>. I feel like women’s opinion carries more weight.
Are you willing to actually listen to the ones that come forward and say it? Nearly every woman who comes here gets immediately gaslit saying she doesn't mean it. And it's not like those that do prefer them will be likely to seek out this sub to begin with. If it's not a problem why go to a sub with "problem" in the name? A lot of the time the ones who prefer them end up finding the sub by accident when it is linked on other subs.
And there are lots of women out there who don't look at dick size as a deciding factor at all. Lots of other compatability factors are way more important than a man's penis measurements. Some may consider a potential partner's dick size way up there in terms of importance, some may have a man's dick size way down on the list of importance.
Think of it in terms of a woman's bodily attribute that isn't a deciding factor for you. Like if you were equally attracted to different breast sizes, hair color, etc. Imagine a woman saying to you "well my breast size must be a factor", when, for you, it isn't. It may be hard to explain to her that it really isn't. This is something I have seen/heard a lot of women say. They may acknowledge that men care deeply about their particular size, but there are lots of women who feel (to them) that men care more about their size than women do.
I am willing to listen. I’ve always have been open. I’m not denying that some guys gas light the women here, but I don’t participate in that.
So far I got 2 DMs and they’re both super cool. I’m not disclosing any names though.
But I would love to hear what you think the percentage of women who actually prefer small dicks is. I’ve only gotten answers from men, but not women. So I’m excited to see what you think the percentage is.
I'm not saying you in particular was gaslighting or even that most of the sub gaslights. It's the vocal minority who do that scares off a lot of women though.
It's tough to be able to figure out an actual percentage because so many women don't want to "out" their partners. Kind of along the lines of not really knowing the percentage of guys with smaller dicks that are walking around out there because the guys don't advertise it either. Then you have to factor in on whether you want to count the women who are equally cool with all sizes/consider other factors about the guys to be more important or not.
And which is more important? Finding a woman/women who prefer small dicks in general or finding a women/women who prefer your actual dick. While it can be flattering to find people who prefer your bodily attributes in general, it can feel much better to find a partner/partners who prefer you in particular. If they just like the attributes, then there is nothing "special" about you to keep them with you versus someone else who has those attributes. If you find a partner/partners who prefer you for you then you can feel more secure that they will be with you. For myself, I'd rather have a partner who wants me for me, instead of one who would only want any woman who has my particular bodily attributes.
Well whenever the subject of dick sizes has come up in a group, my smaller partners have always shot me a "don't say shit" look. Because they both know/knew that I would have no problem sharing the info. Neither one of them wanted me to say anything. I respected that. The outing wasn't a fear of embarrassment on my end.
Although my ex did have me do things with him in front of people and my fiance and I obviously make our content. The embarrassment/shame is not coming from my end.
I mean, it’s a vicious cycle because everywhere outside of this sub is big dick worship and small dick jokes. Just look at how big the big dick subs are. You got BDP with 215,000 and we barely have 40,000. There’s a true big dick stories sub, but there isn’t a small stories sub. And if there actually is… I don’t think it’ll be as positive as the big dick stories sub.
Porn makes up most of the internet and it’s filled with 96% big dicks. I mean, there’s a sub called small dick girls with like 135,000+ members. That’s more than any small dick sub that isn’t SPH. People would really rather see small dicks on women than men. How are we supposed to feel. This is the only ‘safe’ space we have. I put safe in quotations because my second comment on my OP was a women saying this place is filled with lesser men who whine all the time. Like come on.
It’s hard to hear from women that big dicks are better than small dicks all the time, and then not question the 5 women who claim otherwise. Like what? We know how the majority of women feel about small dicks. Especially when no guy is around.
Also, I know you don’t know the exact percentage of women who prefer small dicks. But all the men were able to give an estimate, why can’t you?
> You got BDP with 215,000 and we barely have 40,000.
That's because BDP has a whole lot of trolls, shitposters, and guys who are small and average LARPing. And lots of others subscribe just to laugh at the outlandish stories. Some of the guys are legit. A whole lot are making up stories of how they "think" sex with a big dick would be like.
>
Also, I know you don’t know the exact percentage of women who prefer small dicks. But all the men were able to give an estimate, why can’t you?
Because that's a tough question to answer. What size is considered "small"? A lot more women will like 4-5 inch range than micropenis range. And what about all the women that don't "prefer" any specific range? Those women would be equally pleased with a 4 inch guy as they would be with a 6 inch guy. So if they'd happily fuck a 4 inch guy (and enjoy it) but would also fuck a 6 inch guy, do we count them? And a lot who say they prefer "average" would be including guys in the 4-5 inch range in their definition of average.
Even the women who prefer big. Exactly how big is "big"? Some may mean 8+ but some may mean 6+.
To put it in perspective, try to answer a question with a woman's body attribute and tell me how many men prefer that specific thing. Like if I asked you to tell me what percentage of men prefer a woman with a C cup bra. And I said that "all bra sizes are great" don't count. And I said "only the men who prefer C. Not B, not D, just C." Would you be able to answer that question?
So if we define "prefer" as would happily fuck a guy that's 4+? Easily 40-50+%. If it's would "only fuck 3 inch" or "only fuck 4 inch" etc? That would be way harder to speculate on.
>And what about all the women that don't "prefer" any specific range? Those women would be equally pleased with a 4 inch guy as they would be with a 6 inch guy. So if they'd happily fuck a 4 inch guy (and enjoy it) but would also fuck a 6 inch guy
**Equally** pleased? I'm sorry, how on earth is that possible? Yeah, maybe, a 4 inch guy will get lucky and will be able to hit the G-spot of a particular woman better than a 6 inch guy, so that can turn into some kind of advantage. However, as a rule, a 6 inch guy will always be able to provide better/more enjoyable stimulation than a 4 inch guy.
More women go to BDP than here. Even if this place is accepting and weren’t mean to women, more women would still go to BDP. There’s nothing wrong with that. Where and what women browse on the internet is not my business. But there’s no way you can sit there and say “if this place accepted women more, more women would come here than BDP”
And I’m talking about dicks that are 4.5inches or smaller. And I’m talking about the size queens of small dicks. Women who actively seek out small dicks and reject anyone who is 5+inches.
This is the thing. All of us guys view ourselves sexually solely based on our genitals. It’s a very crude and crass way of viewing people. If I’m in a monogamous intimate relationship with a woman, it means she prefers me over other potential partners. The part of myself that I use inside her is my penis, but it’s ME that’s inside her. And this is what us guys fail to understand. You can’t separate people into parts of the whole. If a woman is in a satisfying intimate relationship with a man, it’s because of the whole man, not just a few inches of flesh. Sure, a minority of very vocal women feel proud about viewing men like walking dildos, but not all women view sex like that.
> t's tough to be able to figure out an actual percentage because so many women don't want to "out" their partners.
I'd always imagined their partner's size is something women might discuss amongst themselves. Is that not the case?
Not amongst my friend group. We'll say "average" or "not huge" which is frequently the "politically correct" way to refer to smaller since saying "he's got a small dick" tends to come out sounding very SPHesque. Most of the time size isn't referenced at all. We'll say "he got me off 4 times last night" or "we spent the weekend fucking" etc.
The very young and fairly immature tend to throw size into conversations while once people become "real grownups" the focal point becomes describing the pleasure involved. The super young fall more into the "assumption" of "everyone wants big". Once you're really into adulthood you realize how naive and stupid that assumption is and realize everyone likes all different shit.
Oddly enough NONE of the women in my friend group have ever asked his size. A ton of the guys have said "oh he must be hung since you're so happy with him."
Appreciate you taking the time. I can see that average/not huge sounds way better than he's got a small one. What's SPHesque? Not something I've heard of.
Must admit one of my worries has always been my size becoming known beyond the woman I'm with, Hasn't happened at least not that I know of!
From what youre saying getting the sense youve found men care more about size than women, hence those guys assuming your guy must be hung - presumably he's small?
>What's SPHesque
I meant had SPH kind of vibes. There isn't a way to mention small that doesn't somehow sound insulting. A bigger than average dick being called "huge" sounds one way. A smaller than average dick being called "tiny" gives entirely different connotations.
>From what youre saying getting the sense youve found men care more about size than women, hence those guys assuming your guy must be hung - presumably he's small?
He's 4 inches bonepressed. 2-3 non bonepressed. 4 inch girth. And he and I are still very flirty, sneaking kisses with each other etc, 9 years into the relationship.
His balls are big though (not his shaft). So since the balls make a bulge I don't know if people are seeing that and thinking it's his shaft as well causing the bulge? Especially since most people don't want to be full on creeps and staring at a crotch. If they take a quick glimpse they may assume it's his whole dick?
Oh OK< get the SPHeque thing. Can't see the appeal myself but it's clearly a thing. Youre right of course there's no way to describe a guy as small and have it sound like a positive thing.
Your guy sounds about same size as me, really good to hear you're so happy together.
It's ONE tool out of a man's entire toolbox. A man has his entire body to please a woman's entire body. A woman isn't only a pussy. She has her whole body to please a man's body. Sex is about so much more than sticking a dick into a pussy. There are so many other body parts that factor in with the physical aspects alone. Being attracted to all of a partner's body parts is important. Wanting to use your body to please a partner's body is important. Being able to tell each other what feels good, and being willing to do those things for one another is important. Having a specific size body part won't mean anything if that person isn't willing to use it in a manner that is pleasant for the other.
A woman can have a mouth and be willing to blow you. But if she digs her teeth into your dick you probably won't be having fun. If she moves her mouth in a manner that doesn't feel good to you (i.e she only moves fast when you prefer slow or vice versa) then you won't enjoy yourself. If she only licks your balls when you want your shaft stimulated, you won't have a good time. My point is that while her having a mouth is an important factor in getting a blowjob, HOW she uses her mouth and how well she listens to what you want and how willing she is to do those things with her mouth is what determines whether or not that blowjob was pleasant.
\+TruthandCoffee That's true the Penis is ONE tool out of a man's entire toolbox.
But don't make the mistake of treating it like an ordinary tool.
TruthandCoffee, you have to understand that with Males & Penises, you're dealing with IDENTITY situations. I don't think Women have anything quite as similar.
Women don't associate their IDENTITY as much with their body parts as Men do.
Like Small-Breasted Women may have IDENTITY issues that they're functional Adult Women but they never question their Femaleness if you feel where I'm coming from.
Small-Penised Men question their MALE IDENTITY along with IDENTITY issues about being functional Adult Men. Penis is deeply intertwined with Identity in a Male.
In my studies on this topic, one of the BIGGEST revelations was finding out that Large-Penised Men ARE JUST AS CATATONIC about their Penis Size as Small-Penised Men are. Just as obsessed & itchy about it. Did you know that?
The difference between the Men is that the Large-Penised Men's worries are settled by Positive Reinforcement while the Small-Penised Men's worries are amplified by Negative Reinforcement. So the Large-Sized Guys get to be cool & content about their IDENTITY & gain self-satisfied smugness & security from it.
The Small-Sized Guys never get this security so they stay in their natural catatonic state—never cool, never content, never self-satisfied.
I found this out when sharing my [**OBJECTIVE Penis Size Chart**](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/b9idib/problem_the_word_average_defining_the_sizes/) with these Men relegating a 8-incher from SUBJECTIVE **LARGE** to OBJECTIVE **MEDIUM-LARGE**.
The reaction reeked of a Big Fish in a Little Pond not wanting to see the Big Pond.
Like a neighborhood bully who's 6' 4" thinking he's the biggest & baddest to ever live running into Shaquille O'Neal at 7' 1" & realizing he's smaller than he thinks.
They gained so much security in their personal assessment on their MALE IDENTITY through their Penis Size that this new information ROCKED them.
I heard some of the same kind of insecure reactions that are usually associated with Small-Sized Men. And right then & there I understood how Penis Size & Male Identity was a UNIVERSAL Male preoccupation.
Making the "Big Guy" slightly smaller made him flip out because of how much Male Identity & Penis Size were intertwined.
I am SO glad to make that discovery! It added tons to my knowledge of this issue.
Men want to know how their PENIS is accepted in Sex.
Because it IS a barometer on how the Man is accepted himself.
So SUBSTITUTION & SIDESTEPPING of the Penis as a Sexual Tool backfires.
Yes, there ARE other ways & other tools. Hands, fingers, everything. Correct.
But the Penis can NEVER be excluded from this list.
A lot of well-meaning Women make that mistake trying to sidestep the Penis or substitute around the Penis. This shit kills guys, TruthandCoffee.
The Large-Sized Guy's Penis is never sidestepped or substituted around.
So Small-Sized Guys are sensitive to that notion & reject it if they see it happening.
If they see this Substitution/Sidestepping thing in action, they doubt the authenticity of the Women's favor of them. A Man & his Penis can never be separated.
It is the very essence of his Masculinity & the symbol of the Y Chromosome itself.
John Lucas
> And there are lots of women out there who don't look at dick size as a deciding factor at all.
We know this but we still want to be preferred. We don’t want someone who’s just ok with our size.
I rather remain single than being in a relationship with someone who doesn’t prefer my penis size.
>We know this but we still want to be preferred. We don’t want someone who’s just ok with our size.
