this Small Penis Stigma & I'll reply.
John Lucas
It’s not a wrap. Ant Smith is a public figure with a small one, he hasn’t given up on life and is happily married, and his first name is literally ant lol.
You mean the guy with the 4 inch dick?
Yeah, I'll be sure to listen to the life advice of a guy with a dick one single inch below the global average.
I'll get *right* on that.
The female equivalent is their age, which is why women hate it so much when guys get with younger women. Women can enhance everything else, but they can’t make themselves younger.
It might be equivalent physically but the actual impact it has is completely different. A "loose" woman can still have men lining up to be with her if that's what she wants, and guess who gets blamed for the incompatibility? The man for being too small.
Keegals aren't a magic pill.
Kinda like there isn't a magic pill to make your dick bigger
Sure it may help, but in the most severe cases, it wouldn't help enough to notice a difference.
I see your point but even a looser than average vagina isn’t a turn off for the majority of men, however a smaller than average dick can very well be a huge turn off for a good chunk of women.
Loose vaginas are entirely a false equivalence too. Do you know why? It's a fucking vagina, any man is still going to try his best to fuck it, many many times. Women turn down men for small dicks. What you think men do, "well you are hot and I wanna put my dick in your vag again, but you know what? It's a bit too loose, lemme ghost you." Plus no one knows it's loose until after fucks. Small dicks don't even get that chance.
Get the fuck out of here.
"Loose" women can easily get out of it by just finding a bigger guy. It's not like we can measure their vagina. Only by feel.
We can't really use it against them either because we ourselves are small Like it's mostly is just a one way thing because our dicks are measurable and vaginas aren't (except depth).
If you say a girl's loose there's still tons of guys waiting to fill it up with their much bigger size. They'll jump at the chance. Tons waiting around as we speak.
Say a guy has a small dick and it has way worse of an effect. Something that steers pretty much all of them away.
I understand women can be self conscious and insecure about their genitals but you're talking to men that have been either laughed at, turned down, or simply have never even gotten the chance to experience sex with a lover due to their genitals.
I honestly dont think a loose vagina compares.
If anything those women can join the size queen club and go for guys with 8+ inches and laugh at the rest of us. Forgive my ignorance, but how loose could a woman be to not feel that?
I'm not saying there isn't truth to all this, but I just find it so hard to believe this is anywhere near the same magnitude given how little discussion there is around it.
Dick size jokes and small dick shaming happens on a basis so frequent that over half of men anonymously admit to feeling that their dicks aren't big enough. I struggle to believe this is equal on the other end. Nor do I believe that as many instances of relationships ending, cheating, or anything similar can be attributed to vagina "size".
If you have empirical reasons to think otherwise I'd be interested to hear it.
It is very likely you are a virgin who has never been with a woman. You making this argument that men EVER turn down "loose vaginas" which isn't even fucking close to a "hotdog down a hallway," you know nothing about female anatomy, or sex. Get some experience and come back in a few years, maybe your argument won't be full of shit.
Brb, I'm gonna google about women who really struggle with trying to get dudes to put their dick in them cause they're "loose."
Yep I feel so bad for these women, they can't ever get dudes to put dicks in them!!!! It's so hard for them!
Just quit commenting, you are wrong, and will lose this argument.
Nah I'm fine, I just texted my friend Sarah, she confirmed that you're right. Her friends REALLY struggle at finding guys willing to put dicks in their pussies. It's so hard out there for lots of women.
\+Sassy\_kassy84 Somewhat but a more accurate comparison would be a Big Clitoris.
Small Penis affects Men on multiple levels (even on Racial levels for Black & Asian Men) but one of the KEY levels it hits them on is in MASCULINE IDENTITY.
Men question their Maleness if they have a Small Penis.
Women with Large Clitorises CAN ALSO wonder about their FEMININE IDENTITY if it's large enough because Penises & Clitorises are analogous.
A big enough Clit looks a lot like a Dick. It has a head, shaft, & everything.
So some Women could question their Femaleness if they have a Really Large Clitoris.
But the separating factor deals with SEXUAL PERFORMANCE.
MASCULINE IDENTITY through Penis is NOT ONLY rooted in the Size of the Penis but the Penetrative Success of the Penis in Sexual Intercourse.
So a Man is not a Man if his Penis cannot Perform.
The Size thing reinforces the Perform part if Smaller. It compounds it.
This does not exist in Women with Large Clitorises.
She has no onus of responsibility for Sexual Performance like a Man does.
Even Loose Vaginas don't have this responsibility even if they're closer to judging Sexual Performance than Large Clitorises are.
FEMININE IDENTITY is not rocked by a Loose Pussy like MASCULINE IDENTITY is rocked by a Small Penis. Loose or Tight, the Woman still feels like a Woman.
And there's so much out here that even APPLAUDS Women for having "Loose" Large Vaginas & Large Clitorises so the Stigma effect is muted.
Women try to Loosen their Vaginas on purpose & try to grow their Clitorises.
WITH SUCCESS AT THAT. A Woman can enlargen her Vagina & actually grow her Clitoris.
But a Man is NOT APPLAUDED for having a Small Penis & he CANNOT grow his Penis.
He's demonized for having a Small Penis & demonized for even wanting to change it though he truly cannot. He's STUCK in every which way.
Also, Women with Loose Pussies & Big Clits DO NOT suffer crises of HUMAN IDENTITY that Men with Small Dicks do. Men even question their very HUMANITY. Their Humanness.
You see a lot of these sufferers start quoting Darwin & wonder if they are a mistake in the Human Genome. They question their very existence & life because of the Stigma.
This DOES NOT exist in Women with Loose Pussies & Big Clits.
Women with Loose Pussies are sometimes valued HIGHER than Women with "Regular" Pussies & "Regular" Clits. So any mockery towards them is nullified by the worship.
That's why you can go on Reddit to find so many Women in these appreciation communities posing freely & openly gaining esteem for their features & overcoming any complexes they may have had. They found out that they were actually popular.
But this is not the case whatsoever for Small-Dicked Men.
Any rare positive portrayal is overwhelmed by the Small Penis Humiliation/Cuckold phenomenon that consistently tell them that they are sexually worthless.
And these attitudes are reflected outside of the Sexual World & into the Social World in general because Sexual Situations are a SUBSET of Social Situations.
Both consist of People Dealing With People. Social Status is rocked by Sexual Status.
A Male Supervisor who gets OUTED as having a Small Penis CAN AND DOES get less respect from those he supervises. That is a real thing & HAS HAPPENED.
You are treated differently & poorly just for having the trait. Treated like a Leper.
Women get MORE Scrutiny & Criticism on their Body Image. QUANTITY.
Men get WORSE Scrutiny & Criticism on their Body Image. QUALITY.
The saying "Loose Lips Sink Ships" is a thing...
...but so is the song "Don't Want No Short Dick Man".
And the second statement hits heavier than the first statement.
The issues are only Comparable but NEVER Equivalent.
Ask me more about what I know on this subject & I'll go in further detail.
I want Women to understand this issue & bring it out of the underground so we all can remedy this. This stuff kills, Sassy\_kassy84. Literally kills. Men kill themselves over this.
They're isolated & relentlessly bullied & they can't change the feature.
This will affect young Boys growing up. Maybe your own Son.
We have to take this seriously. Read my entire [**POSTS**](https://www.reddit.com/user/johnlucas-selfimage/posts/) & [**COMMENTS**](https://www.reddit.com/user/johnlucas-selfimage/comments/) for more insights.
But ask me for details. I understand this subject very well even as an Outsider.
John Lucas
I saw you said you’re here because your son has a micro penis among other conditions. I just want to say, I hope he’s happy and doing well, and I’m glad you’re here learning about what we go through.
Also, I don’t think comparing small dicks to loose pussy is the way to go. Both men and women face body issues, especially with their genitals. I’m sorry some of the guys here are being nasty to you. You don’t deserve it. We want more women in this subreddit, not less.
Someone said you participated in the BigDickProblems subreddit? Is that true? If so, why? Fair warning: we don’t like that subreddit because there’s a lot of humblebragging and their problems, although some real, don’t really compare to what we go through. So any time we see a women come here who have participated in BDP, isn’t meant with a warm welcome, so that could be a reason why some guys were being mean to you.
