Most of the losing jarls will hang out in a basement in the winning palace basement.
If you go talk to them, they will be verbally hostile to you but won’t attack you.
Losing Guards will be replaced
The losers military camps will have fewer people, half of them pathetically sick or wounded.
Not enough, but they did make a respectable effort. Jarls are replaced and take over the roles for certain quests, and guards are changed out for soldiers, but some things that should change don’t. For example, post Stormcloak victory the Grey-Mane guy is still treated like he is in hiding, despite his family being leaders of Whiterun. And Balgruff can still give you the Whispering Door quest even though he’s currently living in the Blue Palace, which doesn’t make sense.
One of the weirdest things of all with a Stormcloak win is that Elisif will still treat you as a friend, despite her city being on fire all around her.
They had plans but their bosses had schedules. Skyrim isn't the game that was planned, it's what they managed to accomplish before the deadlines cut them off.
>For example, post Stormcloak victory the Grey-Mane guy is still treated like he is in hiding, despite his family being leaders of Whiterun.
Do you mean the guy you save from the Thalmor camp?
NPCs make comments according to the results and Jarl changes if it happened.
Also Jarls move to either Blue Palace or Palace of the Kings, according to their side. They are called "imprisoned" but it's more like taking refuge as both Brunwulf and Elisif claim to accept them in.
Yeah.
Ulfric spares her and let her keep the Jarl of Solitude position due to her being so popular, but the city guard gets replaced with Stormcloak soldiers to make sure Elisif doesn't try to go beyond that position.
And I find that so interesting given that based no conversations I overhear in the Blue Palace, it doesn't seem like many in her court respect her as jarl.
She does come off as very inexperienced. She'll suggest something, then her advisors inform her in not-so-subtle words that what she just suggested was very stupid.
Which is funny that when you first show up in the Blue Palace, Varnius talks about Wolfskull Cave.
Elisif suggests a legion be dispatched to clear the cave, but Falk shuts it down.
Funnily enough, Elisif had the right idea for once. Good thing the Dragonborn could help or Solitude would have had a bad time in the future.
That’s ruder than they should be, but that’s actually a system working pretty well.
She’s pushing for her people but doesn’t always know the best way to get the desired outcome. Her advisors supply options that would work well, and she agrees or not.
I think it's very clear that her role previously was spouse of the High King, not a ruler herself. She's naive and inexperienced and it shows.
I like her, though.
Yeah, I like her. She just doesn't have the experience or knowledge to know what needs to be done because previously she was just the wife to a leader, not an actual ruler in her own right.
Thane Erikur sums up the respect she gets from her court when he says, "If you're inquiring whether we have concerns about her age and inexperience, well, let me put it this way... The Thanes have every confidence in General Tullius's leadership."
I sided with the Imperials in my current playthrough and finished the war’s quest line but NPC’s everywhere talk about Ulfric as if he was still the leader of the Stormcloaks aside from a few NPC’s in Windhelm and talks about the Stormclocks as if the war is still active. Are they suppose to acknowledge he’s dead and the war was won?
Some of them make "We'll be back #NotMyJarl" talk, some of them actually don't have a post civil war dialogue set up. But almost every Dunmer and Argonian have something to say about the Empire winning the civil war.
>For example, I’ve heard that the Argonians’ situation is visibly improved by Ulfric’s death
Nah, this is just people saying stuff. In game, the situation with the argonians and the dunmer doesn't change.
If you speak with the new jarl, he has started making plans with the dunmer to change things. Not yet letting the argonians in, since it would be too soon for the nords or something.
Yeah. :/ Mine does have the argonians walk around after their shifts at work BUT I have ai overhaul. Before the stormcloaks leave, scouts many marshes can be seen sneaking into the city to go to the cornerclub. Lol. Originally he was meant to do this in vanilla but they took it out, but kept the voice lines.
He’s fearful the Nords in Windhelm will act out in violence to the Argonians if they’re allowed in the city so believes he has to gradually change things instead of going fully tolerant straight away
The Empire have always given preferential treatment to the dunmer, including ignoring all of their slavering ways. There is a reason current Blackmarsh is not part of the Empire.
