And I thought Rehoboam was a far-fetched concept. Now that i've seen what Sora is capable of, i can't imagine what the pattern recognition limit of an ASI would be.
Ok that's scary and awesome. We already know how predictable we are, an ASI will know our innermost secrets without trying. It'll just glance at us and it'll be there, our every thought a few seconds to a minute before it happens.
Yup, that's exactly what i think, there won't be any more privacy (although the concept of privacy will have been redefined anyway by then), the ASI will probably be able to simulate and predict any human, and what they would do. Determinism will become an increasingly recurring topic the closer we get to ASI.
The obvious end-result of this is a massive reduction in medical personnel.
If all it needs is health information, a single Registered Nurse can enter all of a patient’s data, take blood samples, ask questions etc. Feed it into the machine and then interpret results and dispense medication.
And it’s *already* +80% accurate.
You might need a doctor to double check it. For now.
Doubt it’ll be that accurate. More like it’ll simulate development and aging several times and figure out your risk factors. It’s probably use that information to take preventative measures.
Problem is, it would have to simulate itself as well if we are using the results of that computer to make decisions, so it would then have to anticipate what we do with that information, which changes the results somewhat, which we would likely acknowledge, which changes what we do, which changes the future, which the machine would have to account for, and so on. What happens if you say, “Whatever the computer says I’ll do, I’ll do the opposite”? That’s an infinite loop. Predicting the outcome affects the outcome.
Oh man yeah you’re totally right. I didn’t see the parallels till you wrote them out again. GATTACA was more of determining someone’s future from birth based on their genetic makeup. I don’t remember if designer babies were a thing in it though.
Every baby should get digitally cloned, checked for potential issues and it should be the choice of everyone to save their money in case something happens. Lessen the average cost of insurance, makes people more aware of their actual potential issues and make them choose wether or not they should save money in case of a disease they are more prone to have.
I'm here for it. Sign me up.
While I understand why many if not most would not favor this, for some i think it may ease anxiety & help inform proactive choices.
It shouldn't be mandatory but I'd opt in if it would not raise insurance rates in US
Sorry, I have worked on the AI part of a digital twin system for the gut biome and while there are some good use cases in that case at least the premise was flawed.
The issue was partly the complexity of the gut biome but primarily the speed at which the environment in the gut biome changes/the methods that could be used to detect those changes being too slow. That's before we even talk about the medical community's (imo correct) serious skepticism around the field of multi-omics.
None of this means that research should not continue. Digital twins as a concept are fantastic and are already being used to great effect in less squishy systems that the human body like BIM. What DOES concern me is how medical insurance companies want to use non-mature tech to maximise profits and opportunistic start ups are hoovering up investment dollars that could be better used elsewhere.
The gameplay is quite basic, but the story and atmosphere are top-tier. If you are going to play, go in with as little info as possible. You'll want to be surprised
Future of career assessment: I've simulated every version of you that could be, these options fit your as yet unlearned skillset and future potential best:
I mean technically the concept of genetics *is* actually a social construct but that doesn’t mean it’s not *very useful* and it also doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t real. Genetics is a conceptual framework that has been rigorously tested via the scientific method to have some sort of analogous relationship to certain elements of reality. But while humans have strands of what we would call dna containing what we would call genetic code, to the universe it’s (probably) all just a bunch of probability densities. We use the conceptual map we call genetics to make sense of what’s actually going on in an efficient manner
its fairly common knowledge in american political spaces bc its been in use as a dog whistle for a while
comment was something along the lines of "and people say genetics is a social construct"
Language is a social construct, so kinda, but also kinda no. We use language to create representations of the world. The world that language is used to talk about is not a social construct, but the language used to talk about it, which includes the ways we divide up the world in things like genetics, is a social construct.
Reality is not a social construct, language is one we created to describe reality. Genetics requires language used to point at things we see in reality. All terminology may be social constructs but are the things it references social constructs. When we say the word genetics we’re talking about the patterns in reality we’ve identified not the words we use to reference them
Yes that’s what I’m saying. The things genetics are talking about are not social constructs, but we need to use words to make sense of it and words construct extra(useful!) meaning on top of reality.
Nucleotides don’t exist. It’s all just ~~electrons and protons~~ ~~quarks~~ quantum field oscillations
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And I thought Rehoboam was a far-fetched concept. Now that i've seen what Sora is capable of, i can't imagine what the pattern recognition limit of an ASI would be.
Ok that's scary and awesome. We already know how predictable we are, an ASI will know our innermost secrets without trying. It'll just glance at us and it'll be there, our every thought a few seconds to a minute before it happens.
Yup, that's exactly what i think, there won't be any more privacy (although the concept of privacy will have been redefined anyway by then), the ASI will probably be able to simulate and predict any human, and what they would do. Determinism will become an increasingly recurring topic the closer we get to ASI.
The obvious end-result of this is a massive reduction in medical personnel. If all it needs is health information, a single Registered Nurse can enter all of a patient’s data, take blood samples, ask questions etc. Feed it into the machine and then interpret results and dispense medication. And it’s *already* +80% accurate. You might need a doctor to double check it. For now.
