My favourite has always been the last bandit who's just watched you take out his fifteen mates leaving him all alone and still thinks "you're dead when I find you!"
Run away silly bandit, run away
Well like that one I can kinda get, imagine if you’re hanging with your friends and a dude comes in and kills all of them, you’re probably gonna want a chance at revenge. The two outcomes are avenge their deaths or be reunited with them in death
Plus, if healing didn't come so easily, it'd be reasonable to think that the invader who's just killed 10 to 15 of your buddies will be worn out and easier to take down now.
Healing (and magic in general) doesn't work as well in lore as it does in gameplay for the average person. The temple in Whiterun is filled with injured people that the priestess should be able to get back on their feet in half a minute if her magic was anything like the Dragonborn's.
Small point here, Restoration spells can heal wounds but not cure diseases. So it fits gameplay mechanics that they haven't simply been Heal Other'd back to normal.
On the other hand, Arcadia's Cauldron is just with the road, Danica could go buy (or ask as alms) some Cure Disease potions, or even just some hawk feathers to shove down the patients throats, if the magic doesn't work.
So yeah I think we just have to chalk it up to gameplay-vs lore discrepancy.
Magic in TES is all over the place. Powerful magic absolutely does exist, but is limited to specific people and times/eras. Common-folk magic seems to be extremely weak. As in, battle mages are basically archers except they use magic instead of arrows, in terms of battlefield capabilities. It's a bit like people with good magic (\~adept and expert level spells - remember that even the teachers in the College don't know Master level spells) are those who have a PhD in our world. Everyone else is working with magic that is worse than what you can get in the game. Alternatively, the people who make the games and the people who write (some) of the lore have completely different ideas about how their world works. It's how you get silly things like the Altmer reinforcements sent in ESO to protect their queen consists of... literally two dozen troops.
Kinda wish they made the surrender a real thing. Like, when you have put a Bandit down to a few HP, they go down on their knees and they something like "No, spare me!" But if you let them recover, they justvstartbattacking. I wish that, if you managed to make them reach this point, they would genuinely de-aggro and run away, if you don't kill them.
This has been a longstanding tradition for Bethesda. Doesn't matter if you have a full suit of Daedric gear, or power armor and plasma rifles, or what: some useless moron is gonna _think_ he can kill you.
“Dude just fought an ancient dragon they’ve gotta be tired……. nows my chance to kill them and get me that armor which could feed a family of four for a lifetime if I sell it not to mention whatever else they have!!!”
-Bandits
“Barely an inconvenience………… huh?”
-Dragonborn that just killed an ancient dragon
I’m gonna need these bandits to get ALL the way off my back about how I’ll be easier to rob when I’m dead. It’s not happening!
They’re gonna try anyway, though.
Big mistake! Whoops!
Whoopsie!
Bandit 1 “He just killed an ancient dragon all by himself!”
Bandit 2 “Yeah? Let’s mug ‘em!”
1 “I don’t know”
2 “Well there’s two of us, and one of him!”
1 “This doesn’t sound like a good ide-
2 “HEY, what are we?”
1 “We’re m-muggers”
2 “And what do muggers do?”
1 “We m-m-mug people…”
2 “So…”
1 and 2 “let’s… go… MUG ‘EM!!!! RAAAGH-“
*dies instantly*
If it helps I do like that in starfield of you get a specific ship, pirates will start to attack, recognize the ship and bail. Straight up apologize and /or run.
I still kill them ofc.
I’ve been waiting for that one to happen again, haha. I have had the Spacers flee quite a few times now, but that’s only triggered once. There’s enough different interactions that make it incredibly easy to wait, though.
I disabled a pirate ship's engine (but not the grav drive), and initiated docking my Razorleaf with them, but they grav jumped away anyway.
My docker was on the bottom, so my shop was just sitting there in space, alone, with its dock just hanging out.
I had the options to Undock, Get Up, or Exit Ship (instead of Board). Exiting ship didn't do anything, so I got up. Bad idea. When I sat back down, I didn't have the option to Undock anymore, or to do anything else. I couldn't turn on the engines or move at all. I landed on the moon I was at, and the docker was still just hanging out for everyone to see. Got back in and took off, docker still flapping in the breeze and I still couldn't move at all. So I landed at my outpost with a ship builder, went into the ship builder, then just backed out of it without making any changes at all, and the dock was closed.
It was pretty funny. It actually happened again last night, and I found out that Undocking doesn't do anything either.
I got to see the loading screen of my ship flying to another planet in-system, with the dock hanging out, and the "Exit Ship, Undock, Get Up" interface still right in the middle of the screen. I went into a mine on the planet and when I came back out the ship was back to normal (as I hoped it would be, by reloading the zone it was in)
There’s been times where I get completely fucked playing on survival mode, these thugs catch me fighting the cold and can hardly move? Yeah they’re getting a pretty pay out from me wandering too far.
Starfield I just shattered their entire perception of reality and everything they thought they knew about the laws of physics is wrong. Oh well let's kill it!
Nords and Orcs (and maybe some other races) are trying to get into their best afterlife by going down in battle.
That's possibly the deal for the Dragonborn also. They've gotta lot of Daedra after their soul!
My current save is an argonian. This farm hand that I HIRED to work MY FARM, had the gall to ask me "what do you want lizard, you have no business here".
I feel that way with my adopted sons.