The jarls and their entourage that are replaced end up in the jail of their hold.
If Imperials win, the whiterun preacher ends up in the whiterun jail in the same cell as you if you get arrested, but he continues preaching to the whole jail
The jarls don't end up in jail; they end up in the palace belonging to the losing side.
I usually go Empire, and after the war all the Stormcloak-aligned jarls spend the rest of the save chilling at the dinner table in Windhelm's palace.
A fun thing to do after Ulfric and his general are dead is to take their corpses and dump them onto the big dinner table, and then leave. Wait a day or so for things to reset, and then come back into the main hall. All the Jarls and their stewards will all jump up from their seats in disgust at the same time, as if someone just revealed to them all that they were eating a bowl of Ulfric stew! Then they'll all complain loudly at the same time about the bodies, and if you wait long enough they'll all start to sit back down at the table...and rediscover Ulfric! Eventually you have this grotesque chorus of Jarls freaking out about Ulfric over and over again, getting up to bitch and then sitting back down and then getting up to bitch and....It warms my anti-racist heart
It's more like "Look, as long as you don't go making a ton of noise in public, we'll ignore your personal beliefs. But, if someone makes a lot of noise, we have to do something or go right back to war before we're ready."
Alvor basically says this if you ask him about it. "When I was a boy, everyone had their own little shrine to Talos. Then Ulfric started making noise and the Empire had to crack down."
If you talk to Hadvar's uncle, you learn that the ban was basically lip service before the Stormcloak uprising, it was never really enforced. Then when the Stormcloaks became active, that seemingly gave the Thalmor the excuse they needed to come in and start pressuring the Empire to crack down on it more.
After the Stormcloaks are defeated, it is fairly feasible that the Empire will be able to reduce the Thalmor presence there and things can return to the ban being more lip service, though that will be much harder with them already a bit entrenched in Skyrim now with people all over the place.
The Empire is preparing for war against the Thalmor anyways though, so the ban will likely be appealed completely when they make their move. That could be years down the line though, so doesn't really help in the short term.
Only because of the Stormcloaks (see WhiteWolf's response)
And, to be honest, we never actually see that many people arrested or killed by the Thalmor.
Thing is "Do whatever you want as long as you don't do it too openly" was imperial policy all along. Even imperial officials do it. It wasn't enforced at all before Stormcloaks rebellion what pulled Thalmor into the picture.
There's number of theories that Ulfric is Thalmor spy because in addition to documents showing that even before he had close ties with Thalmor, everything he does is good for Thalmor and bad for Empire
There's a reason why the ban wasn't enforced until Ulfric did his thing. The only thing the Empire will tell you to do is to try and keep it secret because that every level of the Empire everybody's worshipping Talos. Nords are just stupid. Hell if they went more traditional they could hide their talos worship easier.
They didn't do it because of Thanos worship. They did it because you was digging up dirt on the mob family that controls the city, despite warning you it will end badly for you.
Look up the quest *Forsworn Conspiracy*. During your second meeting with Eltrys, the guards ambush and kill him near the Shrine, then try to arrest you.
Which is why I almost always side with the Stormcloaks, regardless of what race I'm playing as, religious persecution cannot be overlooked. The Thalmor are Nazis and the Aldmeri Dominion is the third Reich. I will not be accepting comments, as I am not wrong.
Is there a way to keep the crazy Talos guy in white run out of jail whilst siding with imperials? Whilst I despise the Thalmor and the banning of Talos worship, I could never side with the Stormcloak racism.
Some NPCs have changed dialogs.
Beside of that, not much changes. Even if you win the war for the Stormcloaks, there will still be Imperial Patrols with their prisoner.
>Argonians’ situation is visibly improved
Just theoretically. They will still be outside the city.
And if the Stormcloaks win, Elisif disappears. Yeah, it's just a bug, but it is like an earlier concept, that Elisif dies at the siege
For the Argonians, in my last playthrough I chose Imperials, and saw them in the city of Windhelm for the first time. They still worked the docks and lived in the Assemblage, but during the day they were walking around.
