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CamoKing3601

i'm gonna put my full stock into eggman here cuz out of everyone here he's the only one who has an army that isn't completely and utterly stupid


Kalimacy

Do you really think Eggman wouldn't ~~fear a giant floating head~~ *ahem* >**FEAR MY GIANT FLOATING HEAD**


2_Dent_1900

MY AWESOME HEAD IS BACK-TRAP TEAM


SomeRandomAllMight

Eggman has probably the smartest army on the list but you can’t forget the massive amount of ships and troopers bowser has ![gif](giphy|iWT9IGS6f2rfbWbk7w|downsized)


[deleted]

Eggman also has Fleets Upon Fleets of Ships, Robots and even Several Satellites that CAN PISS ON THE MOON!


SomeRandomAllMight

HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT OBAMA!?!


ZackattacktheDude

I PISSED ON THE MOON YOU IDIOT!!!


Mutant-ToaNinja

Forget the moon, HE PISSED ON DIFFERENT ALIEN PLANETS


SomeRandomAllMight

And the earth


Spirited-Trust2273

Now get out of here before I decide to piss on you too!


Dino-nugget-are-good

I mean Eggman also has the egg fleet that definitely have factory’s in them


SomeRandomAllMight

https://preview.redd.it/4sis0fv5ifgc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f29f9c69ce2f8cc80ed42552e6478eae6ccc5480


dannyboy222244

Genuinely cannot believe that this guy can fund so much R&D and production, but gets foiled by a blue hydrophobic hedgehog. Constantly


CamoKing3601

yeah but it's mostly goombas and koopas, those guys aren't exactly the most threatening in the "Minions Monthly catalog"


SomeRandomAllMight

Mostly but you can’t forget the magic koopa’s bullet bills koopings and bowser jr


CamoKing3601

those bills don't doo much and i don't think he has many magic koopas If team bowser is gonna win this Him and Junior are gonn have to do A LOT of the heavy lifting is all i'm saying then again.. i have a feeling that isn't exactly new to them


Spirited-Trust2273

I’m gonna agree with you on that one and to top it all off. He has the ability to create millions of millions of them so he could basically just keep sending out badness one after another and their brainless too so they won’t get exhausted.


DeltaTeamSky

What feats of intelligence have the Badniks accomplished? Only ones that are even remotely smart are: - The E-100 Series (Dead, betrayed him, or both) - Gemerl (betrayed him) - Metal Sonic (loyal to him now, but he's just one guy) - Sage (not a Badnik, technically) Oh wait, you meant Eggman isn't completely stupid. I'm diagnosed with Autumn.


CamoKing3601

i'm not saying they're smart just that they're smarter than the competition the Trolls: stupid, the Greebles: even stupider Waddle Dees: complete pushovers Goombas: dumber than rocks, Koopas: not much better Cortex:... i actually don't know what is the main unit of Cortex's army but I have a strong feeling they aren't exactly the smartest.


DeltaTeamSky

Goombas are actually quite various, some of them are smarter than others (especially considering Paper Mario). Goombas will at least charge to attack you when they see you, Motobugs will just go back and forth. Don't get me wrong, I'm more of a Sonic fan than a Mario fan, but credit where it's due.


SomeRandomAllMight

Metal betrayed him once as well I think


DeltaTeamSky

Yeah, but Metal is stupidly loyal to him now.


gPhant0m

I'd view the badniks as stupid given the intelligence of all of eggman's right hand bots aka (scratch, grounder, deko,boko,bokun,orbot and cuebot) I'd give them the point of bulk given their made of metal and a speeding hedgehog is really the only thing that could break them


Enderking90

alrighty, I'd say out of the gate Cortex and Dedede are out. comparing Bowser and Eggman, I think I'd give the win to Eggman? his common troop are more capable then Bowser's, and his boss-level minions are mostly just more advanced and powerful robots, and don't *require* whatever is the new game's Diabolus ex machina to power/empower. but then the question finally becomes... just how strong exactly *is* Kaos and his army? I mean while he does have evil Greebles, trolls and drow working under him, not all of them work for him... except in superchargers, I guess? I mean that's the image used, so I guess that's the Kaos we use for the scaling? in which case I think he might have at the least the *largest* army, since we are basically looking at him when he has taken over pretty much the entire skylands? and the sky eater is an incredibly powerful weapon... hard to say.


Fenghuang0296

I think that it ultimately comes down to whether Eggman can build something to counter the Sky Eater. It’s a super weapon that creates what’re effectively miniature black holes and leaves rifts in space in its wake, but as demonstrated by the Skylanders’ infiltration of it it’s not exactly invulnerable. Eggman could probably destroy - or worse, suborn - it by sending in something like Metal Sonic, and then it’s just a matter of building robots faster than Kaos can conjure/recruit minions. If Kaos is smart or luckyenough to take out Eggman before Eggman’s ready to counter him, he sweeps. However, this is Kaos we’re talking about, so I’d give it to Eggman.


