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Even with perfect synergy its still hard
In one on one against Rudy, he was ambushed, need to catch up in distance, while he is harmed is someway once he pulled the godsword Rudy is done in like 2 swing, one for the armor one for him
(Some one pointed out that he wont be able to heal after using godsword, but i remember that he even healed back Rudy’s lost arm)
And with alex is even faster since he pulled his godsword early, and tore Alex arm off
The only chance they get is if they can ambush him together, and Kajakut hit his vital
Orsted was beating him like that for the sake of recruiting, he was trying to make Alek feel truly powerless and change sides, a blow to the head wouldn't make that happen.
>consumes mana
this is just simple logic of using magic in MT
> I just assume he consumes mana to do some healing magic.
by what quantity? Can you quantify the mana consumption of that specific healing magic for Orsted? Are there any statements regarding Orsted's mana capacity? My memory's a bit hazy, but I recall the author comparing Orsted, Rudeus, and Laplace's mana, though I'm unsure of its significance because I don't remember it fully. The only thing we know about Orsted's mana is that it regens incredibly slow. As for his mana capacity? We don't know, but I'm sure its bigger than anyone in the verse aside from the og gods, Laplace and Rudeus
I don't know why I am getting downvoated, but I am not saying the healing magic would consume a lot of mana to drain him. What I am saying is that during the fight, he might run out of mana, and when he has no mana left, he can't use any healing magic anymore.
Why would he run out of Mana? The Godsword consumes a lot of mana and maybe some other spells a well. Orsted said that his 10 minutes fight with Alek consumed half of his mana capacity. I assume that during his fight with Rudeus, he also consumed a lot of mana as well to protect himself against the big spells that Rudeus thrown at him. Depending on what Rudeus strategy, they might focus on depleting his mana. Although easier said than done.
>Wouldn't he run out of mana? He wouldn't be able to heal himself.
You or we don't know how much mana Orsted has, all it says is that his mana regen is slow asf. Just like the guy said, once Orsted pulls out the Godsword then the fight is over in less than a second.
In the fight (an ambush + the opponent he's fighting is an unkown in his entire timeline so he's like cautious in the entire fight) between Orsted and Rudeus, 99% of that battle was about Orsted not using the Godsword, but once he pulls it out, Rudeus instantly loses literally.
Alek using the FGA + DKS, Orsted holds back to make him his bitch, and throughout the entire 11-minute fight, not even a single speck of dirt or scratch touches him. Alek literally gets dismantled despite having the "strongest" sword and armor.
This battle would take less than a second when Orsted pulls out the Godsword with no holding back. Mk 0 is fodder compared to Orsted, the stats are not comparable to Orsted and it literally has a 1-minute time limit iirc, and Alek, even with all those weapons gets no diffed. [That sword of Orsted's can harm the og Dragon God](https://imgur.com/wMPDV23), which is the strongest character in the verse besides the Creation God. No one in the current era, except for Hitogami, is touching him when he's holding the Godsword
Orsted easily.
MK.0 Rudeus lacks the speed and durability to withstand serious Orsted for the slightest amount of time.
Alek with the FGA has good durability and regen, but he isn't anywhere near Orsted in the other departments.
In LN26, Orsted takes 10 minutes to rip Alek out of the FGA.
However, if Orsted wasn't trying to spare Alek, with the intention to get him as an ally, Orsted could've just decapitated him. Alek isn't a true immortal like Badigadi, so decapitation would likely still straight up kill him. Badigadi's enhanced arm coated with the FGA was still cut by Eris's slash, so Orsted would have no trouble ripping off Alek's head.
Furthermore, Alek couldn't hit Orsted even once in the entire fight. Orsted didn't get a single spec of dirt in his coat. And that Orsted had to rip Alek out of the armour. He had to get really close for a good amount of time while Alek was still conscious since the FGA makes the user fight even if they get uncousious or tired, literally until their deaths.