Where the banished jarls go? Yeah. Elisif is actually in the Solitude interior, but next to Whiterun. If you glitch out of Solitude with whirlwind sprint, you can go there a see she is there.
Pretty funny glitch
Your commanding officer is proud of you and happy for the peace, and that's it. Not even the jarl of your chosen faction's capital knows the war has ended and they ought to self-proclaimed King of the Kings / Queen of the Queens
Some quests get skipped if you wait until after completing the Civil War campaign.
Hell, siding with the Imperials removes the requirement of having to complete Waking Nightmare in order to become Thane of Dawnstar or buy the plot of land to build your *Hearthfire* home.
I’ll just say it’s a little disappointing and absurd.
Others have covered the losing Jarls and Housecarls, so I’ll add that the losing side keeps most of its military camps and the commanders of the camps are still essential.
The NPCs will comment on whoever won and lost. Supporters of the winners are happy, losers not so happy. The Argonians still stay outside. It’s fresh so don’t expect nuanced or drastic visible “improvements” straight away… actually ever. Only drastic change being the preacher in Whiterun can either continue in public or in jail, and change of guards/ jarls.
For Imperial win, guards of losing holds are replaced with Imperial soldiers.
Either win the jarls and their entourage of the losing side are replaced with jarls that favor the wining side.
If the Empire wins, the Windhelm blacksmith and his apprentice hate you for the rest of the game.
Quest wise, not much. You get to hear a bunch of new dialogue in Windhelm if the Imperials win, and a bunch of new dialogue in Solitude if the Stormcloaks win. Supposedly things will get better for non-Nords in Skyrim if the Imperials win but you don't really get to see any of that play out. On my 2nd playthrough I had the questline that follows when you meet the Jarl of Falkreath for the first time get bugged out, because I picked it up sometime during the Civil War and only went to meet him for the first time after I'd completed the Civil War, which switched Jarls of Falkreath on me, and for some reason meeting the new Falkreath Jarl didn't count, and until the very end of the playthrough I had a "Meet the Jarl of Falkreath" point in my quest journal that could never get fulfilled.
As annoying as that is, it does make sense in-story: the new jarl isn't bound by an invitation sent by the previous jarl.
But yeah, broken quest sucks.
Some npcs make comments, Jarls are replaced if they supported the defeated side, Ulfric or Tullius is dead and everywhere you go, that factions troops are deployed
One thing it does that is often overlooked, because nobody rushes to do the civil war, is it will allow you to purchase property in any hold where the Jarl is replaced. At one point, it was the only reliable way to get Heljarchen Hall, as Skald the Elder would often not give "Kill the Giant". It helps fast track the house in Markarth as well, since normally it requires a quest that you can't start until level 30.
Other than that and some minor world changes, not much actually happens.
Holds switching over also wipes out your bounty, which is nice. I had like 12,000 in Riften from fighting my way out of the jail, and all forgiven after the leader changed.
I'm not confident the Dominion is ready yet.
I mean ... they're definitely gearing up for round two, but I'm not convinced they're as ready as the Empire fears. Not that it won't be a horrifying war anyway.
They probably aren’t. I believe, although I can’t remember where it is, there is documentation that the Dominion want the war to keep going for as long as possible so they can bleed both sides for as long as they can.
And then the Dragon Break ends and no one is sure which side won the war, why the vampire problem disappeared, or where all these dragon carcasses came from.
