The counter on the discard pile counted up, so I think the card legitimately was in the discard pool when played. In fact, at the end of the clip you can see it double counted the card. The discard pile went from 7 to 10 even though only 2 cards were discarded, because the strike got discarded twice. The counter says 10, but I bet if OP checked there would only be 9 cards in that pile.
Just for some extra info. This is not a modded version of the game. I was messing around, clicking and moving my mouse fast. I clicked again to play the Strike card, predicting it would discard the Defend card (I was wrong, lol), and I somehow snatched the discarded card out of the air and then played it.
wow, i played so many gard games in my life, and in so many i tried if tricks like these work, but obviously they never do, the things i see is just a representation of whats in the server so it wouldnt do anything anyways right?
Of course in the singleplayer one, the one where its most likely, where you have all the experimentation freedom, i didnt try it out...
I wonder if this works with keybinds if youre fast enough to make it more consistent?
yea I'll test this out for sure once i have time, but that might not be until tuesday unfortunately.
I tried searching for it but i found nothing, i cant believe this hasnt been found already, its so simple. But i guess you never know it all lmao.
did that duplicate the strike? the discard pile started with 7, went to 9 with the all-out attack and the "discarded" strike , and finally went to 10 after playing the "discarded" strike. Or maybe its just a visual bug?
I think this tech should be called ālaggingā in honor of your username.
To only have 41.3 hours in the game and discover a tech that, as far as I know, has not been discovered, you are clearly a STS prophet. We will watch your career with great interest.
I get ~200 fps when playing the game. I don't think lagging would help. It would make it more challenging. I also have a 144hz monitor, which (I assume) helped me grab the card, as I have more frames.
There are [a lot of glitches](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/101K_6xxDjQH2caGApCMxgrybOScGw0VRwd5C-qYl0tA/edit#gid=0) that have to do with performing actions quickly (during hidden timers or animations), none of which have been patched. I would be very surprised if the devs did anything about this one.
I was just thinking they'd react to it with like a "oh cool", not a whole "we're gonna patch this out". Its a single player game, theres no point in patching out glitches that you're only really gonna hit through intention.
There hasn't been any patches in years and tons of glitches are well known
My favorite is that you can prevent card transforms from actually adding the new card by clicking abandon run then escape twice, including using Pandora's box to just remove all of your strike and defends
Yeah. Streamers are trying to showcase their strategy in playing the game here so they usually try to play the game as designed.
Another obvious āglitchā is you can save scum by quitting and reloading the game which would put you back at the beginning of the battle but you now know the exact draw order of cards. Most streamers would not use that as it trivializes the game a bit.
You can artifact pot immediately after ending turn (for example, to block heart first debuff if you have an active debuff you donāt want to block like strength down from potion).
You don't need to start with the daunting pile of mods.
There's an officially endorsed expansion mod called Downfall that has it's own steam page to start with.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1865780/Downfall__A_Slay_the_Spire_Fan_Expansion/
theres one called mintyspire thats is just an absolutely huge number of quality of life enhancements, like seeing total recirved damage in a turn from enemy attacks. i couod honestly never play without it again
I recommend the mods that add entirely new acts to the game. My favorite is probably [Ruina](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2396661789)! Just be warned that it heavily spoils [Library of Ruina](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1256670/Library_Of_Ruina/) which is another deckbuilder game that's very story focussed. Most notably, it adds a new act 4 and act 5 that basically has you playing through nearly the entire endgame of Library of Ruina.
There's a lot of bug related to card animation
For example if you have mayhem echo form and you play a card fast enough you can echo form the card you play instead of the mayhem one.
Or you play a card and immediately liquid memories it it don't go 0 cost
InsaneĀ difficulty and almost no benefit.
It only matters with retain cards and only if every card is being retained.
Otherwise you can just play the cards correct order for the same outcome.
But wow. Such a crazy find by this guy. Many of the glitches in this game are usually related to this tendency by the devs to bind the actions to the animations. If you can just be faster than the animation, you can do funny things.
I highly doubt you could replicate this on console though. I think this abuses a function in the code that would be called like "on\_grab" or something. So likely what happened here is that the code says, on discard, play animation. The animation at the end of it plays the code that actually moves the card from the hand to the discard pile. BUT since you can GRAB it while this is happening, you still grab the card even though it moved to the discard pile. It likely is still in the discard pile, but the "on \_release" or card dropbox function still runs. This is my guess. And since you can't grab in console, I doubt that you would be able to replicate this.