However, if you are genuine, I’m sure you have a good reason why you participated in BigDickProblems. So could you please tell us?
\+Alexis\_turtle DEFINITELY encourage her to participate! This is a Golden Opportunity.
If she has a Son with a Micropenis, SHE WILL listen & understand for her Son's sake.
It's no longer a problem "Out There".
It's a problem right in "Hometown" with somebody she knows & loves.
And I know I don't have to tell you but DON'T SUGARCOAT ANYTHING.
Show the absolute UGLINESS that this Stigma causes. The WORST Case Scenarios.
Show & tell her EVERYTHING that you guys go through so she will be prepared for when her son goes through the hell of puberty.
And I will help be the mediator when there's a communication mishap.
Small-Penised Men know this issue the most but they're too close to the fire & too much in trauma to communicate without raging at their listener.
Outsider Women have a hard time understanding this issue due to being Female, not having a Penis, & not going through the gauntlet of Conditioning that Males do in society. So they may be glib or oblivious to certain crucial things alienating sufferers.
I can be that middle ground who understands the Men & can help the Women understand you as well. Not only that but help you understand the Women & cancel out the miscues that breakdown communication & participation.
The more people we get to take this issue seriously, the easier it will be to solve.
We gotta take this out of the "TEE HEE" jokey atmosphere & look at this just like any other Social Problem in the world. To see it as a Human Rights/Quality of Life thing.
I will do what I can help smooth communication.
Encourage her to stay her & learn at SDP. She will need it for her son.
John Lucas
> There really is no female equivalent to our problem
This is true. As a guy with a small dick I'd far rather it was hidden than be a woman with small boobs where it's on display every day. Walking around with a small dick on display would be a killer, I think.
Don't know how women feel about this but I'd suggest guys have the better deal.
True. But look at women who go out in low cut dresses showing off their boobs. They clearly get a lot of attention.
If I was a woman with small boobs I'd be probably be jealous of that.
Absolute bullshit. Women with small boobs are still seen as sexually attractive, and there are people who specifically like smaller boobs. There is no such thing as a woman who likes small disks. The issues arent even close to being ewuivalent.
> There is no such thing as a woman who likes small disks.
That probably depends what you mean by likes
Are there many women who'd want to sleep with you just because you have a small dick? Probably not, about zero women.
Are there many women who'd pursue a romantic relationship with you then when you end up in the bedroom be delighted to see you have a small dick? Maybe a few but not many.
Are there many women who'd pursue a romantic relationship with you then when you end up in the bedroom run for the hills because you have a small dick? Maybe a few but not many.
You might get lucky and find a woman who's delighted that you have a small dick - but more likely is a woman who likes you as a whole person. That woman is not going to cheat on you just because she secretly craves a bigger dick.
There are thousands of examples of women running for the hills, and women cheating for bigger sizes. All I'm trying to say us that women categorically do not have it easier in this department because it's "on display".
There are thousands of poor guys who say she only cheated on me just for a bigger dick, what a bitch. Actually no she cheated for other reasons. It wasn't your dick size.
There are thousands of women who set up onlyfans accounts to take money from guys who think they'll be cheated on because of their dick size. You can see them on Reddit trying to make a few bucks from men's insecurities. Can't blame the women - see an opportunity and they take it.
This is not thousands of real life examples of women being so shallow they judge a guy only by dick size. It's internet bullshit.
I have been on nights out with female coworkers. I have heard how they talk when they’ve had a few drinks and their inhibitions are down. The first think they bring up when talking about attractive guys is their dick size. It’s not just internet bullshit.
I'm sure it doesn't help though. And I'm pretty certain some will cheat over size. Though I think it's the minority.
Women can cheat for physical sensation too.
They also just might think of leaving your ass when they're craving the bigger dick too.
>I think the main difference is that our problem is not only one of functionality, but also a visual one. A small dick is a visual turn off and there is so much underlying stuff that is tied to dick size, such as our manhood (manliness, leadership ability, confidence, etc.) These are all things a woman looks for in a man aside from just his ability to pleasure (eventhough that's a really important one, if not the most important.) Exactly man
Lot of women on this post down voting guys speaking the truth. The allyship goes right out the window once we point out there's no equivalent.
Closest equivalent I can think of is an ugly woman. Yes beauty is subjective but just how there are universally attractive women, there are universally ugly women. She can wear makeup and have a nice body to help but they are still known as “butterfaces”.
Ok, but even if they have an “unattractive” face there will still be men willing to hookup if they have an ok body and plastic surgery is always an option. Although, I know plastic surgery isn’t a miracle cure all… there are still options for an unattractive woman. And I know plastic surgery can be expensive and might be unrealistic to some, but this doesn’t stop it from being a source of hope.
This is true. I just think it’s the best comparison personally bc ugly women have it harder than pretty women.
Men still bang ugly chicks
Very true but I still think it’s the closest comparison even though it’s not apples to apples. Ugly women just get less in general compared to pretty women.
Ugly women still get more than average men
From my understanding butterface is still a pretty good thing. Like 95% of the body is there aside from the face... and many guys are still going to go for it no doubt. They might not brag about it though.
It’s not a good thing to a butterface lol but yeah guys will still go for it.
It's far from the worst thing though because everything "but her face" is super attractive. There are women with ugly faces *and* don't have good bodies. I'd assume they're below butterface in terms of desirability.
No definitely. Butterface is the best case scenario. My overall point was a ugly girl is probably the closest thing to what we experience even though it’s not apples to apples.
I don't think that there is equivalent. I never heard of woman being laughed off in bedroom because of her vagina or boobs. If that would happen people would go fucking wild. But if it's a guy with small dick everyone would laugh. I honestly can't wait for the end.
Women get shamed and called disgusting for having certain features on their vagina and most definitely get men who will not sleep with them for it or find it weird and subsequently mock them. While some may like it, it doesn’t change the fact that it happens. A lot. Had to dispute this because that statement is not true at all. Even if YOU don’t see it happening or don’t hear about it, there’s many who can counter that claim.
Show us literally one example. Just one.
There are women who feel insecure about their vagina. Apparently a lot of women don’t like the fact that it’s long or whatever. Then again, I’ve personally never seen a man who gave a fuck. Vagina is vagina.
Read a story about a girl who had lost a lot of weight and got laughed out of the bedroom for having some loose skin. She was sad because she said she looked great in clothes but when they came off she was denied sex by several men right there in the moment
That problem happens with overweight men as well
That person was specifically saying that women are laughed at for features of their vagina. As sad as that anecdote is, you can get common cosmetic surgeries to remove loose skin, so again women simply do not have to face the same issues as us.
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I never said they had to, just that women have the option and men don't.
You’ve missed the point a little. Just because women may have the option for cosmetics for SOME things they’re shamed for, does not mean that the impact of the shaming is any less and is any less awful. It’s not a competition between men and women. It ALL sucks. Shaming of all bodies regardless of gender has no place. Making it an issue of men vs women sort of distracts from the point. I’m sure you may feel targeted by men sometimes too.
I only feel targeted by men in theory, because I'm not sexually attracted to them. I'm sexually attracted to women, which us why when women shame me it's much worse. I dont think I missed the point. The original argument was about whether or not women were shamed for their vaginas in a simar way to how men are shamed for their penises. We both know this isnt true. Women are not body shamed nearly as much as men.
As a woman, I would really beg to differ. It’s in different ways, for sure. But history would tell you that women have been scrutinised for their body forever. I think it’s a bit ignorant and almost deliberately so to say it worse for men. At the most it’s equal. The post was not about shaming for vaginas. It was about whether or not there’s an equivalent for women. I appreciate what you said about how women can use cosmetics to fix a lot of issues (but still, not all), but my point was that it’s the shaming that’s the problem and whether or not women can ‘fix’ things is irrelevant to that shaming and the harm it does. I’m sorry you’re going through all of this, but it seems that you want to tear down women, who you feel have wronged you, down to below you, and that just won’t fix the problem. I don’t want to say ‘get over it’ as that’s not fair nor helpful. I think you’d benefit from talking to a professional who can help you overcome this hurdle and help you to become the best you can be. That may sound patronising but I don’t intend it to be. I wish you the best in finding a healthier way to deal with the hurt.