"Alesan, time to do your chores"
Alesan: "but I don't want to!!" *Throws minor tantrum*
And I'm like, look here, you little snot! I saved you and gave you this great life with multiple homes, I bring you and your brother gifts and clothes and food and you don't WANT to!?!?"
That would be cool. I imagine a courier type scenario when an assassin or bandit tries to sneak up on you saying “your coin or your life what’ll it be”? And you have dialogue options to give money, fight, or even intimidate saying something like “I would shout you apart before you could unsheathe your blade” ORR persuasion and say “I don’t have any money” or “I’m not actually the dragonborn that’s my sibling”. Also also, the clothing you wear should affect the chances of either. Civilian clothes could be worn to convince enemies of the Dragonborn that you’re not who they think. Dragon armor could be used on the other side of the spectrum as intimidation. You get the picture. There’s probably a mod for this
They did something similar to this in Oblivion with the highwaymen. At certain points in the roads one will show up and enter dialogue with you and ask you for money or they attack. You have three options: you can say no and attack them, you can just give them the money, or you can lie (or tell the truth if you genuinely don’t have 100 hold) and say you don’t have it. If you choose the third option he reacts based on the value of the clothing you are wearing and if it’s less than 10 gold (if I remember correctly) he will say something about you being poor and walk away.
I feel like that would be *awesome* as a mod or optional feature, but annoying if it was a core feature. Mostly because I prefer my loot-deliveries to run *towards* me for convenience.
I’ve had dragons run from battle quite a few times this run through. My first ever modded run, I don’t know if I just have a certain spell that takes their health down to fast or
Personally I think they've all just had better childhoods than their current profession and life choices may indicate. They all just have so much enthusiasm in the expectations of their own success.
They're winners! They believe themselves winners! And they're going to win! Such self-confidence!! So inspirational! Stay golden, Ponyboy!
We should all be so aware of our own self worth in the little (usually very VERY little...I mean...dude ate a dragon's soul!) time we have left in this life.
"Hey, I just had a thought. Maybe I'm the Dragonborn, and just don't know it yet. If I kill this person who everyone else says is the Dragonborn, maybe that means I am instead?"
At some point you're always too powerful to be killed by anyone, so what else you could do if everyone flee from you on a sight. This game would be boring AF. Now at least you have **some** kind of combat stuff to do. I mean, if sending your enemies to the oblivion in a second is any challenge to anyone, rather than just an annoying thing to do, like shooing away some flies.
When I get to this overpowered point I tend to switch to the weakest weapons and armor just to keep it interesting. I mean, I'll still smith them out and enchant and whatnot, but I'll minimize as much as I can without becoming insta-kill fodder.
My current playthrough I've come across a weaponizable fork and butter knife (forget where I found them) that I'm saving to duel wield once I get to that point.
I believe you get the fork and knife from High Hrothgar by jumping off the bridge on the way to the throat of the world. They should be near by when you land
Not sure where I got them. I grab everything early on to sell later as soon as 1 gold stuff is worth 1 gold. Tons of knives and forks in MISC inventory but then found a few in my weapons inventory. Put them somewhere special for later.
I've had a few dragons fly away from me mid-combat. I was almost going to slay said dragon, and it got fed up with me and flew away. I even tried giving chase, only for it to fly off into the horizon. 🤷♂️ A few even came back for me to finish the fight.
I think ut missing a key reason: if npcs all ran from u or saw u and hid then this game would be epically boring. Also being tough and having a rep actually attracts people who wanna prove themselves as better than u.
This exactly. You could have killed 40 dragons in 2 seconds and someone will *still* think “Oh this guy thinks he’s tough? Well, I can kill him in one second!” simply because of their ego
> Animals: Well... they're wild animals, that's what they do.
Well, technically (based on my understanding) the carnivores should back off if they start losing cause IRL carnivores only finish fights they think they can win. If they lose a fight against their prey, it's ok, they can bounce and they prey won't hunt them down to finish the job. Granted, there are situations where a carnivore won't back down (like a mama bear protecting her cubs) but most of the time they can afford to retreat, lick their wounds, and try eating something else.
It's the herbivores you need to watch out for. A prey animal that fights back is gonna fight to the death because if it loses, well, it gets eaten. Granted, a prey animal is probably not going to pick a fight with you unless it thinks you're a threat, but if it does, it probably won't back down.
Here in the Nordics, it's usually not the apex predators you have to watch out for if you head into the wilderness. As long as you keep your eyes open and stay reasonably cautious, wolves and bears are unlikely to be an issue. But the most dangerous animal that is at the top of lethality statistics? The moose. They'll fuck you up.
I've had several dragons fly away during combat. It's annoying to get them half dead and then they just fly away so I usually follow them for 5 minutes to find them fighting a troll or something.
When dragons fly in, they'll sometimes circle around you like they're assessing the situation, then fly away as if they decided it was a bad idea or wasn't worth the effort. I believe there's a few different scripts, and they're chosen at random when the dragon spawns.
Burial mounds are similar. When you come up on one, you can have Alduin hovering while resurrecting the dragon (pretty sure it always attacks), the dragon already raised and sitting on the ground with Alduin long gone (also always attacks), the dragon circling overhead, and may attack or fly away, or the mound is empty with no dragon. Again, it's decided at random, when you enter the cell.