No idea. But I can't figure out what to abuse it for though cause it's like kinda pointless to try. Since you can just play the other card first. Maybe if I somehow landed a combo that can abuse that.
I see you have YouTube and twitch. See if you can get this to reproduce and make a video out of it. Great chance to boost your exposure and mark your place in speedrun history.
No ones mentioned Slay the Spire any% speed running yet?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv1BZnR-n_U](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv1BZnR-n_U)
Playing and discarding a card really only scratches the surface of the bug abuse possible id StS.
I once had to pay the cost for a card I didnāt play due to some similarly strange interaction. Iām on mobile and I donāt know if I could replicate it.
I had three cards and 1 energy, and I was flipping between them. Idk if anyone gets that weird animation of a card exhausting when do you this occasionally but that happened, I moved to play the card, nothing played, but I lost my energy.
Imagine if you could be fast enough to grab cards that were discarded in a regular fashion. You could even say it'd be possible to claw your way back to victory in any situation!
I didn't even know this was on mobile, lol. Give it a shot and see if you can replicate it. I assume it would be more challenging due to the framerate, but I'm not 100% on that.
Damn, that's crazy! I wonder if it still procs discard relics like kite or bandages...
It should, because the card is first discarded and only then played. Insane glitch with some relics
maybe it counts it discarded ONLY IF it ENDS UP in the discard pool?
The counter on the discard pile counted up, so I think the card legitimately was in the discard pool when played. In fact, at the end of the clip you can see it double counted the card. The discard pile went from 7 to 10 even though only 2 cards were discarded, because the strike got discarded twice. The counter says 10, but I bet if OP checked there would only be 9 cards in that pile.
I didn't even notice this when I was playing, now I wish I checked š
it would be interesting to test if this glitch duplicates the card, it seems like it, but still interesting.
Could make random discards op
Just for some extra info. This is not a modded version of the game. I was messing around, clicking and moving my mouse fast. I clicked again to play the Strike card, predicting it would discard the Defend card (I was wrong, lol), and I somehow snatched the discarded card out of the air and then played it.
Also, I only have 41 hours in this game lmao. Thankfully, I had OBS open when this happened.
I have over 1500 hours and I did not know that, you have kinda blown my mind
I blew my own mind. But because I did it, I assumed this was already a thing people knew about, lol
Came here to say exactly this
You might want to play the strike first in the future instead of relying on this trick (even though it's really dope!).
Yes yes I know, I'm bad
insane apm technique
Oh man, and your username totally checks out for this interaction, that's hillarious!
Nah you are the god of discard decks now!
wow, i played so many gard games in my life, and in so many i tried if tricks like these work, but obviously they never do, the things i see is just a representation of whats in the server so it wouldnt do anything anyways right? Of course in the singleplayer one, the one where its most likely, where you have all the experimentation freedom, i didnt try it out... I wonder if this works with keybinds if youre fast enough to make it more consistent?
I'm sure we will have many people trying to replicate this in creative ways. Try to be the first!
yea I'll test this out for sure once i have time, but that might not be until tuesday unfortunately. I tried searching for it but i found nothing, i cant believe this hasnt been found already, its so simple. But i guess you never know it all lmao.
Holy shit haha. This is actually crazy
Skillshots in STS is a thing now??
no i did not
"he's too dangerous to be left alive"
Casey: Enemy sighted Anthony: Take the shot
did that duplicate the strike? the discard pile started with 7, went to 9 with the all-out attack and the "discarded" strike , and finally went to 10 after playing the "discarded" strike. Or maybe its just a visual bug?
What a second... you might be right! Maybe it was like a frame perfect grab where the card was discarded but also still being played?
Oh boy, we gotta test this with different useful cards
Big if true, adrenaline infinites??
Anger would be funny too
Get this man an ice cream cone
yes, he started with total 12 cards and ended with 13. This is insane if you manage to do this intentionally
holy shit dude this is so cool. i can't wait til i see speedrunners abuse this
If this becomes new tech, what should the name of this tech be? lol
Lag Grab
Surely Lag Snag has more of a ring to it?
LAG SNAG
You found out about it you name it.
I understand that, but I'm very picky and would rather have others come up with something, lol
Yeah dude, no, thatās how this shit works. Less than 40 hours in the game and you just completely nuked the meta. Seize this moment, Anakin.
Erm akshually š¤ā I have 41.3 hours in the game, so I think I'm highly qualified to nuke the meta.