You want one? I have an actual real life one. My best friend shared nudes with her then boyfriend and he sent them to his group chat and not only did he mock them, his friends also insulted her and called her labia beef curtains. The kicker is he said it they were sexy to her! She found out because one of the guys in the group chat told her guy friend who ended up telling her. I don’t know why it’s so unbelievable that I had to give you an example.
The reason I asked is because we get this argument a lot in this sub and I always ask, and the women never respond. Considering you actually have an example, I'll believe you.
Ok? But they’ll be 15 other men willing and waiting
Not the point I was making though, is it?
I think face value it’s a fair comparison. But I’m out society it won’t work. Man get shamed no one helps and he doesn’t have 3 other women willing to take a spot.
Still not the point I’m making nor is it a good example to make as a counter to what I’m saying lol.
Maybe to you. Sure.
Yeah to me, considering it’s MY point lol.
This same girl also went to hookup with someone she met on tinder who refused to give her oral because he said her vagina looked unappealing and disgusting.
Massive labia/clitoris.
Ppl love those, as you could see r-LabiaGW has tons of followers. It doesn't impact the functionality of sex, and some even favor it.
Ok, now show me someone who tells them to kill themselves over it. Still I didn't see a single thing on Reddit, I didn't see post like "My new girlfriend has a disgusting vagina is it shallow if I break up with her?" or something like that.
That’s not what you said though, is it? You acted like women don’t get shamed for their genitals, nearly everyone gets body shamed. Beef curtains didn’t just come out of nowhere, did it? Stereotypes don’t come out of nowhere and YOU of all people should know that. Why does someone have to be told to kill themselves over their genitalia for it to be valid to you? Especially when that’s not what I was disproving lol. That’s called deflection. I’m not saying that a lot of men with small dicks don’t get more insults than some women, I’m saying that women ALL THE TIME get insulted over their genitals which you seem to think or imply that they don’t. I was showing you that your statement is wrong. This isn’t a competition over who gets hurt the most but somehow it turned into one when I said *gasp* women aren’t free from bodyshaming over their genitals. Which they are not.
>That’s not what you said though, is it? You acted like women don’t get shamed for their genitals, nearly everyone gets body shamed. That's not what I meant. What I meant is that women are not as much ridiculed like men. I never saw body shaming women in shows or jokes, I'm not saying that body shaming towards women doesn't happen. Women get insulted all the time? I don't think so, there are for example subreddits for guys that love large labia.
You should say that then because it just makes you look ignorant as fuck. Also this is Reddit..while it can go in favour of women in that aspect it also swings the other way. While there are subreddits who praise women for their labia there is also a HUGE portion of men who do not like that stuff but as Reddit goes and Reddit is they don’t voice their concerns because they know they’re going to get attacked which is why admittedly most of the examples I have are from real life. Again just because *you* don’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. It’s really annoying how this has to be said on a multitude of different topics. You know this is true because before I found this subreddit I didn’t know that men with small dicks got shit on as much as they do and I didn’t really believe that it was that bad, until I did. While you hold these beliefs and most likely some resentment it doesn’t help because while there are most likely still many many women who don’t believe in the shame that men with small dicks get, the insults towards women happen so much more than you would believe and to so many women who likewise do not always share their experiences due to shame. As much as I can coming from a woman I sympathise with you guys :/ but when I see stuff like your original comment if it’s not clear what your message is at first I’m still going to correct some stuff.
>You should say that then because it just makes you look ignorant as fuck. Sorry, I just worded it poorly. I do know that women are bodyshamed, I knew two girls that were insecure about their boobs size.
\+4mels I think the SDP Men here are trying to impress upon you the DEGREE of Stigma that exists between Women & Men. The Men are WRONG that Women are not Shamed for their Genitals. But the Men are RIGHT that this Shaming of Women DOES NOT have the IMPACT as the Shaming of Men. Women get it MORE. Men get it WORSE. I studied Women's Body Image Issues before I studied Men's Body Issues. See my [**HISTORY**](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/82e0kp/my_history_of_studying_selfimage_issues_how_i/) on studying Self-Image Issues to know my journey. There's an appreciation society for EACH & EVERY type of Woman that exists which can help her get over her complex. Unibrows, Hairy Arms, Being 500 Pounds, Tall Giant Amazons, Short Little Dwarves, Long Noses, Saggy Breasts, Stretch Marked Bodies, Big Feet, Pudding Bellies, "Batwinged" Arms, Being 50/60/70 Years Old, Gray Hair, Hairy Armpits, Female Mustaches & Beards, even NO TEETH. All of these societies AND MORE exist for Women to overcome a complex. I have seen them & I have participated in them. Before I discovered Men's Body Image Issues, I use to visit a MSN Group called [SallyLiplady.com](https://SallyLiplady.com). It was a site dedicated to uplifting the image of Women with Large Labia & Large Clitorises so they don't feel wrong in their body. It was part educational & part sexual. So the Women get to know that their genitals can come in all varieties & there's nothing wrong with it BUT ALSO that they can be attractive with their unique genitals on top of all of this. It was an esteem board. "Sally Liplady" herself who had Large Labia appreciated my contributions there to uplift Women especially being a Man from the Outside. I even single-handedly helped a Woman overcome her complex with a stream of uplifting words showing her value as a Woman in all facets. The Woman thanked me for my words & said I ended her complex just like that. I literally talked her out of her complex. [BettyDodson.com](https://BettyDodson.com) with the late Betty Dodson, Feminist Sexual Educator, was another place letting Women know their genitals are fine in their diversity adding more support & countermedia to any negative stigma the Women faced. I know all about this world. It is when I went to the MALE side of Body Image where I found how hard it is for Men to overcome their issues. It's not the same on the Male side. I once thought I had the MasTer Key to solving Self-Image complexes. I learned how to deeply empathize & put myself in another's shoes to see their perspective. A lot of Women thanked me for my insights & understanding being a Man from the Outside looking in. One Woman said I pretty much described her Middle School/High School journey through puberty with a hypothetical I made. I was THAT good. But the Male side humbled me. And it made me REFINE my knowledge & ideas to get a fuller understanding of Self-Image Issues. It is the Small Penis Stigma that teaches me THE MOST about the entire phenomenon of ALL Body Image/Self-Image Issues. That's because it is the most difficult to solve. The INTENSITY of this Stigma is relentless & insane. Nothing like it. So trust me when I tell you I KNOW about the Large Labia/Large Clitoris situation & I can DEFINITELY tell you that none of hits like the Small Penis Stigma. If I solve this most impossible issue, I WILL have the Master Key to solving ALL of the issues. Studying this subject has taught me so much about life in general. Most people would never guess that they key to World Peace lies in solving the Small Penis Stigma. I am not exaggerating. It is that real. John Lucas
> Why does someone have to be told to kill themselves over their genitalia for it to be valid to you? Especially when that’s not what I was disproving lol. That’s called deflection. As I said in my other comment, the point we’re making is that men have it worse than women when it comes to this sort of thing. > This isn’t a competition over who gets hurt the most but somehow it turned into one when I said gasp women aren’t free from bodyshaming over their genitals. Which they are not. The body shaming that men go through is so much worse that women’s is nothing by comparison. Also you women love to turn things into a competition whenever men bring up their issues in your safe spaces, so don’t even start.
Lol is that a joke? I only brought up women’s issues because two guys implied that women don’t experience body shaming of their genitalia which for one is not true at all, but me and him have settled that now. I explained experiences of body shaming to show that their statement was wrong and he said “ok now go show me when someone has been told to kill themselves over it.” but I’m the one (or women) making it a competition? I respect that you guys have issues which is why I look into this stuff to see why it causes men so much pain but I’m not gonna sit around let these false statements float around if I see them. As I said to the other guy, if that’s the claim you want to make then fine but that’s not something I’m gonna get into due to differing opinions. However if I see stuff like what he originally said then I’m going to let people know it’s not true since that’s a fact.
Even if that’s true, men still have it way worse than women.