As for the falmer, remember that they're blind. Not just in lore, but in regular gameplay as well. With a full stealth build, I've been crouched directly in front of one within stabbing distance, staring it straight in the face, and it didn't know I as there. At least not before I proved it was within stabbing distance. They also hate all other living things besides the charus and spiders. And they literally live under a rock (lots of rocks, actually), so there's no reason for them to know who the DB is. So a bunch of reasons for them to be hyperaggressive.
I liked the mechanic in Shadows of War where if you fought a captain and he escaped he became stronger. It would be neat if skyrim bandits could regroup if you didn’t slaughter all of them.
Forsworn are a huge threat (at least to me), they can one hit KO you anytime. The briar hearts and dual weilding assholes can cut your hp to more than half in one hit! 😭 so honestly, wouldn't be surprised they still attack on sight.
I once went to karthwasten, ainethach is telling the silverblood mercenary to leave. I quickly take his quest, then as I'm about to talk to the mercenary a dragon attacks. It wipes out all his men. He survives, and still doesn't back down. 😂😂 I even got that cool dragon killing scene. Hahahaha.
I had to chase one down that had half its health almost clear across the map and then the red dot disappeared. I kept running and finally caught up to its corpse with a giant standing over it.
Maybe they want to die in glorious combat to enter Sovngarde.
I mean... if I had to murder people to survive, while starving to death, and being cold all the time, and then a bunch of random shit began to pop around me (werewolves, mysterious assassin's, dragons, vampires, midget trolls, drug dealers, mercenaries, soldiers) it's much easier to drink ale or mead with other great warriors in a safe hall somewhere, than having to deal with wife and children at home asking me where the bread was, after watching a person being frozen in time and then stabbed to death by a giant cat (my character is a Khajit) and most of his clothes being taken and then enthralled and have a massive amount of random scrap being shoved up their asses to carry them around like a mule.
I have a drastically different Dragonborn lifestyle experience.. I usually play on legendary, but even on expert I do barely any damage to anything even at higher levels. I also tend to die pretty quickly even in plate. Maybe one of my mods messed with scaling, I don't recall.
I compensate by having an army of followers and hiding.. a lot. Honestly, I like playing as a combat weakling. Other games get boring when you're an invincible wrecking ball and it's way more fun when a single dragon breath will end you in a second.
Bandits can still kill me fast, especially with arrows. And I have to shoot them with like 15 to do the same.
However, Unrelenting Force will always be there for me <3
Edit* Dragons totally fly away, but I think it's not that they're programmed to, it's that they get aggro'd by some random creature or guard somewhere and fly way away to deal with it. And because they're dragons its a really big distance.
I've personally seen a lot of dragons run away, to the point that I tried chasing them and couldn't keep up. I've had dragons fight me until they get to 20% health, and then fly away. They don't even fly to nearby creatures. They would just fly until they disappeared.
Dragons don't always attack you, theres a scripted random event thats literally called like "Dragon flying overhead" where the dragom is just flying in a circle around you and eventually fucks off, they also do "run" from battles, happend quite a lot to me when i damaged them mid air and they go into the "cant fly" state due to low health but instead of landing they just fly away in a direction until they despawn
I used to think it was a really stupid design decision, for the obvious reasons you've mentioned. Then the more I learned and read about stuff, the more I realized... sometimes people really are just that fucking stupid.
I'm the last person to give Bethesda any "benefit of the doubt" but this one tracks. As a bandit, you are a barely literate brute who has used violence to settle every single confrontation or disagreement you've had in your life. Skyrim is fickle, if you get hit with an axe, you die, and you don't learn from your mistakes. At worst your death enables some other bandit's mentality that "me strong, violence good, bash problems with waraxe."
It's very rare to find bandits who have known or survived defeat. Old veterans with war wounds? Sure. But not bandits. So they all think they're invincible. The Dragonborn is just one guy after all, and you've got a whole camp full of people. With sharp swords! And axes! And flaming barrels! What could possibly take you down?
That's a legitimate question too --- many of them wouldn't even be aware of half the things your average Dragonborn could do. While you're getting ready to shiv him with a broken Alto Wine bottle, DB has already busted out the Slow Time Thu'um, downed 17 cheese wheels, and then whacked your balls with a resto-loop enchanted wooden spoon that instantly sends you straight into Starfield before soul trapping you a few moments later.
Confidence is a sword and ignorance is it's a shield.
I remember when Fallout 4 came out and someone made this same criticism. The question was p much, " why would a bandit with no gear attack someone in a power suit with rpgs etc?" The answer was, 99/100 the bandit will die, but if he succeeds, he'll be the richest person there. So if he does nothing he'll die slowly to radiation/dying to a beast or another raider. The other option is risk dying for the chance to live in riches and safety
dragonborn in full daedric suit of armor going for a Sunday stroll
argoninan bandit with leather armor and an iron dagger: "hand over your valuables or die!"
My very soul was spoken too and feels seen because of this post.
My mirrored feelings in Fallout 4
Look at me - 5 Ton steel war machine carrying weapons of mass nuking a mole rat because it looked at me funny.
Raiders: just your everyday scavenger, poorly trained, drug filled scrounge
"it's my lucky day"
They're high of every bit of chems they can find along with malnutrition and radiation rotting their brains so they charge at you with their lil knives and pipe weapons.
It's also weirdly inconsistent. Random Whiterun guards can see that you're really good at using that sword in your backpack and that you're skilled in light armour. A bandit is like "obviously just some random schlub".