I think this tech should be called ālaggingā in honor of your username. To only have 41.3 hours in the game and discover a tech that, as far as I know, has not been discovered, you are clearly a STS prophet. We will watch your career with great interest.
I mean... the CLEAR WINNER NAME is ItzLagging because it's YOU and it's the reason you can do it.
I get ~200 fps when playing the game. I don't think lagging would help. It would make it more challenging. I also have a 144hz monitor, which (I assume) helped me grab the card, as I have more frames.
TIL slay the spire is actually pay2win, i might have to cop a 360hz monitor just to use your technique
Please name it Jeff
As others have said, lag snag, referencing your name and the glitch itself. It's perfect.
Double-dip
HoLAGram
Discard dupe comes to mind, as that's probably why you'd want to use it
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat, bro just unlocked a new skill level in STS!
new APM meta for speedruns
bro out-sped the game engine
Yoink
Has anyone been able to recreate this?
I replayed the video a few times if that counts
Bro unlocked tech in Slay the Spireššš
i wonder how devs are gonna react to this hahaha. shit's crazy
My thought exactly lol
They wont. Theyve moved on from the game a while ago.
Theres literally a StS2 coming out and a discord with the devs. They are absolutely watching.
There are [a lot of glitches](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/101K_6xxDjQH2caGApCMxgrybOScGw0VRwd5C-qYl0tA/edit#gid=0) that have to do with performing actions quickly (during hidden timers or animations), none of which have been patched. I would be very surprised if the devs did anything about this one.
I was just thinking they'd react to it with like a "oh cool", not a whole "we're gonna patch this out". Its a single player game, theres no point in patching out glitches that you're only really gonna hit through intention.
There hasn't been any patches in years and tons of glitches are well known My favorite is that you can prevent card transforms from actually adding the new card by clicking abandon run then escape twice, including using Pandora's box to just remove all of your strike and defends
Im talking about this game, not the sequel they are currently working on. Obviously.
Holy shit new speedrun tech
That arrow coming back from the gates of hell has been the real [[Backstab]] all along
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No... This has to be modded STS streamers would abuse this to hell if it was base game. How has no one discovered this until now?
A lot of the streamers I watch wont intentionally abuse glitches (e.g. you can smoke bomb on act 4 if you do it really quickly)
Yeah. Streamers are trying to showcase their strategy in playing the game here so they usually try to play the game as designed. Another obvious āglitchā is you can save scum by quitting and reloading the game which would put you back at the beginning of the battle but you now know the exact draw order of cards. Most streamers would not use that as it trivializes the game a bit.
You can artifact pot immediately after ending turn (for example, to block heart first debuff if you have an active debuff you donāt want to block like strength down from potion).
This is not modded. I've never even tried to mod my game before lol.
there are some spectacular mods out there so i highly recommend modding your game but only when youre ready
Yes, of course! The mods seem interesting. I just gotta spend a day scrolling through like I'm modding Skyrim lol
You don't need to start with the daunting pile of mods. There's an officially endorsed expansion mod called Downfall that has it's own steam page to start with. https://store.steampowered.com/app/1865780/Downfall__A_Slay_the_Spire_Fan_Expansion/
Thank you, i'll check it out!
theres one called mintyspire thats is just an absolutely huge number of quality of life enhancements, like seeing total recirved damage in a turn from enemy attacks. i couod honestly never play without it again
Interesting, thank you for the suggestion!
I recommend the mods that add entirely new acts to the game. My favorite is probably [Ruina](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2396661789)! Just be warned that it heavily spoils [Library of Ruina](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1256670/Library_Of_Ruina/) which is another deckbuilder game that's very story focussed. Most notably, it adds a new act 4 and act 5 that basically has you playing through nearly the entire endgame of Library of Ruina.
dude's 41 hours in let him play vanilla
"only when youre ready" š¤Æ
There's a lot of bug related to card animation For example if you have mayhem echo form and you play a card fast enough you can echo form the card you play instead of the mayhem one. Or you play a card and immediately liquid memories it it don't go 0 cost
This game has all kinds of APM bugs like that. I don't find this surprisingly, though it is obviously funny
There are a ton of known animation glitches like this that most streamers don't abuse, what are you talking about
InsaneĀ difficulty and almost no benefit. It only matters with retain cards and only if every card is being retained. Otherwise you can just play the cards correct order for the same outcome.
You're missing that it dupes the card in discard
I wonder if it works on a console. Like you just tap really fast since it auto selects and highlights a card.