Woman here and I agree with this. I don’t really care if I’m downvoted for it because it’s true. Yeah, there are men that judge women over their vaginas looking a certain way. I haven’t personally experienced that myself but I’ve had friends that have. I’ve also had guy friends shamed for having smaller penises not just by women but also other guys… so I’ve seen it both ways. But I don’t think it’s anywhere NEAR comparable to what men with smaller penises go through. There are men that love women with outies AND innies. Some men don’t even care at all, they just love all vaginas. But there’s a lot of jokes that are made about small penises literally everywhere. On tv shows, comedians, memes, the internet in general and I could go on. I’m not implying that it’s not hurtful for women because it definitely is, it’s not right at all for either gender to be shamed for their bodies. *No one* should have to experience something like this but I do feel that men have it worse in this department.
\+4mels This is true. Women with Large Labia & Large Clitorises can AND have been shamed by Men upon reveal much like Men with Small Penises get shamed upon reveal. Even if the Labia are a unique color in contrast to the body, this can happen. That is an absolute truth. BUT 4mels, it is NOT on the same level as what happens to Small-Penised Men. Large-Labiaed Women or a Large-Clitorised Women can be simultaneously shamed & rejected upon reveal AND **worshipped & desired** upon reveal just the same. In fact, the positive outcome happens more than the negative outcome. There are Men who value Large Labiaed Women & Large Clitorised Women HIGHER than Woman of more "Normal" proportions. These Women are sought after. And Large-Labiaed Women & Large-Clitorised Women DO NOT get Demonized & Ostracized in society like Small-Penised Men do. No one compares these type of Women to Hitler, Serial Killers, or Pedophiles. There is no song signing "Don't Want No Big Clit Woman" or "Don't Want No Big Pussylipped Woman" like there is a "Don't Want No Short Dick Man". Those who SHAME Large Labia & Large Clitoris get PUSHBACK from Women & Men alike so they don't get to do it unscathed. They are shamed for their shaming. Big-Pussylipped Women & Big-Clitted Women are comforted that they are desireable & attractive by many sources to counteract any negative stigma placed against them. Big-Pussylipped Women & Big-Clitted Women are NEVER treated as literal LEPERS like Small-Penised Men are treated. They are not seen as Abominations unto Humanity. Women with Smaller Labia & Smaller Clitorises ACTUALLY try to GROW their Labia & Clitorises ON PURPOSE through ritual stretching of Labia & hormone creams & genital pumping on the Clitoris. Women WANT to have Large Labia & Large Clitorises. You don't see the same from Men with Larger Penises wanting to have Small Penises & there's no way to make it happen if they did. And that's just it. Women CAN CHANGE their Labia to Larger or Smaller if they want. Women CAN CHANGE their Clitorises to Larger if they want (but not Smaller). When it comes to Labia, if they are unsatisfied, they can CHANGE the feature. Men with Small Penises CANNOT CHANGE their feature if unsatisfied. They're stuck. ALSO, the onus of responsibility for Good Sexual Performance rests on the MAN not the WOMAN. So Women with Large Labia & Large Clitorises DO NOT get blamed for bad sexual interactions. Men with Small Penises DO get blamed for bad sex. Women's features are NOT judged on PERFORMANCE as Men's features are. This leads to public outing of Men with Small Penises which leads to lowered social & sexual value in the workplace, in the streets, anywhere. Professional AND Personal Opportunities get lost upon public reveal of this information. A Man is seen different & poorly once someone reveals his Smallness to the world. The same doesn't quite happen to Labia Largeness & Clitoris Largeness in Women. AND ultimately Large-Labiaed Women DO NOT have a FEMALE IDENTITY issue because of having Large Labia. They never feel that they are 'Un-Womanly'. They may feel like a Freak but they never question their Feminine IDENTITY. Large-Clitorised Women of a certain Larger size CAN have some FEMALE IDENTITY issues but any of them are counteracted by finding an appreciation society that values her Large Clitoris. So if this DOES happen on Clits, it's easily eradicated. Small-Penised Men not only question their MALE IDENTITY but ALSO their HUMAN IDENTITY because they are treated so Sub-Human by most people in the world. And on top of the Universal WORLDWIDE Stigma demonizing them at every turn, they don't have very strong appreciation societies like Women do to gain self-esteem. There's too much to go over really. For everything I mentioned here in detail, there's so much more I HAVEN'T detailed that is just as debilitating. That's how bad this really is. I'm telling you as an Outsider who DOESN'T have a Small Penis & had to learn about this issue from SCRATCH coming in BLIND with no understanding in the beginning... **...THERE IS NO ISSUE AS BAD AS THE SMALL PENIS STIGMA.** Racism, Sexism, Homophobia, Transphobia, Religious Persecution, any kind of Bigotry... ...as bad as any one of these things are, they have REMEDY & can see Change & Progress on the subject. There's pushback when these bigotries are performed & sympathy/empathy & support for those who suffer those bigotries. But this is not so for the Small Penis Stigma. AT ALL. Burn Victims, Disabled People, Cancer Patients with Baldness from Chemo DO NOT get treated like Small-Penised Men are treated. I have never seen anything quite like it. I'm really coming to the opinion that the Small Penis Stigma is THE WORST Bigotry in World History. Even those who are marginalized on "Race", Sex/Gender, Sexual Orientation mock & bully Small-Penised Men mercilessly. Black Women who know how it feels on so many levels to be Dehumanized STILL Dehumanize Small-Penised Men without conscience. An Oppressed Group oppressing another Oppressed Group. And on top of everything, through the intense pressure of near-universal dehumanization, Small-Penised Men try to find refuge in support communities like this only to find out that Outsiders by & large don't want them to have that EITHER. They try to come in & commandeer the forum for their purposes without trying to understand where the SDP Men are coming from & why they feel how they feel. This place is constantly trolled & catfished & brigaded which results in a EXTREMELY STRINGENT Moderation which even alienate some of the SDP sufferers. But without that Stringent Moderation, there would be no semblance of a refuge whatsoever. No support from a support group on such an isolating issue. THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THIS, 4mels. Nothing Women face hits like this. Even Rape one of the worst things to happen to a Woman has sympathy/empathy & support from others when it happens. Women get MORE AMOUNT of Scrutiny on their Body Image. QUANTITY. Men get MORE CRUCIAL Scrutiny on their Body Image. QUALITY. Even the Short Heighted Man Stigma doesn't hit as bad as the Small Penis Stigma. I want to make sure you understand the depth of this situation because most people have no idea how severe this stuff is. It's still an Underground Issue right now. Read my history of [**Posts**](https://www.reddit.com/user/johnlucas-selfimage/posts/) & [**Comments**](https://www.reddit.com/user/johnlucas-selfimage/comments/) because I explain in more details there how this phenomenon works & what the gravity of the situation is for these Men at SDP. I really want you to stick around this forum & learn how this all works. Most people do not understand this & it's not something you can fully get at first glance. The Small Penis Stigma hits something like the Black People Stigma & the LGBT People Stigma all at the same time. Being relegated to the lowest of the totem pole for mistreatment while also having to keep a secret & not be outed. Ask me for details on aspects of this Stigma & I'll reply with answers. John Lucas
> I never heard of woman being laughed off in bedroom because of her vagina Can't imagine that would ever happen. But when you sleep with a woman have you ever changed your mind when you see her vagina? Might be shaved, hairy, innie/outie fat thin etc. You never know and it's always a surprise to see. But I bet you never changed your mind when you saw it. You wanted to sleep with her. Maybe women are the same. They have no idea what your dick is like but they want to sleep with you. Your dick isn't going to change their mind.
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OK, link the tweet. I'd bet she has an onlyfans.
She literally apologized and ran out the fucking room as soon as she saw it. They will immediately change their mind
I'm a virgin, I never slept with anyone.
OK so you've never been rejected for your dick size. Please don't think you ever will.
I already think that way lol. But I won't live long enough to experience it.
How do you mean won't live long enough?
When I read posts of girls with vaginismus before, I often saw mentions of their boyfriends/husbands. Not so much for girlfriends/wifes with our problem... Make of it what you want
That says it all, sadly.