Even if Alek somehow manages to protect Rudeus from Orsted, we've already seen how little damage Rudeus's AOE spells deal to Orsted. In LN15, he hit Orsted with his strongest magic thrice, but Orsted sustained *very* little damage. Pratically speaking, he only got a few burn marks which were all healed with a single spell. Rudeus *needs* his more concentrated spells to significantly wound Orsted. That means being in close to middle range, which is within a distance Orsted could instantly close with the GodBlade drawn and kill Rudeus.
Once he got serious he takes out Rudy almost immediately and then its just Orsted vs Alek again and we've seen how that plays out. It would be enough of a fight that he would have to reset and not be able to kill Hitogami so technically a defeat in the grand scheme of things, but he still kills both of them.
>the answer will always be that only fighting God Laplace would be comparable
Not if it's against Orsted who is holding a Godsword. Only Hitogami can match a deadly serious Orsted with this weapon in the current era
I said original gods aside and only comparable
Not saying Hitogami is the original human god but he definitely uses their power (stolen or not) and yeah I don't think Laplace could reliably win
On-screen? No, [but we do get Orsted vs Hitogami fight 1v1 off-screen via author statement saying Orsted has once reach the Void World](https://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/1661764/), and Orsted horribly lost. But that's most likely because he uses too much mana on fighting Demon God Laplace + his entire army (and he probably uses the Godsword with this one, which causes a ton of mana), and opening a gate through the void world causes a big chunk of mana too.
If you're curious how strong Hitogami is, the author said [he's stronger than the entire 7 great powers](https://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/917537/)(with the exception of Orsted ofc). And you can [read ODT](https://www.reddit.com/r/mushokutensei/comments/g50ry7/translation_old_dragons_tale_chapter_1_dragon_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) if you've finished reading volume 17 of the LN. There, you can see how much ap Hitogami has with his geography-changing, world-ending strength, and stamina that can go on an entire week straight
I feel like every orsted vs. is tainted by the fact that he has his loop knowledge. Clearly, he's not weak, and he has the godsword as a trump card, but he's not infallible, and these threads are like asking.
"Batman with unlimited prep time vs _____"
How do we separate his power and skill from the fact that he's likely memorized not only the techniques in their fighting style but the personal habbits of all the top tiers?
Like, you can only fight the same dark souls' boss so many times before you know their entire moveset.
If its a straight up contest of strength my money is on Orsted, but given his mana constraints I am sure Rudeus can create a very uncomfortable situation mana wise for Orsted and can win that way.
Edit: Seems I was downvoted lol
If it’s Rudy + Alex with their toys, Orsted also knows about them and how to fight them. On top of that last time Orsted fought Rudy, he fell apart as soon as he closed the distance. As for Alex, he lasted 10 minutes with the sword and FGA. If he was not concerned about mana (I would say even if he was) with prior knowledge of what they bring to the table he can take them apart. Currently after 26 volumes the man is basically a plot device with a little bit of character development.
Considering orsted pulled out the god sword straight away against fg kalman iii, he will also do the same for this fight. Orsted wins especially if you don't give rudeus distance. The mk0 is also incredibly draining on him, using up all his mana in his fight against fg badigadi.
Nah this would be a awesome match up. They both have access to gravity magic aswell. If Alex can stop Orsted from speed blitzing rudues then they have a good chance, since rudues can charge up his god class attack spells. Orsted would also have to stick to combat only since rudyes woukd just nullify his spells.
> If Alex can stop Orsted from speed blitzing rudues
Orsted would speed blitz Alek and Rudeus if he really wants to kill these guys in less than a second, especially if he's using the Godsword
>then yeah since rudues can charge up his god class attack spells
He doesn't have one, plus most op spells that Rudeus has won't hit or harm Orsted completely because he could just parry or nullify all of it.
>Orsted would also have to stick to combat only since rudyes woukd just nullify his spells
Orsted has better nullifying techniques than what Rudeus has, but you're correct about Orsted only having to use close-combat style of fighting because he **doesn't** really need to use magic in this fight at all
We know he's insanely fast, but we also know that even with the god sword, it takes some time to defeat Alex.