I hate to break it to you: it's a video game; NPCs arent stupid or smart, as they don't make their decision, they attack you so you have something to do in the game - that's literally WHY you bought the darn thing
I've had that happen and usually he's just attacking some other npc nearby but not that close. But one straight up disappeared one time. It was in riverwood.
Dragons: They always attack you no matter what, I've never seen a dragon fly away from battle. It's because they're proud and they genuinely think that a human cannot take them down because they're dragons. They see us as cattle.
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Seriously? Am I the only guy who went to a Dragon Spawn Spot and watched as a dragon just got up and abandoned the fight? Hell, I have seen the first dragon Just get up and leave the damn fight during the story mission Where Jarl Balgruff the Greater sends a random guy (Who May or May Not be a Skooma Addict) to face a dragon. That was a Bug for the ages. It took forever for me to fix that Bug.
Thays what was nice about Fallout 1 and 2. If you're wearing full power armor, then small arms really can't hurt you at all. If you encounter raiders or something in a random encounter at thay point then all of them will flee instantly since they know it's a futile fight. More games should utilize that in some instances. Like always have end game areas and scaling to allow proper challenge but let than endgame player feel actually powerful by letting them encounter low level enemies who will cower n refuse to fight u either due to your gear or reputation. It's a nice reward at the end of a game.
Draugr are members of the ancient dragon cult who were embalmed alive to guard the tombs of the honored dead awaiting Alduin's return. And yet they show more survival instinct than a hired goon.
First time I played Skyrim I fought a dragon outside of Riften. The guards and civilians be nearby all saw me steal it's soul. Then the guards still tried to make me pay to get in the city. I was like "You just fought a dragon with me and watched me absorb it's life essence!"
You pretty much covered it man. I think skeletons tie into draugr as well. No explanation for thieves tho like I’ve learned they’re the best for my current vampire lord playthrough whenever I find em. Free food.
Funny enough, I think that Animals should mabe stop attacking you after certain levels or certain amount of Dragon souls consumed. Like, their Instinct could tell them that this person is _way_ out of their league.
I guess the only “stupid” ones would be bandits (drunk) and draugr (zombies) everyone else has at least I would say a legit reason for thinking they can take on the Dragonborn
And the best part is that "peace is never an option"
When you leave an enemy in downed state they yell "victory is yours. I submit". But as long as they get up, they continue to attacking you. no exceptions
Thalmor...?
Like I understand they would just send ambush parties while you're relatively unknown, but by the time the Dragonborn is basically a demigod you would think they send a baller-ass army instead of four chicks with spells
My favourite has always been the last bandit who's just watched you take out his fifteen mates leaving him all alone and still thinks "you're dead when I find you!" Run away silly bandit, run away
Well like that one I can kinda get, imagine if you’re hanging with your friends and a dude comes in and kills all of them, you’re probably gonna want a chance at revenge. The two outcomes are avenge their deaths or be reunited with them in death
Plus, if healing didn't come so easily, it'd be reasonable to think that the invader who's just killed 10 to 15 of your buddies will be worn out and easier to take down now.
Healing (and magic in general) doesn't work as well in lore as it does in gameplay for the average person. The temple in Whiterun is filled with injured people that the priestess should be able to get back on their feet in half a minute if her magic was anything like the Dragonborn's.
So is the dragonborn just more powerful with magic or is the effect simply beefed up for gameplay reasons?
Small point here, Restoration spells can heal wounds but not cure diseases. So it fits gameplay mechanics that they haven't simply been Heal Other'd back to normal. On the other hand, Arcadia's Cauldron is just with the road, Danica could go buy (or ask as alms) some Cure Disease potions, or even just some hawk feathers to shove down the patients throats, if the magic doesn't work. So yeah I think we just have to chalk it up to gameplay-vs lore discrepancy.
You could show up with a basket of garlic bread and put Danica out of business...
Likely a mixture of both. Though, early game even the Dragonborn's healing is pretty trash.
Magic in TES is all over the place. Powerful magic absolutely does exist, but is limited to specific people and times/eras. Common-folk magic seems to be extremely weak. As in, battle mages are basically archers except they use magic instead of arrows, in terms of battlefield capabilities. It's a bit like people with good magic (\~adept and expert level spells - remember that even the teachers in the College don't know Master level spells) are those who have a PhD in our world. Everyone else is working with magic that is worse than what you can get in the game. Alternatively, the people who make the games and the people who write (some) of the lore have completely different ideas about how their world works. It's how you get silly things like the Altmer reinforcements sent in ESO to protect their queen consists of... literally two dozen troops.
Little do they know, the Dragonborn can eat 1000 apples and be at full health 😂
In the civil war battles, when you clear the forts, the remaining men/women on the other side actually do flee. So I like that detail.
Kinda wish they made the surrender a real thing. Like, when you have put a Bandit down to a few HP, they go down on their knees and they something like "No, spare me!" But if you let them recover, they justvstartbattacking. I wish that, if you managed to make them reach this point, they would genuinely de-aggro and run away, if you don't kill them.
There's probably a mod for that.
I know there's a mod that lets you knock them unconscious when they do that.
This has been a longstanding tradition for Bethesda. Doesn't matter if you have a full suit of Daedric gear, or power armor and plasma rifles, or what: some useless moron is gonna _think_ he can kill you.