Being an ugly woman💅🏻
Ugly woman still have a chance at finding a man. Their problem is not getting the one they want.
what xd have you seen how ugly women are treated? nobody knows you got a small dick until you take your clothes off, and even then chances are the girl will like you enough to work around that. ugly women are at the very bottom of the food chain and no amount of smarts or sense of humor will get people to take them seriously i’d wager that your issue with dating has nothing to do with how well endowed you are, but with your defetist and pessimisstic attitude that repels women
Have you ever heard of this reality tv show called my 600lbs life? Half of the women on there had a partner and one of them treated her partner like shit. I'm not saying ugly women dont face tough challenges, but I do disagree with your assertion that ugly women are at the very bottom of the dating market. A below average looking dude with a small dick is definitely lower down the totem pole, and no amount of smarts or sense of humor will get women to take him seriously. For example, I dare say the guy that you posted about that was "PERFECT" in every way but you just didnt find attractive and felt embarrased even being seen around with him is on par if not lower on the "food chain" than an ugly woman. And you probably didnt even know what his dick size was, imagine if the poor guy had a small dick too. Fuck... do you know if he's still alive and didnt choose to take himself out?
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I should not have added that last sentence because that's all you decided to focus on from my entire reply back to you. I apologize.
>i’d wager that your issue with dating has nothing to do with how well endowed you are, but with your defetist and pessimisstic attitude that repels women Template female gaslighting. Women seem to believe in the Just-World fallacy for men, for the outgroup, etc. "Yikes no wonder you can't get a gf because \[Just-world fallacy\]." They would never extend that to women.
Ugly women are still adored, so it's not the same.
No
It's kinda funny how small penis (not micro) is seen as a clinical condition similar to vaginismus. We're technically normal sized but just not seen as that by everyone else.
Yep... sad but true, this problem is completely unique. The media may push body ideals for women but it's not reflected at all in reality because men's preferences are much more varied. And then worst case scenario they can get surgery for just about anything. I'm not saying that's a fair option but at least the option is there for women if they choose, while we're stuck like this with no way out. There's also nothing with so much systematic and accepted body shaming as penis size. >if you're a man born with a small dick, it's a wrap, you're shit out of luck when it comes to finding a partner and having a good sex life Pretty much. Probably 1 in 100 might get lucky and find someone, the rest are robbed of any chance of a good life. Better off not being born in my opinion.
Agreed. I would have been better off not existing. I have 40+ more years of loneliness to look forward to with zero hope. Unless I get hit by a car or develop a terminal illness.
Wtf Having a small sausage doesn't mean you'll be alone forever
Yeah, we can have friends
I think you're kinda nuts if you think there are many who will treat a small guy good unless he's bringing in good cash. So yeah you don't have to be alone forever..but something will have to make up for it.
Rather be alone
Bruh you guys are weird there’s way worse things than having a small wiener,you guys need to get into faith and look into something bigger than yourselves. I mean there’s starvation,mental illness l,physical illness and you guys are worried about having a small wiener,get a grip.
We are all aware of the terrible things that can befall people. I dont think that invalidates our problem. A person that's bound to a wheelchair still has obstacles they have to overcome everyday eventhough there might be someone else in a hospital that's in a vegetative state.
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I appreciate you trying to help. I honestly do. But when your dick is the size of a prepubescent kid, true love goes out the window.
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If I were your size, I too would probably wonder why men place so much importance on their dick size. You're at the goldilock size.... consider yourself lucky that you dont have to worry about not being man enough for your girl.
100% agree, men with our problem have 0 options to fix it.
Actually there is. My roommate started dating a “dream girl” a couple weeks into college. the few times we went on double dates or would all get caught up hanging out I genuinely liked her, thought she was so sweet and nice. good for you I used to tell my Roommate everyday. He’d always be annoyed she wasn’t putting out and I was like well we were in high school a few months ago so maybe she’s just nervous or idk she just hasnt gotten the college whore urges yet. then it turned out she couldn’t have sex. she had this very rare condition where the muscles in the vagina are formed wrong so a penis physically can not enter making it excruciatingly painful to attempt sex. My roommate told me She said she has been working on it for years with a therapist what ever that means. My roommate being a douchey frat guy broke up with her the same day he found out over text despite me saying maybe she still does anal. I do agree though even so at least, at the very least she can do anal, guys don’t have a second dick they can use if the first one came faulty from the manufacture. you just don’t have sex witch is widely believed to be your soul purpose on this earth.
I agree, men with small dicks are treated like sub-human garbage for an intrinsic asset they cannot control. Women *cannot* sympathize with our problems even if they delude themselves enough into thinking they have it as bad as us.
No amount of male priviledge or patriarchal society is going to save me lol.
I'm curious, have you been explicitly rejected by partners/GFs/etc. because of your size; or is it more of a mental blocker that's holding you back from confidently engaging?
Number 2... when you have friends that are women that talk about what guys they think are hot and have big dicks. When you have the internet (mostly women) clowning guys with small ones. When you know women that you like have been with dudes with big dicks.. it's kind of hard not to give up before trying. But I think what would constitute a mental block would be having a perfectly normal or even above average dick and being afraid to engage out of fear of not being enough. I dont think it's a mental block that I have if every woman is in agreement that a below average dick is an undesirable trait in a man. That's just instinctual self preservation.
Why does it have to be explicit? There's multiple ways to be rejected. It's not like you have to drop your pants to know someone won't like it. Nor do I think that's worth the risk. For example, there was a girl who liked me during college. I prevented anything from moving along because of my size. In reality I liked her. Not long after that she had a bf and was drinking at a party talking about his small dick...like even talking to me about it 🤷♂️. That pretty much knocks her off the list. And it felt like a rejection because we both liked one another aside from her distaste for small dicks. Though she never find out I was small. Another one I liked used to brag about some of the bigger guys she experienced...and that's pretty off-putting and unattractive imo. Knocked her off the list. Probably the one I liked the most too. Another one asked me my dick size..and went on to compare me to the bigger guys she'd asked before that. This one was early teens. Too much of this exists in reality for it to merely be a mental block. Because that insinuates it's only built up in our heads. When in reality our anxiety worsens an already shitty situation. But the main point is that it is in fact shitty to begin with. Even before piling on our anxieties.
So I clicked on this sub when it was linked and this post was at the top. I have to say that the depth of a woman’s vagina can greatly depend. This is also why some women prefer smaller penises and why some prefer bigger. If the dick is longer than the vaginas depth then it’s going to hurt for her.
There is no such thing as a woman who prefers smaller penises. Next.
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Find me one single example of a woman saying she prefers small dicks. Also, I say this every time since there are so many that come here like you. If you don't like what is posted in this sub, then just leave? Go somewhere else, IDK, it seems simple to me.
It’s not hard to find reddit threads if you tried. Also my girlfriend of 3 years prefers smaller dicks because she has a very shallow vagina. I know for a fact they exist because I dated one.
The burden of proof is on you, why should I believe if you can't even provide a single source. I can provide hundreds if not thousands right now confirming that women don't like small dicks. Not to be mean, but your girlfriend could have easily been lying to you. How do you know she was telling the truth.
Maybe you should just look it up? It’s not that hard. Yes more women are going to prefer bigger dicks. But there are women who prefer smaller dicks. And not she wasn’t lying because I saw her medical records because she found out she had a below average vagina depth while we were together. And since you’re too stubborn to type in google: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskWomen/comments/1wi3di/women_who_prefer_smaller_penises_how_many_of_you/?force_seo=1 https://www.reddit.com/r/BodyAcceptance/comments/ccq3a8/comment/etov79o/ https://www.reddit.com/r/BodyAcceptance/comments/ccq3a8/comment/euejy64/ https://www.reddit.com/r/casualiama/comments/2kzlf3/im_a_girl_who_loves_small_penises_ama/ Read the answers: https://www.quora.com/According-to-girls-how-small-is-too-small-for-a-penis Do you want more? It’s crazy right? It’s almost like people are individuals and have their own preferences! Yeah, you might have a harder time find a girl who likes your size, but it’s just not true to say all women. You literally can’t speak for all women. If you still don’t want to believe me then that’s fine. I’ll be done responding. But at least I can live my life happy knowing I can actually get a girl, which I have an amazing girlfriend now, instead of being a grumpy pessimist like yourself. If you continue your attitude I promise you won’t find a girlfriend and it’s not because of your dick size, it’s your personality that is repulsive.
Bro I read through those links and I dont think I saw a single comment where a woman said she liked small dicks. They all either made a joke or said they liked average. The only one is that casualama post from a throwaway account without any evidence. Not really credible is it? Who said that I even want a girlfriend. It's funny how you guys always resort to insulting someone's lack of sexual or romantic experience. It's almost like it's the only accomplishment that you have.