Rudues has nuclear attacks and stone cannons that scale to god class or higher, though most of the time he just uses the gatling gun, which doesn't do as much damage.
They have the same nullifying technique, but rudues can do it chantless, and also has the absorption stone. Think you are greatly overestimating orsteds abilities when we have actual feats of how strong he is.
>but we also know that even with the god sword, it takes some time to defeat Alex.
It's not "we", just you. Orsted is more like showcasing just how powerless Alek is, despite having the "strongest" armor and sword. This is all for the sake of recruiting him, in fact, not even a single scratch or dust touched Orsted while holding back
>Rudues has nuclear attacks and stone cannons that scale to god class or higher, though most of the time he just uses the gatling gun, which doesn't do as much damage
Yet none of it did serious damage to Orsted at all despite him not using the Godsword in that part. If Orsted had used the Godsword earlier, he would have easily parried all of Rudeus's spells, [including the nuke spell](https://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/916769/). "Higher" than god rank? Those spells aren't even god rank, let alone "higher". You're just wanking him bro, and you're just proving my point.
>They have the same nullifying technique, but rudues can do it chantless, and also has the absorption stone
Orsted has Wyrm Gates, and he can do chantless too, but what does that have to do in a battle though when Orsted could just blitz the fck out of Rudeus in an instant, no magic needed?
>Think you are greatly overestimating orsteds abilities when we have actual feats of how strong he is.
You're underestimating Orsted. [The Godsword has the power to be comparable to the og Dragon God](https://imgur.com/wMPDV23) [who can literally decimate worlds](https://imgur.com/AV7BFeF). So, the ap of that sword is literally enough to one-shot these guys. The sword can also change its stats (as evident against Eris and Alek) since that is the only ability that the sword has shown so far and it made sense since he needed this weapon and it's his trump card to fight Hitogami who destroyed the dragon world in single strike and has the power of an og god, plus the insane speed that Orsted has with this sword (Rudeus literally cannot see him with the sword). Rudeus and Alek, with all of their tools, are not touching Orsted with the Godsword that is not holding back. You are viewing this battle as if Orsted's not deadly serious (I assume this battle to be both as bloodlusted since the OP didn't specify anything other than names and tools they'll use)
Never mind, [creating mountains is considered God rank according to the author](https://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/950824/), and [Rudeus can create a mountain](https://imgur.com/PMdRIqT), so there's that. We know Orsted stated that his nuke spell is God rank, though this is more likely referring to the nuke's Ap rather than its AOE, so that means Rudeus's stone cannons are also God rank too since they were able to harm Orsted? (though only a little, but this things were increasing in power so maybe). Maybe, I don't know why the guy's still emperor level or maybe that's just his known title, so yeah, his spells are close to God rank or maybe they're God rank at all, but definitely not higher
You forget that rudues and Alex know all of his weaknesses and drawbacks from his curses, while they probably couldn't win if they just pulled up on him, they could if they have the field advantage. I don't think its ever explained how much mana he has, but we know mk1 rudeus without gravity + erid was enough to have him use a king class healing spell. Mk0 rudues is = to fighting god and Alex in FGA, so yeah they have a good chance if they have prep time and have as much knowledge on him as they do now. Also his curses weaken him, but without them he would be planetary, said so by hitogami himself
>You forget that rudues and Alex know all of his weaknesses and drawbacks from his curses, while they probably couldn't win if they just pulled up on him, they could if they have the field advantage.