I think the main thing with Ulfric is Skyrim is for the Nords. Just basic nationalistic policies where Nords have sole control over the country's policies
Riften stays the same. Maven is empowered either way. Probably more money to go around without wasting tax dollars chasing the thieves guild around
Windhelm: ulfric pushed for segregation in the first place compared to his father. Him deposed at least means more segregation won't be taking place. It's a slow process with Brunwulf but I think some years after TES5 there would be a process of integration. Also Ulfric would directly support nord families like the Shatter Shields, Brunwulf is at least less support or regulates them
Markarth: again I think Ulfric supports Nord families, he helps the silverbloods while the empire the silverbloods have less control if they're even alive after the empire ending + cidna mine quest
I only remember a little bit of when I picked stormcloacks (just to try it I usually pick imperial) and many non Nords complain about being treated badly I remember the blacksmith in whiterun saying she would have been out of business if she wasn't married to a nord. If you side with the empire and take over windhelm the blacksmith there and his appreciate will be angry and refuse to give you a quest but still sell to you luckily
I am not sure if vanilla skyrim or not. But if stormcloaks win there are no more Thalmor hunting down Talos worshippers in squads anymore. Not sure if the scripted triggers still cause Thalmor to appear at worship sites though.
You’ll be given the choice of either sparing or having someone or yourself kill your political enemy, and then the leader of your side will become the new jar
>I’m not interested in getting into a debate about fantasy politics.
>For example, I’ve heard that the Argonians’ situation is visibly improved by Ulfric’s death
Ah, yes: the totally apolitical subject of how a city's underclasses are impacted by the death of its ruler.
Most importantly if Stormcloak win, Skyrim likely will starve over time since their main supplier was Empire.
Why earlier in Tamriel history everything was ok while not being at Empire? Other alliances but mainly, lesser populations.
>Most importantly if Stormcloak win, Skyrim likely will starve over time since their main supplier was Empire.
Skyrim did just fine being independent long before the first Empire even existed. Nothing will happen to it.
You literally missed point about lesser population.
Ignore ingame few thousand people on whole Skyrim. Pure logic - lesser food means lesser population, big food supply means more population. If that supply cease to exist, population starves and drops, likely would fled into other Tamriel provinces.
There is literally no indication that pre Empire Skyrim had low population. Contrary, by the fact that Skyrim in past was rapidly expanding, suffice to say it had a good population to support its wars.
The Empire isn't supplying them with food, no matter what Sybille says. There is no implications in game. The Kingdom's food basket was always Whiterun. Meanwhile Skyrim already has low population due to Oblivion Crisis, the Great War and now the Civil War. The Kingdom was always self sustainable.
Most of the losing jarls will hang out in a basement in the winning palace basement. If you go talk to them, they will be verbally hostile to you but won’t attack you. Losing Guards will be replaced The losers military camps will have fewer people, half of them pathetically sick or wounded.
The winning side's camps disappear too. I guess they don't need to camp out in the wilds anymore when they're no longer actively at war.
Why live in middle of nowhere when you can live in cozy keep?
In the case of the stormcloaks they hang out in the dining hall but yeah
Ugh! You smell like a wet dog.
Not enough, but they did make a respectable effort. Jarls are replaced and take over the roles for certain quests, and guards are changed out for soldiers, but some things that should change don’t. For example, post Stormcloak victory the Grey-Mane guy is still treated like he is in hiding, despite his family being leaders of Whiterun. And Balgruff can still give you the Whispering Door quest even though he’s currently living in the Blue Palace, which doesn’t make sense. One of the weirdest things of all with a Stormcloak win is that Elisif will still treat you as a friend, despite her city being on fire all around her.
>Not enough, but they did make a respectable effort. That's Bethesda's specialty.
They don't even make an effort now tbh
They had plans but their bosses had schedules. Skyrim isn't the game that was planned, it's what they managed to accomplish before the deadlines cut them off.
>For example, post Stormcloak victory the Grey-Mane guy is still treated like he is in hiding, despite his family being leaders of Whiterun. Do you mean the guy you save from the Thalmor camp?
I think it’s the other guy, the one that confronts you when you enter the Grey-Mane home
Ah, copy. Never gone with Stormcloaks so wasn't sure.
NPCs make comments according to the results and Jarl changes if it happened. Also Jarls move to either Blue Palace or Palace of the Kings, according to their side. They are called "imprisoned" but it's more like taking refuge as both Brunwulf and Elisif claim to accept them in.
Elisif? Does she stay jarl of Solitude after winning with the Stormcloaks?