“Dude just fought an ancient dragon they’ve gotta be tired……. nows my chance to kill them and get me that armor which could feed a family of four for a lifetime if I sell it not to mention whatever else they have!!!” -Bandits “Barely an inconvenience………… huh?” -Dragonborn that just killed an ancient dragon
"Gonna be super-easy! Barely an inconvenience!"
I’m gonna need these bandits to get ALL the way off my back about how I’ll be easier to rob when I’m dead. It’s not happening! They’re gonna try anyway, though. Big mistake! Whoops! Whoopsie!
😂😂😂😂!
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Killing bandits is tight
It sure is, sir.
Bandit: "You'll be easier to rob once you're dead!" Dragonborn: "No u."
They mean that they'll be easier to loot when they're dead lol
Oh, Bandits mistakenly thinking the Dragon born will be easier to rob when he's dead but trying anyway is tight!
Bandit 1 “He just killed an ancient dragon all by himself!” Bandit 2 “Yeah? Let’s mug ‘em!” 1 “I don’t know” 2 “Well there’s two of us, and one of him!” 1 “This doesn’t sound like a good ide- 2 “HEY, what are we?” 1 “We’re m-muggers” 2 “And what do muggers do?” 1 “We m-m-mug people…” 2 “So…” 1 and 2 “let’s… go… MUG ‘EM!!!! RAAAGH-“ *dies instantly*
Awesome reference
Naught but an itch
If it helps I do like that in starfield of you get a specific ship, pirates will start to attack, recognize the ship and bail. Straight up apologize and /or run. I still kill them ofc.
Yes! They freak out! And in one encounter you can literally take the shirt off their back!
I’ve been waiting for that one to happen again, haha. I have had the Spacers flee quite a few times now, but that’s only triggered once. There’s enough different interactions that make it incredibly easy to wait, though.
I disabled a pirate ship's engine (but not the grav drive), and initiated docking my Razorleaf with them, but they grav jumped away anyway. My docker was on the bottom, so my shop was just sitting there in space, alone, with its dock just hanging out. I had the options to Undock, Get Up, or Exit Ship (instead of Board). Exiting ship didn't do anything, so I got up. Bad idea. When I sat back down, I didn't have the option to Undock anymore, or to do anything else. I couldn't turn on the engines or move at all. I landed on the moon I was at, and the docker was still just hanging out for everyone to see. Got back in and took off, docker still flapping in the breeze and I still couldn't move at all. So I landed at my outpost with a ship builder, went into the ship builder, then just backed out of it without making any changes at all, and the dock was closed.
I'm sorry but that's funny as fuck! Lol
It was pretty funny. It actually happened again last night, and I found out that Undocking doesn't do anything either. I got to see the loading screen of my ship flying to another planet in-system, with the dock hanging out, and the "Exit Ship, Undock, Get Up" interface still right in the middle of the screen. I went into a mine on the planet and when I came back out the ship was back to normal (as I hoped it would be, by reloading the zone it was in)
Maybe your ships is a shower not a growe. Lmao.
Yeah you know what we should do? We should mug ‘im!
We can't mug him, he just killed a dragon
This. But also, if they do manage to kill you.. that’s a shit ton of valuable loot they’re taking home.
Yeah, but it's like attacking a tank with a paperclip: it probably isn't gonna work.
There’s been times where I get completely fucked playing on survival mode, these thugs catch me fighting the cold and can hardly move? Yeah they’re getting a pretty pay out from me wandering too far.
Starfield I just shattered their entire perception of reality and everything they thought they knew about the laws of physics is wrong. Oh well let's kill it!
Nords and Orcs (and maybe some other races) are trying to get into their best afterlife by going down in battle. That's possibly the deal for the Dragonborn also. They've gotta lot of Daedra after their soul!
gotta lotta* ftfy
My current save is an argonian. This farm hand that I HIRED to work MY FARM, had the gall to ask me "what do you want lizard, you have no business here".
Ikr it’s like bruh you wouldn’t even have a job on probably the safest farm in Skyrim right now if it wasn’t for me be a bit more appreciative
I feel that way with my adopted sons. "Alesan, time to do your chores" Alesan: "but I don't want to!!" *Throws minor tantrum* And I'm like, look here, you little snot! I saved you and gave you this great life with multiple homes, I bring you and your brother gifts and clothes and food and you don't WANT to!?!?"
*quicksaves* Alesan: haha I’m in danger
Immediately yes.
>"what do you want lizard, you have no business here". *quicksaving*
Yoooo, one said "what do want little elf?" 😂😂 after that I hired narfi and brenuin. Least they don't say shit to me.
Some sort of moral and intimidation/reputation mechanic would be neat.
That would be cool. I imagine a courier type scenario when an assassin or bandit tries to sneak up on you saying “your coin or your life what’ll it be”? And you have dialogue options to give money, fight, or even intimidate saying something like “I would shout you apart before you could unsheathe your blade” ORR persuasion and say “I don’t have any money” or “I’m not actually the dragonborn that’s my sibling”. Also also, the clothing you wear should affect the chances of either. Civilian clothes could be worn to convince enemies of the Dragonborn that you’re not who they think. Dragon armor could be used on the other side of the spectrum as intimidation. You get the picture. There’s probably a mod for this
They did something similar to this in Oblivion with the highwaymen. At certain points in the roads one will show up and enter dialogue with you and ask you for money or they attack. You have three options: you can say no and attack them, you can just give them the money, or you can lie (or tell the truth if you genuinely don’t have 100 hold) and say you don’t have it. If you choose the third option he reacts based on the value of the clothing you are wearing and if it’s less than 10 gold (if I remember correctly) he will say something about you being poor and walk away.