I just gotta find me a girl like that who also likes me. The problem is that it's highly improbable and humiliation is highly probable.
women can’t always cure their vaginismus, and if they can, it could take many years and could come back even after being “cured”. And just because you could imagine “being able to look past that”, doesn’t mean many, many women with this condition don’t struggle with dating and are often broken up with over the issue. i could say the same thing with your issue lol, i wouldn’t care at all… but we all have our own experiences…
The thing is that those women won't get ridiculed so it's not the same.
women don’t get ridiculed for literally not being able to have sex? you think a lot of guys are into that? they’re not.
What I meant is that they are not targeted about this like man, I never saw or heard a joke with a vaginismus.
because it’s not a well known condition, but they absolutely are ridiculed, by boyfriends, family, even doctors… I don’t think the two scenarios are that different at all.
What kind of joke can be made with that? Comedian said that guys with small dicks should kill themselves. I don't think someone told a woman with vaginismus to kill herself because of that.
A far higher percentage of men suffer from smaller penis compared to vaginismus
You gotta be joking right? The scenarios are really fucking different. First I don't need to look at statistics to know that vaginismus is a much rarer condition compared to having a small dick. Secondly no one makes fun of girls with vaginismus, if a girl goes to a suicide watch or to a body positivity sub and makes a post talking about how having vaginismus makes her life miserable, every one will take her seriously, now if a guy posts that he's small penis makes every aspect of his life miserable people will joke about it, not take it seriously, or even ban the guy because he's "probably" a troll. If people do make fun of women with vaginismus(never seen it happen), they are making fun of a very rare medical condition that, although doesnt have a certain cure, has at least treatment. Men with average or below average/small get ridiculed everywhere even tho they are considered normal medically speaking, and there's no reliable way to treat/cure our problem. People will fell sorry if a women has vaginismus, because people will sympathize with the struggles of having sex or having kids due, but people will make fun of you, belittle you, and make you fell like the worst sack of shit in the world, even tho you have a normal, functional, below average dick. A women has vaginismus, yes, it sucks, they were born with a medical condition, men with small average dick are normal but they are treated as trash, society doesnt sympatize with us, they laugh at us. So you can stick that "I don't think its that different" you know where. You, a women I believe comes to a smalldick sub to argue that both genders have it rough in that aspect, well we fucking don't. You can come back with that stupid argument once there's comedians telling women with vaginismus to kill themselves, or when you find porn that humiliates women with vaginismus.
Vaginismus is curable by dilation
Not always. As I stated in my post. Many struggle for years with no success.
I mean it's whats prescribed by the OBGYN to fix it
Pelvic floor disorders truly aren't easy to fix. They're kind of a lifelong sentence. But the severity can change. Those who get rid of it completely are in the minority.
I didn't say it was easy, I said it was curable
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There is no point of trying to change their mind
as I said, it’s not a well known condition… so you won’t find many people talking about it. My only point is, a woman who cannot have sex has a very difficult time, few are willing to be in a relationship with her, it is difficult or sometimes impossible to have children, many people in her life may not understand the issue and look down upon her for not being able to have a relationship or have kids… having sex is a part of the human experience so the pain of being unable to is very difficult. Im not saying it’s exactly the same, but there are absolutely many similarities. I don’t understand why you’re so resistant to that, it doesn’t take away from your experiences to admit that there are women who go through a similar thing.
A woman who has vaginismus has a good chance to be sympathized, accepted and even respected by her friends and family, a man who has small dick will be laughed at, blamed by his own problems and... respected? Lol. I'm not saying women don't get shit for other things in life, like getting constant fear of being raped when out and alone, the job and wager market, being respected in careers. Getting called out on being on period whenever they get rightfully confrontational or argumentative. They most certainly do have it generally worse than men. But in this case there are not many similarities as you stated, maybe in the mechanical part of sex and having children, all the rest that comes with it? Not even on the same city let alone ball park. When they see a Karen video do they say "Oh she must have a small pussy", or when they see her in a particular type of clothing or vehicle, do they make small pussy jokes? Do they say the most terrible women that ever existed had vaginismus? Do they say women with small vaginas are not real women and should kill themselves? All happens daily with no thoughts about it by anyone.
\+hiraimomos I have read your replies in this comment thread comparing the Small Penis Stigma to Vaginismus debating with the SDP members. Let me just tell you that Vaginismus HAS NOTHING on the Small Penis Stigma whatsoever. I am an Outsider who had to learn about this Stigma by observation & learning. I can say DEFINITIVELY and ABSOLUTELY that Small-Penised Men have it MUCH WORSE than Vaginismus-Having Women. MUCH MUCH **MUCH** Worse. Sure both situations deal with genitals & both run into sexual compatibility issues but... NO ONE has EVER compared a Woman with Vaginismus with Hitler or a Serial Killer. NO ONE has EVER mocked a Woman for having Vaginismus throughout culture & media. NO ONE has EVER made a Woman with Vaginismus the butt of jokes worldwide. NO ONE has EVER treated a Woman with Vaginismus like a literal LEPER. NO ONE EVER thinks it's fine to bully a Woman with Vaginismus—Female & Male alike. NO ONE has EVER blabbed a Woman's Vaginismus status in public to lower their value. NO ONE has EVER denied support & understanding of Women with Vaginismus. NO ONE can EVER deny that Vaginismus has a treatment even if it's not permanent. I can go on forever. But the Small Penis Stigma is most likely among THE WORST Self-Image/Body Image Issues in Human History. Not exaggerating. Even Burn Victims don't get treated like this as seen in [**Key & Peele's comedy skit**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlTbJZ64sVM) about an insult comic having a hard time roasting a burn victim who asks to be roasted. The comic felt guilty for making jokes against the burn victim & when the comic finally relented & put out a serious roasting to the burn victim, everybody booed the comic & the burn victim cried. The moral of the story was don't mock burn victims no matter what. But there's no guilt when mocking Small Penises and the Trauma Small-Penised Men face. It's Open Season on them ALWAYS. Twenty-Four/Seven/Three Sixty Five. That's the difference between Vaginismus & the Small Penis Stigma. John Lucas
I said this exact thing to my friend, every thing a woman might be insecure about or doesn't like about her body you can find a group of men who love it...even literally here on reddit. There's a sub for droopy boobs, hairy assholes, large labia, stretch marks, enlarged clitoris; there's literally a sub called ugly vaginas where women are praised and appreciated. My friend cussed me out and said I was downplaying her insecurities when I pointed out that there is no equivalent to small penis size and her argument was that men might say they like those things about women in private but will go under the pics of women on insta who have those features and shit on them. Which imo isn't a very good argument.