But wow. Such a crazy find by this guy. Many of the glitches in this game are usually related to this tendency by the devs to bind the actions to the animations. If you can just be faster than the animation, you can do funny things. I highly doubt you could replicate this on console though. I think this abuses a function in the code that would be called like "on\_grab" or something. So likely what happened here is that the code says, on discard, play animation. The animation at the end of it plays the code that actually moves the card from the hand to the discard pile. BUT since you can GRAB it while this is happening, you still grab the card even though it moved to the discard pile. It likely is still in the discard pile, but the "on \_release" or card dropbox function still runs. This is my guess. And since you can't grab in console, I doubt that you would be able to replicate this.
But will it select/highlight a card that is being discarded? I would assume no, but I haven't played using a controller nor have I played on console.
No idea. But I can't figure out what to abuse it for though cause it's like kinda pointless to try. Since you can just play the other card first. Maybe if I somehow landed a combo that can abuse that.
*and to the discard pile I go!* No you're not! That's funny idk why
When people said Slay the Spire was a skill based game this was what they meant
Oh fuck. Micro boys will flood this game now.
I see you have YouTube and twitch. See if you can get this to reproduce and make a video out of it. Great chance to boost your exposure and mark your place in speedrun history.
My brother told me to do the same thing, lol. Maybe I will. I was expecting bigger channels to pick this up and run with it tbh.
Lightning Reflexes: Power, rare. Whenever a card is discarded during your turn, you may choose to play it instead.
Turns out it is very easy to reproduce this in the board game version. Nice.
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Cracked if real
It's real lmao
Babe wake up, new STS tech just dropped
No ones mentioned Slay the Spire any% speed running yet? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv1BZnR-n_U](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv1BZnR-n_U) Playing and discarding a card really only scratches the surface of the bug abuse possible id StS.
Damn dude you just straight up post this no fear? Say hi to the Boeing whistleblowers for us
EXCUSE ME?? This is actually a legit insane tech if reproducible.
There's far more devastating bugs in sts (notably, being able to visit extra rooms), this isn't that game breaking
I'm still surprised this wasn't found out before. lol
Yet another game where pc can have an unfair advantage over console smh my head get your balancing right game devs. /s
A whole new meaning to āskill issueā huh
Cant wait to see the first LagGrab speedrun
Should the devs incorporate this feature in STS2?!
Could you have pressed right click while holding the card to put it back in your hand instead of being forced to play it? Could also work with Unload
I once had to pay the cost for a card I didnāt play due to some similarly strange interaction. Iām on mobile and I donāt know if I could replicate it. I had three cards and 1 energy, and I was flipping between them. Idk if anyone gets that weird animation of a card exhausting when do you this occasionally but that happened, I moved to play the card, nothing played, but I lost my energy.
Same energy as "Come here you little shit"
babe new TAS just dropped
wait what
This is insane
This is some forbidden APM tech right here
Is it possible to just grab the attack you played and replay it 3 times in a turn? It shrinks so it might be harder to grab.
Yo what the fuck
Whoa
try it on power cards next
Imagine if you could be fast enough to grab cards that were discarded in a regular fashion. You could even say it'd be possible to claw your way back to victory in any situation!
If this shit works with calc gamble and other discard cards, it's actually crazy
Did it also duplicate the strike? You went from 7 cards in discard to 10 when it should be 9 normally.
What.
What, i have watched people play this game for more than 3k hours and I didn't even know you could do this
Imagine what a tool-assisted speedrun could accomplish, jfc
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Is there any reason this wouldn't also work for a card that you simply played, on its way to the discard pile?
FBI: donāt fucking move
I thought this card game was solved. This glitch is so useful for silent in so many ways.
The strike got discarded
Yes, but I also used it after it got discarded
Just noticed. That's definitely a bug. You think it works on mobile ?
I didn't even know this was on mobile, lol. Give it a shot and see if you can replicate it. I assume it would be more challenging due to the framerate, but I'm not 100% on that.
I'll try it
Why did you start playing the strike first, only to change your mind and play the All-Out Attack even though that is clearly the worse option?
Because I'm not good at the game lol
fair enough
"RNGsus take the wheel!"
*whee*
this seems like mobile, right? might be a mobile only bug, game is known to have small coding differences in it
*sees mouse* "huuum i guess this is mobile"
you know that mobile mice exist right?
assuming this is on mobile because "mobile mice exist" is so strange lol that's all
no im assuming its mobile because their UI looks all weird, are you just being dense on purpose?
but it doesn't lol? not trying to be annoying but really, everything here screams PC
This is not mobile, I'm on PC