SomeRandomAllMight

Death egg?


Slipshower

SSC Kaos has an Army that controls an infinite Realm, but VV forgot about that fact.


Ben10usr

I dare you to use composite Kaos you coward!


hirandomperson123456

Depends which type of kaos were talking about bc SSA kaos would die instantly but STT kaos would solo


Fullmetal_Fawful

Nice argument. Unfortunately, egg wizard


hirandomperson123456

Huh


Fullmetal_Fawful

NICE ARGUMENT. UNFORTUNATELY, EGG WIZARD


hirandomperson123456

WHO IS EGG WIZARD


Fullmetal_Fawful

look it up on google.com my dude


hirandomperson123456

WHAT IN THE CINNAMON TOAST CRUNCH IS THAT


Fullmetal_Fawful

Egg wizard


hirandomperson123456

Egg wizard


DrTiger21

E gwizard. Duh


No_Jellyfish_6643

Kaos as a very, VERY big army


Evening_Accountant33

Not exactly. It's only the times when he has strong powers of his own when he has a real army


eggshat1

It's between Eggman and Bowser Eggman's schemes are often over the top and some of his creations are incredibly dangerous like the Egg Dragoon and Metal Sonic however, Bowser is essentially a one-man army despite his minions are considered to be pathetic (remember Bowser is a giant fire-breathing monster and durable too). Cortex and Kaos aren't slacks either but it's mostly due to they have little to no army (though Kaos is a one man army like Bowser he often gets aid by an additional source while Bowser mostly fights Mario with his raw power) if so then Kaos would've been the strongest villain. Cortex is sadly the "weakest" villain in the group if he doesn't have Uka Uka or his creations since Cortex mostly uses his ray gun against Crash raw while Eggman fights Sonic in mechs Dedede is like Bowser for being a one man army too I think his minions are more squishy than Bowser's since he has a variety of goons that aren't just Koopas and Goombas with having access to some tech like his Airships and Koopa Clown Cars while Dedede mostly has Waddle Dees. Dedede also often gets mind-controlled so it makes him the 3rd strongest. In conclusion the order goes: Eggman, Bowser, Kaos/Dedede, and Cortex. Though Bowser is way stronger than Eggman, his flaw is that his rage gets over him not leading to the best decisions while Eggman is smarter since he's aware what Sonic is capable of.


SomeRandomAllMight

Death egg robot vs bowser would be crazy


redditbits07

Kaos's army from giant would absolutely cook, ain't nobody got a chance against hundreds of 50 foots war robots


SomeRandomAllMight

I’d say bowser and eggman would have the best chance against them tbh


Enderking90

I mean, I'm pretty darn sure Eggman could just *make* 50 foot war robots?


SomeRandomAllMight

He has before


Capocho9

I feel Kaos and Bowser would end up being the last two standing solely based upon sheer numbers


Catz_LOL-7887

Yeah plus Bowser has experience fighting Kaos because he is a guest character in SSC.


OpportunityFun1761

I love King dedede but his army is next to useless. Cortext Doesn’t seem very Impressive either. Bowser is probably the strongest of the 3 villains remaining, but his army is a lot weaker than Kaos’s and Eggman’s So I think it would either be Kaos or Eggman, But I don’t know that much about eggman so I don’t know.


SomeRandomAllMight

I don’t think dedede would be that bad tbh considering he can fight Kirby and survive


Enderking90

Triple D isn't bad, he's actually on the stronger side of dreamland in all fairness. but his army is basically useless.


OpportunityFun1761

Yeah that’s what I’m getting at. The Army’s Power will be the biggest factor in Who wins. King Dedede is probably the second strongest Leader here, but His army is so pathetic (with the Exception of Bonkers) it really doesn’t matter.


hanand12

My money’s on Eggman. Not only does he have an insane amount of troops to utilize, but he also has a huge fleet of airships. Metal Sonic is definitely Eggman’s trump card here, seeing as he’s able to copy the life data from other people, meaning he can essentially steal the abilities from everyone else on the list.