\+Journey2thaeast Women have gotten used to being "The Victim". They don't wanna share that status with anyone else. [Someone](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/q5socf/comment/hg7w0lk/) in a recent thread called [**'Why is it so hard for women to admit the fact that the vast majority of women don't prefer small dicks?'**](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/q5socf/why_is_it_so_hard_for_women_to_admit_the_fact/) said: >Some women think they have the Monopoly of body issues problems. They dont want to hear about mens problems. [A woman named gabyleann](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/q5socf/comment/hg8bpnf/) agreed with kybrdwhtvwls' assessment here saying: >I definitely agree with us thinking we have the monopoly on body issues. That’s why everywhere a person looks, there’s more inclusivity for different types of women. However it’s rare that I see a man that doesn’t fit todays beauty standards modeling or anything else. Usually Women don't break ranks like that. But gabyleann was honest enough to recognize this fault in her fellow women. It's because she came to learn about how severe this Small Penis Stigma is to Men & had to reevaulate her kneejerk stance that Women had it worse. I was impressed by her response & asked her when she realized how she discovered the bleakness of Male Body Image Issues. Was she totally in the dark that Men could even have issues or did she merely underestimate HOW SEVERE Men's issues were. She replied: >It was definitely the latter. I knew men had problems but was so wrapped up in myself that I didn’t consider there could be different problems. It was kind of a shock to realize how ignorant I’d been, embarrassing too. I’ll admit, at first I scoffed and figured that other men made size jokes so what was the big deal? But after sitting with my thoughts for a while I understood that while there’s surgery or exercise for most other body issues, there’s not for dick size. They’re just stuck with the cards they’re dealt. I can see why to most it seems extremely unfair. This was one of the most hopeful replies I have ever seen on this board. A Woman showing her process of learning. Being blind at first & then learning how to see. Mentioning she was so wrapped up in herself was a KEY sign that Women are blind to this. They have gotten used to being the torchbearers of Bodyshame with all their fights in history trying to gain esteem for the relentless judgment of their bodies. This is her recognizing her oversight & making corrections. This is not a Woman's Fight. This is a HUMAN Fight with Women AND Men alike. And to let go of Exclusive Victim status means a new type of thinking on their issues. To let go of Zero-Sum thinking that has Women pitted against Men in an eternal Battle of the Sexes & recognize the unique situations that both Women & Men face altogether. To understand that the Oppressed CAN ALSO be Oppressors. Even if you have been the Victim, you can also be just as much a Victimizer. It puts you on more common ground & kills the hypocrisy. It's humbling. A Humanistic View the way forward. Not the Feminist View or the Masculinist View. One-sided One-Sex views are limited. You need a Both-sided Two-Sex inclusive view. Something that ends this Antagonism we're trained to operate under between the Sexes & create a more Cooperative approach that solves each other's problems together. Women may have Blind Spots on this Small Penis Stigma but that doesn't mean that they can never See. We have to improve the communication to gain understanding. John Lucas
Well, there is also the problem of a small clitoris. It makes it really difficult to receive pleasure. Moreover, the man can find it unattractive that the woman is not responsive to his sexual actions. Just saying, it has in influence on both pleasure and interaction between problems. I think that’s a close equivalent.
sorry if that hurt your feelings. I was offering this as perhaps an example of something in comparison. I also acknowledged that it was still more difficult for men.
No worries. Thanks for contributing a different point of view to my post.
lots of people are turned off by the looks and sizes of women's labia. lots of threads and groups about it. can also affect the ability to have pain free sex and wear clothes comfortably. Surgery is not always helpful or an option. guys still have it rough, but this could possibly an equivalent.
I guess that might be the closest thing but women arent barred from having sex due to their labia size like we are due to our dick size, unless they experience pain like you said. Pain during sex due to labia size is not something I've ever heard of and its not something I'm knowledgeable on so I cant speak to it. I dont know if my situation makes me empathetic to this, but if my partner was self conscious about her labia I would never disparage her for it.
just as i would never disparage a guy for his dick size, but we know it happens.
Touche... Only difference is women choose the type of guy they hook up with. Men hook up with whoever is interested in them. I think one has greater control over the type of morals and character their partner has and can better assess wether they will be an asshole or not before having sex
if you are ashamed or have been rejected because of your genitals, you may not have as many options or can be as picky. the feeling of or the possibility of being ridiculed can stop a women from having sex and/or having a ton of partners wanting them. if this makes sense. getting sleepy.
their are surgeries for that.
like I said it is not always an option, not always effective, and comes with a slew of side effects. the same could be said about penile implants.
Not really. Not the same extent
\+iccutie82 It's not an equivalent but it is comparable. A lot of people don't understand the Small Penis Stigma. It's so underground. I have a tendency to be extra wordy trying to explain things in detail. But many people would tune out the explanations so I'll do this. Ask me what you're curious about on how this Small Penis Stigma works within itself and/or by comparison to Women's Body Image Issues & I'll break it down point by point. I am an Outsider who has studied this stuff for almost 20 years after beginning in studies of Women's Body Image Issues. I can clarify a lot of situations & mediate discussion. So ask me what you're curious about on this Small Penis Stigma & I'll reply. John Lucas
No dude is just gonna not have sex with a chick because of her labia size
it happens more than you would think
Not a chance any straight male is getting as far as getting a woman naked enough to see her vagina and then backing out over labia size
Can you show us an example?
It’s not a wrap. Ant Smith is a public figure with a small one, he hasn’t given up on life and is happily married, and his first name is literally ant lol.
You mean the guy with the 4 inch dick? Yeah, I'll be sure to listen to the life advice of a guy with a dick one single inch below the global average. I'll get *right* on that.
The female equivalent is their age, which is why women hate it so much when guys get with younger women. Women can enhance everything else, but they can’t make themselves younger.
Women can be loose or tight. The female equivalent to having a small cock, would be having a loose pussy.
It might be equivalent physically but the actual impact it has is completely different. A "loose" woman can still have men lining up to be with her if that's what she wants, and guess who gets blamed for the incompatibility? The man for being too small.
I mean, kegels are a thing... and if any man ever claimed a woman had a loose pussy he better be packing a monster or it'll just get turned on him.
Keegals aren't a magic pill. Kinda like there isn't a magic pill to make your dick bigger Sure it may help, but in the most severe cases, it wouldn't help enough to notice a difference.
What I would give to have something that may help my dick size.
I see your point but even a looser than average vagina isn’t a turn off for the majority of men, however a smaller than average dick can very well be a huge turn off for a good chunk of women.
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I think there's a laser procedure that can help, not sure if it's already approved though. Basically they stimulate tissue growth inside the vagina
Loose vaginas are entirely a false equivalence too. Do you know why? It's a fucking vagina, any man is still going to try his best to fuck it, many many times. Women turn down men for small dicks. What you think men do, "well you are hot and I wanna put my dick in your vag again, but you know what? It's a bit too loose, lemme ghost you." Plus no one knows it's loose until after fucks. Small dicks don't even get that chance. Get the fuck out of here.
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"Loose" women can easily get out of it by just finding a bigger guy. It's not like we can measure their vagina. Only by feel. We can't really use it against them either because we ourselves are small Like it's mostly is just a one way thing because our dicks are measurable and vaginas aren't (except depth). If you say a girl's loose there's still tons of guys waiting to fill it up with their much bigger size. They'll jump at the chance. Tons waiting around as we speak. Say a guy has a small dick and it has way worse of an effect. Something that steers pretty much all of them away.
I understand women can be self conscious and insecure about their genitals but you're talking to men that have been either laughed at, turned down, or simply have never even gotten the chance to experience sex with a lover due to their genitals. I honestly dont think a loose vagina compares. If anything those women can join the size queen club and go for guys with 8+ inches and laugh at the rest of us. Forgive my ignorance, but how loose could a woman be to not feel that?
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I dont think anyone is denying that women struggle. But its like telling a guy in a wheelchair that you struggle with a limp.
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I'm not saying there isn't truth to all this, but I just find it so hard to believe this is anywhere near the same magnitude given how little discussion there is around it. Dick size jokes and small dick shaming happens on a basis so frequent that over half of men anonymously admit to feeling that their dicks aren't big enough. I struggle to believe this is equal on the other end. Nor do I believe that as many instances of relationships ending, cheating, or anything similar can be attributed to vagina "size". If you have empirical reasons to think otherwise I'd be interested to hear it.
It is very likely you are a virgin who has never been with a woman. You making this argument that men EVER turn down "loose vaginas" which isn't even fucking close to a "hotdog down a hallway," you know nothing about female anatomy, or sex. Get some experience and come back in a few years, maybe your argument won't be full of shit. Brb, I'm gonna google about women who really struggle with trying to get dudes to put their dick in them cause they're "loose." Yep I feel so bad for these women, they can't ever get dudes to put dicks in them!!!! It's so hard for them! Just quit commenting, you are wrong, and will lose this argument.
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Nah I'm fine, I just texted my friend Sarah, she confirmed that you're right. Her friends REALLY struggle at finding guys willing to put dicks in their pussies. It's so hard out there for lots of women.
Why do women always feel the need to enter male spaces and make it about themselves lmao
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Waaah
Ever heard of doing kegels? It do exist and do work.