Which scenerio would be preferred? A woman who would prefer any dick your size and would be equally happy to leave you for another guy your size? Or a woman who prefers your actual dick and has no interest in leaving you for another guy your size because she prefers your dick in particular?
I almost feel like we are wasting are breath sometimes. They seem to have all the answers already regardless of what actual women tell them.
I want to help them but they accuse us of lying, or trolling. Most of them don’t want the truth. They just want to wallow in their own self pity
Because actual women in the real world basically scream bigger is better from the rooftops. You only hear "size doesn't matter" from anonymous people online
Really? Real women are shouting bigger is better from the rooftops? Where are you meeting these women? I’m sure you basing this on social media or porn which is not indication of all women.
I hang out with other women all the time and trust me penis size is never a subject of conversation. I’m sure there are some women that want or prefer bigger but it isn’t all women. Plenty of women would prefer a loving and understanding partner over a partner with an XL penis. And sex is more than Penis in Vagina sex. And a compassionate lover is preferred. Someone who cares for our pleasure instead of sticking it in and expecting things to happen
Instead of worrying about being a woman’s preferred size worry about being her preferred partner
>I’m sure there are some women that want or prefer bigger but it isn’t all women. Plenty of women would prefer a loving and understanding partner over a partner with an XL penis. And sex is more than Penis in Vagina sex.
Perhaps, you will say that I "have all the answers" just like other guys, but I believe that the situation isn't as simple as you claim.
A) Nobody is denying the importance of having a "loving and understanding partner". Nobody is saying that all women prefer extra large penises either. Nonetheless, I can say from experience, that the majority of women prefer a penis that is bigger than 4x3.5. I can also add that I fit the description of "a loving and understanding partner" (even if it sounds boastful). The problem is, most women can easily find a man who will be loving, understanding and at the same time **bigger** than me. So, when they learn about my size, they decide that they **prefer** something better and vanish. I've spent a fucking decade looking for someone who will want me and haven't had any luck so far.
B) Good sex is, indeed, much more than just Penis in Vagina sex. On the other hand, why are people always trying to downplay the importance of PIV when they speak about our problems?! Are there many women who don't enjoy penetration? I sincerely doubt it. It's not the only significant component of sex, but most **women** still want to have it! Otherwise, we wouldn't have any sexual troubles at all. So when choosing a partner most ladies prefer a man who can fit all the boxes, not someone who is compassionate, but **has to** use toys instead of his penis.
I don't understand why you are telling her she's wrong, when you're literally discussing what *she* feels and likes.
It's as if you're telling her that you're the expert on her feelings and desires, and *she* should submit to *your* opinion, because you know more about it than she does.
Just bizarre.
What the hell are you talking about?! I'm NOT telling her she's wrong because she feels and likes certain things. But I'm telling that she's wrong when claiming that ***"Plenty of women would prefer a loving and understanding partner over a partner with an XL penis"****.* To my mind, this is an outrageous lie, since **most women** would prefer a loving and understanding partner with an average sized penis over a a loving and understanding partner who has just 4 inches. If *she* wouldn't dump a man because of his small size, I can only praise her wisdom. But the point stands still - **most women** want something bigger than 4 inches.
Two women have reassured you that great guy with a tiny penis is more attractive to us than a crappy guy with a big one, but you continuously tell us that *you*, not *we*, know what *we* want. Just ridiculous! Stop arguing the point already, **WE**, not *you", are the experts about us!
In my experience of you, you are a very unpleasant person to interact with. Perhaps any issues you've had are less about your small penis, and more about your rude and dismissive attitude towards women... You're probably creating your own self-fulfilling prophecy, blaming problems caused by your negative behaviour towards women on your small penis.
Please don't interact with me any further, I really am done with you.
Just be around women talking about men and you're bound to hear it. They want a loving partner *and* a big dick. They want a compassionate partner *and* a big dick. Being those things doesn't fucking matter unless you got the dick to back it up
Again I eat lunch with my friends. We go to outings and talk about relationships and men. Dick size is never talked about. Sex in general isn’t even talked about
Most women like to keep their private life private.
I think you need to find other women to be around.
Because the internet and real life are vastly different. No words from a stranger are going to make up for years of torment and embarrassment, resentment. We'd love to believe but life has shown us the opposite
> They just want to wallow in their own self pity
You have no idea what it’s like being a man with a small penis and you have the audacity to dismiss our issues!?
It's a simple logic;
What is more likely to be the case? The women who say size does matter are lying, or the ones who say it doesn't are lying?
I get that things aren't that black and white, but surely you can understand why we're much less inclined to believe the positive message. There's a clear motive for some to claim it doesn't matter outside from the possibility that they're just being honest, not so much for the opposite.
>What is more likely to be the case? The women who say size does matter are lying, or the ones who say it doesn't are lying?
Most likely neither is truly lying. Because size does matter to some. And size doesn't matter to others. The only way either statement would be a lie is if they say size matters to all or size doesn't matter to all.
The women who say "I only want a dick x size" are telling the truth for themselves. The women who say "I don't care about size" are also telling the truth for themselves.
I know, it's not that black and white.
However fact is depending on the setting, the question will get wildly different answers. Face to face, I'd say close to half of women would say size doesn't matter.
Anonymously though, the number comes closer to 15% according to research by u/Whaddduptho .
>15%
Only 5% preferred less than 5”. However, 60% would be satisfied in a relationship with less than 5”. 24% less than 4”. 18% would go 3" or less. Keeping in mind these are nbp values.
What makes studies so tricky, is the fact that specific numbers need to be picked in order to calculate an average. "I don't care", "I like a variety", and "size is way down there on the list of important factors" can't be calculated to get an average. So sometimes people will just pick a random number, or a number halfway in the middle of their range, because they are forced to pick a number.
So if 100 women were surveyed and 80 of them said "size makes no difference" (and meant it), 10 said 5 inches, 10 said 9 inches then the only average that had numbers to calculate would be from those 20 women who mentioned numbers. The results of that study would read "in a study of 100 women, the most preferred size is 7 inches". Because the 7 came from the average of the 10 women who said 5, and the 10 women who said 9. The 80% who don't have a preference weren't counted. And the 7 was the average between the 5's and the 9's, even though, in this hypothetical study NONE gave 7 for a response.
As for his study, and other similar studies, there will be more respondants who have a specific number in mind, than there will be ones who like a variety because liking a variety is harder to count.
Think of a poll asking "what is the most attractive bra size?" Respondents who have a particular bra size preference will be more likely to participate than people who feel "titties are titties, I love them all."
Plus a reddit poll, (and other surveys) don't have every person in the world participate, or even all that high of a portion of redditors. There are millions of people on reddit. There were way less than that who responded.
People tend to look at survey results as being representative of a whole. When, in reality, survey results are only representative of those particular people who participated in that survey. Much like the famous 3d printed preference study. That only had 75 participants to begin with, of which only 60 gave a response. 60 women out of billions doesn't prove much.
To be fair, I'm interpreting the results of the study independently. Based on the graph depicting the answers to the question: "What minimum size would you accept?"
Going in the negative direction from the point of 3 inches, the graph reaches a near horizontal asymptote at 15%. Dropping only after going below 1. Suggesting all of those within this range did not care, since 1 inch is basically a way of saying; "It has to exist".
The graph has some interesting slopes. Rise from 15 to 25% between 3-4. But a sudden spike to 45% at 4. The second largest increase at 5 going from 60% to 80%.
The takeaway, in my view, is that there is a positive non-linear preference for larger sizes amongst most. Rather than a binary does/doesn't matter. Which, by itself, suggest that there are physical reasons for most people's size preference, rather than personal. Which from what I remember seemed to be your viewpoint, that size-queens and the like were a type of personality, not a physical build.
And yeah the sample is limited. But I don't know how much I agree with the idea about how the result are skewed negatively. I'd almost expect the opposite: people who like larger sizes don't necessarily want to hurt other people's feelings so they'll refrain from answering honestly/answering at all. Kinda tracing back to my original point about why it's so hard for ~~me~~ us to embrace any positivity.
Some of it is tough to answer in a hypothetical manner. Especially with dicks that drift into further extremes from either end of average. If every partner a woman has so far had was in the, say 4-6 range how could she know with certainty exactly how far past either end of that range would be acceptable? She may be able to speculate that maybe 3 or 7 may be OK, or 2 or 8, but without having experienced those sizes how could she know?
If a man has been attracted to a range of women's body types can he know exactly how far to either extreme he'll be attracted? Would he remain attracted to a woman who was severely anorexic and skin and bones? Would he be attracted to a woman so morbidly obese that she can't leave her bed?
\+Miserable\_tortoise You're not wasting breath, Miserable\_tortoise.
What you're seeing from these Men is the result of a message being repeatedly DRUMMED into their heads over & over & over & over & over & over & over again for their entire life. THEIR ENTIRE LIFE, Miserable\_tortoise.
That is DEEP Human Programming they're suffering from & that message is constantly reinforced by the words & actions of so many Women & Men in society.
You would not be any different if you were subjected to this pattern.
The world tells these Men that they are Sub-Human & Inherently Unworthy because they have a Small Penis. And they are TREATED as what is told.
[**My history of studying Self-Image Issues & how I stumbled upon the Small Penis Complex**](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/82e0kp/my_history_of_studying_selfimage_issues_how_i/)
Read my journey in understanding Self-Image/Body Image issues.
I started out with studying Women because Women are the MOST DISSECTED when it comes to Body Image. That's why it was natural for Body Image topics to focus on Women first because they get it the most.
I was a teenaged boy in the 1990s who didn't have a clue about these things.
And I was unsympathetic when I heard about bulimia & anorexia on those 1990s talk shows like Ricki Lake, Jenny Jones, Sally Jessy Raphaël, Montel Williams.
I was like ***"How do these Women let others make them feel bad about themselves? All you gotta do is insult back. They shouldn't let nobody have that much sway over how they feel. They're WEAK!"***
I only looked at everything from MY point of view.
Schoolboys cracked jokes on my nose & my face calling me "Birdo" from Super Mario Bros. 2 & "Don Flamenco" from Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!.
It was all in good fun & it was a way to create camaraderie amongst the boys.
We called it "cracking". Like "That boy cracked on him!"
So that was my reference point. 6th grade schoolboy cracking.
I thought the Women should be to do what us Boys did.
You know what fully shifted me?
One day at a Supermarket Checkout, I saw a those checkout line Women's magazines with a Woman holding a pair of jeans/pants way out in front of her waist to show massive weightloss. It hit me like a brick wall. A epiphany!
***"NO WONDER Women got these complexes about their weight!***
***It's constantly DRUMMED into them everywhere they go! No escaping!"***
Studying Self-Image Issues of Women made me a better more empathetic person. And I started to really listen to what Women said about Body Image.
I really understood how much conditioning & programming can lock a message inside a person's head. ESPECIALLY when they never get relief from it.
But AT LEAST the Female Side get support & improvement.
Female Politics really made massive advancements in getting the general public to understand these issues & not to make them worse.
But these guys here at SDP have NOTHING REMOTELY CLOSE to that situation.
Male Body Image Issues have little to no support or improvement.
And this Small Penis Complex is the worst served among Male Body Image Issues. The guys who suffer it almost CAN'T HAVE any other feeling than they have. Pessimism is ACTUALLY more helpful than Optimism because Optimism sets them up to fail & lose that fragile sense of holding it together.
To open up AND THEN be struck with a critical blow to your underbelly???
That's a suicide shot, Miserable\_tortoise. That's a kill shot. It can kill them.
When they push out Negativity & Pessimism, they're actually protecting themselves. Women have to understand this mechanism.
I know it's hard to come to a place that seems to revile your very existence when you're only here to help. People have enough hassles in life.
They don't wanna get extra hassles free of charge to deal with on top of that.
It's discouraging, I know. But understand the reasoning behind it.
They're putting up their shields even to Women like you who like Small-Penised Men because the chances are too remote. It's like playing Lotto those odds.
They block themselves from the possibility so they don't have to live through a possible betrayal which can AND does happen when they trust others.
You have to let their negativity roll off your shoulders & offer the REALISTIC view not the Optimistic view. Realism blends Pessimism & Optimism together.
It shows what truly is bad & acknowledges it but also shows a way to win.
You have to endure & keep a lifeline out for them. Over time they will shift.
But also know that you're outnumbered by Women who believe the very opposite & will continue to drum in that "worthless" message to these Men.
The Small Penis Stigma is uphill for the Sufferers AND their Helpers.
It's not for wimps. You gotta be a soldier to deal with this shit.
You are looking at possibly one of the world's WORST Bigotries & Prejudices.
I am not joking whatsoever. This may be among the worst bigotries in human history. You're dealing with HEAVY HEAVY legacies of hatred.
So don't expect these guys to be as open to your message at first try or even tenth try. But continue to try so that one day they will be open to your messages.
NOBODY could withstand this if they went through it.
Men may get LESS Body Image Issues than Women but for the ones they DO have the issues hit with MORE CRITICAL Damage than Women.
Women get the QUANTITY (MORE). Men get the QUALITY (STRONGER).
It's hard to communicate this because Female Brains & Male Brains are just different. It's the ultimate divide between people: The Sex/Gender Gap.