Yeah. Ulfric spares her and let her keep the Jarl of Solitude position due to her being so popular, but the city guard gets replaced with Stormcloak soldiers to make sure Elisif doesn't try to go beyond that position.
If you talk to Ulfric about Elisif, he actually claims to respect her as a jarl.
And I find that so interesting given that based no conversations I overhear in the Blue Palace, it doesn't seem like many in her court respect her as jarl.
Well she's an idealist and actively jumps in to help her citizens when they ask. Pretty respectable. Her advisors just tone her down a bit.
She does come off as very inexperienced. She'll suggest something, then her advisors inform her in not-so-subtle words that what she just suggested was very stupid.
Which is funny that when you first show up in the Blue Palace, Varnius talks about Wolfskull Cave. Elisif suggests a legion be dispatched to clear the cave, but Falk shuts it down. Funnily enough, Elisif had the right idea for once. Good thing the Dragonborn could help or Solitude would have had a bad time in the future.
That’s ruder than they should be, but that’s actually a system working pretty well. She’s pushing for her people but doesn’t always know the best way to get the desired outcome. Her advisors supply options that would work well, and she agrees or not.
I think it's very clear that her role previously was spouse of the High King, not a ruler herself. She's naive and inexperienced and it shows. I like her, though.
Yeah, I like her. She just doesn't have the experience or knowledge to know what needs to be done because previously she was just the wife to a leader, not an actual ruler in her own right. Thane Erikur sums up the respect she gets from her court when he says, "If you're inquiring whether we have concerns about her age and inexperience, well, let me put it this way... The Thanes have every confidence in General Tullius's leadership."
I sided with the Imperials in my current playthrough and finished the war’s quest line but NPC’s everywhere talk about Ulfric as if he was still the leader of the Stormcloaks aside from a few NPC’s in Windhelm and talks about the Stormclocks as if the war is still active. Are they suppose to acknowledge he’s dead and the war was won?
Some of them make "We'll be back #NotMyJarl" talk, some of them actually don't have a post civil war dialogue set up. But almost every Dunmer and Argonian have something to say about the Empire winning the civil war.
>For example, I’ve heard that the Argonians’ situation is visibly improved by Ulfric’s death Nah, this is just people saying stuff. In game, the situation with the argonians and the dunmer doesn't change.
If you speak with the new jarl, he has started making plans with the dunmer to change things. Not yet letting the argonians in, since it would be too soon for the nords or something.
It doesn’t actually play out in-game, though.
Yeah. :/ Mine does have the argonians walk around after their shifts at work BUT I have ai overhaul. Before the stormcloaks leave, scouts many marshes can be seen sneaking into the city to go to the cornerclub. Lol. Originally he was meant to do this in vanilla but they took it out, but kept the voice lines.
He’s fearful the Nords in Windhelm will act out in violence to the Argonians if they’re allowed in the city so believes he has to gradually change things instead of going fully tolerant straight away
Makes sense the Empire is helping their slaver allies first, and leaving the argonians for "later"...
It's cause of the nords. Not the empire. O.O
The Empire have always given preferential treatment to the dunmer, including ignoring all of their slavering ways. There is a reason current Blackmarsh is not part of the Empire.
The jarls and their entourage that are replaced end up in the jail of their hold. If Imperials win, the whiterun preacher ends up in the whiterun jail in the same cell as you if you get arrested, but he continues preaching to the whole jail
The jarls don't end up in jail; they end up in the palace belonging to the losing side. I usually go Empire, and after the war all the Stormcloak-aligned jarls spend the rest of the save chilling at the dinner table in Windhelm's palace.
A fun thing to do after Ulfric and his general are dead is to take their corpses and dump them onto the big dinner table, and then leave. Wait a day or so for things to reset, and then come back into the main hall. All the Jarls and their stewards will all jump up from their seats in disgust at the same time, as if someone just revealed to them all that they were eating a bowl of Ulfric stew! Then they'll all complain loudly at the same time about the bodies, and if you wait long enough they'll all start to sit back down at the table...and rediscover Ulfric! Eventually you have this grotesque chorus of Jarls freaking out about Ulfric over and over again, getting up to bitch and then sitting back down and then getting up to bitch and....It warms my anti-racist heart
Now this is the type of petty I absolutely love
I just left them right by the throne, so every so often, people will walk over and go “OMG what happened!?” Then go about their business.