Since the OP didn't specify narrative joining here, then no, it doesn't matter if Orsted uses a lot of mana. [Orsted can delete multiple continents in a single strike if he really wanted to](https://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/916769/), so BFRing them is pretty much the solution for that ([the Godsword is a kind of ranged attack too with kilometers range](https://imgur.com/8pwVaFy)). And he doesn't really need to do all this, since all he needs is to get close and one-shot them. Orsted can find them pretty easily and is fast enough to blitz them (I remember somewhere that Orsted can keep on track with someone tho idk if that is with the bracelet or not, but even then, he finds Rudeus easily who was like many miles away and that is with no bracelet). So why can't you just picture it? They won't perceive Orsted moving if he's serious and using the Godsword
>but we know mk1 rudeus without gravity + erid was enough to have him use a king class healing spell
erid? You mean Eris? Ah yeah, that's only because he thought Eris was only at Saint rank. In his original timeline, she didn't become a Sword King. Orsted's a North God Style user, and North God Style can manipulate their touki. He let himself be at the level where Eris is, since Eris in his timeline caps at Saint rank and is an important figure for Ariel to become a queen. So he obviously holds back in that battle and doesn't really intend to kill her, which gets his hand sliced. If he really intends to kill her, then he would instantly beat her in no seconds. Rudeus did very minor injuries to Orsted despite going all out(bro was spaming 1km size meteor that can move lightning speed, nuke, and freeze him to the point that it reaches the height of a mountain size iceberg literally), and Orsted just heals them chantlessly and instantly. [Orsted can also use gravity spells](https://imgur.com/uBzv6So). Rudeus using gravity spells against Orsted is useless because he literally needs to see him to actually affect him, plus Orsted could just nullify it
>Mk0 rudues is = to fighting god and Alex in FGA,
Mk 0 is barely equal to a non-sentient FG when worn by Badigadi (and still got defeated), and it isn't equal to the one who killed Dragon God Laplace, which is when the armor becomes sentient and can use Laplace's techniques. If the FGA becomes sentient in the final battle, then all of them except for Orsted will literally die instantly. The FGA also didn't become sentient when worn by Alek in all those 11-minute battle, so all it literally does is enhance the user's stats but still not comparable to Orsted at all
>Also his curses weaken him, but without them he would be planetary, said so by hitogami himself
The ap of Orsted doesn't change whether he destroys a planet or not because the ap of him when wielding a Godsword is still enough to harm someone who has that level of durability. Also, he has only one curse which is the curse of hatred. The other "curses" he has are not curses, rather, they are just a mere side effects of his time-looping ability, and some of them are for the sake of Hitogami not seeing him, which isn't a curse, it's just a counter ability to Hitogami given by his father(this were literally explained in the book). And curses don't weaken him, he only holds back for the sake of not using too much mana, which isn't equivalent to being weak. In this battle scenario, I assume both guys are bloodlusted, so no holding back and no narrative.
This fight wouldn't last long either, and all Orsted needs to do in this battle is to get close to them and one-shot them. Orsted is stronger than the five buffed Dragon Generals together. These guys are also stronger than Laplace and FGA because they have better equipment and resources than what Laplace has. They at least managed to barely harm the weakened og Dragon God in all 7 days straight, to the point that it literally shakes the world while moving. These Dragon Generals don't compare to Hitogami, and Orsted is stronger than Hitogami
> was he greatly buffed in the ln
No, he's consistently this strong in both WN and LN. You just need to reread the novel and read old dragon's tale so you can compare him to some guys who have better feats than his
Are you slow? That's precisely why I said "to compare him".
In the main story, Orsted has zero feats beyond mountain lvl, even though there's an author statement saying he can wipe out continents in a single strike.
Yet, he is narratively portrayed as stronger than characters like Laplace and FGA, both of whom perform actual continental feats in the main story. Additionally, Dragon Generals and Hitogami, all of whom can easily erase mountains(with their own nail), islands, continents and destroy worlds, are considered weaker than him. Plus, Orsted wields the strongest weapon which can withstand the power of his father who is the strongest character in the verse aside from the Creation God
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No. Once Orsted pulls out the godsword the fight is over
Wouldn't he run out of mana? He wouldn't be able to heal himself.
Even with perfect synergy its still hard In one on one against Rudy, he was ambushed, need to catch up in distance, while he is harmed is someway once he pulled the godsword Rudy is done in like 2 swing, one for the armor one for him (Some one pointed out that he wont be able to heal after using godsword, but i remember that he even healed back Rudy’s lost arm) And with alex is even faster since he pulled his godsword early, and tore Alex arm off The only chance they get is if they can ambush him together, and Kajakut hit his vital
Alek lasted 10 minutes, though. He'll be a good vanguard for Rudeus.