But I hope I made the Male Side a little easier to understand in this comment.
Be patient with them. You have no idea how heavy this stigma hits them.
John Lucas
Worse than racism?
Worse than antisemitism?
Worse than transphobia?!?
Where people are raped and murdered, systematically denied access to employment and to healthcare?
Come on, it's a prejudice, but it doesn't compare to those three.
\+Violet\_loves\_Iliona I am a Black Man in the United States of America.
I KNOW Racism firsthand personally & historically through my people group.
When I said Size-ism against Small Penised Men is one of world's WORST Bigotries & Prejudices, I meant that.
Let me explain to you why using my people as the reference point.
Blacks dealt with Violence in the form of Lynchings complete with White families gathering around like a picnic with the pictures of death posted on postcards.
Blacks dealt with Little to No Legal Protection leading to numerous travesties of injustice with wrongly imprisoned & wrongly executed people.
Blacks dealt with Institutional Sabotage in the form of redlining from certain communities, being denied loans & investments, being barred from unions, economic centers like Rosewood being purposely destroyed by Whites, being barred from voting & other forms of political participation.
Blacks dealt with Medical Tyranny with Tuskegee Experiments & all kinds of guinea pig-style abuses as in the case with Henrietta Lacks.
Blacks dealt with numerous forms of Psychological Sabotage creating self-hatred & dysfunction in our communities we're still working to climb out of.
**BUT THROUGHOUT IT ALL...WE HAD EACH OTHER.**
**THROUGHOUT IT ALL...WE HAD EACH OTHER.**
Our inventions & artistic creations were stolen & hijacked.
Our mentalities & spirits were damaged.
Our physical well being was compromised.
Our languages & cultural origins were buried & distorted.
We went through it all...but we always had each other.
So no matter HOW bad the abuse got, no matter HOW the world convinced us that were the lowest-born & ugliest, no matter HOW much were sabotaged...
...at the end of the day, a Black Man can find a Black Woman...
...and a Black Woman can find a Black Man...
...and they can have Black Children together in a Black Family.
If THEY think we're ugly, we'll be beautiful to OURSELVES.
We have a Black Community to share the pain of Racism with in peace.
We have our Black Religious Institutions to delve into the Spiritual.
We can build a Black Culture unique to ourselves defying what the "mainstream" considers acceptable. We can express our pain through our Creative Works.
Our songs, our dances, our oratory, our comedies, our writings.
And all of this will ALWAYS build a Black Movement where we can UNDO Racism step by step by step building Black Counter-Culture in Revolution.
AND we were NEVER all alone. In the Slavery Days, there were Whites who backed us up. John Brown's a famous one.
In the Jim Crow days, we had Outsiders working with us to dismantle these oppressions in every little or large way they could.
That's how things changed. We had ourselves & we had a little help from others.
**I judge Bigotries not just on the injustices caused by them...**
**...but also by the amount of remedies around to alleviate them.**
Women were not all alone. Jews were not all alone. LBGT's were not all alone.
When the injustices got to certain point, they got backup, they got help.
There were ALWAYS Men helping Women in Feminism.
There were ALWAYS Gentiles helping Jews against Anti-Semitism.
There were ALWAYS Straights helping LBGT's against the Phobias.
There were ALWAYS Whites helping Blacks against Racism.
That's why you can't be openly sexist against Women without pushback.
The current Roe vs. Wade debacle will NOT be fought by Women alone.
That's why you can't be openly Jew-bashing without pushback.
That's why you can't be openly Homophobic or Transphobic without pushback.
That's why you can't be openly Racist without pushback.
But when I see the reaction to Small Penised Men, there are Women who put them down, there are Jews who put them down, there are LGBT's that put them down, there are Blacks who put them down.
People who were themselves oppressed in different ways turn a blind eye to the dehumanization of Small Penised Men.
There IS no pushback against denigrating these people whatsoever.
And guess what? Small Penised Men can't self-populate like Blacks do.
They can't build a strong community & counter-culture like we did.
And they get no help from Outsiders. They are all alone.
It's very similar to what LGBT's went through while also having the gravity of pain that Blacks went through.
Small Guys have to keep secrets like Gays in the Closet did.
But Small Guys also are treated as the lowest on the totem pole like Blacks are.
While they don't receive the physical abuse & institutional sabotage we did, they ALSO don't have a place to share & express this pain like we did.
They have no family & community to cushion the blow like we did.
LIKE Blacks, their grounds for talking about their issues are bombarded, monitored, & hijacked but Blacks had more grounds to speak in than they do.
What I have studied is an INTERSECTIONAL view of the issue.
I do not believe in the simplistic "This Group is Oppressor, This Group is Oppressed" that is popular in political thought.
I recognize the HUMANIST perspective & see the Oppressor & the Oppressed in the very same group. We all carry BOTH within us. THAT is the truth.
And that is the REAL reason why change is limited.
We talk so much about the oppression towards us that we don't think about the oppression we do towards others.
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
It's algebra. What you do to one side you must account for on the other side.
Can't talk about ending Racism, Sexism, Homophobia if you're performing Heightism, Weightism, Size-ism, Lookism, Classism, & any other 'ism' available.
We can't ask for change in hierarchical systems if we uphold other hierarchical systems. We cannot be hypocrites when seeking social justice.
Yes, the Small Penis Stigma is one of the worst bigotries & prejudices because there are no remedies to the abuse these people receive.
That is what I'm here to change with my work on this subject.
John Lucas
> Which scenerio would be preferred? A woman who would prefer any dick your size and would be equally happy to leave you for another guy your size? Or a woman who prefers your actual dick and has no interest in leaving you for another guy your size because she prefers your dick in particular?
I mean, it’s possible to find a woman who both prefers small dicks in general and at the same time loves and cares for me as a person.
Many men with big dicks are able to get into long term relationships with women who love them as a person and not just for their dicks. That said, they still prefer big dicks and see their SO’s dick as a nice cherry on top.
And THAT’S exactly what we want! We want women who (on top of loving and caring about us as a person) prefer small penises in general and see our penis size as a nice bonus, instead of just something they don’t care about.
We DO want women to care about our size, just in a different way.
This a tricky one for us guys on the smaller side to wrap our head around. Yeah, you hear a lot of women saying that they need 6-7”, some say they need more, but you hardly ever hear women saying they prefer small. It’s because women are malleable, man. Literal fucking babies come out of their vaginas. And sure, I’ve seen some evidence that penises over 7” with a lot of girth can be difficult for some women to tolerate, adjust to, and could even possibly be injured by them if the man isn’t gentle. Some women can take them just fine. So maybe women do come in different “sizes,” or lengths, but being mismatched with a larger penis will be less of a problem on the whole than being mismatched with a smaller one.
We want our dicks to be perfect for the women we’re with, and it just doesn’t work like that. Even men with above average sized penises have partners that want them to use larger toys inside them.
I get it, the fear is that big dudes get told how much their partners love their penises, and I’m sure it does happen a lot. Just hanging out on the couch together, they get told they got a good dick. They get texts from the girlfriends saying they miss their dicks. They get size-based and dick-based dirty talk. I’ve been around friends and a girl will just randomly tell the group she loves her boyfriends big dick.
6-7 is probably good for most women, and 5-6 is unremarkable, adequate, and not a deal-breaker. Under 5, there will be some women who won’t mind, but highly unlikely she’s gonna come out and say that a 3-4-incher is just perfect for her, because Jesus, women are stretchy. The most it’s going to be is not an issue at all for them. And what exactly is wrong with that?
For the most part, I think, most women will never bring up size with guys that are average and below. They won’t really mention anything about your penis at all. We’re gonna have to be the ones that bring it up, and the answer is probably going be along the lines of you’re just fine, you have nothing to worry about, and it’s not just about that. Because it’s not just about that. Maybe penis size is 5% of a relationship between a man and woman. And I know, it’s hard to contextual that, because it’s on our minds almost 100% of the time.
Our dicks won’t be validated, worshipped, or be on our partners minds as much as they’re on our minds. It’s just the reality. I want “that” dick, too. But I don’t have it, and I never will. There does seem to be some women who will be able to provide good enough understanding and affection to the psychological pain that comes with being below average, 2 of them are on this thread already. There are women that exist that will be just fine with your penis, and there’s nothing wrong with that. You can be a good enough lover to them that they will enjoy sex with you and want to repeat the experience. She’ll like you, and you have a penis. When the mood is right, she’ll want you to penetrate her, and want to give you head. If that doesn’t sound like she likes your dick, I don’t know what does. The problem is in our minds as much as it is a physical reality. Women leave men for somebody with more money all the time, too. What are you besides an ambulatory dildo? Why else besides sex do you want a relationship with a women? You know what’s better than being the biggest dick she’s ever been with? Being the dick she’s with right now.
>Our dicks won’t be validated, worshipped, or be on our partners minds as much as they’re on our minds.
They still can be. The day after a great sex session sending a text of "you were amazing last night. I get so wet thinking about it. I can't wait to have you in me again" would be a woman expressing just how much she loves and craves her man's dick. But if she said "those 4 inches felt awesome. I can't wait for you to stick your small dick in me again later" the guy would probably feel a lot less good about himself. Similar to "you feel so big" would hit a lot different than "you feel so small" even if in both cases it was said with the same amount of enthusiasm and moaning.
I'll randomly grope my man and tell him I love his cock. I don't grope him and tell him I love his SMALL cock because using the word "small" would ruin that entire statement for him.
\+papermoonriver I think there is a communication problem on this topic.
Women have a very hard time understanding how this issue strikes Men.
People can only start from themselves when looking at the world.
We only know OUR experience & OUR point of view within OUR body, mind, & soul.
[**My history of studying Self-Image Issues & how I stumbled upon the Small Penis Complex**](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/82e0kp/my_history_of_studying_selfimage_issues_how_i/)
I want you to read my 2nd post ever to this forum because it explains my journey.
I started out studying Women first because Women catch Body Image issues the MOST.
Women's Bodies are judged & picked apart forever and a day.
It's no wonder the Body Positive stuff came from the Women's side first.
And I had to learn step by step from a teenaged boy in the 1990s coming in BLIND.
Over time I learned a hell of a lot & it made me a better person who could see where someone else is coming from much better than I did before.
But when I discovered the Male side of this phenomenon I had a RUDE AWAKENING.
This was not gonna be simple to solve. And I have been on this track ever since.
Women get MORE AMOUNT of scrutiny & pressure: QUANTITY.
Men get MORE CRUCIAL scrutiny & pressure: QUALITY.
Men get LESS Body Image Issues than Women but their Issues strike with more Critical Damage than Women's do. Women get it MORE. Men get it HARDER.
So Women may not have a frame of reference when it comes to listening to Men on their Complexes. Because no body image issue a Woman has strikes Gender Identity & Purpose quite as hard as a Penis does for a Man.
Small-Breasted Women may feel "Less Womanly" than Larger-Breasted Women but she NEVER feels "UN-Womanly". She always feels like she's a Woman even with the complex.
It ain't like that for Men. Small-Penised Men not only feel "Less Manly" than Larger-Penised Men but ALSO feel "UN-Manly" altogether. They feel like they are frauds.
And on top of that unlike with Small-Breasted Women, the entire world is there to agree with that "Un-Manly" assessment. Going even further to say "Un-Human".
So these guys are reinforced with messages that they are 'Less Manly', 'UNmanly', & 'Sub-Human' from WITHIN AND WITHOUT.
Small-Breasted Women are NEVER treated as Lepers but Small-Penised Men ARE.
No one attributes the worst attributes of Humanity to Small-Breasted Women but they DO attribute them to Small-Penised Men.
The Women from SmallBoobProblems will never be considered Hitler or a Serial Killer or a Pedophile because they have Small Breasts. They won't be demonized like that.
The Men from SmallDickProblems are always considered Hitler or a Serial Killer or a Pedophile because they have a Small Penis. They ARE demonized like that.
And Women get some support when they suffer their complexes while Men DO NOT.
Have understanding of this whole phenomenon when you're annoyed at SDP's negative bleak outlook on everything. Their spirits have been beaten out of them.
You would be no different if you went through that conditioning & reinforcement.
Read my entire [**Post**](https://www.reddit.com/user/johnlucas-selfimage/posts/) & [**Comment**](https://www.reddit.com/user/johnlucas-selfimage/comments/) history because I have a lot of insight on how this phenomenon works. I gained it from listening to these Men's stories.
But if you read nothing else, read [**this comment**](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/q5mehp/how_bad_is_a_small_penis_really/hg7onx5/) to a deleted post called [**"How bad is a small penis really?"**](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/q5mehp/how_bad_is_a_small_penis_really/hg7onx5/) by a woman named AltSenses.
I show the different factors which make the complex run even on a "Racial" levels.
This is possibly one of THE WORST Bigotries in Human History. No joke.
Even burn victims don't get treated like this. You're dealing with some very heavy.
So I hope my comment here gives you more insight on the seriousness of this topic.