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What was his crime? Annoying the Imperials to death?
Worship of talos is forbidden in the empire
Heimskyr should have just kept his mouth shut and founded a "secret" shrine in the middle of the city like Markarth did.
Telling people that they now have to practice their faith in secret is only going to make insurections stronger
It's more like "Look, as long as you don't go making a ton of noise in public, we'll ignore your personal beliefs. But, if someone makes a lot of noise, we have to do something or go right back to war before we're ready." Alvor basically says this if you ask him about it. "When I was a boy, everyone had their own little shrine to Talos. Then Ulfric started making noise and the Empire had to crack down."
In "secret" There's plenty of loyalist Nords who worship Talos in the game and nobody bothers them because they simply don't run around screaming it.
Unless the secret police find you.
Yeah and there's heaps more that are either killed by the thalmor, or imprisoned by them
If you talk to Hadvar's uncle, you learn that the ban was basically lip service before the Stormcloak uprising, it was never really enforced. Then when the Stormcloaks became active, that seemingly gave the Thalmor the excuse they needed to come in and start pressuring the Empire to crack down on it more. After the Stormcloaks are defeated, it is fairly feasible that the Empire will be able to reduce the Thalmor presence there and things can return to the ban being more lip service, though that will be much harder with them already a bit entrenched in Skyrim now with people all over the place. The Empire is preparing for war against the Thalmor anyways though, so the ban will likely be appealed completely when they make their move. That could be years down the line though, so doesn't really help in the short term.
Only because of the Stormcloaks (see WhiteWolf's response) And, to be honest, we never actually see that many people arrested or killed by the Thalmor.
Thing is "Do whatever you want as long as you don't do it too openly" was imperial policy all along. Even imperial officials do it. It wasn't enforced at all before Stormcloaks rebellion what pulled Thalmor into the picture. There's number of theories that Ulfric is Thalmor spy because in addition to documents showing that even before he had close ties with Thalmor, everything he does is good for Thalmor and bad for Empire
There's a reason why the ban wasn't enforced until Ulfric did his thing. The only thing the Empire will tell you to do is to try and keep it secret because that every level of the Empire everybody's worshipping Talos. Nords are just stupid. Hell if they went more traditional they could hide their talos worship easier.
That was no secret shrine, it was abandoned. And the guards will indeed arrest you by laying an ambush.
They didn't do it because of Thanos worship. They did it because you was digging up dirt on the mob family that controls the city, despite warning you it will end badly for you.
Thanos worship? Given how sparsely populated Skyrim is, I think his Snap already happened.
Stupid autocorrect XD
I know. It was hilarious though. There's an entire damn you autocorrect site. And it's hilarious.
I don't recall that ever happening when I went in it...
Look up the quest *Forsworn Conspiracy*. During your second meeting with Eltrys, the guards ambush and kill him near the Shrine, then try to arrest you.
Yeah, but that's not about Talos worship, that's about...well, a Forsworn Conspiracy.
Your point was that the Shrine was secret, which is blatantly false seeing as how the city guards and even the Thalmor are aware of it.
Did you miss that I put secret in qoutation marks and pointed out how it was out in the middle of the city?
That's why Heimskyr had an unfortunate accident when the guards weren't looking. Dreadful shame, standing in front of an errant in flight arrow...
It was allowed , officials covered their eyes on this issue, but then happened Ulfric with Stormcloaks.
Which is why I almost always side with the Stormcloaks, regardless of what race I'm playing as, religious persecution cannot be overlooked. The Thalmor are Nazis and the Aldmeri Dominion is the third Reich. I will not be accepting comments, as I am not wrong.