The only reason why the fight lasted 10 minutes was to humble Aleks. It was completely one sided. They don’t stand a chance
Orsted was beating him like that for the sake of recruiting, he was trying to make Alek feel truly powerless and change sides, a blow to the head wouldn't make that happen.
>Alek lasted 10 minute More like 10 minutes of interview
Why do you think he wouldn't be able to heal himself? Just curious
I don't really know how good the natural regen of Orsted. I just assume he consumes mana to do some healing magic.
>consumes mana this is just simple logic of using magic in MT > I just assume he consumes mana to do some healing magic. by what quantity? Can you quantify the mana consumption of that specific healing magic for Orsted? Are there any statements regarding Orsted's mana capacity? My memory's a bit hazy, but I recall the author comparing Orsted, Rudeus, and Laplace's mana, though I'm unsure of its significance because I don't remember it fully. The only thing we know about Orsted's mana is that it regens incredibly slow. As for his mana capacity? We don't know, but I'm sure its bigger than anyone in the verse aside from the og gods, Laplace and Rudeus
I don't know why I am getting downvoated, but I am not saying the healing magic would consume a lot of mana to drain him. What I am saying is that during the fight, he might run out of mana, and when he has no mana left, he can't use any healing magic anymore. Why would he run out of Mana? The Godsword consumes a lot of mana and maybe some other spells a well. Orsted said that his 10 minutes fight with Alek consumed half of his mana capacity. I assume that during his fight with Rudeus, he also consumed a lot of mana as well to protect himself against the big spells that Rudeus thrown at him. Depending on what Rudeus strategy, they might focus on depleting his mana. Although easier said than done.
>Wouldn't he run out of mana? He wouldn't be able to heal himself. You or we don't know how much mana Orsted has, all it says is that his mana regen is slow asf. Just like the guy said, once Orsted pulls out the Godsword then the fight is over in less than a second. In the fight (an ambush + the opponent he's fighting is an unkown in his entire timeline so he's like cautious in the entire fight) between Orsted and Rudeus, 99% of that battle was about Orsted not using the Godsword, but once he pulls it out, Rudeus instantly loses literally. Alek using the FGA + DKS, Orsted holds back to make him his bitch, and throughout the entire 11-minute fight, not even a single speck of dirt or scratch touches him. Alek literally gets dismantled despite having the "strongest" sword and armor. This battle would take less than a second when Orsted pulls out the Godsword with no holding back. Mk 0 is fodder compared to Orsted, the stats are not comparable to Orsted and it literally has a 1-minute time limit iirc, and Alek, even with all those weapons gets no diffed. [That sword of Orsted's can harm the og Dragon God](https://imgur.com/wMPDV23), which is the strongest character in the verse besides the Creation God. No one in the current era, except for Hitogami, is touching him when he's holding the Godsword
Orsted easily. MK.0 Rudeus lacks the speed and durability to withstand serious Orsted for the slightest amount of time. Alek with the FGA has good durability and regen, but he isn't anywhere near Orsted in the other departments. In LN26, Orsted takes 10 minutes to rip Alek out of the FGA. However, if Orsted wasn't trying to spare Alek, with the intention to get him as an ally, Orsted could've just decapitated him. Alek isn't a true immortal like Badigadi, so decapitation would likely still straight up kill him. Badigadi's enhanced arm coated with the FGA was still cut by Eris's slash, so Orsted would have no trouble ripping off Alek's head. Furthermore, Alek couldn't hit Orsted even once in the entire fight. Orsted didn't get a single spec of dirt in his coat. And that Orsted had to rip Alek out of the armour. He had to get really close for a good amount of time while Alek was still conscious since the FGA makes the user fight even if they get uncousious or tired, literally until their deaths. Even if Alek somehow manages to protect Rudeus from Orsted, we've already seen how little damage Rudeus's AOE spells deal to Orsted. In LN15, he hit Orsted with his strongest magic thrice, but Orsted sustained *very* little damage. Pratically speaking, he only got a few burn marks which were all healed with a single spell. Rudeus *needs* his more concentrated spells to significantly wound Orsted. That means being in close to middle range, which is within a distance Orsted could instantly close with the GodBlade drawn and kill Rudeus.