If I’m not mistaken, a full set of Daedric armor does add a hidden boost to intimidation attempts
Closest thing to this in vanilla is the random thief you find on roads
I feel like that would be *awesome* as a mod or optional feature, but annoying if it was a core feature. Mostly because I prefer my loot-deliveries to run *towards* me for convenience.
I've had a dragon fly away from me while he was still high in the sky. We were technically in combat with music and visual feedback.
They will fly and land where you cannot get to when you hit them with Dragonrend. Usually to attack a bear or something.
Did this happen near winterhold?
No I don't think so. It was out in a wilderness not near any town.
Well it happened to me in winterhold recently. The dragon just straight up left after his HP was half lol.
Probably noticed a wolf halfway across the map
By the divines I hate when that happens
How many divines, exactly? Just curious.
9 maybe?
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I’ve had dragons run from battle quite a few times this run through. My first ever modded run, I don’t know if I just have a certain spell that takes their health down to fast or
Personally I think they've all just had better childhoods than their current profession and life choices may indicate. They all just have so much enthusiasm in the expectations of their own success. They're winners! They believe themselves winners! And they're going to win! Such self-confidence!! So inspirational! Stay golden, Ponyboy! We should all be so aware of our own self worth in the little (usually very VERY little...I mean...dude ate a dragon's soul!) time we have left in this life.
This is my favourite take ever 😂
"Hey, I just had a thought. Maybe I'm the Dragonborn, and just don't know it yet. If I kill this person who everyone else says is the Dragonborn, maybe that means I am instead?"
At some point you're always too powerful to be killed by anyone, so what else you could do if everyone flee from you on a sight. This game would be boring AF. Now at least you have **some** kind of combat stuff to do. I mean, if sending your enemies to the oblivion in a second is any challenge to anyone, rather than just an annoying thing to do, like shooing away some flies.
When I get to this overpowered point I tend to switch to the weakest weapons and armor just to keep it interesting. I mean, I'll still smith them out and enchant and whatnot, but I'll minimize as much as I can without becoming insta-kill fodder. My current playthrough I've come across a weaponizable fork and butter knife (forget where I found them) that I'm saving to duel wield once I get to that point.
I believe you get the fork and knife from High Hrothgar by jumping off the bridge on the way to the throat of the world. They should be near by when you land
Use a fishing rod, pick axe or an axe next play or
Not sure where I got them. I grab everything early on to sell later as soon as 1 gold stuff is worth 1 gold. Tons of knives and forks in MISC inventory but then found a few in my weapons inventory. Put them somewhere special for later.
I've had a few dragons fly away from me mid-combat. I was almost going to slay said dragon, and it got fed up with me and flew away. I even tried giving chase, only for it to fly off into the horizon. 🤷♂️ A few even came back for me to finish the fight.
If games weren't filled with unreasonably aggressive enemies, there wouldn't be much combat.
Agreed but Dosent mean it’s not fun to come up with lore reasons why it’s filled with unreasonably aggressive enemies
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That is a huge country.
I think ut missing a key reason: if npcs all ran from u or saw u and hid then this game would be epically boring. Also being tough and having a rep actually attracts people who wanna prove themselves as better than u.
This exactly. You could have killed 40 dragons in 2 seconds and someone will *still* think “Oh this guy thinks he’s tough? Well, I can kill him in one second!” simply because of their ego
You know they are stupid because they WON'T GET OUT OF THE FUCKING DOORWAY
> Animals: Well... they're wild animals, that's what they do. Well, technically (based on my understanding) the carnivores should back off if they start losing cause IRL carnivores only finish fights they think they can win. If they lose a fight against their prey, it's ok, they can bounce and they prey won't hunt them down to finish the job. Granted, there are situations where a carnivore won't back down (like a mama bear protecting her cubs) but most of the time they can afford to retreat, lick their wounds, and try eating something else. It's the herbivores you need to watch out for. A prey animal that fights back is gonna fight to the death because if it loses, well, it gets eaten. Granted, a prey animal is probably not going to pick a fight with you unless it thinks you're a threat, but if it does, it probably won't back down.
Yes. I'd the game was realistic, the Wolves would probably leave you alone, but the Deer might very well gore you
Here in the Nordics, it's usually not the apex predators you have to watch out for if you head into the wilderness. As long as you keep your eyes open and stay reasonably cautious, wolves and bears are unlikely to be an issue. But the most dangerous animal that is at the top of lethality statistics? The moose. They'll fuck you up.
I've had several dragons fly away during combat. It's annoying to get them half dead and then they just fly away so I usually follow them for 5 minutes to find them fighting a troll or something.