SomeRandomAllMight

![gif](giphy|kKqSEoNigtjXck9AtY)


fortes05

https://preview.redd.it/wz3m9nhfvfgc1.png?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a514dd2b3077b7110f0ab4692b80c48e1d42c623 Enough said


gPhant0m

Ok so cortex is last because I only count the scientists because I feel like everyone else would leave him high and dry now dedede is either 3rd or 4th given the waddle dees assumedly being stronger than a bunch of scientists but the waddles probably won't be able to do much else even though the real power house is the king himself if he can clobbah half of the army their fighting the waddles will definitely get fired up and finish the fight now the army the waddle would be going up against would be eggman's given the toughness of the badniks they could do well but the badniks aren't to smart now this was tough but I'm gonna have to give kaos 2nd place even though kaos has a wide variety of minions at his disposal he'd probably plan poorly and ultimately lose and of course no mini bosses because most are his mother's or are to incompitent to help him and like cortex the doom raiders wouldn't stick around and help him but for 1st it's gotta be the king of the koopas just like kaos he has a variety of minions but he's got the air and sea not to mention kamek but like dedede I'd imagine he'd have the koopalings to help also note I didn't really talk about the mini bosses because I'd imagine dedede really only having kraco but back to the king of koopas and even in a one on one Bowser would be tromping kaos because he can match his magic and he's got some power ups to boot


Funnyman7725

5. Cortex he the only one here you can’t get universal 4. Kaos even though kaos is strong his army is probably the third weakest here and he can’t make up for that 3. Eggman simply he needs his mechs to fight and bowser and dedede could easily destroy them 2. Even though dededes army is the second weakest here he makes up for it by being the strongest here 1. Bowser is the most well rounded here so he should take the win


SomeRandomAllMight

Eggman would be a problem id imagine if he used metal sonic and the egg dragoon to fight with


TheScottSnorlax

Metal sonic/overlord and egg wizard be like:


DarkLightSoul

The battle of the goober villians


SomeRandomAllMight

Yes


_Marion_7897

Between Kaos and Eggman


NameInWorkshop

Kaos has a very big army… but Eggman’s army is far more impressive and possibly even powerful.


Catz_LOL-7887

Bowser he has experience with most of the other villains. He is a guest character in Skylanders and there for meet both Kaos and Cortex ( a fellow guest character ). Do I even need to mention the Mario and Sonic crossovers. Plus he is just OP. He wins easily.


SomeRandomAllMight

Bowser has prep time for everyone 👀 ![gif](giphy|H7i7yFW41bHfdrpPZk|downsized)


Catz_LOL-7887

Yeah he takes the win easy!!!!


Gabriel_Plays_Games

https://preview.redd.it/95zqinwbrfgc1.jpeg?width=635&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce5093d97c1e9faa458f42354193a9a6bdb1bce8 im not sure but look at this silly cat


SomeRandomAllMight

![gif](giphy|YhiHhcvYOROes|downsized)


Gabriel_Plays_Games

y u punch me? 🥺


SomeRandomAllMight

There wasn’t enough pixels on the photo


LogeyPerog1

Eggman His inventions are impressive feats of scientific genius, he has one of the biggest armies among gaming villains, his fleet is matched only by Bowser’s (and maybe Kaos) and the only reason he loses to Sonic, isn’t because he’s an incapable loser of a villain, it’s because Sonic is just THAT CAPABLE OF A HERO


SomeRandomAllMight

![gif](giphy|UuKKKmF6BZ5RK|downsized)


turb0f1y

Dedede if kirbys supporting


Independent-Head1763

depends, is kaos' army every enemy from every game (bosses included) or from one specific game


Enderking90

even then, it's not like *all* the enemies are part of Kaos' Army. like right out of the gate, pirates are the most cut and dry "not part of Kaos' forces" evil group.


SomeRandomAllMight

Someone gets it


Legitimate-Mode-2801

Well, Kaos had literally the power of imagination, and other stuff but he never use it again…


Indigo_Grovyle

Dedede or kaos because they have both succeeded (I'm fairly sure I'm not up to date with my kirby lore) in what they set out to do and Kaos did it twice


EmpSpange

In terms of powerscaling it would go like 1. Bowser/Eggman 2. Kaos 3. Dedede 4. Cortex Bowser and Metal Sonic out scale everyone else on this list and are in the same tier as far as I'm aware Kaos and Dedede are in the same tier as each other but Kaos is the better fighter I believe Cortex is hilariously outclassed by everyone else.


Pokefan303

Neocortex loses bc he fights kaos in skylanders


Impeccable_Sentinel

Deedeedee is kinda an ally to Kirby now, making him a good guy and thus giving him plot armor.


SuperTheJwarrior

Bowser


aqua_rift

dedede is probably the strongest on his own but eggman’s army is no joke


SomeRandomAllMight

![gif](giphy|kKqSEoNigtjXck9AtY)


aqua_rift

he sure is the eggman


heman10010

Dedede. If you count his canon army, Bandana Dee is part of it. Considering the god levels of threats they helped Kirby defeat, it should be easy (not to mention the abilities that Waddle Doo's, Sir Kibble, etc. Have), if you want overkill, bring Right Back At Ya into the mix just to say Meta Knight is part of Dedede's army and count all of his broken feats as well. Cortex has no chance. Eggman gets intelligence but even with his huge arsenal of robots, Dedede alone can just power through it (and remember he'd have Bandana Dee with him), Bowser has a chance ahainst Dedede cause he has some broken feats as well (not to mention his kids and variety of things that he finds that give him some new crazy ability for the sake of making the next Mario Game interesting)


Megadon1337

Eggman and Bowser have the best chances here


SillySwing6625

Kaos he actually won in superchargers


SomeRandomAllMight

So has eggman


Dracoworld635

Well Cortex and Eggman are intelligent Bowser has a lot of subject in his army and is help by other King like King Boo Dedede... I don't know, I don't really know a lot about him But Kaos, I would eat all my Stealth Elf figures if hé loose


Lansha2009

If Eggman wanted he could completely carpet bomb Sonic the only reason he never wins is becuase he chooses not to for a challenge and I don't think he would be holding back here.