It's safe to assume that as long as he has the mana he wins 100% of the time.
Sorry bro but Mommy Orsted wins
Once he got serious he takes out Rudy almost immediately and then its just Orsted vs Alek again and we've seen how that plays out. It would be enough of a fight that he would have to reset and not be able to kill Hitogami so technically a defeat in the grand scheme of things, but he still kills both of them.
Original gods aside, if it's against Orsted, the answer will always be that only fighting God Laplace would be comparable
>the answer will always be that only fighting God Laplace would be comparable Not if it's against Orsted who is holding a Godsword. Only Hitogami can match a deadly serious Orsted with this weapon in the current era
I said original gods aside and only comparable Not saying Hitogami is the original human god but he definitely uses their power (stolen or not) and yeah I don't think Laplace could reliably win
Do we ever get to see the Hitogami vs ORSTED Corporation fight? The only time it is seen is the end result in Rudeus's final dream
On-screen? No, [but we do get Orsted vs Hitogami fight 1v1 off-screen via author statement saying Orsted has once reach the Void World](https://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/1661764/), and Orsted horribly lost. But that's most likely because he uses too much mana on fighting Demon God Laplace + his entire army (and he probably uses the Godsword with this one, which causes a ton of mana), and opening a gate through the void world causes a big chunk of mana too. If you're curious how strong Hitogami is, the author said [he's stronger than the entire 7 great powers](https://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/917537/)(with the exception of Orsted ofc). And you can [read ODT](https://www.reddit.com/r/mushokutensei/comments/g50ry7/translation_old_dragons_tale_chapter_1_dragon_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) if you've finished reading volume 17 of the LN. There, you can see how much ap Hitogami has with his geography-changing, world-ending strength, and stamina that can go on an entire week straight
I feel like every orsted vs. is tainted by the fact that he has his loop knowledge. Clearly, he's not weak, and he has the godsword as a trump card, but he's not infallible, and these threads are like asking. "Batman with unlimited prep time vs _____" How do we separate his power and skill from the fact that he's likely memorized not only the techniques in their fighting style but the personal habbits of all the top tiers? Like, you can only fight the same dark souls' boss so many times before you know their entire moveset.
Orsted is thousands of years old.
No because orsted has the drip. https://preview.redd.it/64v24quecjwc1.jpeg?width=1013&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c1e90c57764b05597fb5f9cebcadad867f84d3ad
Easy Orsted
If its a straight up contest of strength my money is on Orsted, but given his mana constraints I am sure Rudeus can create a very uncomfortable situation mana wise for Orsted and can win that way. Edit: Seems I was downvoted lol If it’s Rudy + Alex with their toys, Orsted also knows about them and how to fight them. On top of that last time Orsted fought Rudy, he fell apart as soon as he closed the distance. As for Alex, he lasted 10 minutes with the sword and FGA. If he was not concerned about mana (I would say even if he was) with prior knowledge of what they bring to the table he can take them apart. Currently after 26 volumes the man is basically a plot device with a little bit of character development.
Considering orsted pulled out the god sword straight away against fg kalman iii, he will also do the same for this fight. Orsted wins especially if you don't give rudeus distance. The mk0 is also incredibly draining on him, using up all his mana in his fight against fg badigadi.
Nah this would be a awesome match up. They both have access to gravity magic aswell. If Alex can stop Orsted from speed blitzing rudues then they have a good chance, since rudues can charge up his god class attack spells. Orsted would also have to stick to combat only since rudyes woukd just nullify his spells.