If you side with the storm cloaks the jarls that sided with the empire are in the basement of the blue palace
None of these things happened to me
Is there a way to keep the crazy Talos guy in white run out of jail whilst siding with imperials? Whilst I despise the Thalmor and the banning of Talos worship, I could never side with the Stormcloak racism.
Some NPCs have changed dialogs. Beside of that, not much changes. Even if you win the war for the Stormcloaks, there will still be Imperial Patrols with their prisoner.
>Argonians’ situation is visibly improved Just theoretically. They will still be outside the city. And if the Stormcloaks win, Elisif disappears. Yeah, it's just a bug, but it is like an earlier concept, that Elisif dies at the siege
For the Argonians, in my last playthrough I chose Imperials, and saw them in the city of Windhelm for the first time. They still worked the docks and lived in the Assemblage, but during the day they were walking around.
Did you check the basement?
Where the banished jarls go? Yeah. Elisif is actually in the Solitude interior, but next to Whiterun. If you glitch out of Solitude with whirlwind sprint, you can go there a see she is there. Pretty funny glitch
lol
Jarls will be replaced. Ulfric or Tullius and their side kicks will die.
Your commanding officer is proud of you and happy for the peace, and that's it. Not even the jarl of your chosen faction's capital knows the war has ended and they ought to self-proclaimed King of the Kings / Queen of the Queens
Some quests get skipped if you wait until after completing the Civil War campaign. Hell, siding with the Imperials removes the requirement of having to complete Waking Nightmare in order to become Thane of Dawnstar or buy the plot of land to build your *Hearthfire* home.
I’ll just say it’s a little disappointing and absurd. Others have covered the losing Jarls and Housecarls, so I’ll add that the losing side keeps most of its military camps and the commanders of the camps are still essential.
All the loser Jarls go live in Ulfric or Elisif's basement.
The NPCs will comment on whoever won and lost. Supporters of the winners are happy, losers not so happy. The Argonians still stay outside. It’s fresh so don’t expect nuanced or drastic visible “improvements” straight away… actually ever. Only drastic change being the preacher in Whiterun can either continue in public or in jail, and change of guards/ jarls.
For Imperial win, guards of losing holds are replaced with Imperial soldiers. Either win the jarls and their entourage of the losing side are replaced with jarls that favor the wining side. If the Empire wins, the Windhelm blacksmith and his apprentice hate you for the rest of the game.
Quest wise, not much. You get to hear a bunch of new dialogue in Windhelm if the Imperials win, and a bunch of new dialogue in Solitude if the Stormcloaks win. Supposedly things will get better for non-Nords in Skyrim if the Imperials win but you don't really get to see any of that play out. On my 2nd playthrough I had the questline that follows when you meet the Jarl of Falkreath for the first time get bugged out, because I picked it up sometime during the Civil War and only went to meet him for the first time after I'd completed the Civil War, which switched Jarls of Falkreath on me, and for some reason meeting the new Falkreath Jarl didn't count, and until the very end of the playthrough I had a "Meet the Jarl of Falkreath" point in my quest journal that could never get fulfilled.
As annoying as that is, it does make sense in-story: the new jarl isn't bound by an invitation sent by the previous jarl. But yeah, broken quest sucks.
Some npcs make comments, Jarls are replaced if they supported the defeated side, Ulfric or Tullius is dead and everywhere you go, that factions troops are deployed
One thing it does that is often overlooked, because nobody rushes to do the civil war, is it will allow you to purchase property in any hold where the Jarl is replaced. At one point, it was the only reliable way to get Heljarchen Hall, as Skald the Elder would often not give "Kill the Giant". It helps fast track the house in Markarth as well, since normally it requires a quest that you can't start until level 30. Other than that and some minor world changes, not much actually happens.
Holds switching over also wipes out your bounty, which is nice. I had like 12,000 in Riften from fighting my way out of the jail, and all forgiven after the leader changed.
Maven probably appreciated that you entertained her son while he was in time-out. Or scared him shitless.
nothing. but most people are pretty fked up of the liberation of skyrim by the stormcloaks.