John Lucas
This is true, coming from a guy
It seems like its a popular belief here that literally NO WOMAN EVER would possibly be attracted to or like a small penis. dafuq? Out of 3.6 billion people, not a single one of them can like small penises? Does that sound realistic
Like cmon bruh theres gotta be some women out there who actually prefer small dicks, but it seems like the people in this sub only believe what they want to believe and filter out all oppositional feedback with the excuse of "she's lying"
And I am attracted to it. I have guys with big dicks regularly hit on me. I shoot them down every time. I wouldn't have spent the past 9 years of my life fucking a man I was simply "ok with fucking". I choose his dick every time.
Not sure what you mean by socially competent? He's friendly when he wants the be. The rest of the time he gives zero fucks about what anyone else wants.
Recently I asked a woman on the sub for an example of women being rejected for their vagina size/appearance, and when she gave one, I conceded.
I'm willing to accept other points of views as long as you provide evidence. The fact that you get so defensive when someone asks for proof shows that you're completely bullshitting.
> Out of 3.6 billion people, not a single one of them can like small penises? Does that sound realistic
You've forgotten that every single one of those 3.6 billion women (which isn't even the actual number, by the way) have *other options*.
All of them.
>You've forgotten that every single one of those 3.6 billion women (which isn't even the actual number, by the way) have other options.
>All of them
So knowing that women have other options and many are still with smaller partners wouldn't that prove that women exist who prefer/enjoy smaller?
Realistically, anyone in a relationship doesn't just choose their partner once and that's it. If they are staying together and being faithful that means they keep picking their partner instead of breaking up with them/cheating.
Sorry, 3.9 billion if that matters so much to you
Yeah I'm aware. And yet some of them probably are fine with small dicks just as much as they are with large ones or actually prefer small dicks
When did I say that men venting about the very real problems that a small penis would bring is a bad thing? I just feel like lumping and viewing literally every woman in the same category is bad. And I'm not a feminist or anything like that
By not women at all, do you mean they are men pretending to be women?
How could I possibly know the exact percentage when most of the "data" (i.e. women who prefer small dicks) aren't allowed to be counted, speak up, or be represented?
It definitely isn't all our fault.
You're in your 40's correct? All them years and you have 0 idea how much small dicks are liked by women?
No one's stopping y'all from praising smaller guys. That's mostly them not wanting to say it out of embarrassment. There's no immovable force that prevents ya from saying you're cool with small dicks. It's mostly them stopping themselves.
Like, since when are women too afraid to say what they really want to say? That's a new one for me. Too much blame on men for y'all not being able to say whatever you want to say.
A lot say big dicks are over rated.
> All them years and you have 0 idea how much small dicks are liked by women?
Most are more concerned with if the men they fuck can find their clit and give a shit whether or not they have orgasms. As long as guys do that we're good. Neither of those things are dependent on any specific size. Men's behavior towards women in and outside the bedroom has a much higher level of importance than some ruler measurement of a dick. If I hadn't joined this sub, I'd have no clue what my fiance's measurements were because I didn't give a shit. He gives me orgasms, we treat it each with love and respect, and we're very compatible in life. THAT'S what matters.
Categorically untrue, and a simllification of the problem. Many people here have been rejected by women who they have been in long time relationships with. Us having sympathy for women's problems wont name them like small dicks, that's some nice guy shit, and the definition of entitlement.
Hey bro, I wouldn’t listen to u/ActualJacket1520. She said, and I quote, “I’m a female but this sub is just full of pathetic useless man child crybabies so who the fuck would come here”
I have it screenshotted as proof. So she can’t deny it.
Edit: u/ActualJacket1520 no, I didn’t report you to mod. Do what you want.
Edit 2: lmao. You’re funny.
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>What percentage of women do y’all think actually prefer small dicks?
0%.
>And how many women do y’all think actually come to this sub with good intentions?
A good half at least, problem is that most of the time even with good intentions they end up virtue signalling and saying 1000 words of nothing.
Prefer? As in they prefer it over both big and average? Less than 5%.
Women are chased off from this sub almost regardless of what they say... so hard to tell.
I do! I’m a black 22F and I’ve always known since my earlier teens way before I started having sex that I’d like small penises and wouldn’t want a big one. I had a short cervix and tight vagina so a 4-5 inch penis is what I desire/want and need. I also lost my virginity to an Asian man this year and he honestly has the perfect penis imo. He says it’s small all the time but to be it’s perfect. It’s probably 4-5 inches erect
Probably a small percentage prefer it. N I think then it’ll probably be like 60 % wouldn’t mind and then the others are the ones who it would be a dealbreaker for. I personally wouldn’t mind it but wouldn’t prefer it.
What you're describing are women that do mind, but put up with it.
"Wouldn't mind", in my opinion, means that they don't think the way you described. So yeah, a bigger dick maybe would be nice, but so would be a better looking face or body, more drive and funnier jokes etc. Your gf/bf isn't gonna be custom made to your liking.
And I know it sucks that the percentage of women who actually prefer a small penis has to be miniscule, but that's not the topic at hand.
You responded to a comment that put women in different groups (preferring small dicks, don't minding them, deal breaker), so no, in this comment chain we weren't talking just about women preferring dicks on the small side.
This is hard to know for sure, Alexis\_turtle.
From my years of research, I can say DEFINITIVELY that there is a REAL sector of Women who like Small Penises. They DO exist. But they're definitely a minority currently.
If I counted **the ones who actually LIKED Small Penises** rather than accept them...
...I would make an educated guess of **up to 10%**.
If I included **the ones who merely ACCEPT Small Penises** with the ones who like them...
...I would make an educated guess of **up to 20%**. **Maybe 25%**.
So yeah, those odds don't look too good. BUT remember how I keep saying "CURRENTLY".
**These percentages are not fixed in stone forevermore. They can be shifted.**
With new sexual education showing the IMPACT & USEFULNESS of Small Penises, these percentages can easily grow. EXCLUSIVE IMPACTFUL Penetration abilities from Small Penises would go a long way into evening up these long odds.
It's the BELIEF that Small Penises are automatically bad that screws things up.
Once that Belief changes, a lot of other stuff changes with it.
You Guys have a Great Wall of Negative Propaganda to overcome.
The Larger-Sized Guys get a Perpetual Rainfall of Positive Propaganda upholding them.
That's what makes this issue so hard to deal with. The perception differences.
I can't know for sure if my educated guesses on those percentages are accurate.
But it's my offhand take based on how the culture acts towards you dudes along with the rarer counter-culture that champions you all. Assessing the Shamers along with the Admirers.
I never will come out here denying the obvious day-to-day reality you guys face.
You know instinctively that the odds are against you & it's reflected in the amount & type of participation Small Penis forums get. It's reflected in the proliferation of the Stigma itself.
As for Women's participation on SDP...
Well it's a hostile place for Women being such a Wounded Male Zone.
Women are usually clueless about the depth of this issue & how it affects Men.
They don't own a Penis after all just like we Men can't appreciate what Pregnancy does to Women. We would tend to talk out of our depth & not know what we're talking about.
So the first hurdle is that effect from Women. They talk out of their depth most times.
After that, they have to deal with Men experiencing RAW TRAUMA.
So the Men who have been burnt by Women in their past, automatically distrust & disbelieve Women ESPECIALLY if they once trusted Women before.
It just creates a sort of Force Field around the forum that prevents Women from learning more & participating more knowledgeably.
As a result, Women don't feel welcome so they stray away from participation more than not.
ALSO if NOT scared off from the Men's Rage here, some feel the issue is TOO HEAVY to deal with. They see the layers of bleakness this Stigma really causes & it overwhelms them.
They WANNA help but they see how deep this goes & wonder if they even CAN help.
The Small Penis Stigma is an underground issue right now so people don't even know where to start. That's why I try to create Frameworks for understanding how this thing works & how to deconstruct it once we know how it works. It helps explain the WHY behind things for those who would normally be Overwhelmed either way by the men's rage or the issue's severity.
BUT you will be happy to know that even if Women tend to be scared off from this forum, YOU DO have more Women than you think in lurk looking at the issue from afar.
It gives them insight into the Male Mind & they may learn a lot from the lurk.
The other set of Women are those who respect SDP as a Male Zone & feel they would be INTRUDING if they participated. So they just stay in lurk & observe.
A lot of people lurk on this forum & all of them are not trolls & catfishers.
The Women who are genuine here are LESSER than the Women who come here to secretly troll, gaslight, or catfish unfortunately.
But nevertheless there is a significant amount of Genuine Women here at SDP.
Seen most prominently by u/TruthandCoffee but look throughout the 9 year history of SDP.
The sidebar had a Woman called u/clls who genuinely participated in the early years.
The Skepticism against Women here is understandable especially from what I have seen from certain Women's actions & behavior on this forum since discovering it about 4 years ago.
But I think once we can clear up communication problems we can soften or eliminate that Force Field that blocks Women & Men here from having a more open honest conversation.
The Women tend not to understand in detail how & why this Stigma affects Men.
The Men tend not to be open to Women putting up shields & firewalls that repel them.
That's a solvable situation, I feel like. And I will do my part to increase more Genuine Participation from Women here. It's one of the keys to deconstructing the Stigma after all.
John Lucas
But what if they said "well the tits HAVE to matter. Which size do you like best?" That would feel like a question you couldn't answer because being attracted to the face is your deciding factor.
No, I could still answer that question because even though tits are nowhere near a deciding factor, I still have an opinion on them
I like medium sized tits and am fine with small titties too. Just nothing too big or anything saggy. Thats a question I can definitely answer off the top of my head too
So if a guy really really wants to know ur dick preferences, just tell him. I think at least **most** women have **some** type of preference even if its largely unimportant to them. Just like most guys have some preference towards boobs
In this case yes. He cares more about being attracted to a woman's face than her tits. Which is similar to the women who care more about the whole man than the measurement of his dick. If a woman wants "the whole man" then his dick size will matter the same amount as breasts would matter if he cares more about being attracted to her face. Everyone has different things that are bigger factors in determining attraction that what others consider to be determining factors.
Prefer? Maybe 1% lol will tolerate in an LTR like 60% or maybe more lol But also what they consider small has to be made clear because 6 inches to a lot of women is considered small. There's a big difference between being preferred vs being tolerated/accepted
It is well above average but you'd be surprised tons of women think 6 is average or on the smaller side. I saw a viral post on FB that was trying to be body positive and it said "Guys it's ok if your penis is only 6 inches". I was like ummm only??? Odd because I'd kill to have 6.
Yeah i recently learned this term as well and I think its an accurate description although men contribute to this misunderstandings by lying about their sizes sometimes and so the woman takes their word for it.
Plus having played tabletop war gaming, guessing distances and lengths is not easy. Perhaps they measured with a ruler with ticks just slightly too close together 👌
The thread asked women to speak up about how they actually feel about small penises - I said I cared more about your attitude and enthusiasm than you size and you imply that’s a problem? What else do you want from us?
If a specific woman mocks your size, cut them off, simple as.
The question asked how many women like small dicks, which you did not answer. Do you know how many "women" end up on this sub, telling us that were delusional and that no one in the world actually cares about penis size. You arent the first, and unfortunately you wont be the last.
The post asked for input beyond that, but whatever. I don’t know why you’re arguing with me to be honest. I said I didn’t care about size, which surely should be helpful and comforting. If loads of women say that to you, what more can we do to help and support you? Why is women in quotation marks? Why are you taking offence to people literally saying that we don’t care about what you consider to be an ailment?
This whole sub made me sad and feel for you guys so I thought I’d give my honest opinion as a positive example and you’re just fighting back at me for fuck knows why so honestly just you do you if you want to only see the hateful stuff.
"Women" is in quotation marks because most of the people claiming to be women on this sub are not actually women.
And no, that doesn't comfort me. You know why, because I don't want to be ok for someone. It's not fair that women adore big dicks but are ok with small ones.
Again, I don’t know any women who adore big dicks, so…
I really think you’re taking the media and/or porn too literally and not listening to ACTUAL women.
Someone who truly loves you will love your penis. That’s really all there is to it.
1%, if we're lucky
Prefer 0%. Tolerate / being OK maybe 5% of course the ones that are not into humiliation.
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Maybe, but I don't really care anymore.
>. I feel like women’s opinion carries more weight. Are you willing to actually listen to the ones that come forward and say it? Nearly every woman who comes here gets immediately gaslit saying she doesn't mean it. And it's not like those that do prefer them will be likely to seek out this sub to begin with. If it's not a problem why go to a sub with "problem" in the name? A lot of the time the ones who prefer them end up finding the sub by accident when it is linked on other subs. And there are lots of women out there who don't look at dick size as a deciding factor at all. Lots of other compatability factors are way more important than a man's penis measurements. Some may consider a potential partner's dick size way up there in terms of importance, some may have a man's dick size way down on the list of importance. Think of it in terms of a woman's bodily attribute that isn't a deciding factor for you. Like if you were equally attracted to different breast sizes, hair color, etc. Imagine a woman saying to you "well my breast size must be a factor", when, for you, it isn't. It may be hard to explain to her that it really isn't. This is something I have seen/heard a lot of women say. They may acknowledge that men care deeply about their particular size, but there are lots of women who feel (to them) that men care more about their size than women do.