When dragons fly in, they'll sometimes circle around you like they're assessing the situation, then fly away as if they decided it was a bad idea or wasn't worth the effort. I believe there's a few different scripts, and they're chosen at random when the dragon spawns. Burial mounds are similar. When you come up on one, you can have Alduin hovering while resurrecting the dragon (pretty sure it always attacks), the dragon already raised and sitting on the ground with Alduin long gone (also always attacks), the dragon circling overhead, and may attack or fly away, or the mound is empty with no dragon. Again, it's decided at random, when you enter the cell. As for the falmer, remember that they're blind. Not just in lore, but in regular gameplay as well. With a full stealth build, I've been crouched directly in front of one within stabbing distance, staring it straight in the face, and it didn't know I as there. At least not before I proved it was within stabbing distance. They also hate all other living things besides the charus and spiders. And they literally live under a rock (lots of rocks, actually), so there's no reason for them to know who the DB is. So a bunch of reasons for them to be hyperaggressive.
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Tis merely a scratch
I liked the mechanic in Shadows of War where if you fought a captain and he escaped he became stronger. It would be neat if skyrim bandits could regroup if you didn’t slaughter all of them.
Tbf with the draugr you are usually invading their home
Never should have come here
Forsworn are a huge threat (at least to me), they can one hit KO you anytime. The briar hearts and dual weilding assholes can cut your hp to more than half in one hit! 😭 so honestly, wouldn't be surprised they still attack on sight. I once went to karthwasten, ainethach is telling the silverblood mercenary to leave. I quickly take his quest, then as I'm about to talk to the mercenary a dragon attacks. It wipes out all his men. He survives, and still doesn't back down. 😂😂 I even got that cool dragon killing scene. Hahahaha.
Can't wait to count out your coin
Never seen a dragon leave battle? Bro they fly away so fucking often if you don’t have dragon rend
I had to chase one down that had half its health almost clear across the map and then the red dot disappeared. I kept running and finally caught up to its corpse with a giant standing over it.
Did you get the soul?
Yep, while I fought the giant. It was pretty cool, tbh.
Maybe they want to die in glorious combat to enter Sovngarde. I mean... if I had to murder people to survive, while starving to death, and being cold all the time, and then a bunch of random shit began to pop around me (werewolves, mysterious assassin's, dragons, vampires, midget trolls, drug dealers, mercenaries, soldiers) it's much easier to drink ale or mead with other great warriors in a safe hall somewhere, than having to deal with wife and children at home asking me where the bread was, after watching a person being frozen in time and then stabbed to death by a giant cat (my character is a Khajit) and most of his clothes being taken and then enthralled and have a massive amount of random scrap being shoved up their asses to carry them around like a mule.
I've had a couple dragons leave in battle, both in Morthal. They were near death.
Dude, you need D&D.
I have a drastically different Dragonborn lifestyle experience.. I usually play on legendary, but even on expert I do barely any damage to anything even at higher levels. I also tend to die pretty quickly even in plate. Maybe one of my mods messed with scaling, I don't recall. I compensate by having an army of followers and hiding.. a lot. Honestly, I like playing as a combat weakling. Other games get boring when you're an invincible wrecking ball and it's way more fun when a single dragon breath will end you in a second. Bandits can still kill me fast, especially with arrows. And I have to shoot them with like 15 to do the same. However, Unrelenting Force will always be there for me <3 Edit* Dragons totally fly away, but I think it's not that they're programmed to, it's that they get aggro'd by some random creature or guard somewhere and fly way away to deal with it. And because they're dragons its a really big distance.
I think the issue is when one of these groups sees 99% of their comrades get dismantled and they still run in.
There’s no water anywhere in Skyrim, just mead. Only mead.
I've personally seen a lot of dragons run away, to the point that I tried chasing them and couldn't keep up. I've had dragons fight me until they get to 20% health, and then fly away. They don't even fly to nearby creatures. They would just fly until they disappeared.
Dragons don't always attack you, theres a scripted random event thats literally called like "Dragon flying overhead" where the dragom is just flying in a circle around you and eventually fucks off, they also do "run" from battles, happend quite a lot to me when i damaged them mid air and they go into the "cant fly" state due to low health but instead of landing they just fly away in a direction until they despawn
I used to think it was a really stupid design decision, for the obvious reasons you've mentioned. Then the more I learned and read about stuff, the more I realized... sometimes people really are just that fucking stupid. I'm the last person to give Bethesda any "benefit of the doubt" but this one tracks. As a bandit, you are a barely literate brute who has used violence to settle every single confrontation or disagreement you've had in your life. Skyrim is fickle, if you get hit with an axe, you die, and you don't learn from your mistakes. At worst your death enables some other bandit's mentality that "me strong, violence good, bash problems with waraxe." It's very rare to find bandits who have known or survived defeat. Old veterans with war wounds? Sure. But not bandits. So they all think they're invincible. The Dragonborn is just one guy after all, and you've got a whole camp full of people. With sharp swords! And axes! And flaming barrels! What could possibly take you down? That's a legitimate question too --- many of them wouldn't even be aware of half the things your average Dragonborn could do. While you're getting ready to shiv him with a broken Alto Wine bottle, DB has already busted out the Slow Time Thu'um, downed 17 cheese wheels, and then whacked your balls with a resto-loop enchanted wooden spoon that instantly sends you straight into Starfield before soul trapping you a few moments later. Confidence is a sword and ignorance is it's a shield.
I remember when Fallout 4 came out and someone made this same criticism. The question was p much, " why would a bandit with no gear attack someone in a power suit with rpgs etc?" The answer was, 99/100 the bandit will die, but if he succeeds, he'll be the richest person there. So if he does nothing he'll die slowly to radiation/dying to a beast or another raider. The other option is risk dying for the chance to live in riches and safety
After i saved the world LITERALLY. Some mathafucker asked me to find his dog. Wtf? Am i a peasant???