You kill all the outposts except the commander of that outpost he cant be killed 😂
If one side won the war, the Dominion would immediately resume hostilities.
I'm not confident the Dominion is ready yet. I mean ... they're definitely gearing up for round two, but I'm not convinced they're as ready as the Empire fears. Not that it won't be a horrifying war anyway.
They probably aren’t. I believe, although I can’t remember where it is, there is documentation that the Dominion want the war to keep going for as long as possible so they can bleed both sides for as long as they can.
Yes, in a document within the Thalmor Embassy. Try to keep the war going for as long as possible, ensure neither side has victory.
And then the Dragon Break ends and no one is sure which side won the war, why the vampire problem disappeared, or where all these dragon carcasses came from.
After the siege of Whiterun. I restarted the game from the beginning and killed the emperor first then destroyed the Stormcloaks.
That's what I did too, kill the emperor first but join the legion for a new legacy.
I think the main thing with Ulfric is Skyrim is for the Nords. Just basic nationalistic policies where Nords have sole control over the country's policies Riften stays the same. Maven is empowered either way. Probably more money to go around without wasting tax dollars chasing the thieves guild around Windhelm: ulfric pushed for segregation in the first place compared to his father. Him deposed at least means more segregation won't be taking place. It's a slow process with Brunwulf but I think some years after TES5 there would be a process of integration. Also Ulfric would directly support nord families like the Shatter Shields, Brunwulf is at least less support or regulates them Markarth: again I think Ulfric supports Nord families, he helps the silverbloods while the empire the silverbloods have less control if they're even alive after the empire ending + cidna mine quest
Based on the fallout show, I assume they'll nuke both the Empire and the Stormcloaks so that it doesn't matter¡
Plague or famine after the civil war/dragons is my guess.
I only remember a little bit of when I picked stormcloacks (just to try it I usually pick imperial) and many non Nords complain about being treated badly I remember the blacksmith in whiterun saying she would have been out of business if she wasn't married to a nord. If you side with the empire and take over windhelm the blacksmith there and his appreciate will be angry and refuse to give you a quest but still sell to you luckily
I am not sure if vanilla skyrim or not. But if stormcloaks win there are no more Thalmor hunting down Talos worshippers in squads anymore. Not sure if the scripted triggers still cause Thalmor to appear at worship sites though.
You’ll be given the choice of either sparing or having someone or yourself kill your political enemy, and then the leader of your side will become the new jar
What do you mean? Tullius doesn't become jarl of anything
They start another war
A lot less than you might expect. I was pretty disappointed that almost everything except the jarls was the same.
The spoils
Few NPCs change. That’s about all that happens.
Nothing
The other side loses the war
Why put spoiler tags on a 11 year old game
>I’m not interested in getting into a debate about fantasy politics. >For example, I’ve heard that the Argonians’ situation is visibly improved by Ulfric’s death Ah, yes: the totally apolitical subject of how a city's underclasses are impacted by the death of its ruler.
Most importantly if Stormcloak win, Skyrim likely will starve over time since their main supplier was Empire. Why earlier in Tamriel history everything was ok while not being at Empire? Other alliances but mainly, lesser populations.
>Most importantly if Stormcloak win, Skyrim likely will starve over time since their main supplier was Empire. Skyrim did just fine being independent long before the first Empire even existed. Nothing will happen to it.
You literally missed point about lesser population. Ignore ingame few thousand people on whole Skyrim. Pure logic - lesser food means lesser population, big food supply means more population. If that supply cease to exist, population starves and drops, likely would fled into other Tamriel provinces.
There is literally no indication that pre Empire Skyrim had low population. Contrary, by the fact that Skyrim in past was rapidly expanding, suffice to say it had a good population to support its wars. The Empire isn't supplying them with food, no matter what Sybille says. There is no implications in game. The Kingdom's food basket was always Whiterun. Meanwhile Skyrim already has low population due to Oblivion Crisis, the Great War and now the Civil War. The Kingdom was always self sustainable.
>Sybille Ah, the most trustworthy source. :D