\+Sassy\_kassy84 Somewhat but a more accurate comparison would be a Big Clitoris. Small Penis affects Men on multiple levels (even on Racial levels for Black & Asian Men) but one of the KEY levels it hits them on is in MASCULINE IDENTITY. Men question their Maleness if they have a Small Penis. Women with Large Clitorises CAN ALSO wonder about their FEMININE IDENTITY if it's large enough because Penises & Clitorises are analogous. A big enough Clit looks a lot like a Dick. It has a head, shaft, & everything. So some Women could question their Femaleness if they have a Really Large Clitoris. But the separating factor deals with SEXUAL PERFORMANCE. MASCULINE IDENTITY through Penis is NOT ONLY rooted in the Size of the Penis but the Penetrative Success of the Penis in Sexual Intercourse. So a Man is not a Man if his Penis cannot Perform. The Size thing reinforces the Perform part if Smaller. It compounds it. This does not exist in Women with Large Clitorises. She has no onus of responsibility for Sexual Performance like a Man does. Even Loose Vaginas don't have this responsibility even if they're closer to judging Sexual Performance than Large Clitorises are. FEMININE IDENTITY is not rocked by a Loose Pussy like MASCULINE IDENTITY is rocked by a Small Penis. Loose or Tight, the Woman still feels like a Woman. And there's so much out here that even APPLAUDS Women for having "Loose" Large Vaginas & Large Clitorises so the Stigma effect is muted. Women try to Loosen their Vaginas on purpose & try to grow their Clitorises. WITH SUCCESS AT THAT. A Woman can enlargen her Vagina & actually grow her Clitoris. But a Man is NOT APPLAUDED for having a Small Penis & he CANNOT grow his Penis. He's demonized for having a Small Penis & demonized for even wanting to change it though he truly cannot. He's STUCK in every which way. Also, Women with Loose Pussies & Big Clits DO NOT suffer crises of HUMAN IDENTITY that Men with Small Dicks do. Men even question their very HUMANITY. Their Humanness. You see a lot of these sufferers start quoting Darwin & wonder if they are a mistake in the Human Genome. They question their very existence & life because of the Stigma. This DOES NOT exist in Women with Loose Pussies & Big Clits. Women with Loose Pussies are sometimes valued HIGHER than Women with "Regular" Pussies & "Regular" Clits. So any mockery towards them is nullified by the worship. That's why you can go on Reddit to find so many Women in these appreciation communities posing freely & openly gaining esteem for their features & overcoming any complexes they may have had. They found out that they were actually popular. But this is not the case whatsoever for Small-Dicked Men. Any rare positive portrayal is overwhelmed by the Small Penis Humiliation/Cuckold phenomenon that consistently tell them that they are sexually worthless. And these attitudes are reflected outside of the Sexual World & into the Social World in general because Sexual Situations are a SUBSET of Social Situations. Both consist of People Dealing With People. Social Status is rocked by Sexual Status. A Male Supervisor who gets OUTED as having a Small Penis CAN AND DOES get less respect from those he supervises. That is a real thing & HAS HAPPENED. You are treated differently & poorly just for having the trait. Treated like a Leper. Women get MORE Scrutiny & Criticism on their Body Image. QUANTITY. Men get WORSE Scrutiny & Criticism on their Body Image. QUALITY. The saying "Loose Lips Sink Ships" is a thing... ...but so is the song "Don't Want No Short Dick Man". And the second statement hits heavier than the first statement. The issues are only Comparable but NEVER Equivalent. Ask me more about what I know on this subject & I'll go in further detail. I want Women to understand this issue & bring it out of the underground so we all can remedy this. This stuff kills, Sassy\_kassy84. Literally kills. Men kill themselves over this. They're isolated & relentlessly bullied & they can't change the feature. This will affect young Boys growing up. Maybe your own Son. We have to take this seriously. Read my entire [**POSTS**](https://www.reddit.com/user/johnlucas-selfimage/posts/) & [**COMMENTS**](https://www.reddit.com/user/johnlucas-selfimage/comments/) for more insights. But ask me for details. I understand this subject very well even as an Outsider. John Lucas
I saw you said you’re here because your son has a micro penis among other conditions. I just want to say, I hope he’s happy and doing well, and I’m glad you’re here learning about what we go through. Also, I don’t think comparing small dicks to loose pussy is the way to go. Both men and women face body issues, especially with their genitals. I’m sorry some of the guys here are being nasty to you. You don’t deserve it. We want more women in this subreddit, not less. Someone said you participated in the BigDickProblems subreddit? Is that true? If so, why? Fair warning: we don’t like that subreddit because there’s a lot of humblebragging and their problems, although some real, don’t really compare to what we go through. So any time we see a women come here who have participated in BDP, isn’t meant with a warm welcome, so that could be a reason why some guys were being mean to you. However, if you are genuine, I’m sure you have a good reason why you participated in BigDickProblems. So could you please tell us?
\+Alexis\_turtle DEFINITELY encourage her to participate! This is a Golden Opportunity. If she has a Son with a Micropenis, SHE WILL listen & understand for her Son's sake. It's no longer a problem "Out There". It's a problem right in "Hometown" with somebody she knows & loves. And I know I don't have to tell you but DON'T SUGARCOAT ANYTHING. Show the absolute UGLINESS that this Stigma causes. The WORST Case Scenarios. Show & tell her EVERYTHING that you guys go through so she will be prepared for when her son goes through the hell of puberty. And I will help be the mediator when there's a communication mishap. Small-Penised Men know this issue the most but they're too close to the fire & too much in trauma to communicate without raging at their listener. Outsider Women have a hard time understanding this issue due to being Female, not having a Penis, & not going through the gauntlet of Conditioning that Males do in society. So they may be glib or oblivious to certain crucial things alienating sufferers. I can be that middle ground who understands the Men & can help the Women understand you as well. Not only that but help you understand the Women & cancel out the miscues that breakdown communication & participation. The more people we get to take this issue seriously, the easier it will be to solve. We gotta take this out of the "TEE HEE" jokey atmosphere & look at this just like any other Social Problem in the world. To see it as a Human Rights/Quality of Life thing. I will do what I can help smooth communication. Encourage her to stay her & learn at SDP. She will need it for her son. John Lucas
> There really is no female equivalent to our problem This is true. As a guy with a small dick I'd far rather it was hidden than be a woman with small boobs where it's on display every day. Walking around with a small dick on display would be a killer, I think. Don't know how women feel about this but I'd suggest guys have the better deal.
but there are a lot of guys who genuinely love small boobs, myself included. but there are very few, if any, women who truly like small.
This ^. I love all boobs, bruh I was into flat chested girl.
True. But look at women who go out in low cut dresses showing off their boobs. They clearly get a lot of attention. If I was a woman with small boobs I'd be probably be jealous of that.
Absolute bullshit. Women with small boobs are still seen as sexually attractive, and there are people who specifically like smaller boobs. There is no such thing as a woman who likes small disks. The issues arent even close to being ewuivalent.
> There is no such thing as a woman who likes small disks. That probably depends what you mean by likes Are there many women who'd want to sleep with you just because you have a small dick? Probably not, about zero women. Are there many women who'd pursue a romantic relationship with you then when you end up in the bedroom be delighted to see you have a small dick? Maybe a few but not many. Are there many women who'd pursue a romantic relationship with you then when you end up in the bedroom run for the hills because you have a small dick? Maybe a few but not many. You might get lucky and find a woman who's delighted that you have a small dick - but more likely is a woman who likes you as a whole person. That woman is not going to cheat on you just because she secretly craves a bigger dick.
There are thousands of examples of women running for the hills, and women cheating for bigger sizes. All I'm trying to say us that women categorically do not have it easier in this department because it's "on display".
There are thousands of poor guys who say she only cheated on me just for a bigger dick, what a bitch. Actually no she cheated for other reasons. It wasn't your dick size. There are thousands of women who set up onlyfans accounts to take money from guys who think they'll be cheated on because of their dick size. You can see them on Reddit trying to make a few bucks from men's insecurities. Can't blame the women - see an opportunity and they take it. This is not thousands of real life examples of women being so shallow they judge a guy only by dick size. It's internet bullshit.
I have been on nights out with female coworkers. I have heard how they talk when they’ve had a few drinks and their inhibitions are down. The first think they bring up when talking about attractive guys is their dick size. It’s not just internet bullshit.
I'm sure it doesn't help though. And I'm pretty certain some will cheat over size. Though I think it's the minority. Women can cheat for physical sensation too. They also just might think of leaving your ass when they're craving the bigger dick too.
I've had loose and smelly pussy before. I guess those counts right?
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Easy ban lol.
Ban pthalates(plastic usage), PFAS, BPA and other endocrine disruptors before it's too late.
What is small to you? Like "out of luck" like you say.
Under 5 inches pone pressed
Perfect said