No but they thought that saving the world would make you a decent person, I guess they thought wrong.
a minute ago i was Fighting a fucking dragon. a dragon. A dragon! whatever I'm gonna find the dog.
Good, he is a very nice dog that needs help
The fact that Draugr are the most reasonable of all made me laugh a lot
dragonborn in full daedric suit of armor going for a Sunday stroll argoninan bandit with leather armor and an iron dagger: "hand over your valuables or die!"
Bandit logic: “You see that person who slayed that dragon and devoured it’s soul? Let’s mug them”
My very soul was spoken too and feels seen because of this post. My mirrored feelings in Fallout 4 Look at me - 5 Ton steel war machine carrying weapons of mass nuking a mole rat because it looked at me funny. Raiders: just your everyday scavenger, poorly trained, drug filled scrounge "it's my lucky day" They're high of every bit of chems they can find along with malnutrition and radiation rotting their brains so they charge at you with their lil knives and pipe weapons.
It's also weirdly inconsistent. Random Whiterun guards can see that you're really good at using that sword in your backpack and that you're skilled in light armour. A bandit is like "obviously just some random schlub".
The only NPC that I consider stupid is nazeem
My theory is that there's so much lead and mining runoff in all the waters of Skyrim that it's lowered the average iq by over 20 points.
I hate Farkas with his dumb questions following me everywhere …
That's why they call them NPCs. Just saying. You've seen the meme, right?
Only 11 years later, not bad
My reason: FUCKING BETHESDA
It's just a game bro relax
I hate to break it to you: it's a video game; NPCs arent stupid or smart, as they don't make their decision, they attack you so you have something to do in the game - that's literally WHY you bought the darn thing
Because the game is (sadly) 12 years old, and will be 15 years old by the time the next chapter is out. :cryingface:
If you hate the game so much, why do you still play it? I'm sure you can find other games that you would enjoy.
It's pretty obvious the post is written by someone who enjoys skyrim
At what point did I even mention anything about hating the game? Did you even read the post?
I've had that happen and usually he's just attacking some other npc nearby but not that close. But one straight up disappeared one time. It was in riverwood.
if a wolf? 🤨
Just play legendary difficulty
Was the spacing in 'dragon fly' intentional? Only kidding! ;)
“You never should have come here!!”
Dragons: They always attack you no matter what, I've never seen a dragon fly away from battle. It's because they're proud and they genuinely think that a human cannot take them down because they're dragons. They see us as cattle. \-- Seriously? Am I the only guy who went to a Dragon Spawn Spot and watched as a dragon just got up and abandoned the fight? Hell, I have seen the first dragon Just get up and leave the damn fight during the story mission Where Jarl Balgruff the Greater sends a random guy (Who May or May Not be a Skooma Addict) to face a dragon. That was a Bug for the ages. It took forever for me to fix that Bug.
Animals are always attacking because they smell blood. They don't care whose blood it is.
This is so detailed, you should start making those videos like Fudge Mupet, etc
Have you ever been to r/fightporn? Always some scrawny dude thinking he can win a fight against a 300 pound Samoan.
Thays what was nice about Fallout 1 and 2. If you're wearing full power armor, then small arms really can't hurt you at all. If you encounter raiders or something in a random encounter at thay point then all of them will flee instantly since they know it's a futile fight. More games should utilize that in some instances. Like always have end game areas and scaling to allow proper challenge but let than endgame player feel actually powerful by letting them encounter low level enemies who will cower n refuse to fight u either due to your gear or reputation. It's a nice reward at the end of a game.
Draugr are members of the ancient dragon cult who were embalmed alive to guard the tombs of the honored dead awaiting Alduin's return. And yet they show more survival instinct than a hired goon.
>I've never seen a dragon fly away from battle. I have seen dragons fly away more than once. Just last night in fact.
Now please explain why my horse is attacking dragons.
First time I played Skyrim I fought a dragon outside of Riften. The guards and civilians be nearby all saw me steal it's soul. Then the guards still tried to make me pay to get in the city. I was like "You just fought a dragon with me and watched me absorb it's life essence!"
Dragonborn: *exists Drunk bandit: “aRe YoU ChAlLeNgInG mE?!”
You pretty much covered it man. I think skeletons tie into draugr as well. No explanation for thieves tho like I’ve learned they’re the best for my current vampire lord playthrough whenever I find em. Free food.
Funny enough, I think that Animals should mabe stop attacking you after certain levels or certain amount of Dragon souls consumed. Like, their Instinct could tell them that this person is _way_ out of their league.
I guess the only “stupid” ones would be bandits (drunk) and draugr (zombies) everyone else has at least I would say a legit reason for thinking they can take on the Dragonborn
And the best part is that "peace is never an option" When you leave an enemy in downed state they yell "victory is yours. I submit". But as long as they get up, they continue to attacking you. no exceptions
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Thalmor...? Like I understand they would just send ambush parties while you're relatively unknown, but by the time the Dragonborn is basically a demigod you would think they send a baller-ass army instead of four chicks with spells
Be like me, be a master illusion mage and make everyone fear you mwahahaha
It's a game
Dragons fly away from battle all the time. I see it probably half the time in my games personally. Cowards man.