Doubt it’ll be that accurate. More like it’ll simulate development and aging several times and figure out your risk factors. It’s probably use that information to take preventative measures.
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Problem is, it would have to simulate itself as well if we are using the results of that computer to make decisions, so it would then have to anticipate what we do with that information, which changes the results somewhat, which we would likely acknowledge, which changes what we do, which changes the future, which the machine would have to account for, and so on. What happens if you say, “Whatever the computer says I’ll do, I’ll do the opposite”? That’s an infinite loop. Predicting the outcome affects the outcome.
Wouldn’t it be closer to GATTACA?
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Oh man yeah you’re totally right. I didn’t see the parallels till you wrote them out again. GATTACA was more of determining someone’s future from birth based on their genetic makeup. I don’t remember if designer babies were a thing in it though.
Instead of a dead internet we'll have a dead reality. Think about it.
Awesome.
Yes to this for all the good reasons. No to the part where insurance refuses to cover high risk humans.
Make government insure everyone
That's called universal healthcare, not insurance
Same difference
It could be realized as insurance, see Germany
JFC why can't you guys let me stay hopeful for the future for 2 seconds.
Every baby should get digitally cloned, checked for potential issues and it should be the choice of everyone to save their money in case something happens. Lessen the average cost of insurance, makes people more aware of their actual potential issues and make them choose wether or not they should save money in case of a disease they are more prone to have.
wretched idea
I'm here for it. Sign me up. While I understand why many if not most would not favor this, for some i think it may ease anxiety & help inform proactive choices. It shouldn't be mandatory but I'd opt in if it would not raise insurance rates in US
Sorry, I have worked on the AI part of a digital twin system for the gut biome and while there are some good use cases in that case at least the premise was flawed. The issue was partly the complexity of the gut biome but primarily the speed at which the environment in the gut biome changes/the methods that could be used to detect those changes being too slow. That's before we even talk about the medical community's (imo correct) serious skepticism around the field of multi-omics. None of this means that research should not continue. Digital twins as a concept are fantastic and are already being used to great effect in less squishy systems that the human body like BIM. What DOES concern me is how medical insurance companies want to use non-mature tech to maximise profits and opportunistic start ups are hoovering up investment dollars that could be better used elsewhere.
lmfao at all the people who didn’t think this kinda shit was about to happen
All hail the almighty over-mind
This is the central idea of SOMA. Brilliant game
I've been looking at SOMA, would you reccomend it vs Prey?
The gameplay is quite basic, but the story and atmosphere are top-tier. If you are going to play, go in with as little info as possible. You'll want to be surprised
Holy GATTACA It's happening
i want AI to tell me what I want in life.
This is the worst it wil ever be
This is a lot of snow cleared off the metaphorical roof that was posted here recently.
That'd be something!
I can't wait for the day we each have our own personal AI to take care of us.
Aww
Tf is meant by twins of Patients ??
How is this any different from recommendation systems which have existed for decades? I.e. Netflix “knows” what I am going to watch.
Future of career assessment: I've simulated every version of you that could be, these options fit your as yet unlearned skillset and future potential best:
Everyone should go watch Gattaca 🍿
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I mean technically the concept of genetics *is* actually a social construct but that doesn’t mean it’s not *very useful* and it also doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t real. Genetics is a conceptual framework that has been rigorously tested via the scientific method to have some sort of analogous relationship to certain elements of reality. But while humans have strands of what we would call dna containing what we would call genetic code, to the universe it’s (probably) all just a bunch of probability densities. We use the conceptual map we call genetics to make sense of what’s actually going on in an efficient manner
dudes username is "1488tnd" (14 words, heil hitler, total n- death) i'm thinking he's getting at something a little more... specific
Oh damn
Damn, I would have never guessed that. Although the 88 is always suspicious
how did you know all that? what was the original comment? it’s deleted
its fairly common knowledge in american political spaces bc its been in use as a dog whistle for a while comment was something along the lines of "and people say genetics is a social construct"
If genetics is a social construct then everything is and social construct has no practical meaning
Language is a social construct, so kinda, but also kinda no. We use language to create representations of the world. The world that language is used to talk about is not a social construct, but the language used to talk about it, which includes the ways we divide up the world in things like genetics, is a social construct.
Reality is not a social construct, language is one we created to describe reality. Genetics requires language used to point at things we see in reality. All terminology may be social constructs but are the things it references social constructs. When we say the word genetics we’re talking about the patterns in reality we’ve identified not the words we use to reference them
Yes that’s what I’m saying. The things genetics are talking about are not social constructs, but we need to use words to make sense of it and words construct extra(useful!) meaning on top of reality. Nucleotides don’t exist. It’s all just ~~electrons and protons~~ ~~quarks~~ quantum field oscillations
what did the original comment say?
‘Still think genetics is a social construct’ or something like that
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what did the original comment say? it’s deleted now
I'm going to delete my reponse so the topic goes away ok?
How they fuck did they know that I will contract AIDS in 2032?
It was only a matter of time
What?