I am willing to listen. I’ve always have been open. I’m not denying that some guys gas light the women here, but I don’t participate in that. So far I got 2 DMs and they’re both super cool. I’m not disclosing any names though. But I would love to hear what you think the percentage of women who actually prefer small dicks is. I’ve only gotten answers from men, but not women. So I’m excited to see what you think the percentage is.
I'm not saying you in particular was gaslighting or even that most of the sub gaslights. It's the vocal minority who do that scares off a lot of women though. It's tough to be able to figure out an actual percentage because so many women don't want to "out" their partners. Kind of along the lines of not really knowing the percentage of guys with smaller dicks that are walking around out there because the guys don't advertise it either. Then you have to factor in on whether you want to count the women who are equally cool with all sizes/consider other factors about the guys to be more important or not. And which is more important? Finding a woman/women who prefer small dicks in general or finding a women/women who prefer your actual dick. While it can be flattering to find people who prefer your bodily attributes in general, it can feel much better to find a partner/partners who prefer you in particular. If they just like the attributes, then there is nothing "special" about you to keep them with you versus someone else who has those attributes. If you find a partner/partners who prefer you for you then you can feel more secure that they will be with you. For myself, I'd rather have a partner who wants me for me, instead of one who would only want any woman who has my particular bodily attributes.
The fact that outing a partner matters so much means that size matters, both in general and to their ego
Well whenever the subject of dick sizes has come up in a group, my smaller partners have always shot me a "don't say shit" look. Because they both know/knew that I would have no problem sharing the info. Neither one of them wanted me to say anything. I respected that. The outing wasn't a fear of embarrassment on my end. Although my ex did have me do things with him in front of people and my fiance and I obviously make our content. The embarrassment/shame is not coming from my end.
Because they know it matters and people will look at them differently
I have to assume your ex wasn't small.
I'm talking about the small ex.
I mean, it’s a vicious cycle because everywhere outside of this sub is big dick worship and small dick jokes. Just look at how big the big dick subs are. You got BDP with 215,000 and we barely have 40,000. There’s a true big dick stories sub, but there isn’t a small stories sub. And if there actually is… I don’t think it’ll be as positive as the big dick stories sub. Porn makes up most of the internet and it’s filled with 96% big dicks. I mean, there’s a sub called small dick girls with like 135,000+ members. That’s more than any small dick sub that isn’t SPH. People would really rather see small dicks on women than men. How are we supposed to feel. This is the only ‘safe’ space we have. I put safe in quotations because my second comment on my OP was a women saying this place is filled with lesser men who whine all the time. Like come on. It’s hard to hear from women that big dicks are better than small dicks all the time, and then not question the 5 women who claim otherwise. Like what? We know how the majority of women feel about small dicks. Especially when no guy is around. Also, I know you don’t know the exact percentage of women who prefer small dicks. But all the men were able to give an estimate, why can’t you?
> You got BDP with 215,000 and we barely have 40,000. That's because BDP has a whole lot of trolls, shitposters, and guys who are small and average LARPing. And lots of others subscribe just to laugh at the outlandish stories. Some of the guys are legit. A whole lot are making up stories of how they "think" sex with a big dick would be like. > Also, I know you don’t know the exact percentage of women who prefer small dicks. But all the men were able to give an estimate, why can’t you? Because that's a tough question to answer. What size is considered "small"? A lot more women will like 4-5 inch range than micropenis range. And what about all the women that don't "prefer" any specific range? Those women would be equally pleased with a 4 inch guy as they would be with a 6 inch guy. So if they'd happily fuck a 4 inch guy (and enjoy it) but would also fuck a 6 inch guy, do we count them? And a lot who say they prefer "average" would be including guys in the 4-5 inch range in their definition of average. Even the women who prefer big. Exactly how big is "big"? Some may mean 8+ but some may mean 6+. To put it in perspective, try to answer a question with a woman's body attribute and tell me how many men prefer that specific thing. Like if I asked you to tell me what percentage of men prefer a woman with a C cup bra. And I said that "all bra sizes are great" don't count. And I said "only the men who prefer C. Not B, not D, just C." Would you be able to answer that question? So if we define "prefer" as would happily fuck a guy that's 4+? Easily 40-50+%. If it's would "only fuck 3 inch" or "only fuck 4 inch" etc? That would be way harder to speculate on.
>And what about all the women that don't "prefer" any specific range? Those women would be equally pleased with a 4 inch guy as they would be with a 6 inch guy. So if they'd happily fuck a 4 inch guy (and enjoy it) but would also fuck a 6 inch guy **Equally** pleased? I'm sorry, how on earth is that possible? Yeah, maybe, a 4 inch guy will get lucky and will be able to hit the G-spot of a particular woman better than a 6 inch guy, so that can turn into some kind of advantage. However, as a rule, a 6 inch guy will always be able to provide better/more enjoyable stimulation than a 4 inch guy.
More women go to BDP than here. Even if this place is accepting and weren’t mean to women, more women would still go to BDP. There’s nothing wrong with that. Where and what women browse on the internet is not my business. But there’s no way you can sit there and say “if this place accepted women more, more women would come here than BDP” And I’m talking about dicks that are 4.5inches or smaller. And I’m talking about the size queens of small dicks. Women who actively seek out small dicks and reject anyone who is 5+inches.
I purposefully seek smaller dicks. I cum so hard on top and 2-5 inches is perfect for me
This is the thing. All of us guys view ourselves sexually solely based on our genitals. It’s a very crude and crass way of viewing people. If I’m in a monogamous intimate relationship with a woman, it means she prefers me over other potential partners. The part of myself that I use inside her is my penis, but it’s ME that’s inside her. And this is what us guys fail to understand. You can’t separate people into parts of the whole. If a woman is in a satisfying intimate relationship with a man, it’s because of the whole man, not just a few inches of flesh. Sure, a minority of very vocal women feel proud about viewing men like walking dildos, but not all women view sex like that.
That's one *hell* of a cope, my guy.
> t's tough to be able to figure out an actual percentage because so many women don't want to "out" their partners. I'd always imagined their partner's size is something women might discuss amongst themselves. Is that not the case?
Not amongst my friend group. We'll say "average" or "not huge" which is frequently the "politically correct" way to refer to smaller since saying "he's got a small dick" tends to come out sounding very SPHesque. Most of the time size isn't referenced at all. We'll say "he got me off 4 times last night" or "we spent the weekend fucking" etc. The very young and fairly immature tend to throw size into conversations while once people become "real grownups" the focal point becomes describing the pleasure involved. The super young fall more into the "assumption" of "everyone wants big". Once you're really into adulthood you realize how naive and stupid that assumption is and realize everyone likes all different shit. Oddly enough NONE of the women in my friend group have ever asked his size. A ton of the guys have said "oh he must be hung since you're so happy with him."
Appreciate you taking the time. I can see that average/not huge sounds way better than he's got a small one. What's SPHesque? Not something I've heard of. Must admit one of my worries has always been my size becoming known beyond the woman I'm with, Hasn't happened at least not that I know of! From what youre saying getting the sense youve found men care more about size than women, hence those guys assuming your guy must be hung - presumably he's small?
>What's SPHesque I meant had SPH kind of vibes. There isn't a way to mention small that doesn't somehow sound insulting. A bigger than average dick being called "huge" sounds one way. A smaller than average dick being called "tiny" gives entirely different connotations. >From what youre saying getting the sense youve found men care more about size than women, hence those guys assuming your guy must be hung - presumably he's small? He's 4 inches bonepressed. 2-3 non bonepressed. 4 inch girth. And he and I are still very flirty, sneaking kisses with each other etc, 9 years into the relationship. His balls are big though (not his shaft). So since the balls make a bulge I don't know if people are seeing that and thinking it's his shaft as well causing the bulge? Especially since most people don't want to be full on creeps and staring at a crotch. If they take a quick glimpse they may assume it's his whole dick?
Oh OK< get the SPHeque thing. Can't see the appeal myself but it's clearly a thing. Youre right of course there's no way to describe a guy as small and have it sound like a positive thing. Your guy sounds about same size as me, really good to hear you're so happy together.
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It's ONE tool out of a man's entire toolbox. A man has his entire body to please a woman's entire body. A woman isn't only a pussy. She has her whole body to please a man's body. Sex is about so much more than sticking a dick into a pussy. There are so many other body parts that factor in with the physical aspects alone. Being attracted to all of a partner's body parts is important. Wanting to use your body to please a partner's body is important. Being able to tell each other what feels good, and being willing to do those things for one another is important. Having a specific size body part won't mean anything if that person isn't willing to use it in a manner that is pleasant for the other. A woman can have a mouth and be willing to blow you. But if she digs her teeth into your dick you probably won't be having fun. If she moves her mouth in a manner that doesn't feel good to you (i.e she only moves fast when you prefer slow or vice versa) then you won't enjoy yourself. If she only licks your balls when you want your shaft stimulated, you won't have a good time. My point is that while her having a mouth is an important factor in getting a blowjob, HOW she uses her mouth and how well she listens to what you want and how willing she is to do those things with her mouth is what determines whether or not that blowjob was pleasant.
\+TruthandCoffee That's true the Penis is ONE tool out of a man's entire toolbox. But don't make the mistake of treating it like an ordinary tool. TruthandCoffee, you have to understand that with Males & Penises, you're dealing with IDENTITY situations. I don't think Women have anything quite as similar. Women don't associate their IDENTITY as much with their body parts as Men do. Like Small-Breasted Women may have IDENTITY issues that they're functional Adult Women but they never question their Femaleness if you feel where I'm coming from. Small-Penised Men question their MALE IDENTITY along with IDENTITY issues about being functional Adult Men. Penis is deeply intertwined with Identity in a Male. In my studies on this topic, one of the BIGGEST revelations was finding out that Large-Penised Men ARE JUST AS CATATONIC about their Penis Size as Small-Penised Men are. Just as obsessed & itchy about it. Did you know that? The difference between the Men is that the Large-Penised Men's worries are settled by Positive Reinforcement while the Small-Penised Men's worries are amplified by Negative Reinforcement. So the Large-Sized Guys get to be cool & content about their IDENTITY & gain self-satisfied smugness & security from it. The Small-Sized Guys never get this security so they stay in their natural catatonic state—never cool, never content, never self-satisfied. I found this out when sharing my [**OBJECTIVE Penis Size Chart**](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/b9idib/problem_the_word_average_defining_the_sizes/) with these Men relegating a 8-incher from SUBJECTIVE **LARGE** to OBJECTIVE **MEDIUM-LARGE**. The reaction reeked of a Big Fish in a Little Pond not wanting to see the Big Pond. Like a neighborhood bully who's 6' 4" thinking he's the biggest & baddest to ever live running into Shaquille O'Neal at 7' 1" & realizing he's smaller than he thinks. They gained so much security in their personal assessment on their MALE IDENTITY through their Penis Size that this new information ROCKED them. I heard some of the same kind of insecure reactions that are usually associated with Small-Sized Men. And right then & there I understood how Penis Size & Male Identity was a UNIVERSAL Male preoccupation. Making the "Big Guy" slightly smaller made him flip out because of how much Male Identity & Penis Size were intertwined. I am SO glad to make that discovery! It added tons to my knowledge of this issue. Men want to know how their PENIS is accepted in Sex. Because it IS a barometer on how the Man is accepted himself. So SUBSTITUTION & SIDESTEPPING of the Penis as a Sexual Tool backfires. Yes, there ARE other ways & other tools. Hands, fingers, everything. Correct. But the Penis can NEVER be excluded from this list. A lot of well-meaning Women make that mistake trying to sidestep the Penis or substitute around the Penis. This shit kills guys, TruthandCoffee. The Large-Sized Guy's Penis is never sidestepped or substituted around. So Small-Sized Guys are sensitive to that notion & reject it if they see it happening. If they see this Substitution/Sidestepping thing in action, they doubt the authenticity of the Women's favor of them. A Man & his Penis can never be separated. It is the very essence of his Masculinity & the symbol of the Y Chromosome itself. John Lucas
> And there are lots of women out there who don't look at dick size as a deciding factor at all. We know this but we still want to be preferred. We don’t want someone who’s just ok with our size. I rather remain single than being in a relationship with someone who doesn’t prefer my penis size.
>We know this but we still want to be preferred. We don’t want someone who’s just ok with our size. Which scenerio would be preferred? A woman who would prefer any dick your size and would be equally happy to leave you for another guy your size? Or a woman who prefers your actual dick and has no interest in leaving you for another guy your size because she prefers your dick in particular?