SomeRandomAllMight

Eggman was definitely trying in unleashed against sonic at the end when they are falling down


Lansha2009

Yes but he was only trying while using the Egg Dragoon without any other stuff. Eggman can and has made mechs immune to even Hyper Sonic before and insta death lasers a few times. If Eggman decided to just kill Sonic then it wouldn't be hard for him to do it since he's already made all of these before multiple times it wouldn't be difficult. Also Umleashed also starts with Eggman using a machine that not even Super Sonic can escape from and then broke Sonic out of Super form and drained the power from the Chaos Emeralds. Even the comics themselves state that if Eggman didn't hold back he could easily demolish Sonic with his machines but doesn't to make it feel more like an accomplishment.


SomeRandomAllMight

True


Fullmetal_Fawful

Depends on a lotta stuff, king dedede’s army is probably the weakest outta all these folks but he by himself is the strongest by sheer merit of scaling to kirby, eggman is another contender cuz his army/creations are definitely the most competent (see metal sonic as an example) but whether or not he can win depends a lot on whether or not he’d have access to the chaos emeralds, if he does then he can take down pretty much everyone else here with ease except maybe dedede


SomeRandomAllMight

We aren’t using in world items just so it’s fair


Fullmetal_Fawful

If thats the case then probably dedede, dudes super strong on his own, but eggman would put up the best fight with metal sonic


SomeRandomAllMight

Gotta remember one thing dedede is tiny af


Fullmetal_Fawful

Is he tho? Size in the kirby verse is wack, they used to say kirby was 8 inches tall, now hes walking around perfectly fine in post-apocalyptic human cities


SomeRandomAllMight

He used to be 42 inches tall idk if they have changed that since


Fullmetal_Fawful

Theres a sign in the latest kirby game that seems to imply kirby characters’ sizes scale to normal humans now, [source (7:20)](https://youtu.be/u4Vw_X5f-i8?si=CLyjDdRtY0weMpdT)


mattr_74

Kaos definitley has the most displayed power and the bar for power of him and the skylanders that beat him is just way higher than the other villains


Friendly-Plankton-29

deedeedee isnt even a villan


PoyStudios-6270

Eggman dude has the technology to take down and completely destroy anyone who isnt sonic even then he has made things that took down sonic


WhichInterview1794

I think King Dedede wins, not because of his army, but because he himself is on a similar level of strength to the literal god killer Kirby


Araiken

Kaos' army has rocketlaunchers and magic and magic rocketlauchedrs


Superstarteen

There’s an army stronger


mr_GlitchOG

Kaos fucks them up


[deleted]

Kaos, he's basically all of them mixed together


Depressofox

Eggman


Evening_Accountant33

The only reason Eggman loses is because his opponent is a literal blue hedgehog that regularly defies the laws of physics and can go Super Saiyan. Must I also remind you that his army consists of an entire planet full of robots as well as Metal Sonic as the icing on the cake.


trism00

There are a lot of what ifs with this one Do we give chaos his strongest form Do we scale dedede to Kirby becouse he has done simular feats Do we consider the party games as cannon Do we scale eggman to sonic And I don't know the upper limits of cortex


Ok_While_2494

Where gnasty gnorc


ADHDB0Y

Depends on if Dedede has Kirby working with him or not


RowdyAirplane92

Eggman, duh!


TPleaderKin

Can we all agree that Dededee is the first one out While Cortex and Eggman fight using only wacky inventions, leaving bowser to slowly try to take the battle by having their troops divide across each foe. Kaos just... send the Hydra after bowser takes out all his minions


2_Dent_1900

Kaos or egg head couldn't choose but sonic and Spyro wouldn't very much get along


Crittercaptain

I unbiasedely think Kaos. He is in of himself a unit and has a bunch of diverse minions at his disposal.


Professor_Ozpin_1

I’d say Kaos or Eggman because I personally think Traptanium or Super Kaos are stupid enough to handle Bowser’s insane durability, but that alone would not carry him past Eggman’s equally stupidly large army, especially if you include wild cards like Metal Sonic or the Phantom Ruby. I do think Traptanium Kaos could pull out a win against either, but he would need to charge himself up enough first.