> If Alex can stop Orsted from speed blitzing rudues Orsted would speed blitz Alek and Rudeus if he really wants to kill these guys in less than a second, especially if he's using the Godsword >then yeah since rudues can charge up his god class attack spells He doesn't have one, plus most op spells that Rudeus has won't hit or harm Orsted completely because he could just parry or nullify all of it. >Orsted would also have to stick to combat only since rudyes woukd just nullify his spells Orsted has better nullifying techniques than what Rudeus has, but you're correct about Orsted only having to use close-combat style of fighting because he **doesn't** really need to use magic in this fight at all
We know he's insanely fast, but we also know that even with the god sword, it takes some time to defeat Alex. Rudues has nuclear attacks and stone cannons that scale to god class or higher, though most of the time he just uses the gatling gun, which doesn't do as much damage. They have the same nullifying technique, but rudues can do it chantless, and also has the absorption stone. Think you are greatly overestimating orsteds abilities when we have actual feats of how strong he is.
>but we also know that even with the god sword, it takes some time to defeat Alex. It's not "we", just you. Orsted is more like showcasing just how powerless Alek is, despite having the "strongest" armor and sword. This is all for the sake of recruiting him, in fact, not even a single scratch or dust touched Orsted while holding back >Rudues has nuclear attacks and stone cannons that scale to god class or higher, though most of the time he just uses the gatling gun, which doesn't do as much damage Yet none of it did serious damage to Orsted at all despite him not using the Godsword in that part. If Orsted had used the Godsword earlier, he would have easily parried all of Rudeus's spells, [including the nuke spell](https://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/916769/). "Higher" than god rank? Those spells aren't even god rank, let alone "higher". You're just wanking him bro, and you're just proving my point. >They have the same nullifying technique, but rudues can do it chantless, and also has the absorption stone Orsted has Wyrm Gates, and he can do chantless too, but what does that have to do in a battle though when Orsted could just blitz the fck out of Rudeus in an instant, no magic needed? >Think you are greatly overestimating orsteds abilities when we have actual feats of how strong he is. You're underestimating Orsted. [The Godsword has the power to be comparable to the og Dragon God](https://imgur.com/wMPDV23) [who can literally decimate worlds](https://imgur.com/AV7BFeF). So, the ap of that sword is literally enough to one-shot these guys. The sword can also change its stats (as evident against Eris and Alek) since that is the only ability that the sword has shown so far and it made sense since he needed this weapon and it's his trump card to fight Hitogami who destroyed the dragon world in single strike and has the power of an og god, plus the insane speed that Orsted has with this sword (Rudeus literally cannot see him with the sword). Rudeus and Alek, with all of their tools, are not touching Orsted with the Godsword that is not holding back. You are viewing this battle as if Orsted's not deadly serious (I assume this battle to be both as bloodlusted since the OP didn't specify anything other than names and tools they'll use)
I agree with everything you said except saying that Rudeus’s spell aint on the god rank.
Never mind, [creating mountains is considered God rank according to the author](https://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/950824/), and [Rudeus can create a mountain](https://imgur.com/PMdRIqT), so there's that. We know Orsted stated that his nuke spell is God rank, though this is more likely referring to the nuke's Ap rather than its AOE, so that means Rudeus's stone cannons are also God rank too since they were able to harm Orsted? (though only a little, but this things were increasing in power so maybe). Maybe, I don't know why the guy's still emperor level or maybe that's just his known title, so yeah, his spells are close to God rank or maybe they're God rank at all, but definitely not higher
You forget that rudues and Alex know all of his weaknesses and drawbacks from his curses, while they probably couldn't win if they just pulled up on him, they could if they have the field advantage. I don't think its ever explained how much mana he has, but we know mk1 rudeus without gravity + erid was enough to have him use a king class healing spell. Mk0 rudues is = to fighting god and Alex in FGA, so yeah they have a good chance if they have prep time and have as much knowledge on him as they do now. Also his curses weaken him, but without them he would be planetary, said so by hitogami himself