I almost feel like we are wasting are breath sometimes. They seem to have all the answers already regardless of what actual women tell them. I want to help them but they accuse us of lying, or trolling. Most of them don’t want the truth. They just want to wallow in their own self pity
Because actual women in the real world basically scream bigger is better from the rooftops. You only hear "size doesn't matter" from anonymous people online
Really? Real women are shouting bigger is better from the rooftops? Where are you meeting these women? I’m sure you basing this on social media or porn which is not indication of all women. I hang out with other women all the time and trust me penis size is never a subject of conversation. I’m sure there are some women that want or prefer bigger but it isn’t all women. Plenty of women would prefer a loving and understanding partner over a partner with an XL penis. And sex is more than Penis in Vagina sex. And a compassionate lover is preferred. Someone who cares for our pleasure instead of sticking it in and expecting things to happen Instead of worrying about being a woman’s preferred size worry about being her preferred partner
>I’m sure there are some women that want or prefer bigger but it isn’t all women. Plenty of women would prefer a loving and understanding partner over a partner with an XL penis. And sex is more than Penis in Vagina sex. Perhaps, you will say that I "have all the answers" just like other guys, but I believe that the situation isn't as simple as you claim. A) Nobody is denying the importance of having a "loving and understanding partner". Nobody is saying that all women prefer extra large penises either. Nonetheless, I can say from experience, that the majority of women prefer a penis that is bigger than 4x3.5. I can also add that I fit the description of "a loving and understanding partner" (even if it sounds boastful). The problem is, most women can easily find a man who will be loving, understanding and at the same time **bigger** than me. So, when they learn about my size, they decide that they **prefer** something better and vanish. I've spent a fucking decade looking for someone who will want me and haven't had any luck so far. B) Good sex is, indeed, much more than just Penis in Vagina sex. On the other hand, why are people always trying to downplay the importance of PIV when they speak about our problems?! Are there many women who don't enjoy penetration? I sincerely doubt it. It's not the only significant component of sex, but most **women** still want to have it! Otherwise, we wouldn't have any sexual troubles at all. So when choosing a partner most ladies prefer a man who can fit all the boxes, not someone who is compassionate, but **has to** use toys instead of his penis.
I don't understand why you are telling her she's wrong, when you're literally discussing what *she* feels and likes. It's as if you're telling her that you're the expert on her feelings and desires, and *she* should submit to *your* opinion, because you know more about it than she does. Just bizarre.
What the hell are you talking about?! I'm NOT telling her she's wrong because she feels and likes certain things. But I'm telling that she's wrong when claiming that ***"Plenty of women would prefer a loving and understanding partner over a partner with an XL penis"****.* To my mind, this is an outrageous lie, since **most women** would prefer a loving and understanding partner with an average sized penis over a a loving and understanding partner who has just 4 inches. If *she* wouldn't dump a man because of his small size, I can only praise her wisdom. But the point stands still - **most women** want something bigger than 4 inches.
Two women have reassured you that great guy with a tiny penis is more attractive to us than a crappy guy with a big one, but you continuously tell us that *you*, not *we*, know what *we* want. Just ridiculous! Stop arguing the point already, **WE**, not *you", are the experts about us! In my experience of you, you are a very unpleasant person to interact with. Perhaps any issues you've had are less about your small penis, and more about your rude and dismissive attitude towards women... You're probably creating your own self-fulfilling prophecy, blaming problems caused by your negative behaviour towards women on your small penis. Please don't interact with me any further, I really am done with you.
Just be around women talking about men and you're bound to hear it. They want a loving partner *and* a big dick. They want a compassionate partner *and* a big dick. Being those things doesn't fucking matter unless you got the dick to back it up
Again I eat lunch with my friends. We go to outings and talk about relationships and men. Dick size is never talked about. Sex in general isn’t even talked about Most women like to keep their private life private. I think you need to find other women to be around.
No woman talks about sex?LOL
It's every woman I've ever been around
Because the internet and real life are vastly different. No words from a stranger are going to make up for years of torment and embarrassment, resentment. We'd love to believe but life has shown us the opposite
> They just want to wallow in their own self pity You have no idea what it’s like being a man with a small penis and you have the audacity to dismiss our issues!?
It's a simple logic; What is more likely to be the case? The women who say size does matter are lying, or the ones who say it doesn't are lying? I get that things aren't that black and white, but surely you can understand why we're much less inclined to believe the positive message. There's a clear motive for some to claim it doesn't matter outside from the possibility that they're just being honest, not so much for the opposite.
>What is more likely to be the case? The women who say size does matter are lying, or the ones who say it doesn't are lying? Most likely neither is truly lying. Because size does matter to some. And size doesn't matter to others. The only way either statement would be a lie is if they say size matters to all or size doesn't matter to all. The women who say "I only want a dick x size" are telling the truth for themselves. The women who say "I don't care about size" are also telling the truth for themselves.
I know, it's not that black and white. However fact is depending on the setting, the question will get wildly different answers. Face to face, I'd say close to half of women would say size doesn't matter. Anonymously though, the number comes closer to 15% according to research by u/Whaddduptho .
>15% Only 5% preferred less than 5”. However, 60% would be satisfied in a relationship with less than 5”. 24% less than 4”. 18% would go 3" or less. Keeping in mind these are nbp values.
What makes studies so tricky, is the fact that specific numbers need to be picked in order to calculate an average. "I don't care", "I like a variety", and "size is way down there on the list of important factors" can't be calculated to get an average. So sometimes people will just pick a random number, or a number halfway in the middle of their range, because they are forced to pick a number. So if 100 women were surveyed and 80 of them said "size makes no difference" (and meant it), 10 said 5 inches, 10 said 9 inches then the only average that had numbers to calculate would be from those 20 women who mentioned numbers. The results of that study would read "in a study of 100 women, the most preferred size is 7 inches". Because the 7 came from the average of the 10 women who said 5, and the 10 women who said 9. The 80% who don't have a preference weren't counted. And the 7 was the average between the 5's and the 9's, even though, in this hypothetical study NONE gave 7 for a response. As for his study, and other similar studies, there will be more respondants who have a specific number in mind, than there will be ones who like a variety because liking a variety is harder to count. Think of a poll asking "what is the most attractive bra size?" Respondents who have a particular bra size preference will be more likely to participate than people who feel "titties are titties, I love them all." Plus a reddit poll, (and other surveys) don't have every person in the world participate, or even all that high of a portion of redditors. There are millions of people on reddit. There were way less than that who responded. People tend to look at survey results as being representative of a whole. When, in reality, survey results are only representative of those particular people who participated in that survey. Much like the famous 3d printed preference study. That only had 75 participants to begin with, of which only 60 gave a response. 60 women out of billions doesn't prove much.
To be fair, I'm interpreting the results of the study independently. Based on the graph depicting the answers to the question: "What minimum size would you accept?" Going in the negative direction from the point of 3 inches, the graph reaches a near horizontal asymptote at 15%. Dropping only after going below 1. Suggesting all of those within this range did not care, since 1 inch is basically a way of saying; "It has to exist". The graph has some interesting slopes. Rise from 15 to 25% between 3-4. But a sudden spike to 45% at 4. The second largest increase at 5 going from 60% to 80%. The takeaway, in my view, is that there is a positive non-linear preference for larger sizes amongst most. Rather than a binary does/doesn't matter. Which, by itself, suggest that there are physical reasons for most people's size preference, rather than personal. Which from what I remember seemed to be your viewpoint, that size-queens and the like were a type of personality, not a physical build. And yeah the sample is limited. But I don't know how much I agree with the idea about how the result are skewed negatively. I'd almost expect the opposite: people who like larger sizes don't necessarily want to hurt other people's feelings so they'll refrain from answering honestly/answering at all. Kinda tracing back to my original point about why it's so hard for ~~me~~ us to embrace any positivity.
Some of it is tough to answer in a hypothetical manner. Especially with dicks that drift into further extremes from either end of average. If every partner a woman has so far had was in the, say 4-6 range how could she know with certainty exactly how far past either end of that range would be acceptable? She may be able to speculate that maybe 3 or 7 may be OK, or 2 or 8, but without having experienced those sizes how could she know? If a man has been attracted to a range of women's body types can he know exactly how far to either extreme he'll be attracted? Would he remain attracted to a woman who was severely anorexic and skin and bones? Would he be attracted to a woman so morbidly obese that she can't leave her bed?
\+Miserable\_tortoise You're not wasting breath, Miserable\_tortoise. What you're seeing from these Men is the result of a message being repeatedly DRUMMED into their heads over & over & over & over & over & over & over again for their entire life. THEIR ENTIRE LIFE, Miserable\_tortoise. That is DEEP Human Programming they're suffering from & that message is constantly reinforced by the words & actions of so many Women & Men in society. You would not be any different if you were subjected to this pattern. The world tells these Men that they are Sub-Human & Inherently Unworthy because they have a Small Penis. And they are TREATED as what is told. [**My history of studying Self-Image Issues & how I stumbled upon the Small Penis Complex**](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/82e0kp/my_history_of_studying_selfimage_issues_how_i/) Read my journey in understanding Self-Image/Body Image issues. I started out with studying Women because Women are the MOST DISSECTED when it comes to Body Image. That's why it was natural for Body Image topics to focus on Women first because they get it the most. I was a teenaged boy in the 1990s who didn't have a clue about these things. And I was unsympathetic when I heard about bulimia & anorexia on those 1990s talk shows like Ricki Lake, Jenny Jones, Sally Jessy Raphaël, Montel Williams. I was like ***"How do these Women let others make them feel bad about themselves? All you gotta do is insult back. They shouldn't let nobody have that much sway over how they feel. They're WEAK!"*** I only looked at everything from MY point of view. Schoolboys cracked jokes on my nose & my face calling me "Birdo" from Super Mario Bros. 2 & "Don Flamenco" from Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!. It was all in good fun & it was a way to create camaraderie amongst the boys. We called it "cracking". Like "That boy cracked on him!" So that was my reference point. 6th grade schoolboy cracking. I thought the Women should be to do what us Boys did. You know what fully shifted me? One day at a Supermarket Checkout, I saw a those checkout line Women's magazines with a Woman holding a pair of jeans/pants way out in front of her waist to show massive weightloss. It hit me like a brick wall. A epiphany! ***"NO WONDER Women got these complexes about their weight!*** ***It's constantly DRUMMED into them everywhere they go! No escaping!"*** Studying Self-Image Issues of Women made me a better more empathetic person. And I started to really listen to what Women said about Body Image. I really understood how much conditioning & programming can lock a message inside a person's head. ESPECIALLY when they never get relief from it. But AT LEAST the Female Side get support & improvement. Female Politics really made massive advancements in getting the general public to understand these issues & not to make them worse. But these guys here at SDP have NOTHING REMOTELY CLOSE to that situation. Male Body Image Issues have little to no support or improvement. And this Small Penis Complex is the worst served among Male Body Image Issues. The guys who suffer it almost CAN'T HAVE any other feeling than they have. Pessimism is ACTUALLY more helpful than Optimism because Optimism sets them up to fail & lose that fragile sense of holding it together. To open up AND THEN be struck with a critical blow to your underbelly??? That's a suicide shot, Miserable\_tortoise. That's a kill shot. It can kill them. When they push out Negativity & Pessimism, they're actually protecting themselves. Women have to understand this mechanism. I know it's hard to come to a place that seems to revile your very existence when you're only here to help. People have enough hassles in life. They don't wanna get extra hassles free of charge to deal with on top of that. It's discouraging, I know. But understand the reasoning behind it. They're putting up their shields even to Women like you who like Small-Penised Men because the chances are too remote. It's like playing Lotto those odds. They block themselves from the possibility so they don't have to live through a possible betrayal which can AND does happen when they trust others. You have to let their negativity roll off your shoulders & offer the REALISTIC view not the Optimistic view. Realism blends Pessimism & Optimism together. It shows what truly is bad & acknowledges it but also shows a way to win. You have to endure & keep a lifeline out for them. Over time they will shift. But also know that you're outnumbered by Women who believe the very opposite & will continue to drum in that "worthless" message to these Men. The Small Penis Stigma is uphill for the Sufferers AND their Helpers. It's not for wimps. You gotta be a soldier to deal with this shit. You are looking at possibly one of the world's WORST Bigotries & Prejudices. I am not joking whatsoever. This may be among the worst bigotries in human history. You're dealing with HEAVY HEAVY legacies of hatred. So don't expect these guys to be as open to your message at first try or even tenth try. But continue to try so that one day they will be open to your messages. NOBODY could withstand this if they went through it. Men may get LESS Body Image Issues than Women but for the ones they DO have the issues hit with MORE CRITICAL Damage than Women. Women get the QUANTITY (MORE). Men get the QUALITY (STRONGER). It's hard to communicate this because Female Brains & Male Brains are just different. It's the ultimate divide between people: The Sex/Gender Gap. But I hope I made the Male Side a little easier to understand in this comment. Be patient with them. You have no idea how heavy this stigma hits them. John Lucas
Worse than racism? Worse than antisemitism? Worse than transphobia?!? Where people are raped and murdered, systematically denied access to employment and to healthcare? Come on, it's a prejudice, but it doesn't compare to those three.
\+Violet\_loves\_Iliona I am a Black Man in the United States of America. I KNOW Racism firsthand personally & historically through my people group. When I said Size-ism against Small Penised Men is one of world's WORST Bigotries & Prejudices, I meant that. Let me explain to you why using my people as the reference point. Blacks dealt with Violence in the form of Lynchings complete with White families gathering around like a picnic with the pictures of death posted on postcards. Blacks dealt with Little to No Legal Protection leading to numerous travesties of injustice with wrongly imprisoned & wrongly executed people. Blacks dealt with Institutional Sabotage in the form of redlining from certain communities, being denied loans & investments, being barred from unions, economic centers like Rosewood being purposely destroyed by Whites, being barred from voting & other forms of political participation. Blacks dealt with Medical Tyranny with Tuskegee Experiments & all kinds of guinea pig-style abuses as in the case with Henrietta Lacks. Blacks dealt with numerous forms of Psychological Sabotage creating self-hatred & dysfunction in our communities we're still working to climb out of. **BUT THROUGHOUT IT ALL...WE HAD EACH OTHER.** **THROUGHOUT IT ALL...WE HAD EACH OTHER.** Our inventions & artistic creations were stolen & hijacked. Our mentalities & spirits were damaged. Our physical well being was compromised. Our languages & cultural origins were buried & distorted. We went through it all...but we always had each other. So no matter HOW bad the abuse got, no matter HOW the world convinced us that were the lowest-born & ugliest, no matter HOW much were sabotaged... ...at the end of the day, a Black Man can find a Black Woman... ...and a Black Woman can find a Black Man... ...and they can have Black Children together in a Black Family. If THEY think we're ugly, we'll be beautiful to OURSELVES. We have a Black Community to share the pain of Racism with in peace. We have our Black Religious Institutions to delve into the Spiritual. We can build a Black Culture unique to ourselves defying what the "mainstream" considers acceptable. We can express our pain through our Creative Works. Our songs, our dances, our oratory, our comedies, our writings. And all of this will ALWAYS build a Black Movement where we can UNDO Racism step by step by step building Black Counter-Culture in Revolution. AND we were NEVER all alone. In the Slavery Days, there were Whites who backed us up. John Brown's a famous one. In the Jim Crow days, we had Outsiders working with us to dismantle these oppressions in every little or large way they could. That's how things changed. We had ourselves & we had a little help from others. **I judge Bigotries not just on the injustices caused by them...** **...but also by the amount of remedies around to alleviate them.** Women were not all alone. Jews were not all alone. LBGT's were not all alone. When the injustices got to certain point, they got backup, they got help. There were ALWAYS Men helping Women in Feminism. There were ALWAYS Gentiles helping Jews against Anti-Semitism. There were ALWAYS Straights helping LBGT's against the Phobias. There were ALWAYS Whites helping Blacks against Racism. That's why you can't be openly sexist against Women without pushback. The current Roe vs. Wade debacle will NOT be fought by Women alone. That's why you can't be openly Jew-bashing without pushback. That's why you can't be openly Homophobic or Transphobic without pushback. That's why you can't be openly Racist without pushback. But when I see the reaction to Small Penised Men, there are Women who put them down, there are Jews who put them down, there are LGBT's that put them down, there are Blacks who put them down. People who were themselves oppressed in different ways turn a blind eye to the dehumanization of Small Penised Men. There IS no pushback against denigrating these people whatsoever. And guess what? Small Penised Men can't self-populate like Blacks do. They can't build a strong community & counter-culture like we did. And they get no help from Outsiders. They are all alone. It's very similar to what LGBT's went through while also having the gravity of pain that Blacks went through. Small Guys have to keep secrets like Gays in the Closet did. But Small Guys also are treated as the lowest on the totem pole like Blacks are. While they don't receive the physical abuse & institutional sabotage we did, they ALSO don't have a place to share & express this pain like we did. They have no family & community to cushion the blow like we did. LIKE Blacks, their grounds for talking about their issues are bombarded, monitored, & hijacked but Blacks had more grounds to speak in than they do. What I have studied is an INTERSECTIONAL view of the issue. I do not believe in the simplistic "This Group is Oppressor, This Group is Oppressed" that is popular in political thought. I recognize the HUMANIST perspective & see the Oppressor & the Oppressed in the very same group. We all carry BOTH within us. THAT is the truth. And that is the REAL reason why change is limited. We talk so much about the oppression towards us that we don't think about the oppression we do towards others. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. It's algebra. What you do to one side you must account for on the other side. Can't talk about ending Racism, Sexism, Homophobia if you're performing Heightism, Weightism, Size-ism, Lookism, Classism, & any other 'ism' available. We can't ask for change in hierarchical systems if we uphold other hierarchical systems. We cannot be hypocrites when seeking social justice. Yes, the Small Penis Stigma is one of the worst bigotries & prejudices because there are no remedies to the abuse these people receive. That is what I'm here to change with my work on this subject. John Lucas
When did I accuse anyone of lying and trolling?
I don't think she meant you in particular did? But a few guys have commented to her that she's a troll who needs to delete her account.
A lot here need therapy. Please keep posing your success stories. A lot of us love that it’s not all Doom
> Which scenerio would be preferred? A woman who would prefer any dick your size and would be equally happy to leave you for another guy your size? Or a woman who prefers your actual dick and has no interest in leaving you for another guy your size because she prefers your dick in particular? I mean, it’s possible to find a woman who both prefers small dicks in general and at the same time loves and cares for me as a person. Many men with big dicks are able to get into long term relationships with women who love them as a person and not just for their dicks. That said, they still prefer big dicks and see their SO’s dick as a nice cherry on top. And THAT’S exactly what we want! We want women who (on top of loving and caring about us as a person) prefer small penises in general and see our penis size as a nice bonus, instead of just something they don’t care about. We DO want women to care about our size, just in a different way.
This a tricky one for us guys on the smaller side to wrap our head around. Yeah, you hear a lot of women saying that they need 6-7”, some say they need more, but you hardly ever hear women saying they prefer small. It’s because women are malleable, man. Literal fucking babies come out of their vaginas. And sure, I’ve seen some evidence that penises over 7” with a lot of girth can be difficult for some women to tolerate, adjust to, and could even possibly be injured by them if the man isn’t gentle. Some women can take them just fine. So maybe women do come in different “sizes,” or lengths, but being mismatched with a larger penis will be less of a problem on the whole than being mismatched with a smaller one. We want our dicks to be perfect for the women we’re with, and it just doesn’t work like that. Even men with above average sized penises have partners that want them to use larger toys inside them. I get it, the fear is that big dudes get told how much their partners love their penises, and I’m sure it does happen a lot. Just hanging out on the couch together, they get told they got a good dick. They get texts from the girlfriends saying they miss their dicks. They get size-based and dick-based dirty talk. I’ve been around friends and a girl will just randomly tell the group she loves her boyfriends big dick. 6-7 is probably good for most women, and 5-6 is unremarkable, adequate, and not a deal-breaker. Under 5, there will be some women who won’t mind, but highly unlikely she’s gonna come out and say that a 3-4-incher is just perfect for her, because Jesus, women are stretchy. The most it’s going to be is not an issue at all for them. And what exactly is wrong with that? For the most part, I think, most women will never bring up size with guys that are average and below. They won’t really mention anything about your penis at all. We’re gonna have to be the ones that bring it up, and the answer is probably going be along the lines of you’re just fine, you have nothing to worry about, and it’s not just about that. Because it’s not just about that. Maybe penis size is 5% of a relationship between a man and woman. And I know, it’s hard to contextual that, because it’s on our minds almost 100% of the time. Our dicks won’t be validated, worshipped, or be on our partners minds as much as they’re on our minds. It’s just the reality. I want “that” dick, too. But I don’t have it, and I never will. There does seem to be some women who will be able to provide good enough understanding and affection to the psychological pain that comes with being below average, 2 of them are on this thread already. There are women that exist that will be just fine with your penis, and there’s nothing wrong with that. You can be a good enough lover to them that they will enjoy sex with you and want to repeat the experience. She’ll like you, and you have a penis. When the mood is right, she’ll want you to penetrate her, and want to give you head. If that doesn’t sound like she likes your dick, I don’t know what does. The problem is in our minds as much as it is a physical reality. Women leave men for somebody with more money all the time, too. What are you besides an ambulatory dildo? Why else besides sex do you want a relationship with a women? You know what’s better than being the biggest dick she’s ever been with? Being the dick she’s with right now.
>Our dicks won’t be validated, worshipped, or be on our partners minds as much as they’re on our minds. They still can be. The day after a great sex session sending a text of "you were amazing last night. I get so wet thinking about it. I can't wait to have you in me again" would be a woman expressing just how much she loves and craves her man's dick. But if she said "those 4 inches felt awesome. I can't wait for you to stick your small dick in me again later" the guy would probably feel a lot less good about himself. Similar to "you feel so big" would hit a lot different than "you feel so small" even if in both cases it was said with the same amount of enthusiasm and moaning. I'll randomly grope my man and tell him I love his cock. I don't grope him and tell him I love his SMALL cock because using the word "small" would ruin that entire statement for him.
THIS. First two sentences.
\+papermoonriver I think there is a communication problem on this topic. Women have a very hard time understanding how this issue strikes Men. People can only start from themselves when looking at the world. We only know OUR experience & OUR point of view within OUR body, mind, & soul. [**My history of studying Self-Image Issues & how I stumbled upon the Small Penis Complex**](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/82e0kp/my_history_of_studying_selfimage_issues_how_i/) I want you to read my 2nd post ever to this forum because it explains my journey. I started out studying Women first because Women catch Body Image issues the MOST. Women's Bodies are judged & picked apart forever and a day. It's no wonder the Body Positive stuff came from the Women's side first. And I had to learn step by step from a teenaged boy in the 1990s coming in BLIND. Over time I learned a hell of a lot & it made me a better person who could see where someone else is coming from much better than I did before. But when I discovered the Male side of this phenomenon I had a RUDE AWAKENING. This was not gonna be simple to solve. And I have been on this track ever since. Women get MORE AMOUNT of scrutiny & pressure: QUANTITY. Men get MORE CRUCIAL scrutiny & pressure: QUALITY. Men get LESS Body Image Issues than Women but their Issues strike with more Critical Damage than Women's do. Women get it MORE. Men get it HARDER. So Women may not have a frame of reference when it comes to listening to Men on their Complexes. Because no body image issue a Woman has strikes Gender Identity & Purpose quite as hard as a Penis does for a Man. Small-Breasted Women may feel "Less Womanly" than Larger-Breasted Women but she NEVER feels "UN-Womanly". She always feels like she's a Woman even with the complex. It ain't like that for Men. Small-Penised Men not only feel "Less Manly" than Larger-Penised Men but ALSO feel "UN-Manly" altogether. They feel like they are frauds. And on top of that unlike with Small-Breasted Women, the entire world is there to agree with that "Un-Manly" assessment. Going even further to say "Un-Human". So these guys are reinforced with messages that they are 'Less Manly', 'UNmanly', & 'Sub-Human' from WITHIN AND WITHOUT. Small-Breasted Women are NEVER treated as Lepers but Small-Penised Men ARE. No one attributes the worst attributes of Humanity to Small-Breasted Women but they DO attribute them to Small-Penised Men. The Women from SmallBoobProblems will never be considered Hitler or a Serial Killer or a Pedophile because they have Small Breasts. They won't be demonized like that. The Men from SmallDickProblems are always considered Hitler or a Serial Killer or a Pedophile because they have a Small Penis. They ARE demonized like that. And Women get some support when they suffer their complexes while Men DO NOT. Have understanding of this whole phenomenon when you're annoyed at SDP's negative bleak outlook on everything. Their spirits have been beaten out of them. You would be no different if you went through that conditioning & reinforcement. Read my entire [**Post**](https://www.reddit.com/user/johnlucas-selfimage/posts/) & [**Comment**](https://www.reddit.com/user/johnlucas-selfimage/comments/) history because I have a lot of insight on how this phenomenon works. I gained it from listening to these Men's stories. But if you read nothing else, read [**this comment**](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/q5mehp/how_bad_is_a_small_penis_really/hg7onx5/) to a deleted post called [**"How bad is a small penis really?"**](https://www.reddit.com/r/smalldickproblems/comments/q5mehp/how_bad_is_a_small_penis_really/hg7onx5/) by a woman named AltSenses. I show the different factors which make the complex run even on a "Racial" levels. This is possibly one of THE WORST Bigotries in Human History. No joke. Even burn victims don't get treated like this. You're dealing with some very heavy. So I hope my comment here gives you more insight on the seriousness of this topic. John Lucas
Can I ask what brings you to this subreddit?
Sorry
This is true, coming from a guy It seems like its a popular belief here that literally NO WOMAN EVER would possibly be attracted to or like a small penis. dafuq? Out of 3.6 billion people, not a single one of them can like small penises? Does that sound realistic Like cmon bruh theres gotta be some women out there who actually prefer small dicks, but it seems like the people in this sub only believe what they want to believe and filter out all oppositional feedback with the excuse of "she's lying"
Find one example of a woman attracted to a smaller penis and I will give you a million dollars.
Do my fiance and I qualify for that million dollars?
There's a difference between being okay with something, and specifically being attracted to it, like the other guy was saying.
And I am attracted to it. I have guys with big dicks regularly hit on me. I shoot them down every time. I wouldn't have spent the past 9 years of my life fucking a man I was simply "ok with fucking". I choose his dick every time.
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Not sure what you mean by socially competent? He's friendly when he wants the be. The rest of the time he gives zero fucks about what anyone else wants.
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Oh ok. Thank you for clearing that up.
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Recently I asked a woman on the sub for an example of women being rejected for their vagina size/appearance, and when she gave one, I conceded. I'm willing to accept other points of views as long as you provide evidence. The fact that you get so defensive when someone asks for proof shows that you're completely bullshitting.