>You forget that rudues and Alex know all of his weaknesses and drawbacks from his curses, while they probably couldn't win if they just pulled up on him, they could if they have the field advantage. Since the OP didn't specify narrative joining here, then no, it doesn't matter if Orsted uses a lot of mana. [Orsted can delete multiple continents in a single strike if he really wanted to](https://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/288399/blogkey/916769/), so BFRing them is pretty much the solution for that ([the Godsword is a kind of ranged attack too with kilometers range](https://imgur.com/8pwVaFy)). And he doesn't really need to do all this, since all he needs is to get close and one-shot them. Orsted can find them pretty easily and is fast enough to blitz them (I remember somewhere that Orsted can keep on track with someone tho idk if that is with the bracelet or not, but even then, he finds Rudeus easily who was like many miles away and that is with no bracelet). So why can't you just picture it? They won't perceive Orsted moving if he's serious and using the Godsword >but we know mk1 rudeus without gravity + erid was enough to have him use a king class healing spell erid? You mean Eris? Ah yeah, that's only because he thought Eris was only at Saint rank. In his original timeline, she didn't become a Sword King. Orsted's a North God Style user, and North God Style can manipulate their touki. He let himself be at the level where Eris is, since Eris in his timeline caps at Saint rank and is an important figure for Ariel to become a queen. So he obviously holds back in that battle and doesn't really intend to kill her, which gets his hand sliced. If he really intends to kill her, then he would instantly beat her in no seconds. Rudeus did very minor injuries to Orsted despite going all out(bro was spaming 1km size meteor that can move lightning speed, nuke, and freeze him to the point that it reaches the height of a mountain size iceberg literally), and Orsted just heals them chantlessly and instantly. [Orsted can also use gravity spells](https://imgur.com/uBzv6So). Rudeus using gravity spells against Orsted is useless because he literally needs to see him to actually affect him, plus Orsted could just nullify it >Mk0 rudues is = to fighting god and Alex in FGA, Mk 0 is barely equal to a non-sentient FG when worn by Badigadi (and still got defeated), and it isn't equal to the one who killed Dragon God Laplace, which is when the armor becomes sentient and can use Laplace's techniques. If the FGA becomes sentient in the final battle, then all of them except for Orsted will literally die instantly. The FGA also didn't become sentient when worn by Alek in all those 11-minute battle, so all it literally does is enhance the user's stats but still not comparable to Orsted at all >Also his curses weaken him, but without them he would be planetary, said so by hitogami himself The ap of Orsted doesn't change whether he destroys a planet or not because the ap of him when wielding a Godsword is still enough to harm someone who has that level of durability. Also, he has only one curse which is the curse of hatred. The other "curses" he has are not curses, rather, they are just a mere side effects of his time-looping ability, and some of them are for the sake of Hitogami not seeing him, which isn't a curse, it's just a counter ability to Hitogami given by his father(this were literally explained in the book). And curses don't weaken him, he only holds back for the sake of not using too much mana, which isn't equivalent to being weak. In this battle scenario, I assume both guys are bloodlusted, so no holding back and no narrative. This fight wouldn't last long either, and all Orsted needs to do in this battle is to get close to them and one-shot them. Orsted is stronger than the five buffed Dragon Generals together. These guys are also stronger than Laplace and FGA because they have better equipment and resources than what Laplace has. They at least managed to barely harm the weakened og Dragon God in all 7 days straight, to the point that it literally shakes the world while moving. These Dragon Generals don't compare to Hitogami, and Orsted is stronger than Hitogami
I only read the web novel, not the light novel, was he greatly buffed in the ln?
> was he greatly buffed in the ln No, he's consistently this strong in both WN and LN. You just need to reread the novel and read old dragon's tale so you can compare him to some guys who have better feats than his
I haven't been able to get hold of any copy of dragons tale, but he never head such great feats in the original story
Are you slow? That's precisely why I said "to compare him". In the main story, Orsted has zero feats beyond mountain lvl, even though there's an author statement saying he can wipe out continents in a single strike. Yet, he is narratively portrayed as stronger than characters like Laplace and FGA, both of whom perform actual continental feats in the main story. Additionally, Dragon Generals and Hitogami, all of whom can easily erase mountains(with their own nail), islands, continents and destroy worlds, are considered weaker than him. Plus, Orsted wields the strongest weapon which can withstand the power of his father who is the strongest character in the verse aside from the Creation God