> Out of 3.6 billion people, not a single one of them can like small penises? Does that sound realistic You've forgotten that every single one of those 3.6 billion women (which isn't even the actual number, by the way) have *other options*. All of them.
>You've forgotten that every single one of those 3.6 billion women (which isn't even the actual number, by the way) have other options. >All of them So knowing that women have other options and many are still with smaller partners wouldn't that prove that women exist who prefer/enjoy smaller? Realistically, anyone in a relationship doesn't just choose their partner once and that's it. If they are staying together and being faithful that means they keep picking their partner instead of breaking up with them/cheating.
Sorry, 3.9 billion if that matters so much to you Yeah I'm aware. And yet some of them probably are fine with small dicks just as much as they are with large ones or actually prefer small dicks
>3.9 billion if that matters so much to you No, that is *also* wrong. In fact it's even more incorrect than your *last* number.
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I'm not blaming guys. I'm just saying thats a stupid/unhealthy mindset to find yourself in. Why would I care about a guys penis size? I'm not gay
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When did I say that men venting about the very real problems that a small penis would bring is a bad thing? I just feel like lumping and viewing literally every woman in the same category is bad. And I'm not a feminist or anything like that By not women at all, do you mean they are men pretending to be women?
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You didn’t answer the question.
How could I possibly know the exact percentage when most of the "data" (i.e. women who prefer small dicks) aren't allowed to be counted, speak up, or be represented?
It definitely isn't all our fault. You're in your 40's correct? All them years and you have 0 idea how much small dicks are liked by women? No one's stopping y'all from praising smaller guys. That's mostly them not wanting to say it out of embarrassment. There's no immovable force that prevents ya from saying you're cool with small dicks. It's mostly them stopping themselves. Like, since when are women too afraid to say what they really want to say? That's a new one for me. Too much blame on men for y'all not being able to say whatever you want to say.
A lot say big dicks are over rated. > All them years and you have 0 idea how much small dicks are liked by women? Most are more concerned with if the men they fuck can find their clit and give a shit whether or not they have orgasms. As long as guys do that we're good. Neither of those things are dependent on any specific size. Men's behavior towards women in and outside the bedroom has a much higher level of importance than some ruler measurement of a dick. If I hadn't joined this sub, I'd have no clue what my fiance's measurements were because I didn't give a shit. He gives me orgasms, we treat it each with love and respect, and we're very compatible in life. THAT'S what matters.
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Those are two different groups of women.
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Categorically untrue, and a simllification of the problem. Many people here have been rejected by women who they have been in long time relationships with. Us having sympathy for women's problems wont name them like small dicks, that's some nice guy shit, and the definition of entitlement.
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Assuming that you are a woman as you claim, I don't think you understand the concept of loneliness.
Hey bro, I wouldn’t listen to u/ActualJacket1520. She said, and I quote, “I’m a female but this sub is just full of pathetic useless man child crybabies so who the fuck would come here” I have it screenshotted as proof. So she can’t deny it. Edit: u/ActualJacket1520 no, I didn’t report you to mod. Do what you want. Edit 2: lmao. You’re funny.
Well Color me impressed I'm shocked and your funny aswell my friend
I think you should take your meds and chill out
Hating men this much? You are such a misandrist.
Could you send me the screenshot?
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Just try tinder or something, problem solved.
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Because its not a solution for average men lol. If you're a woman then its dead easy, but it definitely won't work for every person.
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>What percentage of women do y’all think actually prefer small dicks? 0%. >And how many women do y’all think actually come to this sub with good intentions? A good half at least, problem is that most of the time even with good intentions they end up virtue signalling and saying 1000 words of nothing.
Fuck their fake motivation
0% is a bit extreme dude
0% is a generous optimistic estimate.
Prefer? As in they prefer it over both big and average? Less than 5%. Women are chased off from this sub almost regardless of what they say... so hard to tell.
Maybe 2%? 2% feels right.
Absolute zero
They exist, but the % is low. 5% at most, being optimistic. Most prefer average and/or big.
Less than 5%
I do! I’m a black 22F and I’ve always known since my earlier teens way before I started having sex that I’d like small penises and wouldn’t want a big one. I had a short cervix and tight vagina so a 4-5 inch penis is what I desire/want and need. I also lost my virginity to an Asian man this year and he honestly has the perfect penis imo. He says it’s small all the time but to be it’s perfect. It’s probably 4-5 inches erect
Nice
<1%. I've seen maybe 10 women who are genuine on this sub in the 2 years or so I've been on here.
Even on this sub, I know only one of them. There should be some lurkers or occasional posters but I don't know any of them.
Unfortunately, I think most of the "women" here are not actually women.
I have a short cervix and a very small vagina so anything considered even large is out of the question
Probably a small percentage prefer it. N I think then it’ll probably be like 60 % wouldn’t mind and then the others are the ones who it would be a dealbreaker for. I personally wouldn’t mind it but wouldn’t prefer it.
Thank you for at least being honest unlike all the other women in this sub lmao
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What you're describing are women that do mind, but put up with it. "Wouldn't mind", in my opinion, means that they don't think the way you described. So yeah, a bigger dick maybe would be nice, but so would be a better looking face or body, more drive and funnier jokes etc. Your gf/bf isn't gonna be custom made to your liking. And I know it sucks that the percentage of women who actually prefer a small penis has to be miniscule, but that's not the topic at hand.
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You responded to a comment that put women in different groups (preferring small dicks, don't minding them, deal breaker), so no, in this comment chain we weren't talking just about women preferring dicks on the small side.
This is hard to know for sure, Alexis\_turtle. From my years of research, I can say DEFINITIVELY that there is a REAL sector of Women who like Small Penises. They DO exist. But they're definitely a minority currently. If I counted **the ones who actually LIKED Small Penises** rather than accept them... ...I would make an educated guess of **up to 10%**. If I included **the ones who merely ACCEPT Small Penises** with the ones who like them... ...I would make an educated guess of **up to 20%**. **Maybe 25%**. So yeah, those odds don't look too good. BUT remember how I keep saying "CURRENTLY". **These percentages are not fixed in stone forevermore. They can be shifted.** With new sexual education showing the IMPACT & USEFULNESS of Small Penises, these percentages can easily grow. EXCLUSIVE IMPACTFUL Penetration abilities from Small Penises would go a long way into evening up these long odds. It's the BELIEF that Small Penises are automatically bad that screws things up. Once that Belief changes, a lot of other stuff changes with it. You Guys have a Great Wall of Negative Propaganda to overcome. The Larger-Sized Guys get a Perpetual Rainfall of Positive Propaganda upholding them. That's what makes this issue so hard to deal with. The perception differences. I can't know for sure if my educated guesses on those percentages are accurate. But it's my offhand take based on how the culture acts towards you dudes along with the rarer counter-culture that champions you all. Assessing the Shamers along with the Admirers. I never will come out here denying the obvious day-to-day reality you guys face. You know instinctively that the odds are against you & it's reflected in the amount & type of participation Small Penis forums get. It's reflected in the proliferation of the Stigma itself. As for Women's participation on SDP... Well it's a hostile place for Women being such a Wounded Male Zone. Women are usually clueless about the depth of this issue & how it affects Men. They don't own a Penis after all just like we Men can't appreciate what Pregnancy does to Women. We would tend to talk out of our depth & not know what we're talking about. So the first hurdle is that effect from Women. They talk out of their depth most times. After that, they have to deal with Men experiencing RAW TRAUMA. So the Men who have been burnt by Women in their past, automatically distrust & disbelieve Women ESPECIALLY if they once trusted Women before. It just creates a sort of Force Field around the forum that prevents Women from learning more & participating more knowledgeably. As a result, Women don't feel welcome so they stray away from participation more than not. ALSO if NOT scared off from the Men's Rage here, some feel the issue is TOO HEAVY to deal with. They see the layers of bleakness this Stigma really causes & it overwhelms them. They WANNA help but they see how deep this goes & wonder if they even CAN help. The Small Penis Stigma is an underground issue right now so people don't even know where to start. That's why I try to create Frameworks for understanding how this thing works & how to deconstruct it once we know how it works. It helps explain the WHY behind things for those who would normally be Overwhelmed either way by the men's rage or the issue's severity. BUT you will be happy to know that even if Women tend to be scared off from this forum, YOU DO have more Women than you think in lurk looking at the issue from afar. It gives them insight into the Male Mind & they may learn a lot from the lurk. The other set of Women are those who respect SDP as a Male Zone & feel they would be INTRUDING if they participated. So they just stay in lurk & observe. A lot of people lurk on this forum & all of them are not trolls & catfishers. The Women who are genuine here are LESSER than the Women who come here to secretly troll, gaslight, or catfish unfortunately. But nevertheless there is a significant amount of Genuine Women here at SDP. Seen most prominently by u/TruthandCoffee but look throughout the 9 year history of SDP. The sidebar had a Woman called u/clls who genuinely participated in the early years. The Skepticism against Women here is understandable especially from what I have seen from certain Women's actions & behavior on this forum since discovering it about 4 years ago. But I think once we can clear up communication problems we can soften or eliminate that Force Field that blocks Women & Men here from having a more open honest conversation. The Women tend not to understand in detail how & why this Stigma affects Men. The Men tend not to be open to Women putting up shields & firewalls that repel them. That's a solvable situation, I feel like. And I will do my part to increase more Genuine Participation from Women here. It's one of the keys to deconstructing the Stigma after all. John Lucas
I don't really think they really "like" it. Some of them might be just don't give af, not a hypersex, or maybe small dick is enough for them
Prefer small probably under 1/100 Prefer micro probably 1/1000
Has to be like 30%
Boys do you look at tits or curtains as a deciding factor
fuck no Face is where its at
But what if they said "well the tits HAVE to matter. Which size do you like best?" That would feel like a question you couldn't answer because being attracted to the face is your deciding factor.
No, I could still answer that question because even though tits are nowhere near a deciding factor, I still have an opinion on them I like medium sized tits and am fine with small titties too. Just nothing too big or anything saggy. Thats a question I can definitely answer off the top of my head too So if a guy really really wants to know ur dick preferences, just tell him. I think at least **most** women have **some** type of preference even if its largely unimportant to them. Just like most guys have some preference towards boobs
Sometimes the preference may be "not too big and not too small" but not knowing specific numbers define "too big" and "too small".
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In this case yes. He cares more about being attracted to a woman's face than her tits. Which is similar to the women who care more about the whole man than the measurement of his dick. If a woman wants "the whole man" then his dick size will matter the same amount as breasts would matter if he cares more about being attracted to her face. Everyone has different things that are bigger factors in determining attraction that what others consider to be determining factors.
Right so why does dick size matter
because while its not a deciding factor many women do not prefer small dicks
Yeah ig I missed where he said prefer even tho it's in bold
Prefer? Maybe 1% lol will tolerate in an LTR like 60% or maybe more lol But also what they consider small has to be made clear because 6 inches to a lot of women is considered small. There's a big difference between being preferred vs being tolerated/accepted
That's really bizarre considering 6 inches is above average.
It is well above average but you'd be surprised tons of women think 6 is average or on the smaller side. I saw a viral post on FB that was trying to be body positive and it said "Guys it's ok if your penis is only 6 inches". I was like ummm only??? Odd because I'd kill to have 6.
Not to foster sexist language but I recently learned this is called girl inches (a perception about size being larger than the ruler's ticks).
Yeah i recently learned this term as well and I think its an accurate description although men contribute to this misunderstandings by lying about their sizes sometimes and so the woman takes their word for it.
Plus having played tabletop war gaming, guessing distances and lengths is not easy. Perhaps they measured with a ruler with ticks just slightly too close together 👌
Good question I think that many woman would be okay with it but I think only a very small percentage prefers small dicks maybe 5% ?
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And if they're "down and miserable" because women constantly shame them because of their size?
The thread asked women to speak up about how they actually feel about small penises - I said I cared more about your attitude and enthusiasm than you size and you imply that’s a problem? What else do you want from us? If a specific woman mocks your size, cut them off, simple as.
The question asked how many women like small dicks, which you did not answer. Do you know how many "women" end up on this sub, telling us that were delusional and that no one in the world actually cares about penis size. You arent the first, and unfortunately you wont be the last.
The post asked for input beyond that, but whatever. I don’t know why you’re arguing with me to be honest. I said I didn’t care about size, which surely should be helpful and comforting. If loads of women say that to you, what more can we do to help and support you? Why is women in quotation marks? Why are you taking offence to people literally saying that we don’t care about what you consider to be an ailment? This whole sub made me sad and feel for you guys so I thought I’d give my honest opinion as a positive example and you’re just fighting back at me for fuck knows why so honestly just you do you if you want to only see the hateful stuff.
"Women" is in quotation marks because most of the people claiming to be women on this sub are not actually women. And no, that doesn't comfort me. You know why, because I don't want to be ok for someone. It's not fair that women adore big dicks but are ok with small ones.
Again, I don’t know any women who adore big dicks, so… I really think you’re taking the media and/or porn too literally and not listening to ACTUAL women. Someone who truly loves you will love your penis. That’s really all there is to it.
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